The Darkness steal the show!

It's a sad and shocking start to the week this week with the death of cricket legend David Hookes as the result of an altercation with a bouncer at a nightclub. 

In scientific news NASA lost contact with the Spirit rover as it's flash memory subsystem overloaded. Thanksfully they were able to try turning it off an on again to get things working. 

In tech Nintendo announce the release of the DS console in a sexy campaign that seemed very off brand for them.

In music news Twista releases Slow Jamz, with a little help from Kanye West and Jamie Foxx, Sia releases her third album, 'Colour the Small One' and The Darkness steal the show at the 2004 Big Day Out, which was headlined by Metallica. 

In movies, Ben Stiller releases his romantic comedy Along Came Polly starring Jennifer Anniston and in TV land 'THe L Word' debuts along with 'Carmen and Dave, Til Death Do us Part'.

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The year is 2004. Your polyphonic ringtone habit is sending you broke. George W Bush is sworn in for a second term, and in spite of everything going on, the most controversial thing is a wardrobe malfunction at the Super Bowl. T -, 20 rewind 20 years with Joe and Mel. 

Week, of, 18 January 2004. 

The rest is history. You know. 

What? I'm very forgetful. 

Stop trying to make fetch happen. 

What are we waiting? 

For it's harder than I thought it would be. 

My fellow Americans. Let's roll. 

Let's roll the second one for January 2004 in 2023, I know it's confusing, but let me explain the concept to you if you just ohh. 

In 2023. And this is 1. Of those years where you can't easily change the date when. You write the. Wrong one. We shouldn't. 

Be doing that so 18th of January. 

You can't turn the three into a. Four. So you're still 2023, hmm. 

I've just made a. Well, I shouldn't be, but I guess I did. I meant to say 2024. 

Because like 2027 to 2028, you can get away with cause you can turn the seven into an 8, but you can't turn the three. Into a four easily. So you're stuffed it. 

No, you gotta kind of really scribble over it. Yeah. Sorry, it's t -. 20, the podcast. This is the concept where we rewind. 

2025 into 2020. Six is also easy. 

Thanks. We rewind to this week. In history, 20 years ago with your hosts Joe and Mel. I'm Joe Mel's there. Hi, Mel. Anyway, yeah. An action packed episode for you this week. 

Hi. Hi. Well done. 

All that we have possible function surface strength of signal in the case we are bouncing on the surface of Mars. Have a green. This is a very good sign. 

We are bouncing on the surface of Mars. This is a very good sign. Not the only people off the planet today. In the podcast NASA, also with the Spirit Rover, we'll talk about that a little bit later on in the show. That's a bit. 

Weird. Do not touch my bottom rectangle waist. Hands off the bottom rectangle. What? 

That's the bottom rectangle. It's suggestive from Nintendo there. 

Ohh it's Nintendo. Wow. We'll talk about their bottom rectangle. 

Yeah, we'll be talking about that in our technology. So I mean, that's a really obnoxious grab too, that really, I'm sorry if you're listening about on your car stereo and I take no responsibility for any damage that has occurred to your speakers. 

I hurt my knees. 

We are the darkness and we are from the UK. 

Yeah, they hit the big day out stage this time 20 years ago. And of course they're doing the 20th anniversary tour of that particular album as well. So we'll talk all things big day out 2004 in this week's episode as well. 

Do you get that thing? 

Where when you're on. Holidays cause a lot of people still on holidays. School hasn't quite gone back. When you're the holidays, you just buy stuff and you don't feel as guilty as kind of like it doesn't like. I'm not talking big stuff like a house or a car. I'm talking snap pants on the iconic. That's when I bought the snap pants. It's kind of. 

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Irrational decisions. 

Between yeah, December and January, it's like. It doesn't matter. There's have to pay. And, umm, snap pants, whatever. 

Do you? 

Get that? I. Yeah, kind of. I spent a lot of money on Lotto tickets because I didn't wanna go back to work. 

And that worked really well for. 

You didn't. 

Yeah, well, here we are. 

I have some very exciting purchases. 

What did you buy? 

On the way. I have got. A Milli Vanilli all or nothing record and a Milli Vanilli all or nothing is. 

Oh yeah. 

Set so I'll preface this with. I have always loved Milli Vanilli like I. Loved them in the 80s and 90s when I used. To do swimming. Squad. That always. Play the album and I could hear it under the. Water and I just love them. I've got so many compilation cassettes with Milli Vanilli, but I've I never purchased their actual album and even after the scandal, I still liked them like Sydney and I when we go to do Sunday breakfast, we always play Willy nilly in the car. Lay it on the rain. Go, I'm. 

Is that right? 

Going to miss you. There's something there's something about Milli Vanilli. 

Can you can you stop doing that to our? 

Child, please, that'd be. 

No, no. There's something about Milli Vanilli and yes, I know I I fully understand the scandal. 

Yeah, they're charlatans. That's what's about them. 

That's the place. But the music I don't. There's just something about the music. I've always loved it and I still do. And then the other night, we watched the documentary I made you watch it. You didn't want to watch. The documentary I made you watch. 

Yes, I do feel like I had a gun held to my. 

The documentary we have to watch documentary. 

Head. Yeah. So it's like you need to watch this Milli Vanilli documentary or I'm never shaving my mouse mat again. Sorry. That's a throwback to last week's. 

Episode and then as a consequence, I'm like actually, I don't have the full album I have, I have Milli Vanilli songs on various records and cassettes. But I. Ever purchased the full album and then obviously when the lip synching scandal came out, you couldn't get it anymore because remember doing that. But like, you get your money back. People were burning them people. There was a thing. There was a thing here in Australia where you'd take. 

People were burning them. 

It back to brushes. Or whatever place you bought it from and you'd. 

Yeah. Zip rashes. Yep. 

Get a refund. Or you get an exchange. So I just never really got around to buying, so now I'm I'm eagerly awaiting the arrival, but. You watched the Doko under duress. 

Yes, yes. 

But then by. The end of. 

It your. 

Feelings have changed towards Milli Vanilli, haven't they? 

Ohh not my feelings. I don't claim to and I never will. Kind of like that music, but I feel bad for the two guys who had everything. It was just like ohh I guess for the record label. All care no responsibility. Like the people that produced those albums for those guys had done it before with Boney M and they did it again with Milli Vanilli and then they even did it again after that. And yet those two guys, because they were so. So pumped up by their label and a lot of cocaine thought they were invincible until they weren't, and they really went through a fair bit of crap afterwards. But I mean, having having said that, they also had the entire world at their feet as well and they lived a dream for a little while and you know. They've got a. Great story to tell. Well, one of them does. The other one's dead, so you know. But also you bought that on vinyl? And and where are you gonna play that? On my record player. Which? And you know what happens? You know what happens, ladies and gentlemen, when a man reaches his mid to late 40s and he has a bit of a midlife crisis and he buys a turntable and his wife tries to talk him out of it, and then all of a sudden we watch a Milli Vanilli. 

And your little flower? Yes. Is that OK? 

Documentary and and the world's changed. Ah yes it is and. 

Now it's my record player, yes. Well, I'm getting it on cassette as well because we did get to the cassette deck. Working, which is very exciting so. 

Yes, yes. We did. 

Or I can always play? It on cassette. 

In multiple formats, it's your record player. Excellent. Well, you can put it in your handbag with my balls as well if. 

I have got Mum 2 format. Very exciting. 

You like. That's a bit of a throwback. To them, when were they 90s? 

Late 80s, so I think it's like 8889 and then early 90s cause in America. I think the no it they started cause they're one guys German I think fab no Rob was. 

80s. Yeah. OK. Wasn't that bad? 

German no fab for Fabrizio. He was French, is French and he moved to Germany. And then they met. So they were released over in the UK. And the thought was, well, we could just do. We could just do this like no one's gonna know. And then they became big in America and it was girl. I'm going to miss you. But here in Australia. 

Ah, right. 

Wow, yes. 

I think. The first one was baby. Don't forget my number. Quick question. Right, so so say you are. Rob or fab? And you are working your whole life for superstardom. You're a break dancer. You can sing. OK, a bit of a DJ and then some record company is like, I'm going to give you 10 grand. To produce an album and then comes back and goes. Yeah, but you're gonna lip sync. Would you? 

Do it, no. 

I would 100% do it. I was watching that going. Yeah, I'd do that. I'd do that. I'd draw the line and nominating myself for a Grammy, cause I'd be like, no, that's a bit of a lie, but 100% up to that point, I'd be. Like. Sure, I'll lip sync. No problem. 

Well, they're ahead of their time really, I. Mean look at TikTok. 

That is so true. That is so true. 

Anyway, me if we didn't just try and do a segue, I'll do this again. That's the hardest thing to move on from ever. Stop talking about Willy nilly. That's like it's out of scope. 

Cannot wait for the record. OK, I'm done. I'm done. OK. 

It's not even within the. Parameters of 20 years ago. This is, though, hatches matches and dispatches the little clue that we do that we'll revisit at the end of the episode. It's a celebrity that was born. This time 20 years ago, that's. 

It's hard to watch you fall again, because now I have to play pretend, and it's basically like you're watching somebody that you have feelings for, for somebody else, and they don't know that you like them. Yeah. And so you're kind of like I. Don't like you? 

Yeah, I don't like that. I don't feel that. 

Way about you. But you do, yeah. 

But you do. Nobody in our demographic is gonna have any idea. 

I'm gonna say you've got no idea. Who that is? 

To you? Yes, well, you do, because you did the research. Yeah, I nobody in our demographics gonna know who that is. Do you wanna hear it? 

I do because I found them. But yes, I don't think you. 

Again, why? OK, sure. 

It's hard to watch you fall again, because now I have to play pretend, and it's basically like you're watching somebody that you have feelings for. Yeah, fall for somebody else and they don't know that you like them. Yeah. And so you're kind of like. I don't like you, yeah. I don't like that. I don't feel that way about you, but you do. 

Yeah, we'll find out who that is at. The end of the show. Over the news? Not a great news story, actually. A terrible news story taking place on the 19th of January in 2004. Very sad for cricket fans and just the human beings in general. It's just it's not a nice thing to have happen and it's just makes you wonder what kind of world we're living in. Really. Cricketer David Hooks dies after. A fight outside a pub in Melbourne. This was I remember this being plastered all over the news. A very tragic story. So David Hooks as a bit of background left handed batsman for Australia but played a significant role in Sheffield Shield cricket. 

Yeah, same. 

And he had a very successful career playing for teams like SA and Victoria, and he very briefly played for the Australian team. So 19th of January, he's the coach of Victoria at the time in 2004. He's at the Beaconsfield Hotel celebrating his team's one day match win over SA's hotel staff called last Drinks, and it's 11:30 at night. And the bouncers are asking the players to leave. So Hooks has a bit of an argument or an altercation with the bouncer, and he yells at him and then he's ejected from the pub and somewhere along the lines a confrontation happens outside the pub between David Hooks and a bouncer named Dracko Mitchell, which and the altercation. Escalates hooks gets punched by the bouncer, which causes him to fall and smash his head open on the pavement. 

He suffered severe head injuries and was taken to hospital in a critical condition and despite efforts to save him, he passed away the next day at the age of just 48. 

So Mitchell, which was charged with manslaughter but in 2006 was actually acquitted. It took a few years, though, and they found out that he actually, well, they said the jury found out and said that he had acted in self defence. Which was met with a whole bunch of controversy because you could imagine he's a well liked guy. He's everyone's mate, he's a coach of a team. He's one of the boys and all of this conversation started to come up about the use of force and self defence in situations like this. And I mean, we've all been there. 

Because I think the bouncer was also a boxer. 

Yeah. Yes. 

As well, there was something something like that, yeah. 

So I mean, one punch homicides not really a thing until this has happened and and now it's a different story like now now you hear about it all the time. I feel I want to draw a bit of a line between this. 

Back then, yeah, yeah, yeah. 

And the whole one punch homicide thing only because of, I guess, the legal ramifications of it. Like this guy was acquitted because he was acting in self defence. According to the jury. But there's a lot of people in David Hooks's circle and a lot of fans of his that probably can't. 

Reconcile that. I think even after that was found, the the pub itself was attacked like people were smashing windows and all kinds of things, yeah. 

Well, you could imagine. Yeah. I mean, that's where hooks he died, you know? Yeah. 

It was very. It was. It was very emotional and and like you say back then. People dying as a result of fights. Was it it? Wasn't a common thing that you heard of and then Fast forward 10 years and it's a completely different story. So sort of, you know, 2010 eleven 12/13/14 between 2008 and 2014, there were at least 15 deaths in Australia. Caused by one punch. 

Which is people out on the. ****. Yeah, getting a bit loose. 

Yep, getting in a fight. 

Having some kind of altercation which is turned into something more and people not realising how much damage you can do. 

When you fall and hit your. Heads. Yeah, yeah, now. 

Yeah, but with one punch as well. We in Canberra actually had a lot and especially in the circles that I was kicking around in and this happened before I actually moved to town, but there was this cultural institution called metal for the brain, right, which was this metal festival that. All the proceeds went to the national Brain Injury Foundation and that was because. Hours in civic? One night in the I, I think it was like early 90s, maybe late 80s, early 90s, a young man, a metal head by the name of Alec. Hurley was out with his mates who had played in, who ended up playing in a lot of bands in Canberra and he was King hit by someone they used to call it King hit. Now they call it. Showed punch. So he was he got hit and the person hit him and his head hit the concrete and he had a he had a brain injury. And Alec at that stage was basically all of his independence was taken away from him. He needed constant care around the clock. He was in a wheelchair. All of that. Sort of stuff, he. He only passed away. I think maybe I want to say I don't know, maybe five years ago. I'm not sure exactly where, but he lived for for some time after that and like he he became, you know, somebody. He required constant care. He went from being a. Right. Happy young guy to somebody who's who that had that part of his life taken away from him from a one punch attack and. 

It's just. It's so unnecessary as well, and I just like I think back to when I used to go out clubbing and guaranteed there would be flights in the taxi line every time you're in the taxi line all the time. There was always flights and I used to always think to myself. Gosh, I'm glad I'm not a bloke because it's only a matter of time until I end up in. A fight, if I. Was a guy because it's bound to. It's always happens and people have had too much to drink. You could just be looking at someone and they think you're looking at them wrong. You don't even need to be looking at someone. People just run up. 

Yeah, you can see it. You can see it in a guys face. I I often, I mean hosting. 

And punch people in their heads. It's just. Though horrible and unnecessary. 

Being being on stage in a venue that serves alcohol is a really interesting experience, and I've seen it happen with band. There was a a gig that we did in Caboolture in Queensland where we were set upon by an entire football team and I can remember getting hit from behind and it really hurt but I didn't fall down, but also I I've been in a position where I've been up on stage hosting gigs and made myself. To an audience, and I'm very aware of what's going on out in the crowd, even if I've had a few drinks. Myself and I. I'll look out there and I can. See the guys that are just. Giving you the stink eye that are just staring that look like they've had maybe too many that you kind of just are gonna keep your eye on. They're not necessarily gonna do anything. But that element of Dutch courage, alcohol and and testosterone just really do not mix very well together, especially when you're a young man and the David Hooks incident may not have been akin. To your standard pub fights coward punch incident, but it's certainly set forth a bit of a tide of awareness around that sort of stuff. 

And just how dangerous getting in a bit of a scuffle could potentially be as well, like just falling badly could have such devastating consequences. 

Yeah. And we've seen it, I mean. Thing is, is how much have people really learned? Because we've seen it. And then you say, like, you know, 10 years after that, between 2008 and 2014, you got 15 deaths caused by it. I can remember the the campaign from the boxer Danny Green about it as. 

Well, take it from me. One punch can be lethal. And go like. This without warning without any gloves, it can be deadly. One punch can end his life and ruin yours. It takes blunt to throw it. It takes guts to walk away. 

Yeah, it does. And I think when you look at the hook situation, like I said, it's probably a little bit different. Mm-hmm in that maybe he's had an altercation. I mean, no one's gonna know unless they were there. But also, like, the role of a security guard. And it it's a big responsibility. Have to be a bouncer that needed to change as well. Like you can't just rough people up even if you have to understand your position as opposed to their position and if their position is that they're intoxicated and violent and you need to remove them from the venue, you need to be properly trained. To do that, you can't just be. You can't be like I'm gonna get that guy to work. Security cause he's just a boxer. I mean, you look at some The Rolling Stones when they hired him. Angels to be the security at one of their concerts years ago and people died like people died at that show. So I mean, you think about it like that just because you're a big, intimidating character does not necessarily make you a qualified security guard. And I'm not saying either way that that's what happened at that hotel. 

Ohh, what's? Ohh my gosh. But there's also, but I think here in Australia as well, which you don't necessarily see in other countries, we have these really unhealthy culture of. Of going out until you're so smashed that you can't walk and you can't make judgement calls. You can't make decisions and you wake up the next day going. How did I even get? Home and that's. Like, that's the culture as well. So there's also this whole need to change this culture of going out and getting smashed and. 

Ohh yeah man. Ohh like I mean I love having a beer so and I find it a really hard thing to get around and it's just something that we've been we've. 

That's a hard thing to do. 

Lived with ever since we were kids, you know, like our parents. Drink our grandparents drink. Everyone has a drink. If you don't drink. 

Essentially, turn 18 you got on your 18th. And you get. 

And you get annihilated. Your bucks night, whatever it is. 

Smashed. You gotta go out. So you throw up. Yeah, and that that's the cult. I think it's changing now. I think it it it is. But back then, like, that's that's what it was like. And then when we get to. 2012. Says Thomas Kelly, who was an 18 year old male from Sydney. I remember this one. Really, really, clearly. And he was a. Victim of a one punch assault and didn't even know the person that punched him. They just ran up and. Punched him and. 

Ohh they they hit him from behind? Yeah, yeah. 

He passed away and then Daniel Christie. And I think it was Daniel Christie who was out celebrating New Year's. Eve in the same area as Thomas Kelly, and I think that's what triggered the Danny Green campaign shortly after that. And then in 2014 the NSW government introduced those very controversial lockout laws as well as the one punch law and the one punch law I think could be up to 25 years in prison. If if you punch somebody. And they died. And you're intoxicated. And then there was a a minimum, I think 8 years, if if I'm someone and and nothing nothing bad happens. 

I I I remember the lockout laws and everyone getting really irate. It's like it's gonna destroy the music industry. And I was like, well bands usually wrap up their gigs by about midnight. So the only music industry is gonna destroy DJ's who are playing other people's music anyway. You know what I mean? It just didn't. Make any sense to me? 

But then they. 

They reversed the laws, didn't they? Eventually I. 

Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

Think but just. Just such an unnecessary waste of life and. A culture that's really hard to. Shift as well. It's a tricky 1. 

We got, we got a lot to learn and I don't know if well, I feel like every and this is a thing with a lot of people saying I worry about the next generation, but I. 

I feel proud of the youth of today. Like you. Look at all all the alcohol free beers and wines and things that are coming out. People. People don't drink to those extremes anymore. 

Like the next generations have all switched on. Alcohol, free beer and wine drives me nuts. 

I know, but you have. 

It's like going to a brothel and asking for a hug. It's. 

You have said you have seen some shifts starting to occur and I don't, I don't think it's as it was. When we were. 

Yes, nowadays they get their pills tested, you know, back in our day, part of the excitement was not knowing if you were gonna die after you took it. 

Younger that would really young. 

Yes. Anyway I think it's let's move on to something a little bit more aspirational that's so well. Well, yes, but like not through you know any kind of list of some like real outer space, yeah. 

OK. Go into space outer space. No, no, no, no. IRL space. The 21st of January 2000 and. Or nasal's mere 2, which stands for Mars Exploration Rover #2. 

Ohh so that would be. 

What's her name? Spirit. Unfortunately, ceases communication with Mission Control. 

Yes, that was a. 

It was drama. 

A bit of a we talked about spirit last. Year, didn't we? 

Yes, launched on the 10th of June 2003, one of two Rovers Lawn. Looking for remember we discussed it, looking for ancient water. Remember the ancient water? Yes. 

That's right, ancient water, which is something that most blokes over 40 years experience at about 3:00 in the morning. 

Help me find the ancient water spirit and some soil and some rocks. Size of a golf cart weighed around a. 180. 

5 kilos sounds like most people over 40 prostates spirit. 

Actually landed on the 4th of January on Mars, but we were summer programming so we get to talk about that at a velocity of around 14 metres per second. 

Yeah, sorry about. 

Bounce 28 times before rolling to a stop on the 4th. 

Yes, the bouncing made people nervous because we don't really know. Know what's gonna happen. But we I do have. And this is an abridged recording from Mission Control because there was a lot of silence in between bouncers umm, and just in general. So it was actually very tense. 

So it's. Kind of like. 

Just awkward, uncomfortable silence. And also it's radio garble. So you kind of gotta listen really carefully to figure out what's happening. So what I've done is I've taken like about 6 minutes and condensed it down into, I don't know, like a. Minute and 1/2 or something. 

All that we have. Positive surface straight the signal in case we are bouncing on the surface of Mars. This is a very good sign. We have a green. Hang on, everybody, please be quiet. Stand by. Signal strength is currently intermittent. We don't see a signal at the moment. Hi no signal at the. Moment we saw an intermittent signal that indicated we were bouncing. However. However, we currently do not have signal from the spacecraft. Please stand by. Stand by, we currently do not have signal from the spacecraft. Remember that bouncing and rolling is an event that occur could occur for another 10 minutes. The spacecraft has to survive all the bounces or landing be a success. MGS Mock this is flight on more OPS. 

Go ahead, flight. 

Can you give me a current? Status please. Again as mentioned earlier, it requires a lot of computer time to process these signals due to their weak nature and also the fact that the Earth is currently setting a scene from Mars. 

The broadcast channel for the UHF real time data is. 

You see it? There it is. 

Now finally. 

There, there it is. 

There there are. 

That was a roller coaster. 

That's a. That's what you would probably qualify as a nerd gasm. 

Wow, there was a lot of emotions. 

Yeah, it's look that was there was a much. Bigger passage of time. 

Bouncing and rolling for 10 minutes? That sounds horrendous. 

Well, and The thing is is when it bounced so it had like all of these kind of airbags, airbags around it and then it would obviously bounce and bounce and bounce and roll and then the airbags would be floating, the Rover would be. 

It had vaccines. 

Deployed so it was very stressful and so initially Spirit had to transmit data to Earth via Mars Global Surveyor. Which I think was another. Sing on. Yes. So it was talking to that thing until it could do its own talking. So the way it does its own thing is after about an hour and a half from landing, the airbags go down and then the Rover deploys its petals, its petal solar panels, and then it can start to. Like obviously it's charged up and it can start to relay messages independently. Or via 2001 Mars Odyssey, which sounds like a fantastic film by Stanley Kubrick, but that was 2001, a space odyssey. So don't confuse the two spirit then starts transmitting all of these photos back to Earth. But like, if we Fast forward it like and and you would have heard it initially. Is this the one that had to reboot? Its hard drive it did. 

This was the one that was banging its hard. Drive, yes. 

This is the one that was like it landed and it it needed to it. 

It ran out of memory. No, it ran out of memory. Memory was full. It was. 

Got stuck in the boot, yeah. Yeah. And that's what happens when you bounce around a little bit too much, can't. 

Breaking it. 

Remember where you. Are or like who am I? What? Am I doing here? 

Is the flash memory subsystem and into default mode. 

Yeah, so it's. That's right. So that was on the 21st of January. That was a major problem and and as a. Sequence they were like ohh, we can't hear it or see it or whatever it does. We can't. We've lost contact. However they were able to reformat it and send up a software patch, but that took a long time like that. You think about, you know, broadband. They send a patch out for like whatever game or whatever you're playing. And it's a couple of gig and you can download it in 5 minutes. And resume your normal. 

Download the patch people. 

Yeah, well, this this didn't happen until the 5th of February. So it took quite a few. Days. Gosh, yes. And then the next. Day it had to you use its rock abrasion tool. Otherwise known as a rat. Hmm, to grind down the surface of a rock called Adirondack. Hmm. That's right. The first time this was ever done on Mars. This is ground breaking stuff, quite literally groundbreaking. 

So lucky it downloaded. Look, it downloaded the pat, yes. 

Yes, so that it could then grind down Adirondack, which is quite literally groundbreaking the first time this has ever done on Mars. Investigating the exposed interior of the rock gave scientists important insights into the composition of Martian soil. 

Cool. The mission was originally planned to last 90 Martian days, just Earth days. I know you. Yeah, I know. 

Love that. That they call it Martian cause it's. Like the mass. 

But you like we're the little creepy people. 

Where's? Where's the kaboom? Yeah. 

Is meant to last 90 Martian days. Don't know what that equals in Earth days, but they were looking at April 2004 I think, but they were able to extend the mission well beyond the life. Of time and one of the reasons for it. This is an interesting one that in 2005, Spirit was going up the apex of Husband Hill. 

I just. I don't want to blow all of our spirit content in. We're going to, aren't we? We're gonna have to. 

Sure, we can revisit spirits going up husband Hill, which apparently is as high as the Statue of Liberty, and it's very rocky. And it's very Sandy. 

Is it quite round and hard to mount? 

It stopped at many locations to investigate things, and it was using the wraps. It was ground breaking. 

Have to grind, grind stuff off. 

Yeah, but then as it's going up husband Hill in March, dust devils swept through. 

OK. Nothing worse than getting hit by a dust devil on husband Hill. Hmm, yeah. 

I know it's the worst. Which actually clear. 

You would. 

It actually cleared off. The solar. So that's so use solar panels on top of it and it had obviously crap that had formed on top of the solar panels. The Dust Devils whirled around, removed the crap, and then increased the power from 60% to 93%, which meant the spirit could go on for much longer than what they. 

Anticipated it happens on Husband Hill. Sometimes. You know, things can go on much longer than I had anticipated. 

And so then on the 29th of September, it got to the top of Husband Hill. Gosh, that's a big journey, isn't it? 

Well, yes, that is a big. Journey, but I'm glad they peaked at some stage. 

Big journey, yeah. 

Was able to take 360° panoramas and true colour of the Gusev crate. 

I think that's how you pronounce it, yeah. And nothing beats a 360° panorama of a crater from a top husband hill. Yes, yes, indeed. 

Of the crater after you've mounted the husbands. Yes, yes. The crater from the top of the husband. 

Yeah. Now 2009 was this was the sad ending of spirit we've spoken. About this before. 

Ah, it makes me sad when someone umm. 

It's stuck in soil and it couldn't. It couldn't generate traction against the ground. It got bogged. And then and then I think on November 28th in 2009, the another one of its wheels, the rear one stopped working. So by 2010, after all these attempts to get it out like it took like it nearly, you know, three months to get it out of. The bog longer. Actually really like because it first happen. And in May, for all spirit. 

Yeah. And then they were like, well, you can just be a stationary thing, but you don't have to keep moving. That's alright, we'll work with. You and work with what? You've got at this point. 

And Spirit was OK with that. 

You can. Just spirit. You just stay where you are and. Just take some more photos, study the tiny wobbles in Mars's rotation as part of your remit. 

Yeah. And it's just, you know. It's it was OK with that. It was OK with that. But I think like after 2010, they just couldn't contact spirit anymore. 

Well, they had to move the solar panels, I think to catch the solar stuff to keep it going. And it wouldn't tilt the panels. 

Ohh yeah that. Filled the. 

So then it. Couldn't even do its stationary job, and then it lost contact in 2010. And this is just heartbreaking. Those those guys initially that you played? 

Yeah, ran out of power. Yeah, they would have been devoted. It perished in the cold. That's what killed it. It's survival heaters didn't work. 

That's really it's really sad. 

It really is. But but, but it travelled well it travelled. About 7.73 kilometres across Mars. They're operated for six years. Six years, Sir. Wow. 

In like 10. One kilometre a. 

Year. Yeah, that's that's not really that's been underwhelming but but. 

It made it. Up husband Hill, which is the most difficult thing to mount. Very challenging. 

It's New Year and I'm still using the same technology crap. Sorry about that. We do have some technology news though. On the 20th of January, Nintendo announces a new console is going to be released. Later in 2004, he's a launch trailer, which I alluded to. 84. Let's just that's incredibly suggestive. 

For Nintendo, which is like the Kitty console, isn't it? Yes, well they are. 

That's for babies. I'm sorry. Like that. Just. Yeah, that it's it's I found that really odd. 

Don't touch the. No, Mario wouldn't approve of that. 

Don't don't touch the rectangle or you'll go blind or grow hair on the palm of your hands. 

Ah, it's just a bad. 

App. Yeah. Well, anyway, they announced a new console was gonna be released later in 2004. That's the launch trailer for it under the name Nintendo DS. 

I love this. This here's the code name. 

You love the deers. 

We're not gonna tell you we're not gonna tell you what it is, but the code name is Nintendo DS. But you gonna have. 

Isn't that what it is? 

To wait. 

Yes, that's what it was. 

I think they were going to call it something else, so Nintendo DS is the code name like the working. Title and it's like. We'll come up with something amazing. 

And then they're. 

Just stuck with it. They didn't have any. Other ideas? Ohh no, I thought maybe. 

DSDS stand stands for dual. Screen. Yeah, there's two screens now. I'm pretty sure I'm I'm drawing. I'm applying logic and reason I haven't actually done the research, but that is the most logical answer. 

Does it? I thought it stood for something else. Well, at this point at at this point they announced that it would have two separate 3 inch LCD display panels, separate processors and up to. 

Just quietly. That's a combined total of 6 inches, OK. 

Very impressive. Hmm. This is impressive as husband too. Up to 128 megabytes of semiconductor memory. What's a semiconductor memory? 

It's important. It's important, I don't know, but it's important when you gotta touch. The bottom rectangle no. 

Nintendo President at the time, Satoru Iwata, said we have developed Nintendo DS based upon a completely different concept. On existing game devices, in order to provide players with a unique entertainment experience for the 21st century. Well, that is touch my rectangle. Dare you. 

God, I didn't know where that. Yes. But, but I mean, they were the first one to kind of put touch screen technology into a portable device. If you think about it. 

Also, can I say that the DS? No, it's a stylist, yes, but the DS looks like 1980s. The ones that you opened. Yeah. Donkey Kong. It looked like that. It didn't actually look that groundbreaking. 

The old game and watch. Yeah. Donkey Kong. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I liked that about it. I did. Like the whole game and watched the tiny fun chef. 

I I didn't hate it, but it didn't feel 21st century. It felt 1980. Seven, yes. And it had the. X and it. Just looked very similar, but he felt the DS would put Nintendo back at the forefront of innovation and move away from the conservative image. Hence the rectangle that touching that had been used to describe the company. Because you know, you had the what was the one before at the Nintendo 64? 

But you could touch things. Ohh, Game Boy. Yeah, I don't know. 

Game Boy. But the 64 you know with Mario Kart. 

Yes, of course. Lots of kiddy games in there, yeah. 

Is very, very beige. In March 2004, a document containing most of the consoles technical specs was leaked, and it revealed the internal development name which was Nitro. So I'm thinking maybe the name was going to be Nitro. They gave the working title, Nintendo DS. The papers get leaked. They took Nitro and it was like Nitro. Ohh and so. 

Let's just tell the JS. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I and then. Well, good. 

They went and we'll just. Stick with tears, stick with tears and they did. And I looked over the most popular games on the DS, I think they're all Pokémon related. I don't think anyone played anything other. 

Really well. 

Than Pokémon on them. 

So you can Pokémon and touch the. It's music time. 

It is. Let's start with the Australian. Charts. OK. Number one over here this time 20. Years ago. Hey. Yeah. 

Yes, yes. Well, which? We've gone over many at times and we were like, well, we don't need to. We're. 

Not gonna play us. 

No, we know what it is, OK. Number one is, Michelle, the winner of pop stars with all this time for the second week. 

Gonna hear it. Yet anyway, yeah. Yeah, Michelle, the most normal looking person in music ever. 

Sorry, mish mish with all this time. 

Me. Yeah. Yeah. She's like, she's gonna go and pick. The kids up from soccer. 

Hey gal nish. 

And then she's just gonna perform a number one single in the UK. 

Yes, thank you, Michelle. 

For her, she. Might get a perm in the afternoon if she got some spare time. 

Good. the US top five. Little bit different this week. 

My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard and their life is better than yours. Damn right, it's better than yours. I could teach you, but I have to. 

Yeah. Don't hear me. You just want. 

Don't want to meet your daddy? 

Just want you get my caddy. 

So there you go it. Wasn't we? You got your hay? 

Very R&B and rap. 

It has been for ages. It has been in the charts for ages, so hey, yeah, still #1. 

Well, didn't you? Read something the other day. What was Andre Andre 3000. He's not just doing flute anymore. What did you say? 

No, he's in the he's in the studio with someone. Ohh, Mike Dee from the Beastie Boys. Yeah, and some other dude. So maybe. Maybe we'll see something from Andre too. So I don't know if he was just paying a visit, you know, maybe just showing up to have a few drinks and just see what what other people were doing. But Mike Deaf and the Beastie Boys was in there as well. And then I was intrigued. I was like, now there's a collaboration that I'd like to see. 

Who was in the studio? Producing or wrapping. I don't think he raps anymore. Maybe he's doing a guest flute. I think he's doing flukes. 

Mike from the Beastie. Boys. Well, he could be he. 

It it's very good. You're very, very. 

Could be he could be. He could be flirting with Mike D anyway, he is very good at playing the flute, which is something that you will do quite often. A top husband. Hill. So hey, yeah. Outcast. #1, the way you move, outcast #2. 

Good on a range of flutes. 

Yes. And then milkshakes, still sitting pretty at #3, which has has been at #3 for some time. And then Alicia Keys has moved up. Ludacris is out. He's no longer standing up because in the number five position we've got slow jams. 

Hmm, slow jams by rapper Twister featuring Jamie Foxx. 

As in Jamie Foxx. 

Yeah, they actor. Yes, he can sing. Yeah, he he sings the chorus. Yeah. Hmm. 

The actor, because I didn't know that he can. Well, he does. Obviously. I'm so James. Didn't know that. And Kanye West? 

Yes indeed. 

This is the lead single from Twister's fourth studio album, Kamikaze, but they were also able to release because there was something with the label that Twister was on, and then it changed ownership. There was some something that happened, some loophole, that allowed for it to also be released as the second single. 

Politics. Politics. 

From Kanye West debut studio album. The college dropout. 

Well, he Kanye spends a bit. Time like not singing, but rapping on that as well. 

It's an interesting. Origin story too, because there. Was a party. I think it's Jamie. 

Right. 

Foxx's party? There's a party anyway at this party. 

Sounds decadent already. Very decadent. If that's the case. 

Missy Elliot, the Neptunes, Jay-Z, Jamie Foxx. Not sure if he's hosting refuses to. 

Yeah. Uh-huh. 

Attending but it's. 

I think he probably was hosting them. 

That this party where he first bumps into. Ye Yeezy Kanye West, and we've we spoke about this last year, Kanye is still recovering from the car crash, which shattered his jaw. Remember he had it. 

Yeah. Yes. 

Wired yes he did. You sound like me with my retainer, with my mother. 

Yes sense anyway. 

So Kanye's there, and he's having a chat with Jamie. And then Kanye does a freestyle. Rap at the party. Jamie's like I'm impressed and then said, hey, mate, do you wanna come and record slow jams with me and the rest is history. 

Oh great. I thought Kanye wrote the song. No. So Jamie Foxx invited him to. Do it, Kanye. 

'S on it. He didn't write it. 

So he's just guesting on. 

It he bumped into him at a party, he raps while still recovering with his jaw thing and Jamie's like, great. 

It didn't Kanye produce it. 

Come and sing on it. 

I'm so confused. 

Did we say he produced it? No, he produced. The Alicia Keys song he produced the Alicia Keys one last week. We talked about that. 

I just assumed that he produced it. OK, my bad. 

You're still so last. Sorry. So then they they perform it together, but Kanye then? Starts giving Jamie Foxx crap saying that his song was hip hop instead of R&B, and then Jamie Foxx is like, well, your chances of success in the music industry. No, non existence. They had a bit of a fight, but they've already recorded it, but more full Jamie Foxx peaked at #1. 

Wow, did they? OK, well. 

On the Billboard. 

Ohh goes to #1. Spoiler alert Greg. 

100. And Twister the guy, the guy whose. Song it actually. Is, let's forget Jamie and Kanye for a moment. Twister. He I think he'd released. So this is his fourth album. He has this style. Where? He raps really fast. 

Yes. Yeah. 

That's his thing. Like he raps, really. Like, you know, the Eminem song Godzilla. He's he's like that. But back early 2000s, but it got to the point where it became a gimmick and people were imitating. 

Yeah, right. 

Him and making a joke out. 

Ohh really? Yeah. 

Of it. And so he's like that's not. Very fair. So then he teams up with these guys and they kind of bring back his credibility. 

So this is like twisted speech. 

Come on, me. Get supposed to have on the champagne. You know, like the whispers hit the stop. Like you put the. 

I like that. That's talented. Yes, it's very good. 

Like Busta Rhymes or something, I mean, it's not like he did it first, like Busta Rhymes did it before. 

Business please. 

Pretty sure. And then there's Kanye's. 

Bit so that you drive. Over and your new friends you cool with. 

So it doesn't still have the wire obviously. 

Well, maybe he does. That's why he's taking his time. He could do A twist. Twist. He couldn't do what Tista Twister did. Twister. Yeah. Is that his name? Twister. 

This was a bit slower than sweet. No, yes, we start. We start with an A. 

Great. Cool. Awesome. Yeah. Well, I just think of the movie. Twister with the the Hurricanes and the cow flying around in the air when you talk about him. OK, houses getting wrecked, you know, that's what I think about Twister. We should probably move on. 

All right. 

Yeah, I think there was an. Album release would you like? To talk about that. OK, I'll be going. 

I'd love to because I'm feeling awkward now. So are you. Want me to? OK. 

Yeah, I think you. 

All right, well, this one this. 

I told all the stories about. Ye and Jamie Foxx, your turn. 

That's just you listen to this stuff. 

I didn't listen. I didn't know slow jabs. 

Well, you researched. 

Is it? 

It very, very well and I was suitably impressed. 

Glad I sounded knowledgeable because I have no idea what. 

Yeah. OK. 

That song is. But it's a it's an interesting story that they met at a party and he. Did a freestyle. They would be on my. 

Song. And then they had a fight. Great. Well, I can talk about colour. The small one, which is the third album for Sia. 

See you as in. I wanna swing from the chandelier. 

I guess. 

I thought that was her first big song. 

No, she's been around for a while. 

I did not know this. 

Well, you found. Out because you did it, you put it. In the show notes, we can use it. 

So well, I only found out when I did the show. 

Notes I didn't know exactly so this got really. 

For now, tell us well it. 

Was released on the 10th of January 2006 in the US after the track breathed me, became popular on alternative radio. And then after that bit it goes. Into this huge. Extravagant kind of it sounds. 

Big. It sounds. Yeah. When you think back to early 2000s, you think of bands like Morcheeba and some? Of that. Sort of. 

Oh yeah, yeah. 

Loungy kind of Trinity bar music. 

OK. Yeah, well, that became very popular because it was featured on the series finale of the show 6 feet under. So TV helped see her out a lot. 

It sounds, yeah, sounds like. No, quite sure. 

Right. And it peaked at #14 on the Billboard Top Heatseekers album charts. I'm not sure what the Heatseekers album charts are compared to the other album charts, but I feel like Billboard would just make up a chart at this stage like the husband's Hill album charts, which just plays things like Creedence Clearwater Revival and Paul Simon, you know? You know what I mean? Maybe some Neil Young. 

That's that's. 

Expected of husband Hilbert. Sure, that sounds like Grandpa. 

Hill. OK, cool. Well, it's also she's also featured in the that song, in particular in the Bionic Woman TV series. That's really all I know about that. Mm-hmm. 

I don't remember I. Honestly, the first time I heard of her was. The chandeliers I. 

So OK. 

Don't. I don't remember that song. I don't. Remember that album and that? 

Was her third album. So yes, that's right. So I do. I do, however, remember the big day out that year in 2004, I didn't go. But I remember I remember. 

Sorry, Sam. Are you sure? Did you go? That's why you. 

Staying at a pub. Party and somebody rang the party during Metallicas's set. Yeah, and was like, listen, Metallica's playing and we all listen to Metallica on my phone. Hello. Yes, this is party. They're like, hello party. This is Metallica. And we were like, Holy Metallica. So head Metallica headlined the big day out and I feel like this is when the. 

Or someone who was there rang your party. Hello. Yes, this is party. How can we help you? 

Yeah, just kind of went. Because like metallic hair, like the biggest. Band in the world at this stage. 

It's pretty big for them to headline it. 

It's a big it's a big. Headlining act to bring in from and to a festival like I feel like Metallica could have headlined their own tour in their own. Right. But they did bring them out now. And they they did headline and it was quite large. 

How did it sound over the phone call? 

Look, I think Metallica, we're kind of starting to phone gigs in a little bit at this stage. To be honest with. You. I don't know. I'd kind of really gone off them after Saint Anger. And this is their album that they're touring off, remember? So it's a bit like yuck. But they played a big set with all of their classic songs, so I think. Anyone who went to it would have absolutely loved it. Now a perfect circle. We're also gonna be there. Maynard James Keenan from tools side. Banned. But they had to withdraw and they replaced them with Fear Factory, which is weird. But anyway they Fear Factory always do well at a big day out. I've seen them a couple of times as well. Other means they had Black Eyed Peas, basement jacks, Aussies, blood duster. One of my favourites. I love blood duster. Something for Kate. Jet, The Mars Volta, of course. Out of the ashes of that, the driving comes. The Mars Volta now. And at the driving with the big heroes of the big day out back in 2001 with all the limp biscuit controversy. And then the Mars Volta. Come back and the darkness. 

We are the darkness and we are from the UK. 

Drummer Motor fluffed a little bit there, but that's OK. Yeah. So the darkness, I think were one of the people that kind of or one of the bands I should say that stole the show that day just because like, I mean, there's so many Metallica fans in that there and it's I think they're from the UK. The first thing that would probably hit them when they're playing in the middle of the day. 

That would be good. 

Of the big day out is the freaking heat. They're they're like, oh, we're going out to visit the colonies in Holly. It's quite warm, but they they did really well. They're instead of doing the the pitchforks, the devil horns. Justin Hawkins was trying to get everyone to show their thumbs. Let me see your. Thumbs, which was a big, big gimmick that they were doing at the time, but. Yeah, I'm really sad. I didn't kind of go. I just had to listen to Metallica on the phone. 

Would have been what song were they doing? When you heard them on the phone. 

Ohh Christ. Ohh. Creeping death maybe? I don't know. Yeah, it was. It was kind of it. 

What phone were you listening? Maybe it was the. 

Was pretty. It was a Nokia. 

Phone's fault. That it sounded good. Well, that's why. 

It was pretty garbled. 

That's why maybe if you were listening on you. Know like a today. Phone or maybe for. On a Motorola razor it would. 

Have sounded a lot better. 

That's just feel like if I wanted to hear it that bad, I probably would have gone anyway. 

Sonia. Sonia, there was some drama too. 

When isn't there drama at big day out? 

The strokes the Strokes were. Performing and the datsuns, I think they're in New Zealand. And they were forming on another stage at the same time, and some of their noise was being picked up by the strokes bleeding onto their stage. 

Well, that's that's some of the problems with festivals. If you got a loud mix that's gonna happen, yeah. 

I think it happens. The lead singer of The Strokes expressed his frustration and decided to make some comments about the Ducks during during his set and then it became a bit of a feud between the two bands, adding a bit of. 

Now if. It rude towards the datsuns. 

Drama. And so then in response, the Datsuns played a cover of the stroke song last night during their own set. I think that's great. 

That's amazing. That's amazing. And did that sound bleed across as well? Cause that would? 

Good on you. 

Have been hilarious. 

Yes, good on you. Datsuns Dados lover Datsun. Yes, that just makes me love them more. 

If he doesn't. I you know, it's funny too. I I just realised that I talked about how Metallica phoned it in when they're headlining and I was at that party and somebody quite literally phoned Metallica in. 

You only just got that I. Thought that's how you said that. 

Yes, no, no, completely spaced on it. And it just kind of the synapses fired when we started talking about the bats. It's amazing. You know you're. In trouble when you don't get your own jokes until about 5 minutes after the fact. But anyway it was it. Thank you. I'm not even sure what happened, but it was good apparently. Anyway, let's go over entertainment number one in the US box office. We've got a new movie. It's not the Lord of the Rings. 

That's a good joke. 

Here's me thinking it was going to be the. Lord of the Rings forever. Because it makes a billion dollars, but instead a comedy movie starring Ben Stiller comes along, called along came Polly. 

Reuben Feffer made a career out of avoiding risk. 

People wonder why they get E coli poisoning on average, only one out of every six people wash their hands when? 

They go to the bathroom. 

So we always made the safe choice. 

I would ensure your marriage any day of the. Week. Hello. Are you guys for scuba? 

I think I'm. 

Gonna skip the scuba diving. 

But just when he thought every danger could be avoided. 

Ohh my God. 

I heard about your honeymoon. Just terrible. 

I am so sorry, Ruben. 

Yeah, well, you know, it's kind of complicated. 

Don't make excuses. She's a dime store ******, which she always will be. 

Should you need some more. 

Time off. Alright, good. Thanks. 

Rain dance. I feel like I might be ready to get my life back on track. I'm going to ask. Polly Prince on a date. You know, you know this girl, Ruben. 

You haven't seen this in 7th grade, no? 

Hi, this is Ruben. 

Please leave a detailed message after. 

Did you call me last night? 

No, I don't think so right in the. 

House. She's a ferret. She's cute. 

Can't really see anyone. 

Uh, yeah. Cute. Yeah. It kind of lost you at the start, didn't it? I saw you zoning out during that trailer. 

I don't like them still. I just don't like him. 

I don't. Really care. Yeah, it's the lovable loser, right? 

I don't. I'm sorry. I'm sure he's a nice person, but I don't think there's any Ben Stiller movie that I actually like. 

Tropic Thunder. 

Yeah, but I was really paying attention to him in that. And I think today in, in today's world, you can't like that movie anyway. 

No, the the, the other cost. I don't think you're supposed. To no I. Still kinda do, but I I shouldn't. 

But everything else he's just he's irritating. 

Yeah, the lovable loser schtick really annoys me. 

It's not his fault. So what is he? He's risk adverse guy. 

Days Ruben Fefa the the. 

And he's fine. He he makes things safe. So he does a risk assessment. 

Yeah. And then and then he gets married and he goes on a honeymoon and his bride, who's played by Deborah Messing. 

Should be way older than this. 

And well, they do the scuba thing they do the scan and you would have heard. And she cheats on him with the scuba diving instructor. Umm, on the honeymoon. So he comes back and he's like ohh lovable loser, poor guy. And then he discovers Polly. Who is someone he went to school with who's played by Jennifer Aniston. And then he. Basically. She's her, but apparently she kind of makes that whole risk averse neurosis even worse. And hilarity ensues. So. 

Hilarious 27% critics score with one critic and IQ. Talented actors in dumb film with gross sex humour. 

Sounds like a Ben Stiller movie. 

To me, 47% audience. It does, doesn't it? 

Yeah, yeah, it's not ideal. I I don't think I did. I watch it. If I did, I forgot it pretty quick. I do remember the scene. I must have watched it because I do remember the scene where she she was banging the scuba instructor and. 

Never heard of us. Then say that's a bit difficult above. 

No, no, it was in a boat. Yes, he went in there and he was. 

Water. OK good cause. Yeah. 

He was below deck and she was climbing. A hill other than husband. Yes. Scuba instructor hill. Yeah, exactly. It was weird. Anyway, last samurai number one at the Australian. 

Not husband. 

Box office just. Like crept in there, like last samurai came out Lord of the Rings was doing its thing and everyone, well, we've seen the Lord of the Rings now it's like the the almost the end of January, we've seen that and we want to see Tom Cruise in feudal Japan. So we'll deal with that and watch the last samurai. That'll be great. And everyone he's like. I feel the need the need for Cortana. Anyway, and and then then we go to TV, TV on the 18th of January. This show, this show broke a lot of grounds. By all accounts, never watched it. 

Maida, but. 

Well, this will be good. 

The L word. Debuts on the 18th of January 2. 1004. 

Why is it so? Important for you to believe that everyone is sleeping with everyone else. 

And two of you were just so sexy. 

To our future. 

Baby girl. Is your sister like the coolest person on Earth? 

Or what? I got him under control. 

I saw the neighbours having sex in their pool this afternoon. 

Why don't you tell me? 

About it, I wasn't really watching that. It's like, no, I think you're watching. 

Great mind. Turn on. It's sexy. There you are. 

For your information, I'm looking for the same qualities in a man as I am. 

And a woman, she looks like she's been around. 

The block a few times. 

Ohh. Sex. Sex, sex, sex. Sex. Sex. Sex. Sex. Sex. Sex. Sex. No sex on husband Hill. 

Not on Husband Hill the series. Follows the lives of a group of lesbian and bisexual women who live in West Hollywood. California intertwines insulin stories about the lives and lives of a group of lesbians they date. They get into committed relationships. They consider having families. They hook up, they break up, they question their sexuality. They stay. 

Great. Good for them, I. Can so relate? Ohh yeah. 

In the closet, they come out of the. Clothes. They sleep around, sometimes all of the above. And I saw I saw a chart. 

Ohh, you saw a chart. 

Saw it. I saw a chart. Of the show, and it had, it was like a circle chart with lots of circles. And so the main characters were big pink circles, and then it showed who each of the main characters were intertwined with throughout the show. With smaller circles, there were no they were great. There was a lot of circles. 

Right. 

But I think. 

I think there was a lot. Of relationships. Yeah, and. There's a lot of sex happening by the circles. 

I can't understand how why I'd never watched it and couldn't relate to it. 

It's featured televisions first ensemble cast of lesbian and bisexual female characters, and. Its portrayal at. The time was groundbreaking cause it's like when you think back when you think back. We had I think. 

Yes, yes, I understand that, yeah. 

We were as. Folk. Mm-hmm. Before this queer eye for the straight guy obviously debuted the year prior, so we're starting to see. Gay representation on TV. And I do remember at the time where. I where I. Worked. I had some lesbian colleagues and they loved this show because finally they saw themselves represented on TV. 

Representation. I get it, I understand. 

And I think part of it was that the IT was, it was from the female point of view because. Prior to that. It's usually like you usually saw that through adult movies and. 

Look, I I. 

That particular portrayal this was. Portrayed from more the female gaze when lesbian sex was not visible in any other show. At this point. 

No, I understand. I get it. Like I understand why the representation is important, right? And you can't talk about sexuality without talking about sex, right? Because that kind of defines what people's sexuality is. I get that. But when you listen to that promo, it's just like it's like using, like, all there's there's gotta be more to the characters. 

Yeah, I think that was, yeah. 

Than just who they're having sex with. And this is the whole thing that used to bug me. Sexuality being flaunted to a degree cause I don't really care who you have sex with like that's fine. Like and and there there might be a time when you're in the mood for a little bit of titillation and that's great. But like that is just over the top. But I get it like because at the end of the day, sex cells, no one's gonna watch that. 

That's the hook, yeah. 

Joe, if it's just lesbians at home. 

Cross stitching. 

You know, just going well, it's it's Friday night and I don't really feel like going out. Maybe we could just watch a movie and then and then they watch a movie and if it's anything like any other normal couple, 1/2 of them is a sleeker. And then they wake up and they're like, what do I miss? And then the other person's. Getting frustrated because I have to bring him up to speed. 

Snoring again. 

Not necessarily. Speaking from experience, but I'm sure that has. 

It was also the 1st. Television series written and directed by predominantly queer women. So it wasn't. Just the representation. It was also the writing and it was coming from the perspective of people who have lived that life as well. 

Which probably obviously makes it more relatable because it's actually written by people who've who've lived it. Again, get it. 

Yeah, ran for six seasons, ended in 2009 there. Was the spin-off reality. Show the real L word. There was a documentary film as well. And I think there was, there's been a few spin offs, but I think there's one that's recently been. Released or is still? 

So sounds like generation Q, which I think they did in 2019. 

In development there. Was the L word New York I? 

All right, yeah. 

Don't know if it's still in production. Or if it's out. Yet, but I do I. Do remember at the time it was it was quite a big, groundbreaking show. But yeah, I never. Critics were. 

Were raving about it. And look, I I do actually think that like, well, I mean, it's about time. It's just I guess for me it was one of those things where it's like, well, yeah, that happens. Like I don't understand. I didn't understand the controversy and I feel like they used the controversy to sell it a lot. But behind that controversy, I never watched it, so I can't tell you if it's a good show or not. Maybe I should watch it. Maybe you should. I want. I don't have time to watch it. You know what will happen? I'll watch it. Right. We'll be Friday night. We like. Let's watch some episodes. Yeah, that's right. I'll fall asleep and then you'll get frustrated because I'll wake up 20 minutes. 

Yes, that's. 

My husband. 

To it and you'll have to explain to. Me. What happened? 

All right on to another show that, yeah. We could all probably fall asleep. In the 21st of January. 

No, I think everybody would like to have. Explained to them what happens. 

To death do us part. Carmen and Dave premiers. 

Yes. Carmen Electra. Dave Navarro. The Big Wedding series, the MTV celeb reality. Ohh yes Dave, with his pierced ******* and his bubble gum tattoos, yes. 

The the pierced *******. These long nips, we did discuss this. We've gone back to. 

See how long, nips. 

This no, but I just feel like you need. 

I've never nipped that close. 

Long ones to. Pierce them, remember. 

Right. Yes, I I please no. 

You brought this up. So we have discussed this before because they got married. 

What the NIPS or the? 

They got both. They got married in 2003. So last year on the show and we talked about the fact that they got married. No one was at the wedding because they were filming it. 

Yeah. OK. 

For this show. 

That's right. 

That now debuts on the 21st of January 2004. 

It's the weirdest thing. It's like your marriage was under embargo. Yes. So strange. Yes, all for the sake of getting a paycheck from MTV. 

Yeah. Well, actually, I'd probably do it. 

Yeah. I you know what I I find. 

I'd lip sync and I'd I'd fake Marie on MTV. 

They I mean, so the whole reality series follows their life, obviously like celebrity reality, they're living together. He's falling asleep in the movie and then 20 minutes later he wakes up and she has to explain it to him, all that sort of stuff she has to climb husband Hill and not get bogged. All of these things happen and they've got a dog called Daisy, who's a little Yorkie terrier. With them as well. And then the the big finale is the the wedding. You know what's funny? And I I've kind of. 

The 2003 wedding. 

On them before. Only because I just. I really like I'm an Electra and I don't like him. 

Her I like her. I don't like him cause you don't like him and I'm just visualising him with like, 6 inch *******. 

Well, I think. 

Now, and it's just it's. 

That's that's really strange. Especially like. How's that gonna look when you get older? You know, people talk about tattoos when they when they're like, oh, she's. 

Doesn't work, yeah. And when? And when you're cold, you put someone's eye out. Dangerous, yes. 

You're gonna look silly when you're older. Yes, but you're gonna look silly anyway. So it doesn't matter. Like you know, you gonna have hair going out my. 

Anyway, I don't like him cause you don't like him, but I love her. Love him. 

Ears and off anyways. Well. This scene I found quite endearing because they put a jam room in their house and you know I'm. I'm quite partial to Carmen Electra, the wrapper. 

This is our little jam area. You know, it's rad. This is really like life at our house. This is what we do. 

Dave and Steve Perkins. 

Just got me my. 

Own drum set and I'm learning how to play. What do we plan? 

What are we doing? We're doing when the levee breaks by Led Zeppelin. OK, hit it, mouse. 

OK. 

Yeah, the couple. 

Well, she's playing the drug. So was she playing the? Drums when she was rapping the 1st. 

The there. No, Dave was playing the. 

I was going to say that's amazing. 

Drums in the first bit she was playing the drums for the Led Zeppelin bit, but then a typical lead guitar player. He's gotta stand up there with his nips out and just shred all over the top of the the very competent drumming, which I don't appreciate. Actually the couple, the couple that jams together ends up divorced. 

No, I'm. I'm team Harmon. Yeah, well, that's what happened. 

They mean like all good bands like. All good bands. They split up. Eventually. So there you go. Oh, all right. Hatches, matches and dispatches. We're almost there. We we have a couple of things in this segment. And the first one is a match. 

Yes, while we're talking. Death do us apart. Stay on the theme of weddings 24th of January 2004, actress Selma Blair weds producer. I think also a musician. 

Yes, a wedding? Sure. Frank Zappa's son? Yeah, Ahmet Zappa and Selma Blair. Selma's 31. He's 20. 

I'm at Zeppo. 

That's probably. 

9 the most. 

Normal of the zapper children's names they moon. 

Dweezil Moon, unit Zappa and Armex. Yeah, so Selma Blair gets married to him at Carrie Fisher's mansion in Beverly Hills in California. Yeah. So Zapper was her boyfriend for about 6 months. 

How much boring? Of course. 

They were gonna get married at the Ritz Carlton in Marina del Rey in California, but they changed locations at the last minute because they wanted to go to Princess Leia's house. Well, I mean, who wouldn't? And so she wore a simple gown with no veil. It was a traditional Jewish wedding ceremony, which I think is lovely. Small guest list Twizzles Apple was there. Lisa Loeb was there. And Dweezil's girlfriend was there. 

Well, isn't Lisa Dweezil's girlfriend? 

Ohh, maybe yeah, probably you say was that Lisa? 

I think Lisa is Dorie's girlfriend. Yes. What is that song now? 

I only care when I want to everything area with you. Anyway, I'm divorced in 2006, Vincent. But I love Selma. Blair and Selma Blair. I mean, we here on the podcast, very strong advocates for people with disability. Right. We we it's it's it's something that's very close to our hearts. 

Ohh same. 

And we we have kind of a 0 tolerance stance on on discrimination against people with. Disability and we're big advocates for people with disability, somewhat. Blair recently got diagnosed with Ms not so recently. She's been through a lot and there is a documentary that she's done with. I believe it's like Discovery Channel, like Discovery documentaries and correct me if I'm wrong, you can go and Google it. Selma Blair documentary. You should check it out. It's. Definitely worth watching. A very candid look. At her struggles with disability, she just basically opened her whole life up. She had chemotherapy, she went through rehab, all sorts of stuff, and she talks about what her life was like in the public eye and what the media was saying about her, and then how she eventually had to come out and save it. She had this disability and she had Ms and everything that went with it. And it's it's extraordinary. And look, this is a bit of a long promo, but when we were talking about Selma Blair, I just wanted to find, I guess, an opportunity to shed some light on this. So it's well worth a listen to and definitely well worth a watch after this. 

I always thought I was on a reality show like I was in a documentary, but only God would see it and disapprove. I'm so sorry. I can't talk right now. We're shooting the final days of my life. 

There are certain people whose every minute of their life is photographed. Toma isn't that famous, but she's famous enough just to get the wrong kind of attention at the wrong time. You know, someone sees you're walking with a limp. Are they gonna think she's drunk? Are they gonna? Think she's having problems? 

The onset of that mass. 

Which is just a symptom. 

Of a really unhealthy immune system. Don't worry, I know what I'm doing. Things were going backwards, the meds were just making me feel. Worse, I'm sick. The options ran out. The stem cell transplant is the thing that's going to help me, if anything, will. 

Almost got she wants to be able to be with her. Like nobody. Son, that was really. Hard, but there's so many dangers. 

You know how you called me modelling? Before, you ain't seen nothing yet. 

It's the the that that promo goes on. It's definitely worth a watch. She is extraordinary and she's such a rebellious, rambunctious person. 

She's also so open about it, so she talks about the different treatments she's undertaken because a lot of the stuff that she's trying, there's not a lot of information about. And she doesn't come at. It from a. Preacher, you have. To do this, she comes at it from the perspective of. Well, I tried this and this is how it worked for me. It might not be right for you, but this this particular treatment doesn't have a lot of information about it. So I want to share it in in the hopes of maybe helping other people that she's so open. 

And I mean, they say she's famous, but she's not that famous. But. I mean she. 

Was in. She was in cruel intentions. Legally Blonde. 

Hellboy yeah. 

Sweetest thing. 

These are big films like she's a big name as far as I'm concerned, and I I just think that. What she has done with this documentary? Because it's it's not only just I tried this. It's like I'm doing this and you get to see like a lot of stuff. It's it's very confronting and she's pretty ******* awesome and it's interesting. Like you've seen some other actors that have suffered from Ms as well. Christina Applegate. Jack Osborne it's it's it's a big deal and I just think that anyone who shines a light. On what it's like to live with disability and not just. Surface stuff like to really go deep and see what life is like for people day to day that have to live with it. Cause like I've always said like it's always the convenient disability that we wanna look at to make us feel good where it's like, OK, yes. But I've donated and that makes me feel good. But that doesn't do for people who have to live with it day to day like yes, it contributes to research and developing. Cures and all of those sort of things, maybe making something more accessible, but at the end of the day, those people still go to bed at night having to face the reality of what they dealt with. That day, and what they maybe have to deal with tomorrow anyway, that's a bit much. Sorry a little bit deep bit ranty you know what I'm like that always happens. 

Hi Grey, I think she's. She's got a she's got a child. I think she's she's a single mum, isn't. She and like she's. Dealing with all of that, but then to also. Allow this view into everything that she's going through in the hopes of helping other people and shining a. Light on it. Like that's that's incredible. 

From a generation of people that aren't used to, I guess living their stuff out publicly and on the Internet and all that sort of stuff, unlike this person as part of our hatches, matches and dispatches clue. Who was born this time 20 years ago on the 20th of January? Who said this? 

It's hard to watch you fall again, because now I have to play pretend, and it's basically like you're watching somebody that you have feelings for. Yeah, for somebody else. And they don't know that you like them. Yeah. And so you're kind of. Like I don't like. You. Yeah, I don't like. That I don't feel that way about you, but you do. 

Do you remember when you had those kind of problems? 

That which is not. 

No, no. 

Problems at all, like problems now are like mortgage. 

I've bought too many pairs of snap pants between December and January. What am I? 

Have I packed the? School lunches. It's Sunday night and it's like 10:00 and I haven't done the school lunches or in the uniforms yet. These are the these are the problems. 

Gonna do now. Yes, I need to wash my mouth guard or I'm gonna catch something. 

Yeah, but you've got this 20 year old guy just going. 

It's hard to watch you fall again, because now I have to play pretend, and it's basically like you're watching somebody that you have feelings for. Yeah, for somebody else. And they don't know that you like them. Yeah. And so you're kind of like, I don't like you. Yeah, I don't like that. I don't feel that. Way about you, but you do. 

Oh, hard enough. Cup, mate. How's it feel to be 20 years old and a complete soft? Seriously. Come on. Come on, come on. You know what, mate, why don't you take the long walk up to the top of husband Hill and tell. Me. What the? Views like from there any, yes, yes. 

Alex Sampson, if that was your answer. That is all. I look good on him and I think you need to leave him alone. He's a pop singer from Canada. 

I'm just jealous, honestly. 

He worked for the. Grocery store stacking shelves. 

Well, then, OK, if he's worked in a. 

And cleaning listening. To Shanice, I love your smile and trying to get people to contribute an extra few cents to. 

If you're working, yeah. 

If you're working. 

The charity of choice. 

In a grocery store stacking shelves and you're you're pretty hard to kill in a hostile over. I I worked in a grocery store stacking shelves and at the time, Jenny Morris was big in the chart. 

Yes, good solid roots. 99. Yes, yes, Jenny. What was the song? 

And I had to listen to so much Jenny Morris. Ohh, she's got to be love, yeah. 

She's got to be loved and I'll also. 

And break in the weather. 

And also all I wanna do is have a little fun is that Sheryl Crow before I die, that that played a lot. 

For the very first time. Sheryl Crow. Yeah, no. 

When I worked the grocery shop. 

In in particular, it was Jenny Morris, and it was those two songs and breaking the weather, yeah. 

She's got the love I. Think I've got. Well then I just set. I can play it. 

For the very first time. 

Now that we've set. 

Yeah. So and you know that hardened me that toughened me up for later on in life, so he's gonna be he's gonna be OK if he sees that person. He's got a crush on for for somebody else, cause he's worked in a grocery store. 

Well, that's will that. Prepay it, Alex. He's probably grocery store. I know. And then he started writing songs in his bedroom and he uploaded covers on TikTok in early 2019 and then became best known for this song. All that we could have been. 

That we could have been. 

Only 17 years of age when he recorded that, yes. 

Really. Wow, I was working in a supermarket with US 17. 

Good on you. Years service singing Jenny Morris. He's singing his own song. So you shut up his song, play pretend and Blind also were quite big. He's earned over 3.4 million fans on his TikTok Channel, and his music has been streamed over. 

That can just, yeah. 

To be rough. 

50 million times has over 650,000 followers on the Insta and 330,000 on the YouTube. But what I like, I had a look at this so I didn't. I Full disclosure know who he was, but I played the song. I thought that's alright and then I read the comments and. 

It's a lot of clout. 

People like him. Because he's wholesome. So here's a few of. 

Rice clean cut, yeah. 

The comments. Comment number 10 percent drugs 0% half ***** *****, 0% alcohol 100. Percent song that goes to the. Art and in the head. 

Ohh, they're so wholesome this singer. 

:) with heart, eyes :) with heart, eyes :). 

I This is why I worry about. Them though, because they're just. 

Next comment. 

They just haven't, you know. 

Alex, exclamation mark as a teacher that tries to encourage students to listen to more appropriate music, it's refreshing to hear an artist I can recommend. All caps. Thank you, exclamation mark. God bless and stay true to who you are. You obviously have a huge fan base. 

OK. 

I wouldn't take a teachers recommendation, yeah. 

Your your career's over. You've been endorsed by teachers, mate. Everything that everybody wants to rebel against and they're endorsing you. They're like, why don't you go and listen to some Alex? What's his name? Samson. Yeah. Why don't you go listen to him? And it's like. Well, they're gonna do the opposite. 

While you do your signpost maths homework, don't read. 

Ohh God. 

The answer page you deserve. More fame than you currently do. 

Is this the teacher still saying? 

And I know this is another one. I think they, they mean you deserve more fame than you currently have not currently do you all songs are touching. They don't involve drugs and inappropriate things. Sorry I'm late to this song. I just found you two days ago. But I already know you. 

Right. 

Deserve more. Ohh God, it's all cyclical. OK, like this wholesome plain cup thing. Is is this? 

Is 17 year old Alex. I don't know what 20 year old Alex is up. 

Well, he he has to be wholesome, clean cut now. I mean, look. What happened to all? The pop stars that we, we. You listen to that were wholesome and clean cut, like eventually they they go off the rails, they go off the rails. 

Like Milli Vanilli, look. What? Happens. Yes, I know. Don't. 

They go off the rails. I like I I I weep for your future. Alex Sampson. But happy birthday for now. 

Just blame it on the. Rain. Ohh God. 

You had to do it, didn't you? Had to. Put in another bloody Milly Vanilly reference in there. 

Can't wait till it arrives. 

Record player are you playing? It on yours. Mine. OK. I'll be sitting at the foot of Husband Hill weeping. Thank you very much. Thank you very much for tuning in for downloading, for doing whatever you do these days. I don't know. Alex Sampson would probably be able to explain it to you better, but we do appreciate your patronage on the podcast, don't we? Yes, thank you. I'm, I'm not entirely sure what's coming up next week. We're still getting back on the horse, you know, new podcast. 

Thank you very much. 

To us, not really. Same stuff, but a different year. But there will be some things next week will. 

There not there will be. Let me just open up on this day and go to this. What? What's for next week? What's next week? Can you tell me? 

Sure, just a brief overview. Well, this week was the 18th to the whatever of January. So what's 18 + 7 to the 24th, 25th of Jan? 

What did we end on the 24th? So we'll start at the 25th. 

Straight day. 

20 ohh alright oh oh I know. 

Australia Day we're. Gonna be looking at everything that's been happening, yeah. 

I know what's. You know how we spoke about? Spirit, yes. The spirits. Twin Yep. Opportunity lands on Mars. 

Land of miles. What about Australia day? Something about Steve Irwin. Surely crocodile Hunter didn't he? Didn't he lose his title? 

I don't know well. There was a golden. No, that was that happened when we were on summer. Break. We've already talked about. That so we were in. 

It's not don't they do Australian of the year on Australia. 

Though ohh no well he was nominated but didn't get it. Didn't. Ohh I don't know. 

Just to just to excuse us, ladies and gentlemen, while we live workshop, the next episode, did they? Excellent. Yep. 

Golden Globes happened, yes. And yeah, he's released by Usher and Luda and Little John. 

Ohh wonderful Ludacris. Excellent, great, awesome. Alright, alright, that's this. Yes, thank you. Thank you everybody, for listening once more. I I was nearly lost for words. I'm just eternally grateful. And you know what else I'd be eternally grateful for is if we took the Golden Globes. 

OK, iconic is that enough? Can I stop rolling now? Yes. Good. Yes, I think you've already said that. OK. 

To husband Hill, that would be great. Thanks very much. We'll see you next week. 

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