Nipplegate - the Superbowl scandal from all angles

It's the biggest story of 2004 so far, the moment when the world was seemingly more shocked by Justin Timberlake exposing Janet Jackson's nipple at the Superbowl Halftime Show than anything a little old war in the middle east could deliver. We take a look at it from all sides 20 years later. 

Meanwhile over at Harvard University as student by the name of Mark Zuckerberg took his first step to world domination when the Facebook launched. 

In music we've got songs from the Scissor Sisters and Shannon Noll cries out from second place in Australian Idol "What about me?" It really isn't fair.

And if that isn't enough adrenaline for one episode we discuss the delights of rail travel as the Ghan makes its inaugural trip across Australia. 

And whole bunch more! 
 

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The year is 2004. Your polyphonic ringtone habit is sending you broke. George W Bush is sworn in for a second term, and in spite of everything going on, the most controversial thing is a wardrobe malfunction at the Super Bowl. T -, 20 rewind 20 years with Joe and Mel. 

Week of 1 February 2004. 

The rest is hello. You know what? I'm very forgetful. 

There. Stop trying to make fetch happen. 

You're fired. 

This is harder than I thought. 

It would be hello, Americans. 

Let's roll. 

Yes, let's roll out another week. That was 20 years ago, throwing back rewinding. In fact, that's the catch phrase that I should be using. That's more on Brandon. When did I start doing throwing back? That's just not a thing. It's interesting. Yeah. I don't know at this time. 

That's that tagline. I don't know. What are you? Go back Thursday. What are you Instagram? No. 

Yeah. Ohh, too much alliteration. Anyway, this time 20 years ago. It's t -. 20 the podcast where we do do all that rewinding stuff with you. 

No, no official tagline. Stop. Rewind 20 years. Thank you. Hi. 

With your host Joe and Mel. Hello, Mel. Wow, I just got told. 

Glad we got that. Spent all that time on branding and then you just start throwing out hashtags from Instagram. Lazy. What about you? 

Oh jeez. It really isn't. Yeah. This week we're talking about Shannon Noel doing this the the, the big single that broke. 

Thou thee. Him. Yes, we are talking one to seven February 2004. We haven't actually. He clarified that but yes, noisy, nosey is in the charts. Thank goodness. 

Yes, after a flight he was robbed, but I think it turned out for the better, for nosey. 

Cause he was robbed. He was. Anyway, yes, I think so too. 

It's an online directory that connects people through universities and colleges through their social networks. There you sign on, you make a profile about yourself by answering some questions, entering some information such as your concentration or major at school. People's contact information about phone numbers. 

Yeah, cool. An online directory. How groundbreaking. 

Sounds like the Yellow Pages. 

That was 1 Mark Zuckerberg talking about the Facebook. 

A very young Zuck, yes. 

A young Zak. 

My decision to change the Super Bowl performance was actually made after the final rehearsal. MTV, CBS the NFL had no knowledge of this whatsoever. 

Well, Janet Jackson issuing apology. We're going to get straight into that after we do all of. 

Full disclosure, there's gonna be a lot of ****** content in this show. 

This other stuff. There is, yes, and and so, you know, parental guidance definitely recommended, but there only. 

Much discussion about foods, yes. 

*****. You'll you. Hope it's alright, it's alright, but it was a very controversial thing that we'll get to very shortly. Another thing that's been a bit controversial for me is the fact that I've become a stage dad. 

It wasn't stage mum, really. 

I'm not a stage mum, I'm a stage dad. OK? Yeah. Look, dog training starts this week. That's the first thing. And and I I I I take our dog to training under duress. I love our dog so much. She's the apple of my eye and I'm her favourite. 

Yes, you are her favourites. 

And I really like. I just adore dogs. I have to have a dog in my life at all times. I I adore them. They fulfil an emotional need for me and hopefully I fulfil some kind of need for them. I think I do. I mean, I'm a favourite. Yes. So dog training starts up again this week and our dog is the naughtiest dog in the class, and I'm repeating for starters, we're repeat. 

I think you repeating the time now, isn't it third time? 

Yeah, I've decided that she's not quite ready to graduate yet. I can't trust her off off the lead as much as I'd like to. I mean, I kind of can, but she's a hunting dog, and she has an instinct to chase birds. Yes. 

In this small. 

We train the dogs, there's there is a community of swallows that constantly fly around the Oval. So I'll be in the middle of doing something and it should just take off, which is terrible. But I'm also taking her. 

There's lots of birds. 

Her to her first photo shoot, and I'm hoping that she passes the audition so. 

Are you gonna give her a tan? She's gonna have a dance tan for. A photo shoot. 

No, I'm just gonna give her a bath. But our our local, our local butchers, who I'm a massive fan of big fan of these butchers. And this is what it's come to. I'm 46 years old and I used to get excited by. 

Yes, the brush juice. 

Bands and music and all of that sort of rich cultural stuff. Now I get excited. By butcher shops. Meat, meat in particular. Yeah. And and how I can smoke it and cook it and do all sorts of wonderful things. Yes. And this particular book shop makes the best meat around, I reckon. Anyway, they're they're they're launching a line of pet food. Hmm. So all the off cuts they're making pet food out of. 

Yes, nice. And stage momming. That's a really good idea. 

And they they put a call out for the cutest dog in the district. And of course, I might be biassed, but I think my dog is the cutest dog in the district. So. So Mildred's getting a bath and we're heading off to a photo shoot this week. 

I hope there's no. Birds because that could end badly. 

Yes, well, maybe I mean. 

What do you have to do with the photo shoot? Do you know? Does she? 

Look I. 

Have to sit still. Does she have to? 

I don't know and. 

Run around and does she have to eat the? Food and well. 

I I hope so, but I I I I don't wanna give. It's I'm not in the photos that I'm hoping I'm not. Yeah. 

A testimonial. Are you in the photos? OK. You're off to the side. And you're coaching her through. 

It. Yeah, I think so and cause she's. 

More teeth. More smile, Mildred. Yes. OK. 

Exactly, exactly. You know, spirit fingers will close or whatever you want to. But I don't really know what to expect and I am concerned. I am concerned that the naughtiest dog in training is gonna be the naughtiest. I don't even know if there's gonna be other dogs there. I so I'm. 

Wow. Will she have a makeover? Maybe they'll do like a style makeover before. 

The photo shoot. 

She can't be any more cute than what she already is, but I'm very nervous. I'm not sure what to expect and I am a little bit concerned. And about how I am going to respond to any criticism. 

Ohh, when they go, she's no she's not the cutest. 

Yes, I'll be like what do? 

You mean if she ends up on the cutting room floor? What if she doesn't make? 

How great you. 

It what if she doesn't make it? What are you gonna do? 

I'll be devastated. I'll have a diva fit. It's going to be bad. It's not going to end well. I'm going to have to start eating meat from Woolworths. 

Ohh dear. 

This is my life. This is what it's become. The hatches matches and dispatches clue. Of course. We're gonna revisit this at the end of the show. A celebrity who is having a birthday. Who said this? 

If you want to apologise to me, I'll talk to you. 

That's what I'm gonna be like. If if I don't get past the audition phase with the dog, I'll be like, they'll be like, listen, look, you did really well, but. And I'll be like. 

You want to apologise to me. I'll talk to you. 

That's very ******, isn't it? 

It is A and a star of a of a classic classic reality show. 

Yeah, that was full of dogs. 

Find out who that is at the. End of the show. 

You say when you reach a certain age that you become interested in meat, smoking, meat, war history. I've noticed a bit of a transition for you, so maybe you're reaching like next level old. You've become interested in like. Old people, tourism, you, you made me. This is this is our New Years. Instead of staying up watching the fireworks, you made us watch. 

Yeah, great. Great services. 

User generated content of cruise ships, so not the promo videos. It's people that have been on the cruise ship. That's right, who aren't natural born presenters taking us through and making us feel a bit sick because of the way that they feel. Yeah, I feel like you've entered next level old person. 

He had travelled once. 

And I think this story here I'm a bit reluctant to discuss it because I think this will then become your next project. 

My next my next project, well, I just after we talked about the Queen Mary. Yes, the Cunard cruise line the ohh sorry, the ocean liner I and I I sort of said a lot of things about it, you know not having a lot to do with that. Well, there's all that. But then I became interested. I. Was like oh. I know maybe that would be nice if it's OK. Do you know what it is? Do you know what it actually is? But do you know what it actually is? I'm really tired. 

That took about whole New Years and I think a few nights after that. 

And I need. A break. I just wanna break, that's all. I don't care what it is. I don't care if it's a cruise. I don't care if it's just sitting on a beach reading a book. I don't care. I don't care if it's sitting in an airport waiting lounge just for a quick trip away. I just need to. I need to get away. 

Well, how do you feel about that? Trains the first of Feb 2004, the first gun passenger train across Australia. I feel like you'd be interested in this from Australia. I just say gone again, sorry I said the wrong thing. 

Not great. Again, yeah. Yeah. Gone. Ohh. You probably said it properly, but we're Australian, so we call it the gan, yeah. 

Again from Australia, sorry from Adelaide through to Darwin, the inaugural journey three day journey. 

Yeah. On the train, yeah. 

Of the year. 

I used to catch the train from Mittagong to Campbelltown and sometimes to Sydney to central station to go to the movies. 

I don't think that's. Equivalent of the gain. 

It's not a great time. It wasn't a great time, no. 

Was there a lot of tagging a? Lot of graffiti. 

There was a lot of tagging on the trains past Campbelltown, yes. 

And there's a smell trying to have a. Smell those trains. 

That was the red rattler. Back then, it wasn't even the the newer trains, it was the. Old Red rattler trains. 

Voice smells like someone's gone away. 

Yeah, they do have a kind. Of a P yeah. Old person smell. Yeah. So that really appeals to me at this age. Yeah, the vegan is. That's that's. 

OK. 

Lux. That's lux travel. 

Yes, it travels nearly 3000 kilometres, takes around 50 hours through the Red Centre and the Outback. And yes, 1st of February 2004 was its first journey. 

You have. 

It was 2000 and. Four. God, I thought I'd be going on for ages before that. 

Of course, everything is inclusive now. Our drinks, our food, is even. Our tours are as well. So we have tours in Alice Springs. There's free tours there to choose from, and there's also tours available when you get Catherine. It gives you a chance to go and have. A look at the Catherine George. Our chefs do an incredible job here. They're always busy. We've got two shows looking for about 100. People so it's non stop. They are in a very confined space and obviously you're on a moving train the whole time, so they've gotta have the right attitude in there and thankfully, I think we've got the right people. For the job. It's a lovely way to do it. There's large rooms, lots of things to look out of the windows. You have two large windows to look out and flatten them and the. Services section to none. It's not just a trip. It's definitely an adventure. It's a good ticket. Ohh. 

Do you think on this one because it sounds hosh do you think when you go to the bathroom though, it's still just falls down a hole onto the trap? 

Sign me up, yeah. Off to the tracks, maybe crying, do you? 

Have a problem with. That I have a real problem. 

With just pretty sure. 

That it's going on the tracks. 

Like just some kind of processing or something like that. 

Yeah, I hope. 

So, well, that's another reason to stay away from the railway tracks, kids. 

Interesting that you say that you thought it had been around for a lot longer because construction on the line began in 1878. Hooked up with Alice Springs in 1929. Back then, the remaining leg of the journey, if you wanted to go on the journey, the last leg, you'd have to jump on a camel. Ohh really the camels took you the rest of. The way right that. 

Is that? 

Would be an uncomfortable trip on a camel. 

Well, that would be that would be more an adventure than what they were describing in the promo there, because once again, much like a cruise ship all to do like they like you've got two windows. You can look out and eat heaps of food for three days. 

We'll ride a camel. 

And take, well, you're not riding a camel anymore, cause it goes straight through. But there is a drinks package and that appeals to me. Yes, I think I could. 

Not the face. 

Could have fed dent in the drinks package in three days. 

This was the first time a passenger train had crossed the Australian continent from South to north for the inaugural journey. There were 330 passengers on board and they had a four hour stopover in Alice Springs, so offered it offered classes of service platinum, which is the most luxurious. 

Is that all just four hours? The the Ducks nuts where you get 2 windows. 

Where you get a cabin? OK, you get an ensuite bathroom. 

And so, you know, I I'd want the ensuite bathroom, especially with the drinks package. Hmm. 

That's not going on the tracks. Gourmet dining and access to exclusive lounge. Gold service had a choice between twin cabins or single cabins, all inclusive meals in the Queen Adelaide restaurant. Hmm. And red Service red, isn't that you? Said the. Other trains were. 

Ohh, the red rattlers. No, that's a completely different, completely different. 

Ohh OK good. More economical, reclining seats for travel and bunk beds for overnight journeys. For the inaugural journey, some guests paid $12,000 per ticket and the standard price at that time was around 17,000. So 12, not 17 thousand 1700, sorry so. 

12 grand. 

Gee whiz. 

12,000 crazy. 

Yeah, you're not. You're not jumping the turnstiles at the railway station for that. 

Are you in 2004? 

Want to evade that? Fair. Imagine the fine. My God. 

The the company that runs at Great Southern Railway appointed the crocodile hunter, Steve Irwin, as the ambassador of the gain and they even named a a locomotive after him. But it wasn't on the inaugural journey cause it had a crash in port. 

Really. Crikey. 

Macquarie and was being fixed unfortunately soon. 

It's too. 

Mike ran the South Australian Premier, Gough and Margaret Whitlam. Were on board. In the Prince of Wales parish. 

Ohh good. Steamed company, yes. 

Also on board were Anne and Bill Washell from the Mornington Peninsula. They won a prize in 1982 to travel on the inaugural journey so. 

Geez, they've been waiting since 1980. 

Two for them to finish the bloody tracks. Get rid of the camels so they could go. 

Ohh so they could catch their voucher in. 

They could. 

Catch their prize 22 years later. 

That's gotta be the longest. Redemption for a gift voucher ever. Yeah. 

You'd lose. You'd lose the voucher. You'd be able to hang on to something for 22, the ticket for 22 years. 

They're lucky that they. I mean, they're lucky they lived long enough to. 

They sound old. Yes. So they did well, they were both still there. They collected and they jumped on and. And I quote, it's fabulous. It's marvellous. Missus Warshall said. 

Yeah, they do. 

Good on you, Anne and Bill. Jeez, just imagine. If you've rocked up and you're like, so inaugural journey, yes, we have a gift voucher. 

Like, yeah. 

From when 1982? 

12 months expiry date come on. 

Good God, that's ridiculous. 

I love that. And then it ended obviously in the NT, in Darwin and hundreds of residents turned out to watch it make the final leg of the three day journey. They had a banner, you know, like at the football. So the. Train drove. 

Ohh. Went through the banner. Ohh God to worry. 

That was exciting. And if you look at the crowd, there's a lot of people there drinking tinnies. And apparently a lot of them decided to Chuck a moon. 

Ohh, at the train as it. 

How Australian, as it went past, dropped the Dax, chucked the move at the at the Garden game. 

Was John, how are you? How uncouth. So drink the tinies. They wouldn't be drinking tinnies on the GAM Crown lager all the way. 

No, no, that's I love that. That's just so Australian. And I'm gonna, hey, that trains coming all the way from the other side of Australia. Let's go. Let's go and let's Chuck a. 

It's it. 

Moon at it. Is it a bucket list? To Chuck mooners. 

Would you know to Chuck a moon at the gym? Maybe to go on the GAM? Would you? Are you interested? I don't know that I am either. Not for $12,000. 

Ohh to go on it, no. No. Well, these days I looked up the website and it's between. 

Ohh you looked up the website. 

Well cause I wanted. To know what the price was. 

Any good travel vlogs on YouTube we can binge later on tonight? 

Oh my God. No, it doesn't even have a water slide. What? See, I'm the cruise ships. Have water slides. 

Yeah, they've got much more exciting things like Go Kart tracks. And all the slides. 

Last time, last time I caught a train to Queensland there was a guy that had just gotten out of gaol who was sitting. 

Right. Yeah, yeah. 

On the seat next to me. And he was quite he was quite stressed and pedantic and. My mother pointed out some waterfowl and called them the correct the incorrect name, and he turned around and yelled at her and told. Her they're brolgas. They're brolgas. So I yeah, I don't know. I don't know if rail rail. Travels with me. 

That's not the game though. That's that's that's like the XPT that Queensland or something doubles sort of prison transport. I mean, that's the thing. Cruise ships, you know, go Kart tracks, rock climbing walls, indoor skydiving, all of these wonderful things began for. 

There's probably no prisoners on it in the year. Yeah, well, that pretty much. Yes, that's what. That's what it was. Food and booze. 

Premium you get 2 parking windows and an on suite. 

Wow. But it look, it's no apparently it is fabulous. It is. It's the. The scenery is amazing and I think anywhere from between about 1000 to 3000, depending on what you want and what you want included the drinks and the the sleeping carriage, the. 

To have it like a power outlet for my CPAP mask cause I reckon I'd sleep really well on that journey. I reckon you'll you always sleep well on the train. Yeah, that's. 

Off show. I was fall asleep. On the train safer when I'm sitting next to a prisoner. But other than that, yes. 

You just fall asleep. With the rattling of the train, it's. Wonderful. Alright, look, let's get to the news story. 

Very therapeutic. Yeah. Look, let's move from Australians chucking a moon at the gas to some more nudity. 

Yes, please please. This is the story that everybody that people were talking about this story years on from it occurring. 

They're still talking about. 

Exactly. It was the biggest news event of 2004, in spite of all the other stuff that's going on, like the promo says. 

It hmm. 

The wardrobe malfunction that shocked the world, otherwise known as nipplegate. Hmm. So let's set the scene. It's the Super bolt. 

OK, it's the Super Bowl. There's a lot of X's and V's. What number was it? 

I can't remember, but it's in Houston, TX. The Patriots playing the Panthers. 

Reliant stadium. 

Reliant stadium? Yes, it's before they had NRG Stadium, so there's a Reliant stadium. 

Half time show this time round is produced by MTV. I think this. It's the first time MTV has produced the half time entertainment. 

And I will say probably the last as well. 

I feel. Like you're correct there and this is an election year 2004. So they wanted to theme it around motivating and encouraging the young people to vote. I don't know how they did it. Through the various acts in the halftime entertainment, I think maybe before the acts. 

They're encouraging people to vote. 

I think maybe before the entertainment started, there might have been a screen and maybe a few celebs like vote. Please vote. You should vote, vote go on, vote election vote. 

Some pre promotion. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Yeah, because there's. Hmm. Yeah. OK. 

But that's not in the replay issue. 

Maybe they should have shown a box instead of a Kitty. Anyway, because you tick them when you're. 

Voting. I didn't know that the halftime show cause I've I've only ever just watched the moment like most people, and I didn't care for the Super Bowl back then or the half time entertainment I've only ever started watching it recently with you because you're interested in it. Umm, I didn't care for it back in 2000, so I've only ever seen the steel. Lots of of what happened at the end, but there was more. I I thought it was just Justin and Janet, but it wasn't. 

Ohh no, it was an extravaganza. They it really was. 

Was an. There was P Diddy. Nelly Kid Rock. Just simps, Janet and Justin. So let's let's let's set the scene. It starts. It starts with Jessica Simpson in a marching band Esque outfit like the hat and a skimpy outfit and the feathers and she counts us in. 

Barely. Yeah. You're gonna do it. It's blow by blow. OK, so to speak? Yes. 

Choose two. 

Ohh, there's the choose thing is choose to party. 

That's that's all she does. So she's listed on. She's listed in that in the entertainment, but all she just does is yell for a second. All she does is just yell. 

Well, that's not really on message. 

For a second and then. 

But they wanted to choose to vote, and she just went choose to party. So just blew the key message straight out the window. 

Go on. Don't vote. Don't get smashed. 

Choose to party. Don't worry about voting. Choose to party. OK, good, right. 

But that was. I like the way you move done by marching band. That sounded quite good. I didn't mind that. 

Yeah, was good. Was a good start off to a good start I would suggest. 

Right. 

Jessica Simpson didn't sing either. Which? Is probably even better, yeah. She's gone. That's the only appearance she makes. Yep. 

$10 million. Thank you, Janet. Pops out from behind the curtain, singing all for you. So that was a big song, 2002, 2003. 

Yes, yes. And they're they're alluding to, I think what's to come at the finale. 

Well, there's a lot of there's, there's a fair. 

Bit of **** touching happening in. 

There's a lot of hands on. Breasts. Yes. Covered breasts. 

There was a guy behind her. And he looked like he was just sort. Adjusting in a. 

I remember. Have you had that album too, where there was the? 

Way this is. 

Hands on the breasts, yes. Yeah. 

She had her hands in the air and there was someone behind her covering her boots cans. 

A blokes hands on a. Yeah. Yes. 

Yeah, it. 

Was it was quite racy for the time that was like, no. 

Yeah. Well, I mean, I mean, the writing's on the wall here. Do you know what I mean? These are all the warning signs. 

OK, so there's a there, we've already got, we've we've had Jess simps in a skimpy outfit. We've got some **** touching during all for you. Diddy comes out with his bad boy for life and then part way through there's some. Ohh Diddy, you're so fine. You're so fine. You blow my mind. 

So hot. 

So then they they bring out the did he's doing his thing, did he didn't do much either though, really. 

We'll go some Diddy. And then they go to Nelly. Diddy Diddy's ugly dancing, you know. He does that. He's like his dancing is the ugliest dancing I have ever seen. He looks like his. 

Yeah, he just wanted to dance. 

It's like his joints aren't kind of clicking in properly. 

Isn't it? Isn't that called popping and locking in the OK? 

No, it's not. It's not. It's it's ugly, it's very unattractive. And I think you should do something about it anyway. So then Nelly comes in. 

Right. 

Well, he was wearing a big, heavy, thick fur coat as well, so it's kind of limited in what he. 

And he's doing his. And then Nelly comes out. Whoa, Nelly. In a in a tank. Top I forgot how ripped Nelly was. Thank you very much. So, but there. There's cheerleaders behind Nelly while he's doing hot in her and they're wearing tank tops and a skirt, right? And then halfway through, like they're working around. 

Calm yourself. 

They rip off their tank tops and skirts. And they're just wearing like short shorts and crop tops. So again, here we go, ripping some clothes off. 

Skirts and shirts. 

So you know, I mean really surprised they've ripped their clothes off and then they keep dancing. Diddy comes back, he does some more of that ugly Diddy dancing. 

But he doesn't, did he? Doesn't actually. Do anything on the microphone. 

Did he? No. Did he sang? Did he? Sang did he? Well, he started with. 

Ohh I can't remember. OK. Yeah, sure. 

Bad boy for life. And then he went to something. Then they did the I don't know what they want from me. More money, more. No money. More problems, no. 

At this at this stage. Ohh right at this stage I'm in the toilet. OK, I'm in the toilet because I've I wanna pee and get ready for the second half. 

Money. No problems. But you would have no you would have come running out really quickly and kicked your toe on the coffee table. Cause kid. Rock came out you like. Kid Rock, he. Comes out and he's dressed as a pimp. He's got like a pimp. Hat he's got a. Big coat. And then he rips off his coat and he's turned an American flag into a poncho, right? Resulted in a few angry letters. 

Little bit, that's desecration. 

Well, yes, Super Bowl. That's right. 

Show like the floor New York, Texas. 

Look at this stage. I feel like it's spiralling down a little bit. This performance is spiralling down and we actually need to restore some dignity. To the half time performance and I think that you need to bring Janet Jackson back into the fold. 

Bring bring the sensible. 

And and actually do some classic Janet, yes. 

Well, classic Janet. Occurs. She comes back out and she performs rhythm Nation. So thank you for saving the day back to what was that 90s, early 90s with the nation we are. 

Very empowering, inspiring song, yes. Yeah, we are a part of a rhythm nation. You've been a unity going on here. 

Yeah, there's people hanging off scaffolding and all kinds of things. She is wearing at. So this is I didn't even know any of this had occurred. Really. No, I all I knew was the bit at the end. So we've we've had a lot. There's a. 

OK. 

Lot that. Happened Janet comes back out. 

It's a bit going on. It's they cram a lot. It's like 15 to 20 minutes. I mean, it's a long half time break. This is completely changed the course of the game, which I find frustrating because, you know, it's basically like starting another game of football again when you get back on the second half but. 

Anyway, carry on. She comes out. She's wearing. OK, her outfits? Kind of. It's hard to describe because it looks like she's wearing. Kind of like this long sleeved pleather leather skirt over jeans thing. 

Since I'm selling out of Pirates of the Caribbean. 

It's it's kind of staying punky. It's kind of bit gothy, but what it actually is is a body suit, like a black shiny leather bodysuit closely. And it's got a red bra underneath, but then it connects to like it goes up high on the neck like a skivvy. It's got long sleeve. 

Sounds like a corset corset. Yeah. 

It's got long hanging bits, and then she's got some. Pants, but there's the. Corset. That's the most important. We've got the corset. 

So is the black light, of course, not. White puffy shirt under the closet, no. 

No, no, no. Just so there's cut outs. So there's cutouts above the breasts, corset cutouts above the breast, red Lacy bra just poking out the. 

Right. There's cutouts. OK, yes. You can sort of see underneath. Yeah. I'm. I'm hearing you. 

Top just a little little bit suggestive. 

Know classy knots. So then, then she's done rhythm Nation, and we're all like ohh my gosh, yes, I forgot you are such an icon. Forget all for you. We're part of a rhythm nation, black cat. All of that classic Janet. And we're just reliving the good times. The good 90s vibes and then this clown pops up from under the stage beatboxing. 

All of us, and we are all. Part of a rhythm nation. 

Five time. 

I just want to point something out here. At this stage you have heard the crowd going absolutely berserk in the background there, right? If you watch the video of the performance, yes, the crowd are not going. That is, they have piped that sound in. They have piped the crowd noise in to sound like they're all going bananas when most of them are getting out of their seats, stretching their legs, going for a **** and a hot dog. 

The guy, can you not beat with that Super Bowl? We don't beatbox at the soup. Not appropriate. And don't throw away. Yeah. Also, he's not live beatboxing his lip, syncing to his own beatbox is. 

He yes. 

He slips, syncing to his own. 

Beatboxes he. Yeah, that's the that's. 

What? Oh my goodness. 

The exact beatboxing from the CD. 

There it it did. Look, look, it did look a bit lip synching. I have to say that. 

That's not live beatboxing. There was number spittle flying out. 

Kid Kid Rock was live. He was definitely live. Maybe was Janet. No. Well, just but all she did was squawk. Let's get this party started. Or some. 

I think he was the. 

Only one that was. 

Ohh Jessica was live with her screaming. Crap like that. Yeah, but you know you. Don't wanna go. 

OK so. 

Wrong. Well, anyway, let's move on. Right. So they have history. OK, so they he was in *NSYNC and they performed. They were the opening. Act for a tour. 

Hey Janet. They toured me right. There's two of those. Yep. 

In the late 90s, so they know each other. They know each. So back back to the beatboxing, beatboxing, and then they go into rock your body, and watching it back. Now, it's kind of weird because. She's just sort of kind of strutting around the stage with him. She's not performing, she's finished. She's done rhythm nation. Fine. She's kind of lip sticking the talk to me, boy, but she's not actually singing it. And there's just this sort of backwards and forwards choreographed walking around, yeah. 

She's kind of doing backups for her backup folks. 

And then all of a sudden, he's dancing around. And then he. 

Stops. Well, this is the end of the song, right? This. Is the end of the song, yeah. 

We're getting towards the end, getting very close to the end. He suddenly stops. He looks a little awkward. Yeah. And then we all know. What happens at the end of this song? 

Well, it's it's the line. He goes gonna have you naked by the end of this song and then. He grabs the the. 

He grant so he uses his left hand and he grabs at her right **** and he. 

Rips. Yeah. 

Rip the corset and he rips not only the corset, but the red. Brah, bit underneath the corset, so there's also like it. It looks a little awkward and it looks like he's kind of thinking through it, and he's not too sure. And maybe this wasn't part of rehearsal, but also he's right handed and he's reached across with his left hand. And you know, when you try to do something with the opposite hand, that's always awkward. You reckon? Yes. 

Ohh, it looked pretty choreographed to me. I have to say. 

It looked no, that bit looked really clunky. It looked clunky cause like if it was part of. 

Do you think? 

A dance move. You would have done something a bit more rhythmic with your arm and he just does this awkward reach across and kind of grab and and then he looks shocked. She puts her hands over her **** and I think we saw we saw a ******. It was called a starburst ****** shield around a ******. 916th of a second. Nine sixteenths. Of a second what was on TV 4IN front of 140 million viewers? 

Yes, it was on the TV for. Yeah. And it was kind of it wasn't. It wasn't like a close up of her chest. It was like a sort of a. I don't know. It was. It was from a distance. You could kind of say. 

You just you saw it flop out and you saw her put her hand over it, but. 

You didn't. 

This Janet Janet Jackson's ***** flopped out at that stage in her career. 

It kind of fell a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. OK. It sort. 

I think they bounced out. 

Of bounced. Out there was a bit of gravity involved. But when you watched it, she you didn't really see too much because she quickly put her hand over it. It's only the still shots now that are all across the Internet where you see where you can actually see close ups. People have obviously done still shots and zoomed in and you see the ****** shield and you see the nip and you see everything. And so he looks up, he's got the. 

Oh yes. 

Corset and the red lace in his hand and he's kind of looking a little orcs and then they cut away and then they. Do the firework display. 

It's a very detailed explanation of something that takes place in a matter of seconds. It is extremely quick and yeah, the fireworks all go off and and 140 million people are watching it. And the outrage was phenomenal to the point where it became the biggest news story of the time for such a long time to come. 

And the world was waiting for a response from her, but she immediately flew out of Houston following her performance. Before the Super Bowl even ended. Her spokesperson then called the Reveal a malfunction of the wardrobe. It was not intentional, went on to say that Justin was supposed to pull away the bustier so the black part of the corset and leave the red lace bra, which was obviously also in his hand. She also then admits that neither MTV or CBS had any role or previous knowledge in the incident, saying that this was a late addition during their final rehearsal. 

My decision to change the Super Bowl performance was actually made after the final rehearsal. CBS The NFL had no knowledge of this whatsoever, and unfortunately the whole thing went wrong. In the end. I am really sorry if I offended anyone that was truly not my intention. 

That I call. The Bulls on all of this anyway. So she's been made to apologise there and take the fall for it. She's the only person that issued a statement after the fact as well. At this stage they had over 200,000 viewers of the Super Bowl contacting the FCC, the Federal Communications Commission in the state to complain about this performance. 

People, it's 9 sixteenths of a second of *** like, honestly. 

Hmm, well, there was one particular person that rang up, yes. Yeah. And I've got a copy of the recording of her here. 

Hello, FCC, this is Lois. One star. I'm just ringing up to complain about what I've just seen on the Super Bowl. I am absolutely shocked and appalled. And as far as putting a review on this performance and given the fact that I could see one star on that particular ******, it's one star. From me and an absolute disgrace. 

Alright. Well, that's just one example of, you know, particularly irate. I mean, and it's, you know, it's like I said over 200,000 complaints. The court documents revealed that actually in the end there was over 540,000 people, half a million people complaining with the FCC about it, although they're saying. That it was inflated by conservative and watchdog groups, who they then rallied. So they rallied a whole bunch of people to complain. They're like. 

Ah yes. 

Everybody, pick up your pitchforks and torches and call the FCC. We can't kinda have those ******* on our TV during the Super Bowl. 

The chairman, Michael Powell at the time, called the Nip Slipper classless, crass and deplorable stunts and promised to take further action. CBS has fined $550,000 by the FCC, which was the largest. The fine of its kind at the time and then following that I think, well, I think following that they upped the fine to something like 5 million to. 

That's a half million dollar ******. A $5 million. 

Yeah, to stop something like that happening into the future because they thought, well, you know, $550,000 as far as marketing and promotions goes, it's pretty cheap. So they were worried that people would copy that and pull other outrageous stunts, so they upped it to five mil after that. America Online was the sponsor of the half time entertainment, so that's obviously the Internet company. They paid around $10 million to sponsor. 

Yes, well, you know, like, Super Bowl advertising is big Dickies like. 

The entertainment. And I think that was part of the reason why they didn't cut the feed straight away, because they still had to play the sponsor credit at the end of the half time entertainment. So had that. 

This ****** brought to you by America one. 

Online. Well, everybody was trying to find it online afterwards there, there could have been a really nice crossover programme opportunity. But so I think the reason that they didn't cut the feed was because they had to play the sponsor credits. They then said, well, we've paid 10 million for this. We wanna refund from the NFL because we don't wanna align ourselves with this. The NFL then says, well, we're not gonna give you your money back. We're not responsible. CBS or MTV should actually reimburse you. McDonald's was also part of the sponsorship of the halftime entertainment. Interestingly said, it was inappropriate. But they decided to stick with Timberlake as their celebrity endorser because of all the, you know, that I'm loving. It was taken from a Justin Timberlake song. 

Well, and you know, if you turn their logo upside down, looks like a pair of *****. 

Ohh yes. 

Pretty saggy ones, big. 

Yes, that's still well, that's what happens if you have too many Big Macs, make your **** SAC. 

The NFL was upset that the Super Bowl then was overshadowed by the half time performance and they were extremely disappointed and said it was unlikely that MTV would produce another one. 

Well, they didn't. And and I think Viacom, which was the the parent company of MTV were very. Angry that that, that that addition to the Super Bowl performance cost them all of their future half time shows they hit back at Janet Jackson. She was blacklisted from any of me. I'd feel like she was made like a total scapegoat by this whole thing. And as a consequence it really affected her album sales, her airplay, all of that stuff, because they just didn't play her. Stuff and they're a big media company in the states. They also disinvited her to the Grammys. You can't come now. You can't. You got your Kitty out on the TV and you're not allowed to come to. The Grammys anymore. Janet, you? 

And your booba ban. 

She was gonna do a tribute to Luther Vandross at the Grammys. That's a big deal for her. That would have been a huge. 

Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. 

Justin also disinvited to the Grammys but somehow was able to meet with the executives and suck up to them and and apologise, and his band was lifted. 

Yeah, and he was allowed to go. How's that fair? 

Yeah, well, it's not really, but he was the Golden Boy at the time, and she was the pop star. That was kind of. 

Well, she was she on the way out? 

In the twilight of her career, perhaps. I mean, that's a harsh thing to say, I think. 

But she wasn't. She wasn't as popular as she was in. The 90s. 

It could have been plenty of life in the old dog, yet you just. Need to give her a chance? Really. 

But I think that the big question and I don't think to this day it's ever fully been answered was. Was it intentional or not? And who knew about it? So straight after the performance, her publicist at the time? No comment. Justin Timberlake. I'm sorry for what happened. The producer from MTV, who was also the first woman to produce a Super Bowl halftime show. There wasn't supposed to be any reveal. There should not have even been an action moment or anything ever ripped off. The body, the FCC chairman to this day, despite some ambiguity about who knew, I think we were relatively convinced that somehow those producing the show knew what was going to happen. Their story to this day was they have absolutely no idea and the artist just did this on their own. 

Look, I think it was intentional for sure. I absolutely think it was. And the big thing that makes me think it's intentional is the fact that. Her ****** was dressed up. She put something on her ****** like she had, like the big sunburst thing. It was a big thing. It looked like a ninja star on. 

There the body piercer weighed. Yes. So her stylist, Wayne Scott Lucas, a couple of days out from the performance went to a piercing shop in town and bought the Starburst ****** Shield. And according to the body piercer, he said. Watch the half time show. It's gonna be a surprise at the end. 

There you go. I die. Of course I knew it. That's enough validation for me, honestly. 

Then the body piercer and the tailor I think are the the key to this, this mystery. They're the ones that are that have unravelled it. So the tailor, so the corset. Remember the corset we talked about? That was kind of this outfit. That was taken to a tailor. A local tailor and he altered it, and so they interviewed the tailor. And they're like, what happened? What did you alter? Why? How the Taylor says I signed the papers with Miss Jackson, not to release anything at all. 

Not to release at all. 

Anything about the tailoring. So he was under a a confident and N an NDA confidentiality clause that you can alter this corset for Miss Jackson, but you can't tell anyone what you did or why. 

He's he's gotta it's embargoed. Non disclosure agreement, yes, yes. But don't tell anyone. So this is a massive conspiracy the likes of which we have never seen. This is like JFK all over again. I. 

Grace oh. 

I know, I know. I feel like murder, she wrote. Feel like Angela Lansbury right now. 

I think they're all in on it, I think, and I think the MTV producers. Would have absolutely known what was going on and probably. 

Encouraged it. Well, you saw the old Nelly. You're so fine ripping off their clothes, Kid Rock rips off rips off his pimp coat. There's a lot of **** grabbing like it just. It seems like the natural conclusion. Just. 

You have to. Everything. If you put it in the context too, like early 2000s, everything was hyper sexualised, then like *********** was almost mainstream. MTV was doing a lot of that sort of stuff. With like dating shows and things like that, you've got like that that I don't know. Like there's a lot of testosterone and oestrogen flying around in the air. Everything was very sexualised back then. And I think that that was just an extension of that. I I absolutely think that it was intentional and I'm pretty sure that there was more than one. Person involved the fact that Janet Jackson had to take the fall for it, I think is pretty appalling considering a lot of people would have been involved. I did the NFL know. About it, maybe not, but it's very easy for them to distance themselves from it after the. 

Maybe not. Fact. So her stylist, who bought the piercing is releasing a book I think. I don't think it's out yet. I tried to have a look. 

Of course he is. 

Called War Capital War slash drobe malfunction. 

Is that it's. 

Only about this is that. 

Or that this person was a a stylist to the stars and I think was on a reality show. And really that's all. 

There's a whole book. But that's the only thing anyone I mean. 

We're gonna read it for, isn't it? 

That's all anyone's going to read of it. No one gives. 

According to the stylist, hmm, the reveal had already been planned by Janet and her Cora. 

No graphic drives. 

Justin comes up to the stylist and he's all excited for his performance and he's like we gotta do something big. We gotta show something. We gotta make this happen. So the stylist says. 

OK, Justin, why don't you whip **** **** out? 

So the styler says to Justin, go practise your beatboxing and have a chat to Janet. You come and talk. I don't want anything to do with this. You go and talk. To Janet and see what happens. So as far as Justin knows, according to this stylist, it's Justin's idea because Justin wants to do something big and then goes to chat to Janet. But Justin doesn't know that Janet's already planned. It with the choreographer. 

Ohh, is that the style of story? 

This is the stylist version of events, so we don't know if this is legit. This makes sense though. He goes on to say that the stage lights were supposed to go dark at the moment that he tears away the top, so he tears the top fades to black. Everything's covered. 

Right. 

No one's really none the wiser. You just see a rip and then black. 

Then why would you? Why would you go and purchase a little star, a little ****** star to put on a ******? 

Apparently she wears them all the time. Apparently it's. 

Really, just even when you're doing like, you know, high intensity choreography at the Super Bowl, half that kind of gets in the way. Like there's an H&S, has it there. 

Not out of the. Ordinary but. 

You wanna stab yourself in the booze? 

That was supposed to be heavy naked by the end of this song on song, it was rip fade to black fireworks, dim fade to black. So it's the it's the person who did the lighting. 

Didn't fight to black. Evance or everything? 

'S fault then obviously. 

The you know the there was is the lone gunman on on the grassy Knoll. 

That's what it is. 

He also then took the fall because they turned it into this is a wardrobe malfunction which made it sound like there was something wrong with the integrity of his costumes. So he actually lost a TV deal and lost a lot of work. And he's saying, well, there actually wasn't anything wrong with the costume. It was meant to. Rip away we had it. Altered to do that, and if you watched, if you watch it back, there is a few points throughout Janet's. Where she's kind of touching around that area and I'm wondering if she's just trying to make sure. It's not going to fall off. 

Ohh before the big payment. 

Earlier. Yeah, there's a few points where there's a. Bit of **** grabbing. 

I'm gonna have to go back and look at it again. Now. I don't really want to. Yes, I do. Who am I kidding? Look, it just went on for a long time. A year after it, there were these tech guys from PayPal up in Silicon Valley there and they were getting dinner. And they're discussing the whole thing. Janet Jackson's press. This guy by the name of Chad Hurley. Stephen Chen. And jawed Karim. And they were like saying, oh, geez, it's really hard to find any footage of this incident. We can't find it anywhere. So in 2004 in February, there's no such thing as viral videos. You can't. You can't just go. Hey, Siri. Hey, Google, show me Janet Jackson's ****. So. It's like if you missed it and and you weren't taping the Super Bowl, you didn't see it and everyone was talking about it and and and all that sort of stuff. But if you didn't record it, like, no chance of. Doing it so, Karim tells USA TODAY in 2006 that they were. They were talking to each other about how cool it would be to have an online site for people to share that. Video it always. Comes back to sex and nudity on the Internet. Really. Oops. Yeah. I mean, they are. The world revolves around them, you know, and that. Is pretty much how YouTube was born. Hmm. Isn't that amazing? Even though it was thinly veiled with the first video being a trip to the zoo, the second thing was obviously the booth at the Super Bowl. Well, that definitely got the most hits and I think it still does to this day. It's ridiculous. So Justin Timberlake is interviewed retrospectively and he talks about the incident. 

Wow. Like we still haven't found the weapons of mass destruction. And everybody cares about this. This. I was sort of dumbfounded at how crucified the whole thing was. It's an understatement to say that. It was sort of unfair if you look, if you if you consider it 5050. I mean. I probably got 10% off the plane and that. I think that says something about society. You know, I think that America is harsher on women. And I think that. You know, unfairly harsh. Ethnic people. 

I like it how he's taken the president's defence. He's taken a leaf out of the book of his own president and he's he's used the weapons of mass destruction to divert attention from it. 

Ohh look over there. 

Ohh look he. 

Makes a good point because it's like really. This is the biggest thing that we care about right now. I get that. But there's no there's no acknowledgement of the role that he played within it, and he's saying ohh, it's unfair that, you know, she copped all the. Blame. But he's never accepted. He's not accepting any blame in what he's saying there is he. He's just going look over there at the weapons of mass destruction. I'll look at over society. They're they're they're mistreating her. 

Well, no. No, we wanna go to YouTube and look at videos of the weapon of mass seduction. That's what we wanna look at. Look, Janet actually comes clean. That comes clean. That's not the right word for it. She she has a tell all interview. This goes on for ages. Like I said, 2006 Janet finally breaks her silence after the apology. That's the only thing she kind of said about it. She breaks her silence in 2006. And she has a tell all interview with Oprah Winfrey. 

Do you think in any way that Justin Timberlake left you hanging out there? I am speaking to Miss Jackson. Do you? 

Well, all the emphasis was put on me, not on Justin and just Justin. We were friends. And and not that we we aren't now we haven't spoken but but I consider him a friend and I'm very loyal and friendship is very important. 

She didn't say anything. Then she didn't say anything. No, didn't say anything. But I think he got left out to dry. I I don't think left left a hanging is probably not an appropriate term. I think that's not a very flattering term. You're gonna say. 

Your hanging plot, like quite literally. Question though. If that had been Jessica Simpson's ***** that bounced out, do you think we would have been as outraged as what we were with Janet, who is a little bit older, is a woman of colour? Do you think there would have been 500,000 letters of complaint to the FCC? If it was Jessica Simpson. 

I think there would have still been complaints. I don't know to what extent I. Think too though. At the time, women still very much objectified in the early 2000s, so I I think that there would have been, I think it would have been same same, but maybe a bit different. I don't think that she would have been made to be this massive scapegoat. 

I reckon Justin would have copped it. 

May be I mean the thing with Justin though is. 

Teflon, isn't he? Not anymore. 

He seems to be copying it a lot now. 

He said up until up until Britney's book he was Captain, Teflon. He just there's so many things that have happened over the years. 

It's only a matter of time before the chickens come home to roost, though, so ten years on from nipplegate, the FCC chairman Michael Powell admits that the committee acted unfairly towards Janet Jackson. They they took a decade for them to retract whatever they. Said he tells ESPN. That's the other sporting network that's that's big over there, that the FCC overreacted, he said. I personally thought that was really unfair. It all turned into being about her in reality, if you slow the thing down, it's Justin ripping off her breast place. Yeah, but it's. The choreography thing as well, the comments are a complete turn around from his own words in when he was when he actually. I I think at the time, he said it was a new low from prime time TV. 

We was calling her crass and. What else did he say? 

I just think a new low for prime time TV, like that's a big call. There's a lot of on TV. 

Less crass and a deplorable stunts, and he aimed at it at Janet, yeah. 

Yes, well. For better or for worse, ****** gait is one of the most searched terms in the history of the Internet to this day. Ohh by the way, in sports the Super Bowl was on, there was a football game between the Carolina Panthers and the New England Patriots. Patriots won 32 to 29 and Tom Brady was named the MVP. 

Hey, yes. 

Look at into technology now and look it. It is a bit of an afterthought, but I was just thinking, you know, you're talking about the the Jessica Simpson thing, and if if it was her instead of. Janet, would it? Be different and I kind of want to walk that back a bit because I do think that. There's no good way to say this, but slight shaming was a bit of a thing back then. I mean, you look at the Paris Hilton tape and yeah. So I don't know that it would have been any different anyway. Let's move and look. Let's let's move on to technology and let's talk about Facebook. Well, the Facebook. 

The Facebook yes. 

As it was known back then, now didn't mark. Berg, initially in invent this as some kind of hot or not type thing. 

No, he did another he did another site. I think it was called face mash. So that was he had a couple of earlier forays into similar types of interfaces. He did one called course match where you could. 

All right. It was like a prototype, yeah. 

View other people taking your degree and meet up with them. Hey, we're doing the same course and face mash, which was where you could vote on 2 randomly selected Harvard women. 

Oh, let's look up. 

And vote as to which one was the most attractive of the two. So it was face smashed. Very similar to what? Was hot or not bad? 

It was a different time or was it? Or was it really anyway? So they were obviously prototypes for the Facebook, which on the 4th of February, Mark Zuckerberg launches from his Harvard dorm. 

It sure. It sure was. A Facebook is common terminology. Apparently in universities it's a student directory. They call it a Facebook, and it features photos and basic information. Early 2000s, though, well, particularly at Harvard, it wasn't online. You had a paper print out, so when you were a freshman, you got a print out of all the other students and the. Start off with a photo. Of them and their dates basically sounds a bit stalkerish to be honest. 

Right. 

Well, I guess you wanna know who you're going to school. 

With really, do you need to know well? 

I don't know. It sounds a bit odd. 

I don't. I wouldn't wanna know. I mean, I don't care. Flat out, you know, speaking to people that I do know. 

What the best time Mark Zuckerberg decides that this is dumb? Printing it all out on paper? He's a he's a 23 year old psychology student at the time. So he said, you know what? I can do a better job. Like you guys haven't done anything. You haven't created an online one. You're obviously taking your time, but whatever you do, I can do better. And I can do it quicker. Give me a week. Give me a week and I will connect all of these people online instead of this dumb print out. So. 

Yeah. So it sets to coding, does the whole coding thing. 

So he is. He is a programmer. He's done like we said the course match and the face mash. And and so he starts writing code January 2004, and he creates the Facebook and met with another student called Eduardo Saverin. 

Ohh, Eduardo, poor Eduardo. I just heard the movie. The social network, Andrew Garfield's character. Terrible. 

And they checked in the grand date. For the size. 

It's an online directory that connects people through universities and colleges through their social networks. There you sign on, you make a profile about yourself by answering some questions and entering some information, such as your concentration or major at school. Contact information about phone numbers. Instant messaging, screen names, anything you want to tell interests what books you like, movies, and most importantly, who your friends are. And then you can browse around and see people's friends are and just check out people's online identities and see how people portray themselves and just find some interesting information about people. 

So 20 years, right? Doesn't seem like a big passage of time. Yes, you have a question. 

Has anyone anyone? Actually looked into this because he's a psychology student. Yeah, he's studying psychology. He's created the Facebook where people can write things about themselves and connect. Does anyone think maybe this is just an experiment of the psychology students to see what people would do and what would happen? 

Yes, I think he no. OK. Conspiracy theory. I think he's an alien. I think he's an alien and I think that Facebook is his Alien Ant Farm. 

Is it his projects? 

Is he a smooth criminal? 

Well, well, that I I'm not going there. You'll get blocked. You'll get cut off from all the Internet. You won't need to be. 

Ohh, we're not allegedly, allegedly. But but do you think I'm not on? I'm not on the Facebook, but do you do you think though that maybe it did start as his own kind of social experiment just to see what, see. 

I don't. I don't know. I mean, I've watched the movie. That's that's my knowledge of the background of it is the movie. It's a great movie too, the social network. 

What would happen? Hmm, but yes, he just. Explained what it was in that interview. 

Yeah. So what? I was saying, though, is 2020 years, is seems to me like such a short passage of time because I'm old, but it's amazing how far that that has come in in two decades, in two decades, you know, he's he's got the Facebook which he launched on February 4 in 2004. He tells a couple of friends who suggest sharing it on the Kirkland House online. 

Yes, sorry. 

Mailing list, Kirkland. Yeah. Kirkland Costco. Maybe. Yeah, that that's like several 100 people by the end of the night. They're watching their registrations on on the night of February 4/2. 

It's something to do with. 

Wonderful. Within 24 hours they have between 1200 and 1500 registrants and it grows from there. 

Well, it's impossible to tell. When we first launched, we were hoping for, you know, maybe 405 hundred people. Harvard didn't have a Facebook. So that's the gap that we were trying to fill. And now we're at 100,000 people. So who knows where we're going next? We're hoping to have many more universities by the fall, hopefully over 100 or 200. And from there we're going to launch a. Bunch of site applications which should keep people coming back to the site and maybe can make something cool. 

Something cool. Yeah. Look, because he knows what cool is. Look, he does, obviously. So 1200 Harvard students sign up in 24 hours. After one month, over half of the undergraduate population has a profile. Six days after the launch, 3 Harvard University seniors, the Winklevoss twins, Cameron and Tyler and Divya. Narendra. 

Yeah, totally cool. Ohh yes. Hmm. 

Accused Zuckerberg of intentionally misleading them into believing that he would help them build a social network called harvardconnection.com, but he obviously took the code and everything for himself and and then so they complain to the student newspaper, and then they begin an investigation. This is a. 

I love it. 

Big deal. The student newspaper does the investigation. It's very Scooby Doo. 

Ohh, they're on it. Yeah, yeah. Right. He would have got away with it, too, if it wasn't for those meddling. Winklevosses. Well, he did. He did get away with it. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. 

He still is still. 

Judging us all with his psychology student. So initially it was restricted to Harvard University students. Then in March 2004, so a month later, it expanded to Stanford, Columbia and Yale. And then this continued when it opened to all Ivy League and Boston area schools gradually reached most universities in the United States. And Canada? 

It now, yes. But but well, it was. The expansion was incredible, but it was very limited back in two. 

Just incredible. 1004 what could you do on the Facebook in in? 

The Facebook. 

The 04. 

8 features There's 8 features feature #1 user. Accounts with real names are required, restricted to Harvard Edu email addresses vision #2 friends, including friend requests, Vision #3 invitations feature #4 profiles with a single photo, one photo. 

Ah yes. Ohh better make it a good one. 

For each user. Feature 5. Ability to list metadata like gender, birthday, dorm, phone number, favourite music, favourite books and courses, as well as looking for which included options such as random play. Whatever I can get or. That's a bit gross. What? What feature am I up to? I don't even know. Search by name. Class. Your course is another metadata, some privacy restrictions and a feature to visualise a user's friend graph, which was later. Because, I mean, you know, if you had a poultry friend graph, that might not seem much for your self esteem. Yeah. Yeah. There was no messages. There was no pokes. There was no notifications, no walls, notifications. I mean, how good would that you wouldn't get addicted to it if it didn't get notifications? No news feed, no status updates. 

It's embarrassing. No Scrabble. 

One photo like. He said before and the sites logo was actually a picture of Al Pacino. 

He could. He should have. 

Sued. Yeah, and. #15 has sued. 

The footer says he should have he. 

He could have got a lot of money for that. 

Footer says Mark Zuckerberg production, which would have ****** the Winklevosses off so much. Yeah. Hmm. 

Even more, yes, TM copyright. Wouldn't it be amazing if for April Fools day on the 20 year anniversary, Zuck just winds it back to those eight features and you, everyone, all of yours just gotta suck it up with the 8 features. 

That's. That's the kind of genius that I don't think he's capable. Only you are capable. All of that level of need. 

Would wouldn't that be? Wouldn't that be amazing? 

I I'm. I'm here for it. I think that's a great idea. 

Well, he'll probably do it. And then I'll tell the student newspaper that he stole my idea. This is on the record now. What were they called? The Crimson or whatever it was. I'm gonna let the Crimson. I hope you're listening. I said this is my idea, hmm? Yes. Anyway. 

Yes, yes. And then you end up in the. Yes, the Crimson was the name of the student newspaper. In the summer of 2000 and. Four, it was turned into a corporation. Facebook. Sean Parker, the Napster guy. Justin Timberlake? Yeah, yeah. Formally he'd been informally advising Zuckerberg, and he became the President of the company. 

Was that Napster? Ohh. 

Yeah. And then and then they moved to Palo Alto, CA and that's where they became really big. Then they dropped the the from its name after they purchased the domain Facebook in 2005 for 200 grand. And then it's made available for high school students. And in 2006, it becomes accessible to the public. So we'll go on about this for a little while in the podcast and. 

Why would it Saturday? Ohh for at least two more years. 

And come. Yes. Then it goes all. Around the world. Spreads all around the world like cancer. Becomes the go to social media site. Now it's what do they say now on Ted Lasso. It's for people over 50 in races. Yes, exactly. I mean, it's been very controversial. We know this misinformation, fake accounts, people being able. It's been the Wild West unregulated managed by bots selling data the whole election thing. 

Oh, oh, table and rices. Selling data. Again, the psychology student and you willingly put your phone number in there to connect with other students doing your course more fully. You it was also really the start. So we had, we did have Myspace, obviously. Hmm. But this was also part of that big what they call Web 2.0 that whole user generated content. So all of a sudden we could be part of the Internet. Create content we didn't need to be coders. We didn't need to have special privileges or publishing rights. We could be part of this and we could create our own content. That Myspace, obviously YouTube now, and that was really the dawn of this user generated content and all of us becoming effectively content creators. 

I think look, I think it's a it it, there's a lot to be said for the virtues of being able to connect people. I think it's one and I'd sound like a wowser if I didn't think that that was a wonderful thing. It's been amazing. It's been it's such a fabulous tool in so many ways. 

And particularly when you think back to the pandemic as well and the way that people used. Social networking to remain connected when we were isolating and we were cut off from everybody and you were able to see what was happening on the. Other side of the world as well, yeah. 

Yeah, it's been extraordinary and and I mean, even for us to be able to connect with people that we've then had on the podcast back in the day or just do interviews and stuff like that, I I think that's been wonderful. And but I it's interesting that it came from a psychology suit because I think it's also changed. Our psyches, like social media in general, has changed our psyches, maybe eventually for the better, because I think we'll become more resilient when we come out the other side of it. But it's the the like with anything, there's negatives and positives to it all, and eventually I think Zuckerberg will be like, I've collected all the data I needed, and now I'm returning back to my home. Damn it. Gosh, I feel like we've already done music talking about the Super Bowl halftime show, but anyway, it's music time. Ohh. 

Ohh special guest star Lois Lonestar. 

No, no, no, no, no, I don't. I've never seen it before in. My life. 

We'll start with the US charts. The top five this week, 20 years ago, sounded like this. 

But let me set this thought. 

Y'all don't wanna hear me. You just want dance. Don't want to meet your daddy? 

Hey, yeah. 

Yes, #1 again. 

Yes. Well, look, our cast not not budging from the number one and two position. 

The way you move as performed by the marching band on super Half Time show me. 

Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

Slow jams #3. You don't know my name. #4. Alicia Keys. Ohh. We have a new entry. Sorry, I didn't research. Normally I will talk about the new entry myself. Self and I Beyoncé but I have much more important news further on in the Australian charts, so I just ignored that, but we'll dissect that in. The future? Ohh OK, have less content. We haven't in the UK also don't really know too much about it, but let's have a listen. 

I can't wait. 

Ohh, that song LMC versus U2. It's. 

Like the mashup of the Whitney Houston song. 

There there's a boy. I know that one. How will I know? Yes. 

How will I know? Yeah. And with or without you. 

Ohh, that's why it's versus you 2. 

That that has to be. I mean, I'm not a massive U2 fan like I'm I'm be perfectly clear, but that this, that song is a crime against music. 

I remember that song that was like a. Remix heaven song. Really, I quite like it. 

No, it's appalling. Why that anyway. 

OK. Well, let's move. Let's move to the number one song here in Australia this week 20. Years ago. 

What about me? 

It isn't fair. Wow. 

Shannon Knoll, Speaking of crimes against music. He was robbed of Australian Idol and of course that was the moving pictures song. What about me? 

Ralphs? Absolutely. No, that was that's that's the nosey song. 

Well, I was gonna say I think that somewhere along the line, moving pitches probably need to concede and just go. You know what, Nosie it's it's. It's yours. 

It's like almost seamless. You can have it. We're never singing it again. 

You've dominated. It's like when, like the word the when Trent Reznor, when Johnny Cash covered the 9 inch nails song hurt. Hmm. And it was just this beautiful version of her, and Trent Reznor was the the original writer of that song said, oh, look, it's it's all his now. I can't. I can't top that. I think moving pictures. 

You can have it. 

Should do that to nosey. 

I think so too. They first recorded it in 1981, written by Gary Frost and Francis Swan Frost wrote the song he'd gone to get lunch in his lunch break at his local shop. Yeah, in the city's Sydney suburb of Asquith. Never heard. Of it. But he saw a small boy in the shop who wasn't being noticed and he was waiting at the counter of the corner shop, waiting back there, waiting half the day. They never. 

You get some red frogs. 

Ever see him? 

I don't reckon he would have been waiting. Half a day. 

He was well, if it. 

Just quite. 

Was his lunch break? No. No, I feel like it's exaggerating. 

I've told you 1000 times. 

Don't exaggerate. Or did he stay there? Did he stay there and observe for the rest of the day? Well, I'm just gonna. 

And if. 

Stand here. You see how long it? 

You did that like and if that's the case, like, why wouldn't you actually step up and say something like, hey, mate, this this little kid has been standing at the counter of the corner shop, waiting back there, waiting half a day. 

Takes him to serve this guy. Excuse me? He was first. 

He just. 

You've been. 

OK. 

They they never ever see him from. 

At the top he he gets pushed through and knocked to the ground. He gets to his feet and he says just give him his red frogs. Just let him have his red frogs. 

Her out. 

And he's Devon sandwiched. It's 1981. He would have been getting Devon and sauce sandwich on white bread. 

He might have been picking up. I don't know what kind of suburb Asquith is. He's probably picking up a cart in the Marlboro for his parents. Who knows, maybe potentially. I mean, I don't know. I don't know. I think my version of the truth is probably no different to what Gary Frost or or Francis Swanson is. 

Some Winnie Blues, everyone. 

Anyway, it belongs to nosey now yes. 

It's knowles's song. He records it for his debut album. That's what I'm talking about. He performed it on. 

It's such a black name for. No, that's what I'm talking about. Yeah, OK. 

What I'm. He performed it on Australian Idol and it was well, well received. That key changed that. What about me? That gets me every time. 

And he did brought the house down. Well, please don't even attempt to emulate, no. 

I no, I can't do it and we've I've tried in Singstar and it's worked out very badly, but that's just all every time I get emotional at that key change. 

Yeah, you can't do it justice, yes. And the bit where he does, big people. Big. Hmm. Yeah, I know. 

It's a very. Ah, stop it. Stop it debuts at #1 on the Rs Singles Chart, which is obviously this week. 20 years ago. Yep, double platinum accreditation, 140,000 copies shipped in its first week. Forget about, forget about the landfill Angels brought me here. It's all about what about men? 

He's he's moving units nausea. That's like one copy for every attendee of the Deniliquin Ute master. 

Number one. Four weeks, eventually selling over 280,000 copies, certified quadruple platinum in Australia alone, highest selling single in Australia for 2004, so higher than Guy Sebastian. 

I'll spoiler alert. 

Good. And I think my favourite bit. Yes, sat and filmed over 2 days in his hometown of London overland condo and it was over 38°C. 

Then they went to his place. If the film crew would have been passed off. 

About that wouldn't I depicts his life in a small country town and the extras in the video are local residents, including his two brothers. 

Ohh good on your nosey. Put your brothers in there. Yeah, yeah, I bet you. 

I love that he's amazing. 

Got a bit of. Ohh, here he comes. Remember he got the Southern Cross tattoo as well. I feel like that was a misstep for nosey. 

Think he? 

I think he already had this. 

No, I think you got it as. Part of Idol, I mean. 

I'm willing to overlook that because it's Nelson. 

Speaking of, you know, I mean, there's another person that puts stars on their *******, but anyway. We got an album as well. ** *** like this. I like this song. 

Ohh and another. Another karaoke faves. 

I really do like this song. 

The music ain't too bad. We're gonna sing. 

Because the dancers don't mind at the New Orleans, if you tip them and they make a cut. 

Do it. 

Sorry, yeah, Scissor Sisters. This is what I'm talking about. With everything being sexualized, this group is called the Scissor Sisters. 

I didn't realise what that meant until I was doing the research and. I hovered over it cause you know how on Wikipedia you can hover over things for a definition I hovered over it and it gave me a. Diagram. Ohh really you've got. 

To be really careful you. 

Diagram a die a very a very detailed diagram, and I was. I was shocked that I just. I had no idea that that's. 

Look, I'm no scientist. I'm no scientist, but I'll have a look anyway. You've gotta be very careful if you're performing that. Mover because you could create, you know when you like, when you when you put two cups together and they create a vacuum and then they get stuck and you need it takes a lot of effort to then pry them apart. 

Stop, stop, stop, stop. 

But they were, I think they were very they were very big in the the gay scene and I think. I think they were living in America, but they'd come from the UK because America was a lot more progressive and open and accepting and. 

Really. Did you watch the Super Bowl? 

And will they? They're really big in a lot of gay clubs over over in the. Dates, but the album and the single did really well in the UK and not not America, but. 

It's a great song. It's a very, very good song. I don't know about the rest of the album, but that song in particular is pretty good. 

Just don't. Just don't hover over their name on Wikipedia, or do if you don't know what it means and you will. 

Just be careful. 

Know what it? 

Means pretty quickly, yes, yes. 

Certified 9 times platinum in the UK. 

Ohh hover over it and thank you. 

The the album. Later. Well, it's not real people, it's it's illustrations. They're they're anatomically correct illustrations, but it's an illustration. It's not real life. 

Oh yeah. But if if you, I mean. 

Hey, look. 

If you if you've got a furtive imagination, it'll get you there anyway. They. So what were you saying? Now, number one in the UK. 

You 9 times platinum sold over 2,700,000 copies in the UK alone. Again, which was saying that that's where they were from. But then they they were in America when they recorded this. And this is all over. Yeah, five times platinum in Ireland as well. Peaked at #102 on. 

Seriously though, I mean, what does it take to become 5 * 5 times platinum in in Ireland? Like what's that involve? 

Billboard 200. 

How many copies correct 7? Yeah. And a bucket of potatoes anyway. Over to the box office. Now want of a better. 

Word don't hover. Over it, along came. Polly is still #1 here in Australia, but we've got a new number one at the box office over in the US. You got served. 

They were the best of friends. 

I know you better than anybody I know when. 

You're tripping. What's up? 

Not like you be. I can't just sit around and. 

Dream their crew was unstoppable. 

We've got $5000 shadows from some this kid. Out of Orange County. 

Let's do this again sometime. 

You're just mad because tonight you suckers got, Sir. 

Tell me last night. Didn't how the hell we lose? 

5G's in 10. Minutes, man, so 50,000. 

It can bounce. That's awesome. 

Dollars yes, man. Just enough money to change our life now. 

Hey, if they want their shot. 

What you doing there? 

Calm down. So my momma, you ain't getting in. 

My sister, he's playing you, Leah. Now stay away from her. Don't be talking. 

To her like that. 

What's up? Y'all Lala at the big bounce. We got the hottest cruise competing for $50,000. 

They'll have to come together. 

You're not going to win this without David and you know it. 

David ain't getting down my cool no matter what. 

Wish you the best of luck alright bro. 

Ohh best of luck brother. You got served. That's about dance crews I haven't seen. 

It's a dance. Yes. It's dance battles in an LA warehouse belonging to a local club owner called Mr Rad, who's played by Steve Harvey. AA rich kid challenges some, not rich kids for $5000, and they accept. And they perform their moves. There's tensions, and it's starring your favourite. Remember Omarion, a Marian, a moron. What was he from? B2K? Was it the bump, bump, bump. Guy, I'm a Marian, isn't it? It's his acting debut. Good for you. 

Sounds like it, yeah. Ohh yeah so. It's ohh so he's he's he's he's acting debut. I'm a moron. 

14% critics score, so it didn't do too well. The audiences loved it because it had Emma Marion in it. Everyone, Jim, that's what I said. He. 

Steve Harvey was in it as well. You know Steve Harvey, Mr Mr, the Miss Universe. The the one that got the the thing wrong at the Miss Universe? Yeah, that's the show. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry I zoned out for a second. 

Yeah, the guy, the moustache, the moustache guy. Yeah, him. He was Mr Rad. I said that already. I'm. Yes, I'm. I'm Ryan. I'm a Marian. Ah, you got served the end. 

I well, 14% from the critics 69 audience score. 

I said that already. 

Yeah, there's a bit of a theme with this show, isn't it? I would like to see a local version of you got served. I'd like to see the camp bar shuffle go up against the Belconnen *****. That'd be great. Anyway, let's go to TV TV. 

The shuffle would win, Mr Ohh. We had a debut here in Australia fed, but no one was watching cause we're watching the nip slip on the Super Bowl on one Feb, but maybe watched it. 

Yes, I remember this show 1. I think in the evening, maybe, unless you're watching the replay of this, yeah. 

Yeah, my restaurant rules. It's the series where you've got five couples from different capital cities and they compete against each other in opening restaurants. So it. 

Goes through right? 

From the start. So they're doing like the fit out and the build of the restaurant. They determine what the menu will be. It was pretty good, worked through it and then they would have people come in and eat at the restaurant and then give them a score and people would get eliminated. And then that had a winner. 

Well, it wasn't a bad show. We love food. It's a very it's a very primal thing. It's like what? What, what things do you need? You need, like, food and shelter and sex and other things and. And that fits one of those categories anyway. And I feel like this, you know, All in all, now this, this episode of the podcast, now that we're discussing my restaurant rules has ticked. All the boxes. 

All of the boxes. 

Every single box it is ticked them. 

Every box? Yes. So the first season had Nick and Emily the Red Sea from Adelaide. Simon and Natalie, probably Natalie, but there was an extra age. My little kitchen Brisbane. Peter and Taissa 7 stones. 

The bogan spelling? Yeah. Well, that explains it. She's from Brisbane? Yep. 

Melbourne Ash and Amanda Room 19 in Perth. With Sam and Catherine Cucina Vera, Sydney. We found the original audition tape for Simon and Nathalie for my little kitchen in Brisbane. 

We've got the name picked out MYL. 

K and it stands for my little kitchen now. 

OK. 

Milk, milk. So when you picture it in your own restaurant, what do you picture? 

Hiring the waitresses? Yeah. 

Classy. Classy. That don't sound they don't sound annoying at all. Perfect reality show people. How did they go? 

Hmm. Milk got milk. Well, they didn't win. But you know how I said people come and eat. At the restaurant and then judge them. 

Yeah, yeah. 

Someone you know went into their restaurant tonight. 

Wasn't expecting Simon to be able to cook, and I was also was, I suppose. Cause wasn't expecting him to be a bit because of what I heard about his ego. For him to be kind of one of. Those big chefs that are driven by their own self importance. Actually the food that he's putting on the plate was great. 

Oh wow. Do you know who? 

That voice is. That's Matt Preston before MasterChef. Wow. 

Yeah, master chef. This was actually the first restaurant cooking based reality show that we had in Australia. This was this was the one that started it all. Yes. This is ground breaking. 

Is that a fact? My kitchen roof does it. Do they still do it? 

They do my restaurant rules, but it has a vault. 

Well, they do. So now it's my kitchen rules. See, I'm getting confused. So this is my restaurant rules. 

Ohh so sorry, it starts as my restaurant rules and now it's my kitchen rules but it's different. That's where they do where they come to someone's house and they cook. They don't set up a restaurant. 

Devolved, yes. Just go. Houses. I think I'm a bit of a good cook, I'll. Do you? Well, let's put your money where the. 

Paleo Guy was on it. Remember. So what do we talk about? 

Ohh. Pete Evans? Yeah. Yeah, I'm not. Yeah. 

Anymore. No, because he had that COVID machine, didn't he remember? He had the machine that you would COVID, and you could buy it for like 5. 

No. Yes. 

$100,000. 

Yes. And apparently, if you give your baby's bone broth, they. Yeah, yeah. Just don't worry about. 

Yeah, they're fine. It's great. No, don't listen. That's a joke. It's not true. Don't listen to Pete. Don't listen to us. So that was the. That was, like, the OG reality cooking show. Milk didn't win. Perth. Room 19. Ash and Amanda were the winners. 

It, yeah. No ever at any stage. So so but. 

But that that was hosted by Curtis Stone. I remember 2005 my restaurant rules because. Took over. Hosting. Remember I got the promotional apron. That was a good thing about working at Prime. I used to get all the promotional stuff. And I got an apron and I had tools in it. 

Didn't we go? We attempted to go to one of the restaurants in 2005 in Manly. 

We went to pink Salt, which was Bella. Bella and. 

I don't know. Someone, but we didn't. We didn't get in. Did we get in? We didn't get in. 

Some guy that started with a. We lined up. 

Yes. No, I I don't think we got in. 

No, I think we did. Wasn't it Italian? Ohh no, we went elsewhere. Went to Italian. 

I think we ended up going to the four point. 

We went to, we went. 

Brewery or something you said because we couldn't leave. 

To Italian? Yes, it was Bella and a guy. Yeah. Pink salt. They were season 2. Did they win? No. I think the ones that won the venue. 

Salt season. Love it. 

The venue was actually. Plan for demolition. So they had. To close their restaurant. Or something, yeah. 

This is fine. 

Yeah. So yeah, they did. They did dicko's version and it had the Dandy Warhols and the promo we used to be long time ago. We used to be friends. I just remember. 

Doesn't really rule them, does it? Oh, we used to be friends. Everyone was using that, so yeah. 

That and then I think it got axed after that and then they brought in the my. Kitchen rules, but yeah. But but my kitchen rules was a rip off of was it? Guess who's coming to dinner or come dine with me come dine with me. 

Kitchens save a whole bunch of money. Ohh that show was great. Come to iron with me. That was that was on the SBS. 

That was great because there's always fights. I liked the English one so good. 

Fantastic show, still still better, probably the original and the best I would think. 

But then. 

Back to Pete Evans for a second. So he's. Like captain paleo. 

Really. Yeah. 

And he's a judge on my kitchen rules and he has to eat what they cook. So therefore he's eating things that aren't Paleo, so he's going against his own rules. 

He did. I think maybe. Maybe spit it out afterwards, I don't know. Did that. Work what they would do because it's Paleo as a caveman diet. Is they would run along with the food on a plate and he would wear a loincloth and chase it with a. 

Spear. Ah, and then mix it with some coconut oil and then avocado and it's fine. 

And then and then and then and everything tastes like dates. We're there. Hatches, matches in this bed. I'm exhausted. ****** gait, I mean. 

There's been a lot of smart hasn't. 

There look, I should also preface, well, maybe put a caveat. Not a preface cause at the end of the show that would be ridiculous. That's possibly one of the stupidest things I've said. I'll put a caveat on this, that both of us recovering from the COVID-19 at the moment, although I don't know if it is the COVID-19, it's probably the COVID 22 at this stage. Yes, in 24 it's been a. It's been a rough couple of weeks in the RT -20 household, but we are here for you, we are nonetheless. 

And we still bring the nips. 

That's they keep getting bigger. 

But also can I just back to ******* for a second? Yeah, Adam Levine. 

Did we ever stray away from them? 

Adam Levine, when he did his Maroon 5 Super Bowls. 

Ohh, cause you watched the Super Bowl halftime show. Yeah, he took his. 

He got his nips out. 

Shirt off. Nobody cared. 

That's fine. He can get his set and it wasn't. 

Attractive wasn't a good look was. No. Yeah. Look, I don't know. I think there is a lot of both. 

Very, very unfair, very unfair. 

Mel, this is the world we're living in. There's lots of double standards in this society and you know. 

Free the ******* free the ******. I think if it happened now, we'd be fine. But I think we just, yeah, sure, whatever. 

You reckon? Do you reckon if Janet Jackson was topless at the Super Bowl, we'd be OK. 

With it just for like. A9 sixteenths of a second fine. 

Well, yeah, I can handle. I can handle 960. 

That's just the Boo Boo. 

Yes, like honestly, isn't there bigger problems going on in? 

I agree there. Yeah. And we're gonna solve them with, like, the Hatch match and dispatch clear. That's a huge problem. 

The world. 

Who, having a birthday said this? 

If you want to apologise to me, I'll. Talk to you. 

Hey. Hey. It sounds very California, doesn't it? 

I'll talk to you. I'll if you don't apologise to me. I'll talk to you, Al. 

Yeah, dolls. If you wanna apologise to me, I'll. 

Talk to you. No one's getting this. If you said Lauren Conrad, though, and I reckon a lot of people are like Lauren Conrad. You would be correct. 

Who? What's a Lauren Conrad? No, I think a lot of people know who. Lauren Conrad. I think you don't. Actually. No. You do because you got obsessed. You got obsessed. 

It's a guilty pleasure. Loved it, thoroughly enjoyed. 

It not so much Laguna Beach, but the hills. You went away. You went away to a Bucks weekend. Ah, it was down the beach. Remember when you found all those big lizards with ticks that weekend you went away and I was bored. I was. I did a couple of Jillian Michaels workout. So I was like. 

Yes, yes and yeah. 

I'm really bored. What? I'm gonna do now and we just got in Foxtel. Yeah, and I never watched Laguna Beach. But the Hills premiered that week, and you know what? MTV they'd play the shows over and over and. 

This marathon? Yeah, back to back to. 

Over and. Over so then I started watching it and it was the hills, so it was like next version. And I was like, this is alright and then you come home from your lizards with ticks adventure. And I was watching one and then you're like, what is this? 

Back to back. 

And then all of a sudden, every time I'd come home from somewhere, I would walk into the room. You were there watching the hills. 

Just to be clear, the the tick when we talk about lizards with ticks, they didn't have Tourettes. They they had a parasite. The tick, yes. 

You could. They were big. Ones, weren't they? 

Yeah, it's like you were walking along and you see a big. Goanna and go ohh. That's not what it was. No, he was. He was a parasite. I did the the heels. I found it. One of the most funny shows. It is hilarious. 

No. Yes. And then you got obsessed with. 

Spencer the the hills towards the end, when the hills got to the end. 

Krystal Spencer was. Yeah. Clark, please. 

Hilarious. It is seriously one of the funniest shows on television and. This garbage scripted reality with these absolutely despicable people, they are just the most unrelatable, revolting humans. And I was watching it just go and can't believe that I actually wanna leave the planet now. I can't believe that these people exist, but within it I found hilarity. I really enjoyed it. 

Yes, when he remember when he was. Doing the crystals, that was good. I liked that. 

Yes, we put his crystals against his head to chill himself out, Spencer. But Lauren Lauren was the she was the pin up girl for the whole. 

Yes, yes. To come down. We're talking about Lauren, it's her birthday. 

Thing wasn't was the style. 

She was kind of the main star of Laguna. Yeah. Her and Kristen Cavalieri. And there was a lot of rivalry between the two of them because I think they both. Right. Brody Jenner. 

Ohh right, there's a Kardashian in there, so this is like Ground Zero for all of that horrible, horrible stuff. 

Rather of the other genus. Yeah, but then wasn't Brody Jenner married to what was her name? Hot Girl Summer, who then ended up hot girl? Some ring with Miley Cyrus on a boat after she split with Brody Jenner. 

Like none. Ohh, is that right? Yeah. Wow. 

Yes, just ask the sisters. Sorry, Lord, back to Lord she American television personality, fashion designer, author. Obviously she was in. 

Author wow. 

Yes, she in. 

A book she was in Laguna Beach, the real Orange County. And this was off the back of the OC. Remember the OC came out with Michigan. Yeah. So then they're like, no, no, no, no, this is. 

Yeah, that's fine. Yeah. Yeah. That was a drama series. 

The real this is the OG OC just scripted there. 

Which is scripted realities, basically. Yeah, yeah. 

And there was lots. 

Of fights, there was lots of fights, including this one with Heidi, which is an extension of what we just played before. It's fantastic. 

If you want to apologise to me, I'll. Well, you know that I didn't do anything so. Having your boyfriend do your dirty work doesn't make you. My dirty work. I don't have anything to do with it. Your sex tape and whatever has nothing to do. With me now you think it's OK that he went and did that? That my boyfriend went is. It's OK, I have nothing to do with you and anything that you've done with your ex boyfriend, that has nothing to. Do with me, Lauren. OK, you can keep saying that and make yourself think you're. A good person, but you're a bad person. 

Nothing wrong. 

Alvin and the Chipmunks will be back after these important messages. They have exactly the same voice. You can't even differentiate between because they're all talking and saying California voice it. It is, do you? It's a very peculiar show. Also normalising sex tapes. What's with? 

Bad person. Bad. I know. I was like, which ones? Which I don't understand. I do like that accent, yes. That that's so early too. 

Though Ellie arguing over each other sex. 

Isn't it? 

I think like if if it's if it's a month. 

Think Spencer Spencer started a rumour that she had a sex tape. I don't know if she did. I think Spencer started a rumour, so then she was angry with Heidi cause Heidi was going. 

Out with Spencer, I think. And while I do find it funny, I think the worst thing about that show. Is it is going gangbusters on MTV? Was it MTV? I think it was MTV and there are so many young people consuming it, thinking hopefully they're. Not that stupid. 

This is what this is what life. 

Thinking that this is what normally is, like it's just the weirdest thing, but. 

Yeah. Laguna Beach finishes, though then. She moves to LA and she's. I think she's doing an internship at Teen Vogue, so she wanted to be a fashion designer, and that's where the hills does the spin on. Off it had, I think 6 season and she was quite so early 2000. She was quite iconic for a number of looks, so you're probably not gonna remember, but the the headband she had the headband and then everyone loved the headband office pearls. So pearls that you wore. The Office night day look. 

To the. Front and. 

Baby doll dresses the big wide belts, layering tank tops, SO234 tank tops on top of each other and the big sunglasses famous for the big sunglasses. So she finishes the show. She then launches her own fashion lines. I think she's launched perfume cosmetics. She's done a book No2. Books. Now I think. And she's married. This throws me off every time I read it. She's married a. Guy called William tell Serious still. 

You can tell. 

Every time, I just think of apples. I just can't deal. 

With it and nobody says anything. Everyone's. Oh, yes. Lauren married William tell. And now they have two sons together like. 

William tell Billy. Really, I just think they really they really miss me. I'm so lucky I stumbled across the show. The hills. 

Billy tell. You had a good time. 

Because they really they really miss me with the marketing. I'm just lucky that I found it cause the hills doesn't appeal to me, whereas if they had have done tonight on the quits. 

If you want to apologise to. Me. I'll talk to you. 

I'm all in. You call the show the quits, and I'm watching it. Absolutely. 

Yeah, from there. Ohh look, happy birthday to you Lauren for the first of Feb you you were young and you've matured and you've done really well for yourself and. I'm proud of. 

Good for you. And Speaking of we're done for this evening. Thank you very much for joining. There's been a jam packed episode, lots of things to discuss. We got through it together, *******, scissors, heels. I mean, you name it. We had it. 

What about the train? Train was good. 

The train began. Yes, lots of stuff. Lots of wonderful. 

And join that. 

Things. And you know, there'll be more wonderful things next week, too many of which we could probably name at this stage. Am I right? 

Alright, we've got the Grammy. 

Ohh that say no more the grammars. 

Kanye Kanye drops his debut album, the College Dropout. 

Ohh right. Easy. Jesus Christ. Yep. 

And San Francisco, CA begins issuing marriage licences to same. Sex couples, yeah. 

Ohh yes, San Francisco. It's my favourite place in the world. Aside from being here with you, having you listening to our podcast as well. My favourite thing ever. Thank you so much for supporting us. Come and find us. And socials, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok. You know the drill by. Now see you this week. Bye. 

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