In response to a very conservative State of The Union address, San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsome gives the directive to issue same sex marriage licenses. This would be seen by many as the spark that lit a fire under conservatives right across the nation. Poor old Gavin just wanted to do the right thing by his constituents.
Out in space the largest diamond ever discovered was spotted by the Harvard Smithsonian Centre for Astrophysics telescope some 50 light years away from Earth. A white dwarf star named Lucy had fizzled out only to become 5 billion, trillion pounds of diamond!
In music Kanye Wes debuts with ‘The College Dropout’, Shannon Noll with ‘That’s What I’m Talking About’ and Usher enters the charts with ‘Yeah’.
At the cinema Ice Cube is back with ‘Barbershop 2’, Tim Burton releases ‘Big Fish’ and in TV land Lizzie McGuire calls it a day.
Those stories and more, this week on T minus 20!
Hang with us on socials to chat more noughties nostalgia - Facebook (@tminus20) or Instagram (tminus20podcast). You can also contact us there if you want to be a part of the show.
In response to a very conservative State of The Union address, San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsome gives the directive to issue same sex marriage licenses. This would be seen by many as the spark that lit a fire under conservatives right across the nation. Poor old Gavin just wanted to do the right thing by his constituents.
Out in space the largest diamond ever discovered was spotted by the Harvard Smithsonian Centre for Astrophysics telescope some 50 light years away from Earth. A white dwarf star named Lucy had fizzled out only to become 5 billion, trillion pounds of diamond!
In music Kanye Wes debuts with ‘The College Dropout’, Shannon Noll with ‘That’s What I’m Talking About’ and Usher enters the charts with ‘Yeah’.
At the cinema Ice Cube is back with ‘Barbershop 2’, Tim Burton releases ‘Big Fish’ and in TV land Lizzie McGuire calls it a day.
Those stories and more, this week on T minus 20!
Hang with us on socials to chat more noughties nostalgia - Facebook (@tminus20) or Instagram (tminus20podcast). You can also contact us there if you want to be a part of the show.
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The year is 2004. Your polyphonic ringtone habit is sending you broke. George W Bush is sworn in for a second term, and in spite of everything going on, the most controversial thing is a wardrobe malfunction at the Super Bowl. T -, 20 rewind 20 years with Joe and Mel.
Week OHH 8 February 2000.
The rest is history.
You know what? I'm very forgetful.
20 hello there.
Stop trying to make fetch happen. Goodbye.
We're waiting for.
This is harder than I thought it would be. Wendy, let's roll.
My fellow Americans.
Welcome to another episode of T -. 20 of the podcast where we rewind to this week, 20 years ago, all the way back to the year 2004 with your host Joe and Mel.
Hello, Mel. Hello. This week, 20 years ago, would have been the week starting the 8th right through to the 14th.
Of February.
I believe we should respect individuals as we take a principled stand for one of the most fundamental, enduring institutions of our civilization.
The most fundamental, enduring institutions of our civilization I'm making.
Words ohh things are getting serious.
Yes, with fundamental institutions of our civilisation, we're talking about marriage.
And George W.
With George W Bush and the institution thereof, and people who perhaps have been married for a significant amount of time, probably feel like they are in an institution anyway.
After the discovery in 2004, astronomers decided to nickname the Space Diamond Lucy.
Yes, Lucy, the space diamond lookout. That's a big, big, big diamond out in the middle of.
We're like that.
Case that we're going to discuss that was discovered.
This time 20 years ago, yeah.
Ohh, I'm out on the dance floor. I can feel it. Love that song. And that is such a big song for 2004.
The nerd version? Affirmative. Didn't really workout as well.
That was released and charting this time, this time 20 years ago, and we're gonna, we're gonna unpack that a little bit. There's there's a lot to.
Sorry, that was a dad joke, wasn't it?
It so we. Need to discuss.
Really we need to. There's only.
One word to it. We're gonna talk about it. OK, sure thing. Yeah, by Usher was released this time 20 years ago. And interestingly, usher is. Now main event at the Super Bowl halftime show and as part of recording. I've got no idea who's gonna be in the Super Bowl, but the Super Bowl is.
20 years comes back around. What's your? What's your guess?
Well, my hope is that it's gonna be San Francisco and Baltimore, right? It's gonna be San Francisco 49ers in Baltimore. And there's interesting things happening in San Francisco this time 20 years ago, which we hinted that earlier as well. And of course, usher at the halftime show. But who knows? It could be Detroit. Baltimore. It could be Kansas City, Detroit. We just.
Well, now you've got your guests on.
We'll never know.
Record. So we'll see.
Well, that's my hope against all hope. So I'm hoping that San Francisco can make it 6 Super Bowls in a row. I I have the day off work. I will be at home. The phone will be off, no interruptions. First beer will probably be consumed at about 10:00 AM. See the last one at probably about two or three. Yes, it's gonna be a horrible, horrible day. Really. It's a bad time. the Super Bowl in Australia. Because you do have to basically celebrate sport. At a very early hour of the day, and I just that's that's difficult. That's not you can't drink, you really can't. You just gotta, you know, have some mountain.
It doesn't work well. No, I think.
Dew or something?
I live for the ads. I love the Super Bowl commercials. That's the most exciting part for me. But I've felt over the last few years, I think coming out of. Covered. They've played it pretty safe. It's been pretty tame. I haven't seen anything where I'm completely blown away. There's been a few I've gone on there. Yeah, that's alright. So I'm hoping for some good commercials this year.
Yeah, well.
Well, coming out of ****** gate all the half time Entertainment's been pretty tamed since then as well. So maybe usher or mix things up, maybe he'll flash his ***** at people.
Ohh, look out, maybe you'll have a a. What? What was it called? A shield. ****** Shields. I think it was a ****** Shields.
I don't know it.
Was it a ****** shield? Isn't that interesting? What would you? What would you want? To shield your ******* for? Just in case. Like you're at like a you know you're at Mother's Group, for example, and all of a sudden there's some rampaging baby that just can't get enough. And and it's like, thank God I'm all my ****** shield. Otherwise I'd be feeding somebody else's child.
There's a. Projectile aimed at your ****. That was lucky.
Wow, that took a turn. Anyway, let's do this. It's the Hatch match and dispatch clueless liberty who's having a birthday.
Yes, yes, I believe it is a birthday, yeah.
It's not the 20th birthday. It's just a birthday, isn't it? No. So they're they're probably a bit older than that. They probably pushing 40 at this stage. Wouldn't they be? Yeah, a celebrity. Who said this?
Not a birth, a birthday. I think they might be.
But I just wanted to know, do you know somebody named?
Ohh, do you know somebody named? Whoop, I'll play it again.
But I just wanted to know, do you know somebody?
Do you? Do you? If you do, you can find out at the end. Of the show, if you're correct.
Kicking things off with the news, as we always do, we'll start with the 12th of February 2004 and the City of San Francisco, CA begins issuing marriage licences to same sex couples in response to a directive. From the mayor at the time, Gavin.
Newsom, which is why they deserve to win the Super Bowl this year.
What triggered it is. What I love, so a couple of. Weeks ago and we. Forgot to cover this. It's just because. It's boring state of the Union address.
Ohh, the state of the Union address. So they just go on and on and on.
It's very long. There's lots of PowerPoint presentations goes for about an.
Affirmation approvals applauding lots of sound bites. It's a sound bite fest.
Hour and something we probably. It is. We probably should have covered it, cause I'm sure there was some interesting things in there, but we did. But at said state of the Union address, President George W Bush spoke out against activist judges who were redefining marriage by court.
Order and it just so happens that we have the sound bites.
I believe we should respect individuals as we take a principled stand for one of the most fundamental, enduring institutions of our civilization. Congress has already taken a stand on this issue. By passing the defence of Marriage Act signed in 1996 by President Clinton. That statute protects marriage under. The law. As a Union of a man and a woman, and declares that one state may not redefine marriage for other states. Activist judges, however, have begun redefining marriage by court order without regard for the will of the people and their elected representatives. On an issue of such great consequence, the people's voice must be heard. If judges insist on forcing their arbitrary will upon the people, the only alternative left to the people would be the constitutional process. Our nation must defend the sanctity of marriage.
Yeah, so keywords to take away from that marriage and man and woman. From George W's.
Protecting this sanctity of marriage?
Between a man and a woman.
And how dare these activist judges redefine what marriage means? Nationally, the issue of same sex marriage was gaining prominence. I think there was a court case in Massachusetts, which was basically laying the groundwork to force that state to legally recognise same sex marriage and as part of that address, Bush was acknowledging that and threatened. To back a constitutional amendment. To create that definition of marriage as between a man and. A woman who smokes to that.
Because you know you if you go down to the southern states or you look like Westboro Baptist Church and plays, God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. Yeah, it's all of that sort of rhetoric being spouted and spewed forth.
So mayor of San Francisco, Gavin Newsom listened to the address. He was, in fact, a guest. Of Nancy Pelosi.
You know, he was he was triggered, is what he was.
It was Nancy. 'S plus one, because I think her husband couldn't. Make it for.
That's right, yeah.
Some reason. So he went along and thought I'm gonna go and listen to this. Dress and he hears it and he's. Like you know what, mate? No, I don't. Agree with that, I need to do something.
I went to the state of the Union. Nancy Pelosi made a terrible mistake by giving me her husband Paul's ticket to watch the state of the Union by George Bush. And I sat there slightly bewildered up in the audience listening to the issues of the day. Abstinence drug testing, steroid abuse. It ended with and the idea that indeed he was going to fulfil his private commitments now made public around a constitutional amendment to ban. And it occurred to me that, you know, at that moment that we had to respond as Mayor of San Francisco, I follow an obligation question was how.
Yeah, he was triggered and San Francisco is the basically the gay capital of America. There is a lot of same sex couples in America that live in San Francisco. And I I love San Francisco is my favourite city in the United States of America. And The funny thing. Was when we went there on our. Honeymoon. And we, we noticed. Just there's a massive amount of dogs in San Francisco, more dogs than children in San Francisco, which is directly linked to same sex couples who obviously have pets instead of.
More dogs than children.
Children, which is.
Essentially yes.
Completely adorable, I think. And anyway, that's a side note, but obviously Newsome. Being the mayor of San Francisco. Being mindful of his constituents and the people that put him into power, there is at the state of the Union just gone, mate. Like, what are you talking about? No, I'm not OK with it.
He's chief of staff, Steve Kayla, was.
Carla. Steve, Carla, I think is.
Steve Kawa is is gay and he calls up his chief of staff going. Hey, I've just listened to this address. Not cool. Ah, I reckon we should start issuing marriage licences to same sex couples because there was some loophole I don't fully understand it, but because he was mayor of San Francisco, which is both a city and a county that gave him some kind of authority that enabled him to be able to do that. So he's thinking. Just get it. Go for it.
Yes. Shoot, Michelle, that's. Right, so to speak in and Bush's words, obviously in San Francisco didn't pass the pub test or the gay bar test.
Too, it's just a month into his term as mayor, so that's pretty gutsy. A lot of people thought it could really hold him back and hold back the ability to accomplish what he wanted to as mayor and potentially destroy his political career.
You asked what's the advice you'd give as a a newly elected mayor, they said. Well, do what you think is right. And then when you actually do what you thought was right, all of a sudden I said, wait a second. Hold on. Now you need to ask for permission and there's a process here and I'm straight and and and that's an issue that was an issue too. It's like, who gives this guy the right to be that advocate to see for us? And and the interesting thing, a lot of the members of the gay community, particularly the larger national organisations, they weren't ready for this fight. They weren't even thinking about this fight. I mean, remember, in 2004?
To speak for us and set our agenda.
We were barely entering into the debate around civil. Having gone through that half decade around domestic partnerships, gay marriage was never on the radar screen in the during the mayoral debates and the issues around who's the next mayor of San Francisco. So it was a it was a tough issue for a lot of folks.
It was. I look, I don't know anything about his policies, really. I don't know all that much about Gavin Newsom at all, but to do that as a as a newly elected mayor is incredibly ballsy and and but also he also talks about how the community.
Pretty bosses.
Weren't too sure they weren't ready to have that kind of fight. They're like, can you just tone it down a little bit? I don't think we're ready for this and but I mean, he's. I mean he. He had he was of the belief that this was the right thing to do and to his credit as an elected official who is acting on behalf of his constituents. Has decided to stick his neck out and and do this.
I think to. Some people had a problem with the fact that he became this face for marriage equality because I don't like he was saying that it wasn't even on. Radar through the campaigning, it wasn't one of his policies. It wasn't anything that.
It it wasn't even a foundation for for yeah.
He committed to. He's he's also straight and he's married and.
But not the. Basis of him being elected at all.
No, and he wasn't. He wasn't out. He didn't have a reputation for being outspoken. And I think that also Jarred a lot of people. I think people felt uncomfortable by that, but he saw the opportunity and he went for what he believed in. And I.
Then it's like, whoa.
He's the mayor of San Francisco. Like, hello, you know, I mean, hello.
I think that's great. So look, hello on the 12th. Of February 2004. The city and County of San Francisco became the first government in the United States to grant marriage licences to same sex couples. They began issuing them, and Newsom asserted that the Constitution of California's equal protection clause gave him the authority to do so. The first couple to be issued A licence were lesbian.
That's right.
Activists del. Martin and Phyllis Lyme.
Dell and Phyllis.
Stellan, Phyllis, I love Dylan.
Do Udell take Phyllis to be your lawfully wedded? I now pronounce you. Great. Wonderful.
After three days, city officials estimated that they had issued 900 same sex marriage certificates they'd assumed well, Newsome, 3 days 900.
After three days, that's a that's a hell. The public service to be sitting there. They'd be getting RSI.
Celeb celebrants would have made a Motza OK.
Absolutely. Look, I can probably squeeze you in between 10:00 and 10:05, yeah.
You some of these allies were quite surprised cause they assumed the courts would shut them down immediately, but the courts declined to intervene for nearly a month. They didn't halt the weddings until the 11th of March 2004. Unfortunately, the court later nullified those marriages.
So it's almost like then that becomes a protest more than anything, yeah.
That had been. Conformed yeah, he was chastised for not following the law as written with one justice saying that he had created a man.
Well, I think he did, but I think he kind of did that on purpose, right? To put a pointer. Ross. He actually, it's it's very strange too, because like you said, like it wasn't in the campaign, it wasn't a foundation for his platform. Any of that sort of stuff. He's straight, but he then became this face for marriage equality across the country. And so all these news stories are like, hey, straight married, but. He wants same sex marriage to happen and I think that was because. Is he the reason why he became that face was because he didn't have that reputation? He wasn't this outspoken liberal that was able to kind of make this decision. But he did. Yeah.
Umm. And yeah, a lot of gay rights activists weren't too happy with it because. It wasn't his lived experience, I think, and there are a lot of people who had, who had suffered over many, many years and they just felt. But he kind of made it all about him.
So it it it it was. It isn't that interesting as well because it's obviously been perceived as a bit amongst that community as a bit of a misstep on his behalf. And I genuinely think and like I said, I don't know a lot about his policies or or even him as a person, but based on just the small amount of research that I've done, I think that he was doing it with the. The best of intentions.
And Republicans, predictably, made him their enemy, and so he was a Democrat. Democrats cringed at how he's moved. Like, energise the conversations around well, cause the presidential election is coming up in 2004 as well, later in the year, yeah, so they were concerned about what sort of discussions might follow.
And look, I I think maybe there's a couple of agendas at play as well. So he probably is not a fan of Bush based on the current political climate, the war and all of those things. He's the newly elected mayor of San Francisco, which has one of the biggest gay communities in the world. And he hears the state of the Union address.
From their for their party.
And the red mist comes in and the blinkers come on. And it's kind of like he can't hear anything else he's like, well, I'm gonna do that. You know how you get when people **** you off and you and you and you kind of just have almost that win at all costs attitude. I think that's kind of what's happening here and.
For old Massachusetts, they've been working really hard to set the groundwork to be able to do something there. They were then concerned that all the work that they had done was in vain because. That would then put this motion forward by Bush or other rules in place that would then stop them from being able being able to to put it in.
Place. So then you go to the 12th of August 2004 and the the California Supreme Court declares the marriages of thousands of same sex couples in San Francisco void. So they they've done the. That that you had that big influx of people as soon as he announces it. Happens and all the public servants in the celebrants are making lots of money and they working really hard and they do the marriages in May. And then finally, when we skip forward to August and we'll probably talk about this in a later episode as well, because it would have big news at the time they make it void. And they say that the mayor exceeds his authority by granting them marriage licences.
The judges decided by A52 vote to nullify the 3995 gay marriages performed in the city between February 12 of March 11, when the courts finally halted the web. And the justice at the time said that they must wait until courts resolve the constitutionality of state laws that restrict marriages to opposite sex couples. The legal dispute led to a 2008 marriage cases ruling by the California Supreme Court. Which then legalised same sex marriage in California. So four years later. Hmm. Gee, you'd be annoyed if you got married in that 2004 window. Weddings are freaking expensive.
Very are, but I.
And to then have it cancelled out. I would be rightly ******.
I maintain, you know, I I just well, yes, maybe. And I would be too, cause I was the bridezilla at our wedding. I I.
Know this so much. Planning so much money, so much thinking things through, and it is a lot of effort I would.
Be so annoyed, yes. But but I do think. That like for gay couples like weddings, would just.
I mean that.
Especially for gay blokes like weddings are just the business. Like you go to a bridal fair and I've said it before I went to the bridal Expo with you. And I'm like. Mate cake guys would love this. There's the champagne and the things and the decorations, and it all looks so gay. Weddings are gay.
Do you know what I mean? Like it would.
Have been wonderful. So I think that perhaps as to celebrate, they just do it all again.
Why not?
It would be wonderful. Alright, let's go over to some more scientific news. Because you know that homosexuality flies in the face of science.
February 13, the Harvard Smithsonian Centre for Astrophysics discovers the Universal's largest known diamond white dwarf star BPM 37093, nicknamed Lucy.
She's massive. She's a big girl, Lucy after.
The discovery in 2004, astronomers decided to nickname the Space Diamond Lucy after The Beatles Song Lucy in the Sky with diamonds.
Lucy in the sky.
Scientists have found that approximately 90% of loses mass had crystallised, and since its interior core is mostly made of carbon, it means losing is the biggest diamond ever found. Well found.
I mean through a telescope in space, but it's so the white dwarf that it is is like the hot cinder left behind when a star uses up all its nuclear fuel and dies, it kind of carbonised or whatever. So it's made up of carbon and oxygen, and it's surrounded by hydrogen and helium gases now. This particular one, Lucy, is 50 light years away from Earth. It's this, it's, and it pulsates. Did you know that? It's a pulsating white dwarf? I don't know.
Oh, the salt, a pulsating diamond.
Yes, which is odd, but I'm not sure what that means, but apparently it emits some kind of sound, which you probably couldn't hear in space because the vacuum anyway. Either I went to that bar in space and it was terrible. I had no. Atmosphere. Anyway, it weighed 5 million trillion trillion pounds. So that that would be 10 billion trillion trillion carats. Yeah, the the first thing that comes to mind with this is hip hop.
Of diamonds? Yes.
Hip hop well, diamonds. Imagine how.
Ohh like ice around your neck, hmm?
Yes, like imagine you know, I could just see some knob end in the hip hop community and you see them now, those dudes that are on TikTok and stuff and they got the grills in and then they've got the diamond tester. To prove that the crap that they've adorned themselves with is real. Ohh, really? Yeah. It's like because it's not enough to just have the fake diamonds they need to prove that they're real. 10 billion trillion trillion calories. Well, I mean we send and we tend to dominate with a bit of hip hop, but that's not our fault. It's just the Billboard charts.
That is the sign of the times. That's what was happening in 2004.
The Billboard charts are littered with hip hop. When's rock gonna come back into the fold?
Well, you had Nickelback. Back in 2002, didn't. You what more do you want, Creed?
I guess not. In the Billboard charts. Ohh crazy, I'm just a little wide open. Sorry I.
Live house with the socks. Matchbox 20? Yeah. So what are you complaining about? Haven't released 20 years ago. Sorry, it is hip. The college dropout, the debut studio album for Kanye West.
Hang on. So this is Kanye. When Kanye was OK for everyone to talk about, now it's like we can't talk about Kanye.
When we were allowed to talk about family. But I know. Yeah, I don't know if we can. Or not.
I think we can talk about it.
I kind of yeah, I always have to think twice and. Go. Is it OK? To talk about him this way.
Like he's quite mad. And I mean that. I don't wanna. I think he has some mental health issues. Yeah, but he's also.
He's he's eccentric, he's got. He's got issues. Yeah, he does musical genius.
He's pretty great. I don't like Kanye's use of these really high pitched. Samples, you know he's got the.
Well, then you're not gonna like the. College chop house.
Ohh no really. Like I like his rapping. I just don't like the samples that he uses.
We've talked about it before. We've talked about him before, where he really wanted.
He's now doctor Dre. I don't think he's even a medical student.
Where he really wanted to become a rapper. But he had that car accident, his jaw wide shut. But even prior to that, nobody was interested in him as a rapper. He was.
Ah yeah.
Shopping around and because his style was very different from the more aggressive rap style of the time, he wasn't. He wasn't taken seriously. Yeah, and he was very preppy as well. He was very preppy, kind of clean cut sounding rap. So it.
And he's quite an odd person. He's odd. Yeah, like Ralph Lauren rap.
Was it was very yes. It was very different high.
Polo cross ramp.
End wrap high.
Polo cross rat.
High end diamond wrap, not CZ's.
Yes. No.
So he turned to production. Remember? He's a he was a producer for Jay-Z and eventually signed a record deal in 99 with Rockefeller, which is Jay-Z, I think.
Yes, yes.
And then recorded this album, the college dropout. Over 4 years.
Yes. So he produced this album primarily himself and and this is this is the sample stuff that I'm talking about. So it has it. They called it chipmunk soul and I really hate it. Like I just, I I just think there's such good samples to use and and he he he.
Why mess with the sample?
Pitches up those vocals and then wraps over them. It's really weird, so he speeds them up and he pitches you some. He sounds. There's all these old school, classic R&B and Soul records that he uses.
Makes them sound different, yeah.
Are there any programmes, all his own drums and strings over the top, and he uses gospel and lots of different things. He's pulling into them. I think it's quite crowded and messy. I think I just there's there's a lot. I I understand why people like it. Well, like him and think that he's very talented. I think he's trying to do too much. He's over egged the pudding.
Very experimental. Ohh, you think he's ever done?
So to speak, yes, especially with the.
It too many accessories. You should take off 10 accessories before walking out the door.
**** *** the chipmunk soul mate. What are you doing? It's ridiculous. It's a novelty. It sounds like it. It sounds like an album that you buy for a child.
You know, the album featured contributions from Jay-Z, Mos Def, Jamie Foxx. Obviously because of the song that's been it's been in the top five for a while now.
Slow jams, yes.
Slogans and Ludacris. Ludacris was on the college dropout, which I did not know. It was praised for his production. He's wrapping the balance of self examination and.
Was he?
Dream earned him several accolades, including nominations for Album of the Year and Best Rap Album at the 2000. 5 Grammy Awards. Obviously featured slow jams and the song that we've talked about before through the wire.
In the same hospital with Biggie, Smalls died, that Doctor said. I have blood clots, but I ain't your naked man story on MTV and I ain't trying to make a band, I swear this right here. History in the making, man.
All three.
I really apologise this. You know. Right now it's it's it's unclear at all, man. You got my mouth. Why? It's chef like download.
Baby, wanna get that?
Hear that stuff in the background? It's too much.
He wrote and recorded the song with his jaw wide shut after the car crash in October 2002.
Speaking of self examination. Yeah. Well, you can hear it in his.
You can. Yeah. You can tell there's some samples. Shaka Khan's 1985 single through the fire. Hmm. Her son. And this has sort of come to light recently. Her son convinced her to clear the sample. So shine off.
Cause shows like I'm gonna sue this guy.
No, no, no. He asked. He asks. No, he asked. He said, can I sample your song through the fire?
How dare? Turn me into a chipmunk. I'm Chucka Khan, not Alvin.
And Shaka Khan's son is like mom Mumsy. This is Kanye. This is you say yes. Say yes to ye, but she didn't hear from him or get the details on how he planned to use the song.
Yeah, easy. Yeah.
Sorry, that's on you. You probably should have asked what he was going to do with. It but instead you signed off on it.
Or perhaps he should have sought permission. Oh, he. Did seek him. I'm so confused again.
He asked. He saw he paid her. He said. I'd like to use through the fire on my song.
Right.
Through and she went. What money? Good. Great. Excellent.
The wire. And her song, her son said yes, you should do it. He paid her, but he never told her what he was gonna do with it or how he was gonna sample. And when she heard it speed up, Chipmunk style, she was really offended and she was upset about sounding like a chipmunk.
I of course. She was gonna kick a bottle. She was gonna Chuck a Khan. Chaka Khan.
Chaka. Chaka. Chaka.
In a Rolling Stone interview last year, she now says that she didn't. She doesn't hold on to the grudge that she had against him, and understands that altering songs and samples is simply a part of hip hop culture that she didn't comprehend. The time she said that if she understood the rap game more completely like she does now.
Right.
It wouldn't have been a big deal, so it took her 20 years. But she's come around now. She's alright, just comfortable with it.
Right. Well, Tucker Khan now understands the rap game.
Is that right? She does. And look, to be honest, the fire peaked at #60 when it was released in the 80s through the wire #15 on the same chart. So it's more successful. So was it a little bit of sour grapes as well, perhaps?
Ohh so he he he charted higher. I don't know. I mean, she sounds like with the pitching up that.
I do love. I do. For though.
Chaka Khan, yeah.
Umm that I feel for you. So great, son. Umm, very good film. I did a ballet dance to one of.
Ohh, that's a good song Chaka Khan.
Her songs once it's good.
Chaka Khan.
Yeah, fast. Yes. Well, the modern dance, it wasn't like.
Ballet. That's extraordinary. Right.
It wasn't like, you know, pointy shoes and tutus. It was.
Right. Adidas and.
Marion Atkins School of Modern Dance.
Did they pitch? It up so that you did it. Really quick. Ohh.
No, no, no. Just.
It's a shame, because then it would have. Been like jazzercise. Let's go to Australian albums big debut Australian album from a A a classic, a classic Australian wow, that's a bridge too far.
Ah yes, please. Australian of the Year every year. Shannon now.
Nice Southern Cross tattoo mate said no one ever.
That's what I'm talking about. He's debut studio album debuts at #1 on the Aria Charts, obviously including the number one four times Platinum debut single. What about me?
But what about the one that was? I've got a big car, I've got a big, black shiny car.
Some Kanye layering. I was laughing.
It's from the video clip, so he's he's having a good old chuckle. I don't know. He might have run over a room or something, like on the back, back roads of Qdoba.
Do a bit of circle work. Bit of circle work it's. I don't know any other songs of that album.
Stupid kangaroo. Let's drive the.
But what about me?
Very generic. It's got, it's got a lot of that BMG and I think he was on BMG. Wasn't he? I don't know. It sounds like that BMG choirboys generic.
Does sound a bit quiet. Busy, doesn't it? Yeah.
Control C Control V production. It is, but it's true. Let's face it like this is this is the off the back of idol. He's doing what he's told.
Oh, that's hush. Yeah. And you've. Gotta. He's only just come second. He's already got. A number, yeah, but. But yes. We have solved the modern day unsolvable mystery. Of the angels brought me here. Noisy. You know the ones we thought we ended up that ended up in landfill, that we've been, you know, we've been sleuthing for the last, oh, 2.5 months.
Ohh please. Don't tell me this is gonna be an anti climax. Where is it? Where is it? What's?
Well, the album, that's what I'm talking about. Limited edition copies were housed in a slip case that also contains. A bonus disc of his version of Angels brought me here.
So they're like they're they're just sitting here, just going. We've pressed so many copies of this. How are we gonna put these albums off? And they're just, like, just slip it in with the other.
They just repackaged it. They slipped it in there. Yeah, CD single with the with the album bonus disc, yes.
One. Yeah, yeah. And call it a bonus and. Charge people $32 instead of.
I'm glad we've. I'm glad we have some resolution. Save us digging up the backyards.
Yeah, you know what? I can sleep again. And that's a good thing. Yeah, yeah.
And from though. Very worried, but yes, there's the answer over to the charts now. So number one on the Australian charts is what about me, Shannon Nong.
Ohh good. Yes. You OK? Was that stupid? Take me to the clouds above the U2 Whitney Houston mash up.
All verses and they had some letters EDL.
Yeah, yeah. UDO have to have a few of them to enjoy that music. Anyway, let's listen to the Billboard charts for this week.
So yeah.
OK.
Y'all don't wanna hear me. You just wanna dance.
Don't want to meet your daddy?
Samantha ventures.
Ohh Mel rattle mouth, what do? We got.
OK, you don't know my name. Alicia Keys, #5.
OK, well, I do. You're Alicia Keys. Who doesn't?
No, I'm Mel brand new, brand new entry into the US top five, yeah, by usher, featuring Little John and Ludacris. We'll circle back in a moment. Hey, ya. Outcast #3 slow jams, #2. And the way you move. Outcast #1.
Oh, sorry. Wow. Yeah. Good. Right. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
OK.
Wood, wood.
That would be really annoying. I feel like that song is about usher in a club and some really ****** woman is like dancing with him and just continually. Yeah. And continually screaming. Yeah.
Your name.
At the top of it because he says he says this, he goes. She's all up on me screaming. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean.
Pulsating like the diamonds in the sky.
Possibly it'd be quite. I'd be like security. Yes. Can you come and get the get this ***** off me?
Can you remove this woman off my leg? Yeah, was the lead single from Usher's fourth studio album, Confessions. The album incorporates krunk and R&B.
Well, what's crunk again?
Crunk is, I think, little John. Ohh, no little John coined the term crunk, and B crunk is a sub genre of southern hip hop. So Ludacris is from the South as well. And it was one of the more nightclub oriented genres, so.
Right. Right.
Tempo. Pretty good, bit of a banger on the floor and the. And bit of call and response kind of thing happening and multi layered since which we all just witnessed lots of layers of synth, it topped the US billboard Hot 100 chart for 12 consecutive weeks.
12 weeks of year.
Bumped out only because Usher released his follow up single burns. Yeah, I know. Yeah. The longest running number one single for 2004, subsequently topping the year end chart on the Billboard Hot.
100.
Well, yeah. Does that make it? That makes him platinum. At some stage there, doesn't it? Yeah, I think he was platinum in America. I mean Australia, which is who you sold about four copies to get platinum in Australia, Belgium, Canada, Germany, Norway. Two time Platinum certification in New Zealand, where platinum twice in New Zealand. Do you know in New Zealand, I think there's five. Cheap for every one person. So to go 2 times Platinum, I think maybe the sheep probably had to buy a. Few albums as well. Next thing I knew, she was all up on me screaming.
Oh my gosh.
Sorry about that. Apologies to our New Zealand listener.
Yes, yeah, yeah. I love people finding random objects around the home that sound like.
You ohh. This is a viral thing, isn't it?
The yeah, the IT was featured on. So he's doing the the Super Bowl half time entertainment show and as part of the advertising for that, I think it features a couple of them. So we did some digging and we found things that sound like, yeah, let's start with the oven door.
Yes. I mean, yeah, yeah.
That's good.
OK, that's good. That's good.
Pretty, pretty realistic. The dish rack.
It's that's very similar to the oven door.
Bit higher pitched.
There is an opportunity for a collaboration between Usher and WD40 here.
And a house door.
They all sound exactly the same.
They do well, that's because it's they sound like, yeah.
Yeah, our door just creaked open then, and it didn't sound anything like it, so that was very disappointing. No, no, no, no.
I do have the ********* guide for the recorder if you'd like a rendition. I do know how to play.
I beg your pardon.
Here on the recorder.
I think you need to be very careful with with your terminology there, because I believe when you're referring to hip hop artists and *********, the legal jargon is actually digital penetration.
OK. No, look, I've got the official ********* guide.
Ohh OK. The digital penetration guide. Ohh God, how many fingers are you using? Three. I count 3 so far. No wonder she was saying. Yeah.
Up there. Let's go. That's that one. That's that one. That's that one. Also, it's. Lots of fingers, all right. All right, we ready? Yeah, that sounds like.
It didn't. It. Yeah. I think I'll stick to the. Oven door. Ohh you.
On look that was, that was straight away and I was. I was reading the ********* chart on another monitor. I had a bit more time to rehearse, like if I was doing the half time entertainment at the Super Bowl, I'll spend a little bit more time honing.
Hmm, yeah, I think you need to practise.
My craft.
Practise your *********. Yes, the Super Bowl halftime show. Now this will be happening pretty much the day that this podcast comes out for 5th of Feb no.
Yes. So we haven't seen it. We don't know what's going on yet, just like we don't know who's. Saying we we don't know exactly what's happening at the hard times.
No, that's right. Now this is all part of the NFL Rock Nation partnership that Jay-Z so Jay-Z is doing the Rock Nation thing with the NFL, which was announced in 2017 as a plan to kind of spearhead and advise on the selection of artists for the NFL tent pole performances, including the Super Bowl. So this is a direct response to growing criticism of the NFL after Colin. And and his people began highlighting racial disparities amongst NFL's ownership and coaching. Right. So, you know, Kaepernick takes in the all this controversy comes up a lot of the white team owners are like, hey, man, like, just get out there and do what you paid to do. And everyone's like, whoa. And then Jay-Z gets involved. This is really interesting sound. Like, where? There's a press. I think it's like a press conference or something with Jay-Z is sitting here with Roger Goodell, the Commissioner of. NFL and it's not too long after the capping thing. It's in the same season.
I think it's part of this partnership deal. I think that's when, yeah.
Yeah. And like Jay-Z saying to everyone, I think we're all past taking a knee and the response, there was a lot of backlash against Jay-Z for that. So you sell out, mate. Like, what are you doing? You're sitting there with, like, I think the word Uncle Tom was bandied around, which I, I mean, I don't think I'm in any position to use that word.
Fair enough. Yeah.
That they there was a lot of talk about Jay-Z completely selling out and dealing, like sitting there with his big white suited up commissioner Roger Goodell saying, you know, no more kneeling and all of that. Sort of stuff.
When when Kaepernick first did it, I think Jay-Z showed support for him. Beyoncé certainly did as well. So a complete turn around.
Yeah. Well beyond. We'll see.
Beyoncé had done a halftime show that was really criticised because her dancers were dressed up as Black Panthers and there was a lot of that imagery in there, so this was. Interesting and yeah, really strange to see him sidle up with the Commissioner of the NFL and just be like, yeah, right, we're done with that. Let's move on.
And a lot of performers boycotted being part of the half time entertainment when all of that was happening. Rihanna was one example. So she's heavily criticised for performing at last year's Super Bowl after refusing to do so a few years earlier. Hush.
Yeah, but then she agreed, and then they criticised her. Yeah. Well, a lot of people criticised because they thought a performance was garbage as well, you know. I mean, you had Doctor Dre and Snoop Dogg the year before, Rhianna as well, yeah.
Yeah. And I I don't think they. Receive quite as much. Back I don't recall them receiving any but it.
Was what's interesting is since the capping thing, I think they had Lady Gaga did did a halftime show, and then there's.
Shakira and Jayla, or was free.
I think that might have been a that might have been a different one, but what we've seen is we've seen, you know, Doctor Dre, Snoop Dogg, Rihanna. Usher like there's a lot of black artists that are now doing it. Posts all of that sort of stuff and I think it's been a few years. Like you'll say, I'd like Bruno Mars and Coldplay, and it was all very vanilla at a state. But then you had the weekend where everyone wanted the weekend to end and all of that stuff. So I don't know. I don't know if there's a connection there probably isn't. But a lot of these people that said that they weren't.
On the weekends.
Going to support it then end up doing that and like it's a big ticket item like the exposure that you get from doing a halftime show is huge.
And I think a lot of these artists are signed to his rock nation. Rock Nation is kind of, it's not just a label, it's a whole entertainment entity. It's some big conglomerate and.
Right.
He represents artists, he he he produces the albums, but he also represents them in his talent management and all kinds of things. So I think a lot of these artists are actually on the Rock Nation roster, so they're probably under contract to have to accept as well. They probably don't. I don't know if they get a lot of choice in the matter.
Well the thing. With the Rihanna one that was interesting as well, in spite of the fact that she was criticised for saying that she wasn't gonna do it. And doing she did know when she was quite heavily pregnant as well, and it was quite suggestive. I didn't think it was too bad. I was waiting for the game to start again. If I'm being honest.
I was waiting for other performance to come out with that one. I was surprised that it was just her, actually.
Well, we're talking about it's like midday. It's maybe midday 30. I've been drinking beer since 10:00 and we're only halfway through the game.
She's pregnant and in freaking spandex and dancing around. That's a hard ask. That is a.
I'm thinking about the outcome of the competition. You know, I'm fairly certain that, you know, the Kansas City were the Kansas City Chiefs in that one, I don't know. Anyway, I wasn't really interested in who.
Hot ask when you're pregnant.
Won that.
Game not ushers. First time grabbing the microphone. He appeared as a guest during the Black Eyed Peas performance at Super Bowl XLV.
No, no. Well, that would have lifted.
And he's just wrapped up his residency in Las Vegas that started in 2021. He's very excited to do it, he said. It's the. Honour of a lifetime.
The residency in Vegas. Superbowl OK, symbol.
And has not said if he's gonna have any guests at this stage at time of recording. He hasn't said whether or not he's gonna have anyone popping up as a guest. Performer hasn't given any hints around what he might be performing.
Little John's pop. Up Ludacris, surely?
I think ludicrous. I think ludicrous because ludicrous collabed on. Yeah, but they did a lot of other songs as well. There was Peaches which might have been as someone else's song, but usher and ludicrous were both on it. There was a Bieber that was the Bieber song. There was another song lovers and friends. There was rest of my life. There's three or four songs. That ludicrous features on he's done a duet with Alicia Keys, my Boo, maybe Alicia Keys. And I think Alicia Keys is on the.
Right.
Name Rock Nation representation thing as well. So potentially Alicia please.
Contractually obligated to show up.
You could argue, potentially Diddy, cause there was. I need a girl part one. But given all the press at the moment with did he potentially not. But what do you reckon do? Yeah. Has to be. Yeah. Has to be part of this and this surely biggest song of 2004.
I don't think I think daddy's. Keeping a low profile. I guess. The what's the what's the the one that you turn?
DJ got us falling in love. That was a synthy dancey one. Baby. Tonight you make me wanna was his big.
I don't know what.
Right.
That one. What's that? The with the? No, but you do it so well. It's right up there with your ********* technique. What?
One in the 90s.
Was it the burn one? Maybe they'll do burn.
Yeah, yeah, that's the one that knocks the air off the charts. But he's also got all those songs that start with you, so he might too.
I I feel like burn is the sequel to yeah, cause he's had the psycho chick dancing up on him all night and then he's taken her home and then he's woken up in the morning and he's feeling the burn. Yeah, the burn.
Ohh well little issue. A little issue afterwards, yeah? Eventually, he's got a lot of songs that start with the letter U. Maybe he'll do a U medley. You remind me you got it bad U turn. You don't have to call. Ohh. He might do some use.
Yeah, well, that goes back to the New Zealanders that we're putting people on the charts as well. Over to entertainment, film, TV number one in the US box office is is a film that was produced by Ice Cube. Do you remember Barber shop?
I do. I loved that movie.
Well, a lot of people loved it. They loved it so much that they were inspired to create a sequel, which is Barbershop 2 back in business.
Business for generations, Calvin's barbershop has been the place where you can say anything.
There's something wrong with our Kelly man y'all.
See the tape? I think it was set up.
Set up now, he set up the camera.
On everyone knows your business.
Ohh me I know. Huh? I have to count and I stopped dating. He opted for the small instead of.
Now you know that.
Should have been your baby, right?
The Super size.
Be wary.
Calvin, come look, man, what the hell is nappy cuts?
Last week I had me a milk bath.
They did this.
You'll be out of business in. Six months.
Now to save the neighbourhood.
We're about to get proactive rather than reactive.
Here, with the man saying this, activate the talk. You'll have to fight.
If they want to send us back in, it's on and cracking.
Just a little off the. Top please. Ohh yeah, it's cracking up in here.
They tried with this one, they tried to emulate the success of the first one and I think they just tried a little. Bit too hard was.
Wasn't quite the same, so there was a rival barbershop wasn't there across the road.
Yeah, nappy cuts. It's kind of like, I think if you liken it to our situation, it would be. Like the Barber shop in Mittagong was called Charlie's and every single person that went to Charlie's because Charlie owned the Barber shop and his three sons worked in there as well. And every single person came out with exactly the same haircut.
Same same haircut. Did they have a little picture on the wall? Like when you go and get a tattoo, I'll have the Charlie.
Well basically, and every picture was the same. So you, you know.
The number one. Was it a? Bowl cut? Was it a cut? Was it?
It was a SBS short back inside. Yeah, I I think you could get it. You could get a flat top if you were.
OK, that's respectable.
Going saucy at Charlie's, and he did do a mean flat top from memory.
Did Charlie get a rival across the?
Because I remember a couple of years. Road. Well, it's the what I look like in barbershop Two's plot. Two is if Charlie is sitting there. You know, down the road from the Mittagong railway station.
Creating numerous Charlies in his everyday.
Creating Charlie's and flat tops and then all of a sudden just cuts comes in across the. And there's a little cardboard cut out of grant denier in the front there, and you can check in via the app.
Yes, and the justice, justice crew shampoo, conditioner. Just angler. Just a screw gel.
And Charlie, Charlie's like, what is this sorcery? So that that's the that's the white. Well, you can't. That's the white version of Barber shop to. It's about as close as I can get to.
How can you compete with? That hmm. I think I'd enjoy.
That I like. I was a fan of the first barbershop. Yeah, you have to say it's just great in that. And. And he had a few people back. Cedric the entertainer, I think came.
Good, good, good soundtrack.
Back, etcetera. But just.
Eve was.
And he was in it as well. Yeah. Didn't do that. Well, it just didn't. It just didn't capture the magic. They tried to bottle lightning and they couldn't do it. And it's it's that funny the resurgence of the Barber shop now, like, go to the mall.
Yes, there's more Barber shops than hair salons these days.
Barber shops everywhere.
Yeah, well.
I feel left out.
I mean, it's taken me till I'm nearly 50 years old to be able to grow a beard. So I do. I don't frequent frequent, would not be the word that I would use, but I do go to the Barber from time to time. Just.
No, I wouldn't.
For a bit of banter and.
I know, and I know when you've been because I get in the house like, what is that smell?
It's sandalwood. I smell like a second hand furniture shop.
It is a bit it is. A bit old man furniture Polish.
Yeah, it really is. It really is.
It's like, what is that you're like?
But I I.
Oh, I had a big trim today.
I don't mind the experience of a beard trim and a hot towel.
Maybe you should use justice crew beard gel.
I don't think I wanna do. I'm scared that things will start falling out of me. But it's a nice. It's a nice thing to go to the Barber shop and big bears. You get a free beer at the barbershop. Yeah. At the Barber shop. I go to free beer and there's usually some sport on the TV and I don't know about the cleanliness factor cause his dogs are allowed in.
Maybe that would smell a bit.
Is it you enjoy it. Now the truth comes out now. That's why he lost it.
The shop as well.
Hmm. Big dogs.
But I don't mind. Because they are big dogs bigger than the dogs that are cutting hair anyway we and if they want to sponsor us, I'll say their name. But until that happens, we'll just press on to the next thing. The number one film in Australia, which was a Tim Burton movie starring Ewan McGregor.
Not going to argue. In telling the story of my father's life. It's impossible to separate fact from the fiction. The man from the myth. The best I can do is to tell it. The way he.
Told me.
If there was. Thing you can say about it, Boo Boo.
Was that I was intended for larger things. I was the biggest thing Ashton had ever seen.
From the imagination of director Tim Burton.
Most men, they'll tell you stories straight. True. It will be complicated. But it won't be interesting either.
Did you ever think that maybe you're not too big? This town is just too small.
They say when you meet the love of your life, time stops. And that's true. Your mother was never supposed to marry me. She was engaged to somebody else.
Forget it, kid. Don't waste your time. She's out of your league. Sure I do. You are hot stuff backing Nick here. But here in the real world, you got squat.
You don't even know me. Now. I may not have much, but I have more determination than any man you're ever likely to make.
Sandra Templeton, I love you and I will marry you.
Ohh I just did it. I did a usher thing. This is like Tim Burton's Forrest Gump.
Oh, was it?
I don't know that it was, but it just it it it has echoes of that running through it, you know it's Edward Bloom, who's played by Albert Finney. And I believe you and McGregor. He becomes ill and his son. You might remember the voice of Billy Crudup.
Ohh from the American Express.
From the American Express commercials and of course, the TV show, Morning Wars and various other films. He's a great actor. He that's his son, travels to be with him. He has this really strange relationship because his father's always told really exaggerated stories about his life. And the film is kind of him telling all the stories even though he his son doesn't think he's telling the truth.
That's right.
And on his deathbed, he continues to tell these stories. And so William Billy, the son who is a journalist, investigates all these tales and he understands that he does well. He does have, like, this Penhall full storytelling. There's some kind of truth in it. And I can't remember I it was a long time. And I. Kind of forgot.
Speaking of truth, I need to make a. What I referred to the just cuts shampoo, conditioner, styling, Rangers, justice crew wasn't that like a A?
You've got talents.
That was a dance for you, yeah.
It's called justice professional. Sorry. Let me let me correct that. It's a big Jay justice profession.
Right.
I'm sorry, justice crew. You were a great. Act. You're a great act at the time and I didn't mean to confuse you with detangler.
OK, I understand. Excellent. Well and yes, you well, if you're a dance crew, deep being detangled is important.
Yes, it is. The first things you learn.
For the limbs going anyway, that was well, whatever big fish moving on.
Ohh, tweens were in tears 14th of February 2004. Ohh.
As as was. I after being on the flight to Wales. Girls and having to watch that movie a couple of times.
Yeah, I forgot. Lizzie McGuire ends on the 14th of February 2004. This is the series that stars Hilary Duff. It's a Disney thing, isn't it? I think it's Disney she learns to navigate the personal and social issues of her teenage years while she attends junior high with her best friends Miranda and Gordo.
Yeah, it's very it's very good.
And they have a rivalry with their classmate Kate's classmates. Kate. Ethan. Ohh. There's an and there's a cartoon version of.
Yeah. And there's like some kind of 4th wall animated stuff. Yeah, so. Final scene from the final episode.
Are you finished yet? You had my yearbooks like. A month. It's it's not quite right yet. You yourself said how important what you write is. So don't read. It still needs a little work. You know? Yeah, sure. And don't even think about reading now, OK?
Well, the little peak won't hurt.
Dear Lizzy, you rock. Don't ever change. And only I really mean it.
That is so sweet.
Ohh my gosh.
Yeah. Wouldn't you love to just have that little quirky Disney orchestra doing all those sounds things as you're performing various activities around the house, like taking the garbage out like, yeah.
To your life, you're moving. You're moving through life. Look affirmations. That'd be good.
Yeah. Make it so much more entertaining, wouldn't it? Anyway, Lizzie McGuire.
That's very sad. 65 episodes. Obviously, the feature film that you loved from 2003.
Wasn't that sad? Saved my life that episode. Yeah. Save me from.
Sounds like it.
A mid air disaster.
There was talk of a reboot. There was apparently negotiations around that and I think.
Some reviews.
I believe that writing had started. No, no, no. It was like her now. It was Lizzie today, Lizzie, 20 years later.
How are they gonna deage Hillary Duff? He's like 40. Ohh. Couple of kids hanging off their hips and you know, dealing with life.
Rumours. Yeah. Rumour has it.
This is where this soundtrack would apply. It'd be very relatable.
Yes, but apparently I think some of the themes that they are wanting to include.
Right.
Were a bit too much for Disney and it got canned. Well, that was, I think that was her interpretation of why it didn't happen. But Disney Disney said they had a they had a change of focus.
Like Lizzie McGuire having a couple of. Couple of sneaky chardonnays at 11:00 AM after dropping the kids off at school.
I don't know exactly what the plot was, but yeah, her her take on it was that Disney wasn't really ready for some of those then. Whereas I think the official Disney World was that they were. Moving in a different direction.
Yeah, I'm on Disney. How can you not be ready for those kind of themes? I mean, Disney owned everything. If you wanna own everything. Disney, you have to be prepared to accept. You've gotta be prepared to accept the themes, you know, otherwise we're not gonna be walking around the house with that quirky little soundtrack, which I just.
You have to own all the themes. All the things, yes, every theme.
Think would be so wonderful. Tis the homestretch. Hatches, matches and dispatches. That's the only thing you need that takes you through from birth all the way through to death. That that little thing there that is like everyone's life in.
It's a circle of. Life in 2.7 seconds.
It's not really a circle, it's more of a straight line. You know? It's like you're born, you go through some stuff and then you die, which maybe was the theme that Lizzie McGuire was trying to tackle that Disney didn't approve of.
The trajectory of life. I'm not sure, I'm not sure said theme was it was a theme.
When you wish upon a star, let's do this. Your ********* was really good on that one.
Ohh I had more practise for that one this one. Well this one was off the cuff off the computer screen. So what?
Was clean.
Yes. Yeah.
Do you expect? Well, you're kind of noodling. I'd rather you didn't. Ohh Christ.
You move, do it again. Hang on. Let's see. Hang on. I think I can remember. It was better, it's getting better.
Yeah, Nah, it should be cold. Yeah. Nah. Instead of. Yeah. Anyway, it's the hatches, matches and dispatches. Clue celebrity. Having a birthday. Who said this?
It'll be better next week.
But I just wanted to know, do you know somebody name?
Somebody named whom?
No, no, no. Not usher. Who?
Brandy Nolan.
If you said Brandy Norwood.
Would also accept just.
Brandy was, she is. Is is her father, the founder of the crematorium out in Mitchell Norwood Park, yes.
Yes, and special deal going for the month of February only that if you you book in advance you get a COB low from Tiffany Cobbs for.
Ohh really? And also also if you choose to have any of Brandy's music played at your box party, you get 15% off.
For the catering. Great. That's a that's a very good deal.
Excellent brand because so who is Brandy Norwood? Because people are like, who, yes, well, obviously, cause that was a song, yes.
Singer, singer, songwriter, actress, model, play the rest of the songs.
You do the things you do.
Yeah, Mel, still not really ringing any.
Bells. Are you serious? Brandy and Monica? Brandy versus Monica. The boy is mine. That song was massive, late 90s.
No, no. The only Brandy I know is. The drink that's sitting in the back of the cupboard, that's always a bad decision when you run out of all the alcohol in the house and you decide to start drinking that or the cooking cherry. Yeah. And then Monica is some chick off.
That's how I feel about cooking one.
Friends, that's that's what I know.
No, no Brandy. Monica, the boy is mine. She is also the older sister of Ray J. As in, you know, Kim K Ray J? Ohh yeah. Yes. Also cousin of Snoop Dogg. Andy and rager. Well, their brother and sister. So they're both cousins of Snoop dogs. Yes.
Right.
Ohh the Ray J. Yeah, I know who Ray J is. Yeah. I mean, who doesn't know? Who Ray J is. Who? Great day, Randy. I like, really. I like cousins, cause you know how? Like that, like Snoop Dogg calls everyone his nephew and cousin the Jew. That's like Sasha Banks, the wrestler. Think is like.
Cuz no legit legit cousins. Legit cousins.
A niece of Snoop dogs.
Well, I guess he's got a lot of relatives.
Christmas would be interesting at his place, wouldn't it, Sir?
Yes, I'd love to go to that.
So would I, especially because you'd be able to like smoke heaps a weed before Christmas dinner so that you'd have plenty of room. You wouldn't. You wouldn't, like you know.
And Martha might come and bring a place.
Well, Martha Stewart might be. Mulled wine or something there. Yeah. Anyway, sorry. I'd. Yes.
In the place, yes, that would be good. Back to Brandy. It's her birthday on the 11th of February.
Happy birthday, Brandy.
She has sold. Over 40 million records worldwide.
What do you reckon she is? She'll be. In her 40s now for sure, it's.
She's a little bit younger than us. Yeah, she began as a backing vocalist for various teen pop groups and then released her own debut album in 94, which peaked at #20.
Good for her.
And at the time. She was described as a lower key, Janet Jackson or a more stripped down Mary J Blige.
Is that insulting? Lower Key Janet Jackson stripped down Mary J Blige. Or is that?
Yeah. What are you saying? That you like them but ****.
Well, I don't know.
Because I think the lower key. Janet Jackson, little bit.
Go back to family Christmas at Snoop Dogg's house.
She had never her second album, never say never, was what the boy is. Mine was on and it became the most successful song by a female duo in the music industry. And I think exploiting the presumption of a rivalry between women fighting over.
Ohh, right. So Brandy versus fighting over the.
Fighting over a man. Ah, it was #1 for 13 weeks. She is still producing music at the moment.
Because you know the bloke the bloke in in question that they're arguing about with the boys, mind he'd be like I've got the best solution to this. Let's have threesome. That's any bloke you know? Brandy. Monica. There's there's plenty of me to go around. 3 1/2 seconds later. I'm done.
She's obviously very big in the 90s, but she was still releasing music early 2002 thousand and four. She released her for. Album Aphrodisiac, which was produced by Timberland and became her most critically acclaimed album. She's also done a lot of TV and probably the one she's most well known for. Moisha, which we played a bit of where usher was guesting.
Right. Ohh right, Usher was a guest on Malaysia. She was she moisha.
In rush, yeah. She was moesha. She's the Lone Star. Yes, yes. She's done a stint on Broadway in Chicago. She's been on a lot of sitcoms and a reality show with Ray Jay and Mum and Dad just a behind the scenes. Look at the.
Starring Brandy that's so confusing.
The family, the the Norwood family. What they at the cemetery?
You gotta keep working. Yeah. You gotta keep working. Hmm, at that in the Wood Park. Yeah, it's like who we who we throwing into the oven today? You know well, it's a crematorium. Yes. Anyway, I don't think. Look, please don't Fact Check us. I'm fairly certain you understand.
OK. Like wow. Gosh, that just got dark.
That there is no connection between Brandy Norwood and the Norwood Park Crematorium in Mitchell in Canberra.
Full disclaimer and no, no relationship between justice crew and the justice rage.
OK, I'm glad we cleared that up.
At just cut. But pretty sure Tiffany's dad was the inventor. Of the cob loaf, blue cantrell's cops.
Well, that is the end of the show, so maybe we should front load and do a pre recorded disclaimer or something like. I mean T -. 20 takes no responsibility for any misinterpretation where people are led to believe that the Norwood Park Crematorium is by any means connected to Brandy Norwood, the singer of the Boy's Mind, Star of Moesha, and various other productions.
Hmm, good. So good. Good that I think that that that really clarified things for me because I was getting a little bit.
I'll cut and paste. At the start. Yeah, yeah. Also also, anyone who wants to attempt to finger. Yeah. Must do so at their own.
Confused. So thank you. Risk. It is really difficult. What is it? It's RGDGE. At GE Flat GD.
It's 3 chords. It's three chords.
Number a flat a flat requires. 6 1/2 fingers no 6-7 you've got you know you've got the two little holes. Look at this. But see how that one's got two holes? Yeah. You've gotta get one finger over the two holes. And then because it's right down the bottom, you're using your little finger and it's.
Well, you've got stands.
Very problematic, you say. One finger over two holes. Challenge accepted. OK, what's happening next week?
What's happening next week? I don't know. I think we've got, uh, we've got a bit of technology news happening next week. Yeah. And we are going to look into probably one of the biggest music rivalries. Disc tracks back and forth of of 2000 and. Four it was. It was a.
Big deal, I tell you. We've also got a very controversial well, it's not controversial. It's just a sad thing that happened in Australia was the Redfern riots.
Yes, cannot believe that was 20. Years ago.
Yeah. So there's definitely lots to unpack and discuss. I don't know if you want to do it with us. Maybe you want to go and. Look at some more legit sources.
Or you could just have a look on Wikipedia and.
Well, you could you could but ohh look, we are very eternally grateful for you for tuning in to the podcast each and every week, downloading it to your favourites, doing whatever you need to do and sharing with your friends and reviewing it. Yes.
Read it for yourself. And can I just say? And I just say very grateful because someone has jumped on. Apple and given us a review on the 16th of January so week or two ago.
That I I have to say though, that their name does look like an A massive alias. They've just like gone. Oh, I don't know what to put in there. I don't know. It's I don't want. I don't want them or anyone else to know who I am, OK.
My name. Associated with this. Yes, yes, I'm staying low key, but Pip says best podcast ever. Five stars. This is such a great podcast, interesting and formative and entertaining. Joe and Mel have such great chemistry and bounce off each other so well. We gotta put up with it 24/7 just listening to them each week makes me smile and remember things I had forgotten and then learned things I never knew, like Tiffany Cobbs, dad Blue Cantrell.
That is so many episodes.
Ago, my knowledge of US rap and hip hop has never been better.
Really, mines never been worse.
I love that. I love that. I feel so proud.
Thanks you Pip with 27 P's.
That we have school due on US rap and hip hop. Thanks guys. Love you hard. Thank you. That's.
Yes, we got some hard. Eyes to to do those.
So I really do appreciate that that was. Really lovely. Thank you.
Yeah, it's it's that's above and beyond and.
I hope you're still listening. Hope I'm scared. You off? Yeah.
Yeah, especially with all that talk about share and Mel's *********. But anyway it's a big week next week, so stick around for that and thank you again for listening to us and thank you. Peep peep. I'm not sure how to pronounce that with all the P. Please anyway come and find us on the socials, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, look for t -, 20 podcast and I will see you next week. Bye.
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