We’re pretty sure our research this week has us on a watch list somewhere as we look into ammonium nitrate and why this highly explosive chemical needed to be banned way back in 2004. The fun doesn’t stop there either as we take the best parts from Condaleeza Rice when she testifies for over three hours at the 9/11 commission hearings. As promised you can find all the deets here: https://www.9-11commission.gov/hearings/hearing9.htm
In tech news the NYPD launch a new device capable of sniffing out bio terrorism and Apple gets a virus, which is something we thought did not happen to those guys.
In music news Jay Z flicks that ‘Dirt off your shoulder’, J-Kwon releases ‘Hood Hop’ and doesn’t answer his messages and Daniel Johns and Paul Mac release the Dissociatives self titled album.
At the box office Guillermo Del Toro and Ron Perlman breathe life into Mike
Mgnola’s cult comic book hero with ‘Hellboy’ and we explain why Ben Stiller and Owen Wilson underwhelmed us with a rehash of ‘Starsky and Hutch’.
In TV we take a look at a reality show you probably enjoyed but may have forgotten. It didn’t age well either. The Swan saw a team of plastic surgeons and psychologists quite literally pull apart ugly ducklings with psychological and body issues and put them back together as a beautiful swan! What could go wrong?
Have a listen and find out!
Hang with us on socials to chat more noughties nostalgia - Facebook (@tminus20) or Instagram (tminus20podcast). You can also contact us there if you want to be a part of the show.
We’re pretty sure our research this week has us on a watch list somewhere as we look into ammonium nitrate and why this highly explosive chemical needed to be banned way back in 2004. The fun doesn’t stop there either as we take the best parts from Condaleeza Rice when she testifies for over three hours at the 9/11 commission hearings. As promised you can find all the deets here: https://www.9-11commission.gov/hearings/hearing9.htm
In tech news the NYPD launch a new device capable of sniffing out bio terrorism and Apple gets a virus, which is something we thought did not happen to those guys.
In music news Jay Z flicks that ‘Dirt off your shoulder’, J-Kwon releases ‘Hood Hop’ and doesn’t answer his messages and Daniel Johns and Paul Mac release the Dissociatives self titled album.
At the box office Guillermo Del Toro and Ron Perlman breathe life into Mike
Mgnola’s cult comic book hero with ‘Hellboy’ and we explain why Ben Stiller and Owen Wilson underwhelmed us with a rehash of ‘Starsky and Hutch’.
In TV we take a look at a reality show you probably enjoyed but may have forgotten. It didn’t age well either. The Swan saw a team of plastic surgeons and psychologists quite literally pull apart ugly ducklings with psychological and body issues and put them back together as a beautiful swan! What could go wrong?
Have a listen and find out!
Hang with us on socials to chat more noughties nostalgia - Facebook (@tminus20) or Instagram (tminus20podcast). You can also contact us there if you want to be a part of the show.
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The year is 2004. Your polyphonic ringtone habit is sending you broke. George W Bush is sworn in for a second term, and in spite of everything going on, the most controversial thing is a wardrobe malfunction at the Super Bowl. T -, 20 rewind 20 years with Joe and Mel.
Wait.
04 April 2004.
Minus, you know what? I'm very forgetful 20. Hello.
The rest is.
History.
There. Stop trying to make fetch happen.
You're fired.
When we're waiting for.
20.
This is harder than I thought it would be. My fellow Americans. Let's.
Roll.
Just like that, it's it's April. Easter has come and gone, and it's April. Welcome to T -, 20, the podcast where we rewind to this week in history and pop culture 20 years ago with your host Joe and Mel. Hello. Mel, hello, how you? Doing. I'm good. I've I've got. I'm in a bit of a chocolate coma at the moment. But I'm coping with that.
Were you one of those kids that would squirrel away your chocolates? And save them like have one chocolate a week and then you'd save them and you'd forget about them and they'd turn white and then. You'd have to throw them out.
No, I tend to binge on them and then I've got none left now, which is good, because then I don't have to worry about. That's right, they're gone. They're except there are other people in our house that do screw them away, and they linger and linger and linger. And I and they taunt me from the cupboard until they go white and then we throw.
Stay out of the.
House.
Hmm. Yes, yes.
Away. Anyway, very interesting this week in the news.
Ammonium nitrate is a salt made from ammonium and nitric acid, and it's highly explosive.
Highly explosive ammonium nitrate was in the news this time 20 years ago. Yeah, especially if you were going down to Bunnings warehouse.
Big issue. Yes.
Very big issue.
The terrorist threat to our nation did not emerge on September 11th, 2001, long before that day, radical freedom hating terrorists declared war on America and on the civilised world.
That's Condoleezza Rice there giving testimony.
Yes, the 9/11 Commission, that was her testimony there went for something like 3 hours. There was a lot. There was also a lot of questions.
Hmm.
Yeah, she she went on a bit. She prattled on. For a bit.
She's a very.
Good politician Condoleezza Rice, I learned from having watched a good portion of that three hours and. We tell you it was not very exciting.
Or there were. A few interesting comments in there that we'll we'll get through.
There, there were definitely some interesting comments and we'll have the best bits. Yeah, the best bits of Condoleezza Rice's testimony.
She's carrying all that inadequacy that her father feels into her own life. That would be something we need to explore in therapy.
I think she's a difficult. Physical transformation. What do you want to do? With that nose, Randall.
We're gonna find out what Randall wants to do with that nose a little bit later on in the show as well. That was not anybody talking about Condoleezza Rice from the previous bit. It's a completely different bit.
Dying to know what Randall is. Gonna do with the.
Knows.
No, no, a brand new reality show that kicked off this week 20 years ago and a bit of a questionable.
One yes. Now the reality. Of chocolates at this stage, if we could just go back a little bit is back at work almost after the holidays and the charity chocolates are doing around.
Ohh, back to a stone. Ohh someones kid going going away at the end of the year during fundraising.
Well, they're selling. Selling fundraising chocolates for their hockey team or whatever. And they're they're they're they're trying to do that in the week after Easter. And I just don't think that it's a. Very economical move.
No, I don't think the I don't think the timing's quite right. That's poor marketing, really. What are the what are the chocolates though? Are they like your fredos, are they brand name chocolates or do you remember the ones you used to? Yet when you were in high school that were in the box and they were the big long blocks of chocolates and they were only available as fundraising chocolate, you couldn't buy them anywhere else. And they were delicious.
Yes. Yes. Yeah, these are just just, yeah, these are just the run of the mill Cadbury ones. But I think that there is a lot more sense in creating, you know, a brand of chocolate that can only be purchased via a school fundraiser and they're they're much more sought after item. And we're, we're funny like that. You know, like, people queue up around the block.
Ah.
Hmm. Exclusive.
Yes.
Yes.
With things like that, like in Canberra, a couple of. Weeks ago they had the in and out burger Pop.
Up. Ohh, I'd queue up for that.
And people queued up for hours for in and out burger. See, I wouldn't, because the thing with Canberra is Canberrans love a queue and they love charity chocolates but they love a queue. They'll stand in a queue for hours.
And not even know where it's going. Listen, you there must be something good at the.
That one right?
End of it. I'm just going to jump in.
I yeah, I just thought it was something good. I thought people were selling drugs. Something I don't know, but it's like they'll queue up for hours. You put a queue in front of a canberran and they're in heaven, so queuing up for charity chocolates could be a.
Hmm hmm.
Thing I read something funny the other day. It said that children are the best fundraisers because they don't understand economics principle. The student who raises $500.00 for the school will get this free hat. 12 year old me. That's such a great deal. Remember that with the with the fundraising chocolates. Remember, with the the Ms Readathon you'd read 500 books and you'd get a bookmark.
Yes. Then you get a dollar and a.
Jump rope for. Heart. You had to skip all freaking day in the Midsummer heat and you got a free skipping rope.
Hmm.
Well, you didn't get a free skipping rope. You had. No, you had to. Because I I I did jump rope for one one year, one year I went hell for leather with jump rope for heart. I went, I got got my dad to pass it around to all his work colleagues. And all of that sort of thing. I got my mum to pass around it. Yeah, the grandparents.
Do. Have to buy it. Why you had to get ohh you you got sponsors. Did you do the double Dutch? Ohh yeah. Son is gonna do this skipping.
I I milked it for all. It was worth, and I think I raised. About 100 bucks.
That's a lot in old. Money.
In the in the late 80s, yes, it was. Yes, it was. And I got a free skipping rope. And because it was the 80s, I then proceeded to after I was naughty, get belted with that skipping.
Shouldn't feel lost.
Did you get?
They were very whippy the jump rope, the IT was the Heart Foundation ones. Yeah, with the plastic handles. They were very.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. The basically the.
Witty.
You wouldn't want to do Peppers with those out.
No. Ohh yeah. I I I couldn't do Peppers these days to double unders. Wow, now you're talking. Yeah. And they they served 2 purposes. 1 to get your children fit and two to flog them.
Or double under.
Sorry, it's all the sugar. It's all the sugar. It's sending me off on tangents already. Ohh.
Maybe you need to do some skipping work. Some of that sugar off.
I need to skip a few meals. I think that's all I need to do. OK, so the hatches matches and dispatches clue. This week we have a celebrity who is having a birthday. He said this.
One of the magic things about about music is you put the song out in the world and it has this little adventure without you, and I quite like seeing how other people view it and what their relationship with the song is like. And I think it's quite a good instinct to follow because I think what's happened with Saltburn has been incredible. So. Yeah, I'm all for the magic of like what might happen next, really.
Couple of things. One, the compression on the microphone that that person is using is off the charts. It's just unbelievable too. There's a bit of a clue there. So if anyone seen the movie Saltburn, that's person song features quite heavily in it. I've probably given it away, but I think it was a pretty.
Hmm. Hmm.
Easy one anyway.
Yes.
Here is the news.
We'll start with the 5th of April 2004, Australia's biggest supplier of the common fertiliser, ammonium nitrate, decides to pull the product from its stores in response to concerns that it could be used by.
Terrorists, that's a good response. It's pretty volatile. This sort of stuff.
Ammonium nitrate is a salt made from ammonium and nitric acid, and it's highly explosive. It can be made cheaply, and it's often used to increase the nitrogen content of fertilisers. But it has a dangerous downside. It's an oxidizer, which means it removes electrons from other molecules. That means it makes more oxygen available for burning fuels. For this deadly reaction to occur, ammonium nitrate must come into contact with an open flame and the fertiliser has been used in terrorist attacks as well. In 1995, Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols packed ammonium nitrate fertiliser into trucks and bombed a federal building in Oklahoma City, killing 186 people. Because of its danger and potential use by terrorists, access to ammonium nitrate is strictly regulated in most places, including the United States.
That was from the live Science YouTube channel, which is one of my favourite YouTube channels at the moment. I've learned so much from like I actually feel halfway intelligent after watching live science.
So it's the curiosity show for adults mature age curiosity.
Yes, without Dean and Rob, without the sideburns and the moustaches they were. And really, I mean, is it really science if there aren't sideburns and moustaches?
Oh, they were great. On flares, corduroy flares.
Yeah, I think.
That did that. Just scream science. Forget the lab.
Coats. Cord flares. Yeah.
Yeah. And the big, big lapels, the big lapels. Sticking out from the jumper.
Then I know I'm going to learn something about chemistry or physics.
I agree occasionally you're skivvy. Yeah. Yeah. Live science. Ammonium nitrate. Do you know? Do you remember that big explosion in Beirut back in August? In 2020, there was the viral videos everywhere. There was like a fire. And then there was this colossal explosion and massive shockwave heaps of people were filming it on their phones. And it like, knocked them to the ground. It was. It was terrifying, that is.
Hmm.
This.
That was allegedly from ammonium nitrate. They they think that a fireworks factory went up near an ammonium nitrate factory and a spark from the fireworks skipped over to the ammonium nitrate factory.
Oh my gosh.
Why would you have? Those two factories near each other.
Yeah, it's well, it's not great. I don't know if it's a factory or they were being. It was being stored on a Wharf. Anyway, the consequences were catastrophic. So it's a pretty nasty substance. And that's why they decided to.
Oh my gosh.
Pull it from the shelf so and if you did buy large amounts of fertiliser, you automatically kind of were put on a watch list as well.
Yes.
Yeah, well, this time 20 years ago, it was incitec pivot supplied around 80% of the 40,000 tonnes a year that we used here in Australia. They said they'd no longer sell the products because of its use by terrorists and bombings. They just didn't want that risk out. There they also plan to introduce restrictions on the sale and storage of a similar product, which was calcium ammonium nitrate, which could also be used as an explosive.
The. The problem with this is that the farming industry used it quite widely for what it was intended for, which was fertiliser, so there was a lot of backlash from Australian farmers about them restricting the sale and pulling it off the shelves.
Hmm.
Hmm.
Yeah, it was widely used in the horticultural sector, particularly in the southern cropping states where soils can lack nitrogen. But the chief executive of Incitec pivot said that the company had decided to follow Canberra's leads by restricting access to the chemical and believe they.
Hmm.
Not not Canberra's lead, because if it was Canberra's lead then they'll be standing in a queue for in and out burger. It's the Australian governments lead you know because we're from Canberra, people get annoyed when they say Canberra did this and it's like we didn't do anything. The people that come in you flying into town and sit in that place on the hill that make all the decisions, that's got nothing to do.
The government made yes.
Oh.
Us being Canberra.
They felt that continuing to sell it wasn't necessary because there were alternative products available that could replace ammonium nitrate fertiliser.
Lori Chuck poo. Better Chuck poo.
So therefore they reduced it from the market, which would have had a pretty big impact on their bottom line. I would suspect given that they sold around 40,000 tonnes a year. So I don't think it was a decision that they would have taken lightly.
No, the company took a big hit, but I think it was the responsible thing to do and the statement well, like we said before, the National Farmers Federation. Not very happy saying it was a premature decision that was being done because it was a knee jerk reaction to all of this stuff and that they were concerned that the preoccupation of governments with ammonium nitrate as a chemical of choice for bomb making may actually overlook many other hazardous substances that are readily available.
Hmm yeah seems like.
And I don't really know what they are they're saying like pool chemicals like chlorine and stuff.
Or. Yet other fertilisers.
Like that? Well, I. Don't think that they really I I think that that's incorrect from the National Farmers Federation really because there was all it was the same with pool chemicals and things like that. That you you were very much. I think I don't know that you had to register to purchase pool chemicals.
I I do recall something about showing ID.
There was something at point of sale about so that you needed to.
'S at some stage. Umm.
And you had. Be over. A certain age, yeah. Yeah. And they kept your details.
Exactly. So I don't know and I don't know if the stores made note of you, if you had chlorine or not, but like.
Hmm.
I do have a question, does anything bad happen if you Google ammonium nitrates?
What's the question?
Oh.
I was pulling together the show and I was trying to figure out exactly what it was so I it is in the.
Search history. So was I.
We might be on a.
Watch list. Ohh dear.
Nothing to see here, really. Honestly, they'll be like, yeah, they're, they're they've got some clandestine operation to steal or purchase. Charity chocolates. That's all that's happening over here. Let's.
They wanted that free hat. Damn it.
Yes, jumping rope for heart and beating children with skipping ropes. That's what they're doing over there. It's some kind of bizarre parental based terrorist training camp 8th of April. Let's move over to there while we're on the subject of terrorism and the US national Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice was testifying before the 9/11 Commission under oath.
Yes.
And in public it was all over C-SPAN.
Hmm.
Yes, this was the Commission that was also known as the National Commission on terrorist attacks upon the United States, an independent, bipartisan Commission, and the the remit was basically to prepare a full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding September 11 terrorist attacks, including things like preparedness.
And. Yes.
For an ATK. Back and the immediate response to the attack. Yeah. The Commission was also mandated to provide recommendations designed to guard against future attacks.
So you could you could watch it live on C-SPAN, and there was a full report.
You can watch the hearings. Yep. And all the transcripts are available as well. We might put a link actually in the show notes for people. That are interested because.
Ohh yeah.
Yeah, there's there's a lot there, but it it is very, very interesting.
Well, you know, it's about 3 hours and it's pretty dialogue heavy.
To go through. Condoleezza's is 3 hours. That's just one pass. That's one day.
Yeah, that. Well, the Condoleezza Rice is is 3 hours and it's pretty dialogue heavy, but I mean so was Oppenheimer, so you know and it's probably about as enthralling except there was no explosion at the end of this. It happened before the actual thing.
The terrorist threat. To our nation did not emerge on September. 11th, 2000. Than one. Long before that day, radical freedom hating terrorists declared war on America and on the civilised world, the attack on the marine barracks in Lebanon in 1983, the hijacking of the Achille Laurel in 1985, the rise of al Qaeda and the bombing of the World Trade Centre in 1993, the attacks on American installations in Saudi Arabia. In 1995 and 1996, the East Africa bombings of 1998, the attack on the USS Cole in 2000, these and other atrocities were part of a sustained systematic campaign to spread devastation and chaos and to murder innocent Americans. The terrorists were at war with us, but we were not yet at war with them. For more than 20 years, the terrorist threat gathered and America's response across several administrations of both parties, was insufficient.
So she was, that was the opening remarks from her. She's very good, very good. That she she's saying like she uses all of those historical events and then goes back into history and says we kind of ignored it. We hadn't really done much. And then I think, you know, in that three hours she like you said, she talks about how prepared they were and what led up to it.
The speaker.
Hmm.
But also about what more could have been done. And then after September 11, it's all about the choices that they had to to make, which was very interesting because it's like, do we go against Al Qaeda and the Taliban or do we more broadly go against and it. And this is the global War on Terror. These were the holding.
Hmm.
Lines, right? So they were like we could just go in to Afghanistan, we could be real quick and dirty and get it all done and clean up Al Qaeda very quickly. Or we could work for a more sustainable kind of peace. This, which is what they were saying. Now, if you were a bit of a conspiracy theorist, you'd probably be like, well, that's to keep the the war industry going, you know, because it's a bit of a juggernaut. It's very good for the economy to be at war at that stage. But at the same time, they were going after very bad people. And she said that George W Bush. I chose. And the bolder path not to just go into Afghanistan and go after Al Qaeda, but to really tackle terrorism globally, head on and that's why she mentioned all of those things like the Achille Lauro and and the attacks in Saudi Arabia and and and all of that.
It's also interesting in the context of. Now we're starting to hear this narrative about.
But.
Oh, there were no WMD. We got bad Intel. So it's interesting that she sets this broader scene and talks about taking the bolder choice. The all encompassing choice, which then includes Iraq under that umbrella. So.
Yes.
Hmm.
And this is. This is where she's very, very good. Cause this is before the questions even start. Her preamble. Was she? It was masterfully crafted. The preamble before the question started.
Yes, yes.
She also spoke a bit, which was another one, another part that I found quite. Fascinating, her testimony covered the initial discussions at Camp David and how they spoke about. The Iraq links.
When we got to Camp David and and let me just be very clear in the days between September 11th and getting to Camp David, I was with the President a lot. I know what was on his mind, what was on his mind was follow on attacks. Trying to reassure the American people, he virtually badgered for Larry Lindsey about when could we get Wall Street back up and running because he didn't want them to have succeeded against our financial system? We were concerned about air security, and he worked very hard on trying to get particularly Reagan reopened. So there was a lot on our minds. But by the time that we got to. Camp David and began to plan for what we would do in response, but was rolled out on the table. Was Afghanistan a map of Afghanistan?
So they're saying that initially, yes. They did want to just do Afghanistan and this is where she it it kind of they start to really drill down but then it gets to the stage where they just outright ask the question.
So when? Mr. Clark writes that. The president pushed him to find a link between Iraq and the attack. Is that right? There was the president trying to was trying to twist the facts. And for an Iraqi war? Or was he just puzzled about what was behind this attack?
I I I don't remember the discussion **** **** Clark relates initially, he said that the president was wandering the situation room. This is in the. Book I gather. Looking for something to do and they had a conversation later on. He said that he was pulled aside. So I I don't know the the. Context of the of the discussion. I don't personally remember it. But it's not surprising that the president would say what about Iraq, given our hostile relationship with Iraq? And I'm quite certain that the President never pushed anybody to twist the VEX.
She also spoke in the bit about Camp David that Rumsfeld was the one that asked what they should be doing about Iraq. So she was saying that initially they were looking at the map of Afghanistan, but then Rumsfeld was the one that actually brought up Iraq, and she was saying that deputy secretary.
Right.
Wolfowitz. Made the case for striking Iraq this round in the war on terrorism so that.
Ohh.
That's potentially where the Iraq discussions. Started. Yeah. Which again is very interesting in light of what we heard a few weeks ago from the weapons inspector David Kaye, who was saying that Iraq was them acting on bad intelligence.
Yes. Yeah.
So what? What's the story?
Well, is that? Well, that's that. So that's so you're saying that that's? Well, speculating that that's in conflict with what David case saying, because Rumsfeld obviously was pushing an agenda.
Allegedly.
Well, maybe the intelligence came after that, I don't know. But she was saying that Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz were the ones that brought up her arc. That wasn't even part of the conversation at Camp David until they. Mentioned it.
It's it's we.
That, that, that remembering too, and again, this is purely a speculator. I'm just gonna throw it out there remembering, too, that George W Bush's father had unfinished business there. So it's interesting that I find it odd that Bush would. Not. And he may have thought of Afghanistan first, he may have. That's fine, because all of the intelligence probably led to that. But I I find it hard to believe that he himself would not be trying to find some kind of in in order to finish what his father started in Iraq. But that's that's purely.
Potentially.
A speculative thing, I mean, they said he was wandering around Camp David looking for something to do, and it's like you're at Camp David. You're at a camp like, sure, I'm sure I had. I'm sure I had a stack of, you know, cards here somewhere. Yeah, maybe some snakes and ladders.
Being allegedly there.
Knit cross stitch some ceramics.
Swimming.
You know it's.
A campfire.
Yeah. Yeah, we could do some smores. Connie, Connie, go and get me the the marshmallows and the and the chocolate. What do you do with Smalls?
Smallest yes.
Oh, it's a Graham cracker and the marshmallow and the chocolate. And you melt it and. You smush it together delicious.
Thank you. Yeah, screwed up on the smallest. If anyone wants a recipe bill. We'll post it on our website. We don't have a website, should put it on Facebook.
But we will, we will put a link up to not a smalls recipe, the 9/11 Commission cause it it there. There is a lot of interesting stuff in there. If if you do want to find out more if you do wanna read the transcripts there is there is a lot. There's a lot to unpack.
You're going to need like a massive box of Maltesers to get to that. In other news on the 9th of.
April still kind of related though.
Yes, the New York City Police Department rolled out their latest tool in the War on Terror, which was a sophisticated gizmo designed to warn of a deadly biological attack. It was called the bio detection device, and it looked like a small. Back, fridge and it was designed to give them advance warning about an array of biological agents. I think in the air like anthrax and things like this. This is according to their spokesperson, Paul Brown. He he said that the Commissioner wanted the NYPD to be on the cutting edge in being prepared for weapons of mass destruction with the chemical, biological or radioactive and that was. Part of the effort I'm wondering cause it's New York City and I know when we went there the steam coming out of the sewers. I'm wondering if that could identify what perhaps what that was because that's the most bizarre phenomenon seeing the steam coming out of the sewers in New York City. Yeah, go and put your black box near.
Would have picked up a rating.
It is, isn't it? You don't want to. Yeah, you.
Don't think about it too much.
That.
Hmm.
It would enable them to test for a biological threat because at the moment or at this stage you required air samples that then had to go to a laboratory for analysis, whereas this would be able to test the air straight away for a pathogen and perform a test on its DNA structure and work out whether or not it was something to be.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Concerned about and then let all the the relevant authorities know, so that they could mobilise forces more quickly and it it just just reading back over that. Isn't that isn't that? Terrifying to think back then, like with everything else that was going on that that that was such a risk of. Things in the air.
Being airborne. Yeah. Like anthrax or yeah.
Yeah, because you did have the anthrax letters that were sent out a couple of years ago or. Just. The airborne warfare.
Well, the concept of biological warfare is pretty terrifying. And when I think about that black box, I'm wondering how it worked. Like if you if you took a sample from your nose and then switched it around in the solution and then poured a couple of drops on there and then waited for 15 minutes, if you got one line, there was no pathogen in the air. But if you got two, do you know what I'm saying?
Hmm. Yeah.
About biological warfare. Ohh technology. I mean we could have put the black box that tested for pathogens in and was it they? It doesn't matter if we've moved on from it. Yes. Look, I'm having a lot to do with science this week and it's it's a bit intense for the brain, you know, doing the ammonium nitrate.
Well, yeah, it was quite advanced we have. Hmm. Hmm.
And. I'm worried actually, because if you do look at our search history, we've got the ammonium nitrate, we've got the and then we've looked up the device that actually cheques to see if there's any kind of biological agents in here. And then we're listening to.
Ohh yes, we've been reading a lot of U.S. government websites as well. Ohh.
Yeah. And then we're listening to Condoleezza Rice's testimony and stuff. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah. We we're probably gonna watch this somewhere.
And then on top of that, our TV viewing history has got hundreds of episodes of Bluey that my son has been watching on the ABC. So they're gonna think we're very peculiar anyway, over to technology.
Well, another another threat, this time 20 years ago, it was all. Happening for the first time, Apple was under attack from a virus. What I thought Apple was it wasn't capable of getting a virus.
What? Well, that's what the ad says.
Hello I'm a Mac.
And I'm a PC.
Hi.
Right. You OK? No, I'm not OK. I have that virus that's coming around. Ohh, thank you very. You better stay back and. This one's a doozy. That's.
OK, I'll be fine. No, no, do not be here. I'll ask you there. 114,000 known.
Viruses for PC's PC's, not Macs. So just.
I think I gotta crash. Hey, if you.
Feel like that'll help? Good.
Yeah, Max, don't get.
Viruses. Yeah, that's very cute, right? That's a clever ad. Wasn't it gonna crash?
Yeah, yeah, that's that's they, they they were. They weren't kind of from the early 2000s, but they're yeah, they're good at. Yeah. So. So they got a virus.
Well, they lied. They lied. They're under attack from a new Trojan horse.
Hmm.
Which was just which was.
Disguised as a music download, so we've we're a year into iTunes now a bit.
Yes, and it'd be wildly popular at this stage.
Over a year.
Right.
We're kind of used to downloading music with little surprise every now and then. Thanks to Napster and Limewire, so it's probably not that difficult to fool us when we're downloading music.
Yes indeed.
Well, I guess not.
They discovered the new virus in a download study, so there's a security software firm that does download studies and they spotted it. They hadn't named it at this stage, but it attacked the operating system. So what?
Well, that's very clever of Apple to not name it, because if if they don't name it, it doesn't need to mean this, right? Yeah. Uh-huh. It's just a thing. Don't worry about. It's just a thing. We've sorted it. We don't get virus.
Doesn't exist. What are you talking about? I don't know what you're talking about. I've never had. Never heard of that. Apparently it didn't do anything at the start you your music would still play as intended, but when the file was double clicked, it would awaken A damaging virus that could do a number of things. It could delete your personal files, it could spread. Through email to others. It could infect other MP3, JPEG, GIF. Well, QuickTime files as well. I don't know what the what, what the infection looked like, whether it's. Change the files or make them unable to be opened.
Well, that's quite serious. If it's deleting all your personal stuff. I mean, that's just annoying. Ohh, you know, these days it's to take your personal information and gather it so that people can, you know, then buy it on the graph. Where?
It just used to be a pest, didn't it? Back then rearrange your photos in a different.
It just felt like it was. A pain in the ****.
Order.
Yeah. Ohh great. Excellent. Yeah.
Delete your Word document that you were working on for two.
Hours, you know, whatever.
Yes. And then send an email to other people and do the same thing to them and then all that really does is put you at odds with your friend. You gave my computer that virus.
You suffer. Can do. It too.
You're off the Christmas card list.
Do you remember that? I did. I did get angry with someone once on LinkedIn. Yeah, they gave me a LinkedIn.
Did they give you a computer virus?
Virus.
Ohh dear yeah, it's not correct, yeah.
Yeah, they were very, very angry. But anyway, so Apple did get a virus. We don't know what the name was. They never named it, but they obviously dealt with it.
They said it was serious. They said it was a major security risk. It is music time for some serious things happening and it's time to just cut loose and and ease back into the pop culture side of things.
It's time to just say I don't want you back. Amon is number one in Australia.
Oh.
What I said. The. It's might as well. I don't want you now.
He's a cranky little prick, isn't.
He. Yeah. Well, you know, after the week we're having this week in 2004, I'd probably be saying that.
Beta.
As well.
Imagine if. Yeah, imagine if Condoleezza Rice came out and did that at.
Furthermore.
The testimony could be a good testimony. Yeah, it'd be nice to just see someone just lose their just once. That's one.
Yeah, it's. She just stands in front of Congress and she goes. Could we said it don't mean.
Tell me.
Yeah. What else have we got?
Over in the UK, new number 15 colours in her hair by a band called McFly.
Hello. Hello McFly. Hello.
Daddy. I'd like to phone a kiss. She puts me in the mood.
They should. Green Day should sue them.
Does Sound Green Day guess. Guess who they're friends with? Just guess. Guess what? Band they.
Ohh it's very great day. Who?
Would be friends with.
McFly, not Heath Davish not busted, of course. Are they label mates, are they?
Yes.
They did. They brought out a single I don't know, but they brought out a a combined single or a or an or an album with. Yeah, I think they did a duet. They're friends. Can you believe it?
Well, then they're obviously label mates. It's just the most like it. It's just. I don't mind pop punk, but that is some it's insincere, it's insincere pop punk.
Very derivative. It's pop punk by numbers.
It's manufactured, yes.
It was inspired by Susan Lee, who was a character on a TV series called as If and she had coloured dreadlocks. Apparently that's the story.
Right. Hence the song 5 colours in our hair and we're going deep in these troubled political times. It's good to see the McFly are out there on the cutting edge dealing with all of the social and political issues that we are.
Isn't it there? Amazing.
Based in 2004.
I think Amon was more on the money to be honest.
Yeah, I agree. I think everybody at that at that stage was like what I said, it don't mean now after everything that had happened in Iraq. Anyway, there you go, number one in the UK, should we do the top five for the USA?
Yes. Yes, please.
Because my heart can't.
What?
Everybody in the Philippines.
Well.
OK. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
What? What?
Sure.
Last week, Clay Aiken was in the top five and the the.
I think he got scared and ran out.
I told you, it's like when the the white boy walks in. He's the only white guy in the All Black Club and he walks in and it's like I I'm just gonna like that the mean.
Ohh thank God. I don't think I belong here.
Yes.
It was like the time I accidentally went to the strip club because I thought it was an R&B. Like Ohh I don't think I belong here.
Yeah. It's like that meme, or that GIF of Homer Simpson just receding back into the hedge. Yes. Yeah, that's what Clay Aiken did, and he was replaced by. Well, I mean, you rattle it off, you're the one.
Yes.
That knows all this.
Stuff Usher is still number one with yeah, Chingy. One call away, #2. Jake on the tips here at number 30, do you want to do a Jake on welfare? Cheque. Let me open. Let me open.
Mayor. Do he? Has he got back? To ohh that's yes.
Romeo.
Yes, OK. Well, now that some time has passed.
I've turned off, I've turned off notifications because I want it to be a surprise when I. Open.
Ohh, when you actually go in there, what if you miss?
The app, yeah.
It can you miss it?
Well, I'm going in there every day.
It's not like I don't even know how some of these carries. Are you? You're kidding.
Oh, hang on a minute. Hang on.
Don't. Don't do it. Don't get me all excited for nothing.
No, it's still asking if we want to send a sticker. At what point do we send a sticker?
At what point? Yeah. Ohh you give it another week, I reckon. Yep. Yep. Another week before he gets it.
Another way I think he should have his lightning status taken away, to be honest, because it's been more than 24 hours. Maybe it costs him $8 to reply. Maybe he has to pay money to reply. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, great. And a lot more than 24 hours. Taekwon. But yeah, that's.
But if I was Jake one and I'm charging 1500. Dollars for a video, right?
Hmm.
I'm in the sphere of influence because I'm sending him. A message, right?
Yes.
So I'm already a follower of sorts, so therefore I'm more likely to be 1 to purchase his $1500 message than any other rando. So wouldn't it make sense for him to maybe take the time to message me back and try and entice me into the $1500? Here, because I'm already a fan. Then, as far as he's concerned.
Maybe.
It's like when Instagram keeps serving you up. The ads cause I've heard you talk about it. You click on it once and then it does the ad 10 million times. They're like they're interested. And if I just keep at. Them they're gonna. Buy it? Yes. So isn't it? Not in Jacob's best interest to respond to my message?
You wear them down. Can I tell you? If I find that you have spent $1500 on a cameo message from Jay.
Jake.
Bitcoin not only this podcast, but our marriage will be over. OK, I'm not.
Gonna be convinced. OK. I learned my lesson from the Jessica Simpson hair extensions. The banning from TVSN. I won't. I won't. And the orby track good. And the air freshener and the AB roller.
Well, thank God for that. It's a much cheaper lesson. Good, good.
Good.
And the ABS swing.
See, I'm noticing a.
Pattern. Perhaps I should ban myself from camping out. Maybe you should be in control of this. So. So, Jake, one has not responded. There's your update. Everybody. We've got two new entries. #4. I don't want to know. We're not going to talk about that this week, so we need some content for next week. So we're just gonna have to tune in next week to.
And I'm slightly worried. OK, Jay Claude. Tipsy #3. Right. Hasn't responded. What else have we got in there? Yes. Like OK. That's very thrifty of you. Everybody in the podcast getting thrifty, yes.
Find out more about that. Yes, well, I've just spent $16.00 on jaquon. I've gotta save my. Tent dirt off your shoulder is also new in at #5. That is a song from Jay-Z, second single released from the Black Album.
Great.
In the kitchen with soda.
The chorus is very repetitive. Yeah, yeah, it's a bit. Cena, it's like John Cena's entry music. No, it's not quite. I actually don't mind that I don't mind a bit of early Jay.
Usually.
Z Yeah, I'm not. I'm not.
Now that's usher.
I'm not the biggest Jay-Z fan, but there's. A few in there that are. Classics. That's one of them. That's. One of them.
Get that dirt off your shoulder.
And it became a bit of a catch phrase as well as.
What does it mean?
Just like ohh. Just get that trap off. Yeah, it's like if someone someone like, you know, Jakon hasn't responded that dirt off your shoulder. Off you go, jaquon. It was. Yeah, it was about just getting rid of negative energy. I see.
Brush it. Just don't. Don't carry it around.
Just.
Flick that dirt off your shoulder. Yeah, good. Now spends $1500 on a video message. Just flick that dirt off your shoulder. Yeah.
It's fine. You flick that dirt official, we can afford it. No, we can't. It became popular during when athletes made big plays. Did have you seen it? And did you see it in the NFL? Like if they did a.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Big play. They do that. That's where it comes from, where they. They've flicked the. Yeah, that's right.
Daisy. Barack Obama even pulled it out in response to attacks from Hillary.
Oh.
In a debate and he was referencing Hillary's textbook Washington tactics focusing on personal attacks and trivial issues. And then he did the gesture. He rushed that Hillary right off his shoulders and then someone went up to his spokesperson and said was he a fan of Jay-Z? And he said he does have some Jay-Z.
Really. Well. For. Wow.
On his iPod.
Is that well? Of course he does.
Obama had Jay-Z on his.
Of course he.
IPod early 2000s.
Does Obama was hip to it? Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's interesting. I feel like the Hillary Clinton. Equivalent would be. I'm gonna wash that man right out of my head. Like. With that.
She does have a wash that man right out of my hair, haircut, doesn't she?
Like. Is it like Doris Day or something like?
That is a that is a haircut that would, yes, you'd have to wash the man out of it. Yes, with the power seat. That's so true.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Indeed, I'm hearing with the sound like the beats and stuff in the background. I'm I'm hearing hints as to a collaboration with Lincoln Park and I guess that's the I can now see why those two went so well together. When you listen to sort of the the beats and stuff that they've got in the background of that.
Hmm.
Easy and and you look at the production values of the guys from Lincoln Park, particularly Mike Shinoda, I think that you can see how collision course was almost about to happen, which is very exciting.
And they did. They mashed that song up with lying from you.
Come on, God. Turning back now.
No, don't turn it back now.
I'd rather.
OK, so we've got albums.
Back to our man of the moment, Jacon released his album Hood Hop.
Ohh really? I just ring. We skipped past it.
Which?
His debut album featuring Tips he sold 125,000 copies in the first week. Of release.
No, I said skip. Don't do it fast. No, I'm joking. Keep going. Keep going yet.
Ohh OK, I was just trying to get it out really. Quickly? Well, people criticised it, would you? Like to hear the I thought yes.
Yes, I absolutely. I'm all in for it.
OK, Rolling Stone said. That the production throughout the record and quans entry level versus.
Entry level. That's a sick burn, that is.
Pulled out the entry level verses and they called him an argument against drafting high school rappers straight.
Entry level.
To the pros.
Oh.
Steve Jones from USA TODAY also criticised him for relying heavily on typical hip hop scenarios and delivering uninspired by the numbers trap.
Wow, that's a that's a bit of a pile on, isn't it? Well, there's not a lot to everybody in the club getting tipsy and then so it's like, I'm gonna say it loud.
Poor Jake.
Hmm.
And then I'm gonna whisper. And that's pretty. That's and then and then I'm gonna count some numbers one and two and three and to the four, it's it. I can understand why they would call that entry level.
It was pretty special.
Did you know? There's also a remix of tipsy with Chingy and Murphy Lee.
My baby. Really. Yes. Ohh OK.
Let's take it from the.
Well, Chingy sounds positively sophisticated in that context.
Sounds like someone stuck their thumb on the CD, skipping error, error, error, everybody that's unnecessary. Chicken was good. I like chicken.
Yes it does. It sounds like it's skipping. Yes. Somebody scratched it. Then you get a scratch in your CD. Gee was OK.
Least bit was good.
Two of you played the rest of.
I mean, there's there's not much you can do with that in.
It but.
The ways of a remix.
It is what it is.
That's what people say when they feel like they can't affect any change in a situation. When they feel like they've lost all control and that's quite toxic. Mel, I think because quite frankly, you can obviously exert some kind of influence and while.
Well, not over.
Jake won't because he hasn't messaged me back.
Well, I can. I can exert some sort of influence over right now. Yeah, by turning the ******* thing off. Don't listen to it anymore. Delete your cameo.
Guess how I feel quite apps.
Account.
Ohh, he can't do that, he might respond.
You're right, it is what?
We had another album release and this was a this was a goodie. This is a Australian release, a dissociative.
Ah, I had forgotten about these guys. So this is Daniel Johns from Silverchair.
Self titled album.
Yep, and DJ.
Paul Mac, right? Paul Mack was. A thing that I. Was that Paul Mack? Yeah, that's a very terrible version of it. It is what it is.
Yes, yes, he was. He did lots of and he did. He did lots of stuff with different female vocals cause he's one with the singer from Leonardo's bride.
Yes, but he also did this one with Daniel Johns. Sounds the biggest single I think they had on that album somewhere down the barrel.
I think I think it was. And radio announcers all over the country were just.
We're.
They hated it because they didn't know how to say it because they thought it was.
Dissociative but it dissociative.
And it was the the associatives, yeah.
And so everyone no one wanted to back announce it because they were all. Is that right there? I remember everybody freaking out about that. It was a thing. It was a thing. Just so stupid.
That is so stupid that is so stupid. Maybe that's why they were largely forgotten, because it was just easier not to play them because they didn't have to make idiots of themselves saying, I mean, you gotta protect the precious egos of the radio announcers, you know? No, no.
It's too hard.
It's too hard to say their names. Don't wanna look like an idiot. Don't wanna pronounce the apes things wrong.
No, that's the rock stars job, isn't it? That was the other song they had. I think I feel like this one was more memorable. Young man, old man.
Would think better than gun man, but we'll be better than an old man, honey. Yes.
Well that. Pretty big too. I think the first one was I remember the video clip where they had. The big heads.
Yes, well, that and that was the artwork for the album and stuff, but it was nice to see.
From the first one.
So.
The Daniel John's kind of step away from silver chair, because that's obviously a band that he was in since he was, like, even preteen, I think like, well.
And we spoke about it a few years ago when he was having all those health issues as well, wasn't he? Yeah, he couldn't tour and.
Yeah, but it it. But just to see how he goes in a more poppy kind of environment with with, like and I mean they I guess they've done some stuff with was it Van **** parks like Silverchair had done some stuff with Vandyke Parks, was the producer for Beach Boys, I think it.
Yeah.
But this seeing him working with Paul Mack, who's largely a more of an electronic kind of like a DJ.
Hmm.
I think they met in the 90s because Paul Mac remixed freak the silver chair song, and so then they got back together in 2003 and did some recording in London and then came back to Australia, finished off in Sydney and Newcastle.
Yes, yes.
And they produced it all themselves. So John's wrote the lyrics and recorded them in Newcastle. And then Paul Mack did all of the DJ stuff. He does DJ things he did the DJ things.
Yeah. Yes, well, that's what. Said press the button. Yeah, do. What do they really do? Much like steal sounds from other people and then turn them into other things? Yeah. Have you seen the footage that sort of goes viral where there'll be these big rave events and there'll be a DJ up there and they're kind of jumping around? Somebody would be behind them with a camera and they're not actually touching any of the buttons on the console. They're just running a dat and just having a good time.
That sounds like a great job. Can I?
It sounds like a fantastic job. I wish that I wish I could somehow manufacture that kind of thing for my day job every day where there's like, it's just a facade, it looks like I'm doing stuff, but like it's it's not. Nothing's actually happening, just jumping around having.
Have that. How do I get that job? Just having a good time just jumping around, jump around with the hands in the.
A great time.
Air like woo.
Yeah, just don't care.
How good is work?
John's described the music for him as a combination of excitement, happiness, rambunctiousness and viciousness done to whimsy. With a hint of melancholy but more outweighted by joy was Paul Mack's contribution to that discussion.
Ohh really? That sounds like that sounds like you just read me the specials menu. Delicious. So what's on the specials menu today? Well, we've got a steak tartare, which is a combination of excitement, happiness, rambunctiousness and viciousness done to whimsy, with a hint of melancholy. Ohh, look, I'll take that. But can we just dump, dial the melancholy back and just put a little bit of rage in it?
With a sigh of joy.
Yeah, maybe I could join.
For me, that would be great, yeah. Over to the box and the box office.
US #1 this week, 20 years ago, one of your all time favourites. Yes, yes.
Yeah, I adore. I adore this comic and this is before you gotta remember this before superhero films were becoming a big superhero thing and it's just like this comic book is one of my all time favourite. I got a stack of issues sitting in my bookshelf, yes.
MHM.
Then say them. We're behind you.
I I love them so much and I actually adored this movie as well, even though it kind of stepped is a little bit of a side step from the law, but still really cool. And I'm talking about Hellboy, Mike Mignola's Dark Horse Comics character, and the movie was made by Guillermo del Toro and starred Ron Perlman, who was just the perfect the perfect casting for Hellboy.
He was amazing, yeah.
Welcome to the Bureau for Paranormal Research and Defence. There are things that go bump in the night. Agent Meyer speaking. And we are the ones who pump.
What the hell is that?
Something big.
In the absence of light, this prevails. 60 years ago they tried to destroy the world. They're back.
My God, behind this door. Ancient evil. Oh.
Let me go in and say hi.
So good, so good. It's it's such a delightful film. So much fun.
You see, the one that liked.
Cats.
Yes, yes. And so the the this was based on the comic Hellboy seed of destruction. So if you've never read Hellboy, that's a really good one to get into straight out the gate, cause it it has the origin story of Hellboy in there as well. And basically Hellboy was discovered by the US military, who stumbled upon a Nazi operation.
That's right.
To bring forth demons from another dimension. It was like an occult, the occult wing of the Nazis, and Rasputin was in there for some bizarre reason they were working with Rasputin. Anyway, they opened a gate. They opened a gate back in World War 2 and something came through and it was hell. Boy. There was a little demon and then the.
All the major players.
U.S. Army adopted him. And basically put him into the paranormal research and defence thing and John hurts character Professor Brunhild raised him as his son, so he was a demon, but he had an affinity for kittens and pancakes and he he he.
Ohh that's cute. Don't we all? Well, it's it's kind.
Of based on the whole thing that there's no such thing as a dangerous breed. Do you know what I mean? Like dogs like dangerous breeds or no, no such thing as no such thing as bad kids, as only bad parents, right?
That's on how they were raised.
And so so they take that and then they turn this into this amazing story where, like, you know, he he's grown up, he's older. The other thing that Hellboy does is cause he's got to. He's red for a star. So he's a devil. And he's got big giant horns, but he grinds them down with an angle grinder so he can fit in. So he's just. Got these two stumps on his head.
And Selma Blair was, and she was great. Not as well, wasn't she?
Yes. She, Selma Blair was fantastic. So she played his love. Interest. Liz who? He's fireproof and she has this thing where she can cast fire. So she's quite volatile and dangerous to everyone else. But because he fireproof that it's a great match. And then the the late, great John Hurt is in there as well. And it's just such a delightful movie. There's lots of practical effects and costumes and makeup and just.
Well. That makes a good.
Couple that works out well, yeah.
Yes.
All of those old things that you like from science fiction and fantasy that you would have seen in the 80s like Guillermo del Toro brings a lot of that out. And it's just so much fun. And it was like he got really positive reviews at great gross, nearly $100 million against the budget that was between 60 and 66 million.
It did 23 million on the week of opening.
That's pretty good.
Yeah. And they made a sequel, Hellboy 2, the Golden Army, which was also fabulous. So that doesn't come out until 2008. That had Luke Goss from gross in it just as a fun fact. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll, I'll show you some of that later on. But.
Drop the boy.
The.
They stopped at two. They stopped at 2 Hellboy movies. There's been a reboot with David Harbour of Hellboy and David Harbour awesome casting as Hellboy as well. It just wasn't a great film, it just wasn't a very good film. Whereas these two by del Toro certainly had a lot of Guillermo's influence on them. And but we're still so good, and everyone has been begging for a third, like complete the Hellboy trilogy. Like, let's do it. Let's like you left. Just with enough to go on that you could have done a third movie, but they never did. And it's getting well. I don't know. I think Ron Perlman would be keen to. But Ron Perlman is also getting quite old. So he's he's gonna, you know, and I mean, behind the makeup, he could still look and and do the job.
Do you think they? Will one day.
Hmm.
But he's getting a bit long in the tooth. And Guillermo, I don't think really has any interest in doing it, which is massively disappointing for the fans. However, I do think if you just leave it as is, it's that's kind of magical as well because you've got these two really great movies and you kind.
Hmm.
Hungry for more? But you've gotta kinda just live with what you've got and what you've got is.
Pretty good. And then, yeah, no one's ruined it by yeah.
Exactly, exactly. And I don't. Look, I don't think they would. I don't think they would ruin it. I think we'd all love it if they went back and did it. And you know, who knows? It could happen. I mean, fans seem to get their own way, a lot more these days, you know, like. But we'll see a Hellboy, if you haven't seen.
Hmm.
Ohh boy, you should say it, it's really fun. It's such a fun movie. It's very entertaining. Let's go to the Australian box office. This movie was fun as well, but Nah, it's. Just it doesn't hold a candle to hell boy.
Detective David Starsky did everything by the book.
I said please.
Detective Ken Hutchinson never even read it.
You're late.
The. Eight 8:00 and you know this place opened.
Today, but now they'll fix their problem yet.
These land.
You two deserve each other. You're partners.
Whoa, you coming?
This spring, two legendary cops are teaming up.
Hey, look what the wind blew.
In to. Take on the ultimate bad guy.
It. Money planes. They cost money. This job. My kids braces it all costs money. You think Kitty's free? Wow.
Like you, Lincoln. Says 76 won't be out till next year, but I know some people that know some people that.
Rob some people.
Yeah, Snoop Dogg in there is huggy bear. That was Starsky and Hutch, which I mean, it's a buddy cop. Film and and it's based on a a 70s TV series, so it's tapping into that nostalgia element. So everyone was excited.
Space on the. Show, yeah.
I've had the 70s outfits.
For it was like ohh. Starsky and Hutch are coming back.
They looks like Rob and Dean. Actually the outfits. Very.
Yeah, they did. From the curiosity shows, like if the ghost from the Curiosity show became cold. Yeah. Owen Wilson and Ben Stiller. Good chemistry between them.
Show umm. We're cops.
That's why I didn't watch it, because I hated Zoolander. I just didn't like the combination. I know, I know people will hate me for saying that. I can't stand it. I found it really annoying. I found it really irritating. I didn't like the two of them together.
Ohh, really geez. You've gotta be careful with that. You. A lot of. Love. That movie, yeah.
And I find Ben still a kind of annoying and everything he's in because. It's kind of that awkward, yeah. Gross out and and I'm not sorry and I know I'm in the minority and.
Icky. You're good humour.
That's fine.
I feel like the redeeming factor would have been Snoop Dogg. It's huggy bear.
That's the only good thing about it, yes, correct. But I just couldn't deal.
Look for me it was OK, but there are better cop movies. There are better buddy cop movies as well. So the story of this one murdered body of a drug dealer found on a beach. Starsky and Hutch follow the clues to find the.
With the rest.
The The the bad guy who was played by Vince Vaughn, and then they just can't catch him. And then he goes and plans a big drug trafficking operation and they get wind of it and they have to prevent it. Ohh, it's pretty deep. The critics actually enjoyed it more than the the audience, 63% for the critics.
That's interesting.
49 on Rotten Tomatoes? Well, yeah, it's not that interesting, you know, it's even less interesting is reality television. Although this show was quite shocking, and I have to say.
Kind of if you care. Ohh.
I got pulled into this one. I enjoyed it. Yes, the transformations. Ohh my gosh, I'm talking about a show called The Swan.
You watched this one.
Do you remember this show?
Premieres on the 7th of April, 2004. I only I only remember it because we were working at the radio station and when it premiered over here, I think we got A at an advanced copy on VHS and I think we watched it and I think we had to talk about it on the radio and.
We watched it together, I'm sure. Yes. Yes. Yes.
I just the whole premise.
Well, the OK, so the title, the swan is, is kind of. So what they do is they get ugly ducklings, ugly ducklings.
Is just to be.
With me.
Hmm.
And turn them into beautiful Swans.
And via the magic of cosmetic surgery and various other forms of coaching, they turn them into Swans.
Plastic. Diet. Exercise. I think they have to do counselling as well.
Yeah, lots of things. Lots of things.
Yeah, multiple plastic surgeries and it was hosted by Irish television presenter Amanda Byron.
It's a high risk manoeuvre. Like any kind of surgery is pretty high risk. But incorporating that into a reality TV show for the sake of, and I'm assuming that the transformations were like obviously like with any real. It's like when you watch those tattoo shows and you like, somebody gets a full back piece in a day like it doesn't happen, right, it doesn't happen. So these transformations.
Yes. Yeah.
Take obviously a lot longer. It's like pimp my ride when we talked about that and actually takes like 3 months to fix a car, not a weekend, OK.
Umm, so you don't have a car for three months, you don't have a nose for three months.
Yeah, it's a.
Very annoying.
I'm about to pimp your nose.
I think don't we have Rachel's video and they talked about what they're gonna. Do.
For her, she's carrying all that inadequacy that her father feels into her own life. That would be something we need to explore in therapy.
Yes.
I think she's a difficult. Physical transformation. What do you want to do? With that nose, Randall.
Well, I think the biggest problem with her is that she's got such long nostrils. Seen from this side, you can almost see into her nose. And I have to correct that. I have to open up those eyes, lift up the corners of her eyes. That's sad. Look, liposuction. Her chin, breast lifts and total body liposuction.
Are you leaving anytime for Greg to? Work on it.
I think it's going to be tough. She needs a lot of cardio work. I'll probably put her on a stair climber for those big long legs.
Says here she's never been able to exercise regularly or even at all. So you better keep me informed so I can keep her on track for the pageant.
One of her complaints in her papers is that her smile is a handicap because she can't bite into anything. Her mouth is almost open when she closes it. I'd like to close down her bite and create nice, softer teeth that will complement Dr Hayward surgeries.
So she's. Mentally unstable. She's fat. She's got she's got cavernous nostrils.
The long nostrils, very long nostrils. Her mouth is open when she closes this.
She can't close her mouth properly. Well, and she and they're gonna throw her. So they're gonna do all these things to it. They're gonna mutilate her and then make her.
Exercise basically, and that was part of the the controversy of the show is these surgeries. They're pretty big surgeries and it's not just one thing she was having liposuction. She was having her breasts done. She was having ah nose job. She was having stuff done to her chin. She was opening up her eyes somehow. So you're having all this stuff done on your whole body and then you're expected to go and do like.
Of you. Yes.
8 hours on the stair.
Climber, have you ever seen liposuction?
Ohh yes yes and what comes out.
Have you seen them? Dude, it's.
Have you? Ohh.
It's like tenderising meat you. They basically lay them out on a slab and just beat out of them for.
Yeah.
That's any plastic surgery, remember? Was it Doctor 90210? Remember him? Ohh God. And when when he was doing the *****. Can you be a bit more gentle when an open whack it in and yeah, just gross.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, like. Yes,