The Pat Tillman friendly fire cover up!

This week twenty years ago delivered a mix of jaw-dropping headlines and eyebrow-raising moments that'll make you say, "Wait, did that really happen?"

First up, the heart-wrenching tale of Pat Tillman, the NFL star turned soldier whose story reads like a Hollywood script. From sacking quarterbacks to dodging bullets, Tillman's journey took a tragic turn when he was killed by friendly fire in
Afghanistan. But hey, at least the military gave him a hero's send-off, right? Wrong. Turns out, the truth got lost in a military cover up, leaving us scratching our heads and wondering, "What really went down?"

Meanwhile, down under, Aussie PM John Howard pulled off a surprise visit to Baghdad. Talk about a plot twist! With more security than a pop star at Coachella, Howard made a quick pit stop to hang with the troops. Because nothing says "support our troops" like a high-stakes game of hide-and-seek in a war zone.

In sports, the NFL Draft turned into a real-life soap opera when Eli Manning got drafted by the Chargers but pulled a fast one to end up with the Giants. Forget touchdown passes—this was some next-level maneuvering worthy of a primetime drama. 

And speaking of drama, Maroon 5's "This Love" was all over the charts, giving us major relationship vibes and inspiring awkward conversations about exes.

But let's not forget the literary world, where Tim LaHaye and Jerry B. Jenkins' "Glorious Appearing" took us on a wild ride through the end times. Move over, summer blockbusters—this book had everything from biblical prophecy to characters you'd swear were plucked straight from a Sunday sermon.

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The year is 2004. Your polyphonic ringtone habit is sending you broke. George W Bush is sworn in for a second term, and in spite of everything going on, the most controversial thing is a wardrobe malfunction at the Super Bowl. T -, 20 rewind 20 years with Joe and Mel. 

Yes. 

Week Ohh 18 April 2000. 

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I'm very forgetful 20. Hello. 

Minus. 

There. Stop trying to make fetch happen. 

Yeah, 5. 

When we're waiting for. 

This is harder than I thought it would be. 

My fellow Americans. 

Let's roll. 

Welcome to another week of the podcast where we rewind to this week in history 20 years ago. That's why we call it t -, 20 with your host Joe and Mel. Hello, Mel. 

Hello everybody, hope everybody is doing well. 

I I I do too. I hope everyone is well. I hope everyone's year is going OK and everyone's kind of holding it together as we move into the colder months over this side of the planet. What week are we at this week? 

18 to 24 April 2004. 

Some big stories in the news this week. 

After the September 11th attacks and at the peak of his NFL career, Pat Tillman walked away from a $3.6 million contract. He left the Arizona Cardinals to serve his country. 

We are going to talk about there. There's a bit of NFL in this and and the story of Pat Tillman is utterly fascinating. 

I didn't know too much about this until we were doing the research and yeah. 

It's it's extraordinary. It's definitely well worth sticking around for. 

Too many people. 

I don't know if that's worth sticking around. 

For another, another person who got their nips out at the Super Bowl, but. 

It was. 

OK. 

Yes, I was of course referring to Adam Levine and Maroon 5. That's that is one of those songs where it's like, I can't believe it's 20 years ago. 

5. That was all over the radio 20 years ago, yeah. 

And then we had. 

This, thank you. It's an honour to be here for absolute honour and I'm excited to present the lifestyle award cause I love lifestyle. 

That anyone who is Australian would know that voice, it's very distinct. That was Dave Hughes presenting at the Logies. 

Absolutely yes. 

Ohh, the Logie Awards were back. Isn't that always the time? 

Ladies, the Logie awards. Australian Television's night of nights. 

Is this the coal? Are we up to Karl Stefanovic drunk yet? 

I don't I I think we've still got a few years to go before he goes off the rails. But I mean, you know, I mean, all he did was really shine a light on how much fun the logies actually is for everyone in the industry, and no one else cares. Anyway, that's all the stuff that's happening this week that we will get to in the. 

So that's a few years away. Still. Yeah, that'll be a good time to revisit. 

Episode I am feeling a little bit battered and bruised. I have to say a little bit so we discussed a few weeks ago the Music Festival that I was attending. 

Uh. 

And all your sewing in preparation, yes. 

Yes, non fest with my battle jacket that I sewed all the patches on and stuff like that and that's that's now happened. We we had to pre record a few episodes in advance so I haven't had a chance to talk. About it until now. 

And how was the battle jacket received at the festival? It is. 

Look, the battle jacket went down a treat I made. I made lots of new friends. Lots of new. 

Everyone loved it was it? Was it, your sewing skills, or was it the content of the? 

Friends are beautiful. 

The patches. OK good. 

Ohh, the content had to get the seal of approval, but what I love about attending a music festival by itself, which I did, I was kind of like at first I was like, I was gonna suck because I'm gonna be here by myself. 

Hmm. 

First, you're a fave. You're petrified. 

Yeah, exactly. I was a little bit the only drugs that I took to that festival or before that festival were Metamucil. And the only stuff I took afterwards was Voltaren. As well, by the way. 

Maybe your tums or? 2. 

Yes, I mean, and I did get a bit of indigestion from about cheeseburger on the day, but there I made lots of friends. The the thing that I like about attending a music festival by yourself is you don't have to be like, alright everyone if we get lost, we're gonna meet up here and you're not having an argument over who's gonna see what brand and what's on. 

Ohh there's a. Lot of coordination that goes into meet ups, doesn't it? Yeah. 

Yeah, and this wasn't this wasn't a big festival with like, you know, five or six stages in a boiler room or anything. I was just two stages. So I was just bands going. Back and forth all day, so there wasn't too much sort of wandering around. Having said that, I still chalked up about 20 K's just wandering around cause I was counting counting my steps. I was counting my steps on the fitness tracker during the time. That's how that's how dedicated I was to my health and fitness. I closed my rings. I sure did. I sure did. And. 

Did you have your fitness tracker? Ohh my God. Did you close your rings at the festival? 

Good to hear. 

And look, I did make lots of friends, so you know, and the best thing about those friends is that I could leave them at any time and feel no guilt whatsoever. So that was quite wonderful. 

Yes. 

And and what did your friends think of? Your battle jackets. 

They loved it. They thought it was great. They they put in the seal of approval. I think the the biggest, I don't know if it's a compliment or not, but there was a there was a few dudes at my age there that kind of understood it and they were like, ah, you're old school. And I I that made me feel kind of good kind of warm and fuzzy inside that I was odd. But it was very interesting. There were a lot of people at this vessel and this was a big heavy metal festival. There are a lot of people at the festival that were like for starters, it's definitely not a fashion parade. It's no Coachella heavy. 

Metal fest. No flower crowns, no body with jewels. 

There's there's a. Nah, there's just. There's just a lot of acne and sweat. And yeah. 

No, people just wearing a. 

Bra, a bit of body odour. It was a very sunny day and there were a lot of goth girls wearing bras that kind of had those straps like very strappy kind of things. Yeah. So they, they and that kind of sunburned. Yeah. It was like a bit of a stencil. By the end of the day, which is, which was interesting. And then. 

Sort of a ******* bra. Less. Yeah. Yeah, with buckles. Oh, you don't want to buckle some bread into you. 

And then probably I reckon about 10% of the people that went there were the people that would just go to any kind of festival because of the festival would be there. 

Not even know what what the line? 

To be soon. 

Up is. 

Yeah, they didn't. They didn't load too. Well, I think they have. Of course. They. They're like, we'll see you, Pearl Jam. Like no. What do you mean I'm like. No, they're boring. So anyway, but it was a good time. There was. There was a very interesting character there that I met by the name of Michael and. And Michael was quite intoxicated at to I think I got there at about 3:00 in the afternoon. I finished at about 10 at night. Right. So I get there and I'm. 

Hmm. 

I'm having a beer and I walk along and. I've got a laminate on because I wanted to have it like a I bought VIP tickets which was a total rip off. I have to say because it was so well organised that you didn't have to wait in line for anything except for the toilets which were revolting by the end of the day. But that's standard festival thing, but I I ran into this guy Michael at about 3:00 in the afternoon. He's very intoxicated. 

At 3:00. 

And yeah, and Michael wasn't your standard heavy metal guy he wasn't wearing. He wasn't wearing a battle jacket or anything like that. No, no, no, no. He's wearing some very sensible shorts and a pair of boat shoes. 

What was Michael? Black shirts. Boat shoes. 

And yes, and and A and a. Golf shirt a like a polo, a red polo shirt. 

Did he accidentally wander into the wrong venue? Was he meant to be somewhere? 

And a cap. Well, I don't think so. Like, he's a local boy. He wasn't meant to be anywhere else. He's. 

Else. 

Was he meant to be at the golf course? 

I think he was in exactly the right place and at the right time for running into me, just quietly as well. And he pulls me up walking through his he's me and I'm like, yes, he's like, what band do you? You look like you with band dude, what's the band did Joe? 

White shoes. You do say so yourself. 

Oh, he told me we could. 

Yeah. No, I'm. I'm like, mate, I'm in the system now with the band. It must have been the battle jacket. I mean, it was pretty impressive. Piece of kit. Yeah. 

He was 11. 

And maybe the lemon. Did you get the lemon in the Ramsey neck and you get the the beard and the hair? You definitely with the band. And I'm. I'm. I'm not with the band. It's like, alright alright. You keep a low profile, understand full spec and I don't want to cramp your style or ruin your day. I'm like you couldn't possibly couldn't possibly ruin your my days there are so. 

That's nice. 

Many beautiful girls. So that's how I could tell. When he was drunk, he. They were. They was. It was. It's a mixed bag. Like I said, it's a heavy metal festival. Nobody is particularly attractive in a in a really hot, sunny day where it's sweaty and you're getting sunburnt and everyone's just trying to survive until they get to the headlining. So. 

Yes. 

And everyone's wearing black, too. It's not helpful. 

It's not a fashion parade. To an extent, I mean, you're representing, but it's not a not one. Of those fashion. 

Brands, so many beautiful girls that I would love. 

To talk to and I was like, listen mate, I I actually. I don't reckon they're here for that. I don't think you're gonna have much luck if this is what you're coming to. Have a good time. Enjoy the bands, you. 

Yeah, it's not a nightclub, yes. 

Know have a great day. No worries. Anyway, my name is Michael. What's yours? And I'm like, I'm Joe. I'm just gonna go over the bar, and then I'm gonna probably make my way back over to the stage to watch the Bears. But you have a fantastic team, man. Thanks for talking to. No worries at all, Michael. No problems at all. Now, the thing with. 

You too. 

Him was because of the. Way he was dressed. He stuck out was. 

Ohh he was obvious. He might as well have been. Wearing high vees. 

He was really easy to pick and it's like, you know, if I. 

Yeah, there's Michael. I see some boat shoes. 

Had have gone with. With a buddy, if I had have gone with a buddy, I'm like you gotta Chuck on the boat shoes. And the the. Red polo and the cause. Exactly. Really. 

Because you find them. 

Easy. To find. Yeah. So I saw Michael stumbling through the crowd at various states of inebriation. 

Fine. 

Ah. 

Good. 

Throughout the course of the festival and and kept my distance quite deliberately. No, no umm I I kept my distance for a while, but then I was getting to the end of the the the day and it was about, I don't know, somewhere around 9:00 at night. So I've been going pretty hard. The thing started at like 11 in the morning and. 

You don't. 

Want to be stumbling in boat shoes? Either that's dangerous. 

He'd been there the whole time. 

One to 10 hours of drinking, yes. 

I got there in the middle of the afternoon. He'd been there drinking the entire time and I spot him stumbling through the crowd. He's coming straight towards me and I was like ohh just gonna say hey, I was like Michael, he stops dead in his tracks. He looks at me like a deer in the headlights. Your eyes get really big and he's like. 

Hmm. Hmm. 

Well, the. 

Do you know my name? 

Hey freaking out. And I like. He'd obviously forgotten that he'd even spoken to me. And I'm like. 

Ohh. 

Not only do I know your name, I know your name is Michael. You came down here with the intention to try and find some pretty girls, and I don't reckon you've had much luck thus far. 

And he's like, what here the. 

Do you know all that? 

Michael, I'm a messenger. Ohh, and I've been sent to this festival just to make sure that you're OK and you're having a good time and. Everyone else there, it's like you're an Angel. I'm like that's right, Michael. I'm an Angel. He's like. 

I'm in A and buy you a beer. 

And I'm like, it's alright, Michael. I don't. I'm on. I'm on duty. I want the good Lords got me on duty. I don't need a. 

Ah yes. 

Beer. I'm fine, mate. I'll look. 

Honey, communion wifes and only ones. 

I don't care if you don't want. 

It I'm gonna get your beer. OK, I'll be right here. He's like I'll be back in a second. He wanders off again through the crowd and. 

Yeah. 

What beer would you buy? Your Angel? What beer did? He buy his. Angel. 

Like you couldn't. There's you didn't have much of A choice. Like 4 Pines or a seltzer, really. 

Yeah. Well, what? Did he choose for you? I'm intrigued. 

He never came back. 

Come back. He wandered off me. Never come back. 

Off in the boat shoes into the night. 

And I did. See you later on. 

Ohh you did. 

And I was like Michael. 

Ohh dear. 

How about that beer? And he's like ohh so sorry and I pretended to take a note pad. Out of my pocket. Right. His name down I went. That's alright mate. And then I wanted off. It's like a a chorus from heaven. That recorder, isn't it? Yeah. 

Yes, that's the sound that happened when you came down to look out for. 

Man, what's up? Michael hurt? The Lord came down to him and told him to buy me a beer. 

Michael and his boat shoes. Brought him some more sensible. 

Shoes that we were looking. 

I I think the big cheeses are OK actually seem to handle himself quite well. Really. Yeah. Well, boots with orthotics in them, that's how old I am still needed. Voltaire it afterwards. Anyway, let's do the hatches matches and dispatches. Clue the segment at the end of the show. Of course. If you've been here before, you know how this works. We're gonna play a little sound bite from a celebrity. 

Out for him. No, that's not festival appropriate, no. 

Snakes. 

That, as he had been born, died or. 

Having a birthday. 

Married. I was gonna say born. Yes. So the birthday as well. There's just too many elements that I had to get to. I get confused. It's alright. I'm like Michael wandering through the festival grounds. Not exactly knowing what's going on or where I am. But I know that we're here right now. This is celebrity that is having a birthday. A birthday. 

Too many options. 

I think there are about 47 years old this year in. Fact that said. 

This I am not officially done. I'm close bud. 

Did you get that? Would you like me to? 

Play it again. 

Play it again. I am not officially done. I'm close, bud. 

Yeah, I'm not officially done. I'm close, bud. We'll find out who that is at the end. Of the show. All right, Mel, over to the news. 

On the 22nd of April 2004, Pat Tillman, a former NFL player who enlisted in the US Army, is killed by friendly fire in eastern Afghanistan. When? Pat was quite, quite. A famous NFL player, he started his college career as a linebacker for Arizona State University in the mid 90s, securing a scholarship for the team, and then excelled as a linebacker despite being relatively small in in height for the position. 

Yes. Yeah. So his job was to jump off the line and tackle the quarterback of the opposing team, and he was very good at doing that. 

Yeah, 5 foot 11. So that's apparently quite. 

That is quite short for a linebacker. Linebackers are usually quite big characters and he he he had. 

Quite short. So long bathroom. 

A. A lot of charisma and just a lot of attitude. 

So then in the 1998 NFL draught, he was selected as the 226th pick by the Arizona Cardinals. He played with the team until the end of the 2001 season. At one point in his career, he turned down a five year, $9 million. 

Yeah. 

Contract offer from the ramps out of loyalty to the Cardinals. 

Yeah. And that's because, I mean, he went to university in Arizona and then the and then the Arizona Cardinals, the NFL team obviously made the offer. So he's like, I'm sticking around. I'm staying loyal. So he's almost like, he's a franchise player at. This stage, and he was quite quite. 

Good player too by all accounts. 

Very good. Feared as a linebacker was Pat Tillman. 

Yeah. And so he was getting pretty good offers to keep playing. But in May 2002, eight months after the September 11 attacks and after completing the remaining games of the 2001 season, he turned down a contract offer of 3.6 million. Dull. Years over three years from the Cardinals, to instead enlist in the US Army. 

My great grandfather was at Pearl Harbour and a lot of my family has given up, you know, has gone and fought in wars and and I really haven't done a damn thing as far as laying myself on the line like that. 

He actually enlisted with his brother on the 31st of May 2002 and they completed basic training together. So Pat Tillman, his brother Kevin, and he's got a younger brother, Richard. So Pat and Ken. 

Hmm. 

Then signed up to serve their country after what had happened because he was like, you know, this is what my family has done. He could have been quite comfortable playing in the NFL, but he chose to join the Rangers. He wanted to become an army Ranger and he was deployed to Afghanistan at first as part of Operation Enduring Freedom. So he was right on the front. Fine. 

That well, they offered. To give him a more comfortable position due to. His celebrity status, but he. Chose to become a Ranger, he said. No, I'm gonna get in amongst it. The interesting thing about Pat though, was that he was against the Iraq war. He was prepared to go to Afghanistan, where the war effort had begun, but he wasn't happy to hear that the focus then shifted to a different country. 

No, he was like, I wanna go and get Osama bin Laden. I wanna bring him to justice. But then when the Bush administration pivoted back to Iraq to track down Saddam Hussein and the the WMD. 

Umm. 

He was like, well, that's kind of not what I. Signed up for. 

Hmm. 

Like I don't want to be involved in an invasion and occupation which he quote called ******* illegal, but because he'd signed up and he enlisted and he he did the right thing, he went. 

Hmm. 

Anyway, then tragically, he was killed in Afghanistan on April the 22nd, 2004. The circumstances surrounding his death were initially misrepresented by the military. 

Yeah, that's right. They wanted to make a bit of a big deal about it. So they put on a big song and dance because it's like this big celebrity guy who has opted out of the cushy role and gone to go and fight on the front lines. So they wanted to make sure that. Was put up as being a massive hero, a huge hero, so the army claimed that he and his unit were attacked in an ambush on a road outside the village of Spira, about 25 miles southwest of coast near the Pakistan border. And they said that he saved dozens of his comrades in the process. And so massive war hero shortly after his death, top ranking officers are saying that he should have the Silver Star. And the Purple Heart. So they they award him the Silver Star and they they do the funeral. They take his body back home and they have this massive funeral for him with full military honours. There's lots of speeches. It's very religious and it's like, you know, he's he's at peace. He's he's died a hero. He's with God now and he's being taken. Thereof, and his brother Richard was having none of it, and he knew Pat better than anyone. So the first thing that happens if you picture like this, all the pomp and ceremony of a military funeral, there's flags, there's pipers, there's dignitaries there, making speeches and his family are sitting there just gone. 

Hmm. 

What the heck is going on here? You know, like they're like, what's going on? And so his brother gets up to do a speech at the funeral. And the first thing that happens is somebody hands him a beer, right? Because he's and he, he he drinks a beer to his brother because that's what his brother would have wanted him to do. They used to drink beer together and hang out all the time. And then he does this speech. He's just. 

Hmm. 

Have a listen. 

He was always giving gifts. Thanks, pat. I didn't. Write. Because I'm not a writer and I just want to. Say it was. There's a lot of people here. Thanks. It was really amazing to be his little baby brother. Uh, yeah. I'm not just going to sit up here. And break down on you, but uh. Thanks for coming Pat and champion and. 

Always will be. 

Just make no mistake, he want me to say this. He's not with God. He's ******* dead. He's not religious. So. Thanks for your thoughts, but he's talking. 

Dead. That is just chilling. What there was all this stuff going on. He's like, no, he's dead. Like it was just and he he he he was angry and I think there was more going on behind the scenes with the family and I feel like that and I guess nobody will really kind of know. 

Like. 

Yeah. Yeah. 

Hmm. 

I think the family felt that they weren't being given the full story about what happened, and there was a biography that was was released about him as well. And in the biography, apparently he told a friend Pat had told a friend after enlisting. 

Yeah. 

I don't want them to parade me through the streets if I die and and I think his family knew that. And I think that also contributed to that speech because tragically, that's pretty much what the government had done. 

Yes. And completely against his wishes. 

But then they do an investigation because people are going hang on. A minute this. This this isn't adding up. There's there's all these little things that are coming to light that just don't make sense. So then they conduct an investigation. It's the Department of Defence. And eventually ruling that his death was due to friendly fire, he was accidentally. And and this is what the investigation found. He was accidentally shot by fellow soldiers during a chaotic firefight when one allied group fired upon another in confusion after nearby gunfire was mistakenly believed to be from enemy. 

Yeah. 

Combat. And apparently this was something that was known by some military officials shortly after his death and before his funeral. 

That's right. And then people accuse them of covering this up. They're like, like Pat Tillman's died because of friendly fire because obviously, they're regardless of him not wanting any. Kind of parading of anything, especially after he died before he went to serve. It was a big deal, like he left a $3 million contract with the NFL to go and serve his country like. 

Hmm. 

That's a huge thing to do. And so as soon as they were like ohh like he's died. And as a result of friendly fire they immediately started to try and figure out ways to cover it. 

Yeah. 

Hmm. 

Up and they were saying that they did it deliberately so that they could enhance his image as a hero and also boost public. Or I'll get more people signing up to come and fight in the war, because again, around this time we're starting to see things come to light and people are. 

Yes. 

Saying hang on a minute. Was this the right thing to do? Was this the best choice? So they're probably not getting as many people. 

Yes, you do. You do a bit of a a temperature check at around around March 2004 with the Iraq war. 

Listing as well. 

Yeah, yeah, the Commission and all the stuff that's starting to come out as. 

Part of that there's lots of politicians taking the stand. They're they're commenting under oath about the circumstances leading up to them being there in the 1st place. And people are asking why are we there? And then this happens and they're like. 

MHM. Hmm. 

Great opportunity for some propaganda to put him forward as a hero and then. And people find out the truth. The truth comes to light, that it's a cover up and it just makes things infinitely worse. 

Infinite. 

His father said after it happened, all the people in the positions of authority went out of their way to script this. They purposefully interfered with the investigation. They covered it up. I think they thought they could control it and they realised that their recruiting. Efforts we're going to go to hell in a handbasket if the truth about his death got out. They blew up their poster boy. 

Right. Like who wants to go? Who over and serve your country? If you're at as much risk of being shot by an insurgent as you are by your own countrymen, it's it's horrific. And it's just, I mean it. It's an absolute public relations nightmare. But I mean, what I and there's not a lot to love about the story, except for the fact that. 

Yeah. 

He's. Little brother and his family stuck to their for one of a better word. Guns and. 

They're like. Something's not right here. We're gonna we're gonna find. Out. Yeah, but. 

And they spoke out about it. Yeah. And his brother Kevin actually wrote, wrote a piece for a a website, calledtruthdig.com in October in 2006. 

Yeah. And I highly recommend reading it. It's it's a really. Yeah, it's a really powerful piece. 

Yeah, and he says somehow we were sent to invade a nation because it was a direct threat to the American people or to the world, or harboured terrorists, or was involved in the September 11. Attacks or received weapons grade uranium from Nigeria or had mobile weapons labs or WMD, or had a need to be liberated. Or we needed to establish a democracy or stop an insurgency, or stop a civil war we created that can't be called a civil war, even though it is something like that. Somehow back at home, support for the soldiers meant having a 5 year old kindergartener scribble a picture with crayons and send it over. These or slapping stickers on cars or lobbying Congress for an extra pad. The helmet. It's interesting that a soldier on his third or fourth tour should care about a drawing from a 5 year old or a faded sticker on a car as his friends die around him or an extra pad in a helmet as if it will protect him when an IED throws his vehicle 50 feet into the air as his body comes apart and his skin melts to the seat, that's his. That's pretty graphic, yeah. 

Just a small. 

Small part of of what what he wrote and and it just I think it really captures that that idea. 

Yeah. Of. 

People put up their hand to to go and fight in what they thought was this War on Terror. To support, you know, to to capture the people that caused September 11 and then it just kept changing. The rationale kept changing and and they're they're they're in the middle of it and then they're being sent. 

Yeah. Yes. 

Elsewhere, and they're not understanding why and they. 

That's. 

We're told all of these different reasons and rationale, and it's not making sense, but they've already signed up. They're already over there, so they're already part of it, and they're seeing, they're seeing their friends die. 

Yeah. That's right. And remembering that Kevin Tillman was the the older brother of Richard with Pat, that enlisted the same day, and both of them went over there. So that's what he thinks. 

He was a brother that also went, yeah, yes. And I think he was. He was nearby when it all happened. Yeah. So as part of the whole cover up as well, they kept everything hush hush from him. So they they covered it up around him because I don't think he was in the same unit. 

That's his sentiment. 

But he was in the same. 

Area. Yeah. So the facts are he he was killed by friendly fire. The the military tried to cover it up. The family encouraged people to dig a little bit deeper. It actually went to trial. And they found out the correct answer, which was that it was a friendly fire incident and the truth. Came to light. Well, there's. 

Also, other evidence that came to light, I think around 2007 that maybe it wasn't friendly fire. So some people have their doubts that it was accidental. 

Right. 

He was apparently shot three times in the head and he was shot at close range. There was no evidence of any and this is this is according to another report that I read, there was no evidence of any enemy fire in the area. 

Well, he would have been OK. 

And the doctors who examined his body were suspicious of the close proximity of the bullet wounds. They even tried and ultimately failed to convince authorities to investigate the death as a potential crime. Time because the evidence did not match up with the scenario as described. His uniform was also burned and I think he kept Diaries. They were also destroyed. 

So they. All of. 

That. 

Yeah. 

Umm, unless you were there, you're never gonna know. Let's go over to sport. Well, we're talking about another controversy in the NFL. Not not nearly as controversial as what happened to Pat Tillman and a little bit more, I guess, comical, if anything. It was quite bizarre. The NFL draught takes place on the 24th of April and it's a big draught. There's some big players in the NFL draught. There's three quarterbacks involved in this NFL draught that were that have only since recently retired. 

And is the draught where they picked them from college? Is it is that they choose college football? 

That's right. 

That's right. And depending on how A-Team performs over the course of the year. 

Knives. 

They can either get the like if you go really poorly you'll you'll get the first pick. If you're the bottom of the ladder, you get the first pick in the draught next year with the you know with the hope that you might be able to sort of improve with a better player. So yeah. So there's there's three quarterbacks that were really big in that draught and it was it, it was Ben Roethlisberger who ended up playing for the Pittsburgh Steelers. 

Take someone good. Ohh, that's nice. 

Philip Rivers, who ended up playing for the San Diego Chargers and Eli Manning. Who was Peyton Manning's younger brother? 

I was going to say, I know that Manning name yes. 

And the Mannings are a very big family within the NFL and and Eli went on to play for the New York Giants and win them a Super Bowl or maybe two. So the draught happens on the 24th and those three guys are there. Eli is touted as being the number one pick. 

So everyone wants him. 

The the player that everybody wants and the San Diego Chargers that year had the number one pick for the draught. And they they televise it. It's a really big deal over there in the states. It's look, I've watched the draught and it's it's kind of boring most of the time. Like if I'm being honest, I'm just like can we just get to the season starting for me? But they they make a big deal about it. Eli had said in conversations with his dad and his. Agent and even the San Diego Chargers that he did not want to go to San Diego. 

Right off the top. Eli, why don't you want to play? 

For the chargers. 

Uh, you know, we're not really giving details right now. We just we've made our decision and that's what we're sticking to. 

Whose influence? Most. 

You know, just it's not really an influence. This is my decision. It was, you know, I I wanted to do this. I was not, you know, told to do this or we talked about it I and I thought it was the best idea. So I went with it. 

With the first choice in the 2004 NFL draught, the San Diego Chargers select Eli Manning quarterback Mississippi. 

Ohh, the crowd goes wild. 

Please tell me there's footage of the look on his face when that. 

It's hilarious. He's just like what? Yeah, because he was. Eli has this face. It's just like this resting dopey face. But. And. And it's so funny because there's been photos of Eli recently that have been turned into memes. I think when when Peyton won a Super Bowl and Eli's up there, you know, in the corporate box because his team's been knocked out. 

Happens. Was his face looking like? 

And everyone else is celebrating it. He's just kind of. Hello, darkness, my old friend. 

Ah. 

You know, he's just, like, devastated. 

So did he look, he did he look ******? 

Off. Yeah, he he wasn't impressed. But he had to kind of still go up there and pose for the cameras with the number one jersey with the Chargers jersey and be like, you know. 

And. 

Big Lots. 

Well, I guess it's still a. It's still a big deal, even though you don't wanna play for them, you're still the first one picked. 

Yeah, he's getting kind of big deal, you know. 

On the team like that's a. Don't wanna be the last. 

It's millions of dollars. And then 4th. 

And it's the reason. He didn't wanna play for them because they were crap. Is that what it was? Because they were like the crap team. 

I look at that, he. 

He had designs on he wanted to go to New York. He wanted to get his own way and go and play in New York. That's where he wanted to play, yet his. Heart set on. Doing that and they were like as much as the draught is this thing that they do like, there's obviously lots of backroom conversations that happens, there's sporting agents and all sorts of stuff. 

You know. 

It's been a wiggle worm, is it? 

You know, there's a lot of Wheeling and dealing like players are commodities and they wheel and deal in players and players try and get the best deal. So so the draught happens. But then all this other stuff can. 

Hmm. 

Happen. So we get to the fourth round pick, which is the New York Giants. So they're like they're like ohh elies off the board. What are we gonna do? They drive Phillip rivers. 

OK, so he was one of the other. Big threes, yeah. 

That's right. They they draught Phillip rivers in the fourth round and then and then they go away and like rivers gets up with his giants jersey and he poses for the cameras and all that and he gets the photos. He was like, how does. 

But he's happy. Yeah. 

It feel to. Be in New York, John. He's like, great stoked that. 

Love all. 

Thank you. 

And then the Wheeling and dealing starts. Happening so the. Draught is still going on in the foreground, but in the background you've got giant staff and and owners and chargers owners all having conversations with agents and families, basically between the rivers, families and and the Manning families about this. And within 45 minutes of. 

Hmm. 

Of Eli being drafted to San Diego. A side deal is made and he's traded to New York and New York. Trade Philip Rivers over to San Diego and then yes. But the caveat was cause like, well, they're like, well, what else are you gonna give us to sweeten the deal. So they give them three extra draught picks. So New York get 3 less draught picks and then. 

So they did a swap seats. 

San Diego gets three more it it all gets a bit murky and complicated, but ultimately it's a swap. We're we're playing. Swap sees, and we'll take. We'll take Eli and you can have some draught picks and then you can have Phillip rivers with those draught picks as well. And San Diego. 

Went deal. So did they then. Pop tops because you said they get a top and they hold it up, they get the jersey and they hold it up, do they? 

Yes, yes. 

Then have to. Swap tops? Well, they're the same size. 

Well, the I don't the photo. 

Of. 

Well, I think the photo opportunity has since passed, you know, but he was, you know, he had his little San Diego cap and well, it is. And then Eli gets his own way. What's awkward about it? Is it the fans don't really appreciate that. 

Then that's just awkward. 

Did Rivers did rivers? How did Rivers feel about San? Diego rivers alright with. 

The thing is. 

That rivers is a really was a really good quarterback. He only retired like I think a couple of seasons ago. So he hung in there for a long time. Franchise quarterback, stayed with the charges for his entire career, and look in Ellie's defence, he went on to play sixteen seasons with the New York Giants up until 20/19. He holds a franchise record for the Giants. 

Do you stay with them? OK. Did. Shirt fit properly though when he swapped. 

Not in time. I think it's just for show. I think they go and I mean they're NFL jerseys. They wear a lot of padding. So I think pretty much anyone would have fitted exactly. 

It with Phillip. 

Oh. It's alright. Good, good. 

He holds the franchise records for passing yards at New York touchdowns and completions, which is really funny because towards the end of the season he started to get quite sloppy and he he just. I mean, he didn't have a lot of pass protection. I I mean it takes an entire team to protect the quarterback and then the quarterbacks got to connect and there's lots of images of Eli. Just getting smashed by the opposition and also throwing a lot of interceptions. And so there was a really cool meme going around of like, you know, you know, Apple turnover. And they were called Eli Manning turnovers. 

They were just like he's. 

I had a great time taking the **** out of Eli, as did his brother Peyton, but they actually, in his retirement now he does a lot of commentary with his brother and they're actually kind of the face. They're kind of like, I guess what Matty Johns would be with the NRL, the Manning brothers and stuff, but yeah, like. 

Yeah, alright. Yeah. 

210 consecutive games from 22,000 and four to 2017. Third longest consecutive starts. They they benched him, I think around 2018 and but he's still hung around as a. Reserve he's ranked as the 10th all time passing yard leader and 10th in touchdown Sydney NFL. Yeah, so he's pretty good, Eli. But if first impressions count, it's just it's just not very nice, isn't it? And Eli was like, I talked to my dad and I was like, yeah. OK, so his dad. 

Bit of a. 

No. 

Kind of took the heat and the agent kind of took the heat for it. And you know, I I just think it just ran pretty foul of the fans and and so as a consequence, you could imagine what that first game between the Chargers and the Giants would have been like that year. 

Yes. 

That was like sport and news all rolled into one. It's time to move over to the arts side of the programme. Welcome to the welcome to the Art segment Sunday afternoon. 

Ohh. 

Yes. 

Very, very highbrow. And this one was definitely on high rotational art, sound FM, Amon still number one in Australia in the UK. 

What I said he told me. Kisses. Do you? I don't want you back. What I said now. 

And that was aimon. With it. I don't want you back on Art Sound FM. Coming up next, we'll have some songs from our featured artist this Week 2 live crew. Hey, we want some see all of that this afternoon on Art Sound FM. I hope you're enjoying your day. 

That's how I picture it would happen. That's how I think it. 

Yes, yes. So they might have a double shot with that Martinez thing as well. Yeah, double shot of two of crew. Martinez. That was a great song. Yes. Yes. Martina's wife. Wow. Let's go over to the top five in the US. 

Would play out on. A double shot. Oh. 

This will have. 

So many days, so many hours, so still. 

Nobody in this little. 

If you're blaming me, keep it on the low. Because my heart can't. 

1. 

OK. 

What? 

I've got the order right this time. 

Ohh good. Yeah, yeah. 

Yeah, sorry about that. I think that was like last week. I screwed the order up maybe the week before another White Group entering into the. 

Was it? I kind of remember. 

Sneak sneaking in there, speaking around the corner going. 

Walking into. 

Hey. Hey. Can we come in? How you going? 

Yeah. 

But usher still number one with you. I don't wanna know who was. I don't wanna. Know. 

Marian, Marian. 

Ohh, Mario Wayans, wasn't it? 

Mario, was it Mario? Was it? 

And I think it then. I think ohh. I don't know, I think. And I think it was a sample of Enya and there was some ditty involvement. 

That's right. Yeah. Wow, we're doing well. 

Yes, #2 tipsy Jake one ohh hang on a. Minute. 

Ohh no a Jake 1 update have we have we received a reply? 

Want me to stay open up? Let me just open. I have an open cameo lately, but I did turn notifications on, so I I suspect. 

Yeah. 

We've had no further activity. It's been. All right. Let me just open up. I haven't opened up cameo for a while. So there might be a nice surprise. 

Ohh good. 

No, I wish I would tell you if it's been read, you know how you forgot to turn it off on your thing so I can always see when you've read my messages and you know on your. 

Surprises. What? Ohh really. 

IPhone, can you turn that? Off you can turn that off. Yes, because it's just. I just find that it's. 

And so. 

Just intrusive to to know if someone's read something and then they take like 5 minutes to respond. 

Infuriating. 

Well, let's. 

So you've got that you've got that off on your phone. Yes. No wonder I'd never. I'd never get you never replied. 

Because if I read something and I don't respond straight away, yeah, I I I could imagine what would happen so. 

Well, now you know how it feels, don't you? Yeah. 

Well, yes, Jakwan doesn't have read receipts switched on either, so I don't know if he's read it. He certainly hasn't replied, but they're still offering us. 

That up here. 

Sticker. 

What? 

We can send him a sticker. 

Ohh, that's right. We could send a sticker. Yes, I don't. Well, it's a down pay week, so I definitely we. Yeah, we can't really. 

Maybe next week, maybe next week we'll send. Him a sticker. It's off pay week. Ohh. OK. Well, maybe on pay week we send another one for $8 and just say hey. 

Alright, but don't hit send twice because you can't afford the 16. 

Sister us just wanna know if. You ever replied to these? 

Yeah, you big stupid jerk. 

So Jake, ones in at #3, yes, burn and then our new white entry. This loves Maroon 5, maroon, iPhone, maroon, maroon, maroon. Well, no, like I call them Maroon 5 because I feel that's how they pronounce it. But I call the colour maroon. 

Tipsy. Yeah. And then ushers back in there with burn. Yep. Yes, this love. 

Can we? 

Do you say maroon or do you say maroon? 

Well, I say maroon. He's I'm Australian. Yeah, but well, do they prove himself? Maroon 5. But they is. It is it like. 

Marine. So should we just call them maroon? 5. No, they say maroon. So do you have to respect what they call themselves or can you do it with your own accent? 

Is it in? Is it in the context of it? Being a colour. Or is it in the context of being stranded? 

Ohh like they're Maroons? Ohh. 

Yeah, well, that would be marooned, not maroon. Or maybe it's like with the intention to make them stranded. Maroon 5. 

Yeah, that's not. Yeah, cause of me and me do. 

How many people should we render stranded this week? Ohh Maroon 5. 

Well, the colour of that album. Their debut album, songs about Jane, is a is a burnt reddish hue. 

These. I was gonna say it's more burgundy than maroon. 

The same thing isn't. 

It is it. Maybe claret. I don't know Chara. 5A Sherar 5 ohh yes OK. 

Shiraz. Shiraz. Yeah. Second single. What was their first single from songs about Jane? 

Oh sure, wrong. Ohh, is that the the she will be loved. 

All this though this the Suki 1 yes. 

She will be loved or it's like he doesn't mind standing every day on your corner in the pouring rain, cause it's just giving me an excuse to take your. 

Uh. 

Shirt off. Probably, yeah. 

Yes. 

Are the lyrics for this one the second single this love are based on the lead vocalist Adam Levine. Yeah, his break up with an ex girlfriend. He revealed that the song was written in the most emotionally trying time of his life. 

Right. 

And I think she broke up with him while he was writing the album or he broke. I don't know who broke up with who, but he was apparently very sad, but it was good timing, he. 

He's a pants man. He wouldn't be that. 

Also like he's. Saying it's the most emotionally trying time in my life and I'm writing this song and I'm heartbroken, but then he goes on to describe the lyrics and. The songs being extremely ******. 

Ohh, he uh. He's creepy. Like he's just creepy. 

Well it it does. It gets creepier because the music video features him and his then girlfriend, so he's obviously then got another girlfriend when he's done the video clip, not the one that broke his heart. She's a model Kelly and they have some intimate scenes. I saw her still shot. They're in a bath and. 

Yeah. 

Well, they're obviously naked in the bath and they had to use creative camera angles to not see the naked bits to avoid. Well, they wouldn't. Didn't wanna be banned by the FCC. Won't let me be. So they did some some creative camera work and then they asked him about the video because it was a bit controversial. And he said. 

Right. 

OK. Right. 

Hmm. 

It was surprisingly not weird and surprisingly not sexual. It was totally comfortable. I didn't get hornie or anything, which is weird because it was my girlfriend that I shot it with. 

I think it's like you've got the the best judge of that would be OK. So if you're watching video hits on a Saturday morning out in the lounge room and then your parents walk in in the middle. 

With your parents. Of that, if you blush. Yeah, it should be banned. Should be banned. SEC. Take it off the air right now. 

If you're feeling a bit awkward by that, let's you ban it exactly. He's a strange cat, Adam Levine. Like he, he's he's looks like a cross between. And a Calvin Klein underwear model and Robert De Niro's character from Cape Fear. If he used tattoos from a bubble gum packet. 

I'm gonna say the tattoos do look a bit fake. Don't they feel like they were done in a bit of a rush? Gotta gotta have. This bad boy image for. 

Rocked up after a big weekend. 

For she will be loved crying in the pouring rain. Quick, quick. Yes. Get get me a insta sleeve. Hmm. And then of course, there was this, the great, the great direct message saga of a couple of years ago. 

Had a whole bunch of tough stickers. Yeah. 

What was that all about? 

Scroll down. Remember this one. 

Ohh was that when he was that when he texted, did he text some? 

Umm yeah, I think he was. Was he having an affair with a model or something? 

And he was like, and he's, like, jumped into it, climbed into her DM's. 

I like that instead of jumping climbed that he would, he would climb. He's a bit lanky. He's. 

Client crawled. Actually, no. He'd slither slither into her DM's. He would slither into there and he said something like that body of yours is absurd. 

And there was lots of. Swears and that turned into a meme. 

Right. 

Yeah, that's really weird too. How are you such an hourglass? My God, that all of those things that he said, that body of yours is absurd. I mean, that could be taken one of many ways, right? Yeah. Like, what are you saying? The body of yours is absurd. Yeah. 

That could be offensive, yeah. That's absurd. Look at your claw, too. That's absurd. That seemed too. 

Like you should. 

Actually maybe like just go and see a podiatrist. My God, your gait. The way you walk that body of yours is absurd. It's going on there. What else? We got new. Album. 

Do we have an album called Underneath which is the third album by American pop rock? Brothers Hanson are the Handsome boys released? In 2004 had three CG records. 

Strange how we just. I don't remember that. Do you remember that album coming? 

Out I think. Well, we all remember this song. 

And I know one hit wonders. Bravo. No, never heard it before in my life. Never ever. Yes. 

The 1997 single what does that mean? Could we say then that umm, bop is like the first official BOP? Because you know how people started describing songs as bops in the mid to mid 2000s? 

You know what? I've never heard that until you did it on the podcast and I just thought you said you sounded. 

That's a bomb. 

The old. 

Well, people were saying that's about probably about 10 years ago. So I was a late adopter. 

Yeah, right. So you do sound really old, but well, I've never heard it at all. So how old do I sound? 

Of saying that's a bop. 

So then. But if the term BOP came out, say 2010, does that mean then that MMM bop is the original BOP? 

And is that the way you like if it's a BOP, it's good because you're like, MMM, as in you. But if it's a me bop. 

That we spay thoughts. Bob. 

It's just average. 

Or is it just the BOP that comes after the? L bop I don't understand. 

And if it's, and if it's like a ooh bop, it sucks. 

Well, no. Maybe it's just chronologically. It comes after the L BOP and then the the N BOP comes next. 

So it's like. Ohh, so you're thinking alphabetically. Boop. Bop, bop, bop. 

Maybe. I don't know. They were 1114 and 16 when that came out and. 

Right. 

Oh, the girls loved it. They were such the heartthrobs. I I remember it well in the 90s. I wasn't a big fan. I was. I was older. So I was like, no, that's just creepy. So I can't like this song. But I do remember teenage girls just like whoosh. They're like The Beatles. 

Then there's some boys. Oh. 

My God, I. Ohh, they were well. Not that's I think that's a bit. Of a Longbow to draw. They were definitely popular. What I think is tragic about Hanson is they are all capable musicians. They are very good at writing pop songs and they sound great and they've obviously got some really good production values and they know their way around their instruments in the studio and all that sort of stuff. But as soon as they got too old, the record company dropped them like a bucket of spuds. They just didn't care. 

They got. I think they got dropped from their label when they were touring, so they were doing the Albertan tour and they were starting to work on their second album. And I think they were signed with Mercury. At the time and it then merged with Island Def Jam and I'm Sure Island Def. 

Ohh really that's like. 

Jam's like a hip hop. 

Beastie Boys and Run DMC and I think Slayer were on Def Jam while they was like Rick Rubin, yeah. 

It's a hip hop label. Oh really? 

Yes. 

And so the second album comes out. This is the early 2000s, but they didn't do a lot of promo of the album, obviously spending it on the the hip hops and the the heavy. Metals. 

I think that could have been a really big coup for Def Jam to have handson on that. 

Label. Well, the sales were low and then they put the funding for the tour. So then Hanson had to, they wanted to keep the tour. They didn't wanna cancel on the fans. So they then paid for it themselves. They paid for the. Rest of two of themselves. 

Kind of, you know, done a Co headlining thing with the Beastie Boys. Mate, you've gotta fight for your right to Bob. 

Be wonderful. 

They left their record label and sought more creative freedom because I think they'd recorded around 80 songs and the execs were just like, no, no next. No, no, no, that's that's that's bring out an L BOP please or an N bop. 

Yeah. 

Crikey didn't want to listen to any of them. And but it's all it's all messed up to us, yeah. 

And they they felt they felt that the new material lacked marketability. So they, they've gone, well, stuff is we're gonna go independent. And underneath is their first release on their Independent Record label. Yes. Of their own. And they also filmed the documentary strong enough to break during the recording process and starting up their own. Label so I I. Think good on them. And I was listening to it cause I I I like you. I didn't remember the album. I only recall and I was listening to it. Today the new album. Well, not the new album, the 2004. Album. 

Yeah. Well, in the context of this podcast, I'll accept new. Yes. Yeah. Fresh. 

It's new. It's brand. Fresh fresh album. 

On art Sound FM. 

It's not bad. 

The real. 

Green skies bloom town rise till we meet tonight. 

Salad. 

See, I can. It was a nice background. Listen, while I was doing some things on the. Mutter. I had it on, but I had it on like probably 5 dots on the speaker, so it wasn't cranked right up. It was about a 55 dots and it was it was. 

Just think it's. 

Yeah. 

Yeah, yeah, it's not really something you can crank. 

It was pleasant. It's. 

Safe hot AC radio rock. I could picture I could picture Rob Thomas singing that song. You know I could picture Matchbox 20 doing. 

Pleasant. Didn't hate it. Adam Levine. 

No, no, he, he butcher it. 

It's good, it's pretty. 

It was good. It was good. 

They're still doing stuff. They were featured in People magazine. I remember this one not. Not like the rude people, people like. 

They are. Not the Australian People magazine. 

The American yes. 

That you get the truck stop, yeah. Yes, exist people magazines. 

Does that still? 

That was very confusing because, like the American people, was like new weekly. But the Australian people was like Playboy. 

Just. Show us your. ****. Yeah, that's a lot. Of booze truck drivers. Bloody. You know you the choice of truck drivers having long lonely nights on the road. Copy of People magazine and maybe some caffeine or speed. 

****. There's a lot of **** people. Say yes. 

Yeah. So that were featured in the American people discussing their career and their family commitments and being on the road. 

Yes. Well, the American People magazine. Was like who? Weekly. 

Yes, it was said yes. 

So what's that? Yeah, it's on new weekly. Oh, it's probably more like who, actually. It's not as it's. Yeah, cause cause. Who is who's kind of a little step above new week. New week is trashy. 

Oh, is that what? You. Said sorry, I was still. Yeah, I'm sorry if I kind of ignored you. What happened? 

You started thinking about tips. 

There was. I started. 

Fishing. 

And that's what happens. I started thinking about People magazine. 

People magazine. There was in a plastic. Wrapper in the news agent. They used to try to hide the *****, but sometimes to. 

I did. They put people in plastic. 

I think it was in plastic and it would have a piece of it would have a piece of paper over the covers and you can see the boots. And I think sometimes the paper would fall down was that that magazine. 

That sounds weird. 

Did it really? I I I think that was only that was only a new development because I'm fairly certain that in the in the 80s and you know late 80s, early 90s. 

Maybe that was only the Cambodians agency. It was out on display. 

They were out for all. To be fair, I mean you, you it was always. Yeah. Anyway, it was. But. But you know, as a young teenage boy cruising the aisles of the news, though, it's very, very confusing. 

It's in the adult section, right? Ohh I can imagine I can imagine. Yes, I can imagine anyway. You know, you just went there to photocopy your assignment on frogs and all of a sudden, yes. Anyway, so anyway, they were on the the American people. And then May 26th, 2023. So this is. 

Yeah. 

Exactly. They could go weekly. Yes. 

About a year ago. Umm. 

They released a cover of Mmmbop in collaboration with one of your favourite bands. 

When you say your favourite band. 

Bop 2.0 in #collab with. Who's David Buss busted. 

What I said. 

That's not it. See now that's just noise. That's what that is. That's noise. 

That's what I mean. 

Was a bit. 

You loud. It's bit loud. 

It was just messy. It's just, you know, it's just put some distorted guitars in it and steal Hanson song so busted. Can try and do something better. 

Well, what do you? 

Expect when you put some busted on it. 

But they're from the UK, I don't. Know how they're friends? I don't understand. I don't understand this. Understand this collaboration? 

Riding their coattails. Ohh well, you know Hanson did travel the world, you know. 

I just wouldn't have thought they'd be friends with bustard. 

Maybe they like went to some like dumped band support. 

Oh, my God. Yeah. Yeah, maybe it was like a forum for. When you get like dropped off your life and. 

What were the handsome boys names Zach Taylor and Joe like? Yeah, my name is Zach, and I was in Hanson, but we got dropped because our label merged with Def Jam. And then. 

It's like a support forum. 

Tyler. 

Some dudes like. 

I'm David from busted. 

And he's like, he's David. I don't know. 

Alright, let's move on. 

That's my story. I'm sticking to it. 

Move on to an album release. That's probably a little bit more in. Your wheelhouse. 

Ohh this was this was black label. Society is a band that was formed by Ozzy Osbourne guitarist Zach Wilde as a bit of a side thing. He'd done some solo albums like Book of Shadows and Stuff, and then he formed a band called Black Label Society which became quite popular but quite an underground follow. And it was mainly a lot of heavy rock'n'roll, lots of shreddy guitars. But then he released hangover Music Volume 6, which is weird because it was their 5th studio album. It makes no sense at all and. 

Maybe they had a non studio. 

Album and it was a lot more mellow. It was that there was a lot more acoustic stuff on there. It was it like it was trying to live up to the title of being hangover music, I guess. 

But they can't. 

So. 

Hi sish. 

And some fans thought that it was a nod back to his first solo effort, which was Book of Shadows, and it's got a song that's dedicated to Lane Staley from Alice In Chains on there. And then he does a cover. Zach drops the guitar for a while and does a cover of Procal Harum's whiter shade of pale. 

Fandango, turn call World across the floor here. I was unconscious. But the crowd go up. 

There you go. That's that's Zach Wald singing and playing the piano. 

Does he? Does he normally think? 

He does. He's. You can hear it. It's he's. Look, I like Zach while playing the guitar, but I don't mind him as a vocalist. He's it's definitely. 

That's good. 

He's pretty good in that he's taken a lot of cues from Aussie. I think he's learned a lot of his his vocal technique from Ozzy Osbourne and he's he's touring at the moment with obviously Pantera, where he's playing the Pantera, which, which is the band that I went and saw at the festival. Ohh. So amazing. God, it was good. 

Yep, Yep. 

But so he's tuning with Pantera, but he's also doing some stuff with Black Label Society as well, and he's also carrying the torch for Black Sabbath, like Black Sabbath obviously have retired, but he has a a little side cover band called Zach Sabbath, and he goes out on the road and plays Black Sabbath songs like he just cause. He loves playing Black Sabbath songs, so he is a busy. 

Missing all right. 

The guy and he's a pretty cool guy. He's I think he's been even busier since he stopped drinking, you know, a big theme with Black Label Society was getting on the turbs, but he ended up with blood clots in his legs. I think it was. And the doctor basically said, you know, you got you gotta lay off the sauce. Like you've had a good run. It's time to lay off the sauce. However, it was, I think, rumoured that the the HIS alcohol consumption actually kept his blood nice and thin, which stopped the blood clots from travelling up towards his heart or his brain and causing more of a problem. So Zach Wilde is a completely sober man these days and he just hits the gym and plays music. That's. 

Oh. Wow. Yes. 

Really does, and that album is pretty cool. It's it's not heavy, it's not heavy. There's some really good acoustic stuff on there and that cover a whiter shade of pale. Ain't too bad. 

That's that sounded really good. Imagine if he'd done that in BOP 2.0 collapse. I would have loved. 

To have had that, wasn't there a member of? 

Fencing called Zach. As well, yes, well, that's just gonna be confusing you. 

OK. 

Can't have two zachs in one there. Over to the box office now. As we look at movies and TV and all that sort of stuff in the entertainment part of the show. And this was a hotly anticipated film from Quentin Tarantino that went to number one in the US box office. We're talking about kill Bill volume 2. 

The incident that happened at the two Pines wedding Chapel that put this whole glory story into motion has since become legend. 

Deserves her revenge and we deserve to die. 

Have killed a hell. Of a lot of people to get. To this point, and I am going to kill Bill. 

The martial arts film obviously written and directed by Quentin Tarantino. It's the second part to kill Bill, starring Uma Thurman as the bride continuing her campaign of revenge. 

That's right. 

Hence the title kill Bill. 

Volume to against the assassination squad of Lucy Liu, Michael Madsen, Daryl Hannah, Vivica A. Fox and their leader, Bill. Yes. Who? She's obviously gonna kill. Cause you tried to kill her and. 

David David Carradine from the the show Kung Fu the TV show Kung Fu. Yeah. Ohh yeah. 

Her unborn child, volume one, was released six months earlier. Yeah. So that was a quick turn around, but I think they were originally going to be a single release. So I really want to volume to we're going. 

Yeah. And they. 

To just be one. 

Movie. Yeah. And they shot it all at. The same time, yes. 

OK, so that explains the quick turn around, but I think it went for over 4 hours so they divided it into two. 

Which is, I think really kind because they wouldn't. It is they wouldn't do that these days. They just Chuck in the cinema for four hours like an animal knowing to me. 

It's good manners, isn't. No. With no intermission. 

In, you know, you'd sit there with your back teeth floating by the time you got 19. 

Because. Don't wanna go to the top. 

Minutes. 

You don't wanna miss any of this. 

Don't be sending the action you don't want. 

Movies high action, yes. 

To miss any of the. Sword play sword play between Uma and Lucy. You. Yes. What if she kills Bill while you're in the toilet? Exactly. 

While you while you're taking a whiz? Yes, regrets. 

Is that a metaphor? Ohh, excuse me. I've just gotta go kill Bill. Is it A1 or A2I? Reckon that'll be #2 if you. Gotta go and kill. Bill. Yeah. Yeah. So you know who I mean. And and this is Tarantino is starting to get pretty self indulgent at at this stage with his filmmaking, but it's still good, you know, it's the. It's the homage to grindhouse cinema, martial arts films, samurai. 

Hmm. 

Cinema blacksploitation, spaghetti Westerns all rolled into one, and it was very fun. Very, very fun and very successful as well. I've got lots of positive reviews 152.2 million grossed. Worldwide and only a production budget of 30 million. So his money back, he did pretty well 84% from critics on Rotten Tomatoes, 89 from the audience a much loved and revered Tarantino movie, which is a lot more than I can say for some of his recent efforts, which I do find very self indulgent. But people, I mean, Tarantino is a very polarising. 

Yeah. 

You either love him or you hate him. 

Yeah. 

And a lot of people love him and they love that movie over in Australia, #1 was Starsky and Hutch. Still, so I'm wondering if kill Bill hadn't been released yet, because I feel like as soon as it does drop in Australia, it's got enough Starsky and Hutch. 

Yeah. 

Straight off its perch. Yeah, we got a little. 

Bit later over here I think yes. Well, let's move to TV then. That's enough movies. The 18th of April 2004, we had the 50th British Academy Television Awards for the the BAFTA TV Awards. Something like that. 

Good idea. 

Oh. 

Is that what it's? 

Called the barter, the barters like the school. 

Shoes think they used the word BAFTA, but they Chuck a TV in there. 

I. 

Beth Tevez. 

I don't know. But Little Britain won for best comedy. 

Uh, Little Britain, Little Britain one for that and I buried was breast drama but Little Britain. 

Did you just say buried was breast drama? 

Possibly. 

Are you still looking through People magazine? 

Just thinking about people. 'S breast drama that is a breast drama that is anyway. 

It's so dramatic. 

What if I get carded at the front counter of the news agents? That's going to be a breast drama, so. 

Little Britain, yes, yes. 

Speaking of drama, I don't think Little Britain was revered. People loved it. Not really. What? Really. Ohh wouldn't, I'm not gonna say it wasn't funny. It was a bit nonsense sickle. And it was that that British comedy sort of on steroids. So they were definitely going for. 

Did you? Were you in? Were you? Into that, no. I don't think I ever even. Watched it to be honest. 

More of the shock value. And I don't know that Little Britain would stand up today, but everyone would remember. All the catches. 

Phases. 

You buck your buck, you buck? Yes. I am OK. 

Computer says 9. 

Every all the bread that for the duck. Be gentle with me, Prime Minister. 

It's it is kind of funny and it it it it's fun to watch. It's even more fun, I think, to watch in the context of. Society as we know it today, and I don't know, I mean David Williams 1/2 of the Little Britain guys is writing children's books these days. Is he? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. He wrote gangster Granny, which is a book that our son. Read ohh is. That him. That's him. The little guy. The dude that. 

No way. 

They dressed up in black face and lampooned disabled people back in the late 90s and early 2000s. Is riding children's books now. 

Well, there's that's a very dark book. 

It is a very dark book thanks to green. 

That actually made me cry at the end and. 

Yeah. 

Yes, I'm glad I read ahead and put that one away before. We got to the end because. 

It just spoil the spoiler alert. 

There would have been a bit to explain and. Unpack there. Yes, it's been very dark. Wow. 

Exactly, exactly. They should put bloody warnings on that. They should have put them on Little Britain as well, but they won an award that time. Now we go over to Australia's TV's nights and nights. 

Ohh, we're like, well, we'll take. You back to titas. 

You know, I mean. 

And we'll raise you a Logie. 

That was the 50th, the 50th God. That's pretty fly for. Black guy. That was the 50th British Academy Television Awards, but it was the 46th, 4 years behind you, but not by much. The annual TV week Logie Awards, held on Sunday the 18th of April at the Crown Palladium in Melbourne and broadcast on the nine Network and. 

46 we're a little bit. Yes. 

Your votes and your TV week magazine. 

That's right. Does there, have you ever done that? Have you ever voted for the Logies in? TV week. Who does that? 

God no, because you'd have to. I don't even think it was a free mail. I think you had to pay for a stamp. 

Hmm. 

You had to. You had to cut it out of the magazine. Yeah. You had to fill it out in pen. You had to put in an envelope. You had to buy a stamp, and you had to go to the post office and post. 

Yeah. 

It. Yeah, I'm not doing that. 

The only people that would do that would be the same people that write complaint letters. About Little Britain, I reckon. 

Honestly, or people that work at a TV channel. 

Yes. 

Wanting to win for their TV show. 

Well, yes, yes, I could picture Rove McManus there with a stack of TV weeds filling out the form and licking envelopes until he's got a pimple on his tongue. 

Buying all the. Weights, yes. Although we are. 2004 maybe there's a there was a phone number. Maybe there's a one. 800 number where? You. Could pay like $68 to vote. 

It's advice for the. Ladies, well, nobody's nobody's doing that. You know. 

I don't know. I didn't do it. I didn't care. 

Yes. Yeah. Ohh geez. I went to go and buy a TV work and I accidentally picked. Up a copy of people. Hell am ever gonna bite in. 

I know what I'm voting for, the Golden Globes, 2000 and fours, was hosted by Eddie McGuire, so you can imagine. 

The leggings now? Yeah. Ohh God. 

Mel Brooks was a guest. Ron Moss, isn't she? That's the bold and beautiful days of our lives. Bold and beautiful. He had nice hair, didn't he? Rugged. 

Yeah, at Ridge Ridge. Yeah, Ridge the Ridge from Boulder and beautiful. Yeah, Ron Moss. 

Great hair. Great. Great musician. Yeah, just an all around. Nice guy, actually. Yeah. I think he's a pretty nice fellow. Ron Moss. Yeah. So he was there as well. Rose McManus won the most popular personality on TV. Yeah. Aaron Jeffrey from Mcleod's daughters. Won the Silver Logie. I I wonder if he was one that rescued. 

Good chin, good jawline. Is he nice? Good, good to hear when that happens. Ohh yeah, he was big then. That makes sense. 

Ah yes. 

Just from the silo, maybe. 

Well, Lisa Chappell from McLeod store is one of the most popular actress, is that Tess? Is that Tessie film? 

Yeah, I don't think so. No, I don't think that was. 

Silent or now? 

'S bride, her name was bridy, wasn't it, Briody? 

Roddy Carter? Yeah. Brody Carter played. Tess fell in Silo. It was very tense episode. 

Yeah. 

1. 

Do you remember the promo? 

Yes. 

Ohh Tess was small. 

Ted's fallen in the silo. Terrible silos are incredibly dangerous. 

Very dangerous. We shouldn't. Yes, it's not a place to play. 

Yes, don't play around silos. There's one thing that you is there's some knowledge that you could impart upon your kids that look both ways before you cross the road and don't work with silos. OK, they're dangerous. 

Warning warning, this is public service subnet announcement. 

Yes. 

Very dangerous. 

Ohh, home and away one a lot. The new talent, female and male. Kip and home and away was it very well. That doesn't matter. We want the dolls. Like why did she get? 

Rove, Rove got a silver as well. Like 2 lobbies for Roe. Isabelle Lucas for home and away as well. Poppy. 

Yes, most of the new female was she. She was in the Transformers. 

She was in the Transformers movie. Yes. Yeah, she a little bit. She's basically. I think she just got sexually harassed by Michael Bay, the director. And then merry way. Yes. Yes, indeed. I that's that's allegedly. I don't know that Michael Bay's sexually harassed anyone, but he does tend to do some very exploitative shots of young women like Megan Fox and Isabelle Lucas in his. 

Did she talk? I think. She did anything, did she? 

Yeah, it's a bit creepy, isn't it? 

He's he likes likes to focus on the curvature of the buttocks quite a bit. Lots of yes anyway. But it's all alleged it. Well, you know what? Actually, you know what if Michael Bay read more People magazine, he'd probably spend less time exploiting cause he'd be able to get it out of his system. 

Very PayPal, isn't it? Yes. 

Very People magazine. What's our most popular sport? Let's talk about sports. Let's talk about sports. What's the most? 

Anyway. 

Popular sports. Ohh yes, OK. 

Footy show footy show on the Nine network is that the AFL Footy show or the NRL Footy show? I think it was the NRL. 

If it's nine network, that'd be the fatty one. 

The NRL. Footy show? Yeah. Yeah. Eddie McGuire wouldn't have been happy. 

About that. No, he probably wouldn't have announced. 

Yeah, Rove again live most popular. 

That. 

No one what? 

I love how you just go, Rover again. He didn't say what it was for. This went Rover again. 

Light in the most popular light in the Saint McConnell. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Drama series. Mcleod's daughters doing pretty well. Scooped the pool or the silo. Yeah, they did pretty well. Australian Idol, Australian idol. Most popular reality programme. I think the, but the hughesy hughesy got up to do the most popular lifestyle programme. 

Light. Entertainment comedy. Reality. Reality. Idol. 

Ohh good. 

Thank you. It's an honour to be here for absolute honour and I'm excited to present the lifestyle award because I love lifestyle. I love it. Will backyard Blitz win again? I don't know. We're about to find out. I love backyard blitz. For me, it's an adrenaline rush. Every Sunday night, I'm sitting on the edge of my seat, going. Ohh. You're running out of time, guys. 

We're running out of time. She's on her way home. The goal was not finished yet. You should have worked out better by now. I don't know. Have shorter had breaks. 

I do love that I love the show, love Jamie Cherry. I got to meet Jamie at the Celebrity Grand Prix a few years ago. I was excited. I was excited to be in the race so rang up. They said you wanna be in the celebrity Grand Prix. I said yeah, but you don't. Get. Paid, but you get to keep your suit. In your helmet? I. Said. Great. That's gonna come in handy next time. That's great go karts. We'll be freaking some. Bogans out, won't I? 

Ohh he's too funny easy. 

That is true with the lifestyle shows. It is very stressful. Are they gonna get the done? 

Yes, hurry up. Very well edited. Are they gonna get that? The goal of finished? Will that wallpaper dry in time for them to come home? 

Yes, I'm with you. Easy. 

The paint's still wet. They're gonna come in and. Touch it. Get it. 

All over their clothes backyard blitz. I do remember that show that didn't did Scott Cam take that one over as well? No, that was just. It was all Jamie, wasn't it? 

Backyard. 

With Susanna. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cause backyard. 

Yes. 

Wasn't the inside Scott hams all about the inside? 

Yeah. And he was the landscape, so alright. 

Yeah, he was a landscaper. And also the stripper. 

He was a stripper, wasn't he? 

They they all look the same to me, yes. 

Look Cam as a stripper, the guy, isn't he the one with the? 

I I I I think that there'd be a lot of middle aged women that would appreciate. Scott, cameras and strippers. 

Scott Cam with the taxidermy dog as a. 

Ohh yes. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. He won't stuff your dog, but my goodness. 

Stripper. No, no, no, no. 

Anyway. 

What's the most popular overseas drama? Crime stuff, crime, stuff in investigation. 

CSI Crime Scene investigation is the most popular, most popular overseas comedy friends and the most popular overseas TV star Jennifer Aniston, who strangely. 

Uh. 

Enough. 

Could not be there on the night to accept the award. So I think Eddie McGuire may have accepted it on. 

In TV news this week, 20 years ago, it was quite a milestone moment. I I remember this. 

Ohh one moment. 

That music just does not. Feel appropriate for Blue Heelers I've always felt. That that was a bit out. 

I thought you're going to say like it doesn't age, I said. You're gonna say it's timeless. 

Of place. 

No, it just doesn't like. I know that that's Blue Heelers, and that's the song. And we're listening. Everyone's going. That's obviously Blue heels, but it. 

Yeah, it's pretty realistic, yes. 

Just. 

Doesn't. I don't know. It doesn't feel appropriate. 

What happened? What happened in with Blue Heelers this time 20 years ago? 

They did a live episode, so they did the show live on air. Reasonable doubt. It was called. I do remember this so. 

Yeah. No. 

Well, they just broadcast it out as they. Were doing it. 

So, well, they did. They take the audience. Was there an audience there? OK, we gotta go to this location and shoot this part now. 

No, it's well, it's not filmed in front of a studio audience. 

Well, no. It's just OK, that's stun life. 

So they did it on the sets. They did it on the set. So. So that's where's the that's field, Mount Thomas, isn't it? Mount Thomas, there's. 

Extremely stressful now. Yeah. 

A lot of. Sort of crime for a small country, town. Mount. Mount Thomas. I certainly wouldn't be living there. 

There really was, yes. No, no, it's almost like Mount Druitt. 

So they did 51 scenes on three different sets for the hour long show. 

Oh my goodness. 

So they weren't on location where, like randos could pop up like they do in the news in. The background going, they look my. 

Yeah. 

Mum, they were on set so the closed sets, three sets. 

Yeah. OK. So, well, there's yeah, that would have been I'm imagining. It would have been quite a dialogue. Movie show. You know, there wouldn't be there would have been no action sequences. 

There probably wouldn't have been a lot of stumps. 

Maybe a court room episode. 

Or something. Who's the guy? John. John. Wood, John wood. 

Yeah. Who also, I don't think had won a Logie at this stage. 

He was waiting for a Logie. There's lots of campaigns for John, so he's. 

Yeah, it's like. 

What's it gonna take? They're like, oh, listen, mate, you're gonna have to do. 

Gone. The live episode you have to go live. Let's go live. 

A live episode he's like, are you me? 

Really. Alright. 

He's like, OK, I really want that, like, 2005, can we buy up all all the TV week magazines? 

Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's go. 51 scenes on three sets. Here we go. Yeah. 

I actually couldn't find a lot about it. I was trying to find well, the whole episode's there and I thought, I'm not watching the whole episode, but I wanted to read some reviews. The only place I could find reviews of the live episode was a forum. Called bigfooty forum. So the Big Footy Forum had a board about the live episode of Blue Heelers. 

What are they talking about? The live episode? 

Of blue heelers. I don't know. Maybe it was in between games. I don't know. Maybe the footy was really slow that week. 

He was for the footing floor. 

Ah, well, let's. 

Hit the music. 

All. 

Right. So would you like to know what fans? On the bigfooty. Forum said generally wouldn't have noticed it was live, except for one or two. 

Yes, please. Moments, right? 

Interesting and very well done. They did far better than. I expected. I noticed a few little errors when delivering lines and they stuffed up the lighting change when going into the flashback scene. 

Wow, they did a flashback scene. That's amazing. 

Stuffed up the lighting change for the flashback. 

Ohh my God. 

I reckon a couple of times they looked like they were gonna burst out. Laughing and crying was so overdone. But who can cry really well when you have to? 

I reckon if they had have mentioned the Logies to John, Woody would have been able to cry pretty quickly. 

They also messed up with the camera when they were going into the interview room. They were filming the floor rather than their. 

Bodies that might. 

Not have. Intentional. 

Hmm, no one fell over. No one swore. No one forgot their lines. And most importantly, the gun fired when it was supposed to. So there was a stunt. They. Fired off a. Gun. But Jerry Springer on the Big Footy Forum said. 

Wait, hang on. That not ohk. OK, that's his handle. Jerry Springer's the guy. 

Yes. Well, I could be the real Jerry. 

'S. Hand I doubt it. I doubt it. 

Springer, you don't know. He could be a he could be. 

A big footy fan. 

Right. 

Jerry Springer on the Big 40 forum discussed the gunfire and he said I could fart louder than that rifle going off. 

Well, it sounds like a lot of the crew were copping a bit of here. You know, there's no, no one's having a go at the actors. It's like the lighting stuffed up. The cameras weren't so good. And obviously the sound engineering was pretty bad as well because the gun sounded. 

Yes, that's very unfair. That's very unfair. Thought Adam that, yes. Well, Jerry Springer, why don't you get on the set and fart? Provide the sound of me. 

As loud as a fart. Hmm, I reckon blokes that post on the bigfooty forum would be pretty good at farting loud. 

Just quietly and the episode peaked with a 693,000 viewers in Melbourne, which was really good for the show, although the rest of the season was a failure ratings wise didn't. 

Really. Oh, it's sold it live. Blue Heelers live. 

Keep them in, that would. Be so stressful. That would be so stressful. 

For the actors, the crew, everybody. Yeah. 

Yes. Yes. Imagine us going live. 

No, thank you. 

No, you know what traffic cams we became? Ohh. 

What did you say? I could do it. 

Well then yes you can. 

Fart louder than the rifle. 

I could do it, but they'll be all. Those bits where you go listen you you shouldn't or couldn't have said that or can't say. 

Cut that bit out. You just farted louder than a rifle. 

So that. Well, maybe we'd be able to send out like a little kit to anyone who listens with just a tutorial on the bits that offended them that they could then cut out. Yes. And then they could, yes. And then they could put it or they could write them down on a piece of paper and they. 

OK, so edit themselves. 

Could fold it. Very neatly and shove it up their ****. Ohh wow I. Did not expect to be doing books. This week. 

No, the Da Vinci Code has been hogging the New York. Times. Well, and does that have? 

And adult most of the you. 

It does throughout most of the year, yeah. 

So what happened this week? Is it off? Off week for the Da Vinci Code? 

Great off week because the Christians wanted some fiction from post apocalyptic fiction. 

Really, the Illuminati tried to shut that down. Did they pay? Ohh, some post apocalyptic Christian fiction. What is this called? 

Glorious appearing by Tim Lahay and Jerry B Jenkins. 

Hey. 

I feel like we've I. 

Think this might be a serious cause. I do feel like we've talked about them. Wasn't one of them a minister or something? Was that those guys? I don't know. 

JB. Could have been my Christian apocalyptic post. Apocalyptic fiction, even is is pretty rusty. I'm not really, really well versed and I'm not talking about Bible verses, just well versed on it. So let's do some apocalyptic stuff. So here we go. Thousands of years of human history stained by strife, death and sin come to an end when the King of Glory returns to Earth. Dissatisfying conclusion of seven years of tribulation. Covered by the left behind. Series portrays the return of Jesus Christ to. The earth in both glory and judgement. I didn't time that very well, did I? With the music I did try at the height of the battle between the forces of evil gathered at Armageddon and the remaining Christian believers at Petra and Jerusalem, nothing seems to be able to stop the Antichrist Nikolai Carpathia. But God has another plan. 

No. So. 

Does he? Yes. 

God. 

Has another. 

Well. 

Ohh Jesus Christ. 

Glorious appearing. 

Know what I'm doing there? I think we need something. Just listen. 

Jesus, Mary and Joseph. 

Something a little bit more Christian there. 

Hmm. 

There we go. 

Thank you. I was about to break into an our father. Oh, Hail Mary there. That was a bit. 

Yeah. 

Yeah, there's too much. I couldn't really time it. I'd never heard that piece of music before and. 

It's a bit much. 

Holy water. 

I thought I'll just go for it, alright? Sure. 

Would you like? Would you like to? Know what the people thought. 

Yes, please. And now it's time for thought for the day. 

The people that knocked it off knocked it the chicken from 1 to 5 stones. 

On Goodreads, yes. 

Rhonda 5 star. This book touched me so deeply. The visuals of God speaking to each person at the same time, but each hearing their own name was just breathtaking to me, especially to imagine that the reality when it comes will be even more fantastic than we can imagine. 

Are you kidding, Rhonda? 

I am thankful to have read this and was left with beautiful images of Christ, God's love for each of us. Just wonderful. 

Oh well, I guess it's post apocalyptic, isn't it? So it's like the apocalypse just happened and it's just and all that's left is the promised land. 

The. Yeah. 

I think Jesus rode in on a horse. 

Did he really? 

Maybe he came. And. That. It was in a cloud or something. Maybe I'm thinking of that monkey magic show. Yeah. 

And then he wrote. I think you're thinking monkey magic. Yeah, I think he. And then he pulled some a hair out of his. 

OK. 

Chest and went. And then flew off on a cloud. Jeannie Walker, who's an. 

Yes, it's good. 

Author. I know people have started putting their job descriptions in their reviews, which I love. So Jeannie is an author. 

That's what they do for a living. 

So we've this is gonna be like a legit review. This has credibility because she's she's an author. 

She's the industry person. She gave it five stars. She goes. This is one of the most powerful books my husband and I have read. We took turns reading it. And reading it aloud to each other, we laughed, we cried and we were awed by the writing. 

Hey, honey, you read chapter one and I'll read chapter 2. 

And then all rage checked. Ohh really? They took turns reading it to each other, or they'd read a Chapter 8. 

That's what they said, reading it aloud to each other. That sounds like English class. That's so stressful. You don't like an English class when they'd go. OK, everyone, we're going. 

Oh yes, sorry. 

To go around the. Room and we're going to read the book out loud and you each read a. Paragraph and you like count the number of people before you, so you work out which one your paragraph is, and you read through to make sure. 

Yes. 

You know all. The words, yeah, that's stressful. 

I should do that. I should read through before I do the trailers for these things. Anyway, there's a lot of pressure there when it comes to being the voice of God in Jesus. 

So they're in Alison. They're reading it aloud. To each other. 

Like what? What do you do? 

I think it was Jeannie or her. Husband, who was who, who got to be Jesus. 

The devil. 

Jesus, like bang on like a Morgan Freeman impersonation or something. I mean, I don't know. Umm. 

I don't know. 

Well, they laughed and they cried and they were awed. Yes, Kaylee also gave it five stars. I bought this ebook at 50% off from here and she dropped a link in there. To Amazon? Ohh. You're interested in the Christian post apocalyptic fiction. Amazon's where you wanna go 50% off. 

Look gum. 

Just just to. 

Just to add a bit of shade to the light here, the light crystal style light gave it one star. When you imagine reading a fiction novel, do you dream of reading verses taken straight from the New Testament? Do you like seeing? 

Oh Oh dear. 

Characters stretched to unholy, unbelievable, and cartoonish extents. Do you like your heroes to be shielded from all harm and for there to be absolutely no tension in a big final battle? Do you like romance thrown in awkwardly making Anakin and Padme's romance from attack of the clones look sexy? Do you like reading repetitive lines upon lines that repeat the same thing over and over again? In a repetitive fashion, then this book is for you. There are a billion things I would rather do than read this book or series again, such as eat nails, listen to the mother's song from Earth's children. Read another Anita Blake book, sit in traffic for two hours. Have Constipation for three days? Do you rise at the? End of that. Have my foot run over by a Stampede of elephants. Get my tongue pierced. Have a colonoscopy of. That's very important. I don't think you should make light of that. Have it too fixed. Tracked. Have all my teeth extracted. Watch, paint dry. Walk around with sand in my underwear. That would happen to Jesus a lot out. 

Ohh. 

In the desert, I reckon. Walk around for an hour trying to find a bathroom when I really need to go. 

I just like. 

The the time spent so sitting in traffic is 2 hours, yet Constipation is 3 days. 

Yeah. 

And then an hour busting to go to the toilet. It's like, how do you work out the the time span for each of these things you'd rather do? 

I don't know, but I guess it's proportionate to the amount of agony that they experience for each thing. 

So many questions, Crystal Starlight one star. We have a doctor in the House, doctor Jackson. 

Yes. Well, see, he's into science. He deals with. Facts you know. 

Doctor Jackson David Reynolds, MD one star. 

He's, I reckon he's he's into evolution like he's not a creationist. Right, yeah. 

An anaemic denouement to a mediocre series denouement is that how we say it? Yeah. Do you think you just got some blood test results and accidentally typed that into Goodreads? Maybe. 

Ohh geez. 

An anaemic denouement to mediocre, he should be an author. That's that's poetic, isn't it? Thank you, doctor. 

Yes. Look, I'm sorry you're suffering from a knee mic denouement. 

Thank you, doctor. Reynolds, MD, OnStar and JB Simmons, who is also an author. 

Hmm. 

Really. 

And also much like who was it Jeannie Walker? 

By that other chick, Jeannie. Jeannie Walker? Yeah. 

JB Simmons, author, One star. Jesus was stiff and unpleasant. 

Well. 

Ohh, we've all been there. I've felt stiff and unpleasant Manning an occasion. 

Stephen, is that something you'd rather do than read? 

You know. 

The book that. Should being stiff and unpleasant beyond Crystal's list. 

Look on. Anyway, it's hatches, matches and dispatches time. Let's do this. 

I don't know. 

Like. 

A celebrity is having a birthday and I think it's about 47 years old. On the 23rd of April that said this. 

I am not officially done. I'm close bud. 

If you said. He said John Cena. You would be correct. 

You also accept. 

I I I can't see him. He's the subject of so many memes. You know, the whole you can't see me. Thing has been something that he's had to carry throughout his entire career as an American professional wrestler, actor and former rapper. 

It is a good. 

1. 

So he's no longer a rapper, is that? 

He doesn't. He doesn't so much rap. 

Soul maretha. 

Now he kind. 

Of went on to be more into the whole patriotism thing, like his career through the WWE. He's a bit lost at the start and then he rap battled. At a party or something and I'm like you should do that. And then he started doing the whole rap thing and became, like, the Doctor of Thuganomics. 

So was the rap battle part of his character as a wrestler, or was this as like a side hustle or he's like, I'm just gonna be a rapper. 

Yeah, no, no, completely completely. Part of his. He's a bodybuilder. Before he became a wrestler, he's he's never a rapper. But he just kind of had a little bit of a knack for it. 

New dead man in and we are about to make you famous, taking over Earth and still kicking in Uranus. Word life dissipates. The thuganomics dissipate, tracing thuganomics word. Like. I'm untouchable, but I'm forcing you to feel me word like this. The face. 

Yeah, kicking in your ****. 

That's why, as a former rapper, I can understand now. 

Yeah, the the doctor of Thuganomics. But it was all sort of within the realm of. Yes, yes. So he's he was signed to WWE back in 2001. He's been performing part time since 2018, but he's he was the poster boy for a long time, 16 time world champion in the WWE. 

Rot. The spear is wrestling. It was even thought. 

No. 

He was. He was the one that kind of carried everything through that post attitude era. You know, he kind of made and. And it was funny because he was. He came in during that attitude era. So a lot of the stuff that he said when he was rapping was not the most PC stuff as that character. But then he became a lot more wholesome. 

I think like you said, he started. As a bodybuilder, he moved to California in 1998, but then switched to professional. 

Hmm. 

Wrestling in 99. Then and then debuted with Ultimate Pro Wrestling and a couple of years later signed with. Well, it was WWF. 

Yeah. So I actually came to WWE what you wanna call it pretty quickly. It's hard to work pretty hard to build a lot of respect in the locker room with a lot. Of guys that. Have been there for a while and he ended up on the smack down roster in 2000 and. Too, and he was doing that whole trash talking wrapper thing. But after he won the championship in 2005, he kind of went into that more clean cut, heroic John Cena character that you see nowadays, which is the Goody 2 shoes, Superman supporting the troops and all that sort of stuff. And he was really the face of the company for, like, over a decade. 

Kind of took over after the rock and stone cold. Didn't me sort of became like a. 

Yeah, that's right. That's right. And he's he's a. 

Many guys. 

He great guy. Like, if you have a look at some of the stuff that he does for like make a wish and the things that he does for charity and kids and and he's just he's always held himself pretty well. I think that early character that he did probably has dated quite badly and he probably cringes a bit at some of that footage that he sees of him battle rapping people and. Making homophobic slurs and doing things like that. But I mean that it was a. One time, but like he, he's transitioned to acting too has been great. 

What was he in that he watched? 

TV show. So he was in Suicide Squad, one of my favourite roles of his is in that TV series, Peacemaker, which was this really off the Wall comic book superhero series from DC that shouldn't have been anything and ended up being fantastic using some of the fast and furious movies and stuff as well. But really like peacemaker. 

Yeah, that's alright. 

Was great and he really committed to that as well. Like he's he's definitely working very hard to try and crack Hollywood and I wouldn't say that he. Of the same calibre as like the rock. But I wouldn't say that the rock makes good movies anyway. Do you know what I mean? Dave Batista is another wrestler that's kind of cracked into Hollywood, but he's trying to be taken more seriously with more serious roles. Like he's in that M Night Shyamalan movie, which was pretty great. But then he was in that sax, not a zombie movie, which was terrible. But John Cena is now. 

Hmm. 

Obviously getting to the stage where he's at the end of his career and he still wants to go out on a high and he was actually on Logan Paul's podcast talking about. But how long he's got left? 

I am not officially done. I'm close bud, especially seeing you out there doing incredible stuff. You know that moment in the sunset when it starts to go down, man, it's going. Down real fast. 

Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

That's kind of where I'm at. I love it and I still feel fluent. And I would like to say goodbye when I still feel fluent. I always want to be involved in the business and it's something that I love and and I think I have a few pieces of wisdom that need to be passed on and I don't think they should die with me, so I'll try to do that the best I can. 

Yeah, he's a pretty cool guy. I I like John Cena. I just think, you know, he's he with all again with all the controversy that goes on. Behind the scenes in wrestling and and a lot of the stories that you're hearing now about Vince McMahon and stuff like that, I really hope that he is the good guy behind the scenes that he seems to be. When you see him on camera doing the thing and being the face of either the company or whatever movie he's trying to sell, he just seems like a pretty good dude. He's 47 and he's still in pretty good shape, although he's copping a bit of a hard time at the moment because the the male pattern baldness is starting to to so there's lots of photos on the Internet. They'll show with close ups to the back of his head. He's got the Devon. 

Hmm. 

Happening and I just, I just think that's cruel. 

Oh. 

That's me. 

Because that dude could. 

Break you in half and you wouldn't even see him. Anyway, that's it. You can't see John Cena, but you might be able to see us on the socials during the week. That is the end of the show. You can find us on Facebook, Instagram, tick tock. You just search for T -. 20 podcast. Thank you very much for listening. As always. We appreciate you so much. We really. Do we do? We really do what's happening next week. 

Mel, the controversy with the. Abu Ghraib prison. 

Oh God. 

Can you believe that's 20 years ago? 

Yes. 

Yeah. Well, that's that's going to kick things off with a really positive start that's going to be a good show. 

Now. More testimonies at the 9/11 Commission, including. George W Bush. 

Ohh, the hits keep coming. Wonderful. 

Ohh, we have a sheep story. Do you remember Shrek? The Marino sheep? Without giving away too many details? 

Ohh good. 

I I yes, I do. 

Yes, but an animal animal story Beyoncé's back in the charts, we're going to chat D12 and a really big movie release Mean Girls 20 years old. Can you believe that? 

Ohh. 

Ohh Wow, does it still stand up? We'll find out next week. Thanks very much. See you. Then see you. 

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