Killdozer: the 2004 Colorado bulldozer rampage

👑 Let's kick off with a tiara toss back to when Jennifer Hawkins conquered the (Miss) universe. Our Aussie queen strutted into a spotlight that catapulted her far beyond the pageant stage. Join us as we sashay through the sequins and into the savvy career moves that followed her crowning glory.

🚜 Over in Colorado, Marvin Heemeyer’s bulldozing bonanza, aka the "Killdozer" rampage, took DIY demolition to a dark new level. When local politics pushed him over the edge, he pushed back with a fortified bulldozer. We’re digging into the dirt of this destructive day that turned a zoning squabble into a full-blown action movie plot.

📺 Playschool stirred up a bit of a storm down under with an episode that dared to depict diversity, featuring a family with two mums. We're peeling back the curtain on the controversy it sparked and the conversations it continues to inspire.

🎸 Cranking up the volume, let’s talk about the dissonant chords that finally broke Creed apart. Yes, the band that gave us arms wide open suddenly couldn’t stand the sight of each other. We're dissecting the drama that led to the split and the aftermath that saw members scrambling to new musical ventures. 

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• 0:26 show opener
• 6:50 news
• 27:54 music
• 45:00 movies and tv
• 1:03:50 hatches, matches and dispatches
• 1:08:31 show closer

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The year is 2004. Your polyphonic ringtone habit is sending you, bro. George W Bush is sworn in for a second term, and in spite of everything going on, the most controversial thing is a wardrobe malfunction at the Super Bowl. T -, 20 rewind 20 years with Joe and Mel. 

30 May 2000. 

T -, 20, the rest is history 20 hello there. 

You know what? I'm. 

Very forgetful. 

Stop trying to make fetch happen. 

What are we waiting for? 

This is harder than I thought it. 

Would be. Let's roll. 

My fellow Americans. 

It's that time of the week where we take you back on our little escape pod to a time 20 years in the past. 

Just. 

To gleefully eviscerate and celebrate all things that happened 20 years ago, some would say it's a better time. What we've discovered overtime is it's just a time with your host, Joe and Mel. It is the podcast we like to call t -, 20. 

Hello, Mel. And what a time eviscerate. I like that. That was nice. 

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There was some. But there were also giggles, so eviscerate and celebrate. It's important you have to celebrate what you eviscerate. 

Yes. 

Yeah. 

We're eviscerating and celebrating the 30th of May through to the 5th of June 2004 this. 

Week. 

A bulldozer? Hardly. This thing looked more like a. Tank. 

Something is taking place in Granby. 

He was kept on backing in and out of different companies, houses, you name it, he. Was hitting them. 

Westin off have the misfortune of getting caught right in front of it. 

Getting caught right in front of it. That story is extraordinary. 

I can't believe I didn't know about it until. 

Now, yeah, I think I believe there was a band that ended up taking their name from. 

And and a movie. Well, a documentary based on real. 

It. 

Events, yes, yeah. 

An absolutely fascinating story from a man who started out as a villain, but I believe now is celebrated as a bit more of. A hero? Really, yes. 

I must say I think if I'd been watching it with my kids, I would have been. A bit shocked. 

That's about play school. Somebody got shocked, Tony, that was Tony Abbott, former Prime Minister Tony Abbott being shocked by play school. Ohh play school. Yes, he was wowser ING at play school. A very interesting event happened on play school that caused Tony Abbott to be shocked this time 20 years ago. 

It was wowser ring at place going. That's interesting. 

Can you take me? 

Hi. 

Ohh, I reckon Tony should have just gone. Listen to his. Creed records I. 

And set it down. 

I feel like Tony would have been a. Creed listener perhaps? 

I think so. Yeah. I never liked, craves. I actually liked Creed less than Nickelback. 

Really. Ohh. Well yes. I feel like Creed paved the way for Nickelback. 

But we do have some previews. 

Yes, unfortunately, or fortunately, I don't know. Creed have made a massive comeback in 2023 and 24. 

They and there was no denying how. Big they were in the early 2000s. 

They were huge and. 

A lot of people secretly liked. Very secretly, so much so that they charted and did exceptionally well. Anyway, that's all that's happening and more this week on the. 

Really. Podcast now I'd like to share Instagram of the week, if I may please. Yes, I read this Instagram. Well, it's. 

An Instagram of the week. Ohh so it's not you know cause you can. Well we can't share photo on the podcast so. 

No. Yeah. So probably started out as a tweet and then someone posted it as an Instagram and then maybe it ended up as a thread. Who knows it's words, not pictures. So I can just read. 

It's a quote, right? OK. 

Yeah. 

OK. Yep. Speak your words. 

It out. And I felt very sad. My son saw me putting on concealer under my eyes and said, why are you doing that? I said there makes me look a bit younger and more awake, he said. But inside you're old and tired and I said yeah, and he said tricky admiration, feel same inside. I'm old and tired. 

You feel same? Yeah. Well, you know a little bit. 

Pinky maybe a little bit outraged. 

I was reading on Psychology Today last week. 

Why were you? Why were you on Psychology Today? 

Last I know, I was just. 

Do you go to for breaking news? 

Yeah, just wanted to find out what was wrong with me. And it was. It's interesting. 

And and what was psychology? Today's answer. 

The podcast that rewinds back 20 years ago and reads Psychology Today last week. Keep up. He was saying that on average, people feel about 11% younger than their actual age. Really. Yes. Yes, there was some study done by somebody that was published in Psychology Today that I read last week. And I believe the article is from quite some time ago as well. So 11% younger than there actually, so. 

That's right. 

Well, and particularly with women, more so with women than men. But a 45 year old usually feels like they're about 40, and women feel that more. In men. But there are other factors that increase the gap between your felt age and your actual age, so being smarter, being more educated can make you feel younger. 

Right. 

Yeah, being more healthy, of course, would make you feel younger, but at the opposite end of the spectrum, if you're lonely. 

Hmm. 

You feel older? Really. Yes. 

Do you think though maybe you just feel younger because you stopped counting at a certain point? I know I have. It takes me a while to figure out how old I am when someone asks. Really. Yeah. 

Really. I. Yeah. I can't. I do kind of forget as well. Like, I was like, I've done that. I've had. I've had the moment where it's. 

Always. Forget and I always think I'm. Younger than what I actually AM. And I do the maths. 

Might 47 or 48 this year? Yeah, but the lonely thing is interesting. I think that I think that this will aid you, really. 

Yeah. 

Quickly. 

Me. 

I feel about 52 now. Let's do it again. 

Can you? 

68 Who am I? Creed Creed will cause premature ageing. It really will. 

Where am I, Davis? 

One thing that will bring us back from the brink of that, hopefully is the hatches, matches and dispatches clue. At the very least, it'll keep you listening to the end of the podcast. This is this is a little clue that we play, that we look forward to the segment. You can have a guess you can play at home. We'll reveal it at the end of the show. It's a celebrity that was dispatched this week, a celebrity that passed away. 

Well, that's the idea. 

You said this. 

I will not make age an issue of this campaign. I am not going to exploit. For political purposes, my opponents youth and inexperience. 

He's got jerks. He's got jerks. 

Because inside I'm old and tired. 

Can you make me tired? 

In the news, we'll start with the 1st of June 2004. Jennifer Hawkins wins Miss Universe. Yes, our Jen. She impressed the judges with her poise, beauty and intelligence. This one was held in Ecuador and it was only the second time that an Australian had won the Miss Universe. 

Our Jen Jennifer Hawkins. 

Around the first being Kerry Anne Wells back in 1970. 

Hmm. 

Three. 

Yeah, that's a long time between drinks. Did she celebrate with her? Chewy. That's what all the other Australians do at the moment. It's so cringe. 

Yes. I don't think we were doing. I don't think we were doing series at that point in time, yeah. 

Thank God for that. Honestly, not a fan of the shoe and Jen Hawkins strikes me. 

I don't like that either. 

Someone that would show a little bit more class. She performed very well in the question round. 

OK, next, Australia. Australia reach in hand a question to me. Ozzy, Ozzy Ozzy III. Alright, this is from Amelia Vega, Miss Universe 2003. If you could choose what time period to be born and what sex to be, what would you choose and why? 

I'd have to say that this time period because we have as much freedom as we want and I I choose the sex of female because females have a lot of say in today's society. So I'd say this century, this today. 

Thank you, Australia. 

Thank you Australia. So. 

Look. 

We weren't doing shoes, but we were Aussie, Aussie, Aussie. Oh. 

Well, we weren't the host word. That was very creeps. The host of terrible. 

Well, he did. 

It but yeah. 

Look, I feel like maybe the Miss Universe pageant hasn't aged well. 

Either. What do you think of Jen? 'S answer I think she took the easy way. Out, to be honest. 

Look, I did too, but I think she was kind of put on the spot. She did some other answers. I don't think it was a. 

There's a dumb question. 

Great question either. 

Do they do the other Miss universes? Put the questions in. Are they the ones that choose the questions? 

I I don't know like. 

I reckon they are, and they're just trying to trip each other up. Because that's a dumb question. 

Maybe. I mean, they did have a few questions. So you go into the interview round. And they pull questions out of a hat, and they get sent questions from other Miss Universe contestants, I believe, is that I think that's how. 

It works, so it is a yeah. So I feel like they're just trying to. Trick each other and. Make them look bad with the questions. 

Really. Well, that wasn't a hard question. I don't think it's just it's just mediocre. Yeah, well, you know, I'd like to be alive now and ohh. I know. I'd like to go back to perhaps when the plague was happening. That'd be a good time. I'd like to go back to when the plague was happening. 

I just. It was a bit silly. What? What else would you say? That seemed like a hoop, yes. 

And maybe be a man. Cause Emma, I'd like to go back to the time of World War Two and be a man and be sent off to battle and where I'd be no doubt and meet my imminent death and cause all kinds of grief for the rest of my. I mean, it is a stupid question, really. Anyway, the travel question she said she was asked what place she'd like to visit and why. And she said she and and I just turned into Sean Connery for a second and she showed she said she'd like to visit Africa because it's rich culture and wildlife. That's. 

That's a pretty. 

Good answer, yeah. 

Yeah, like that outside. 

Yeah, again, I mean, it's all pretty. Miller. And then I think they what else they do? National costume? Yeah. 

They do a costume. Yeah, national costume. So she wore an outfit inspired by Australian beach culture, a bikini top and a sarong embodying the quintessential image of Australia's famous beaches and relaxed outdoor lifestyle. It was designed to to highlight the vibrant coastal environment. 

Good. Vibrant coastal environments. 

I'm disappointed they. Don't do a talent. There was no talent. 

She didn't do like, what's your party trick? Yeah. 

This Australian. 

I would like. To see a talent segment brought back. 

Yeah, she's like, I can turn my eyelids inside out. 

Yeah, I can curl my tongue or bend my thumb back to my wrist or yeah. 

You know. Yeah. Yeah. Awesome. Yeah, I could fight the national anthem, things like that. So then there was, of course, obviously, we understand what happened. Spoiler alert. She won. 

Great. Great. 

OK, if for any reason the new Miss Universe cannot fulfil her duties, the first runner up will take over ladies. Best of luck to. 

You good luck. OK, here we go. The first runner up is USA. 

The winner. 2004 Australia. 

Congratulations, ladies and gentlemen. The new Miss Universe. 

Yay. 

What an exciting year. How Mary became a Princess and then we won the Miss Universe. We had it. We had such a big year. Yes, we did. It was a joint effort. 

Yep, we won the miss you. We won. We won. Australia won the Miss Universe pageant. Well, then, Jennifer Hawkins did Mel. Tell us what she won. 

Ohh, she won a crown and sash. Yes, symbolising her title. Obviously the cash prize, which they didn't disclose exactly how much she won at the time, but it's usually anywhere between 100 and 250,000. 

Right, right. 

She gets a luxury apartment in New York for the duration of her reign, so that's obviously a year and coverage of the living expenses while she's living there. Extensive travel opportunities worldwide to fulfil her duties as Miss Universe, including appearances, charity events and media engagements, various endorsement deals and modelling. 

Hmm. 

Excellent. 

Opportunities. That's a good package to win, hmm. 

Yeah, it's a great package to win the Miss Universe pageant. She and she got work out of it afterwards, too, when she became very famous and we were exceptionally proud at the time, I remember. And she was beautiful as they, you know, as they are. 

And I think, but I I think a lot. Of it had to do with. She was such a nice person. 

Yes, some Newcastle. She was from New England, wasn't she? Yeah. 

She was slow down to Earth from Newcastle, slow down to Earth and just a genuinely nice person she did, which is the face of mine, wasn't she for a long time and she also hosted the great outdoors. Now I worked at the network that had the great outdoors and so people I knew. 

Yes. Yeah. Did you meet her? Ohh. 

I didn't meet. Her. But people who I worked with. Knew people that worked on the great outdoors, so cameraman, producers, directors and they were always. 

Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

Like Oh yeah. You get to work with Miss Universe. How's that? And they're. Like I can't talk about it like. That she's she is. Legitimately the nicest, kindest, loveliest person to be around, so you just you can't. Even you. No, don't go there. And they were like, defending her honour and just spoke about what a kind. And lovely down to. Earth person she was, which I think. 

Yeah. See that you can't objectify her because she's too nice. Isn't that? That's such an early 2000s, late 90s, male attitude to have, isn't it, that well? Hmm. 

It's just wonderful. 

No. Yeah, exactly. Leave our journal alone and then obviously the big wardrobe malfunction happened a few months later. 

That's right. 

Isn't it? 

And again she. 

Just handled it beautifully. That was. When was she? In a a fashion parade or something? 

She was on a yeah. She was on a modelling catwalk. 

And did she tread on? The skirt and it OK, yes. 

Got caught on her heel and it was an elastic waist. It was either a skirt or a sarong and it got caught on her heel, so it just fell right down and I think she was just wearing a G string. 

Yeah. Then you saw a bum, but. Yes, it was spectacular. 

But then she quickly put her hands over her **** and ran off, but she just the way she handled that, she came back out and had a laugh. About. It and just lovely. I like her so much. 

Hmm. 

Hmm, yes, I I I think she's pretty fabulous as well. I do question the, you know, it's like when America. Call themselves world champions of a sport that they only play like the Super Bowl as the world champion Miss Universe. Now, given what we know now about UFO's and you know, Area 51 and things like that, I mean are we kind of putting ourselves out there for, you know? 

Yes. 

No. Do we need to allow entrance from other planets potentially? 

Exactly. Yes. You know, I mean. Ohh and look at the tentacles on that. Oh wow. Yes. 

You'd get some good talent. See, bring the talents back. 

Talents. Let's say talents or talents. 

Probably. 

Buy talents. Yeah, so they can. They can insert an annual probe with their mind from across the room. That's a fantastic talent. Great party trick. Excellent. Yes. I can actually spew forth an acidic substance onto my victim and then suck them up like a fly. Or I can lay an egg. 

That's a good life too. Yep. Yep. 

That will then put a face hugger on someone that will gestate an egg inside a living human host and then burst forth from its. Yes. Sorry I got into too much of alien in there. Sorry. Anyway. Yeah. Isn't she a look at that alien queen? Yeah. 

Yes. There's lots of opportunities, lots of opportunities. Do we think though these days Miss Universe is no longer relevant? Is that is that is the whole beauty pageant and I know they go. Ohh, it's more than beauty. We asked them questions about where they when they'd like to live, but there's obviously certain looks and requirements and physique involved. And they are judged. 

Hmm. 

On their looks and how good they look in the swimsuits and the ball gowns and the hair and the makeup, have we moved on as a society, do we think this is still a thing? 

Yes. I think so. I mean the The thing is, is we probably have to ask if we've moved on. 

Right. 

As a universe. You know, that's look like Don, I mean it definitely hasn't dated. Well, Donald Trump bought the pageant in the 90s and he was in charge of it when Jennifer Hawkins one and I found this little nugget from, I think this was around 1999, just after he actually bought the Miss Universe. 

Uh. 

Yes. 

Legend and he was holding a press conference talking about the weight gain of one of the contestants, Alicia Machado, who I believe was the Miss Universe from the year before and had to obviously front up at the pageant and present the Crown cause. You know, they have to that. The passing of the torch or the Crown or the SEPTA or whatever. 

The hand over. Ground. Yes, yes. 

They do. 

And some people, when they have pressure, eat too much like me. But like Alicia and what she's going to do now is she's got one of the great trainers of the world and a very, very famous man in his own right. And he's been working with her for the last few days. And I think she's going to show up at that contest, actually being probably a little bit heavier than when she. 

I'm full. 

Wanted. 

Little heavy. 

But do you think that's actually better when she wanted, she weighed about. 118 lbs. I'm. 

Too light for her. 

Actually, from what I understand a little bit heavier, but I will say when she won the contest, I had never seen anybody more beautiful. And she's totally beautiful now, but I think come contest time. What are you talking about in terms of weight? 

We are. Our goal is to get her between 1:25 and 1:30. She will look 118 to you and to the camera 118. So we wanna give keep that soft, feminine. Look, we don't want to have these short bulgy muscles keep her away from the heavy weights. We want to be feminine and soft when she walks. 

My microphone. 

So. 

To hand over that crown, she is going to look her best. 

That is Christ. 

What? It's Jordan. And I think it's when you watch it, it's even more extraordinary because she's sitting there in between Trump and the personal trainer at this gym doing this press conference where they're discussing. 

She's. Ohh. Listen to the way they're dissecting her weight and her physique. That's just so. 

Yes. 

Wrong. So that hasn't dated very well and you could probably argue that the pageant in and of itself has not dated well at all. I mean, it's it's had a lot of controversy. 

No. 

Over the years. 

And there was stuff about the stress that it it put the contestants. The body image issues setting unrealistic beauty standards. For the rest of. Us as we watch on going ohh OK. 

Hmm. 

Ohh do you? 

Yeah. 

And the undue emphasis on physical appearance, although the organisers of Miss Universe have said, you know, we've, we've, we've strived towards inclusivity and modernity. I think they included transgender contestants. Recently. They removed age and marital status restrictions as well, with some of the significant changes. But as far as ratings go, I think it's been declining a lot over the last five to 10 years. I I I feel like we have moved on. 

Right. Yeah. I mean it's like it's like the the. It's like the Victoria's Secret thing and and all of that stuff, it's just kind of stuck in the early 2000s where it probably belongs, I mean. 

Yes. Yes, yes. 

There is a another side to it I think. Where we as a society now almost do the opposite where we hate on people who have done the work and do look great as well. And it's just like can we just let people be and celebrate them for who they are. And Jennifer Hawkins. 

Yeah. Hmm. 

I think was an example of somebody who was great to be celebrated for who they were. Ah, she's not dead. I I don't think she's still around. So not who they were, but who they are. 

She was a great ambassador. A great ambassador for Australia and just a really yeah, just a really. 

Yes indeed. 

Nice person, and I think to these. These people use their own platforms to do that sort of thing as well. So rather than having the big. Pageants and things like that people can kind of do the same sort of thing through their social media channels, and it's a little bit different too. 

I would, I would argue that that's probably more gross. In a lot of ways, in a lot of ways, you know, I mean, we talk about how shallow something like that. And then you look at how some of these people put themselves out there as influencers on social media. It doesn't get much more shallow than that, you know, let's move on to a absolutely fascinating news story that happened on the 4th of June. This guy, Marvin Hammier, goes on a rampage with a bulldozer in the town of Granby. 

Oh yes. 

Colorado. 

Hey for just. 

Joining us, it's now 5:00. This is news four at 5. This story has been developing since about 3:00. This is file tape of a man who's got into. Some bulldozer that he's made into a makeshift, armoured covered bulldozer and he's damaged or destroyed half a dozen buildings in Granby, a town of about 1500 about 50 miles West of Denver and Grand County. So far, we're hearing no one's been injured, but that has not been confirmed. 

It's this is a fascinating story. I think it was Marvin Heemeyer, not heemeyer, but he he's the incident is known as the Killdozer incident, and he uses a modified bulldozer to demolish a whole bunch of buildings in the town. 

Marvin was a skilled welder and he was also an automobile muffler repair shop owner in the town and had had a long standing dispute with the local government and other community members over zoning issues and fines related to his shop. He felt that the Town council's decisions were unfair and targeted. And personally, he had many grudges, many strongly worded letters towards town officials, neighbours of the his muffler shop, the local press and just general run of the mill citizens. So he decided, oh, for about a year and 1/2 he would modify a. Komatsu D-355-A or 355-A bulldozer, he fortified it with layers of steel and concrete because he was a skilled welder and he basically turned it into a bulldozer with armour which covered the cabin and the engine and the tracks. 

Yes, it's. Yes. 

I think there was explosives. There was visible for visibility. He fitted it with. Cameras linked to two monitors mounted on. The vehicles dashboard. And the the cameras were protected with bulletproof Lexan. There was compressed air nozzles fitted to blow dust away from the video camera. It was very high tech. 

Yes. It was. It was phenomenal and it it just reminds me of something out of the A-Team. So I picture him driving along with. 

Lot of thoughts. 

This. Just going around from business to business that he held a grudge with Bulldog. 

Yes. 

Missing them, just running them all over, demolishing them and creating terror and mayhem wherever he went. And there was nothing that they could do because he did this secret project where he built this armour plated bulldozer and he this is a man not only with a grudge. This is a man with a plan. And let me tell you what a plan it. Was and this is where I think a lot of people were like, you know. Yeah, he was a villain at the time, but some people saw him as a local hero because he stood up to the local council and why, geez, did he stand up to the local council? Unfortunately, it didn't end very well for him. So 4th of June. 

Hmm. 

He gets the killdozer, he demolishes all these buildings. He takes out the town hall. He takes out the former mayor's house. Ohh. He takes out the local newspaper offices. And then these other properties that he has grievances with. He just goes quite literally to town. 

Straight to. Top. He ends up at the concrete plant. He's obviously got a problem with the person that owns that and when he got there, several people attempted to stop the bulldozer because people getting worried by this stage because it just kept going, so they crammed objects into the tread to try and jam. 

Well. 

It's. 

And stop it. Yes. Well, they also put about 200 rounds of ammunition into it. The police were firing on it to no effect as well, because he'd done such a good job making the armour for it. There was one person who I think thought it was under remote control. Hmm. Fired a pistol at it, tried to climb on top of it and then tried to use his own front end loader. 

But that didn't work. 

To crack to. Sort of knock it off course. 

Also kind of like those robot wars but in. 

Yes, exactly. But unfortunately you know the front end loader came off second best cause it wasn't fortified with steel plating and concrete like the killdozer. 

Yes, there was a reverse 911 call to all residents to order evacuations. Then I think the sheriff climbed on top of it as well and he says he rode it like a Bronco Buster. That was a quote. And he was trying to figure out a way to get a bullet inside the dragon. Also, a quote he dropped. 

Right, yeah. 

A flash bang grenade down the exhaust pipe of the bulldozer with no effect, and then had to fall. He had to jump off because there was debris. Dangerous. 

Yes, he could. He was gonna get killed. They just couldn't do anything. They couldn't damage it. So they resorted to running alongside it on mass. That's all they could do. Just running down the street with it while it was demolishing stuff. I think. Then he went and fired upon the local power station, which was. 

Yes, just jogging along next to. It. 

Probably not a great or very safe idea, so he took out the electricity. Then he attacked the Gamble store and he was targeting that due to the owner of the Gamble Store involved in hearings about the batch plant, which was affecting his business. And then he wasn't aware of the basement that was on that property. So he drove in and he actually dropped one of the treads. Of the bulldozer into the basement. And that damaged the radiator and then made the engine of the thing leak. And then it basically failed. He stopped. He was stopped there in his tracks so to. Speak. 

A bulldozer? Hardly. This thing looked more like a tank. 

Something is taking place in Granby. 

He was kept on backing in and out of different companies, houses, you name it, he was. 

Hitting them, W Tenoff had the misfortune of getting caught right. 

In front of it, it was one of the most high tech things I've ever seen. I wasn't expecting to see pretty much a tank driving down the streets of Granby. 

One by one, the buildings. 

Came down the electric Co-op building the town hall. 

Yeah. 

Sky High news. 

Levers, Mountain park, concrete, Maple Street builders Thompsons, excavating, gambles, hardware and the library inside town hall. 

He was not a happy camper. 

Town manager Tom Hale says the suspect, Marvin Heemeyer, was upset about the placement of a concrete batch plant next to his business. 

He was upset that batch plant was built next to his a muffler shop. 

But. 

No one expected this. 

Something like you'd. See on TV, you know it's hard. 

To believe. 

Eventually. He ended up with the hardware shop and what had once been unstoppable. 

They were doing what they could. They couldn't do nothing. 

It finally came to a stop. Somehow it got stuck. 

Two hours, 13 buildings, $7,000,000 worth of damage, but remarkably, nobody was killed except for Hemeyer who, when the bulldozer got stuck, decided to take his own life, which is quite tragic. 

Yeah. It drew significant media attention and has been the subject of documentaries and discussions regarding government overreach and personal grievances. A few years ago, a documentary called Tread The True story of Marvin Hemeyer was relief. 

Thread the true story of Marvin Hema. I mean, it's just it is like something out of a movie. 

It is such a crazy story. Isn't it? I can't believe I didn't know about this. It's and looking at the picture, it looks terrifying. Imagine that. Coming down the street towards you. 

Yeah. Oh, it's. It is this massive armour plated bulldozer. It must have weighed tonnes. It was just and it was a giant Wrecking Ball. 

It was. It was an utterly fascinating story about one man who was pushed too far. 

Hmm. 

Pushed to the edge and the fact that he was working on it for a year and a half and no one was suss, that makes me. 

Hmm. 

A bit concerned about tinkering down the roads. 

Ohh yeah, we've got. We've got a like in the street. That's yes, he has. And I don't know what he builds. He just grinds. Yeah. Yes. 

He's been angle grinding for years. And I think it's he. He will too. So. 

Over to music now, I believe that there was a band that took the name Killdozer as well. Just a fun fact. 

That's a good name for a. Band. 

Hmm. 

Kill dozer. Yeah, I'm pretty sure there was probably should have researched that, but as we've moved on anyway, we're in the music segment now, which is I guess bands are kind of relevant anyway. Music. Mel, what's happening? 

We'll start with the Australian chart #1 again this week, Black Betty spider baits. 

Hmm. Big hit for spider bait. They're actually. I've seen some stuff on the socials. Have been celebrating 20 years of Black Betty Spiderbait have. 

Are they still? 

Together, kind of. You know, I don't think they they they gig cram and Janet and whoever the other person was in the bed they they gig semi regularly these days. 

Maybe a reunion? Is Cramp's real name Mark? Possibly because I went through a phase where I used to call everyone. Their name? 

Backwards. You reckon that's what's happening? 

I had that phase and I wonder if. That's where cram came from. 

But never knew him well enough to ask him. 

It's probably not something you can ask someone till you've known them. Quite well for a while. 

Yeah, yeah. You don't want to get too familiar with your drummers and your. Bands. 

No over in the UK, Frankie is still going aim on right back. 

Trust me. 

Yeah. Well, guess what? What I did was. 

We knew someone called Troy and they were yacht. 

Right. 

Yeah, that was funny. You watched. 

That's hilarious, Lenny. 

My friend Claire was Eric. 

Yeah. 

Yes, I was lamb. 

Yeah. I'm. I'm your yuge. It's a good time. 

It's fun. It's fun phase. Yelled. Ohh don't have feel about it. Yuge. 

Well, well, it's you're not pronouncing it right. 

We'll leave it in the 90s. 

The judge. Not yoj yoj. 

Ohh, that's sorry, that's. So much better. 

Yeah, it's really disrespectful when you don't say my name properly backwards. 

You know my problem with pronunciations. 

Yes, you've had a show. Ohh, you've did pretty well actually this week. So yeah, carry on. 

Right, let's go to the US billboard. Here is the top five. 

Reason for me? 

The change you used to be. 

Two. 

I don't want to know. 

If you blame me, keep it on the. 

1/2. 

Too many days, so many hours. 

That is practically the same as last week's. Five, with a slight variation in that, I decided to put the ex Tetris version of Naughty Girl in. 

Remix. I think I prefer that Ray enjoyed the ex Tetris version as well, he said. His message. He said he very much enjoyed that usher burn is still number one. I don't want to know #2 naughty girl number three. Yeah, #4 and the reason #5. So we don't really have anything to talk about. They're all the same. 

Yeah. Maywood. 

Yeah. 

Yep. 

No. No, but let me tell you this, this next music news story. Really. When I read the headline. 

Discussed them before. 

It made me so happy and optimistic for the worst case scenario, so the headline on the show notes here says Creed dissolved. I'm like in a VAT. 

Of acid. That would be wonderful. 

At the Miss Universe contest, it was a talent. 

It's great. Dissolved, just like a little barocca just disappeared into nothing. 

Yes, I aimed it crazy. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know why. They phrased it that way. 3 dissolved. 

I love it, creed. 

They split up is what happens. They rose inches. 

Yes, they did. Formed in 1994, what a time the 90s were. Tallahassee and Florida though from they got they got famous with their debut album, My own Prison. They took us all there and put us all in it. It was terrible. In 1997 that came out. I think the follow up albums human clay. 

Was that the big one? 

Yeah, I think so. Yeah. And that was 99 and then weathered in 2001, very successful with hits like with arms wide open and then this one. 

I. That was the. Big one, I don't know. 

Can you take me? 

High. 

That was big. That was played so much on the radio. 

Yes. And then and then then my sacrifice was the other one as well. 

How? 

Does that go cause I keep getting Elton? John stuck in my head. 

How did it go? How did it? Go berserk burst. Attacker where do the work centre the tumbler? 

You smell looks like a marionette puppet. 

Murder birds. 

It's hard to see his. When he sings it like. 

I keep thinking of Elton John. No sacrifice. 

Ohh I was so repulsed by this band. I I've gotta say. And it's it. It is a shame the the musicians in the band quite good. They also got labelled as being a Christian band and I'm not entirely sure that that's accurate. I think we may have had a discussion about that previously. 

Ohh or was that life house? 

No, it was. They all sound the same. Let's face it, I mean. 

I think they're. All accused of being Christian band and maybe it was because of the success of Guy Sebastian winning idol. They want to jump on the Christian band Wagen. 

Yeah, sounds good. Hmm. Hmm. Well, the reason why they broke up was was it was not, was not divine. 

Why God? 

No. 

Should they dissolve? They just they they got exposed to water and they just melted away like the wicked witch. Of. 

Holy water. Why do they really break up? What happened? 

The West, yes. Well, they just didn't get on very well with the lead vocalist, Scott Stafford. They didn't like him. They didn't like him. He he was he, from what I hear, they said creative differences and personal decision led to growing. 

They always say created. 

Pension. It's got staff I think has been exposed as being a bit of a narcissist over time. Time he's a he's fallen foul of his family. They've spoken out against him in the press. He's he's had a bad run. He's had a lot of personal challenges, a lot of personal challenges with substance abuse and and health issues, which really did affect his performance and his relationship with the other musicians. So they did put out an official statement. 

I think he had substance. Abuse issues as well as robus, yeah. 

No. 

Oh, OK. 

Yes, they said it was a blue or blue fluid. They said it was a mutual. Vision and the band members needed to move in different directions, but what happened was is all the band members except for Scott moved in One Direction and then he moved in another direction. Yeah, so yeah. 

Ohh not separate directions. They kind of tricked. 

Yeah. So, Mark Tremonti, the guitar player, the fantastic guitar player, by the way Mark Tremonti, Brian Marshall and drummer Scott Phillips formed a new band called Alter Bridge, which had vocalist Myles Kennedy. In it now, Myles Kennedy is in that last scene of that Mark Wahlberg film rock star. When he passes the torch to the other guy. That's Myles Kennedy and and Myles Kennedy also sang with Slash, but he sang with Alter Bridge and he's a fantastic vocalist, so they released an album called One day remains in 2004. We'll probably hear a little bit more of that. 

Oh. 

Soon, but here's a bit of Alter Bridge. 

Let's stand up. 

He's he's a powerhouse. He's just a powerhouse vocalist, Myles Kennedy. I think it sounds very creedish the music. 

I like that better than creed. Sounds great issues. 

But it sounds like the singer doesn't have a mouth full of marbles, which is wonderful now. Scott Stapp, at the same time was like, well, screw you guys, I quit. I'm not fired. And I'm gonna release the solo album. He had one called the Great Divide, which he brought out in 2005, which sounds a bit like this. 

To live my life. 

Whatever, it's definitely. You can definitely hear like the difference, but it kind of is the same too, except for the fact that the quality of the musicianship behind him probably, I don't think would be. It would have been as good as what his former bear mates were. Now. This was wonderful. Creed were over. Everybody rejoiced. Everyone was happy. It was all good. And then somehow, somehow there became an appetite for creed again. And this is like one of those great mysteries of society where I feel really let down by. 

Hmm. 

They're like my goodness. 

Humanity, actually, and I was so happy that that they dissolved cause once something is dissolved, you can't reconstitute it. It's impossible. 

Maybe you could boil it and then you're leftover with the. Crystal, you know, like when you've boiled the salt, the salt water insides, you're left with the salt. 

Remnants, whatever you're leftover with. Still not the it's still not the complete picture. It's still it's it's creed no more. They've dissolved. You can't reconstitute them once they've dissolved. However, they managed to reconstitute and and in 2009 they got back together and they released a new album called Full Circle. And they did a tour and everything, and then they were kind of been active. 

OK. All right. 

But then they got back together again around 2023 and did some shows and recently I think they played on a cruise like they all do and everyone was. Like. 

Can you take me? 

And I'm just like, why the is this happening? 

Imagine being stuck on a boat with Creed. 

Yeah. 

Good Lord, I'd throw myself overboard. 

No. Take me back to shore. Take me back. 

Honestly, it's just terrible. That's creed. They came back, they they came back. And I wanna say from the ashes, but they. Dissolved. 

Swimming county. 

That rise like a phoenix from the ashes and be like. Once you dissolved, it's just not gonna happen. It's just the weirdest thing. Big music news and it kind of goes across the two weeks, but we'll do it in this week as the 5th and 6th of June at the end of the week, the big Download festival happens at Donnington Park in Leicestershire in England and Lincoln Park, and Metallica headlined the main stage. 

That's. 

That's enough. 

Other major acts as well, including Corn, Slipknot, Iggy Pop and The Stooges, also took to the stage. 

I I would have. I would love to go to a download festival, but then I look at because I think it's like it's some kind of race track. Donnington Park, right? 

Is this? 

Race track and then and I look at download and then I. 

Oh. 

It's always raining and muddy. 

Look at. Well, I don't. Think it's always raining, but well, maybe I do look at the weather and it's always quite overcast and I'm just thinking, hmm, you know, better pack a poncho and then and then you did not want to be with hundreds of thousands of people in the wet. It's you will dissolve. 

Madisonville balling. Sloshing. Yeah. 

Nah. Wear a single is. 

Like. 

Metallica set was particularly memorable because they let the fans choose their set list using online vote. Footing. They played a lot of hits, but also a few rarities, I think. Enter Sandman fuel, usual batteries. Sad but true, but also some tracks. They don't often perform live like blackened leper, Messiah and frantic. 

Yeah. So but Blackman did in, in full was interesting because they usually did that as part of a an injustice for all medley. And they hadn't. I leper Messiah was definitely one they hadn't done for a while. Then frantic was off Saint anger. And I think everyone tried to. Forget that album. But the most interesting thing about. Drummer was rushed to hospital for some kind of unexpected medical emergency, and so he couldn't play drums that night, which was quite wonderful, actually. Look, I, I mean, OK, Lars, cops a lot of for not being. 

Hmm. 

Ohh gosh. 

All that adept a drummer always has. And it's probably gotten worse as he's gotten older, so this one they had people filling in for him and they had some amazing drummers, they had Joey Jordison from Slipknot playing and this is creeping death like you would have never heard it before. It's just just phenomenal. Like it's creeping death. Sounds like Slipknot. And it just tightened up the performance. I'd seen Metallica around not quite at the Saint Angus stage, but the death magnetic stage we both went and saw them, remember, and they really phoned the gig in. 

Wow. 

Hmm. 

Was that when I caught? 

It was, yeah, yeah, you did. You caught a guitar pick and that was awesome. That's probably the best thing that happened all night. It was. They kind of phoned it in. It was a very lacklustre performance. When I hear Joey Jordison from Slipknot playing drums for them. 

The pick. I'm so proud. Of myself for that. That's good, yeah. 

The they sound so tight, so good, and you can see the whole concert online and they look like they are having the best time. And it's like, wow, there was there's rumours that that go around in the history of Metallica, about they're wanting to get rid of Lars. At one stage, you know, and whether or not they're true. 

Oh. 

I mean, I don't think that's fair. I don't think that's gonna happen these days anyway, like they've been through so much that they kind of just weather all of this comments and criticism and they don't, they just brush it off and they're just Metallica doing their thing. But I tell you what Dave Lombardo from Slayer. Playing drums for battery. My God. It's just out of control precise. 

So those guys got us, got the call up on the day because last got sick and they just jumped on me, yeah. 

Yeah. And I just told you, yeah. 

No worries. 

Well, they probably knew the songs cause like you know, but it's it's phenomenal. 

That's amazing. Yeah. But to be able to get on stage and just perform like that. 

I I actually think it was probably and I don't know, but I think it was like. Well, you know which songs do you wanna do and like they would have been like, well, I wanna do battery, but I wanna do, you know, and you know that drum kit, you know, every time Lasal Rick plays that drum kit. Now it's just gonna close its eyes. And remember the time that it was played by Dave Lombardo, Jerry Jones. 

Yeah. 

Remember. And. The festival started in 2003. We spoke about it on the podcast last year. It saw improvements in the organisation, better stage set ups, they they learned from their mistakes, better crowd management and enhanced. They enhance the overall festival experience. 

Yep. Yeah, they they tried to bring it to Australia like a a download festival. It was just one of those ones that was kind of I think it was short lived. We might see it come back again. Who knows? 

Didn't. 

Ah. Well, it's still running over there. It's on this year and it feels very 2004 to be honest, because the headline is the Queens of the Stone Age Fall Out Boy and Avenged Sevenfold. Still, I go. 

Yeah, yeah. It really does. 

Yeah, that's right. 

So I'd go, I'd go to that. That would be and wear your gum boots. Yeah, that would be pretty amazing. Although is download festival the best name for it now should be like the streaming festival or something. These days when we download music still. 

Of course, you'd. Pack a poncho. I don't know. I don't know. But I, you know. Yeah, no, we don't. We it's a streaming for the the Yes, the streaming service festival where musicians get paid 1 cent for every 1000 plays. I mean let's put creed up on the main stage. Let's play for rain and hope they dissolve. I mean it's it's, you know, we're only just getting to that sort of entertainment TV and movies. But I just feel like we've been entertained enough, but we'll press on nonetheless. We'll weather the storm and we'll keep going until we dissolve. 

Starting with the US box office, Shrek two is again number one this week. 

Yes. Now number one in Australia, I actually really enjoyed this man. I love a good disaster movie and this one was particularly well done. I thought this is the day after tomorrow. 

We found something extraordinary, extraordinary and disturbing that is. Recall what you said. Polar melting might disrupt the North Atlantic current, yes. How? Well, I think it's happening. 

We've hit some unusual turbulence we've encountered loud player that's normally high, please. 

All right. 

He's afraid of flying. 

Government has to start making long-term preparations now. 

Jack, all you have is a theory. 

Meteorologists with the launch to explain what? 

Is causing this weather. 

Are you getting it? 

Now what you see is happening now. 

Tokyo was battered by the largest hail storm on record. 

Expense. 

Weather experts yesterday, slamming it's snowing. 

Here in New Delhi. 

That's a tornado. Yes, a twister and just. 

Matt, he has live coverage. 

There is a. Ball of water coming towards New York, everybody. If we don't act now, it's going to. Be too late. 

Oh. 

I'm afraid that time has come and gone, my friend. 

What can we do? 

Save as many as you can. 

Hmm, this was a big, stupid popcorn film, this one. It was directed by Roland Emmerich, who's Done Independence Day. He's a German film director. He did. And like I said, he did Independence Day. He's done midway, which was one of the most terrible war movies ever. He did the Godzilla movie with Matthew Broderick in it. He did 2012 in 2009, and he did this absolutely dog movie called Moonfall, which was about the moon crashing into the Earth. He's just like he's. But you know what, like, they are absolutely ridiculous movies. The dialogue is always terrible, but it's it's just a big fat **** bucket of popcorn. 

Love's a disaster. 

On take your brain out and just watch the special effects and the stupidity into you and it really does. 

And there's always a family or the friends are always in different locations and they have to travel there to save them or or or reunite it always. 

Yeah. Yes. 

Happens in those movies, doesn't it? 

There's there's, there's definitely a formula. There's definitely a formula. So this one. There's a climatologist Jack Hall. I think this is like Dennis Quaid, largely ignored by the UN, presents all these environmental. 

Yes. 

Concerns. And then his research comes true, and this big Superstorm develops and sets off all of these natural disasters throughout the world. And he's trying to get to his son, Sam, who's played by Jake Gyllenhaal, Jake Gyllenhaal, trapped in New York with his friend Laura, and New Yorkers like frozen over and flooded and stuff. And they have to travel on foot from Philadelphia to New York to get to Sam. 

On some somewhere else. Nice. 

Before it's too late. 

Do you remember when New York had those severe floods? I think it was around 2014 and this was when I first got on the Twitter and I I liked using the Twitter for breaking news. 

Yes, yes. 

Where all the underground car parks. Filled up stuff, yes. 

Yeah, and I liked liked retweeting to to be like a source of knowledge. Yeah, I remember when that happened. People were tweeting photos, still shots from the movie this. 

From. To die. 

With the Statue of Liberty, with all this water splashing up against it and going, this is what's happening in New York, right? 

Yeah, yeah. 

The number of people that then had to send out another retraction tweet going ohh. Sorry. Oopsie. 

That was from the Roland Emmerich film the day after tomorrow. Wow. Yeah. Anyway, nobody nobody really liked it. 45% critics score and the low pass from the audience with a 50%. The critics were like it's a ludicrous popcorn thriller. Like I said, with clunky dialogue, like I said, and spectacular visuals that save it from being a total disaster. But I mean, heaven forbid, that a disaster movie is an actual disaster. Now another disaster. Maybe a public relations disaster? Maybe a disaster, particularly to the people and the right wing sort of side of things with play school had a bit of controversy happening this time 20 years ago when they aired an episode where there were two mothers in an actual segment and it was very controversial. They had this week. 

Where people were saying. 

Oh my goodness. 

Long series going that was representing diverse families like single parents and grandparents raising grandchildren and blended families. And then they had lesbians. 

The segment showed a child and her two mothers preparing to go to the park. It was a simple everyday activity. However, the episode sparked controversy and public debate right across Australia. 

There was one contemporary storyline that made national headlines in 2004 after showing two lesbian mothers. 

My mums are taking me and my phone marron to an amusement park. 

It prompted a political outcry from conservatives. 

I must say I think if I'd been watching it with my kids, I would have been. It shocked. 

Tony Abbott, what? Go and eat an onion mate. 

Ohh poor tiny. There were lots of lots of complaints. The episode was called through the window. The timing of the episode was interesting. This is just days after the federal government decided to change the Marriage Act to exclude gay couples and ban same sex couples from adopting children from overseas. 

Yeah. Wow, that's a. 

Yeah, similar to what was happening over in. The states with George. W wanted to change the terminology. Yeah, the then Minister for Children and youth affairs Larry Anthony criticised the ABC for using a children's platform to discuss such issues, stating it was not an appropriate topic for preschool aged children, and warned the ABC against becoming too politically correct. 

That ABC I tell you that we pay for them, we pay your wages ABC's, the Communications Minister Darrell Williams called the ABC managing director, Russell Balding. He's like Russell, I need to express my concern. 

Hmm. 

Because you've aired this segment with lesbian parents and he said that Mister Balding had to pass the complaint on to the board. You pass that complain on to the board and that highlighted and really polarised a whole bunch of views on LGBTQ. Plus T is it TI Q + T? I think it was TQ plus at the time. Maybe we're going TIQ plus anyway. Representation in the media. And I apologise if I didn't get that right. It's purely my ignorance at play there, especially in programming aimed at kids. They were just like we don't want our kids being exposed to that. 

Despite the controversy, though, many also defended the inclusiveness of the episode and the week long series. In fact, arguing that it provided a realistic representation of society and helped foster understanding and acceptance from a young age. That's right, that was just one one family amongst a range of different family. 

Yeah. Well, that that was one portion. Yes. 

Units as part of this week that was meant to reflect society at the time. 

And guess what, folks? That's just what happens. You know, we I remember, like a while ago. We went when we first were taking our son to a Catholic school and one of the kids there had two mums and I was like, ohh jeez, I wonder how the Catholics are gonna. 

Hmm. 

React to this. 

I was waiting for the questions to come. 

Yeah. But you know what? 

But you know what? There was no questions because kids just are like, yeah, sure. 

No. Whatever you got 2. That's awesome. 

Good on you. Yeah. There was no questions or anything like. That. Yeah, so yeah. 

The only people that give us old wowsers and politicians are sounds of it. 

The episode, though, is often cited in discussions about diversity in children's programming and the role of media and shaping societies. Attitudes towards different family dynamics. 

Yeah. Stick that in your windows and. Have a look at it. I mean, I actually think that the removal of the rocket clock was more controversial, if I'm being honest. 

They got rid of. 

It. Yeah, there's no rocket clock on play school. Anymore. I wasn't there. I didn't know this. Gone. 

Did it dissolve? 

Maybe. Anyway, while we're on the subject of kids television. Ohh I'm. I've got PTSD. I'm gonna. This is gonna really trigger me. 

I'm Peppa Pig. This is my little brother George. This is my big pig and this is daddy. 

Peppa Pig? My my baking consumption went up when our son was watching Peppa Pig at at full volume around the clock. I did that show. I mean, it's a great. I'm glad the kids like it, but my God, it's. It is so annoying, yeah. 

It is a bit obnoxious, isn't it? 31st of May 2004. I can't believe it's 20 years old. I didn't realise it came out that long ago, but I guess my window of Peppa Pig is probably, you know, like 2015 to. Say 2018. Yeah, yes. 

Ohh no right. Like it's like you don't. 

I'm glad we've moved past that window of Peppa Pig, to be honest. Yeah, it was the first episode called Muddy. Cuddles and it introduces Pepper, a a playful little pig, and her family. 

Pepper loves jumping in muddy puddles. 

I love muddy puddles. 

Peppa. 

If you jump in muddy puddles, you must wear your boots. Sorry, mummy. 

Do you know what I love? Bacon. 

I love bacon. 

Pepper became, or still is, a global phenomenon adored by preschool children and some. Families, the simple and relatable storytelling, combined with the animation and gentle humour has made it a bit of a staple in children's entertainment. 

I will say there there are some episodes on there that were quite amusing. Wasn't there one when they went to the soft play centre? 

On the soft play centre. And and the the mum's saying, you can stay if you like. And I'll go oh. No, no, that's fine. Yeah, yeah. 

All the mum, all the mums are dead to like. They're gone. Like they dropped the kids off at the soft play centre and leave because that and everyone knows. 

Because it's just a nightmare, no? 

It is hell on Earth. There was some relatability. There wasn't the the homework assigned school, the school project. That was actually quite funny, I think. 

One wants to go. To the same place, and it's always vomit. Project stop. 

Being a bit harsh with Peppa Pig, there were some storylines that I did enjoy but but I think too that's because I was just so beaten over the head and tired, cranky and old, yeah. 

There. Yes. I prefer because a lot of. The voice actors are in Ben. And Holly, I prefer. 

Yes, they are. 

That cartoon. Yeah, I thought I liked. 

Ben and Holly's magical Kingdom. Yeah, because I feel like that there was a little bit of LSD involved with Ben and Holly's magical Kingdom. If I'm being honest, I think actually with a lot of children's cartoons and children's. 

That one better. 

Well, look at pepper. 

Television. 

Pepper is an odd looking pig and the eyes are the eyes are just on one side. It's just odd. 

There's definitely. I feel like that the people that write like a lot of cartoons in kids shows are on drugs. 

The franchise has generated. Significant revenue including toys, books, clothing, theme parks, 2019 merchandise, had reportedly generated over $1 billion annually. It airs in over 180 countries and has been translated into multiple. 

Oh yeah. That's extraordinary. 

Languages. 

I'm glad. I'm glad that there's other people that are in. Yes, that don't speak English, that you're experiencing the same kind of pain that we have. I mean, they could have used like the Peppa Pig theme in Abu grape. 

Right across the world, you'd have to suffer. 

To torture prisoners. They could have. Have you actually? Have you seen the the meme that was going on on TikTok for a while and it was, you know, how people get to mine to songs and stuff? Hmm. And they they did this thing where it's like I'm Peppa Pig, but they replace it with with I'm Peppa Pig. 

Yes, that's the start of the show, yes. 

And they get people to mime to it and it and it's hilarious.