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The year is 2004... Your polyphonic ringtone habit is sending you broke. George W Bush is sworn in for a second term. And in spite of everything going on, the most controversial thing is a wardrobe malfunction at the superbowl?
T minus 20, rewind to this week in history 20 years ago with Joe and Mel.
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McCartney magic at Glastonbury 2004
🚀 We’re launching into space history when SpaceShipOne becomes the first privately funded human spaceflight. Funded by Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen, this bad boy reached an altitude of 100 kilometres and opened the door to the future of private space travel.
⚖️ The New York Court of Appeals declared the state's death penalty statute unconstitutional in People v. LaValle. The landmark decision effectively halted all death penalty cases and also impacted other ongoing and future capital cases, sparing many defendants from facing the death penalty.
🎤 Glastonbury 2004 was an unforgettable event with headliners like Oasis and Muse lighting up the stage, plus a legendary performance from Paul McCartney at his first UK festival appearance.
🎥 If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a ball… DodgeBall: A True Underdog Story hits the top spot at the box office and we relive Vince Vaughn and Ben Stiller's hilarious showdown.
📚 In book news, David Sedaris’ Dress Your Family in Corduroy and Denim hits the top of the NY Times Best Seller list. Sedaris takes us through the absurdities of family life, but obvs not everyone was impressed and we bring the 1 star gold…
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The year is 2004. Your polyphonic ringtone habit is sending you broke. George W Bush is sworn in for a second term, and in spite of everything going on, the most controversial thing is a wardrobe malfunction at the Super Bowl. T -, 20 rewind 20 years with Joe and Mel.
Week.
Ohh 20 June 2004.
20 You know what? I'm very forgetful. The rest is history.
20 hello there, stop trying to make fetch happen.
Yep.
This is harder than I thought it would be.
My fellow Americans. Let's roll.
Get a full charge into that Nokia 3210 and get ready to dive deep into the heart of the early 2000s with the podcast that we like to call t -, 20 here with your host Joe and Mel. Hello Mel.
Hello. We rewind. 20 years each and every week looking at TV, music, movies, news, pop culture, celebrity, all of that good stuff. And we're rewinding back to the 20th to the 26th of June, 2004 this week.
There's a bit at the end of this next song that you might just want to join in with if you do. Don't feel shy, just join.
Who doesn't love to kick off the week with a good old sing along massive amount of audience participation at a little festival that happened this time 20 years ago called Glastonbury, and that performer there had the crowd.
Audience participation.
Fading out of the palm of his hands.
The death penalty in the US has been around since 1608, but it has long been debated under various presidential administrations.
Ah, the old death penalty. The debate isn't that like a mainstay on talk radio? I think we should bring back the death penalty.
Yes.
And it was debated this week, 20 years ago. New York, I believe.
That's right, New Yorkers weren't happy with the death penalty.
1954 A simpler time.
Dodgeball is a sport of violence, exclusion and degradation. A more innocent time. Make sure you pick the bigger, stronger kids for your team. That way you can all gang up on the weaker 1.
That sounds like my entire high school sporting career right there, and it wasn't even in the 50s. But that's a movie release that took the world by storm this time 20 years ago. Does it still stand up today? Maybe we could talk about the inner machinations that were dodgeball while we are at it. That's everything and more. That is coming up in this week's episode.
And and Speaking of simpler times. Yeah, I'd like to rewind back to the the days of the Game Boy. And back when all the all the superness, the superness back when video games were.
Ohh, the Game Boy really.
Run, jump, eat a flower, hit a brick with your head. Collect all the coins. Yep, Yep. Ride a skateboard maybe, and jump over a ditch, Chuck a banana. That's that's video games, yes.
Oh yeah. Shoot the little invaders that are coming from space.
Hmm hmm.
Throw a newspaper, throw a newspaper off your push bike. Remember that one? Yeah. Yeah.
I did like that one. Or shoot, shoot some aliens coming from outer space.
We can still do all that video games.
Now, no, no video games today.
You can. You just gotta be a bit more committed and or video games now are way more intense. It's like, you know, you're a broken man, haunted by the choices you've made. You don't fear the sweet embrace of death, but you still have unfinished business or something like that. And then it takes you 100 hours to figure out what that unfinished business is.
And it's a movie, and there's there's voice actors and.
It's basically a interactive movie. Yes.
It's too much.
It's quite wonderful, actually, and I do love it. And we're a whole generation of people that are playing video games. I I mean, you look back to when you were a kid and your grandparents were like in their 50s. That's the other thing too. People in their 50s seemed really old. And I'm 50 years looming on the horizon. I could see it. I could almost taste it. But there was nobody of the age of 50 in the 8. Dies or even the 90s playing video games? No, no. And now there are people are playing games, but what I find is there's just no freaking time. I can't. I don't have enough time to watch my shows, let alone spend 100 hours playing a video. And you know me? Video games were my jam.
9.
Hmm.
No, no, I know.
All the time I was like, I love them. I've been, I've.
You even bought the books like the guides.
Yeah, but the books and how do you know why I did that? Because it was time. So time poor. And I didn't look around and needed to get that 100 hours up. If it was 110.
The strategy guides. Hours. I didn't have time for it, but now not only do you not have time to play them because they're so long. Then there's this whole streaming channels dedicated to watching other people playing them. I.
That's that's something that I don't I can't embrace. Is people watching other people play video games because that was always waiting for a turn. Like when you're if you didn't, you had the Atari and it's like ohh, can I go next? Yeah. And you'd have to wait and you or you'd.
Do not understand.
I don't get it.
Yes.
Put a coin on the machine. But the there are and the other thing that we used to have in our generations are those video games are really bad for you, but they're not. They're actually not. There's there's a lot of good that comes out of playing video games, especially during COVID. That's when video games really. Had a massive resurgence because people could socialise. They could play online together and humans need to interact and play together. And there's also some really interesting things about how video games and it's so it it has boomed amongst adults. Lots of adults are playing games.
Nothing. Nothing brings people together like a teabag.
In Call of Duty. Yes. Yes, it's this is not a Lipton commercial or Nescafe.
In Call of Duty.
Or whatever it. Is so you know the global video gaming market in 2020 was worth $174 billion, but because of COVID and all that stuff, by 2026, that's gonna be worth closer to probably 314.
Jeans.
Billion. Words and it's one of those things that doesn't have as much stigma to it these days like social stigma cuz like you know how, like adults can be playful in the video game world, they can do and and the play is really important for people because there's lots of mental health benefits to it, like playing video games. You see this state of flow, which is what this psychologist by the name of Frederica Pallavicini. Talks about and her father was being treated by brain cancer and she wanted to help him recover from surgery, so she introduced him to video games and immediately saw the benefits of that. But she talks about how it introduces a state of flow whereby you are so in the moment just thinking about the tasks that you need to perform in the game, that all the other. In your life is just on the shelf while you're in that moment and there is not many times or places where you can actually do that.
That's a really good point. Yeah, just being in the moment is is such a hard thing to do these days because you're always thinking about the To Do List or you're thinking, do I need to capture this and take a photo of it and put it up on the socials to prove that I was like, you're not. You're not ever fully present anymore.
No, no. And so all of that stuff about video games rotting your brain is actually incorrect. It's the rest of the in your life that is rotting your brain.
Hmm.
Like this podcast? Possibly yes. Right. Let's do the hatches, matches and dispatches. Clue. We're gonna play a clue for our hatches, matches and dispatches segment and reveal who this person is at the end of the show. A celebrity that is having a birthday, not so much this time 20 years ago, but has had.
Yeah, yeah.
A birthday for the last well. Ohh geez, I reckon close to 60 years, maybe even more. That said this.
See this.
This.
Is my boomstick.
No.
You could say that in a video game and. Get away with it on record.
See this.
This.
Is my birthday.
You could find out who that is at the end of the programme.
We'll start with the 21st of June 2004. We're heading to Space Spaceship one makes the first privately funded human Space Flight, spaceship 1. One all one word.
Being the first, I think that's a. Well, it's not. Wasn't the first space, I guess it was as well as the 1st.
Of its kind, the first privately funded, and I didn't realise that we were doing this 20 years ago. I thought this was a recent thing with the Bezos guy or the Musk guy, but no, we were doing it 20 years ago. This project was developed by Mojave Aerospace.
But.
Ventures, which is a joint venture between Scaled Composites. Founded by Burt Rutan and funded by Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen.
Return. Yeah, it's an experimental air launched rocket, so it was on a plane. It was mounted on the top of a plane and they'd go up to a certain altitude and then they'd launch it into sub orbit. So it would go up to, like, 3000 feet a second or 2000 mph 910 metres. Taken 3300 kilometres an hour. That's how fast it would go using this hybrid rocket motor.
It was very odd looking.
Yeah, it was. It was weird. And actually you can see it in the Smithsonian Aerospace Museum, which we saw over in Washington. It's it's hanging from the ceiling. Yes. I was more interested in the Apollo capsule and the Wright brothers plane. But but it's in there as well. Spaceship. Spaceship ones hanging from the ceiling there as well.
So we saw it. I messed up it. I was hungover. I can't remember much from that day. There you go.
So it made its first flight on the 21st of June, piloted by a guy named Mike Melvin. And it reached an altitude of 100 kilometres, or 62 miles, which is the internationally recognised boundary of space, and it won the Ansari X Prize on October four by completing 2 manned flights to space within two weeks, and one of the curators from the Smithsonian Museum. Valerie Neal. Talks about how important it was to win that prize.
The I'm sorry X Prize was a key moment in making the potential of commercial Space Flight seem real. Achieving flight in a privately developed spacecraft was a significant milestone toward the dream of possible space tourism in the future.
I'm like Count 321 mark.
There he goes. Positive separation.
You need a bit of positive separation when you're doing Space Flight. You don't. If you don't separate positively, it's not gonna go well. It's very high risk and and look, this this has paved the way for things like Virgin Galactic and all this. And Bezos and his giant ***** that he flew into space as well. So commercial.
Hmm.
Hmm.
And it's also the first of the privateers coming into the whole space market, which is you know where it's at now, like NASA can't do it all by itself. It needs that funding from the privateers to continue it. So their success demonstrates that feasibility of being able to do private. Space travel, even though it would cost you an absolute bomb, and it also gets Lance Bass one step closer to recognising his dreams without having to defect entirely to Russia.
Maybe one day, maybe in the next 20 years. Lance. Will get up there.
I don't know that he can, Kenny. Hasn't he got some kind of health problem that prevents it or is he just completely?
I think he treated that. I think it it alerted him to the. Problem and I think he solved it.
Yes. What was the problem that he had was it seemed to do. With his heart.
It's only doing the hearts. Something to do with his heart, but I think he's on it, he.
Heart arrhythmia or I think it was.
Got. On it that, thankfully that highlighted the issue when he was able to treat it so I think he's.
Yeah.
Right.
He's he's in good Nick, I reckon. I reckon he could do it. Maybe in the next 20 years.
So.
There'll be a Lance in space.
And Sink reunion tour so we can get enough money to pay Bezos to sit on his giant ***** and go up.
Yes.
Into space, perhaps? Amazing. Let's go to the 24th of June, which is a a very interesting time in New York. As the Court of Appeals declared the state's death penalty statute unconstitutional in the landmark case of people versus. Lavelle.
The death penalty in the US has been around since 1608, but it has long been debated under various presidential administrations. The death penalty, also known as capital punishment, can be used for crimes involving murder. Today, many states allow the death penalty. 24 states use it, 23 don't allow it, and three have a current moratorium or temporary hold on it. Since 1976, there have been 1532 executions in total. The main method used is lethal injection, but other methods used in the past have been electrocution, hanging death by firing squad and gas. Missing while the majority of people executed since 1976 have been white, a disproportionate number have been black. Black people make up about 13% of the population, but 42% of people on death row. The death penalty has also been criticised for putting innocent people on death row and for not serving as a deterrent to crime.
Well, I think the proof is in the pudding, that it doesn't serve as a deterrent to crime because people still commit crimes they don't.
Hmm. People are right.
To fear the death penalty, I think there's an interesting statistic in there about the proportion of black people on death row in comparison to white with, with and especially in proportion to the the population. But I also think it's interesting that there is a lot of people who have been on death row that have been innocent. You know, that's a very disturbing fact and that's this has been a legal form of punishment in New York from the colonial times back. It's from the British colonial times.
Yes, it's been a there's been a lot of. Back and forth as far as the death penalty goes, in New York, cause I think it was suspended in the 70s and then reinstated in 1995. So from.
Yes. That's when the talk radio guys must bring back the death penalty and they went alright then. OK, have it your way.
From from 95 to 2004 seven several people were sentenced to death, although no executions were carried out. About the state actually constructed new death row facilities preparing for potential executions. Then on the 24th of June 2004, that court decision found that a specific provision of the death penalty law violated the state constitution. Now this provision. Required judges to inform juries that if they couldn't reach a unanimous decision on the sentence, either death or life without parole. The judge would impose a sentence allowing the possibility of parole after 20 to 25 years.
So they could only let me get this right in my head so they could only execute someone legally if the jury unanimously decided that they were guilty. If there was any doubt, then the judge would come back in and he'd impose a sentence saying, well, I'm gonna no. Is that wrong?
No. So what they're saying is if they, if the jury couldn't reach a unanimous decision. The judge would allow a sentence with the possibility of paroling that person from 20 to 25 years. So in that way the jury alike, I don't want the judge to give this person parole between 20 to 25 years. That's not a good outcome. We don't want this person on parole.
Right.
So we but.
Therefore, we're gonna go the pathway of the the.
Towards the death penalty or life without parole.
Choose the death penalty so that there's no. Possibility of parole.
For all right, OK. OK, that that makes sense. So it's like we don't want the judge to get it. So the well that puts a lot of pressure.
On the jury? Yeah. So it was basically, it was saying that, that that could coerce the jurors into voting for the death penalty to avoid the possibility of the defendant being eligible for parole in as little as 20 years.
Or the individual within the jury.
Right.
Yeah. Which was seen as a violation of due process under the Constitution.
See.
You know how bad I am with this sort of stuff? Like I I never fully read the terms and conditions of the contract because it just bamboozles me. So I was. I was bamboozled. I would have just scrolled to the end and ticked the box and said I agree so that I could carry on. I'm glad you explained.
I agree, I agree.
Oh.
I'm glad you're not on a jury.
It to me. So the whole reason why they did this was because the jurors could be coerced into voting for the death penalty. So the judge didn't meddle in the affairs and give them parole, right?
Yeah. So that, yes, yes. So they felt that it was actually. Maybe steering them in the direction of selecting?
Right. And that violates all the due process that they have, which is in their state constitution. So it invalidates death penalties or death sentences, right?
As an option.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah. So the ruling effectively invalidated the sentences of four men who were on death row at the time and then suspended the use of the penalty in the state and then also impacted other ongoing and future cases. So it's spared many people from facing the death penalty.
Well, that's good.
And I think to this day, it's still suspended, but I. I don't know. Perhaps it could be reversed. I'm not sure. But as far as America goes. It's still legal in 27 states.
Yeah, you don't wanna. You don't wanna muck around over there, especially if you're in the wrong state like Texas. Don't wanna mess around in Texas. Don't wanna mess around in Florida. It's legally it's it's not legal. It's still done in California. Mm-hmm. Which is such a liberal state.
Yeah.
No. California has the highest numbers of inmates.
On death row, apparently.
Isn't that something?
Really.
And it still globally it still. Happens in a lot of countries. I saw the list. It was a very long list.
Well.
I don't think America execute that many in comparison to other countries like China.
They apparently conduct the most executions annually, although the exact numbers.
Yes.
Are kept secret, allegedly.
It's it's a little bit, yes, it's it's it's all subject to speculation and I don't think I'll be going on holidays anytime there soon after saying that.
Allegedly.
Hmm.
But anyway, what was the one?
In was it in the 80s, Barlow and?
Barlow and Chambers. I remember that as a child, they were drug smugglers. Was it South America?
Where were I'll remember that as a child as well. And they and I think they put it on. I think they put it on the TV. I think it was televised cause I I.
Yeah, the execution, no. No way. They wouldn't have televised the execution, but.
There was something and I remember my mum not letting me watch the TV, but I remember it was the talk of the 80s, Barlow and Chambers.
And coming up tonight after the lottery draw, it's the execution of Barlow and Chambers.
OK, so maybe they didn't they maybe they didn't put it on, but maybe they were talking about it on the news. Cause I just remember my mum.
Gee whiz.
Sort of moving us out of of the of the lounge room. She didn't want us hearing it, but then I remember her talking to other people. It was it was the chatter of the street. I remember her talking to all the other people in the street. Ohh, that Barlow and Chambers. Well, can't believe they went through. They actually did it.
Imagine if they did televise it. Imagine being the sales Rep at the TV station that had to sell the advertising for that. We'll be right back with the execution after these messages move, mobile will come to you. Call 13/13/30.
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Let's trance. Well, I mean, it wasn't really doom and gloom. They did, you know, stop the death penalty for a little while in. New York. So that's OK, yes. Yes, but we gotta talk about computer viruses. They're all the rage in the early 2000s, and this one was on Internet Explorer. Last week we had the the Bluetooth thing on the phone and all that was was just skipping.
Yeah, I liked that one. That was just like a haha. We could do it, yes.
Wasn't really doing anything. I think this one's a bit more nefarious. The download dot jacked attack on Internet Explorer, also known as Scoob, was malware, and it was very sophisticated malware. It had a Country Club membership.
Hmm.
Yes. And it life. Yes. And it would spend lots of money to go out for Digger station, sophisticated malware. It played golf and croquet. It exploited this vulnerability in Microsoft's Internet Information Service or IIS, to compromise web servers and spread malicious code to users visiting infected site.
Valet park.
There was a vulnerability in it which allowed them to take control of web servers and install one of those Trojan horses.
Oh gosh.
Yes. And I think that that the the JavaScript ended up being malicious and that just sounds like a bad coffee really when you got malicious Java. It's yeah, it's not great. Maybe the milk was a bit off, you know. Ohh, I think I had some malicious Java and I've got a very upset tummy. Now I'm gonna have to take the rest of the day.
Sure, when users visited an infected website using Internet Explorer, the injected JavaScript redirected their browsers to a Russian website that then attempted to download and execute additional malicious software onto their systems without their knowledge. It included things like key loggers, back doors and other programmes that were designed to steal your personal info so your user. Names, passwords, credit card details all the good stuff, and it affected a lot of high profile websites which then exposed other users to the malware and this was at the time. Time when they were starting to remember we spoke about Mozilla Firefox and and some of these other Internet browsers were starting to pop up around this time. So they used it as a real opportunity to say hey IE not safe come over and use app. Yeah, they really capitalised on this particular.
Yeah, yeah. Come over and. Our stuff.
Attack.
Umm it's it's interesting in the context of today. Because I don't know that. It's not so much malware attacking us now, it's more about and like, don't get me wrong, you can still get caught up in this malware thing and you can lose your personal information thanks to key loggers and backdoors and those sort of things. But now it seems to have shifted more to these agents. Going. After businesses, big corporations that have your personal data in a massive database, so rather than taking the information from one person, they're going and and getting it on bulk.
Corporations with personal data. Yeah. Well, that's a lot easier, isn't it? It's like, well, why try and get it from all the individuals? I'll just find all. The individuals in one spot.
Through this one company that probably hasn't done their due diligence and upgraded their Internet software.
Hmm, it's.
Very efficient.
Yeah.
Yes.
And then it's like, you know, I've got my password manager and stuff, but I use Kaspersky, which is owned by the Russians, so. Actually, and it's not an endorsement at all, but Kaspersky is my company of choice because I figure I figure like because, well, it's it's like it's a Russian company and it's like, yeah, man. But I like, I buy all my virus protection through you guys like keep your friends close. And I don't even know. I mean, there's no such thing as a border with any of this stuff anyway.
They'd be the best at it. No.
But there is something that has borders in it, and that's the charts. And there's these songs that chart very different from country to country. That's the worst segue ever, isn't it really?
I. I don't know what just happened but.
Oh, it was good.
Ferb. Ferb is. Number one in Australia, let's start there.
You wipe back.
She's just hanging in there, isn't she? I mean, go away. Like, that's it's a novelty song is. It it really is.
I I still. Like a swear in.
The charts I do appreciate it.
Yeah, but I mean, I I like it. Take me back to novelty songs from the late 80s, like Star Trek and Star Trek in across the, you know, something like that, you know? No, not if you right back, but Frankie.
Oh gosh. Macarena, what else have you got?
Number one in the UK, Britney every time.
Hmm.
Every time.
Without my wings. I feel so small. Like yes, I need you, baby. See you in my dream.
That was the one where she was in the bath, wasn't at the film clip, which was in the bath. Yeah, because all you can hear, like, that's that's taken from the video that, like, farts. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And she she needed up for that as well. I mean, that was kind of the shape of things to come.
Correct. Sounds. She's singing in the. Bathroom sounds bit Howie. Since she think she was.
You need all the bloody time now. I switched clothes on pricking.
You sound like such a welter noodle.
Ohh, she's just new.
With bloody time. Put your clothes on, Brittany. Always node.
She uses neat all the time. It's it's lost all its power because you just see.
What's emojis? No. She puts like a little flower emojis over her nips and her other bits.
It all the time.
Well, that's great. But I mean, nobody cares.
You don't see everything feels subtle.
It's not a big deal. Everyone's like, ohh. Brittany's new disturbing nude video. No one gives it.
Every time. Third single from her album in the zone, written in part as a response to Justin's Crimea River. So that's the one where he talks about her cheating and also he's giving these radio interviews at the moment, the ones that we've we've talked about these and he's talking about what he did with her and you.
Yes.
Alright. Oh yeah.
Know he's.
Getting too much. Detail and it's inappropriate.
All that the virginity and and and then how she cheated on him and all that. Sort of.
All the things that he shouldn't be doing.
Stuff and she. Really, he really painted her in quite a negative light. I mean, she doesn't do herself any favours. If I'm being honest either. But, but. Well, according to the autobiography, yes, he is.
He did. He did.
He's the villain in this story and I.
Called it, yes.
Yes, exactly. So she wrote the song with her background singer Annette Atani. Hmm. And Annette said at the time that Justin was getting a bit personal because she had her image, and then he was exposing some stuff that she probably didn't want out there.
No, she's she's kind of like a naughty girl. But she was a clean cut. Naughty girl.
And in front of. But he was saying it and that, you know her in front of her family, her little sister was offended and they were mortified. And she was really upset by that. So they then crafted the.
Yeah, that's stale. That's that's gross.
Song together. Ah, which was kind of too.
Hmm.
Not JT. The Annette Anthony. Yeah, yeah.
Annette, Annette, Annette and Brittany. They, I think Annette was going steady with someone and then they broke up around the same time. So they kind of had this bond because they were both going through breakups at the same time and they went away and they stayed in this house together with Felicia. You know Felicia from the documentary. Felicia was there and someone else was there.
Right.
Anyway, and they wrote, they wrote the song as.
A response to that.
OK. Yes.
And then you mentioned the video, so that was actually directed by David Lachapelle.
Yes.
And it featured and it and it does. When you do watch the video, you do see OK, I think this is a response to Justin. She's she's a pop star. She's fighting with the male companion. She's being followed by the paparazzi.
Doesn't she get hit in the head or something?
She starts to drown in her bathtub and. She's got a. Head wound and then she goes to the hospital and then doctors can't resuscitate her. And then, simultaneously, a child's born in the next room, indicating like reincarnation.
Right. Ohh. Oh wow.
The original, though the original concept for the video clip was that she actually kills herself.
From a drug overdose? Well, that's when they were like, you know, maybe rage, but not video, not video. Yes, after midnight rage, but not. Yeah.
That's a bit. That's a bit much for video. It's on a Saturday morning, I mean. It's a bit dark. Yeah. You can do rage like after midnight, but not, yeah. It's that's a pretty. That's a pretty full long concept. It's closing people. Yeah.
So they had to, yeah, they had to. They had to change it got got a bit of, got a bit of criticism around that. And I think there were some religious references. I think there was a stigma for reference in.
There as well.
Oh really?
And some Kabbalah.
That's what happens when you hang out with Madonna. You catch all of that? Yeah.
Well, that was there was well, no cabala as well. Remember, Madonna was into that. The red. The red bracelet. Yeah. And Brittany, I think, did that as well. So yeah, they had to. They had to make the video clip a little bit more tame. But again, last year when the book was released and some of the things I won't go into detail but some.
Yeah.
The the red.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Of the things that. Came to light within her relationship with Justin. A lot of people were saying that every time when you watch that video and everything behind it, it actually takes on a much different meaning. The lyrics and and the clip based on some of the stuff that happened between her and just and we just have to read the books. You know what that is? I'm not going to go into it. You have to read the book. It's it's a little bit too much.
Right. What's the meaning? I've gotta read the book.
OK. For this, but yes.
For the podcast, for the whole other podcast, is it? Yeah.
Yes. So there's lots of people that have gone back and just pulled apart this song and they're going well. I think there's actually a different meaning now. So Annette, shut up.
Everyone's.
You're wrong. It's.
Always looking for meaning in the whole Britney Spears thing and I I actually don't think it's that complicated. I really don't. I think that it's just a case. Of you know this person is off the rails. The conservatorship wasn't too great, she got empowered, and then everyone's kind of now waking up to the fact that there was probably a conservatorship put there for a reason. But maybe.
It might not have been the best choice of. Person to run.
Maybe the people running it up exactly right. Like she's she is going broke at the speed of light. She had what she have like.
It, but perhaps. Yeah, perhaps there's yeah some.
Million. Now she's only got 30.
Well, she's going out with the the gardener who's a convicted felon. As at the moment. And they had a big falling out at the what's the hotel?
God.
The the is it.
Like the Chateau Marmont? Yeah.
The shadow mum. Where all the crap used to happen with Lindsey.
Yeah.
Yeah, there was an incident there. She sprained her ankle, sprained her ankle and couldn't walk on it and was out in the the hallway and the police were called Umm.
Well, it's always good for business if there's an incident at the shadow moment. Uh, did she? Oh, see, that's that's messy.
She should have. She should have.
Have we do this?
Come to live with us when? When we. Offered it.
I don't, I I've I've. I'm rescinding that offer. I do not need. I do not need. I do not need that need in my.
You are. You're taking it back. That's a bit too much now.
Nobody does. Nobody knows. Sort yourself out. Go and move to the country. Get the hell out of LA. Yeah, everyone keeps saying it, but just do it. Get out of LA Britney Spears. No one.
Alright, well, let's get the.
OK.
'S gonna help you there. Alright, let's distract ourselves with the top.
Five in the US.
I don't want to be. If it ain't you. Baby, I don't wanna know if you blame me.
Three.
Reason. For. To change, you used to be. Let it go.
So top five usher go usher still number one with burn and now #2 number ones and number twos confessions. Part 2 is number 2. Who mistake the reason #3. I don't want to know. #4 and new entry. Alicia Keys. If I ain't got you.
Ohh really? Yeah. I wanna. I wanna go back to confessions, cause I think there's something here and maybe people can. Well, we don't have enough listeners for this, so I'll just do my own. But people could send in their confessions. We could do. It like this we could do that, yeah.
You. A confessional.
I took the milk from the fridge and had the last little bit and put the bottle back in and then when you lost. I blamed it on the kids.
I knew it. Was.
You.
When you talk about Brittany, it's like I didn't read the book, but I actually did.
That's my confession. That's a good.
Confession. I like that I'm proud of. You have you got? Any more? Anything else you wanna get off your chest?
Right now, he sent me down to the shop, so I went to the pub instead and had some frosty chops. And then when I got back to the house. I've forgotten half of the groceries. Sorry about that.
So they weren't out of stock, you just forgot.
No. My confessions. Yeah. Hmm.
Them.
OK, any more confessions?
Not that I'm prepared to elaborate on this week.
All right. Well, then, let's chat. Alicia Keys, instead, infections away.
OK.
Yeah.
10 How Mary's actually after the after the show, and are now father.
It's alright, I'll 10. Hail Mary, the one our father and I'll I'll repent.
OK, new entry into the top five. If I ain't got you, Alicia Keys.
I don't want to be if it ain't you, baby. If I ain't got any new baby, some people want everything means nothing.
I really like her. I really like Alicia Keys. She's wonderful. And that was what was that album. That was the diary of Alicia Keys. Dear diary, I kept a diary once, but then I talked about people and said they were.
Hmm. Release second release.
True.
Ohh good.
You can't. You get a diary and then you go back and read your diary and you just realise that you're an.
Idiot I had.
Yep.
A dinky diary in the 80s, you know those ones with the. It's like folds up and it's got a.
Yeah, yeah.
Magnet which keeps it. Closed and it comes with a range of stickers. Lots of nice stickers. Private. Keep out all that kind of stuff.
Yes.
Uh-huh. Which just makes people wanna read it. Yeah. Really. It's an incentive.
And I went back and I. And it's not a lock system magnet. And I went back and I read it and I think I had like one entry and it was the start of the school holidays and I.
No. Yeah.
Wrote cause I'd started reading the babysitters club. And I think it was Logan likes Mary Ann and boy crazy Stacey. So everyone just liked the boys. And I remember riding Ohh day one of the school holidays. I want some. Action. I wish there were some cute. Boys or something? Really. Like I didn't even like was this. Yeah, I wrote that. I wrote. That didn't mean it like that. But I just come off the back of reading boy crazy. Stacy and I thought that's what you write in your diary. And that's the only entry I had in my dinky diary. And I read that I.
You just want some action. Right. God.
Ohh gosh French.
Good thing your parents didn't find that well. Alicia Keys diary is much more classy.
No, baby. If I ain't gotta do baby everything.
Did I already play that?
I think you've played it twice, but that's alright. It's a good song. Yeah, that was actually inspired by the death of a leader. I think Alicia talks about it herself, doesn't she?
Actually wrote it right after I heard that Alia passed away and I was on the plane. And I think being on the plane and knowing that she passed away after a plane crash there was just this sentiment of being present in the moment and really like nothing else mattering, but those that you love.
Well, that's all wonderful. What about a festival? What about a festival in Pilton, England?
Oh.
Yeah, it's a place called Glastonbury. Yeah, that opened on the 25th of June. It's a big.
UM. Festival. Whenever I hear the festival, I just think mud, that's all that pops into.
Yeah.
My mud is muds, muds.
Yeah, especially and various stuff. So we had Oasis, yeah, Muse, Muse and Oasis. And Paul McCartney headlining it. Paul McCartney is a big one and this marked his first ever UK festival appearance where he played a whole bunch of solo songs. And of course, Beatles classics. So, I mean, that's a big deal.
God's grace. Oh yeah.
And McCartney, other people, they had, they were like James Brown, Josh Stone. Toots and The Maytals, Franz Ferdinand, the Scissor Sisters, Black Eyed Peas.
Ohh, I can't think of the scissor. Sisters again, after looking at that diagram.
No, don't. Sister Sledge. I wanted to know what this is. This sisters got up to, and then I looked, and then I thought I was gonna ask you. Anyway, I don't know. No, I don't. So yeah. Sister Sledge, Michael Franti and spearhead. And it was all about sustainability.
Don't click the hyperlink. I'm.
And recycling and so all the you know, how dirty festivals are.
And merge.
Apparently, 32% of the waste, including 110 tonnes of organic waste was was recycled there, yeah.
Organic waste is that like?
Well, I don't know.
Twos, is that considered?
I did a poo at Glastonbury and took it home and put it on my garden like I don't know, it's weird weird. Anyway there was lots of charity contributions and you know Greenpeace, Water aid, Oxfam, local causes, an extra £1,000,000 donated to the Sudan Appeal, which is all very nice. But I think you know.
Oh.
Paul McCartney. Doing his whole stick there was was wonderful. There was a bit of crowd interaction which we we sort. Of alluded to.
That's a bit at the end of this next song that you might just wanna join in with if you 2. Don't feel shy, just join.
Hate. Don't make it. Take a sad song and make it better. Remember. Into your heart. If you can start.
To begin.
You can hear it. You can hear him singing at the start. They're not waiting till the end, but then the end comes around. And of course, I mean this song just kills every single time live.
You know, you sound so sweet tonight.
Make me feel so good to me. Feel so good.
No, no.
Don't care about no rain, see, there's.
Suggesting it did rain there, but they all sounded like they were having a good time. That was a great moment at that concert and McCartney, there is no doubt about him. He just finished another tour. He was in Australia at the beginning of the year earlier this year. Yes, he is 80 years old, right? He played for.
Much there's much.
Yeah.
No. Oh my gosh.
Over three hours, 3 hours. I mean, he's got the catalogue of songs he could just he was, he could play for three hours and he's like, and by the end of it, he's like, well, I think I.
What?
Need to go home. And you probably do too. 80 years old. It just goes to show you how rock'n'roll keeps you young.
Wow.
Over to the box office, I think we, I don't. I think the only thing we've got is one movie this week in the entertainment was Shrek two was was number one in Australia.
More.
But we've already talked about that when it was #1.
We have, we have and there's a new number one in the American box office.
In America, yes.
1954 A simpler time.
Dodgeball is a sport of violence, exclusion and. A more innocent time. Make sure you pick the bigger, stronger kids for your team. That way you can all gang up on the weaker ones.
Today, there are those who are born. To be. Here at Globo Jim, we're better than you and we know it. And then? There are these guys.
Boom, boom, boom, boom.
Do you know why I'm here?
Do you mean cosmically?
You have 30 days to pay off your mortgage or you lose.
Your gym would want to buy.
This place anyway, OK.
We can't just let him take us.
Over any way in the world, we could raise $50,000 we.
Hey there.
Could play basketball.
The name is patches o'houlihan. And I'm your new coach. You gotta get angry.
Yes, I'm not really an angry person.
Are you angry now?
20th Century Fox invites you.
Welcome to this year's Las Vegas Dodgeball.
To experience the world dodgeball. There's a souvenir for a. Lucky fan with the ultimate underdogs.
The real team needs real uniforms. Beautiful. I hope they fit.
Nice. Well, at least that wasn't weird. Dodgeball, a true underdog story.
You can dodge a wrench. You can dodge a ball.
Sports comedy film.
One of my favourites.
Yeah, one of those cookie cutter comedy films where it's like the underdogs get the big business come in and they you have to then, you know, compete or fight for their, you know, you could apply it to. Summer rental with the boat race. Rip Rip Torn was in that movie using some orenthal as.
He was, yes.
Well. Yeah, you could. You could apply it to Wayne's World. You could apply it to basketball, like pretty much any any kind of comedy movie. It's like, you know, the underdog, struggling against the the big bad.
Hmm.
And then overcoming the big bad. And in this case it was Peter Lafleur, the underdog, played by Vince Vaughn, who was the owner of Average Joe's gym, which was this dirty gym that was facing financial ruin. And then there was a gym across the road.
That is.
Boot that Ben Stiller's character, White Goodman ran, called the Globo gym and and it just so happens that White Goodman's dodgeball team, with the best dodgeball team in the dodgeball competition and of course, to save average Joe's being taken over by Globo, they entered the dodgeball tournament in Vegas, where they can win.
Of.
50 grand, which will pay off their debts and then obvious.
Yeah, yeah.
Really set them free from the takeover from the Globo gym, but of course the catch is, is that White Goodman's team are also playing dodgeball and and then rip torn comes in as patches o'houlihan the coach dodging the wrenches and hilarity in shoes. Did you see it?
Hmm.
I thought I.
Did, but no, I think I was confusing it with something. Else.
I saw it. I didn't mind it. It had its moments. The critics liked a 71% critics 76 audience score.
Did you like it? I do remember people loved it. Yeah, I guess. I guess because it was, it was an unexpected sport to be appearing.
I think.
In a sports. Comedy, well, I think.
For the American box office as well, the dodgeball was a bit more of a thing than what it was in Australia. Like in Australia, in school we didn't do dodgeball so much.
We did branding.
Seeds Brandings was a.
Ball smashed with a tennis. Ball. That's way more painful.
Yes, or or or British Bulldog as well. Well, we just took the Bulls out.
French Bulldogs, yes, just smashed each other. Yeah, well, that one where you had your stockings and you put a tennis ball in the end and you'd you'd swing it from side to side.
Of. It and. Hold. And felt safer with.
No. You'd stand against the wall and you'd have your stockings, and the ball would be in the. End. Of the stocking and you'd hit side to side and people would have to run in and.
Yeah.
Get in next to. You without getting hit by the ball.
Really. That sounds awful. Yeah, a lot of these things.
It was. It's fun.
It's fun, it's fun if you're the one. Controlling the ball.
I mean the concept of dodgeball is quite awful as well, but.
It's. It's a bit mean, isn't it?
But then I mean the. Yeah. Well, and there's been a lot of, there's been a lot of. So dodgeball originally came from Africa and it.
It's mean spirited.
Was. Was used there, but they used rocks instead. It was much more brutal. People would die. And it's evolved over time. It's evolved over time to become a mainstay in schools across America. But there's a lot of people that have tried to cancel dodgeball over recent times because dodgeball promotes bullying. And but I would argue, you know, cause it's obviously that you're gonna single out the weak and pick them off.
Ohh, right, OK, lovely. Well.
In dodgeball, but I'd argue that's probably all sport.
Hmm.
Only the strong survive.
I've I remember when you had to make a video of a dodgeball team, remember?
I mean.
Yes, yes, that's right. The the wombats.
Wombats and and they'd like drink beers at half time and I thought maybe this is.
Yes, and.
The sport for me.
Well, that was a local dodgeball team that we're, I think, going to compete at. It was like it wasn't Commonwealth Games or something, but it was. It is. It is national Dodgeball championship and and and you know what?
But they were going to some championships and they were having beers and I think some of them.
Smoked well, yes. And they and they, they were there. So when people talk about how. Dodgeball is kind of this thing that isolates people, and it's only for the elite, and it encourages people to be picked on. No, none of the guys in that dodgeball team were elite, elite athletes. No, they were all they were all geeky guys. That probably would have been picked on in school sport.
Now lovely. That liked to that liked a beer and they were lovely.
But they found their niche and they wanted to take out some of that button down aggression by *******.
Yes.
Peggy. Both houses. Yes, yes, yes.
And in civil ball as hard as they could at other people like minded people. But there is, there is a lot of talk about dodgeball being really bad for kids these days and I don't know. I mean I. Yeah, I always remember playing brandings and things like that and being terrified. Well, yeah. I never liked.
Branding the last sticks, that was dangerous.
Forward. School at all. Really. I hated sport at Stuart and at the swimming carnival. But just in the pool.
These are my.
True story. So I think I would have much rather read a good book than play sport. Actually, I didn't hang out in the library a lot in my adolescence. Yeah.
Yeah, me too. Me too. I was the shelver, but sometimes I've got to do the date stamp. That was good.
It's the place to be. Yeah, it was a good time. It's a good time. It was a safe haven. Really. Yeah. Hmm. Hmm.
It was, it was. It's very good. We've got a non fiction book because that da Vinci and his code is still in the fiction.
Ohh for the New York Times bestsellers, of course, a book we haven't read.
Hmm, still going. So we, I I've been perusing the non-fiction, we got a new non fiction this time round called. Dress your family in corduroy and denim. By David Sedaris.
Ohh wow, who's David sedaris?
I think he's a comedian. I believe he's a comedian.
Ross, OK.
But you know. Dress your family in corduroy. My whole family used to wear corduroy and everyone could hear us coming. And mile away.
It's a good time, OHS corduroy in the 80s. Yeah, I used.
Whoosh, whoosh, whoosh.
Here they come here come those roses.
To wear my parents.
We're at the church and then during the offertory procession, I had my own soundtrack. Walking down the aisle was terrible. You try and run away. Really. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, I know. I know, I know. You could stand a fire. With that friction.
OK, synopsis, David Sedaris plays in the snow with his sisters. He goes on vacation with his family. He gets a job selling drinks. He attends his brother's wedding. He mops his sister's floor. He gives directions to a lost traveller. He eats a hamburger. He has his blood sugar. Tested it all sounds so normal does.
OK.
Hello.
Isn't it in his newest collection of essays, David Sedaris lifts the corner of ordinary life, revealing the absurdity seeming below its surface. He's just putting his all his comedy material out there. All his notes are acting with this his world is alive with obscure desires and hidden motives. The world where forgiveness is automatic and an argument can be the highest.
Hmm.
Of love dress your family in corduroy and denim is another unforgettable collection from one of the wittiest and most original writers at work today. Well, that sounds good. That sounds interesting. I might be interested in reading that. Would you? Not really.
Hmm.
Well, thank you for your. Honesty.
Yeah, you were very welcome.
Well, he was quite famous at the time and I think a lot of people were expecting big things from these these essays. No, no. OK, Whitney.
Right. High expectations. That's never good. That's never gonna end well. So what's the good reeds community have to say about these essays and corduroy and denim and?
All that Whitney one star, I think I forced a laugh out once just to remember what it felt like to laugh. It didn't feel right. So I stopped.
Ohh, is that is that more? About Whitney's character, or? Didn't feel right laughing, so she stopped. Loosen up we Whitley.
Whitney.
Yeah. Sorry, Whitney Noem, one star read for school. Boring, uneventful. My teacher sold it to us as a funny book. If this is her sense of humour, I'm very sad for her.
You know.
Right.
This is the thing with comedy and humour. It is so subjective. One thing somebody finds funny, another person probably doesn't. It's a very individual. Theme.
Madam one star, he seems to use his family for mediocre stories much in the way of family vlogger churns out videos of kids who didn't ask for their privacy to be violated. Very distressed.
Madam. OK. Well, that's an interesting point he makes there. Yes, but I mean, a lot of stand up comedians do that. You know, Nicole, one star, to be honest, I was reading four other books at the time. And this one just didn't start out well enough to hold my.
Then.
Attention. So it went back to the library.
Good on you, Nicole, once if you.
Reading if you're reading four books at the same time, I would say that there's probably a little bit of an issue with your attention that maybe maybe goes a little bit deeper than just trying to hold your attention.
I'm reading four other books at the time. What a?
Hero book hero.
Hmm.
I think she's just humblebrags ang. I was reading four other books at the time. I can read like five books at once there. Christopher Bunn, who is also an author one star Corduroy and Denim, is just a series of narcissistic vignettes.
One book. Alright, four books at one time. Yeah, it's good for you.
I don't enjoy that. Sort of thing. Keep your therapy.
Private. See. He's a hater. Like, honestly.
He's an author and he's chucked a narcissistic reference in there.
If you just.
Whenever anyone talks about themselves as narcissism, is it, I mean, it's obviously it did well. It was a New York Times bestseller, mate. You know, Neil cake. Neil cake. That's his name. Neil Cake on good reads it. One star. It's like reading the adolescent musings of a serial killer like the Wonder Years with Jeffrey Dahmer.
OK.
See, that actually sounds interesting. Jeffrey dahmer. Wendy.
Meal cake. I'd be fascinated by that. Yeah. Yeah. Put put Winnie Cooper's head in a box. Amazing.
Maeva Catalano, who is also an author Umm, with a review in French, so I've had to translate it.