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The year is 2004... Your polyphonic ringtone habit is sending you broke. George W Bush is sworn in for a second term. And in spite of everything going on, the most controversial thing is a wardrobe malfunction at the superbowl?
T minus 20, rewind to this week in history 20 years ago with Joe and Mel.
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Explosions, Elections, and Olympic Eruptions
Get ready for a rollercoaster of a week! 🎢
We start with a somber note as the Beslan school hostage crisis shakes Russia. Armed militants take over 1,100 hostages, mostly children, turning a celebration into a tragedy. The world watches in horror as the crisis unfolds over three days, ending in a devastating assault. 💔
Across the Atlantic, the Republican National Convention heats up in New York City! George W. Bush gets the nod for a second term amid cheers, jeers, and one very large inflatable protest. 🎈 With speeches from Rudy Giuliani and Arnold Schwarzenegger and performances from Brooks & Dunn, it’s a political circus! 🎤🗽
Meanwhile, the Athens Summer Olympics wrap up with a dazzling closing ceremony. Fireworks, Greek music, and Nana Mouskouri singing her heart out make for an unforgettable finale as the Olympic flag is passed to Beijing. 🎆🏅
In the world of music, Nelly’s “My Place” is ruling the charts, but not without drama. A feud with Chingy sparks some serious Midwest rap beef. 🤬 And at the MTV VMAs, OutKast takes home the big prize, while Kanye West isn’t too happy about losing Best New Artist to Maroon 5. 🙄
On the big screen, “Hero” is taking the US by storm, and “The Bourne Supremacy” is the big hit in Australia. 🎬 And speaking of Australia, Channel 7’s brand new studios at Martin Place are turning heads and setting the stage for a new era of TV! 📺
So tune in as we dive into the drama, the music, the politics, and everything in between! 🎧
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The year is 2004. Your polyphonic ringtone habit is sending you broke. Yeah, George W Bush is sworn in for a second term, and in spite of everything going on, the most controversial thing is a wardrobe malfunction at the Super Bowl. T -, 20 rewind, 20 years with Joe and Mel.
Wait.
Of 29 August 2004.
T -, 20 you know what? I'm very forgetful.
The rest is history.
20 hello there. Stop trying to make fetch happen. If I had my fellow Americans. What are we waiting for? This is harder than I thought it would be. Let's roll.
Welcome one and all to the podcast where we go out into the backyard and dig up the time capsule that we buried 20 years ago. Unfortunately, we don't have a map sometimes with the whole fills up with water, and that's just what happens in this podcast. It's called t -, 20 rewinding 20 years to 2004 with your host. Joe and Mel.
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Yeah, I'm not allowed to do anymore DIY projects around this house. It it's very emasculating, but I understand why I'm forbidden because I've made quite a few mistakes.
Well, there's been a few incidents over. Over the years, but we're rewinding this time to the 29th of August through to the 4th of September, all the. Way back in. 2004.
Speaking of mistakes.
This moment in the life of our country will be remembered. Generations will know if we kept our faith.
We're gearing up for the election in the US, aren't we?
Yeah. And it kind of going in going insiding. Ohh I'm doing well. I think the holes filling up with water coincides with what's happening. Obviously now where they're gearing up for an election again.
Yes.
Now from breaking central, well, she and. Mel.
I don't like anything much about breakfast television, but we're still gonna talk about it.
Good morning, everyone. Welcome to sunrise. Do you like our new home?
Not really.
I like the way you do that right there. You just remember why you do that right there.
There was beef beef this time 20 years ago through.
Yes, yes.
With some wrappers, not through some wrappers. It's beefs gone through some wrappers wrappers. It's either come out of the packet or somebody who's into hip hop has had a.
Yes. Bad meal? Yes, Nelly is in the charts. And also having some beef with someone else. Interesting one.
Yeah, those stories and more tonight and today and this morning and this afternoon and in the car on T -, 20, we're off to a flying start. I'm in good form. I hate to see what happens by the time we get to the end of this one.
Yes, hey can. You call me. Can you ring my? Can you ring my mobile, please? Like, right now.
I call. OK. Yep. Alright.
Don't say the number out loud please.
No, I'm just gonna. Bring you up and dial you OK? Yep. Well, Are you ready?
Alright. You ready?
That's inspired.
I did. It you did.
Oh, oh, yes. OK, well.
You ready? And keep listening. Clean version. I found the clean version. I've done the ringtone for lean back. It's now my phone ringtone officially.
Yes. Was it now in doing so? Was it as difficult as what it used to be back in the day where you either had to ring like a 1800 number and get an 8 bit version of it, or a 0055?
Yes. That's.
Number or whatever the hell it was and pay for it. Ohh really?
That would have been easier. That would have been easier and I would have been willing to pay 20 bucks because it was a House computer job.
Really. A house? You used the house computer?
Anything when you've gotta get on the House computer, it's either because you're spending up big and you don't trust yourself to do it on your phone. You're making a.
Hmm.
Big purchase, yeah. Or it's something that's a? Pain in the really house computer equals pain.
Right, right. So you're making your own ringtones in 2024 is a pain in. The ****.
Thought it would be simple.
It would have been easier if you'd have done it in 2004.
If I just purchased the polyphonic option right? Yes. Because I had to firstly go onto the House computer and make an MP4A or an M4A.
Yeah, that's Yep.
So I had to. I had to get firstly, I had to get the song. Yes. Then I had to get the song on. The House computer.
Yes.
Then I had to make the song short enough for a ringtone and then I realised yes. So it's an MP3.
Yeah.
So you had to do some editing, yeah.
M.
And so then I needed the M4 or whatever it was, so then I had to use that switch programme and convert it and put it over on the.
Yeah.
Right.
Desktop. Yeah. And then I looked it up on a forum. I had to go into a forum and read all these questions and answers.
Are they're always great time the forums.
Don't you love it because they always just hate on people as well? So I was like ohh can't believe you gave those instructions.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Came here for the instructions, but I'm staying for the comments. Yeah. Yeah.
What's wrong with you? Yeah, yeah, they're getting angry with each other. So anyway, they said get the M4A.
Uh-huh.
They plug your phone into the house computer.
Yeah. Yeah.
And then open your phone on the House Computer and Finder and then get the M4A and drop it in. Drop it like it's hot into your iPhone and it will just appear. Yeah. So I drop it. It's not there.
Yes. Yes. What do you mean?
It's not on my phone. It's not on my phone.
Right. So how did you do it? What do you mean? How can it not be there?
So then I had to email it. I know. Right. So then I had to email it back to my phone as an MP3 and then open garage band on my phone, reedited on my phone and then garage band has a setting where you can share it as a ringtone and then it automatically puts it into your into your ringtones. So that was that's a lot.
Right. Yes. Yes. Right. And and.
Of steps.
Lo and behold, now you've got it. What's the podcast equivalent of? Too long did not read.
Now I've got it. But now I'm still not gonna answer your calls, because even if my phone's not on silent. Yeah, I'm gonna be too busy listening to lean back to answer.
He's gonna be vibing out. I. Look, I'm I I think it is it. This is a major. This is a milestone because you have had the same ringtone for ever since I. Yeah, 76 years. What?
It. Yeah. Wow. Lean back back. 76 years. Yeah, yeah, something like that. That's. How that's how long it's been. On silence.
OK, cool. Excellent. Yeah. I don't know. You've been on silent for 70.
But anyway, but it's full circle. I've come full circle with the ringtones. I'm now like making my own ringtones again. That's so 2000 and.
Yeah.
4.
I know. Do you? How do you feel? Do you feel younger?
Of your nostalgia.
For. It do you feel like you've had, like, an injection of?
Youth funniest part is it's like a 2004 song as well so.
Yeah, that you've now well, this is what happens when we do this show. I've certainly found myself up to my elbows in things from 20 years ago because it's a comfortable. Place.
It is.
I'm feeling very comfortable. What I'm not comfortable with is the fact that it doesn't matter that you've changed the ringtone, you're still not going to answer my calls, and that's OK, heaven forbid. It's an emergency.
Thick a snuggy.
I have had to contact you for an emergency on numerous occasions, a couple of emergencies. Yes. And I had to actually. And look, this is a sad series when I had to put the dog down and you weren't answering your phone. So I had to scream into the home app and and set all the home.
An emergency. Oh. I've fallen asleep.
Odds. Yeah. And I had to sit. I was like, can you call me now? I.
And then I. Thought. Thought someone breaking in the house.
Well, no. But it was equally as disturbing and traumatic. And look, this is off to a bad start. It doesn't get much better than you. Let's just like a little.
It woke. Me up startled me. Yes, it was sad. Thanks. Thanks. OK.
Bit of light. With our hatchet match and dispatched clue for this week, a celebrity who was born so no one's gonna know who they are. Who said this? Did I say said this? I meant saying this if you know who that is good for you. I have no idea. And we'll find out at the end of the show. Maybe.
I like that.
Yeah.
If you don't know, we'll do it together. We do have to tone things down a little bit here. This is a yeah, we should. Yeah. It's probably a trigger warning. This is a terrible news story that involves school children and terrorists. And it it's just.
Maybe. Bit of. Warning from this one.
Horrible, but it was big news this time 20 years ago, and that's what we're all about. So we kind of need to acknowledge the fact that it happened and then we can move on if you if you're a bit sensitive to that sort of stuff, you can skip forward in the chapters and go to the next part, the music segment, which is, I mean I I'm triggered for different reasons than that segment. But anyway this this is a. A terrible, terrible news story that takes place on the 1st of September 2000 and.
Four, it's the Beslan school hostage crisis, and it begins as armed terrorists take hundreds of school children and adults hostage in the Russian town of Beslan. The attack began on the morning of the 1st of September 2004, which is celebrated in Russia as the day of knowledge is what they call it, and it marks the start of the school year. Hundreds of parents, teachers and students gathered at what was called school number one for this ceremony.
It was the first day of term in school. Number one in Beslan in Russia, there are no classes when pupils come back from the summer, it's supposed to be a day of celebration and catching up with friends. But rebels stormed the school and forced more than 1100 children, parents and teachers into a small gym. They wanted Russian troops to leave the nearby Republic of Chechnya.
Next.
We were standing next to the school gates. I saw three people running in with machine guns. At first I thought it was a joke. Then they began shooting into the air and I ran away.
We have.
This was the start of a siege that went on for 52 hours. It was cramped and sweltering, hot in the gym with no food or drink. There were bombs taped to the wall and hanging from the ceiling. Older pupils were forced to attach explosives to the basketball hoops and children were forced to stand near the windows as human Shields.
That was news, courtesy of the BBC. That news report school number one was one of seven schools in Beslan, a town of about 35,000 people. That is a. Big town. Hmm. Massive town. 35,000 people in the Republic of North Ossetia, Alania in Russia's cold cases, the school. Was located next to the district police station and it housed approximately 60 teachers and more than 800 students.
And as we heard in that report that it was during the ceremony they stormed the school shooting into. Year and forced over 1100 people and that included around just under 800 children into the gymnasium. The number of hostages was initially downplayed by the government. They were saying it was more like 2 to 400 hostages as opposed to over 1000, and then for an unknown reason, they announced it to be exactly 350. 4 hostages the the militants quickly fortified the building as you heard, planting explosives throughout the school, positioning themselves strategically to fend off rescue attempts. And they mind the gym with improvised explosive devices. There was trip wires. It was pretty well fortified.
It the way that it was handled and and just I mean this is a massive red flag at the start of it with the inconsistency with the amount of people that they kept putting out like releasing that information it it was basically botched by the authorities and and the history will go to show that it was botched by the authorities. And there's been lots of criticism over the years.
Hmm.
So in the gymnasium where most of the hostages were held, that was recently built. So it was like 10 metres wide. 25 metres long there were reports that there were men in there disguised as repairman, and they'd smuggled weapons and explosives into the school. Earlier on, in July 2004, a fact that the authorities later denied but witnesses have. And again, this is like the information is is not consistent because there's all these witnesses saying that they were.
Hmm.
Forced to help their captors remove the weapons from. Caches hidden inside the school, so I'm not sure if they were like under the floorboards or they were built into the structure or anything cause this school it was a recent addition so they've obviously gone in, done whatever repairs, locks things away and whatnot, and and there they are.
The militants demanded the withdrawal of Russian forces from Chechnya and the recognition of Chechen independence. However, they hardly communicated with the authorities, which made the negotiations really difficult. This lasts. For three days. And the conditions were horrific. So that gym to start with is really small with over 1000 people in there.
Hmm. And hot. Very hot. So yeah, you like 20? Like think. It's basically like a 25 metre pool. It's 25 metres long, 10 metres wide. It's, that is tiny.
Yeah, that's not big. I think they had to kind of stand up a lot of the time to fit everybody.
It's basically. It's basically standing room only for 1000 people.
In they were denied food and water. It was extremely hot and obviously crowded. Several hostages were unfortunately executed as well, just to enforce discipline and to make an example of those who weren't obeying the the orders from the militants. Negotiators like I said, tried to establish communication. There was a little bit of progress, I think a few of the hostages were released.
Hmm.
But it did remain tense throughout the government announced that it wouldn't use force to rescue the. Digits and on the 1st and 2nd day they they were a bit hopeful with negotiations because they had actually requested the hostage takers had actually requested a guy called Leonid Rachal, who's a paediatrician. They'd requested him by name as a negotiator.
Yeah, yeah. But, but look, it it gets really dire and the militants threaten to blow up the school if their demands are not met. So the negotiator didn't really have a lot of effect, as time would reveal, the Russian government were under really intense pressure. They had to really think about their response, which they. Botched this is almost two years on from the the Moscow Theatre hostage crisis. Remember that one we talked about? Yes, where they decided to roll in the sleeping gas basically and and and gassed everyone in there to go to sleep. But some people had adverse reactions and other people suffocated. So there were lots of casualties there as well. And that was also militants.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
At that particular event that wanted Russian forces to withdraw from.
Yeah, yeah.
Netanya so to avoid being overwhelmed by a gas attack as their comrades did in 2002 during the theatre siege, insurgents smashed all the school's windows and then, on the second day, the gunman allowed the former president of Ingushetia, Ruslan Al Shev, to enter the school building and agreed to personally. Released to him. 11 nursing women and all 15 babies. So they were babies in there too. And they gave also a videotape that they made in the school and a note with demands from their leader, who was a guy by the name of Shamil Basayev, who was not actually present in Beslan. He wasn't there. But the existence of the note was kept secret by the Russian authorities.
Gosh.
This this whole information thing that they go go on with where they don't let anyone know anything but the tape was declared as being empty, which was wrong. So they're saying no, no, no, there's no tape. the IT was just an empty case. There was nothing in the in the tape and that was. Incorrect. That wasn't true.
Umm. Then on the third day, which is Sept. One of the third an explosion occurred inside the gymnasium, which triggered the start of a chaotic and brutal assault. The exact cause of the explosion remains disputed. Some reports said it was an accidental detonation by the militants. Others claim it was caused by Russian forces following the explosion. Russian special forces stormed the school with the support of heavy weaponry. Including tank fire and grenade. Launchers.
I mean that's that's that's not how you go in to, to take, you know, tanks and grenade launchers to a hostage situation. It's it's not gonna end well. There's a huge firefight between the militants and the rescuers.
Why would she laugh?
Most of the hostages caught in the crossfire or killed by the explosions.
The other challenge was as well, because they hadn't had any food or water that a lot of the hostages were really weak. So when this happened, they were unable to run and get out of the way as well.
Well, and I. Think that might have had something to do with the accidental detonation too? Like you got 3 days of this scene whether you sort of sleep deprived or whatever, and somebody just might have accidentally hit a button or something and boom away it goes. Or perhaps and it's it's it, this is all just a theory.
Yeah.
I don't know, maybe some of the the hostages had just decided that now it was like now or never, and and anyway, that one explosion caused all of this other stuff to happen. Yeah.
Chain reaction. Yeah. Yeah. The operation ended with the deaths of 333 hostages, including 186 children. Over 700 people were injured and all but one of the militants were killed. The surviving militant was captured and later sentenced to life in prison.
Yeah, that was a guy by the name of Napishi kuliev, the school hostage crisis in Beslan is considered. Definitely one of the worst terrorist attacks in Russian history, and it is very, very traumatic for the entire country. It's left lots of scars on the survivors, the victims and just the community in that town, in a hole in the aftermath, the government led by Vladimir Putin implemented a very strict counterterrorism. There are a whole bunch of them actually in the centralisation. Of power, which? Probably weighs in Putin's favour again because then he's got more control. So all of these things are a bit of a means to an end for old Vladimir. And I'm just, I mean, I'm just putting it. There it it also led to big changes in Russian security policies and practises once again policies and practises that may, in spite of the fact that it. Was. Botched and in spite of the fact that the information was inconsistent coming from the authorities, I still think that they would have used this. To tighten things up a little bit, I.
Think too there was something that I read about them having some information that something like this may.
Hmm.
Have occurred, so I think there was some intelligence around it as well. And I guess when you look at the, the theatre siege a couple of years earlier. You think you'd be on pretty high alert? For that kind of stuff.
Yeah, I mean the the fact is, is they didn't learn a *** **** thing from the theatre siege and they just continued on their merry way until another one happened and they made all the same mistakes all over again. Really, really bad. And and it just it. I think it also there was lots of obviously international community.
Yeah. Terrible.
Condemned that there was an outpouring of sympathy etcetera, etcetera. Hopes and prayers. You know, all of that sort of stuff. And it really highlighted that some things needed to change in Chechnya as well, but that that probably doesn't happen for quite some time. Let's move on to America on the 2nd of September.
Yes, George W Bush is formally re nominated as the Republican candidate for the President of the United States during the Republican National Convention, or the RNC held in. New York City.
This moment in the life of our country will be remembered. Generations will know if we kept our faith. And kept our word. Generations will know if we seize this moment and used it to build a future of safety and peace. The freedom of many and the future security of our nation now depend on us. And tonight, my fellow Americans, I ask you to stand with me.
Ohh, calm down everybody. I don't know that I could stand with someone who can't actually pronounce the word. Kept properly. We kept our promise. We kept it. We kept it, you know. Finders kippers.
This is a gay moment in the election campaign, as you can imagine, setting the stage for his reelection bid against the democratic. Candidate Senator John Kerry.
That's right. So he's he's the 43rd president since January 20, 2001. His first term, massive massive first term, big couple of years. Yeah, September.
He's he's had a big few years, hasn't he? Yes, I wouldn't blame him if he wanted to retire. To be honest, I'd. I'd be very tired.
Ohh no, I think he wanted to keep the. I think he wanted to keep the Forever War machine going. So September 11th, 2001 obviously big event for him and everyone in the entire world. On the planet, the, the and of course the War on Terror which you know was a big money spinner for them. There is actually more to that speech. It goes for like an hour and it's ruling.
He talks for an hour.
But he talks about how his his opposition candidate didn't want to pass a bill to allow more funding, cause it was all about supporting the troops. So it was all it was money going towards guns and bullets and body armour and all that sort of stuff. When maybe it was time to withdraw troops, although that was never. Gonna happen at this stage. I hope they had an intern.
Passion. That's a long time to be listening to someone.
Yeah, I yeah, I'd. I'd be. I'd it's. Yeah, I'd be going to the toilet. I'd be. I'd be like, I've gotta take a toilet break. Ohh. What's he talking about now? Ohh, I think he's gonna start talking about his family soon. And that's when I'll probably go to the toilet. So this all happened at Madison Square Garden in New York. One of the most famous venues in the entire world.
Talking. This is a very boring convention.
The Convention goes from August 30 to September 2nd.
Ohh it's a multi day convention.
And and the choice like it. Even the choice though, like New York City, I mean, he's coming. He's coming back to Ground Zero, you know, very symbolic, very intentional, really wanted to shine a light on the fact that he was the guy that handled all of that stuff during 911. But you know.
Yes.
Very intentional, yeah.
I'm sort of reveals that not a lot was handled particularly well. You know it's and then it's very easy to look in the rearview mirror and and and I guess criticise that. But you know, I mean, history wasn't even very kind to Bush at the time. We're all we're all a bit fed up with him and it's it's so funny when you compare it to the situation in the United States now. It's almost.
Yeah, yeah.
It's almost time. But it's still, you know, it lives are at stake. That's all I'll say. Like, lives are at stake. So lots of protests.
Hmm.
Because it was held in New York City as well, which leans more heavily towards the Democrats. There's like 10s of thousands of protesters marching against the Iraq war in New York City against these policies and against the choice of New York as the Convention site.
Hmm.
These were the largest protests ever seen at a political. Convention. And in fact, and there was a whole range of activist groups participating, including AIDS activists who staged a naked protest, there was a giant inflatable penis.
Oh, amazing. Ohh yes, you see, you could. You could call, you could give it a nickname. You. Could have called it Dick Cheney. Hmm. Yeah.
Well, that's I think that's what it was. And and then obviously, lots of Bush jokes off the back of whoopie's joke and the rude mechanical orchestra performed. So I don't know what the rude mechanical orchestra is, but that sounds great. Sounds great.
Hmm. Yes. I'm intrigued. I'm intrigued. That's I'm gonna dig a little bit deeper after the show to find out what the.
Put that one in the play.
Lift.
Yeah, rude mechanical orchestras. So lots of keynote speakers there. Rudy Giuliani. Arnold Schwarzenegger was a keynote speaker there, which was surprising. John McCain, McCain, you've done it again. Not that McCain, Brooks and Dunn perform their hit song only in America and I.
Maybe not a ringtone though. Yes.
Follows.
I mean, that's funny, because when we say only in America, it has a completely different connotation and they had all of this wonderful catering, New York, delicate bagels, pastrami sandwiches. How good a pastrami sandwiches from New York cheesecake and a whole bunch of comfort foods. But they also had.
New. Delicacies. Yum.
Yes.
Had salad and grilled chicken just for anyone who wanted healthy options, which I think is very considerate. You know, I don't know that Trump would have done that. He Trump certainly wouldn't have had a vegan option. I don't think at any of his rallies. Doesn't he? No, I would assume that as well. I'm not entirely sure, but I would work on the assumption that he's not a vegan fan. His conventions would be very different.
What's? That's polite. It's very polite. No. No, I don't think he likes vegans. No, I would assume he. Doesn't.
Yeah. Hmm.
Yes, I think so. Do you think that you know? I'm thinking conventions. You usually have a trade show. Do you mind if there's any booths there? Handing out promo products like pens and bottled water tonight?
Well. Maybe. Maybe I mean at that time in 2004, New York City, I mean, there's lots of trinkets that are sold in on street corners in New York. Anyway, I think they're definitely be a T shirt booth.
Mouse mats.
Hmm.
Yeah.
But just very exciting, you know, and then you get.
Yeah, they'd have to. Be yes.
Your political buttons. So there'd be definitely emerged. There's definitely emerge stand.
Maybe a flag merch? Yeah, maybe. You get a signed poster or something.
Look, anything could happen, although I don't think you'd be able to get close enough. You know, maybe you could get some Brooks and Dunn merch as well. Yeah, we got T-shirts. I'm sure you do all of those sort of things just over by the cheesecake.
9. Yes. Hmm. Stall. Yes. Hmm. OK, that doesn't sound too bad. Now, there's a cheesecake store. Maybe I'll go.
No, no. What did sound bad? Was Bush laying out his vision for a second term? I mean, just the the concept of that gave me chills, emphasising themes of national security, the ongoing fight against terrorism and preventing freedom and democracy around the world. The thing is, is he just? Had so many strong platforms to stand on so many hills to die on that it was, I think it was very easy for him to win the support of everybody.
Hmm.
Were you back in back in 2004, though, were you surprised that he got back? In. Or did you? Did you think he would?
No, I wasn't surprised. But I was depressed.
I was surprised. Yeah. And I was surprised because that's. Yeah, that's what made me think he wouldn't get back in. And after, you know, the Michael Moore Docos and and all that stuff that was happening, the Dixie Chicks spoke out against him and just the and that's. I think that's the thing, like over here in Australia, we saw how we reacted to it.
After all the protests, right? Yeah. Yeah.
And I feel like we were quite strongly against what was happening over here.
Yeah.
Probably more so than over there, so I was surprised that he got back in.
Now look, I think too it's and it it's a very good illustration that has only become more pronounced these days. Especially look at Trump getting in a big separation between the opinion of the people versus the opinion that the media are trying to give to you.
I didn't think he would. Yeah, with social media.
Yes.
Yeah.
And so so there was a lot of and it depends on what sort of media you consume as well. So like Fox News obviously would have been.
Definitely.
All for the guy, but you know some of the other outlets and some of the other media outlets that we were following, I mean, if you watch the ABC in Australia, they are a bit more left leaning. So they were all like protests and this and that and lots of dissatisfaction with Bush. But I think at the end of the day they were like he was, yeah, the, the, the big crutch that I think. He had was absolutely. Finishing what he started in Iraq and and and even even down to not even the INS and outs and the nuances of that. Because if you dug a little bit deeper and you did a little bit of research, you probably go well. He didn't do a very good job there. He handled it really poorly. He could probably easily get enough information to form that opinion. But it's patriotism that I think got him across the line.
Yeah.
Yeah. Hmm.
Yeah, cause they had. The the Commission as well into 911 and that that didn't paint him in a very good light, did it, and that that had all come out earlier.
Yeah, yeah. In the year as well, yes and no. And I just think it's just I think it's the military side of things that things that really got him there and the fact that he was president. During 9/11 and maybe there's a bit of insecurity there, maybe it's like, well, we just wanna go with what we know. We don't want any upheaval at the moment. You know, the status quo has kind of been restored. Things are coming back to normal. Everyone feels a lot safer. And they did feel a lot safer. And maybe that's why you stuck around for another term.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, possibly.
Oh my goodness it that's just a terrible waking news. A terrible waking news. So let's just.
What are you doing?
What am I? Doing yes. What you're listening to right now is obviously the very famous traditional Greek tune Zorba.
Yes.
And this was being performed at the closing ceremony of the 2004 Athens Summer Olympics, and this was one of the highlights where they all did the Zorba.
No.
And how much fun? Is it to do the Zora?
It is at a Greek wedding, but it when it starts getting faster and faster. Yeah, I get a bit panicked. Ohh no, I get nervous and there's always. There's always an Ant that slips in someone's beer and **** over ****.
At A at a great at a great. Ohh it's delightful. Yeah, there's gonna be a funniest home videos moment. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yes. Yes, indeed. And with the Greeks, it's usually a big **** and a big pair of ticks as well. If I'm being honest, you know, I'm going to get in trouble for that one. So conclusion of the Summer Olympic Games paying tribute to the athletes, the host city, the spirit of the Olympics.
You are, yes.
Another massive highlight, Nana Mouskouri perform.
Not Nana. Mouskouri was like people used to make jokes about her all the time, and I used to feel bad for her. I.
Yeah. Thanks.
Think it was. It was it. Her glasses. And if you had?
Yeah, yeah. The the ivory rim glasses.
And yeah, which is now totally cool.
She's pretty cute. Not in the stereo, really. Yeah.
I thought she was.
Fine. And people were so mean to her, yeah.
Very cute, I think. I think she had a renaissance with hipsters and I think the Greek Olympics probably helped that a lot. Big parade of athletes, they extinguished the Olympic flame mate symbol that marks the official end of the game.
Yes, patron St of the hipster. Ohh. It's always a bit sad, isn't it?
And as they did that, the stadium had a massive fireworks display. Surprise, surprise, Jacques Rog delivered a speech praising the Athens Games as unforgettable and dream.
Hmm.
Games unforgettable comma dream games. You'll notice there was no best games ever. No best games ever.
No best games ever. That was still, and I remember very clearly very clearly, all of us had Australia.
Sorry, grace. Still us.
Just being like, what's he gonna say? What's he gonna say? Yes, not the best. Not the best. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. Stick that in your souvlaki grease. They handed the flag over to the Mayor of Beijing, China. Who was the host city for the 2008 Summer Olympics, thus ending. Listen to them. They.
Not the best, not the best.
We're still number one, number one.
Still going? It's always.
A little bit sad when you get to. The closing ceremony. You feel a bit of emotion, I've. Gotta watch the closing ceremony from. Time rounds silver watched this. Yeah. See, this is where I'm getting stressed this.
Ohh yes listen. Listen to how hectic that sober is. Getting that yeah, people are gonna start falling over.
Is where I'm. Like OK, someones gonna slip any second now?
Thankfully, they didn't do it at the start, with all the athletes cause you know. Could have been. Injuries and stuff. So. Yeah. Yeah. We haven't seen the closing ceremony for.
Yes.
Yes, cause Snoop Dogg I knew Snoop was doing something, but I think Dre did something as.
Yeah. And it was like, you know, three, I think it started at like 5:00 in the morning, our time or whatever. And then Tom Cruise jumped off the the roof of it and drive up front of motorcycle with a flag and all of that sort of stuff. I mean, yeah, well, you know, I mean, they didn't do much. They just gave the flag to the mayor of Beijing.
Well, I heard. That kind of was a bit of. Was. A little bit over, but I was still a. Little bit sad, you know, like oh. Leave it's over already. What are we gonna do now? My most spoke.
I said. Here you go. And then he he basically took it behind, whatever their Iron Curtain or their equivalent of the Iron Curtain is and disappeared. That was it. We didn't hear anything till 2008 summer.
Yours mate, off you go.
Olympics. Remember that. Too, and the bird's nest and all of that stuff in Beijing, everyone was really worried about Beijing and the Olympics and the health and the, you know. Yeah.
OK, well you can chat about that in four years.
I just think you know, I know it's, you know, the Greek, the the conclusion of the Greek Olympics. Yeah. Like, I mean that just would have been a total root fest anyway.
Ohh, you're still going OK. Yes.
All of those athletes closing ceremony, fireworks, dancing absorber.
Is that when it happens? I thought they get it all throughout the whole I thought the whole. Games was just a root fest.
Couple of well, yeah, I think after your events done then you know then it's time to really get busy.
Well, maybe a pre event **** might help with your form. Isn't that isn't that a?
I I just I I don't know. I just think that the effects of the Uzo and you know, all the, you know, the air would have been thick in the Summer Olympics. It would have been hot, steamy summer nights in Greece, fireworks, Uzo, Souvlaki.
Thing.
So.
You wanna make sure some. There's a lot of garlic and great food, though. You'd wanna pack a whole.
Sweaty dancing.
Bunch of tic tacs.
Ah.
You're right.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I'm OK. Sure. Yeah. OK. Yeah. It's starting to sound like an usher song. So let's. Get into music.
What a great lady, and we'll start with the number one in the UK this week, 20 years ago, these words Natasha.
Bedingfield, nothing. I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you.
Ohh, we love you Tash.
Ohh we do. Let's jump over to the US and have.
Right.
A listen to top five there.
You got me going crazy. And.
2.
Lean back, lean back, lean back.
I think you got a.
Phone call. Hello, you there? You there? No. Ohh OK.
No, you're in silent. That's right. Of course, every time. Every time give me the lowdown. What was all of that about?
Lean Back Terror Squad, which does include Fat Joe #1 sunshine was that little flip and Leah? Yes, goodies Sierra. Not Sierra. Staying in the jar.
Yeah, little yeah.
Ohh, they're yeah. They're staying in the jar, not getting the goodies they're staying in. Yeah.
My place, which we'll come back to in a moment and turn me on Kevin Little with a Y. So my place, new song into the top five from Meler. Yes. Wasn't that like? A book week Australian book in the 80s.
Yes, Sally Morgan. My place completely different, yes.
Nana Sally Morgan. It was Nadia Wheatley.
My place? I thought it was Sally Morgan, wasn't it?
My place, Nadia, we. No. Nadia Wheatley I. Think no.
Sally Morgan. My place.
Maybe she was the illustrator now Nadia Waitley and Donna Rollings my play.
Yeah. Ohh ********. Ohh. God.
I think it was in. The 80s. Really, I remember it in the library at Saint Thomas. OK, my place. Yes, well.
Who's Sally Morgan? Then? Where did that come from? You know, sometimes.
Who is Sally Morgan? Is that the? Is that the alcohol? No, that's Captain Morgan.
No. You know, sometimes when you're just like.
Like you said it so confidently.
Yeah, I'm sure it was. No Aboriginal author Sally Morgan. In my place, this is the my place that I know autobiography, written by Sally Morgan in 1987, which was about her as an indigenous person wanting to know about her past. Thank you very much.
What's your my place? Oh, we had different. We'd had different marketplaces. This one was about Sydney. The history of a particular piece of land in Sydney through the stories of various children who've lived there. Maybe Sally was one of the various children who lived there.
My places, I guess there's perhaps. I know, I know the. In I think like year 11 or 12 my place was in the curriculum and it was the Sally Morgan version.
Ohh, OK well my my place was primary school, right? So yours was a high school. My place different. My places. Nellies one different again. So there's three my places now that we've covered.
Yeah, yeah.
Nelly, different again. Entirely, yes. And probably. Look, I think Nelly might be a bit of a come down from literature as well. I mean, this is a guy that thinks that you say there there's there's an extra there. It's like there, there there and there. Yes.
Can you please?
Sir.
My place over there.
Come on over.
Take a seat.
This is like, that's just such a like, do you wanna come up for coffee?
Oh.
You know, it's kind of like, do you do you do you know what I mean? Like, what would you?
Netflix and chill.
MMM.
Like to drink? I thought we were having coffee.
I've missed Nelly. It's been a while since we've had Nelly in the charts. Hasn't.
Have you? Yeah, well, yes, it has been a while since Nellie's been.
Missed him? Missed him.
In the charts.
Do you like Nelly features? Jaheim and female backing vocals are provided by Kim Johnson, not our Kim Johnson from dancing with. The stars, I should clarify. Different Kim Johnson, I think our Kim Johnson.
Yes, different Kim Johnson.
And why? Like Kevin Little actually?
Right. Was that the? Was that Kim Johnson from the was she in?
Dancing with the stars? No, she's in dancing with the stars. And remember, she was. She danced with Tom and then they started dating. And then she danced with someone else. And I think they got married. She because then she went over to America, I think she.
The Henderson kids. She wasn't a Henderson kid. Right. Ohh.
Danced. There's someone in America who was very famous and I was like, ohh, go act him you're dancing. With someone very.
Yeah. Good on you, Kim. Well done.
Famous, but that's not who's singing on my. Place. Is it different?
I should have really quit with Sally Morgan, but.
Different Kim Johnson, were you encouraged this? So this is from Nellie's 2004.
Anyway, yes, yes. Diagram.
Album suit yes. The track is a blend of hip hop and R&B and was released as the lead single from the album. But what I'm interested in, and I'd forgotten about this beef, I love rapper beef, so ah, so good.
You love rapper beast. That's some good. Just be careful. Hey, say that, OK? I mean, if I was a more insecure husband, I'd I'd take offence at that.
When they're fighting, OK, not OK. I didn't say pork. I said look like when they're fighting. I like when rappers fight. Wouldn't pork be more like cause you're insinuating? Relations. So wouldn't pork be the more appropriate meat to be saying than beef?
Let's we don't need to run. We we don't need to, we don't need to unpack it. We don't need to unpack.
It leave it cry of that. OK, keep it.
Like, yeah, we just gave it out. I mean, probably at least it wasn't chicken. You'd be like, I love rapper.
In the pack. I like it when they fight with each other, right? That you're happy.
Good. OK. Yes. You like it? When rappers have a little spat, little schoolyard spat. So yeah, it's always like, you know, they're cause they're full of bravado, aren't they? They stick their chest out and they run around the yard like a roof.
Yes, little ***** fives.
Yeah.
Like and they crow like.
At each other. I like it when it's silly fighting, like like when 50 Cent bought all the tickets to Drew's concert. That was good. I like that. I like it and I like it when they're just being *******, not when they shoot each other and they get violent. I don't like that.
And. And.
Yeah. That was funny. That was very funny. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, that's like you've gone too far. Like, yes, you had good material. This beef is giving you material. You're helping each other out really.
I just like it. I just. It when it's ******.
Yeah.
Well, that yeah, that too. And maybe a lot of it was potentially staged and and potentially this one too. Was it was around this time 20 years ago that Nellie and another rap star from Saint Louis Chingar.
Ohh, are they both from the same town right?
Yes, and they both had roots with the Saint lunatics. So remember, Nelly was in Saint Lunatics. And then Nelly did stuff for Saint Lunatics.
I was, you know, a part of the Saint Lunatics. I thought you meant. They were having sex with the Saint.
Chingy was somehow.
Lunatics. No. When you said roots, but that's just the Australian in me coming in. Right, OK.
History history. I don't think Chingy was in Saint Lunatics, but somehow affiliated. Ohh my goodness. Set your mind out.
Instantly. Yes, sorry, it's just the rest of things, it's really.
Of the gutter. So they're having a.
Weighing on my mind.
They're having a ***** fight because Nelly appeared to be demanding respect from Chingy because I think I think he felt. I think he felt Chingy was you.
Yes. Yes, I demand your respect, tiggy. I was here first.
Know strapping off. Him.
Riding his coattails.
Yes. And according to Chee, there was a sense that Nelly and the Saint Lunatics didn't fully support him or his success.
Is this because of the the the there, there there and there. So it's like they're there?
Well, they, well, they both do the ERS, don't they hunt on her? Her force ones right there. So maybe Nelly just had because he stole the. UR. Ur can I have my ur back please.
It's OK. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Right there. The UR. Yeah. Give me back my ears. I was the first one to do the Earth. I was first to do the ERS.
1st.
I should have tried mocked the herbs because now this little upstart has stolen them.
Now this guy called Chinga Ling is right there doing his ears and everyone's just erring on the side of caution.
But then they have, well, it's not even. It's not even diss tracks. They they remix their own songs and pay each other out.
Well, that just leads me to believe that it's all, you know, hotter. Ohh, that's not the one.
It's over there.
I like the way you do that right there. You just remember why you do that right there.
That's all I said.
I could have said the way you do that right there, why you do that right there. You do that right. You just remember why you do that right there.
I was like, well, that's how you feel. I'm gonna say something.
Hip hop.
This boat, you know, I'm saying like you just this big king or something like I I need to just. Recognise or something.
Wow, that takes a little bit of skill though. So instead of just saying mean things about each other, they take they take their words and they remix them into their own songs. I that's a lot of effort for a *****.
That's pretty good.
Yeah.
What? But.
I agree. I I think it is. There is a lot of effort there, it's got some merit to it.
What?
I don't understand with rappers is when they accuse each other of being sellouts. Now they on one hand, on one hand, they accuse each other of being sellouts, but on the other hand, there's this whole side.
Yeah, that's a big insult, isn't it?
To it's where you've got to show off your riches and how much money you've made and how profitable you are and how wealthy you are and how how much of A gangster you are because you are so wealthy.
Your cars and your ******* and your things.
Right. Yeah. There. So how come? Being a sellout is bad because I would have thought that the sellout being a sellout is the culmination of acquiring all of that wealth of getting all your treasures, trinkets and yeah.
Of your treasure? Well, yes. Yes, I don't know that is that does seem to be.
It's odd, isn't it?
A big if you were, if it was like if.
If you were in a a shoe gazing grunge band or something like that, then you know and and and you were wearing like flannelette and just some ripped jeans and some converse all stuff. And then all of a sudden, you know, you're wearing, like, sequinned Adidas track suits and big gold chains and carrying a pinch.
And then you get sponsored by Lowe's and then someone goes, you're a sellout.
Up. That is, that is what I would call a.
That's.
Sell out. I would be a sellout anyone would sponsor.
Yeah.
Me. No. OK. Wouldn't sell out.
Sure, yeah, absolutely we will. I tell you, let's throw it out there. We will sell out tomorrow.
What about Winnie Blues? Would you be sponsored by Winnie Blues? Would you sell out that much?
By a cigarette company by a tobacco company? Yep. Yeah, it would. It depends on how much they're. Gonna give us? This this podcast brought to you by Winfield Blue. Don't. Yeah. Like, don't believe everything that they tell your kids. Smoking is actually good for you. No, I don't think I could do that. I don't think that. I don't think I could do that. It's like, yeah, no, I.
No, OK, you read it. You read it.
Yes, probably the.
It's that's back. Back to Nelly and Chingy. Yes, so in 2014, so the the food goes on for some time 2014 Chingy publicly.
It's like a decade long feud.
Apologises. 20 years later. Sorry, Nellie. During an interview with Vlad TV.
Uh-huh. Vlad TV. Ohh, it's it's. It's Russian. Welcome to Vlad TV. Ah.
What's?
He says that he expresses regret over how the situation had been handled, and he acknowledged that it may have been blown out of proportion. Chingy admitted that the food was unnecessary and it had hurt both of their images, especially since they both represented Saint Louis.
Hmm.
Well, coming up next on Vlad TV, my favourite gang. The bloods. Ah, that's. Terrible. That's really terrible. I'm glad that they squashed their beef, which again sounds painful. Squish their Burr. That's good. That's good that they're friends.
Thank you. I think they're friends now. Yes, it's good, but. I do. I do like I do like that.
Wouldn't they have had to get promotion to to use each other's songs anyway when they were doing that? I guess not, cause they're they're just using the lyrics.
Well, when it when it's but you're allowed to.
That's not a doctor Seuss book, either. That's The Lorax.
It's not. It's not infringement if it's Satter.
Sattler, you're I love the way you do the Satter. Hmm. It's getting really hot in her. Do you know? Do you know where what's happening with Nelly now? Just like a little while ago.
Allowed to then. Saturn ohh. Well, he he he's back with the Ashanti and they're having a baby. Well, I don't know if they used to be together, but they're together now. And I just think that's the most beautiful full circle 2000s moment. And she's having his baby.
Yeah, well, he's toured recently, and that doesn't mean he's taken it. That's how Nellie would say toured. He's turd. Recently, he's been on a turd.
Ohh that's.
OK.
Yeah, he's been touring and and a lot of people were looking at footage of him when he was live and his face is.
Yes. Did he still have the band? Aid.
Big yeah. Big smile on his face. And his eyes were kind of.
Still has the band aid. Well, he's a happy guys about to become a dad or mate. No, he'd.
Yeah, we're very wide eyed and everybody was like what's going on with Nelly. And there's nothing too much going on with Nelly. He's.
Be a dad by now. Yes. Bright lights.
Just on the. Pingers Ohh had a couple of pingers. Yeah, he's been on. He did get busted. He got busy.
Ohh dear, did you get busted?
Said well, he was accused of possessing illegal drugs during a search by a, quote unquote, overzealous officer, overzealous officer. Yeah.
What's a? What's an overzealous officer?
Well, that's what his lawyer said anyway. So the lawyer was so he was found. He was. They did a search on the Highway Patrol.
Overzealous. He handsy. Was he handsy during the search?
I guess so. Don't search. Yeah, so allergically the the Highway Patrol. Pull him over and they get 4 pingers. They find 4 ecstasy pills on him. Yeah, his real name is. John Nelly, do you know what Kelly's real?
Name is John. What is it?
John, no, not John. Funnily enough, that's very white name, John. I don't know why.
I'm just John. It's just my go to name for some reason. I don't know.
Cornell Haynes, junior Cornell. Cornell Haynes junior. He was arrested for no proof of insurance from 2018 on a warrant issued in December 2023, when he was pulled over, he said no notice.
Call. Now. Yes, I had heard that.
And then he was targeted by, according to his lawyer, an overzealous out of line officer who searched him. He said that Nelly had won several casino jackpots, or jerk perts at a venue in Saint Louis that he frequently vers. It's yeah. And then when he went to collect his winning, the officer who would have supervised the. The transaction ran a search for his warrants and then found out that he had outstanding warrants for no proof of insurance and whatever and they hand. Left him in the casino. It wasn't the Highway Patrol. It wasn't the Highway Patrol, the Highway Patrol and the casino as well. I'm not sure why, but.
So he was just taking in his coins to get. His notes from. This is a very confusing story.
Yes. And then they they arrested him at 4:45 in the morning on a Wednesday, and then they searched him and they found four ecstasy pills on him. And then he was, yes.
Ohh Nelly, you're you're about to be a dad or you're. Already a dad somewhere.
Yeah, well, you know, he obviously, just maybe he's just trying to, you know, he knows that he's that he's partying, days are numbered and he's just tried it, you know, 4:45 AM minutes. You've seen him.
He's lost horror.
4:45 AM in a casino with four ecstasy pills on him. When he Ashanti, he's probably at home either with a baby on the way or looking after the baby Nellie sounds like a deadbeat dird.
Nothing good is happening at 4:45.
AM and if it's, you know miss boards disappears.
Well, Nelly. Well, deadbeat dirt or not, he was also #1 here in Australia with my place we're playing. Let's play it again. I like it.
Alright.
Just just take a seat.
Ohh that's nice.
Let me ease your mind, girl. How your girl's mind is not at ease if you're at a casino at 4:45 AM and getting body served with four ecstasy pills on your body. Exactly. Ridiculous. I don't know how overzealous anyone is at 4:45 AM, but if they've got 4.
By an overzealous traffic policeman. Well, they.
Thing is, I feel like the person with the four pingers is probably more overzealous than the officer big Big albums this week. It's an album blowout. It's like.
Working. Lots, lots and lots of albums. So many that I just figured we'll just say the album, who it's by and play as pay a little bit of a snippet because we don't have enough.
Right. Alright.
Time to talk. About each of the too much work.
Cool. Let's do that.
I need to say. The album that. Would be. I thought you were gonna play. You had your finger on a button there. And I just thought you're about to press something. I didn't wanna interrupt your pressing.
Helpful. I didn't. I just didn't want to go off prematurely.
Alright, we'll start with killing Heidi's album killing Heidi, featuring the single I am.
Nobody.
I liked that they went. They went a little bit darker on that.
Yes, I did.
Album. Self titled killing Heidi, they they really backed themselves in. I think they split up soon after that or I don't know if they split up soon up they just kind.
Yep.
Drifted off into uh, obscurity, but they were a great Aussie pop band and I think I think a little bit underrated. I wouldn't. Well, they've been touring recently. They've been doing stuff recently on and off, on and off. Yeah, I'd love to see them come back. Queuing. Heidi. Yeah, great little Aussie band.
I like them, yeah. Perfect. Well, 20 year reunion. Yeah, retour the.
Sure, sure.
Uh-huh. I love this album Papa Roach getting away with murder featuring this single scars.
I sold myself too much. Remind us that the past is real.
I don't mind Papa Roach. I I think Papa Roach kind of underrated.
I remember you used to play this song.
Yeah, big fan of Papa Roach. I really like to Kobe their singer. I think he's got a lot of energy. He's a fantastic live front man. I think I've mentioned that before. They're live in Chicago. DVD is fantastic. He's just jumping around that.
20 years ago.
Days the entire time, I think he might have gone and got one and now he's pingers. But it's it's. Wonderful. It's really wonderful.
He's very fun. I follow him at the moment on Instagram and. I just. He's just. He's got a lot of he does a lot of gratitude post.
Seems like a nice fella.
He does seem like a lovely guy. I don't know if he's maybe quit the alcohol or something, but he's doing a lot of I think he has and he's doing a lot of gratitude posts all the time and what he's thankful for and he's always talking about his family. He did a he did a collab the other day with.
Yeah, he has.
Ohh with someone who was an idol on American Idol, beautiful blonde, maybe country singer. What was her name? Right? I don't know. But they were singing together. Beautiful, beautiful. Go and have a look.
Really. Is that?
Hmm. Yeah.
Yeah, they're pretty great. I mean, I think they're underrated in the whole new metal movement, but they kind of sustained a lot longer than a lot of other.
I think they copped a.
Yeah.
Didn't they at the time, I think they did.
Maybe. Yeah. I I I mean last resort made a massive comeback thanks to TikTok. And Jorts and jorts. This is my arsin jorts. Yes, another album here from the Mighty Lamb of God. This was a bit of a breakthrough for them. This really put them under the noses of a lot of people. Ashes of the wake, which features and anyone who's played the Guitar Hero would know this one laid to rest.
Right, that's all yours.
Now. Right.
That musical interlude brought to you by throats Tees.
Remember throttles 30s? Yes.
Yeah, the Jelly kind of.
I've. Yeah. No. I've always preferred butter menthols.
Yeah, Soothers, soothers are good.
Soothers. Yeah, but the the bit in the middle. If you chewed it and the bit in the middle came out, it always feel like a punch in the face. This bit too strong.
Yeah, yeah.
Of the flavour is menthol explosion. Hmm. Yeah, see. But but if you.
It was a bit too much. I would prefer butter. Menthols. Butter menthols in the box, not butter menthols in the packet with the individual wrappers. A little round. Boxed butter menthols. When we did swimming, if we did good swimming, we were allowed to get a lolly afterwards and for some reason I'd choose butter menthols as my lolly. Yeah, any lolly or chips? And I'm getting butter menthols for this. Loved it. Butter. Menthol after chlorine, chef kiss.
Right. She's putting mentals strong with you. You're a weirdo. That's very strange.
Fantastic combination. Don't knock it till you try.
It I'm down next time I go to the pool.
Umm.
Yeah, but it's gotta be the bottom of those in the box. The round little round ones, not the square ones.
It gets above it. I think you'd be getting red frogs at the pool and Mel's getting butter menthols. I was going to question your taste, but you married me. So actually, yeah, I'm still gonna do that lever. Got ashes awake. That was great. That was the album before they. Well, they they certainly had a lot of buzz about them at that stage.
Button and thumbs.
Which?
Not really. The punch them through the ceiling and then the next album after that for them. If God was going.
You've got a a range of their shirts, haven't you?
To be absolutely huge. Our Lamb of God the shirts.
Yeah, I feel like I've seen many, like not going out shirts, T-shirts you've got.
No, I don't have any Lamb of God T-shirts, Mel.
I'm sure you had one.
No. No.
What was the one that someone called? Unity cause it was really big.
That wasn't a Lamb of God T shirt. What was that shirt?
That man of.
What was that? I thought that was.
Lamb of God who called it. 90 Cause you bought like 10 sizes too big is when we worked at the radio station and someone we worked with.
Because I'm body conscious.
So you'll be good. On.
That was not a Lamb of God shirt, I don't know, but it was. Ohh maybe no.
If it. Too big?
What was it? OK.
Well, let's move on then. Was it a dancing shirt?
Definitely not left. Could have been a dancing shirt, his album circle of snakes came out this time 20 years ago, featuring the song skim Carver about a serial killer with a fascination for human pelts.
Marvin's dancing.
Oh.
No. That, that, that doesn't sound good, that that was not Danzig's finest hour. And I love Danzig. I'm a massive fan of Danzig. His first three albums are just phenomenal and everything.
I like that Mother's song.
Did with the Misfits was great and Sam Hayne was great skin cover, I don't think is one of his finest hours, but I still have time for Dancy.
If you make a song about human pelts, though.
Ah, he was always into horror themes in gore and all of that sort of stuff. I mean, don't don't go and Google the lyrics for last caress by the Misfits if you think that one's bad.
It's interesting.
That. But you know, I think you can. I think everyone should make time for Danzig. OK, yeah. Mastodon released their second album, Leviathan. Ohh. My God. This album is a classic. This is one of it's this. This comes in and out of my top ten. I forget about it. And then I hear it again and I go ohh my goodness. And because it was a concept album that was loosely based on the novel Moby Dick, and it featured this amazing song and just. The drums. The drums for Mastodon. The technicality. The precision of the guitar playing everything. It ticks all the boxes. They are. They are musicians, musicians, Mastodon. They are an amazing band. This is iron Tusk. I mean, it sounds like you're out at sea and you're about to spear a giant white whale. They are phenomenal. They love Mastodon so much. If you if even if you're not a metal fan, but you appreciate. Music played to absolute perfection. Mastodon are the band for you. We've seen them on numerous occasions on our honeymoon over in the states, twice here in Austria.
MHM.
Oh yeah, they're just a great, great band. They they don't talk a lot in between their songs, but there's just something about the power coming off the stage at a Mastodon show that is ohh they are, they are. They are incredible. Anyway, let's that's enough for albums over the music news.
They are. Lots of power coming often.
Oh.
Ohh so much power.
What a comedown.
Coming, you'll feel MTV Video Music awards stage as well, because we had those on the 29th of August. It was the 21st edition held in Miami.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes, they had to change locations.
Because of the RNC in New York, the Republican National Convention.
Republicans. Yeah, there was George Bush. There was. Bush up in New York.
The pasta too much pastrami going on, so they hoofed it over to Miami instead.
Yeah. That's right, Bush in New York and a whole bunch of weeks in. My. I mean.
Ohh come on.
There was.
One video of the year, thank you, faraya Usher. Yeah, one best male video.
Ohh, that's good. Yeah, I love outcast. Yeah. Uh-huh. I mean, that's just purely from the amount of time in the charts alone. He would need to have. Won that, yes. Yeah, not. Yes, it's called. Yeah. Yes, yes, yes, yes.
Beyoncé. Yeah.
Ah yes, what? Yes.
Beyoncé. He's naughty girl. One best. Yes, I know. No, it wasn't the new Tetris version. What was the new Tetris called? We figured it.
I don't remember, but yeah. No, what a shame.
Out what was it called?
I can't remember.
No, I can't either. Ohh it's gone. Anyway, there was a surprise appearance by Shaquille O'Neal. Apparently people love that. I don't understand why? What did Shaquille was did was Shaquille O'Neal. Like, had he gone into hiding or something? Like. Yeah, I know. But like.
I don't know how Shaquille O'Neal could surprise anyone with the size that he is diesel. Shaquille O'Neal, well, he just. He just showed up and he went surprised and then went ohh. I gotta chat.
But everybody was like ohh my God shack attack. Like what's?
Yeah. Well, have you heard? Well, he's not. And because he did have a music career for a while, like a little while, remember he tried to rap and it kinda he kind of didn't do it for me because there was one line in one of his rap songs.
Ohh yeah.
That went Knickknack shack attack give a dog a bone and I just went. Holy crap. Like, you know, you accuse Chingy of stealing from nursery rhymes like it doesn't get much more blatant than that. Yes, but no one's gonna argue with him because it's Shaquille O'Neal surprise.
Nice.
A monster among men's huge, yes.
Surprise.
Shaq. Yeah, Kanye got the because Maroon 5 won best new artist and he didn't. This is the start of Kanye Arking up at Music Awards. Yeah. Yeah, we still gotta still got a few years for Tay tape. This is where it all started.
Not not handling Music Awards surveys, particularly the VMA's. But do you reckon he went at school assemblies? You know, when he didn't get the merit certificate for? I don't know. Whatever.
When he didn't get the merit. Yeah.
Attendance, you know.
We all know my drawing was the best. Yeah.
Yes, I had the best school project of all time all time. It's like mate, you know, heaps of kids have made volcanoes. You're not the.
Yeah.
Only one maybe. He was the kid that started the participation award, cause maybe they just got sick of him arching up and there was like.
That would have been a really good strategy for the VMA.
Let's just start and. Give them all an award so Kanye shuts the.
Give Kanye A participation award at the VMA's.
Thanks. Thanks for participating, mate.
Maybe they can have novelty events. Kanye won the Egg and Spoon Rice this year. That'll be good.
Now go and sit down egg and spoon.
Rice.
Or the blowing up balloons and then you have to sit on them and pop them. That was the most horrible novelty event.
Very nice. Yeah.
Ever hated that?
Yeah. Well, when you tied tied your legs together, the three legged race, yeah.
Tied the lads together and I'd always be with someone that was so slow.
Yeah. The funny thing is, is Shack was in the three legged race but he didn't have. To tie anyone's leg to him. What I'm saying there is he's got a massive. Yeah. Yeah. OK, good.
Yes, yes, we all got that. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for. R Kelly performed a dramatic medley from his trapped in the closet.
Should have kept him there, really. Trapped in the closet.
People, everyone was confused. Everyone was very confused because I think he was acting. He was acting it out as a bit of pantomime.
Right.
Hmm.
Of performance art. I don't know what.
Art imitating life, perhaps? Who knows? And.
I don't know. And then we all started to get suss on Ashley Simpson because.
Ohh is she live? Isn't she live?
There was a lot of rumours that she wasn't live at at this one. That's where they yeah, was started and then we.
Wow.
All know what happened.
No. Are people live at the VMA's? I think there's a lot of mining that happens at.
I would have thought there's a fair bit, but this guy, this guy over here, definitely not mine.
The VMA's isn't there. Yeah. Right, who?
The one you're gonna press the button for. Yes, that was a.
Ohh I'm gonna you want me to press something. OK, well, OK.
Hint.
Do so, Twitter. Hey. My house being ridiculous and the club looking so good.
Yes.
What? Birthday.
Yeah. Yeah, that was, yeah. So I should have done confessions. And then he's got his shirt off and he's singing to himself in the mirror for confessions. Right.
Just put a shirt on mate.
That's ursher and I didn't.
Did he rip his singlet off? Did he start with a singlet and then go no shirt? Or did he start no shirt?
I. I don't know. I I I skip forward to the ludicrous bit, but he smashes he's he smashes the mirror with the microphone stand that he's singing into for confessions and and the whole world just went the seven years bad luck, mate like.
On purpose of accidents.
But.
What are you doing? And then and then? Like what? OK, Little John comes out and the crowd loses their mind. And then Ludacris walks out and does his little fit.
He just screams.
I thought he said he came down on the was he suspended or something? Didn't. Did some people hanging off the roof and flipping around it, I don't know.
I don't know, no. Did he? Not sure. Ohh. So hung up on the the seven years. Bad luck for usher.
I just. I'm just. You just couldn't notice anything else.
Yes.
I just I'm obsessed with ludicrous at the moment. I just can't get over it. I just think he's. Amazing.
You like Ludacris. You're a fan of Ludacris.
I love Luke I. I just. Spring rolls are unpredictable. I just. I'm obsessed.
Yeah, I like his. I I like ludacris's music. I think it's fun. It's really fun.
What about when he did hot, hot ones where he ate the wings? It just seems like a nice guy. There's just there's something about him. He's just a nice he seems like a nice dude.
We did the wings. Yeah. He's good on hot ones. Yeah. Yeah. Seems like it. You know, he'll. He'll do. He'll sing or he won't sing. He Can't Sing. He'll he'll do rap songs about things like.
It's a bit.
******* and UM.
Hose in different area codes.
And hose in different area codes and and all of this stuff and then it and then he'll still do Christmas movies on the.
Be very wholesome.
Disney Channel.
It's very wholesome and he's he's always with his wife and they go and do workouts together and they've I think they've been together since high school, I think so he put a he put a picture up the other day and he said my wife needs to remember that she took me to prom. But I think he cut his head out and stuck.
Yeah. Today.
Is that right?
It on whoever she took to prompts head.
No, he's not really walking the talk, is he?
And then he he reposted something the other day because somebody had put. Roll out someone who had put the song roll out over the top of the Russian synchronised swimmers at the Olympics, and they didn't actually perform to roll out, but they put it over the top and it looked like they did. I was fooled for a little bit. Yeah. And then I realised it wasn't true, but it looked good. So next Olympics. Yeah, somebody should do that.
Hmm. Hmm.
Yes. Right. I think. I think in another 20 years time, people will really start to appreciate the cultural significance of the song move.
That's ridiculous. Get out the way.
Well, look, we're a bit limited this week in the box office because the Jet Li film hero is number one in the USA and The Bourne supremacy is the number one film in Australia. So I think it's just just we slide straight into TV, slide straight into TV and it's not even all that great in TV Land.
Yes. No, I think this is pretty significant.
So. I think it's significant in the annals. Or is that annals of breakfast television? Well, breakfast television is just so far up its own. It's not funny like it really is.
Who's annals? Televisions annals, OK. It is a bit stuck in its own annals, but I mean early on it was a thing like you'd have your you'd turn it on while you're having your breakfast. And it was interesting, but I don't think anyone watches it now, do they?
Yes. Yeah, breaky TV. No, I think I think people do it.
I don't do.
I think I do think people do watch breakfast, not us anymore.
Hey.
Who? When you. When you've got something like you, just go to your news app and you just.
I'm too old.
Read it like listen brekky.
I just can't.
TV you have to wait for every half hour because they do the news on the half hour. It's like, no, I want my news right now as I'm eating my waffles. I'm not waiting till. Yeah, half hour time slot for.
I'll just. I just think everybody's like they're trying to thrust the personality upon you and I don't like having personality thrust upon me, and I'll probably talk more about that in the intro at next week's episode.
The news I'm.
Just saying, looking up on the Internet.
But it's just like there's always these personalities, the breakfast. But it's like Carl and Koshi and Sherlo and.
For the light and the shade. There's always gotta be. There's gotta be a door.
Yes, the weather guys, really.
Doesn't there? It's gotta be the mumsy one. It's always gonna be the weather guy doing some crazy antique, like putting their feet in watermelon, being pulled along like sledge.
Hmm.
And look, you know, I mean, there's no Haiti. Yes, there is. There's heaps. But like I've been, I've been that guy on the radio, like the Brecci guy. Hey, everyone, let's talk about some zany stories and I'll try and make some irreverent comments.
Yes, clearly.
That everyone will either laugh at or complain about, and then I'll probably issue an apology tomorrow. You know, like that's that's it's that sort of thing anyway, this is what happened this time 20 years ago. From Breki central Hoshi and Mel.
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