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The year is 2004... Your polyphonic ringtone habit is sending you broke. George W Bush is sworn in for a second term. And in spite of everything going on, the most controversial thing is a wardrobe malfunction at the superbowl?
T minus 20, rewind to this week in history 20 years ago with Joe and Mel.
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Hurricane Ivan's wrath and Rathergate's media storm
🎧✨ Get ready for another blast from the past as we rewind to the week of 5 - 11 September 2004
🌪️ Hurricane Havoc: Brace yourself as Hurricane Ivan, a Category 5 powerhouse, leaves a path of destruction from Grenada to the Gulf Coast. With winds that could blow your socks off, Ivan didn’t just visit—he made an unforgettable entrance!
đź’Ą Bomb Blast in Jakarta: We shift to Jakarta, where a tragic car bomb explodes outside the Australian Embassy, shaking the city and reminding us of the era's intense geopolitical landscape. A somber moment that echoed across the globe.
🖨️ Rathergate Rumble: In the world of news, Rathergate takes center stage! Dan Rather and CBS get caught up in a scandal over questionable documents about President Bush’s military service. Was it a typo or a tale of deception? The blogosphere has opinions!
🎵 Chart-Topping Tunes: On a lighter note, Nelly’s "My Place" and Maroon 5’s "She Will Be Loved" dominate the charts, while Natasha Bedingfield’s "Unwritten" has everyone singing about life’s endless possibilities. A musical melting pot for all tastes!
🎬 Movie Mania: At the box office, “Hero” and “The Village” keep us on the edge of our seats. Meanwhile, “Crash” premieres at the Toronto Film Festival, weaving tales of race, class, and raw human emotion.
đź‘‹ Farewell to Drew Carey: We say goodbye to *The Drew Carey Show*, a sitcom staple that gave us years of laughs, outrageous pranks, and blue-collar wisdom. Cheers to Drew and the gang for all the memories!
📚 Bestseller Buzz: And for our bookworms, *Unfit for Command* is stirring up controversy, sparking debate, and making waves on the bestseller list. Love it or hate it, this one’s got people talking!
Tune in as we explore the unforgettable moments of 2004. From wild weather to wild news, we've got it all. 🎙️🎉
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The year is 2004. Your polyphonic ringtone habit is sending you broke. George W Bush is sworn in for a second term, and in spite of everything going on, the most controversial thing is a wardrobe malfunction at the Super Bowl. T -, 20 rewind 20 years with Joe and Mel.
Wait.
05 September 2004.
The rest is history.
You know what? I'm very forgetful. 20 hello. There. Stop trying to make fetch happen. You're fired, fellow Americans. Let's roll. This is harder than I thought it would be.
This is t -, 20 and if you haven't joined us for the first time, this is your gentle reminder that 20 years ago was a lot further away than what you thought it might have been like if this was the 1980s, we would have been talking about the 60s. That'll give you some kind of perspective. We rewind to this week in history 20 years ago, all the way back to the 2004 at the moment with your host Joe.
And Mel. Hello, Mel. Hello. Yes, we're in September the 5th to the 11th. Of September 2004.
I guess I should say welcome to the eye of Hurricane Ivan. That's about 2:30 AM central time.
Yeah, he's up at 2:30 in the morning, and he's in the eye of Hurricane Ivan. I I don't. That's that's an idea. That's a good night out. That's what that.
Chasing the stone.
Is.
Dedication.
This was unquestionably the darkest time in my professional career, and I certainly would have preferred that they make a film about my coverage of the civil rights movement of Vietnam War or Watergate.
Dan Rather, they're talking about the darkest time in his professional career. We've got that.
Way before Nirvana there was blood and TV. Her two kids in high school, they tell her that she's uncool because she's still free. Is this? 19/19/1985.
What a good place to be. Preoccupied with 1985, that's even more simple than 2004. Let me tell you.
I love that song. Do you know? But do you know that someone has done a version of that talking about 2005?
Today, yes. Well, we'll be trotting that out as much as we can next year.
Yes, but doesn't that make you feel old because the 1985 one I'm like, yeah, yeah. When did Mötley Crüe become classic rock? But now they're doing it about 2000.
Yeah.
And five it was.
Such a wonderful time. Yeah. When did Ludacris become the star of Disney films?
When did Ludacris become classic wrong? Why?
Why?
Is Ludacris on on the easy listening station?
Why is ice cube from N.W.A in family films? It doesn't make any sense exactly.
I don't know. I don't know. Something that does make. Sense what? Well, maybe it doesn't. Maybe it doesn't.
I don't. I don't know if this. Actually does make sense.
So you do trivia, you do trivia at at a local pub.
Yeah, I do do trivia. I host the trivia night. Yes. Walsh's hotel in queen bee. And I'm not afraid to say it. If you wanna come and meet me and come down and see me in action and.
Fantastic establishments. Don't bring him cake. We don't eat listener cake.
No, don't eat listener cake. Brownies perhaps depends on what's in them, but trivia I host trivia at Walsh's hotel in Columbian every Thursday night. Get along. That's that's a Longbow to draw. But I do try.
And you're good at it. You are. Good at it. You're pretty funny. Probably funny about 37% of the.
I do try shout out to shout out to my musical counterpart Boppo as well, who plays a lot of tunes, so we do music and tribute. It's a bit of a different trivia night to your.
Time it's good 3.
Yes. Foods.
No, it's not. It's not different to your traditional ones. It's probably more traditional than that. It's a pen and paper trivia night. It's not one of those fandangle ones where you have your electronic buzzers and stuff like that. It just takes all the intimacy out of it. And there's one thing that I like about trivia. It's trivia that's intimate.
Hmm.
Probably you press the stupid Tritons. But there's one thing that I hate about trivia cause I do the marking when I go. I haven't been for a while, but when I do go, I do the marking. Because it is pen and paper, people hand up their sheets and it's got dinner all over it, just dusting. It's disgusting that. No, it's not. Wah, Wah Wah, it's.
That's right, it's very infinite. Ohh yeah. I love it. Love it.
No, I don't want. I don't want your gravy.
When you spray your gravy all over my answer sheets.
I don't want to gravy all over my hands because you can't eat politely, so I I hate that bit.
Now it's actually quite. It's a bit it's it's, it's really gross. That's really disgusting.
For some people have nice fonts and I judge I judge them based.
Ohh by by.
On their fonts.
Based on their handwriting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When you're there marking and helping out. Yeah.
They're handwriting and they're spelling. Anyway. Shameless plug you do every week for this show is that you ask a jackpot question, which jackpots every week.
Yeah. That's right. Yeah, I'm trying to win listeners with money.
It hasn't worked. We've still got the same number of listeners.
Well no. And and and the fact is is those listeners are actually really diligent with listening to the podcast. So they have won significant amounts of money.
Can try a bit harder. Because you do a. Yeah, you do a jackpot question. And it's based on the show. It's not something usually that we say in the show, but it's related to it's related to to a topic. And so the other week.
It's usually a clue they're in. Yeah, that's right.
Umm.
Some of our very dedicated who we love listeners who also go to trivia.
Yep, shout out to Tess and Karen. Yep.
They brought their notes that they took on on this particular show, and so that's.
Did they ever so? And I got a copy of them they gave me. A copy of their notes, yeah.
They gave you a copy, and so that's that's Tessa's note, and that's Karen's note test. It's clearly more, more diligent, smaller font, more pages. That's almost a ream of paper. It's incredible.
Yeah, yeah. Testers are the ones with the small font, yeah. That is more that those notes are actually more detailed than the preparation for the show, which?
Then the effort we put in, yes.
Which is concerning.
So I was actually thinking maybe they could do the show prep for this. This is way more thorough than what I do. What I do and and I thought I might read this. And so I was having my breakfast and I thought I'll read over it. I was reading their notes and I learned something new. I I learned there's there's lots of good because it's related to the show they also.
Would be super helpful. Would be really helpful. You're reading the notes that test and parent. Did you?
Add they add the colour because OK it might be something to do with the topics, yes.
Right.
Add extra knowledge here.
So you learned something that you did not find in your comprehensive research?
No. Well, this is not my fault, right? Because we talked about the Dave Matthews Band. My favourite story so far in.
Yeah.
Podcasts. Can I say that's my favourite? My favourite? The one where they emptied the pool in the river and it didn't go on the river. It went on the boat and it went on the people and.
Yes. Well, they yeah, it's a pretty good story. In Chicago, correct. Got on people.
They got rained with poo. It's great.
300 kilos of human waste on a open top boat having a cocktail party.
Not having a cocktail party. Ohh. Beautiful. Beautiful moment. Beautiful moment. Anyway. So that was, I don't know. A few weeks ago, but it was announced after we recorded. So I wasn't to know this. But this is in Karen's note. Yeah, have a listen.
Yeah. So good, so good. Yes.
This on the 8th of August 2024, a documentary film entitled The Crapping was announced.
Wow.
With the stated goal of finding and recording first hand witness accounts of said event.
It's them making a film about it. That's wonderful.
Called the crapping the crapping, and they're gonna interview people that got rained with poo.
That is so good. I feel like if there is.
I'm so excited for the crapping.
I feel like if there is a premiere of. That film at any of the local cinemas around here.
We should bathe it. Well, Hostess.
We should host it. We should host it, and we should also.
I think we should. I think we've been the most enthusiastic podcast about this topic. I haven't heard any.
I totally agree. I think we should host it. I would love to introduce it. Ladies and gentlemen, we give you the crap. Adding. Yeah. Yeah.
Others talking about it. Crappie, the crappie, yeah and we. Could come dressed up, could be fancy dress dress in your pool outfits.
Really. So you could get like, yeah, you could get a like. A white.
Dress that soils.
Thing and you could just and you could mix up some grey box and just kind of splatter yourself in the grey box and then.
Yes. Yes. Or you could dress as the poo emoji. Plenty of options. I don't wanna. I don't wanna.
And then attend to the gravity. I've I've been to.
Box anyone into any specifics? Be creative.
Yeah, I I just be careful with the smells though. Like I've been to events where people cosplay, and cosplay tends to attract a little bit of Bo. You know, you don't want to be actually covered in real human waste when.
All the love, right? Yeah. Well, yeah, just going to like.
You come to the.
No, no, no, no, it's a. Reenactment exactly. Is it safe? Yes.
Dramatic reenactments.
Anyway, I thought that was great, so thank you Karen and Tess, because I have learned something. I'm gonna read some more, cause I might find some more interesting things, and then I don't.
I think it's wonderful that they are taking all those. Notes it's a. It's it's a little.
Have to do any work.
It is a little bit concerning and I I that they spend so much more time with the podcast than what we actually life gets in.
In. Way do.
The way like.
Hmm.
The fact that we even are able to churn out 90 minutes worth of podcast every single week and we have done so for.
So 10 minutes is probably fact and 80 minutes probably just.
********. Yes, for the last. Well, we've done it for almost. Well, I think we're coming on three or four years 3 and a bit years.
When did we start? We started with 2001, didn't we? Yes, three years goodness.
But the fact that that happens both working full time parents or maintaining a household, all of these things is nothing short of a miracle. And the fact that people like Karen and Tess actually listen to it and like it is an even bigger miracle, I know.
Yeah.
Yeah, there's those. And take notes.
And while we're looking for miracles, it's the Hatch match and dispatch clue for the segment that we do at the end of the show where we talk about births, deaths and marriages, we've got a marriage this week, a celebrity wedding, and 1/2 of that married couple said this.
Oh, how romantic.
I thought he was obnoxious. I hated him. He just was in your face, singing, dancing, going crazy. I was. Like heck off Ohh on.
That was back off, she said back.
Off oh, I thought that was.
A swear. It's alright. If it was, I'll get it in post, but we'll find out who that is at the end of the show. And now here's Mel with the news.
Ohh thanks 7 September 2004. Hurricane Ivan hits Granada, the Granada, or Grenada.
You're welcome.
Grenada.
You got to say, you gotta be careful with.
Is that the song? Oh, my mother. Oh, my father. Here I am at Camp Grenada.
Is that what that?
Is that is that the place? Is that where the camp?
Is.
Is.
I'm I'm.
You don't know that song.
Not.
It's a kid at. Camp that writes the letter to their mum and dad.
And you've put something down and I am unsure unsure if.
You're not picking it up. You're just gonna leave me out here, hanging all by myself in the breeze, OK?
I could kick it up. I'm just. I just don't know. I think it's Grenada, Grenada. It depends on where you're from. You know I can't talk. I tried to pronounce a a French word at trivia the other night, actually. And Loretta.
Let's those Granada. Anyway. Well, it's another language, right you can.
Loretta, who is on well. It was the French word for Friday and I I made an absolute meal of it. I'm not even gonna attempt to do it now. But Loretta, who is Italian? It's not even French. No, but she's very she's a cunning. West. She's very good with with pronunciations, and I and she's my go to and she was absolutely mortified. And I just kind of wish she was here now to tell us whether it was Grenada or Grenada, but.
She is.
I thought you did.
It.
Well, look.
I'm gonna go Granada. Ohh my Mata. Oh, my father. Here I am at Camp Granada.
I think Grenada's good. Camp Grenada that sounds good.
OK. Well.
Is that?
The one yes, thank you.
Ohh OK yeah, sure. That's like a Bugs Bunny thing, isn't it?
I don't know where it came from. I don't know. I have no idea.
Sure. Hmm.
But anyway, they had a Category 5 hurricane. That's the worst, isn't it? Because the movie was called category six day of destruction and the promo, the voiceover that I did bad for category six it was.
It is.
Like, but there has never been a category.
What's what's?
So I think category 5 is the worst category.
Yeah, let's.
That that's not a true story.
I watched twisters the other day. What? And I can tell. Well, the one that that took all of her friends. Spoiler Alert was a CAT5.
Category with the twisters.
So I can.
Ohh cats. Ohh because you've watched a movie. Now it's a CAT5 rather than a category cat for you're you're you're a storm chaser now.
That was a cat's half. That was a CAT5. Because, Twisters said Ohh no, I'd never chase still. So they they did they even you in the new twisters movie cause, remember.
So there was multiple, there was multiple hurricanes was there. In. Movie. But the first one was Twister.
Yeah, there's one twist. There's multiple twisters. Yeah.
So this one's. Did any cows?
Go up.
No, but there were some cars and there was a redneck crew of tornado chasers that would drive into the tornado and then fire fireworks up into the tornado, which was quite beautiful. It was wonderful. Yeah. So it was a fun film. But yes, category 5 basically as big as big as it gets. Yeah, makes a mess of things.
Oh. That's fun. I like that. So the worst it's the worst. Ivan.
Yes.
Ivan doesn't really sound that destructive.
Ivan, I knew a guy named Ivan. Who was he was know. Very destructive, yeah.
Was he a nerd? Ohh really I think of ivans as nerds.
He was his own worst enemy. He was he. No, he was not a nerd. He was smart. Probably too smart for you like.
Street smart.
Good. Very destructive. Now that I reflect on that, I missed that guy. It's nice fella. Anyway, the the hurricane. Ohh, no. No, thank you.
Straight snot. Maybe you should look him up on Facebook. This Ivan the hurricane was one of the most intense and destructive hurricanes of the 2004 Atlantic hurricane season caused widespread devastation.
Yes.
In the Caribbean, Caribbean, depending on where you're from as well as the US, it formed on September 2 from a tropical wave that moved off the West Coast of Africa.
Yep.
And it quickly intensified, becoming a tropical storm on the 3rd of September hurricane. By the 5th hour just South of the Cape Verde Islands. Is that how you say?
It.
3rd.
If I rolled it.
I'm gonna say Vert because it's like if I say Cape Verd, that's OK. But if I say Verde, I feel like I need to call it carpe carpe Verde. Which means seize the island.
It would sound right Rd there Rd there. Chapay seize the day. Such is life it caused. I don't know. I just felt.
I don't know.
Yeah.
Yes, what?
Like you were.
Doing those? Keep going. Yeah. No, keep going.
Blah blah. It caused catastrophic damage as it moved.
Stance. Well, no. Watching.
Affecting islands such as Granada, Jamaica, Grand Cayman and western Cuba.
Yes. It it hit Granada as a Category 3 hurricane on the 7th of September. It caused a lot of damage to like 90% of the islands. Buildings and infrastructure made a mess big.
Hmm.
Mess it passed. South of Jamaica on September 11, which brought powerful winds and torrential rain that caused lots of flooding and landslides in. Maker and then it severely impacted the Cayman Islands, especially Grand Cayman where it caused huge floods and extensive property damage. Ivan's outer bands then went on to batter Cuba, particularly the western regions, before the storm veered northwards towards the Gulf of Mexico and it hit the US. It made landfall in the US. As a high end category 3 on September 16 near Gulf Shores, AL, with winds of 120 miles an hour, which is close to 200 kilometres an hour, that's fast. That's very windy and that's that's category 3 high end category 3, But that's still category three. There are two more categories to go.
Face.
With Ivan.
Ohh geez Ivan, the impact was felt across the entire Gulf Coast, particularly in Alabama, Florida, Mississippi, and Louisiana. It reached its peak intensity as category 5. It went up a couple of notches on the scale. With winds of 165 mph or 270 kilometres per hour and a minimum central pressure of 910 millibars, this is interesting. The pressure we will come back to the pressure shortly. Widespread damage across, as we said across the Caribbean in the United States.
Right.
Estimated total damage was around 26 point. $1 billion and that's in 2004.
Wow. US that's in the US currency too, yeah.
Money. 2004 money like that is a lot of money. One of the the costliest hurricanes in U.S. history at the time.
Yeah.
It's now quite seriously and sadly the storm caused and was didn't cause it was responsible for 92 direct fatalities. Across the Caribbean in the United States, with many more indirect deaths resulting from accidents, health issues, you know flooding things get pretty messy. And just the aftermath of the actual storm, it was a bad one. It was a bad one, and it probably could have been covered a little bit better. By this particular show on Community television.
Welcome back to Toys, TV and thanks for watching. As you know, RJ Hurricane Ivan has brought chaos and turmoil to both residents and to businesses across the entire Emerald.
Coast and Tourist TV recently partnered up with Storm Chaser Ron Hart of United Productions to show you some highlights of the storm before, during and after. So check this out.
The pressure 949 millibars 948. Not in the eye yet, but pressure is dropping pretty rapidly. You can see your ears constantly pop from it. I guess I should say welcome to the eye of Hurricane Ivan. That's about 2:30 AM central time.
If you'd like to see more footage of Hurricane Ivan, you can order the video Hurricane Ivan before, during and after from United Productions by going to the website Ivan on video.com.
That's right. Or you can call us here at the tourist TV offices at 244-7100 and we'll take your order for you.
Please stay tuned for more of tourist TV.
I I think I I want to call tourist TV just to make a complaint, just about the lack of tact like I mean we're pretty tactless here. You know we can go from talking about terrible things in the news to making horrible jokes in the music segment and whatnot and and all of that sort of stuff, but they are.
Stevie, have word. Have some words.
They showed way too much enthusiasm for Hurricane Island.
They were very excited about Ivan and.
It's 2.
Tourist TV. Aren't you supposed to be encouraging people to to come and enjoy? The area that's not very enticing a category 5, that's almost day of destruction, we said what was the millibar pressure 948 millibars? That doesn't sound nice.
Yes.
Yes.
Yeah. Yes. Yeah, but. You know, and even the music. I just don't think the music was oppressive like you.
Just it's a bit too upbeat, but we had fatalities, tourist television people died, have some more serious music.
Yes.
Yes. And here you are.
Trying to sell videos of the thing and here we are now talking about it and taking the out of you. So what are we? I don't know.
Just as bad, probably, but whatever.
Yes. Hideous bottom.
We're not trying to up tourism anywhere, we're. Talking about 2004, so that's fine.
Yes.
Come to Gulf Shores, AL and get swept away. Just it's just not good. Let's go to the 9th of September. This is also not good. This is a terrorist bombing. And I remember this one very, very well in the news. So the Australian Embassy in Jakarta is a very significant embassy for Australia. They're.
Yeah. Yep.
They're our closest neighbours. Indonesia. I I think I. I think I will maybe New Zealand, but you. I'm not into geography and stuff like that, and I'm really making a meal of this when I'm trying to be serious, but this bomb exploded outside the Australian embassy in Jakarta, which is a a very tragic attack, and it targeted our interest in Indonesia and it kinda made us go ohh God like this is after the Bali bombing, this is. After September 11, it really made us take notice took place outside the embassy, located in Kuningan, which is a busy district in central Jakarta, in Indonesia. On September the 9th at around 10:30 AM local time.
It was carried out using a car bomb. The bomb was placed in a delivery van that was parked on the street outside. The embassies heavily fortified compound. Yeah, the bomb was detonated by a suicide bomber, causing a massive explosion. I remember seeing this across the news. There was a really, really big crater in the street. There was extensive damage to the embassy. Building structures that were surrounding it. Vehicles windows were shattered hundreds of metres. The way debris right across a wide area and unfortunately killed nine people, all of whom were Indonesians, including.
Yes, no Australians were harmed in this bombing, which was quite a surprise given the power of the explosion.
No. Yeah. Where it was. Time of day, all of. That so it. The fatalities were embassy guards, police officers and bystanders.
Now, it wasn't just that, though. There was 150 people injured in the explosion, civilians embassy staff passes by many of the injuries caused by shrapnel flying class and obviously just from the force being knocked over by the blast.
Mm-hmm.
Last, and while the embassy was the primary target, as I said, no Australian fatalities, although there were minor injuries as I also said, but it was attributed to Jamar Islamia, which is a Southeast Asian militant Islamist group with links to al Qaida. They were responsible for several other high profile terrorist attacks in Indonesia. Including the Bali bombings, and it was believed to be in retaliation for Australia support. Of the United States in the War on Terror, particularly the involvement in Afghanistan and Iraq, it was also seen as part of a broader campaign by Jemaah Islamiya to destabilise the Indonesian government and create fear among Western nations with interests in the region. And I guess, yeah.
Do you think that? Do you?
It was pretty scary.
Think the timing might have been intentional as well because we were speaking last week about.
Bush.
Going up for for reelection as well, because they're talking about our involvement in in Afghanistan and Iraq, and obviously that was to support U.S. military troops.
Hmm.
Well, there's a lot of.
Yeah, and there's a lot of election promises happening in pontification and conferences and yeah.
We've got that big talk from Bush the week before and he's, you know, back out and he's look in the running again.
I possibly, I mean, I don't, I don't think you know, we kind of take a back seat when they're doing that stuff. We're like, we'll have at it and we'll support whoever your president is gonna be. So I don't necessarily know that there's probably a direct relation to it, but I do think that the commentary. Around and especially from the US, with their support like talking about supporting the troops and putting more funding into the military probably had inflamed the situation a little bit because it's like, well, if they going to spend more money on the military, they're going to attack us or we'll attack them maybe. All just speculation after the bombing, though. Obviously, big increased security measures in the Australian embassies and other diplomatic missions. They also advised that citizens to not travel to Indonesia at the time. Due to the heightened risk of the terrorist attacks, which meant no more trips to Bali for a little while and then in the months and years following the bombings, Indonesian authorities arrested several individuals connected to Jamaat Islamia who were involved in planning and carrying out the attack. Some were convicted and sentenced to lengthy prison terms, while others received the death penalty. So which is? I feel like it's kind of hard when you when you when you're dealing with people who are into doing things like suicide bombing. It's like the death penalty is almost a reward.
Yeah.
Alright, 8th of September 2004. It's not really a tech story in the traditional sense, but we've chucked it in this segment because Internet bloggers unearthed a scandal which became known as the.
Yes. Oh.
The.
Other.
Thing rather gate, but it's rather.
Yeah, but he's he's well, in America it would be rather so it's and that's his surname. And that's how he likes to pronounce it.
Rathergate. Gate.
The rathergate of Fair thanks to a bunch of Internet sleuth, it was also known as the Killian documents controversy.
Yes.
I I prefer the gate affair.
Yeah, it was. That was a big scandal, and it was about the report that aired on CBS's 60 Minutes programme. Which was anchored by veteran journalist Dan Rather, who was he's like journalistic royalty in the United States.
And what would our Australian equivalents?
Brian Henderson, Jim Whaley, Peter Harvey kernberg. You know all of those sort of guys. Yeah, yeah, Massey.
Be. OK. Yeah. Yes. OK, big deal. Big deal.
So his the the report that they did actually questioned President George W Bush's military service during the Vietnam War, specifically his time in the Texas Air National Guard, and the scandal had really big implications for the credibility of CBS News and for Dan. Rathers career. This happened during the presidential campaign, so George W Bush and John Kerry are going at it. They're campaigning against each other, and Bush's military service was one of those things that they kind of found out about and then brought to the fore like, you know, he's doing all this. Stuff he didn't even you know. He wasn't even in the army properly or the military properly or whatever is what they're doing. There's questions about whether he fulfilled his obligations during his time. In the Texas Air National Guard in the early 70s.
So the report aired on the 8th of September 2004, which were a couple of months been under a couple of months away from the election, and it claimed that newly discovered documents from the personal files of Lieutenant Colonel Jerry. The Killian, who was Bush's commanding officer in the Texas Air National Guard, indicated that Bush had received preferential treatment. And had not satisfactorily completed his duties, he didn't pass.
Yeah, yeah. No, they said that he didn't meet the guards standards and that they basically had the sugar coat, his service record, because obviously he has a rich family. He's doing his thing. So CBS News producer Mary Mapes obtains the copy documents from this bloke named Burkett, who was a former officer in the Texas Army National Guard. So while pursuing the story about the George W Bush military service controversy, she gets these documents from that guy. And Burkett claims that Bush's commander, Lieutenant Colonel Jerry B Killian, wrote them. And those documents included criticisms of Bush's service in the guard during the 70s, IE he didn't. He was the preferential treatment they'd looked after him really well, and he didn't have to work as hard as the rest of the soldiers. That's right. But we'll give him a low pass anyway because he's from the Bush family.
Didn't.
Didn't meet the criteria basically.
There.
Report relied heavily on 6 documents that were said to be typed memos from 1972 and 1970. They attributed to Colonel Jerry B Killian. They were never actually authenticated by CBS before the broadcast.
Yeah, they just picked him up and ran with me. Here we go. Let's go. So after the broadcast, the Internet, who, like and God bless the Internet. I mean, this is. Yeah, this is what it's for sleep. It goes crazy. All the bloggers.
Hey.
The bloggers.
Hmm.
And the typographic experts start questioning whether or not these documents are authentic. They're like, Nah, I think this might be our first example of. Fake news. They pointed out that the documents contain typographic features that seemed. Inconsistent with 1970s typewriters with things like the use of proportional fonts and superscripts that reserve this is so font nerdy you love this story, don't you?
I love it. I love it so much. That is not a typewriter font.
You front nerves. So they're like, that's not a that's not as high, brighter font.
Computer font.
You've written that in Microsoft Word, and now you're claiming, yeah, Clippy is like, I can see you're trying to manufacture some documents from the 70s. Let me give you some fonts. CBS. But CBS like, Nah, that's not true. Of course they're authentic.
With the help of Clippy. Let me help.
You.
Everything that's in that doc, those documents that people are saying can't be done, as you said 32 years ago, it's just totally false, not true. Like I said, proportional spacing was available, superscripts was available as a custom feature, proportional spacing between lines was available. You could order that any way you'd. Like.
Richard Katz, a software designer, found some other indications in the documents. He noted that the lowercase letter L is used for the numeral one in those documents instead of the actual numeral one. That would be difficult to reproduce on a computer printer.
Now.
Because you. Today, if you were doing this a week ago or a month. To go on a normal Laserjet printer, it wouldn't work. You just couldn't there just the font wouldn't be available to you.
Hmm. So they're trying to debunk this and you can hear it.
I would have loved that job. I love. I love it when I see different typefaces. I get so annoyed. I'm like, I can see that you've changed font halfway through that.
Yeah. Ohh God, you sound like Clippy when you say that I can see that you're trying to change the font halfway.
Makes me so. I said that you have changed the font. I can tell I can tell the difference.
You think Clippy, honestly?
Calibres like the Comic Sans of the corporate world. Yeah. Can I? Just say that.
Yeah.
Calibri can, if that's your default font. Can you please change it?
Calabria. I feel like.
Change. To Roboto or Roboto, having saved or Helvetica, Calibri is a joke.
You. You. It is. Calibre is a joke I feel.
Calibri is a joke and it's like default in Outlook and it's default in Word. No, don't. Don't accept people, don't accept. It's the comic sands of. The corporate world, it's gross.
I feel like there's a T shirt slogan in there somewhere. Please is a joke.
Yes. Anyway, I would have loved that job and I think I would have been good at it.
Yeah, I I feel like you are the Clippy of the house, especially when I'm doing handyman project.
It looks like you're trying to fix something.
I.
I see you're trying to change a washer in the tap. Perhaps you'd like to consult a professional or put an ad on high pages.
That's not going to work. Yes, I see you're trying to put the Tupperware in the cupboard. Do I need to instruct you on where it goes?
Ohh see. Here we go. Alright. I've opened up a can of worms there. OK, so that.
Every summer we started it. Anyway, so that they were saying no, no, no typewriters can.
No, no, it's all good. And and Dan, rather than double down because he did that story about that. So you can, sorry Dan, rather did that it.
Do those spots. And then he got the font experts in.
Keeps rather rather. Tomato, tomato. Yeah. And then does the story to say, see, I'm right and it grows. This controversy just gets bigger and bigger. So other outlets in the media are like, well, and and especially the competition, right are like, well, let's pile on. Let's go. And all of a sudden the.
He gets the font nerds in to back him up.
Their credibility and the confidence in that actual report. Starts to wane. Not the person Wayne. Shout out to Karen's husband but and and and. But like the confidence in CBS is is starting to dwindle and they start to get a. Bit embarrassed.
Yes, Dan actually makes a public apology. Saying that he had been misled about the documents authenticity, wasn't there a review as well? There was an independent panel.
Yeah. There was, so they commissioned a panel which was led by the former Attorney General of the USA, **** Thornburgh. Berg and the former Associated Press president, Louis D Bacardi. Yeah.
Well, no, that's serious then don't ***, **** Thornberg's on the case.
To look into it and they they release. So this is so Fast forward to 2005 January 2005 that that their report concludes that CBS News had failed to follow basic journalistic principles. This is a massive deal for a news hour. Basic journalistic principles, your basic in preparing and airing the report it.
Basic principles.
Now that CBS had ignored the red flags about the documents authenticity and then not sufficiently investigated their source, but they went ahead with it anyway. Because why?
Oh. Oh.
Because ratings, let's face it, that's what it's all about election ratings.
Election. So is CBS. Probably a bit more left leaning, yeah.
Yes. Then fox. Yes. Well, at this time it's it seems like it.
Yeah, OK. Yeah. OK.
Doesn't it so.
Yeah.
Lots of people resign and get fired at CBS News, Mary Mopes, the producer of the 60 minutes segment she's gone.
Hmm.
She's the one that got the the letters documents.
Right. Yep. Three other CBS News execs also asked to resign or were terminated. Dan rather, though, even though he defended the report, announced his retirement.
Come on, your Mary.
From the news anchor position in November 2004, effective in March 2005, was it connected? Look, it probably weighed on him and had something to do with it, but I know that. I mean, he was a very loved and respected journalist. Allah Laurie Oakes, you know like.
Was the time.
Like we have at those sort of journalists in Australia that everyone kind of. Reveres the the old school stoic, or once a single source of truth sort of thing. So I think he definitely took a hit for it. They didn't state that the scandal was CBS themselves didn't say that the scandal was the reason for his departure, but a lot of people say that it did take a toll and played a role.
Hmm.
And I think they actually made a movie about it called truth. And in the promo junket for that film, rather actually talks about the scandal.
This was unquestionably the darkest time in my professional career. And I certainly would have preferred that they make a film about my coverage of the civil rights movement of Vietnam War or Watergate, but lifes not like that. You play it as it lays. I'd never thought the film would get made when I was first told that maybe the film never thought of getting made. And I'm really very pleased to say nothing about. Being believed. That the film is terrific. Whatever anyone thinks with me or Mary, maybe for the story, there's an extremely well written, well directed and well acted movie. And for that I'm grateful.
I think that's really gracious of him because it did have, like, he and he talks it like he did Watergate, you know, like.
And then he becomes a gate.
Yeah. And it's like he is such a well respected journalist and it's like that one misstep just is a little black mark on his career.
It's pretty sad, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah, and. And he was probably working from the assumption that whoever brought him that those materials had done their due diligence.
Well, yeah. I mean, he's the presenter. There's a lot of people behind the scenes researching and all that sort of stuff. The movie is great. It's from 2015. Robert Redford plays Dan, Dan Rather and Cate Blanchett plays Mary Mates. It's a good film and and it's it shows everything that happened and everything that's leading up to it and obviously the scandal itself and everything that happened there.
As well.
Yeah.
Oh wow.
Ofta very interesting story. It's music time. Let's get into something less serious, for God's sakes.
All right. OK. Well, should we start with the US top five?
Yeah.
5.
2.
But still dancing? Just pull up my pants and do the rock away. Lean back, lean back, lean back.
Ohh, the goodies are in the jar. The goodies have stayed in the jar but the goodies are at the top of. The charts you'll be.
Do you think if we use that Orange Tupperware plasticky thing, you could open the jar and get the goodies out?
Are the rubber. You know the secret to opening jars that are impossible to open.
Is that orange Tupperware thing that we've got in the third draw down?
Not necessarily. What I find is is jars that are stuck. This is a little hack for you if you're playing at home and you you get frustrated with jazz, don't don't get a hammer and nail and try and bash a hole in the top of. It or anything like that. That's your hat, your one. Person holds the top of the jar firmly.
That's not a hack. That's just as hard. That's still.
The other person holds the face of the jar.
Hurts my hands. No.
And you twist in opposite directions.
But what that?
That's assuming that there's two people around. Read.
I said it was a two person job. There is a caveat there.
Well, you didn't make that clear. It was. A bit flippant. Well, you didn't make that no, cause everyone's going. Ohh, he's gotta hack. He's gotta.
Right. OK.
Hack and I'm like I don't have another person. I read something the other day that you put it in warm water, so I tried that. Didn't work, but the orange Tupperware thing in the third drawer down did. So that's how we get the goodies out of the jar. The Tupperware plastic twisty thing.
It's been a long time since I got the goodies.
I found actually I found.
Out of it. Yeah, this is like the Killian documents controversy all over again.
I found a thing on the Internet that opens jars for you. I'll I'll post it cause I wanna buy it and I think there's probably plenty of other people listening to this show that are interested so.
Yeah, you know what? It's it's called a man, and you've already got.
No.
1.
Well, then, why do you need another person? Why do you always make me do it with you?
Make it easy. I want to make sure that I can open jars ad infinitum, so I don't.
No, I'm gonna put. I'm gonna put the real.
Want to strain myself?
Hat on the session.
Anyway, it doesn't matter because the ******* goodies are staying in the jar, OK?
Unless you have this implement that, I'm going to post on the socials, we'll get the.
And that's number one. The goodies. The goodies remain in the jar.
Out.
Because who? What was that person who sings that song? Sierra. Ciara. Ciara says so. And then #2 was lean back. Fat Joe's been bumped off the charts. Yeah.
And he thought it was. Terrace sunshine. Little flip. Yeah, feat. Leah, my place. Nelly. Or the book? Yeah. One of two books. Yeah, in at #4 and dip. It lies back in Christina Williams back. Who did she kick out?
Yeah. Dip it low back in the charts, dip it low. Ohh, I don't know, Kevin. Middle with the Y. Yeah, she's dipping it low. I just. I start thinking about Cobb lifes again. When I hear dip.
Ohh Kevin Little with a Y. Well, that's what you guess, stupid one.
Low. And you don't wanna. I reckon, you know, like the COV lobe. The cob loaf is good when the dip is in the top half. When the dip sort of gets down to the bottom half and everyone's had their hands on the bread and they've sort of been in there. I I'm not keen to speak draggy.
Good.
Yeah, it's like it's not double dip, it's.
Like.
10,000 dip.
Tastes like French onion and fingers. Let's go to the number one in the UK, which is this.
Hello.
See.
Yeah. Come on over to my place and Nelly.
Try and get the goodies out of the jar. Wasn't a Tupperware plastic?
Say help me get the goodies out of the job because it's a two person job. Come on over to my place. I've got some Pickles I can open.
That's the worst when you. There's a jar of delicious massive Pickles, and you're like, I really want a pickle like.
I want the petrol.
I can't open the pickle jar.
Killing to wrap my lips around a giant pickle.
Snyder pig.
And I can't get the jar open. Yeah, and that's when you come up to a.
Ah.
Friend and you're like. Because I gotta get this freaking jar open. Yeah.
Help me get the pickle. I need the freaking pickle. We have a new #1 here in Australia.
My window now.
Tap on my window, knock on my door. I wanna make you feel beautiful. That's I think that was the next line, isn't it?
Come on in and help me open my pills. Yeah, I think so. I don't know. Not.
Maroon 5. She will be loved.
Yes, and I meant because that's a new entry and we haven't had this on before and I meant to put some information in, I got distracted and I.
Didn't. Yeah. And you don't like Adam Levine that much anymore?
I don't like it when he was like what was the thing that he said on the in the DM to the girl when.
No, that was that.
He. Married.
Was gross. Just you're just trying to get about how hot she was? Yeah.
Something like you're.
So you got a wife, buddy. Like you know, have.
Some respect just.
Move on, you know, although I do think that he was a little bit maligned post COVID, I think he was doing a gig. And this chick jumped on stage out of the crowd and hugged him. And then she walked off and he kind of did this like, oh, like, gesture and everyone's like, have some respect. These people put you where you are right now, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, she got on the stage.
Hmm.
That's alright.
But she jumped on the stage. She jumped on the estate. No, you can't. No, you can't do that. I read something. The.
Like. Don't get on the stage. Don't touch the musician.
Other day. I read something the other day and. Someone.
As they ask for it.
Someone was eating Chipotle, and if you've ever seen if you've ever ever eaten Chipotle and the wrappers and what the wrappers look like, it's like.
Yeah.
I have. Yeah.
Looking at my Adam Levine looks like a Chipotle rapper with his shirt off, his tattoos look like a chipolo wrapper, and now I can't Unsee that. I thought that was funny.
Oh, they've got these these. Excellent. Yes. Why I had Chipotle. I don't necessarily remember the rap rapper, but but the entire time I was in the United States, Chipotle was the first meal I had there, and my **** was ruined for the entire.
It looks like Adam Levine's tattoos. That's the Chipotle wrapper. Time. Ohh my.
Yes. Anyway enough about that. Let's. Yes, please.
OK, let's do a whip around. Let's do an album, whip around, because again, like last week, there's so many.
Hmm.
Homes that are coming out. But like we we've had weeks with no albums the last two weeks album Bonanza.
Lots of albums. It's an album blowout. It's like all of a sudden there's elections on and all of this sort. Of stuff and.
So let's release an album.
Why not? Well, you know what? It's a welcome distraction from some of the horrible news that has been happening in the last fortnight, so I'm happy with that.
This is true. All right, let's here we. Go. Alright. Well, we'll start with Natasha Bedingfield. Her album Unwritten featuring this title track, which is called Unwritten.
Feel the rain on your skin. No one else, no one else can speak the words. Live your life without.
Today is where your book begins. The rest is still unwritten. Is that the hills? Yeah. You know what, that.
What does that remind you of? Love. Thing.
Yes.
I really like that song. It's just I don't know why. Maybe because I was like he comes Spencer and.
Do you see? I I Natasha Bedingfield? His crystals. She's a very good songwriter and the hills was hilarious. Yes, but I and I I did not connect that with these words because I really liked the song. These words that Natasha Bedingfield did, and then I was like, ah. And like when we're putting this together, I'm like, oh, she did that song too. And I don't like that song.
Yes.
You don't. No, I love that song. I didn't.
No.
Know it was her. Either when we were watching the hills were you were watching the hills more than me.
Yes, opening up The Dirty window, although having said that, I do recall very fondly being very excited about the hills being on and singing along with the theme song from the other room to try and get you in there to take your place on the couch and watch it with you. Open up The Dirty window. Come on. Melatonin feel the rain on your lid? No, that's can't feel it for you. Yeah, I didn't know.
For someone that hates that you know all the words.
Yeah, the rest is still unwritten. Something about the book.
Bowling For Soup released their album this week 20 years ago. It's called a hangover. You don't deserve with one of our favourite songs, 1985.
Ah.
There was you and her two kids in high school. They tell her that she's uncool. She's still preoccupied 19/19/1985.
So good. Yeah. She hates time. Make it stop. When did Motley crew become classic rock?
It. And when did Ozzy become an?
Actor, please make this stop. Stop, stop, stop. What a great song and Bowling For Soup. I mean that song kind of ruined him. Because it is like where do you go from there? Well, no. They have also done a song about Alexa Bliss. Have they? Yes. The wrestler. Yes. And in post production, I'll put it here.
That's the only that's the only song of this that I know. What else do they do?
Be more like Alexa. Make me feel like this. Gotta finish it falling asleep.
So.
Did you? That Alexa Bliss song? It's great. You haven't even heard it yet. You won't even hear it till the podcast comes out.
I'm sure I'm sure I love it. I'm sure I love it. When did they release that cause she's only recent. Is it was she? She wasn't wrestling in 2004.
Fine, you will. It'll be great. Are very recently I think. I say very recently, but everything's been a bit of a blur since COVID, so it could have been in. The last five to six years, is she?
The one that married, right? Yes.
Ryan Cabrera. That I yes.
Yes, yes, yes, yes. OK, grats.
That's the one. Alexa bliss. Yeah, they did the song. About her anyway, there's another album from your mate.
Nelly. Well, he released 2 albums this week, 20 years ago he released Sweat and he released suit. Sweatsuit sweat and suit.
That got busted for the pingers. Right. So not a double album. He released 2 separate albums.
Well, it started as two separate albums, but I think when we got it here in Australia it was a double album because I've got it and the front side, well, I don't know. I got it for free. Remember, we used to get all the albums sent to us from the yeah record companies. That was great.
Get down the level. This is more expensive. I used to hawk a lot of them. Yeah, yeah.
That was really good. I really liked those days. No. So like the. Yeah, it was a 11 here, but over in America was 22 separate albums. So.
Yeah. That's a bit cheeky like trying to make people buy 2 albums, but it's like the.
I would have bought. Both if I. Wasn't sent for free sweats, was more focused on the club oriented rap heavy tracks and suit was more R&B influenced. So here's an example from sweat. Tilt your head back. Great collaboration with Christina Aguilera.
Bring it back slow.
Her voice is extraordinary. I love it when she gets into those big productions where they layer and she harmonises with herself.
Ivan, like her singing on the menu log ad I. Thought that was good.
Yeah, yeah, it makes me hungry.
Anything she does, anything she does amazing.
I don't think.
Good singer.
That song ever even got in the charts, which is surprising. I remember it cause it's play it all the time in my pulsar.
I remember it though. Yeah. Yeah. So that was on sweat. That's on two your head back on sweat.
Sweat and suit were. We're in high rotation in the Nissan Pulsar suit. Remember this one? Tim McGraw was featured.
Well, what was on suit?
Think about it over and over again.
You're so bad.
Hmm. I remember that one.
Remember that one as.
Well, little collab with the country singer that would have opened him up to a. New market, that's good.
Well, that's what the whole. Dirty South country grammar. He was trying to inject a bit of country into hip hop.
Well, I think I think that.
That's if I'm being honest. I mean, if you look at us like Jelly roll and stuff now, Nelly may have been a bit of a trailblazer there, I said.
You can't do something. You want to something, yeah.
It hmm. We had another album out this time 20 years ago called. The system has failed by Megadeth featuring this single of mice and men.
That cracks me up.
I'm not sure what Megadeth we're doing then. I think that they'd, I think the system had failed everyone, including Megadeth. With that, it just wasn't one of their strongest moments, you know, I wanna. I wanna love Megadeth. Ohh God only knows.
MHM.
What album number was that that was like?
Mean you you, well, back in the day. Back in the day, you were in either camp or Metallica or Camp Megadeth because obviously Dave Mustaine was.
How many? They've released a lot.
Fired from Metallica and all of it seems really stupid and childish. Well, that's what I thought when I was a kid. But I have to say I like both these.
So you can only like 1.
Days and do.
You think it sounds a bit like Alice In Chains like I don't know, but it sounded like it sounded like that Rooster song to me.
It's got the droning. Drony sort of harmonising.
Which is not what I expect from Megadeth.
I think that sounds like Alice In Chains from wish.com. Let's go to the box office and the TV. The box office from the Idiot box.
Well, I box office is box office is kind of status quo. You've got hero over in the States and then over here in Australia we got the village finally. But we've already we've already talked about that.
Yeah. The Jet Li film. The M Night Shyamalan film there's a new M Night Shyamalan film that's coming out at the cinemas, I think now and it's all. Noon and it's being labelled as an M Night Shyamalan experience.
An experience and not a movie, an experience that happens at an experience.
And I'm like, well, it's like, dare I go and find out? But I think some early screenings from some critics who've said, no, don't bother. Anyway, there's a new movie that debuted on. It. The 10th of September at the Toronto Film Festival, this film is actually a fantastic film. It's it's a drama film called Crash, and it interweaves several connected stories about race and class and family and gender in Los Angeles in the aftermath of 911. It's a very thought provoking film.
Why do you keep everybody at certain distance, huh? Well, she starts to feel something in panic. What I need is a husband who will not just stand there. I just had.
What did you want me to do? Get us both.
Shot gun pointed in my face and this was my fault because I knew it was gonna happen.
And some plain sight step out of the vehicle.
Honey, say inside man, don't walk up for. Me, I know this man. Give back.
It.
Features a whole bunch of characters that sort of. Like I said, it connects all of them together in a weird way, so there's a District Attorney played by Brendan Fraser, and he's casually racist wife, which is Sandra Bullock or prejudice racist. I don't know. It's watched the movie. Draw your own conclusions. Dating police detectives Graham, who's played by Don Cheadle and Riga, who's played by Jennifer Esposito. A victimised Middle Eastern store owner and a wealthy African American couple, played by Terrence Howard and Vandy Newton. Thandie Newton is a fantastic actress. She is Westworld. Yeah, really good. She humiliated by racist cop who's played by Matt Dillan.
She's the one from resort. She's great, yes. Excuse me? Ludicrous luda.
Yes, yes, yes, a small part.
Is in there. A small part? Well, he's like the the violent car Jacker, isn't he one that starts the whole thing. If there was no louder jacking the car.
Yeah. He's kind of the catalyst. Yes. He plays the projector. Yeah. Then all of these events that there's been no crash, it's it's a passion piece for haggis. So it's it's got lots of racial and social tensions and it's all set in LA and it's very much inspired by a real life incident in which his Porsche, the directors Porsche, was carjacked in 1991 outside a video store.
Crash.
Yes.
Bushey Blvd. In.
A video store? Ohh, how 90s. It's a.
LA. Yeah. I know back in the. It's a. It is a I you know what I'd be really interested to watch it in the context of today because it very much look. Looked at all of those different people and how they interact with each other and it it was a a a very interesting study on I guess class and racism and and just people in general. It was a good movie, 74% from critics with the audience loved it with 88% on Rotten Tomatoes crash. That is one that I will definitely go back and have a look at. I remember watching it at the. Time going? Yeah, that was great.
It's.
Did you realise Ludacris was in? It. At the time.
Yeah, I think I did, but I, yeah.
That's you.
But it's been a long time between drinks. I know that. I remember Sandra Bullock and Sandy Newton in particular, being brilliant in it. So definitely worth going back and having a look at that again. I've done that a lot with a lot of movies we've talked about and some of them have been great and others not so much.
Hmm.
Not so much. You know, a couple of weeks ago, I watched the Hugh Jackman Van Helsing movie. That was terrible. Really bad. Napoleon dynamite. Amazing. Still stood up, but there are some that just do not. I think Crash will, I think crash is one of the.
Napoleon was just as good. Yeah.
Ones.
In terms of. TV shows, do you think the Drew Carey show would? Still stand up for that.
Well, let's, let's just you know. Get into. If we're going to feel bad.
Just to keep up.
Ended this time 20 years ago, I really enjoyed the Drew Carey show when I was a lot younger.
Woods.
So this was. Created by Drew Carey, who started it as obviously the main character set in Cleveland. OH.
It centres around Drew Carey, who plays a fictionalised version of himself down to Earth everyday Guy working as an assistant director of personnel at the fictional Winfred Louder. Department store in Cleveland.
What I love? About it is it's got some of these Co stars from whose line is it anyway? So Lewis Kiske, who is Ryan's?
Yes.
Wales and Oswald Lee Harvey, played by Diedrick Bader in there and then Kate O'Brien, Christa Miller, Mimi Bobeck. Remember Mimi Mimi.
He was my favourite. She was so good.
She was wonderful, played by Kathy Kinney and Nigel Wick Craig Ferguson was in there, who's of course a very famous talk show host over in the states. He was in there too, I think. Was he the boss? It was. It was a good show. He had some really good.
They. Were all dancing in the middle of.
Comedians in there.
The office, weren't they in the in the opening? Yeah.
That's right. Yeah. And it was very blue collar and it it talked about things like work life, balance and relationships and friendship. And it was. It was a reverence. And it had those musical numbers had lots of celebrity guests, and it did things. It was very Deadpool in the way that it kind of broke that. 4th Wall which?
Was very different for TV at that time because when you look at all the other shows like you look at things like friends.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And other other sitcoms of of the time.
Yeah.
You didn't you? Definitely not. Blue collar and you wouldn't get that, that breaking of the. And it didn't take itself too seriously.
No. Well, I think I think it had the advantage of the fact that it had like at its core. I mean, whose line is it anyway? Is kind of the foundation, isn't it, you know?
Well, I don't know because Drew Carey show was in the 90s. When did whose line start whose line was first? Or Drew Carey was first, although whose line does feel like it's been going for a long time?
I'm sure that's been going for justice around the same time. But like Ryan? Styles and Colin mockery and that were in the British version of whose line is it is is it anyway as well?
OK, so maybe. Hold up.
Ohh well anyway I just feel like they had all that improv rapport, though that, and that's what made them work. There was chemistry.
I don't know.
It they were comedians that got along well.
Good chemistry. Yeah. And comedians are an interesting one.
Yeah, yeah.
Isn't.
That funny that because we've been watching the watching you show that you're in love with the spelling bee 1 and I watch it and I just think.
Ohh, the guy Montgomery spelling bee.
All.
These comedians like. They get along so well. With each other, but they, that's your competition. Well, yeah, I if I'm gonna pay money to see a comedian. I don't I I'm only gonna choose one. I'm not gonna choose multiple. Well.
No, I mean they're all unique.
That's the competition, but they all get.
Along it depends on the type of comedian.
They all get along and they all have fun and they all riff off each other and they all know that. They're all like they've got their own lanes as well. Like, I'm this type of funny and you're that type of funny. And when it comes. Together it's extra. Funny, I like that. I just like I like I.
Takes all types of. Fun out for me to work on that.
Like the camaraderie. Between comedians is what I'm trying to say.
I understand. I understand. They're all in it together.
And and whose line does that? Amazing and. This show did it really.
Well, there was obviously a lot of chemistry between the cars. They definitely got on very well and I think it was, you know, held together. I I, I get the feeling that Drew Carey's probably a. Pretty nice guy. I think he would be too. I don't know.
I think.
It's I'd like. I I would like. To continue to think that, so I'm just gonna stay in that that headspace, but.
I did like him fighting with Mimi. That was that was my favourite when they just it was like pranks between them. It's just so mean.
I love. That was the best. Well, they hated each other. And I remember the makeup and the costumes and all of that stuff with.
To you, it's so good.
Mimi Bits and Tim.
I feel like I've become Mimi in my old age and like I'm gonna wear the bright lipstick and I'm gonna wear lots of blush and lots of eyeshadow. I don't care. I don't care. Yeah, I love it. I love it well.
Look like you've been hit with a with a makeup shotgun. Yeah. Yeah, cool. Well, love it all. You like. The final episode of Drew Carey finished on the 8th of September 2004. And Drew ended up with the son, and he's shown moving on with his life, signalling the end for and some hope for his new character. But I think you can now stream Drew Carey.
Oh really?
Yeah, I think for the first time ever, he's actually available on a streaming service. Ohh. But of course he went on to host the prices right as well. Like he, Kerry became a price is right.
Oh.
He had a stupid microphone.
Isn't that what they always do on the prices? Right. Like a little thing.
Dies. You know our price is right. Was that Larry was Larry.
Was it? Or baby John Burgess.
Ohh, but anyway, they didn't have a. They had a label. They had a lapel microphone. Drew has that stupid one that with no. Yeah, handheld.
Larry, did the prices right. They had a lapel Mike, but Drew had a. Like, it's like a wand with the little thing on the. End.
I didn't like. I didn't like no.
Of it didn't like it, didn't like his wand with the little thing on the.
No. Was he hosting when the guy from Killswitch 1?
End of it. No, it's very. Yeah, he was. Yeah, he was. Drew Carey hosted it. Yeah. And he had no idea who he was either. Which makes perfect sense. And you know, what makes sense now?
Well, that would been a good. Time. That would have been fun.
What probably another segment? Sure. Well, we've been intellectually sparring for the entire course of this podcast, so let's get into something more intellectual. Oh, it's a book we didn't read. Great. Excellent.
And it's a nonfiction. So that's.
Another non fiction story.
Yeah, because Da Vinci Code.
Ohh Da Vinci Code, God dammit. I mean like actually God dammit.
Tell, tell me. Whatever. The New York Times bestseller nonfiction this time 20 years ago, is unfit for command by John O'Neill with Jerome Corsi.
Ohh, it's another military book. Well, let's use our legionnaire by Scott. Buckley, let's seem to. The last time.
Everyone loved it. His word on the streets. Lots of.
Yes, yes. In their book, unfit for command, John O'Neill and Co author Jerome Corsey bring together the words of more than 200 Navy veterans who served with Kerry and who feel it's their duty to. Well, why John Kerry is unworthy of the presidency? Ohh, this is a propaganda piece. Just in time for the election.
But also when CBS was doing their piece on the thing with the Bush and his military stuff. Coincidence.
Yes, they've done a. These guys have done a whole book called Unfit for command.
Or somewhere.
And so John O'Neill, the officer who took over John Kerry Swift boat in Vietnam, returned home from Vietnam only to realise that the man he served with, John Kerry, had become a leader of the radical group Vietnam Veterans against the war and was slandering his fellow. Veterans as war criminals, O'Neill debated John Kerry on *** **** Cavett Show in 1971, successfully demolishing Kerri's accusations against his fellow troops in Vietnam. Find out why John Kerry is unfit for command, as told by the men who served with him.
What?
Unfit for command?
Sound serious? Don't mess at good timing because we're leading up to the election and CBS did their expose. So let's see. Let's see what let's find out what the people thought. OK, we'll start with Alexandra. Five stars.
It does, doesn't it? Yes. Yes. What are the reviews? Let's go. Let's cut to the chase. I didn't read it. Let's hear from somebody who did. Yes.
After reading this book, I don't feel that he is fit to be dog.
Catcher. My goodness, Alexander. It sounds like he is unfit for command. Bryce Mantell, 4 stars. I can't believe I voted for him. I am ashamed. Ohh.
So Bryce has read it afterwards after the fact, like a few years later you should have read it before you voted yes.
Wow, well, that was a bit silly, isn't it? Vote wisely. Vote. Vote early. Vote often.
Yes.
It's weird too, because the ones that are giving the big stars. Yes, are hating on him and I feel like they're hating on the book, but they're not hating on the book. They love the book, cause the book's hating on him. So this whole thing's very confusing for me because normally, like the this anger comes from the one star reviews.
Well, they love the book because the, the book confirms and they speech to their feelings, yes. Yes, read on and find out why John Kerry is unfit for command.
Not the five star reviews. Rough Rawnsley 2 stars, lots of dates and facts. Not as entertaining as I had.
Hopes rights is looking for some entertainment.
What? What part? Of this, do you think is gonna be entertaining? Ross runs Lee Rawlings.
Yes, but Ross is John Kerry unfit for command? I'm not sure. Andrew acker. Ohh, that reminds me of that joke in the last action hero Schwarzenegger. It's one of the really cool one of Schwarzenegger's most underrated one liners where he walks up to the guy, he goes.
And jerika. All night, yes.
So you want to be a farmer and the guy's like what? And then he kicks him in the nuts and he goes. Here's a couple of acres.
Yes.
Anyway, Andrew Acre two stars.
Gave it two stars. He gave it a couple of acres.
Unfit for literature. I give it two stars because my grandfather RIP insisted. I read it well. Was it his dying wish? Like, listen, like he's on the deathbed. He's like grandpa. What is it? He's like, read unfit for.
OK so.
Command. It's like the Yoda death scene.
There is this other Skywalker.
Me. This is where it gets. Hard with the the nonfictions. Does it mean that Andrew didn't like the way the book was written? Or does it mean that Andrew likes? Who are we talking about?
Yeah. He tells you he excuse me, he. Says it's unfit for literature.
John Kerry.
In his two stars, but he tells you why he read it. He says, and he sits.
He read it for his. Yeah, I get that. He read it for his grandfather.
So he gave it two stars. He probably wouldn't have given it any stars because he said it was unfit for literature. He's giving it 2.
But he said unfit.
For literature, because he didn't like the typeface and the way it's written. Or does he? Does he think that that John Kerry should have been the the president? That's not explaining things.
He says it's unfit for literature and I'm I'm. Happy with that. What he says is listen very carefully to what I'm saying. Let me finish Kane.
Hey, Gabe.
OK, she, he says. I'll give it two stars because my grandfather, who is now dead, insists that I read it. So he's giving it two stars to honour his dead grandfather.
For gramps? Yeah. OK, but does that mean that he likes John Kerry? Then and Gramps didn't? And Gramps is like, trying to convert him into voting for Bush. Is that what this is? That what this is is that.
Just let the man honour his grandfather. It does not matter.
What this means? Be dead. OK.
As to whether or not John Kerry is unfit for command in this instance, well, not in Andrews, not in the context of Andrew's review. But I'm all ears for Theresa.
Well, it does because have a listened to Reza one stars review. Oppa or alpar, I'd say alpa.
Another grandfather? Yes, a Dutch one.
Hmm.
Alpa gave this to me to make sure I did. Not vote for Carey.
Right.
So what are the grandpas doing? The grandpas and mounting a campaign against John Caring? They make it by making all their grandkids, making all their grandkids. Read the book to influence their vote in in 1.7 months time.
It's inspiring.
Don't think that John Kennedy is unfit for command?
Well, yes. This one's a crasher. This one is a cracker.
That's good. OK.
Jimmy. In parentheses. Also an author, six books, 6 books way to swing your resume around, mate. Seriously.
He's written.
You should be on LinkedIn. Ohh.
One star from Jimmy, also on author six books. If John Kerry wants to throw his Vietnam medals, he has earned his right to do just that. Shame on everyone responsible for. This book that wasn't, that wasn't exciting, is what I thought it was more. Well, I think much like the actual title, unfit for command. The title Jimmy, also an author of six books.
What were you thinking is gonna? Happen you saw the author six books.
Fit for review? Yeah, unfit for review.
Mark One star best used for rubber feet or a coaster. What's rubber feet? To protect this furniture? What furniture is going to fit?
Oh, the lights the the. Yeah. From scratching the floor.
On the book.
Unfit for the floor?
It.
Doesn't make sense because if your chair scratches the floor, yeah. Books not gonna go under all four legs.
Yeah, so, so this is where? You doing the preparation and the research for the show, that's like your job. So if you've got these questions, maybe you'd like to figure out the answer. Even before we start recording.
I just read the coast a bit. I didn't read the rubber feet. I just copy paste. I saw coaster. I was like, that's funny, use it as a coaster. Put on your mark one star and then read the rubber feet bit that was in the middle of the copy paste and just read. The end for podcast.
Unprepared for this segment? You wanna talk about work life balance? I don't know. We mentioned that somewhere there. When we're talking about Drew Carey, it's this is, it's been a long evening of podcast recording and bits and pieces. So I'm sorry if I was a bit short with you in. The book segment I apologising.
It's fine.
About my apology.
Or no, the book section cause there's books, so it's fine. Don't worry about it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got thick skin, much like maybe we could use you as some rubber feet or a coaster. If your skin is. That thick no. OK, fair enough. Hatches, matches and dispatches. It is the end. We need to get out of here because we're exhausted. We're exhausted, but we're doing it for you. We're doing. It for you. And would also yes.
I really hope. Really hope that Karen and Tess aren't taking notes.
Ohh.
Because it's not going to be good. Sorry.
Unfit for jackpot questions. Just please.
Unfit for note taking. Sorry. Apologies.
Alright, they've won. They've also won too much money and.
Well, they're probably not taking notes because the jackpots really low this week. Like 50-50 bucks. It's no point taking notes for 50 bucks. That's too much.
I think I might have to confiscate in. That's it. Only 50 bucks. Nobody is. OK, let's let's no. Of course not.
Effort. It's still there. The that let's do the that thing. Let's do that.
Sorry, what? There we are. Consider yourself battered. the Hatch match and dispatch clue it it's a match this week. Yes, a celebrity who's getting married. Who's well? Yes. And I I feel like I've kind of misled you a bit. But this is the.
I got married.
Wait 20 years ago.
Person.
I thought he was obnoxious. I hated him. He just was in your face, singing, dancing, going crazy. I was. Like back off.
Yes.
I think you can figure. It out from the.
Maybe a little bit, but if you said Kelly Baldwin. I think you'd be a genius because I don't know anyone who knows who Kelly Baldwin is, but.
In the background. Was it's gonna blow Molly, you.
It's gonna be may, but it's not may. It's September, which makes things even more confusing. Kelly Baldwin married *NSYNC singer Joey for Tony. Is it Joey for Tony? It's for tone. Cause I I get like it's a very.
But no for tone for. For. Tiny, tiny. Tiny.
When they do young talent time. Remember you had Joey Peroni.
No. What did you like the beer?
Yeah, I thought he was. Wasn't there a was there a Joey Peroni in young? I don't know. Anyway, it's Joey for Tony.
Well, see. Ohh no, there was Danny Minogue.
It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. I've look. I've seriously taken us off on a tangent. We don't wanna go on so.
Martika although she was kids incorporated.
Let's come back to this, yeah.
Joe fatone. Marries. Yeah. Kelly Baldwin and a castle. They got married in a castle in Huntington, NY.
Both the same age, 27 years old, they were. Yes, Oheka Castle Castle in Huntington, NY ohika.
I wasn't gonna say. That I didn't know how to. Ohika. Hmm. They met when they were in high school in 1993. 3 and when he joined in, since they're kind of on and off.
Yes. They were a little bit. Do you wanna hear a little?
Oh.
Bit more about the wedding.
I thought he was obnoxious. I hated him. He just was in your face, singing, dancing, going crazy. I was, like, back off just, you know, back off a.
Little bit 2 seconds. I backed off and then.
What do you?
Like to type. What's the what's right here?
We were inseparable. We were together day in and day out for a good, solid three to four years. But I would say before I even like, then sink everything else started going on the road.
In no big hurry to get hitched. The couple had daughter, Brianna in March 2001, but in 2003, on their 10 year anniversary, Joey decided to make it official.
So it already had kids and all that sort of stuff and then they decided, you know, they're living in sin.
Hmm.
They were.
He judgey judging him.
I'm not judging. I'm just saying that's what it is in the eyes of the Lord. They were living in sin, and most of these pop singers all come from that sort of, you know.
So you are. Ohh with their what was it? What was the rings? Called the purities.
The promise rings promise rings.
Promise ring purity promise. Ohh. Cheryl knows his promise.
I don't. Yeah, they weren't worth the finger that they were slipped on. None of them. None of them. Those guys, they were taking everything that moved, yeah.
OK.
Did.
You know, there was a rumour that Joey Fatone was dating pink in the early I think in 2000. And she said no. He just took me to friendlies as a casual date.
Really. Well.
There you go. Not like a date. Date. I just wanted ice cream. We're in the friend zone at friendlies. That's appropriate, isn't it? Very apps.
Uh. Joey for Joey. Out of all the members of *NSYNC to be friend zoned. I mean, there's two of them, but Joey Fatone's definitely one. And then there's the other one that's got the horrible godie which fish Kirkpatrick? Yeah, he looked. He looks like a candidate for being friend zone.
Chris Kirkpatrick, you can get your **** kicked worse than the little biscuit ********. Pineapple hair? Yeah. When they do the yeah.
Definitely.
I think Joey is the nice like Christina. Christina, I think she's Christina. Vintage millennial. Now from the *NSYNC.
Yeah. Right.
Paul Paul cast ready to Fall podcast.
Other podcast goodness me, I told you it's been a long night. Are you OK? You sure? Keep going.
Very.
Tired and I'm very tired. Need a nap? I think she's met Joey for Tony and I'm pretty sure she said he's the nicest person in the history of forever.
Really, he strikes me as a nice guy. She's probably a bit starstruck at.
This.
The time, but I trust. Yeah, I trust her implicitly. I've never met her. I've never met her in my life. But we've chatted enough on Instagram for me to go. There's someone that I.
Is it?
Would trust with my life.
Yes, yeah, history of forever. Joe fatone. Nice guy. Total sweetheart, that's what Pink said. Pink says will sound like and total sweetheart. Yeah, so then he rekindles his romance.
So we got friend zoned. By pink we.
Miss Kelly.
Yeah. They also had kids, by the way.
And then they had the kids.
Yes. Ohh that was in the 2005. So I haven't had kids yet. Yeah.
Rihanna, Rihanna.
Brianna. Brianna. Brianna. BRIAHNA. Brianna.
No. Brianna. Exactly a year after no strings attach.
Yep.
Which is ending album not their relationship. They became engaged in the fall of 2002. Then this week, 20 years ago, they got married at the castle that we spoke about earlier.
No. Ohca Rihanna ohika.
The Council.
And all of his *NSYNC band mates were there really? Yes. And Lance is actually godfather. To Brahana and Chloe, Chloe spelled KLOEY.
Oh.
That's worse than the Kardashian spelling.
Chloe with a K.
That's worse that Kardashian is with a K, but I think that one's worse.
Well, that's a Kardashian's. A surname. You can't kind of help that, but when you're going.
No, Khloe, Khloe, Kardashians with a K. But the rest of the Chloe is regular Chloe.
Oh, that's. Isn't Khloe Kardashian Kardashian like Khloe?
Boy, I think there's an, umm, louse as well, isn't there? I don't know. No, this Chloe is just worse. But anyway, Lance Lance.
Ohh Jesus. Well. He's the godfather of his children. That's amazing.
Is. I love Lance. But all good things come to an end. They file for divorce in 2019. Apparently they've been separated for some time, and then they made it divorce official in 2019.
Yeah. That's sad. That's a shame, isn't it?
He's got a new, I don't know. If it's a wife or. A girlfriend? He's got someone else now it's.
Really. Well, all good things do come to an end.
Alright, he's he's moved on.
And I don't know. I don't know.
Ohh you were trying to end the show guys.
Well, I don't know if this has been a good thing, but it's definitely come to an end and much like.
It's a thing all things come to an end.
Much like for Tony and his missus, we have to split.
The tone.
For Tony, it's for Tony. For as long as I live now, if he listen, if he's gonna spell his kids names like that, I'm calling him Joe. If Tony don't care if he's a nice guy or not, I'm I really apologise to any instinct fans that are listening. Please do not send hate mail to me. I do.
OK so.
Not have the mental fortitude to cope. OK, I'm. I'm more than happy to sit here in my little home behind this microphone throwing stones. But I do not have the mental fortitude to take what I give. OK? So just be nice. And the reason why you've listened to this podcast is because I do think you are nice.
With with fencing cake, ma'am.
We both value your company. We both really appreciate you coming along. Each and every week, putting us on your list of downloads and and just chilling out with us for an hour and a half. Whether you're doing, I don't know what you do, I don't really care unless you come talk to us on the socials. If you talk to us on the socials, we could have a chat about it. Facebook, Instagram, maybe. Tick tock. I don't.
Know did I? Is there anything worth plugging next week? Mel? No. Because I haven't done any. No.
OK. Well, let's wrap. Let's wrap this up. We'll see you next week.
No, I haven't even thought about it.
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