Shaun of The Dead - 20 years on from the romzomcom

Hold onto your iPod Classic and crank up the Green Day because we're time-traveling back to the week of 19 September 2004! 🚀

If you were glued to The Weather Channel, you might remember Hurricane Jeanne 🌪️. This Category 3 beast tore through the Caribbean and Florida with winds strong enough to blow away your summer BBQ plans (and maybe your roof). Jeanne became the deadliest hurricane since '98, giving us all some serious disaster-movie vibes. 😬

Meanwhile, over at Apple HQ, Steve Jobs dropped the iMac G5 💻, which was just 2 inches thick (futuristic for 2004 standards). It was sleek, white, and the perfect desktop for those of us who loved tech that looked like it came from a spaceship 🛸.

Now let’s talk music 🎧. Maroon 5 was crooning "She Will Be Loved" 💔, and over in the UK, Eric Prydz's "Call On Me" 🎶 was getting everyone to hit the gym—thanks to that infamous aerobics video. On the edgier side, Green Day unleashed their magnum opus, American Idiot, sending teens everywhere into full-on rebellion mode. 🤘 Sixteen million albums sold, and a whole generation screaming “Don't wanna be an American Idiot!”

On the small screen 📺, we got a double dose of awesome with the debut of Veronica Mars 🔍, the snarky teen detective we didn’t know we needed, and the mind-bending premiere of Lost 🛬. That opening scene with the plane crash? Jaw. Dropping.

And we can’t forget Shaun of the Dead 🧟, which landed in US theaters and gave us the perfect rom-zom-com combo—zombies, laughs, and a good ol' pint at The Winchester 🍺.

Ahh, 2004. Simpler times, emo bangs, and all.

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Chapters

• 0:00 intro
• 0:26 show opener
• 8:16 news
• 15:08 tech
• 24:10 music
• 37:42 movies and tv
• 1:16:56 hatches, matches and dispatches
• 1:25:03 show closer

Transcript

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The year is 2004. Your polyphonic ringtone habit is sending you broke. George W Bush is sworn in for a second term, and in spite of everything going on, the most controversial thing is a wardrobe malfunction at the Super Bowl. T -, 20 rewind 20 years with Joe and Mel. 

Week. 

Oh, 19 September 2004. 

The rest is history. 

You know what? I'm very forgetful. Hello there stop trying to make fetch happen. You're fired, fellow Americans. Let's roll. What are we? Waiting for this is harder than I thought it would be. 

When this show hits 88 mph, you're gonna see some serious. Well, actually, you're not, because we don't understand all that metric and imperial stuff all that well, I can't convert that. But it's t -, 20 it is. I I was making a reference to back to the future, and it kind of all just fell apart right before my very eyes, which is what often happens. In this little podcast, which is your time capsule back to the year 2004, this time in history 20 years ago, the show is called t -, 20 with your hosts the very capable Mel and me, the very inept Joe. 

Hi. Hi. Welcome everybody. Thank you for joining us. We are looking at the 19th to the 25th of September in 2000. And four. 

2900 people in Daytona Beach have chosen to run for cover, bunking down in 24 shelters throughout Volusia County. 

There was a big hurricane, it's hurricane season, it's tornado season. We've had a few of them and this one was just another one in a long list of hurricanes that were occurring this time 20 years ago. 

It is the. Yeah. 

Pretty bad. 

What would the creators of the iPod do for their next computer? We'd like to be the first to show you the all new. IMac. 

Wow, a big reveal. The all new iMac. 

Oh. That doesn't sound like jobs either. Suspicious. Awesome. 

No, no. He was on sick leave. I believe we'll find out. Maybe what was wrong with Steve Jobs and what the new iMac had installed a little bit later on. I think that modern life is not for you. 

Do you ever. Do you do the same dead end job every day? Is your love life dying on its feet? 

The movie that we're talking about there is a fantastic film. It's one of those films that. 

Ah yes. 

Has dated incredibly well. It's just enduring and a little bit of a surprise later on in the show, a massively special connection. I was fortunate enough back in the day to interview both the director and the star of that film so and I found a copy of it, so you'll hear. 

A special connection to this movie, yeah. 

All of that in its glory a little bit later on as. 

Amazing. 

Well, what are you doing over there? What are you? 

What? Ohh. 

Why are you fidgeting with your chin so it don't do? That this is. 

Gonna turn into. Ohh gosh, I'm old. One of those. Segments. 

Ohh will we do it every week? How old are we? How old are? 

Yeah. So feel free to feel free to skip ahead everybody. 

We this week. 

I've got. 

New chin hairs. 

Ohh. 

So I've gone through life with two hairs. 2 random hairs. I've got Molly over here and I had a chin hair. From the time I rode my bike with no hands to the cambar shops in 1991. Yeah, spoiler that I didn't make it. I fell off just after the underpass. 

In your face 2. In your face. Yes. 

Right at the shops just after the underpass, I split my chin open and for some reason that a hair just. 

Why so? Why do? You have a hair on me. If we were here ohh. I thought they didn't like to like give you a graft or something where they take a patch of. 

Started. Yeah, well, I. I should say a whisker. Not just a hair like a whisker. 

Chicken. 

Someone's or something? No, no. It just mysteriously grew through this whisker. 

And from your saw. Yeah. That was good. That was good. I like it how you went for the leg and I went for the. That's. Yeah. That kind of just sums up the dynamic in this relationship, doesn't it? 

Yes, typical, she says. A lot. 

Really. But I knew that I had those two heads and I knew their growth cycle and I could get them before they came and became a a problem. And it's not just a head like a whisker. Like they're so sick. 

You got 2 heads. 

Yep. 

Take one cycle. 

Hmm. 

You can feel it in your chin bone when you pull it out and it. Like ohh God, that feels good. It's just this. 

It's like. Taken root. 

There's this satisfaction with it. 

Do you feel like a pool in the like? I know it's at the base of your chin. Do you feel a pool like from the top of your head? 

Hmm yeah. 

All the way from like my eyebrow. Maybe it's connected behind the scenes or something, but that was and once I grew it out, I grew the chin one out over someone. That was great. Anyway, I was some I knew about them, but now, now that I've hit this age, I'm losing all the hair on my hair. Just yeah. And I'm just getting like whiskers everywhere unexpectedly and I can't keep. 

Wow. Yes. Yeah. 

I'm. 

Up. 

Hmm. 

I can't keep up and I've got this, this one here. I've been trying to get rid of it for about four days. You can't see it, it's it's just poking out. But I just. I'm not familiar with it. I'm not familiar with its angle or density, and I just I can't get it. And I just, I don't know. I need to invent some tweezers that are for chin hairs as opposed to splinters. 

Right. 

Yeah. 

What I'm saying? 

Well, look, the good news. The good news is, is the mole with the hair. Yes. So I went to the doctor's the other day to get a mole checked and they said if it's got a hair growing out of it, it's it's good. That's a safe mould. So there you go. It's got a hair growing out it like it can it can it can, it can support. 

That's a size small good. 

Life. So it's a good mole. It's not a death mole cause it can support life with the hair so. 

I always like a good. 

So that's good. 

Mall, yeah. 

But one fan. You why don't you just go to the professionals and get the laser? Why don't you get the laser? 

The laser. That's probably a good idea, and it's starting to get the point where I probably have to get a laser. I'm I am this close to getting, you know, the. 

That. 

The lady face shavy thing. You know how that became. Cool a few. 

No, I don't know what that is. 

Years ago, it's like a thing. I saw it on the TikTok and you just. 

Ohh so instead of a laser it's a razor. 

It's a. 

But it's like one that just sort of scrapes and it scrapes all the skin. But I think it's. More for skin. 

And it's fully eighteen. Well. 

Cells and it's like really satisfying to see all the fluff come off. I'm this far away from one of those because it's just it's there and it's driving me crazy and it's not long enough and I just can't get it out. 

That's disgusting. 

Well. 

You've got a birthday coming up, so you know laser, maybe I'll get you some. Would you be offended if I did that? 

Some. No, I need to get rid of this thing. It's driving. 

Me insane. I was a I was a late bloomer, so I always struggled with. 

Have you? Are you getting any chin hairs? No. 

Body hair? No, not. Really. Well, I've got lots of chin hairs and they're very grey, but I've always struggled with nasal hair. It just it just does not stop growing. It's like it's like if you were. 

Ohh. 

You know, if somebody plants bamboo in their garden and they're like, oh, don't, don't ever plant bamboo, you'll never get rid of it. Yes. Yes, yes, that's what it's like, really. Yes. And I'm going grey as well. Everywhere is grey. 

Yes, that that shoots forever. Yeah, yeah. 

So you've got. Nose hairs. 

Yes, I've, I've got grey. Hairs. I've just got grey hair everywhere. And is it any wonder doing a podcast with you and having to be a parent? And I mean, blokes are naturally hairy anyway, so getting hair in weird places or like I said, I struggled. I couldn't grow a beard until I was God, 4045. 

Now you're growing one out of your nose. 

Yes. And it's taken so long and every time I go to the Barber, he. Calls it. And I find that. Salty, that is. Yeah. Yeah, just be careful, mate. I'll go full Gandalf on. 

You you shall not pass. 

That's kind of fitting to the Gandalf things like Little Hobbit came in and played the recorder. 

You're calling me all but now? Yes. 

I don't know if you got hair on the top of your feet. Yeah. There. Yeah. You are a Hobbit. I knew it. You freaking Hobbit. It's time for the Hatch match a dispatch clue. We've got a dispatch this week. A celebrity that passed away that said this. 

Oh. 

You didn't. You didn't take my final warning. You found out how easy it is to get locked up and how hard it is to escape. Rude. I find out that you're the big mouth behind the weasel. Get talked about my Mama now. I'm coming after you and they'll be no escape. 

Ohh yes, a celebrity who passed away. We will find out who that celebrity is at the end of the show. 

23rd of September 2004, we had Hurricane Jean. It reaches peak intensity on the 23rd and becomes the deadliest hurricane in the Atlantic Basin since 1998. Yeah, big one. 

Is that right? This is Jean, cause you're such an inoffensive name. Like if you're going to the CWA meeting, I think Gene would bring a plate of freshly baked lamingtons. It's gone. Yeah, it's gone. Probably. Yes, it'd be scone. It'd be scones. And Jean would be like. And my secret recipe is I put lemonade in them. 

It is, isn't it? Scones. No, I think scones lamingtons are probably bit out there for a gene. Lemonades. 

Hmm. 

I don't know if you can do that. Don't you get disqualified for lemonade? I think that I think that that's caused a few. 

Tracy well. 

Problems. 

I think whatever it takes to get you across the line with scones. 

I don't think Gene would do that. No, I think Gene would do the legit recipe, she. 

You don't reckon? 

Wouldn't wanna be disqualified? 

All right. 

Alright, well my my picture of Jean is very different to your picture of Jean. If that's the case, cause I feel like Jean would put lemonade in. Scones. 

Hmm. 

I think, well, she didn't put lemonade in anything at the moment. Jean went and wreaked havoc in the Atlantic Basin. 

Hmm. Originated from a tropical wave that moved off the coast of Africa. 

Maybe that was her perm. Jeans, perm stoppage waves. 

A tropical wave that does sound like a. Good perm doesn't. 

Oh, Jane. 

It that'll just be like the body wave, not the really tight. 

Do you find the time you've baked some beautiful scones for the CWA meeting and you've rocked up with a tropical wave? 

That tropical wave. And beautiful perman set. On September the 7th. 

She rocked up with a tropical wave. 

Right. 

It gradually moved westward towards the Atlantic Ocean and then became a hurricane on the 16th of September, reaching category one status on the wind scale and then reached peak intensity. As we mentioned on the 25th. As a Category 3 hurricane with maximum sustained winds of 120 mph or 195 kilometres. And a minimum central pressure of 950 millibars. I think that's a lot based on the last one that we I think Ivan was a lot less than that from memories. 

Yes. That's right. And and and if you stay tuned as well to the next episode of T -, 20, we're gonna move on from chin and body hair to talking about where we in our old age sit on the wind scale. No, we're not. So Jean made landfall near Stuart in Florida on September 26 in 2004, and I mean Florida is where all good retirees go. 

No, I feel like that would there'd be lots of. Stewarts there Tan, tan stewarts. 

Would be lots of lots of jeans, lots of jeans in Florida as well, even in tropical heat, the old people will be wearing jeans, I'm sure. 

Lots of jeans and lots of Stewarts. 

Maybe a sensible pair of chinos? What am I doing? It's a Category 3 hurricane at this stage. OK, winds of 120. No joke, no. Well, that's 195 kilometres an hour in our in our system. Remarkably, though, landfall occurred just miles from where Hurricane Francis had made landfall three weeks earlier. So they're like. 

Ohh, we didn't talk about Francis cause I felt like we were getting a bit heavy on the hurricane contents cause we'd had Ivan and I thought ohh we'll just skip over Francis cause I know jeans on the way. 

On the. So you skipped over one. Well, yeah, we did. Well, funnily enough, a lot of the businesses in that area just left all the boards up. They thought Ohh probably another one they hadn't. 

Really. 

Back to recover from Francis. And they'd had Ivan as well. So they just left everything up. 

It is the season, yes. 

2900 people in Daytona Beach have chosen to run for cover, bunking down in 24 shelters throughout Volusia County. Half of their special needs shelters are closed because they're packed to capacity. Speaking of clothes to many business owners. Didn't even bother to take down the plywood they put up during Hurricane Charlie and Francis. Waiting out the storm means many of them are losing a lot of cash from vacationing tourists. Hurricane Jean is strike three to many of them while they remain out. 

Oh yes, we do, Mr. 

Ohh, skipped Charlie as well. Whoops. 

But also, that's right too. It is the end of the tourism season. Summer's winding up, obviously, it's sort of the first month of autumn, so a few people are are sort of having a last minute holiday, I guess before it gets too cool, although I don't think it gets all that cool in that part of the. 

Ohh close. 

World, but in on a more serious note, it was actually quite a devastating hurricane, specifically in Haiti, where it caused catastrophic flooding. Mud slides, the whole works, the storm dropped. Torrential rain, especially in the northern part of the country, it led to the deaths of, and this is awful. 3000 people in Haiti. Yeah, and the city of Gonaives was hit the hardest there, with large portions of the city submerged and thousands of homes destroyed or severely damaged. It wasn't so bad. That, I mean, Haiti doesn't have the kind of infrastructure and and stuff that that they have in Florida. So it wasn't so bad in Florida, but it did cause some damage. 

Yeah. 

Yeah, damage was pretty widespread. There was significant coastal flooding knocked out power to more than 3 million homes, and businesses across the state. Some were actually without power for days or even weeks, and utility companies struggled to restore the service amid the damage. Because, like we said, there was. Multiple. 

That's right. So they'll start the recovery and then three weeks later, there's another. 

Hurricanes and storms. 

Today. 

One, yeah. Yeah. Homes were damaged. Roofs were torn off, windows shattered structures. Flooded. It was particularly severe in areas like Martin County and Palm Beach County, and six direct fatalities in. Florida. 

It's a little bit different to 3000 in Haiti. They weren't taking it as seriously over there, and that is very clear from this news report. 

Yeah, yeah. 

But down at the beach there was this couple they are planning to move to Florida and they wanted to get a first hand look. At a hurricane, does it make you leery? 

At all. Ohh, Emily not I think this is fantastic seeing coming out here looking at this I've never seen the hurricane on an ocean before, never in my life and that's why we had to come down. Here, look at this. But hey, hurricanes, a hurricane. 

The Hurricanes, the hurricane, everyone else is. 

Ohh, just doing a bit of market research. Before we move over. 

So you've got run for cover. Get into the shelters and then there's people like, oh, we're thinking of moving here, so we might as well just stand. 

User testing. Yeah, yeah, get a feel. 

Out in it. And see what it's like. A. For the hurricane. Yeah. Ohh no, I think I'll be right. Yeah, we'll definitely move out here. I'm not too worried about it. It feels OK to me. Hurricanes. A hurricane. No worries at. Well, the total estimated damage for from gene not for gene from gene was approximately $7.94 billion, that's U.S. dollars. So it's adding up Charlie Francis who we didn't talk about like the damage bill from all of these hurricanes is having quite an impact on the economy. 

Geez. That's a lot. 

Homes, businesses, infrastructure, agriculture in the Bahamas and the United States, particularly Florida, and then a few idiot retirees thinking of moving there, just trying to get a feel for the hurricane as well. Try before you buy. 

Ohh into technology. After being announced in August, the iMac. 

Don't get too excited. Whoa into technology. 

It always feel like it clears out my earwax, to be honest, that opener just feels like it just sort of loosens it up. Yeah, after wearing headphones, you know the little in ear buds, it kind of pushes it in and then you. 

Well, the technology noise. Depressurizes. 

Hmm. 

Play. That and it just goes. I can hear again. It's great clarity, Heckle, clarity coming through right now. I have no idea what you've set up until now. 

Pops it then. Yeah, well, you're. You're welcome. You're welcome. Was the the least I could do. 

But now I can hear you loud and clear. So we had a big announcement in August. I think it was a Mac. 

Good. 

It was a Mac presentation. One of the things that they do, I think it was over in Paris or something and they announced the iMac G5, then Fast forward to this week, 20 years ago, it's released, people can start buying it. 

OK. They they did, they were doing a lot of keynotes. They'll do more than, yeah. 

You were in a lot of different countries too. They going abroad? Yes. This one was a significant update to the iMac line. There was a pretty major design shift and lots of new features. 

Hmm. 

What would the creators of the iPod do for their next computer? We'd like to be the first to show you the all new iMac. And that's what the new iMac looks like. Rather. Rather than just the display now floating in the air over your desk, the entire computer floats in the air on an aluminium foot over your desk. It all fits in there, and the world's thinnest computer desktop computer, less than two inches thin. 

Hmm. Sleep sleek. Levitating. Minimalist. 

A levitating computer magic magic. 

With all the components integrated behind the flat panel display. 

Display ah, you got a hard drive processor all built into the display, yes. 

Yes, I was in the the monastery that's had all this stuff. 

I remember these ones, this was this was revolutionary and this kind of set the design for those iMacs for quite a few years. 

Yes, yeah. But then you get worried when it's all in in the monitor, cause you think, well, how do you fix it when it goes wrong? I would love to be the inventor of something and then bring out new things and announce it and people clap. Imagine that. Imagine that like. 

To come. 

Hmm. 

New iterations, yeah. They went crazy. Bravo. 

Melani's new chin hair. Tweezers. I think that is. Actually a good thing to get onto I. 

Bravo. Yeah. Or you could just, like I said, it doesn't. I'm getting your voucher for laser. You don't even need to do it. It's enough. 

Might look into that perfect angle to just. Yeah, and it wasn't. It wasn't Jobson, either. That was Phillip Phillip Schiller. 

Yes. 

Philly, where was jobby? 

Hey. 

He was having surgery on what? I don't know. Maybe. Maybe he's having some laser. I don't know. He wasn't there. Maybe he ran out of skivvies or something. 

Chin has hmm. Yes. It's like Eddie, sorry, said, Phil. Phil you you've got this one, you're gonna launch the G5. Feels like, oh, oh. 

And just. Come on mate. It's time to shine. All right. He did alright. I wonder. 

He did pretty good, pretty good. 

How he would pronounce Jaguar? 

Well, he'd probably do it properly. He might do. Jobs are out of a job, so the thinnest computer ever floats, floats in the air on an on an aluminium foot. 

Yes. 

Hmm. 

Thinnest hmm. Levitates. Aluminium. 

Aluminium foot and aluminium foot two inches thick like he said, one of the slimmest desk tops of its time. It focused on reducing clutter and it did that very well front. 

I like. Yeah, I like that. 

Face. Minimal visible ports. I didn't like one of the biggest design for. Was with IMAX at that stage, was all of the ports are in the back. So if you wanted to plug a USB stick in, you just kind of feel around. 

Yeah, it's annoying. And you always put it in. Well, you go to put it in the right way and then you go. Ohh, no, I've done it wrong. And then you flip it over and you're like, ohh no. Now I have done it wrong this time and. Then you flip it back and. You're like, oh, I had it right. The first time, it's always like a three, three twist till you get it at least. 

Yes, yes, it's very difficult. I mean well, the USB, yes, of course cause you don't know if it's upside down or or what every time anyway. And then you've got the the added frustration of having to not actually look at. 

It's annoying. 

Hmm. 

Where you're sticking the USB stick while you're sticking it in. 

Yes, you don't wanna damage the levitating computer either. 

It's ridiculous. So you know the specs like you know how when you go and you purchase an. Apple thing and. 

Ohh, tell me. Speak me up. Tell me. Talk specky to me please. 

You get the specs when you when you go. When you go into. The computer. Well, well, one thing that I find with the specs is like they'll be like, you know, Mac mini from this much. And then it's like, yeah, but I want more processing power. And I want all these things and Add all the things and the next. 

You gotta add. Yeah, yeah. 

You know it's gone from being a $1000 thing to a $20,000 thing and you're like. 

Yeah. 

Oh wow. 

Yeah, with just a few. 

Clicks. Yes, yes, I. AM. Be getting that now available in speeds of 1.6, gigahertz, 1.8, gigahertz or two gigahertz. It came with 256 massive megabits of RAM, which was standard. Mac Mini has 16. 

Yeah, I was doing a bit of a comparison with with House computer today's House computer, so 256 megabytes compared with 16 gigabytes. And I think Mac Mini's pretty basic. 

Yeah. 

Did I say megabits or megabytes? I meant to say mega. 

Afternoon. 

Lights. Anyway, something happened there. The yeah, the. So the Mac Mini has 16. That's your one? Yeah. 

Bit bite, whatever. Past participle. That's my one. I was just doing a comparison because I was interested in in what the difference was. And that sounds like. 

A lot. Well, Apple silicon is a bit different to the old chips as well. So even though you've got less round, they still they still perform better. That's right. I think you're comparing apples and Intel chips. Yes, potentially it had 80 to 160 gigabits of storage. 

Am I comparing apples and not apples? Oh, OK. But don't worry about the next comparison then. 

How much does that one have? Your one have the storage is still the same about a TB, right? 

It has. It's still the same thing. 994.66 gigabyte. Ohh and. 

Tip round it up. 

Oh GB, GB, GB, so it's nearly nearly 1000. But can you get on there because it's got like, it's almost red. There's, I think I've got about 5 GB's left. Yeah. Can you take some things off for me? I don't know. It's just got a long red line telling me. Excuse me. 

Sorry, not a TB. Jesus, no. You've run out of storage. Well, what's on there? You've well, you need to. You need to archive some things anyway. It's shipped with Mac OS X. 

Cool. 

Hmm, OK. 

10.3 Panther. 

Well, that's also my minia haven't updated lately. 

We are that. 

Doesn't surprise me, do you don't maintain any of your stuff? 

Yes. 

I'm too scared. I'm scared that all the things I plug in won't work anymore if I upgrade. 

And I'm sorry for he talked to a couple of. So you know, when we spoke a couple of weeks ago about you getting that ring tone, that's what it took you. So freaking long cause you don't update anything. So and it was later compatible with Tiger. It was priced at U.S. dollars. This is how much would that cost? Thank you Mel. I'm glad. 

Yes, OK. 

You asked 1299 U.S. dollars for the 17 incher. 

That's a lot U.S. dollars for 2004. 

Yeah, pretty bass. Two 1.6 gigahertz processor, 256 megabytes of RAM and 80 gigabyte hard drive. And then the next on the 17 inch with the faster processor and more RAM was 1499 U.S. dollars. And then 1899 U.S. dollars for the top of the line, one with the. 

Goodbye. 

Mother. With lots of Rams, lots of Browning. 

Yeah. Yeah. It's widely praised for its innovative design. 

That's expensive though, Sebastian. 

Is a nice little computer. When it first came. 

Yeah, yeah, I think they had it at one of the you know where? 

It's really good. 

You get your. Licence done. What's that called that place? 

The Department of Motor vehicles. Well, it's well, they used to call it the motor Registry, but now it's like service NSW, yes. 

Something like that. I went to get my. Licence. I know it was it. Was pre service NSW yeah and they had they had those Max and. I thought that's very progressive. It's very progressive, I. 

I look very flash. 

Would have expected you to be on a. PC. 

Yes, that's a. 

I like your levitating monitors. That's very edgy. Can I have my? 

I I agree. Yep, that is a forward thinking IT department right there that's right, forward thinking include. 

Licence. 

Hmm I I thought so too. I thought so too, yes. 

Hmm. 

Chief. 

Hmm. Levitating. 

That IT department was so forward thinking they had pronouns back in 2004. 

Very progressive. It was widely praised the iMac G5 for its design and the move to that all in one form factor. I think that even the predecessors it was all in one, but I think all the. Bits and bobs were in the stand rather than in the monitor itself, so this was the first time they kind of shoved it all up into the monitor, and it was suspiciously similar in look and feel to the iPod. 

Yes. Threw everything. The. Ohh, that was saying that. 

And I think that's what they alluded to. That's what fake jobs he was saying was like. 

It's not fake jobs, it's Phil's jobs. He's too. I see. 

Backup jobs, backup jobs and then, sorry, I think that's what they're alluding to. It's like, well, you know, what are we gonna do after the iPod? And it it did kind of look like that. If you go back and look at pictures, it did look like that. 

Yeah. 

And people like the minimal aesthetic. Yeah. And it was well received, well received. 

Big computer cluttering up your desk. 

No, plenty of room for trinkets. 

Ohh yeah, like like chia pets and wish Nick Trolls music now and I'm look, I'm just gonna go for break straight away. Gonna kick straight into the Billboard top five for the week commencing what was. 

It 19 September 2004. 

Didn't know that. It's disgraceful. 

My baby boy. 

Don't dance. Just pull up my pants and do the rock away. Leave, leave. 

Wow. 

Now the goodies are still in the. 

Jar she I was listening to one of her other songs when I was at the gym and she referred to the. She's in the. Song. I love it when people cross reference their own songs. It's nice. It's nice for continuity. 

Really. Hmm, it is nice. There's actually Speaking of jars. There's another segment about getting old that we can talk about in a future episode with Jazz. Yeah, we we won't go to that now because we need material. So we'll talk about that later. So goodies. #1. What else have we got there? 

Ohh, when you made me have to open the Pickles with you today. We'll save the Pickles in the jar. Lean back. No terror squad feet, no terror squad inclusive of Fat Joe because he was part of terror squad, he wasn't guesting. 

Fat Joe and or Terror squad featuring Fat Joe. He's basically he's the main event. OK. Hmm. 

Is sunshine. Law flip, Leah. 

M. 

My place, nella maroon, maroon, and I'm gonna call her Maroon 5, right. Maroon 5. 

Yes. Right. She will be loved, which is also the number one song in Australia this time 20 years ago. That'll do. We don't need to hear that again. 

Will be. No one of their most popular and enduring songs, third single from their debut studio album. 

Yes. Was that that third single? Well, ****** me, actually don't. 

Songs about Jane had. That there's nothing something else in 2000. 

Ohh yeah that one. OK, thank you Eric cutman. 

Good. 

The album, songs about Jane, is heavily inspired by lead vocalist Adam Levine's relationship with his ex girlfriend, Jane. 

Yes, as opposed to the the songs about Gene, which is somebody's relationship with a hurricane while they were thinking of moving to Florida, yes. 

I watched the video clip. I really didn't want to talk about Maroon 5. I just have a problem with Adam. Levine for some. 

Yeah. Well, with these bubble gum tattoos, yeah. 

Reason I don't. Know why just I. 

Just have a problem with him. Since that tweet. I can't. I can't move on the tweet. The DM, I don't know. I can't move on, but I I watched the video clip and this makes me dislike him even more. 

OK. 

Can I have a rent can? 

Sure, go fire away. 

I have an animal being. 

Rent. So I thought, ah, I remember the video. The clip and then I turned it on. I was like ohh now I do cause it jumps. In the water in. The pool at the start. Remember that just in the water. I think he's wearing his clothes because I was looking to see if he had the tattoos that look like the Chipotle wrapper at this point. But he had his clothes on, so I didn't know anyway. Jumps in the water and then so he's like going steady with this chick. 

Does he? No, it's busy. In the video clip. 

In the video clip. 

Part of the story that's unfolding before your eyes. 

And then he gets the hots for her mum, who's played by. Is it Kelly Preston? Kelly Preston is the mum and he gets the hots for the mum and gets it on with the mum and I'm like, excuse me. 

Right. 

Yes. 

If this isn't Stacy's mum has got it going on. Like RIP off. 

Hmm. 

Well, I was gonna say if the other girl's name was Stacey, perfectly understandable. 

Raged. I am outraged. I'm just like, come on, mate. This was done two years ago or a year and a half. When was Stacy's mum? I. 

Hmm. 

Yes. 

Don't know that's lazy. 

Yes, and Fountains Of Wayne should sue. 

Completely lazy anyway. That makes me like him even less. 

Hmm, it is like. Well, OK, that's. 

Just needed to share that. Just need to get that. Off my chest. 

As like as long as you found, as long as you hate is built on a solid foundation, that's OK with me. That's the number one in the UK. Ohh. 

Crazy. 

Yeah. Ah, bit of Duff. Duff. 

Ohh. Look, I I'm not generally a fan of Doof doof, but the video that accompany this. It is a thing of just beauty and wonder that still stands up, resonates in the nether regions of. 

Yes, yes. 

It resonates. Does it bit of good vibrations? 

To this day. That was call on me by Eric Prydz. Yes. 

And the video. 

So. 

Clip would you like to describe the video? 

The video clip so there there was a film back in the No, it ripped off a film back in the 80s with John Travolta and Jamie Lee Curtis in it called Perfect. 

Clip for everyone at home. Didn't RIP off Stacy's mum. Hang on, wasn't Kelly Preston, John Travolta's wife? 

Ohh my God, just becoming something. 

Calm down everybody. 

So it can't continue. 

So so yes, a a movie from the 80s called perfect with with John Travolta and Jamie Lee Curtis. And there's a particular scene where Jamie Lee Curtis, who had a bang and body back in the day, still does have a banging body. She's great. She's doing, she's in an aerobics class and travoltas in there as well. 

Yes, OK. Ohh yeah. 

She's amazing. I really like her. Yeah. An 80s aerobics class. 

Yeah. And they were in the 80s. So this video, yes. So this video clip appropriates that particular scene. 

Was there an elastic belt? 

And it's just a bunch of gorgeous models and a guy. 

Oleta. 

In Leotard's, but not not leaving a lot to the imagination. 

J string. Jay, stirring leotard. 

It look, just do yourself a favour, fellas. Go onto YouTube, call on me Eric Prince and enjoy. You're welcome. Thank me in advance for the next 3 1/2 minutes. You it will take you to a place that you will not wanna come back from. 

That's me of. Where I used to go with my mum to the Chisholm Community Centre for aerobics. In the 80s. 

I don't think it does. 

No, they did. They wore G string leotard. Mutts and that? I just thought that's a bit. 

Much, Mel, you're ruining it for me because I'm picturing Jean showing. 

Up my auntie was there. 

Yes, in, in in a G string. Lee. It's over the plate of stones. And that's not the it's not. 

Think my grandma went? Lots of mums there. 

Not the visual that I'm going for here. 

Lots. 

There's a few seniors, lots of, yeah, lots of G strings and elastic belt. 

Once again. Go onto. Just do yourself a favour. Don't listen to anything that melts it. Don't. Don't watch that for. 

Go to the Chisholm community centre. No. 

OK. So no. OK, so the song that song call on me, yes. 

The song, yes, it's it takes me back to video here. It's in the 80s. And rage. Yes. Steve Winwood. Valerie. 

The 80s. 

I'm the same. 

I loved that song back then and. It's. On the AM radio stations, a lot still now, isn't it? 

Ohh, it still gets to run all the time. It's classic rock. 

Yeah. So that contained a sample of that. Now it's an interesting back story because there was a French duo called Together and together consisted of. Thomas Bangalter from daft. 

Hmm. 

Hunk and a producer by the name of DJ Falcon, they had sampled Valerie as a live tool in a DJ set in 2002, right, and then Falcon, the DJ, not the Daft Punk, said that Ministry of Sound sent him a letter asking if he could release the track through the Ministry of Sound labels. That's very much. 

Draw us. 

Yeah. 

That dance, kind of, you know, Ministry of Sound. 

Yes, yes, they used to release album after album after album. 

Yeah, those. 

Times. 

I think I think this did end up on a Ministry of Sound, but despite the popularity and demand for it together did not consider it worth an official release. So they said no. 

Of course. 

Then Ministry of Sound go on to release this version. 

Ohh with the Eric Prince version. 

Gonna mention or credit to you together. 

But they've done a remix as well, which would have sounded obviously very very similar. 

Yeah. So I think they had a sample as part of their DJ set and then he also sampled it. And when Eric sampled it, he actually played it to Steve. He likes to mate like, you know, is this. 

Yes. Steve Winwood, the original artist. 

Alright. 

I'm using your song. I'm remixing it. Yeah. 

I like it. It's good. It's going to be G string leotards. What's there to say no to? 

Yeah. Wait till you see. Wait till you see the video clip. 

Steve, well, Steve was very impressed. Yeah, so impressed that he re recorded the original sampled vocals for Eric. He re recorded it. Yes for him and he said I quite liked it. I think he did a good job. I mean it's not exactly my cup of tea but I liked technically what he did with it. So that's why I agreed to work with him on it. 

Is that a? 

Wow. And his voice hasn't aged at all. 

A little bit. 

Just a little bit, a little bit. 

Yes, yes. Well, you know, maybe if I I think. 

Maybe he was allowed on set for the filming. Maybe that was part of the deal. 

Right. 

Yes, indeed. Yes, indeed that is a good time. Let's go to album releases 21st of September. This is a. Big Classic release for the band Green Day, who faced a little bit of political backlash for this. They released their album American Idiot in the USA. 

Don't want to be an American idiot? Don't want any of the new media. Hey, get you with the sound of the stereo. That's not my America. 

Yeah. So this was a concept album that has since been turned into a musical and. 

Yeah, I didn't know that until today. 

Yeah. 

Yeah. And shout out to Bronwyn and John, who we know from trivia, who actually worked on a production of that at the Q Theatre in Queens. 

Ohh, there was a production at the. 

They did it at the queue, yes. Yes, they did. Yeah. Well, you need to pay attention to what's happening in your local community. You're too busy researching podcasts and picking chin heads. Let's face it. Yes. 

King Theatre in Caribbean. I didn't even know that either. I do. I really do. I would. But also it's also cambara's 50th anniversary at the moment, so there's a lot going on. So I mean, that's my roots, that's MyHeritage. And I'm sorry. That's where my loyalty. 

Oh, there's lots of sheep happening. There's lots. 

Pete. 

Yes. 

So you've you've only got enough room in that, that tiny little head of yours for. 

Yes, for for one post code at a time. I'll focus. I'll focus on the queue. 

Fair enough. Well, American. 

Next month. OK. Sorry. Go. Hmm. 

American Idiot Green Day significant shift in their career because it is a concept album. I mean, they're just been the kind of poppy, punky band, gross out, kind of a bit crass, bit fast. So they do this thing, and it's a story about a character called Jesus of Suburbia. It explores themes of disillusionment societal. 

Yeah, bit fun. Silly. Yeah, yeah. 

OK. Personal and political anger. 

You could be Jesus of suburbia, with that beard and the. 

You reckon with the big? 

Hair. Yeah, just make that. 

You shall not pass. 

Maybe wear some sandals and a cloak. You could be Jesus of suburbia. 

Feel like I'm. Gandalf of suburbia. So it was. It was a critical and commercial success. It really gave them the shot in the arm that. They needed with their careers. Hmm. 

Yeah, it did, actually. Yep. 

And it was very much inspired by what was happening around the world. Like September 11, the Iraq war. A big knee, not a knee jerk response. I think a measured response actually to the complacency and the apathy of American Society. You know, they were all they everyone wanted to be safe. Everyone wanted to be safe. You've got the election campaigns happening at the moment and then Green Day put this out and they're very critical of the government. The media George W. New Bush, the single. Of course we heard there, American Idiot Blvd. Of broken dreams. Wake me up when September ends 16,000,000 copies worldwide they sold. 

Ohh, that's a great song too. Isn't it? Yes, yes, yes. It's a bit of a risk as well, particularly after we saw what happened with the Dixie Chicks as well. So I mean, they're probably writing and and recording this album around that time. 

Hmm. 

That that backlash occurred. 

Yes. 

And all the stuff with Michael Moore. So to then go ahead and and and put it out. It's kind of make or break, isn't it? It could have gone the other way. 

It is. 

Quite easily. Well, yes. 

Hey. 

But they're a punk band, so you kind of it's a bit more expected. Like with country, you're expecting more patriotism with punk. You're expecting rebellion, and so they really played into that. And I think it it worked. 

Yeah. 

For them, they won the Best Rock album at the Grammys in 2005 for that. And we're nominated for a whole bunch of other awards. I mean, you gotta remember, like, the arts community, the entertainment community, a little bit more left leaning than perhaps a lot of other communities. It's often credited with reviving interest in punk rock, although I would I. I mean, I think it's pop punk. It's pretty mainstream. And it's considered, though, one of the most defining albums. Of the early 2000s and like we said, musical musical materials. 

Is it still on at the queue? Yeah, we'll come. 

No, it's it's a. Back ohh look, I hope it does. I'd like I'd like to go and see it. I'd like to go and see it, but I think you know that you're getting old. 

I'd like to be able to see that, yes. 

When the soundtrack to your rebellion ends up becoming musical theatre, and that's not a that's not a I'm just saying. 

Is a. 

Over to the box office and the idiot. 

Box. Yes, there's a lot. There's a lot in this segment this week, a lot going on. 

It's it's a big entertainment segment. It's there. It was a number and you know, born at the US box office, Sky captain and the world of tomorrow. 

Extravaganza. 

My God. 

Alright, Jenny. 

Urgency protocol 9/02/06 calling Sky captain. 

When the shadow of evil falls across mankind come in. Sky Captain Bull flying ace. 

This is sky captain. I'm on my way. 

One intrepid reporter. What's this all about? 

He's coming for me. Who's coming? 

And a courageous naval officer. 

What have you got me into this time, Joseph? 

Nothing you can't handle, Frankie. 

Are all that stand? Between the enemies of the future. And the world of tomorrow captains deck. 

You read me. Come in. 

Hang on, decks, I'm a little busy. 

Sorry, I was having. I was a little busy as well having some beer that Jude Law busy there in Sky captain in the world of tomorrow. This is very steampunk film. 

You're right. Did you watch this? 

You know, this is one of those. Rooms, when it came out, I was like, Oh yeah, I have to get around to seeing that. 

Well, you didn't. 

And then couple of weeks went by and I was like, I still haven't seen that. Yeah. And then a few months went by and I'm like, I still haven't seen that now 20 years have gone by. I still haven't seen it. 

You got distracted. You had to sip a beer and. 

Then you forgot. 

Sort of sense. 

It was quite some quite different, quite ambitious. 

It's very steam pumps, yes. 

As well, wasn't it it? 

Was kind of, yeah, based. It was a homage to the serials of the 1930s and for. 40s a bit of film noir, and wasn't the whole thing shot on green screen pretty much or blue screen. I think it was not the green one. 

Hmm. 

Yeah. And look I. And so now 20 years on, I think if I saw it, I'd. Be like. 

You'd be disappointed. 

Well, I think it it had a lot. Of good effects at that. At that time, I think it was praised for that. 

Yes, they had a lot of that noir kind of edge to it as well. Set in an alternate 1939 where the world is on the brink of war, the story follows. Polly Perkins, played by Gwyneth Paltrow, a tenacious reporter who likes to make candles that smell like her vagina. 

Yes, yes. 

Sorry, no, she's a reporter for the New York Chronicle actually investigating the disappearance of prominent scientists around the world. And then these giant robots attack New York City and Polly teams up with Joe, who's the sky captain who's played by Jude Law. Who's this heroic aviator and leader of a private? Force to uncover the truth behind the attacks. 

And. 

Angelina Jolie's in it, but there's the interesting part is the the Laurence Olivier? He's. 

Yes. 

He's in it. Posthumously he's they've done it two part. 

Yes, which is. And it's like, well, how can you put him in the? Film he's dead. 

How? How did they do? You know how they? Did it how did they do it? 

This actor has ceased to be. 

They use like old footage of him or something, didn't they? They had it now. 

Well, they used CGI. They used to be the CGI and some archival footage to put him in there. I don't know. I don't know. I mean. 

They mixed it with some that I'm I'm actually curious now. Was it a hologram? 

That. That well, it's that's quite innovative for its time because we've seen that happen in a lot. Films recently as well, like where they they used. Uh, well, they used the young Carrie Fisher in Rogue one. The Star Wars film for example, and she that. So they used the CGI version of her. They've used and Star Wars is a really good example of it. They've done that a couple of times. 

Ohh, where the actor has left or. Passed and they've had to. Ohh yeah. And I mean this could be where we're going with AI as well. 

They did it. They did it with alien Romulus. But I don't wanna kind of spoil too much of that, but they basically posthumously put a character in that as well. And I was like, Oh my God, I hope the family are getting paid some money, you know, for this. 

Now you've just ruined it. 

But it it did. Pave the way for a lot of other film style wise, not so much with that CGI. Thing, I mean, they were quite ahead of their time in doing that, but I still question the ethics behind it as. 

But that's what I think like into the future, but I think we're gonna see, we're gonna see. That's what I. 

Well, there's a bigger conversation now with AI, yes. 

Just said, we're gonna. See more and more of. That with AI replacing real live. 

Yes. 

Actors. 

Yes. Sorry, I wasn't paying attention to you cause I was trying to think of the other movies where I'd seen it. But you're right with the. AI with other. Actors. Yes, yes, yes, yes. And and it's like, well, where does The Who gets paid for that? And yes, you know you should. Does it go back to the family or the estate or how does that work? 

Anyway so. 

Because. You can't. Yeah, there's a big conversation about ethics that's way too intelligent for this podcast. Yeah, but. 

Yeah, that's the. What was it like? What? What did it pave the way for? You gonna say what other movies? 

Well it it because it was shot in front of blue screen. It's like films like Sin City. 

That was huge too, wasn't it? 

Seems really great. Yeah, 300 Zack Snyder 300, which is pretty much all shot on green screen and looks fantastic. 

That also did really well too, didn't it? 

And still 300, I mean that was 2006, that looks really good these days as well. 

Which is which is interesting that it paved the way for those two really big movies because this one they spent around 70 million on. 

Yeah. 

It for the. For the special effects and all the stuff that they did and and the guy that's dead and being in it, yes, it only grossed around 58,000,000. So it actually lost money. 

Yeah, well, the critics loved it, but the. Audiences hated it. 

I guess the critics would love it because it is something that's groundbreaking. They're trying something different, so they would appreciate that, whereas the audio. 

They're doing something new and. Yeah, yeah. 

This is like hmm. 

What is interesting these days is that shift back to practical effects. So green screen, lots of stuff. I mean, all the start those early start, not the early Star Wars movies, but the Star Wars prequels all shot on green screen and it just it. I mean if you look at it now it it it doesn't have the same physicality as what a practical effect. 

Hmm. 

There's no weight to think, so it's it's interesting how it was. Though groundbreaking at the time, but a lot of directors and film makers have shifted back to practical effects because they realise that actors need to physically move around something. I mean, you know, the Marvel movies probably are, are a big contradiction to what I've just said then, but I I would argue that you definitely get a a better degree of physics and. 

And react to something, yeah. 

Physicality. With practical effects, because it's something tangible that's in the room, it's not like it's not people looking at like, for example, when they did the Camino scene on attack of the clones and the these creatures there with big, long necks, they're quite tall. And when you look at the behind the scenes footage, it's like there's a dude. 

Hmm. 

Holding a broomstick with a basketball or a whatever on the end of it, and their actors have gotta look at that. All and make like they're talking to something that isn't actually there, so it it takes kind of the soul out of it. 

Hmm. Yeah. Well, we also had a a CGI based #1 here in Australia this week, 20 years ago. Garfield the movie. 

Yes. 

OK. 

It's not something he wanted. It's just something that's always been there. Every second it grips him from within. It's his destiny, his power, his curse. Who is he? 

He's Garfield. 

My life has been saved by the miracle of lasagna. 

Yeah. 

And that's a sign that the tank. 

Is full, easy, easy mouse. 

Crazy. 

Kim Garfield. 

Get him, John. 

And he's in love, baby. 

Cool. 

You're so cute. 

With himself. 

Thank you. Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen. 

Yeah, Garfield, the movie. They've just done another Garfield movie as well, which is absolutely terrible. This is a live action CGI thing, like you said, based on the comic. 

Yes. 

Created by Jim, I mean, who hasn't read? 

Garfield what did you like it when you? 

Were a kid Garfield. Yeah, I loved Garfield comics. And I love the cartoon. Yeah. 

In the. Books did you? So did you have just? Like the normal books. Or was was yours like more like. A big comic book. 

Ohh so you have like a paperback, but then you could get the bigger like. 

Tony had, like the little paper baths. Yes, I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it. So did my friends and we talked about it at lunchtime. 

They had a few of them few. Of you think get. You to ride. From. Yes, it's very funny. Yes, he had a lot of. He was very sassy cat. 

I liked that and I liked that he was. 

Yes. 

Vocal about Mondays he was on to something there. 

Yes, and the style the art style was very nice. It appealed to me. 

And I liked that he hated the. Dog, it's good. 

Artist Jim Davis was great, so this film was directed by Peter Hewitt and featured Bill Murray as the voice of Garfield. I think Bill Murray was also the voice of Garfield in the cartoon series on the TV. 

What's he he, he recalled. I think there was an interview with him because that's a big get right. Getting him for the voice of. 

Yes. Bill Murray. Ohh yeah. 

OK. 

Heath. So the director was someone Cohen. And he thought it was one of the Cohen brother. 

Hmm. 

Cohens. 

Hmm. 

And it was different, Cohen. He was confused. He initially thought it was. 

Well, it wasn't because Peter Hewitt directed. 

It well, no produce then maybe there was a Cohen. There was a Cohen. There was a Cohen in the mix and he got his Cohens confused and was like, sure. 

Alright, there's a colon in the crew somewhere, yes. 

And then he found out it was a different call. But he'd already said yes, so just did it anyway. 

Then you're like ohh just I'm just here to get paid now. Not making friends. Yeah, well, Garfield's life in the film is turned upside down when John brings home a dog named Odie. We all know who Odie is, and he's jealous, but eventually warms to Odie. But then Odie gets kidnapped by a TV host called Happy Chapman, who plans. 

Yes. 

Hmm. 

We do. 

To use Odie in his TV show and then Garfield has to go and rescue Odie, which leads to hijinks and adventures. 

Ah, lovely. 

A mixture of CGI and live action hijinks and adventures. I think Jennifer Love Hewitt's in there somewhere. Yeah. Hmm. And given that director is Peter Hewitt, I'm wondering if there's any connection or relation, but we didn't research that far cause it. 

Oh. That sounds right. Dad's uncle. None. 

208,000,000 that gross, and it only costs 50 million to make. So there's there's comparative to Sky Captain Sky captain and the world of tomorrow doing well, cash wise which which talks probably a hell of a lot better than critics and audience cause 14% from the critics. They hated it 37% from the audience. 

It's doing better than the other one, yes. This. 

Who hated it? A little less than. 

The critics now have you seen? In the drama with the Garfield phone, it's like a 30, a 30 year old drama. Yes, it's like a novelty landline phone. So children, this is where your phone plugged into the wall and had a cord. 

What about it? I remember the Garfield science from the 80s. Yes, so. Right. And I do remember the phones cause the phone the cord was like his tail, but the receiver was in Garfield's back like he was lying down. And when you answered the phone, his eyes open. That's right, yes. 

Yes. 

His eyes opened. He was sleepy Garfield. And then you'd pick up the phone. He. Ohh. He's awake. Yeah, but he also had a smirk. He had this, like this Smurf. Like. 

And the eyes had opened. Well, Garfield always had a smirk. 

Get you like? Yes, it was. It was. I hate you. It was. And I hate you. 

Well, that's easy. Cats. That's. Yeah, it's very cat like a cat like Smurf. 

Smirk. 

The most cats have that, yeah, yeah. 

Get away from me. I hate you. The Garfield phone was really popular. It was really hard to get. And I think these days they go for a lot on eBay. They're very expensive, like collectors. Items. Yes, yes. Collectors items. 

Do they? 

But in Britney, France for 30 years, so starting in the late 80s, this goes on for 30 years. 

Hmm. 

Garfield phones started washing up on the beach in Britney, France. 

Ohh. 

First up, it's like. Oh, that's weird and people would just. Pick them up and. 

Sacred blue. It is an orange cat in the form of a telephone on the beach. 

Go and put them in the trash, yeah. With it rubbish. Put it in the bin. 

Hmm. Hmm. 

Then turn up the next. Day there's some more garfields washed up on the beach. Put them in the bin. This went on for 30 years, 30 years washing up on the beach in Britney in France. And the funniest thing when you look at the pictures and and like things have worn away, sometimes the the bit your pickups not there. Sometimes there's a little bit. 

30 years of Garfield phones washing up on the shores of Brittany, France. Yes. Garfield's eyes have rolled back into his head. 

Sometimes there's a cord just by itself, but he's always got the smirk. The Smirk's always there. So he's on the beach and. 

Yes. 

He's like I'm back. Like try and get rid of me. And so then there's this. Environmental activist group and like this is really funny. Apart from the environmental effects, let's just like plastic show. It's a sturdy product. Clearly lasts forever, lasts forever, quality products. 

Well, yes, you've got all these horrible plastics rocking up on the beach. Well, it is stands the test of time. I wonder if anyone tried to plug. One in after that so. 

This goes on and on and on, and then the campaigners from an anti litter group are like well, let's just use this as part of our anti litter campaign just to show everybody that plastic just does not break down and it's here forever and it's ruining the planet. So they start this campaign and then this guy. 

Seize it. 

Sees the campaign on TV. He's a local guy from Brittany, France. Yeah, and. 

Hmm. 

Like hmm, I remember when I saw the first Garfield telephone washing up after a storm in the early 1980s. 

Right. 

And when he was young. Yeah. And he knew where it came from. He found the stash of Garfield phones. He knew but never told anyone until he saw this ad on TV and. 

Ditty. 

Right. So what was it? Well, where did they come from? 

Went. Maybe. I better tell them. A shipping container, of course, fell off a ship. Yeah, and got lodged in a cave. And apparently he's the only one that knew where the shipping container was in The Cave, and you could only get to it at low tide. So mysterious. 

Right. And so obviously the water would come in to the container grab, you know, gas fields to take them out to sea. And then they've washed back in onto the beach. 

The garfields select them out to the beach. Isn't that wonderful? So then he told the little people, he's like, I know this cave. We've got to go at low tide. Yes, we'll go and find the garfields. 

Yes. 

Yar, I'll show you where the garfields are. You don't need them. 

Yes, that's what happens. 

20 paces this way. And then, yeah. Wow. And then. 

Isn't that Fanta? Couldn't you? 

Just could you imagine like every day, just small garfields washing up on your beach and people are paying top dollar for these garfields. And there's a whole stash in this cave in Brittany, France free. 

Well, there you go. This is. Yeah, well, not anymore. 

For generations. Only one trilogy has been the heart of every movie collection now. It will be. A Gareth the Star Wars trilogy on DVD. For the first time ever, owned the greatest saga of all time on the ultimate format. Join Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia, Han Solo, Darth Vader, Obi Wan Kenobi. Huda, Chewbacca, C3PO and R2D2 in the final three episodes of George Lucas's epic saga. This four disc DVD set includes all three classic films. 

Freaking Star Wars? 

Episode 4 on New Hope. 

Use the force, Luke. 

Episode 5 The Empire Strikes Back. I am the father. And episode 6 return of the Jedi. 

I am a Jedi. It's like my father before me. 

This was particularly annoying, so the 21st of September Star Wars trilogy is released on DVD for the very first time ever. Yeah, and. 

So that's the first time it's on DVD and we've had DVDs for a while now, haven't we? 

The the most annoying thing about that is a few weeks after my birthday. So I was like damn it. Hey I bought. 

It probably was expensive, wasn't it? 

But do you know I have so many different copies of style? 

I know you've got it on VHS. 

I've got. I've got 2 versions of it on VHS. I've got 2 versions of it on DVD, one version on Blu-ray and one version on digital. 

Have you got an audio cassette of it? Please turn the page when. 

I I I do at at my mum's house, I've got, but it's not audio cassette. It's on a little 45. Vinyl record the record. 

Ohh the record and so what's the turn the page. Noise. 

When you hear R2D2 big like this. 

No way. You need to get that. That's amazing. 

It's really good. It's really. It was a dark time for the animals. 

Was this expensive the the DVD? 

Trilogy on DVD. I can't recall. I think it probably was. It's probably, you know, close to a. 

Reckon. Would have been. 100 bucks? Why did it take so long to? Come out on DVD. 

Well, I guess I mean it was good timing really because obviously like the the format had been around for a while at this stage, although no not really cause we talked about DVD just under a year ago, I think so the but I mean this is the perfect the perfect film. For for the this format so they they are based on the 1997 special edition versions which were the VHS's that they started to tinker with. So they were controversial because that's when the hard shot first thing kind of started to happen and he put a few additional changes and revisions in there and I hated that George Lucas had tinkered with it. And The funny thing about Star Wars is these days is a lot of people yearn for that original cinematic cut from the 70s. So they had this extensive. 

Hmm. 

Give high def restoration, which was done by Lowry Digital. Several adjustments made to make the films consistent with the prequel trilogy, so they created new High Definition masters of all the three films. Many reviews said that the DVD's were great because they were sharp and clear and the audio and all of that sounded great. Thanks to Larry's clean up work, but other reviewers were really critical and criticise some aspect. Particularly of the New Hope DVD, saying that the new colour pass with the saturated blue tones and crushed blacks were weren't so great and there were audio issues in the new 5.1 surround sound mix, including music reversed in the rear channels and the dialling out of important sections of the score from composer John. 

Oh. 

Williams and they these nerds were very upset about this. 

Let me tell you. 

Ohh fine tooth comb. 

The dirt removal algorithm adversely affected some of the subtle details in the film like star Fields and Laser Blast glows they they're they're a little bit too crisp. 

I don't. Mess with the laser blast blows. 

And then some fans. 

How was the sand mouth in high definition? 

The sand mount wasn't in the New Hope. OK, it. And it's called a sarlac. 

OK. Wasn't it any of the DVD? 

No, and just just have a little bit of respect because because Star Wars these days doesn't have a lot to respect. So just just go easy. It's my childhood we're talking about here. It's not actually. 

'S. No. OK, sorry. 

OK, fine, fine. I thought they might have digitally remastered the sand. Mounts in something spectacular. 

Fans were fans were upset by the lack of the theatrical versions. The original theatrical versions, so. 

Ohh. They wanted the OG's. 

Well, yes, but in response to that, I think in 2006 they did release the theatrical cuts as well, which? 

On DVD, right? 

I'm. I'm sure you've got those too. Got them as well. Which is just ridiculous. Like, shut up and take my money. I'm an idiot. George Lucas on CNN said that he originally planned to release him in 2007, but they brought the date forward very, very early 2 like three years earlier because. And that's why I think some of the backlash about it being rushed with the New Hope and stuff and the remastering. They weren't happy about it, but they were really scared about piracy affecting all the market sales. 

Yeah, of course. I have to ask you cause I found I found this out when I. 

Just just going. 

I was on a nerd forum actually on a nerd forum was good. You don't mind a nerd that nerd forums are much more respectful than general forums. 

Hmm. Yeah. 

Well, yes and no. 

If it's all, if they're. All common nerds like if they're all the nerds, united against the same cause, that's good. Whereas when you go onto an Apple Forum, for example, everyone's fighting. But when you go to a Star Wars forum, they're all friends. Love it? Beautiful. Yes, it feels good. 

Yeah. Well, in this case, it's against. 

Yeah. 

Yeah. They're they're all fighting for the common good to preserve the integrity of their childhood, even though most and most of them are probably men in there at this stage late 30s. You know, getting up towards the first, yeah, possibly starting to go grey in various places. Exactly. And they're they're trying to. They're trying to preserve their childhood. That's what they're doing. 

Nose hairs, chin hairs, ****** hairs, foot hairs. That's fine, that's fine. That's fine. Did you know there was a hidden blooper reel? Did you find the blooper reel on the bonus material in the DVD? 

Do you know what? I'm gonna tell you right now. No. And I I had no idea about this because I didn't have a personal computer. Time. So I have no idea about the blooper reel whatsoever. 

The House computer. Well, I think I don't think you needed a house computer. Couldn't I think you could just access it using your remote? So you've got no excuse, are you? Apparently go to the video games and still galleries, so that must have been the extras video games and still galleries you highlight. 

I I. 

Ohh, there was a cheat code was. There. 

Yes. 

The section called exclusive production photos. You get your remote and you type. 

Yes. 

11 So one one. Yeah. You hit enter. Yeah. You type 3 you hit enter, you type 8 you hit enter. 

Yeah. And then you get the blooper reel. 

You get a hidden blooper reel. You could also do it on Power media player, so if you were using your house computer. 

It's in that phenomenon. Right. Look, I had heard that you could use your house computer to get it. I didn't know that there. 

Yeah. 

I think that was just like a right click or something like that, but it wasn't. It wasn't a a I love that it a a TV remote has a cheat code. I didn't. It did not know you could do that. 

Was a cheat code. How that stuff. Oh, you know, I've got the DVD's out there. We. Should try that. 

Well, I think we should try it. See what what bloopers exists. 

Later on, Umm, if I could be bothered. You know I do you. 

Hard to get it. 

No. 

Out of the cabinet cause the cabinets behind a lot of things in the sheds. It's a lot of effort. Do we care? OK. 

Yes, that's right and it's look, it's probably not no. And and I will say you there was special features galore making of stuff, documentaries, directors, commentary, all of that sort of business. I don't know how many times have you purchased a DVD? 

So you're all special featured out. 

And go on to the special features and sat through the film and watched the film with the director talking about how they. 

Hmm, so there's lots of. It's talking. 

See cause there. I think directors commentaries, I liken them to almost like slide night like like going to watch somebody else's holiday video with them talking you through it. 

Uh. 

Yes. 

Yes. And then then the the, the, the rating the thing and then they're doing the thing anyway in the picture, it's like, yeah, I get that from the picture. You don't have to tell me as well at the. 

I don't know about the process, so I just wanna see the finished product. Yeah, like, don't tell me. Hey, don't. Don't take me to the abattoir and tell me how the steaks made. I just want to. 

Same time? Yeah, it is a. 

Bit it's show Boston. 

9 just. 

Right, exactly. 

Just give me the state. Yeah, I think I missed it when it was on a on a cassette. Remember on a cassette where you'd you'd play side and you'd get to the end of side A and you'd you'd instead of pressing stop and flipping it over, you'd accidentally keep it playing and all of a sudden the mystery track would pop up and scare the out of you. That was good. I liked that. 

Yes, that, yes. 

Bonus track. 

You are sounding so old. 

But that well, don't you agree, though? Don't you agree that that when you found those it was just like? 

Yeah. Ohh, it's like treasure. What it was like you've got the shipping container with the Garfield. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Your chin head just grew about two inches. That's how old you sound when you. Ohh. Let's go over to TV. There's a TV show that just had everybody captivated this time 20 years ago. We're talking about lost. 

With the garfields, it was, yes. 

Oh oh, didn't match. Yes. 

JJ Abrams loss starring Matthew Fox in Evangeline Lily. It debuted on ABC in the USA. 

It must have been at about. 

40,000 feet and half of it. 

Air pocket. 

He dropped. 

But we crashed 1000 miles off course. They're looking for us. 

In the wrong place. 

Stranded on an island? No one's. 

Coming for us. This place it's different. 

No. 

You'll feel it. 

It's been 6 days. We're all still waiting, waiting for someone to. 

Come. 

But what if they don't? 

We need to start figuring things out. 

You need to start figuring things out. Holy ****. Isn't that just the running theme for that show? You need to start figuring things out. How many? 

I never. I never figured the things out. I still don't understand. 

How many seasons did we commit to that show? 

I know. And we're like, we've gotta keep going. We've already invested. 

I'm not even sure if I could figure it out. This was back when TV shows had really long seasons. Still like 20 episodes and whatnot, yes. 

Seven years of our lives in this. I was on it. It was on a Thursday night 830. 

Something like that, maybe 9:30? 

Think it was. 

Yeah, yeah, but remember, I used to get them in advance because I worked at the TV station I. 

Yes. 

Had to write. The promos for it. 

Yeah, so you'd bring lost time and we'd watch lost. 

So I'd always have to. 

So you write the promos. 

Be like the twist. You would not believe. 

What is the smoke monster and how about that hatch fish? Michael. Walt others. Yeah. All of that stuff. 

Like every wish? Yes. What do the numbers mean? Ohh dear and Matthew Fox just being a sook, he just reprised his sook roll from party of five, didn't he? 

The whole time trying, yeah. Yes, and Evangeline Lilly's character. What was her name? I don't know. But she. 

Still a nice one. 

I don't know they. Call her the fake Kate Beckinsale. 

Ohh, her name was Kate. Yeah, and then she she was just like you should just be. 

I was. Well, there you go. That's why. 

With soya, Kate. Ohh the love triangle. 

The romance correct. 

Soya. Yeah. Wow, forgot about that. 

Anyway, that's that's lost. 

Yeah, do do. We wanna go with the television without pity recap of episode 1. 

Should we? OK. 

Is it worth it? 

Yeah. Here we go. Obviously, a plane crashed. A lot of people seem to be wondering a whether anyone would survive such a plane crash or B why there weren't more trauma victims. And see how come the jet engine was still running even with no power source whatsoever. I did a little digging and asked some aeronautics experts are determined that whatever who cares, this is still a pretty impressive sequence after Matthew. Box finishes counting to five in his head. He runs to help a guy who's all squished under some wreckage. He calls over two other guys with their help, pulls the wounded dude whose leg is medically. Looking totally locked up, Fox does something tourniquet and then sees a pregnant woman down towards the water calling for help. He runs the length of the plane to her, which gives us a second to see the extent of the damage. Plus it gives someone in effects the chance to create a very spiffy waves of heat visual. The woman's eight months pregnant. Should she really be flying at 8 months pregnant? I once again check with the experts. This time, a number of New York's finest OBGYN, she told me that a woman 8 months pregnant should definitely avoid flying on a plane that's going to crash. So that was some unsound parental care there, lady, while Fox and the pregnant woman renegotiate her contraction, some Yahoo gets sucked into the jet engine. Unlike on Firefly, where the result of such an event is explosive laughter. My part here, the result is an explosive explosion on the. Engines part I. 

Remember that bit that was great, but the guy got sucked into The Jets. 

We should. That's good. 

Maybe without pity, you're really great. I like the writing here. I think I'm gonna go and read a whole bunch more of this stuff and explosive laughter on my part. Yes, we said that debris flies everywhere. Sort of hitting one guy who screams a lot. A woman who looks quite a bit like Kate Beckinsale walks out of the jungle rubbing her wrist and looking days. Jack asked her to sew him up, and when she's dubious. 

They are. I know. 

Yes. 

Notes that it's cool. He's a doctor. I like thinking of this as an all purpose justification for pretty much anything you might ask. Someone to do. Could you please place this Butterball Turkey on your head? I'm a doctor. I'll do it myself. But my hands aren't clean. We meet Sayed and Charlie. Sayid is from the Middle East. Charlie is from the Shire. Flash forward until later in the episode. Charlie, Jack and fake Kate Beckinsale head up on an extremely pretty Hawaiian valley. Jack has a walking stick. Why does he feel the need to have a walking stick? There are only four plausible reasons to carry a walking stick, two of which enjoy 100% correlation with jerk attitude, one because you are employing The Walking stick. Ironically, if this is the case, you are. Jerk too, because you want to appear rugged and outdoorsy. If this is the case, you are a jerk 3 because of distinct quirkiness. This may or may not signify jerk attitude. In the case of my friend Catherine's husband Carl and his rose would walking stick with a compass in the head, for instance. It did not. Carl purchased The Walking stick because he was nervous about moving to Washington DC and thought the carrying around a walking stick. Might be an effective crime deterrent. Karl also has about him. Something of the era of a Victorian dandy. He eventually lost The Walking stick when he left. It leaned up against the hot dogs down on the campus of the George Washington University School of. Law. Four, because you need a walking stick to walk and you to polio or a wound. And I believe Jack's reason for carrying a walking stick, or rather the prop department's reason for outfitting Jack with one, is 40% of #1 and 60% of #4. He is wounded, but not on the leg. Let's say the members of the lost Prop Department think Jack is about 40% jerk. I agree, and so do all of us. We all agree. That next on lost Kate Beckinsale in her underpants said on the radio. Mercurio holding handcuffs, a scruffy guy firing a gun and toenails has just been through a trauma. OK. Let's go to movie news. A fantastic film debuts premieres in the USA this time 20 years ago. 

Do you ever think that modern life is not for you? Do you do the same dead end job every day? Is your love life dying on its feet? 

To a wonderful mom. 

Oh. 

Have you ever felt that you're turning into? 

Selena in the world. 

The zombie. Maybe you're not alone. 

Although no one official is prepared to comment, religious groups are calling it Judgement Day. 

It is vital that you stay in your home. Physical contact with the assailants. 

Oh. 

Shaun of the Dead, the British zombie comedy film or otherwise known as the ROM Zoom com romantic zombie comedy film directed by The Fabulous Edgar Wright. He's one of my favourite directors, starring Simon Pegg and Nick Frost. This was the first film in the Cornetto. 

Home, home, home. 

Trilogy from Edgar Ray. Where and do you know why they call it the kineto? Because in every single one of these three films. So there's Shaun of the dead, and then there's Hot Fuzz. And then there's The World's End. 

Why? Yeah, I was just about. 

To ask. Yeah. 

What size? 

Ah, yes, yes, yes. 

And they all have a cornetto at some stage it's the ice cream, yes. 

As in the ice cream with the the the chocolate line ship as a cone. 

Yeah, that's right. So they call it the Cornetto trilogy. They featured it. 

I love that. What flavour? 

We don't go into that sort of detail. That's that's. Yeah, I just, I think you just gotta go with vanilla cornetto rib, you know, it's not a drumstick. Don't be a heathen. OK, so so it's a parody. It's a homage to the classic zombie films. It blends horror and comedy in this, this wonderful way. Sean, is it down on his luck? 

Vanilla. 

Mint I liked the mint one. 

OK. Yeah, probably. 

No. 

Electronic salesman. He hates his job. He hates his life, but he all he doesn't hate his life. He loves his friends. He just hates his job. He's got a slacker best mate named Ed. And they find themselves one day in the middle of a zombie apocalypse in London, where they have to save Sean's girlfriend Liz and his mum and others by taking them to hide out in the local pub. The Winchester, which is great, cause the Winchester is obviously like also a lever action. Got guns. So there's some homage to some of the old. Zombie movies as well there. It was really, really well received by critics and stands up to this day. It's a fantastic movie. It's so good. It's very witty, it blends a lot of genres, as I said, first film in the Cornetto trilogy, followed by Hot Fuzz on The World's End and the critics absolutely loved it. 92% from critics, 93%. Audience it was great. 

And you actually got a bit of a backstage pass, so I. This was when we were on the radio doing breakfast radio. 

Yes. 

And ohh we've done some event at a club and I caught something and I was. 

Sick. 

We were all sick, yes. 

I think everyone got sick. It was very mysterious, very mysterious, but I I couldn't get out of bed. And I remember I was so jealous because it was the day where you got to go and watch the movie before. Anyone else at the movies? I think you watched it by yourself. 

Yes, I got a media screening. I was in the cinema by myself. 

Yourself. And then you got to interview. 

Them. Yeah, and I was. Proper bricking it because these were like I'd seen the movie, so I'm like. 

Ohh. 

And then and then I've gotta speak to the people that are in the movie. 

But you are also a massive fan. Of that genre as well. 

And I was like, geez, I hope they do a good job of it. You know, I don't know what to expect. I hope they don't take the piece out of something that I kind of love. And when I saw it and realised how lovingly it was created and how much of A tribute it paid to all of the genre, I was just thrilled. And so I got to do a radio interview with him and. 

Yeah. Yes. 

I've got the three minutes that went to air, but I was on the phone to them for a. Would probably 45 minutes after that. 

I remember you. You telling me afterwards because you were so pumped and you're like. 

She's chatting with him now. Yeah. So look, back when I was a baby, here is my chat with Simon Pegg and Edgar Wright. 

I was just chatting to them for ages. 

We watched a lot of Richard Curtis films and we thought that more people should die in them. No. Well, it's kind of that. But it was also we we wanted to, you know, the big kind of export of British cinema as the romantic comedy. And we thought on one hand, we wanted to pay tribute to George and Mario and with big horror fans and big fans of the zombie genre and on the other hand, we literally wanted to. 

MHM. 

A zombie film in our backyard. So the idea then came later of actually filtering through a zombie apocalypse through a romantic comedy. So it was like a, you know, a whole kind of coagulation of all sorts of ideas. Basically good word. 

Right. 

Well, now you guys obviously are saying that you are fans of Romero and and his films as well as a few of the others in the genre. I I noticed a few subtle nods to them. Like I think we're coming to get you. Barbara was one from night of the living dead, right. And everything else moved fairly quickly for me. So I missed a few of the others. But there's a few I'm like, hang on a. 

Yeah. 

Spotted. Correct. 

Second, I remember that from dawn of the dead or day of the dead. Or whichever 1. 

It was, yeah, we definitely we put in a few nods to to the Romero films is a way of wearing our on our sleeves, you know, like not not not on only the title obviously, but yeah, the we're coming to get you Barbara the reference the night of the living dead and some of the deaths kind of like sort of. 

Did. 

MHM. 

You know, they'll pay tribute to kind of day of the dead. And there's Bob's. 

Pizza, which is next door to the shop and Bob was a famous zombie and day of the. Ted and Mary the zombie in the garden works for a shop called Landis, which is after John Landis, Ken Foree, who was in dawn of the dead. His surname is the name of Sean's electronic shop where he works. There's lots of little things. In there like that we. 

The sensor. 

Are the two biggest geeks ever? 

You've got all these accolades from the likes of Tarantino, Sam Raimi, who of course did the evil dead movies as well as the new Spiderman ones, Robert Rodriguez. I mean, how has that been for you? 

Yeah. It's it's just mind blowing. It's kind of they've. Kind of trickled. 

Through over the. 

Last six months, I mean the Romero. We we showed it to him way back. In April, as soon. As we finished the film and it was a bit of a gamble because we thought, I think he'll dig it and I hope he gets a kick out of it and he did and he really loved it. And that was. That meant so much to us because, you know, on on paper for people who maybe don't know what we've done before, kind of sure of the dead. Sounds like a scary movie type film. It was really important to us. 

Hmm. 

Kind of. You know, sort of like the thumbs up from the big man himself. So let me say from Daddy, the zombie, the zombie godfather, the zombie code. 

I'm done. 

So I'm in Sean shows a great deal of skill with the cricket bats throughout the course. Of the movie. 

I know you're gonna say, unlike a lot. 

Of other Englishmen. 

Perhaps it was his performance that should be credited for inspiring the pump's victory. Over us the other week. 

Oh, did we? 

Wait, I it has to be something that did it. Either that or or. Alone. Yeah. Well, I'd like to think that it's very nice. It was good to finally make some headway with a bit of willows. You know what I mean? 

Yeah, yeah, for sure. And I think, Edgar, you're probably the first English man I've I've heard from that doesn't know that you actually. Won it doesn't really. 

I don't. Care. 

So I'm so not up on sports and stuff, but I like to. I think what is funny though is in the states because the film is going down. Well, is that cricket bats have now become like sort of a a sheep item for kind of geeks to get even, Tarantino said. Again, when they get one of those cricket paddles. 

Ohh well it would be the trademark thing like Jason with his machete and stuff like that, I guess. And of course, the last time, I don't think a cricket bat was used in a film was in Spinal Tap. 

Absolutely. That's right. You're right. In faith in faith. 

You were just the perfect person to do that interview. Even listening back, I could just. It takes me right back to 20 years ago and you just coming home just so pumped and so excited for getting to talk to them. And you really knew your stuff. And I I I distinctly remember because I was sick. And I remember you did that interview on your own. 

Yeah. 

And then we were listening back to it today. 

Yeah. 

Yeah. 

And there's extra laugh track in there, shall we say? And. And that particular person wasn't even there when you recorded it. 

Yeah, yeah. No, it this is, it was actually really disappointing to hear it back because that was that was one of the things that I had done by myself and I don't have a lot to to show from our radio career like and and you and I, This is why we do this. It's so great now because we've got we've been doing the podcast for probably more than we've been on. 

Yeah. 

Yeah. 

We were ever on radio together, which is great, and we worked with other people that kind of ruined it for us. And one of the things that really ruined that interview for. 

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. 

Me when I found it was having to hear this guy. So the guy wasn't in on the interview with me and it was pre recorded and then we played it back live to air and I can remember being in this year. You were off sick at the time and he he would. He turned his microphone on and he was doing like noddies. 

No, you are clearly remember it's just you, yeah. 

Hmm. 

During the pre recorded interview going. Yeah. OK. Uh-huh. And laughing. And I was just like, this isn't your interview, but like, you won't even hear. 

Laughing. 

And that's just like a little bit of a window into kind of what working in that industry can be like from time to time. But on the lighter side, like I said, I got to speak to them for much longer than what that little snippet goes for and we we were acting out scenes from Spinal Tap over the phone and just having a good old laugh. And they actually ran overtime and they were just two of the nicest guys. 

Yeah. 

Ohh my gosh. 

And one of the coolest interviews I've ever had, and it was just a shame. Again, commercial radio. It was like I was pushing my luck to get a 3 minute conversation with them on the air cause we needed to go to an ad break. But. That was. 

Let's dig through the mini discs. I reckon we've got the full one. 

Somewhere. Gotta be somewhere. Yeah, yeah. 

I'd love to try and find it if I can, and that would just make me feel a lot better about because the PTSD start to kick in a little bit. Now I'm just gonna go and rock in the corner. And of course, The funny thing about that is there are some people that we've come across in that industry that are still in that industry that are very much zombies these days. 

Alright, straight to the Hatch match dispatch. 

Yes. And Speaking of dead things, it's actually a dispatch. So let's do this. A celebrity that passed away this time 20 years ago that said this. 

Peden. You didn't take my final warning. You found out how easy it is to get locked up and how hard it is to escape. Rude. I find out that you're the big mouth behind the weasel. Get talked about my Mama now. I'm coming after you. And there'll be no escape. 

Now you're probably thinking, Gee, that sounds like a wrestling promo, doesn't it? And you would be correct now if you said that that wrestler was the big boss man. 

Hmm. You. 

No, no, I think. Have said. That's the big boss man at the start of. The show, the mayor of Queen. 

Hey. 

Yeah, he's a big wrestling fan. The mayor of queen. 

Yes, yeah, massive, massive wrestling fan he would. 

Yeah, yeah. 

Have got that for sure. 

Ray trailer, which trailer by name Ray trailer, the Big Boss man. He was in the WWE, a wrestler whose persona left a very big impact on the wrestling world. Born on the 2nd of May in 1963 in Georgia, he worked as a prison guard. Which then he used obviously, his experience as a prison guard to develop the character of the Big Boss man. So the big Boss man was a cop. Was a cop like a southern cop, southern cop who who was a bad guy to start with, bad guy, corrupt southern cop. So 1985, he starts wrestling. 

Ah. Right lived experience. 

In 1988, he joins the WWF, not the World Wildlife Fund. That was the Wrestling Federation, though, so as the big boss. Ben used this. Tough no nonsense correction officer from Cobb County in Georgia. He had the blue shirt, the black tie carried a night stick and had the shades and the handcuffs, and he used to handcuff people to the ropes and beat them with his knife stick. Yes, yes, he was a villain. He eventually became a fan favourite and he he turned. He turned face. He went from heel to face and then he feuded with guys like the the $1,000,000 man. 

I think I remember him now. 

That you say that, yes. 

Had to be Aussie in the Mountie, so it was like the Southern cop versus the Canadian mounty at one stage. Very controversially, he was managed by a character called Slick, who was the first black manager in the WWE and. 

Hmm. 

This is controversial because of the stereotypes, so the boss man is like the white Southern cop and slick is the black pimp type character. So he had he and he he wore the the big lairy suits and the hat and he was jive talking and his jive persona and then boss man being the Southern Law Enforcement officer. Got a lot of mixed reactions from people and this is all out of the brain of Vince McMahon, who we know is a fantastic businessman, but also as time has sort of proven is a complete sociopath as well. So Slick was and and this was the other thing with slick too. So Slick managed another guy called Akeem. Who wore all this traditional African dress? This big guy and they called him archeum and he's like this African guy called the African Dream, which was like a, I guess, a counter to Dusty Rhodes American dream. But our team was as white as a ghost. He was a white guy. So that just made it even more controversial anyway. You go to the 90s and the big boss man's left the WWF, he goes to WCW, wrestles under a whole bunch of different personas like the boss and Big Bubba Rogers because he can't use the big Boss Man cause copyrighted. 

Ohh you're not allowed. 

To if you go to a different place. 

Yeah. And it just never it. Just the magic wasn't there. And then in 1980, he goes back to the WWE and he's a more darker version of the Boss Man he plays. Like Vince McMahon's. Personal security guy and he's in that faction. The corporation. Remember that in the attitude era? Yeah, he's feuds with like Al Snow and Big Show and Stone cold. 

Yeah, that I think that's. Where I remember him from, yeah. 

But he started to go into a bit of a decline in the 2000s. Obviously, physically, not very well. He left WWE only in 2003, and then he passed away, this time 20 years ago in 2004 from a heart attack as a lot of wrestlers do. He was only 41 years old. Big shock to fans, big shock to the wrestling. 

The next year? Ohh jeez. 

Wow. 

The community it was inducted into the Hall of Fame, I think posthumously. In about 2016, I think, and they they talk about his impact on the industry and all of that stuff to this day. But I mean it's just another one of those stories where wrestlers die early and the big boss man was a a quite a large character. He was sort of in between the attitude era, I think too. 

Yeah. Toilet edge. 

With wrestling and I know, wrestling is a massive turn off for chicks. So sorry. 

I like the wrestling, I like WCW. With gorgeous George. And the big furry boots? That was my favourite. 

Don't, don't they? Call that an ick these days that girls say you know when we're meeting a guy like one of the biggest icks is that they're. 

Is it a nick? 

Into wrestling. Yeah, I I heard something the other day, music producer Rick Rubin. He's a massive fan of the wrestling. He loves it, loves it. And he was saying something along the lines of it, the only true sport. 

Yes. 

Really. 

Well, on a sport because it reflects so much of the the real world. 

OK. Why how well? Because I mean, OK, so we all know that it's it's predetermined, predetermined entertainment. It's it's pantomime with stunts. 

Hmm. 

So but I and I I kind of I think I get what he's saying because in wrestling there are these stories. And you don't know what's true and what's not. With wrestling like they and they, they, especially in this day and age where everything is kind of pushed out into the open. Hmm. They do a very good job of maintaining what they call K fab. 

Mm-hmm. 

Yes. 

Which is basically what is true in the wrestling world, isn't necessarily true in the real world, but you are not allowed to break that truth. 

Will they keep that? Going even outside of the ring, right? Yeah. 

Exactly. So if you are feuding with another wrestler, they might be your best mate. You might be travelling together and stuff, but in public you can't be seen together. You need to be continuing to be. It's like at the moment when you look at like Rio Ripley for example, who's been in a. 

Yeah, in public. 

Hmm. 

Ship with Dominic Mysterio. Although she's not at the moment and they've they've been an item throughout the last year or so in, in the wrestling, but she's married to an Australian wrestler like and and so Buddy Murphy. That's right. And so it's interesting in that context because if you follow them on Instagram and stuff these days, you can see that they have a life outside of wrestling and it's not the character. So they're letting you in and. 

Hmm. 

Ah. 

And you understand that kayfabe is kayfabe, but nobody cares. Everyone's just like, Yep, I can deal with that. I can deal with that. I know. That's not that's just RIA, for example as her. Real person doing her real life, but this is her as the entertainer and the two worlds. But the two worlds don't usually meet, and if they do, the people who are fans of this, but just ignore that part because they're more involved in, yeah. 

They're invested in the story, but that's the thing too. Like you think about it. And everyone's like, oh, it's so fake. But the the physical fitness that's required to perform number one. But #2, you've got to act. 

It's out of control. 

On top of. That so you've got to hold these storylines and act and perform. Form but also be doing this physical activity like where else do you have to do that? 

Yes. 

Like, that's a lot. That's a lot of effort. 

Right. You know, and I and I'd, I'd, I'd put a lot of those guys up against a lot of those people in Summer Bay as better actors any day of the week, you know, I mean, sorry Chris Hemsworth, but you. 

Absolutely. 

Sorry, Kim, you're pretty. 

Just but you you. You just do not have the depth of Hollywood. Hulk Hogan, which I think. Actually that's funny because I think they were. There was all this talk about Hemsworth playing Hulk Hogan in a biopic, but I don't think it. I don't think it's ever gonna happen. I don't think it's ever gonna see the light of day. No, you know what is gonna happen, though? The end of. 

Really. 

No, no. Not appropriate. 

This podcast we are done for this week. Ohh thank goodness. 

And God. 

Me too, because I'm old. 

And I need to have another girl. This hair. I think it's grown a little bit since we started. I reckon I can. 

Yes. Yeah. See, a couple of fleas swinging from it like Tarzan, can you not? Can you not just? There are certain things that ladies, you know, like I. 

Get it now and then I can get it. 

About two millimetre. So annoying. 

Don't. Is it? Yeah. Yeah, I don't perform on my blog stuff in front of you, so just. 

What you kind of do well. 

Know. No. We don't. That's not true. We look mum and Dad aren't fighting. We're just talking. There anything happening next? 

Week, OK, next week we've got an asteroid. 

Hmm. 

Ohh really we've got. 

As opposed to when you're older and you just have a hemorrhoid. Actually, I don't know why they don't just call them asteroids. I. Guess asteroid was already taken, yes. 

There is a Space Flight. There's a missile that's retired. I don't know if that's newsworthy. I'll have a better read. A giant weight. I think we need to talk about that. A live giant squid in Tokyo. I think. There we go. That's the hook. That's the hook the giant squid. Come, come and join us next week for the giant squid. 

OK. Absolutely. Otherwise known as a Kraken. Yes, and stay stick around for well, maybe not, but the squid will be worth the price of admission alone. Thank you very much for joining us. As always, we love you very much. We really appreciate the support. We really appreciate your downloads. And your uploads? No, we don't. We really appreciate your downloads and you're sticking with us for for the derail. I mean this is an episode 160, Can you believe? 

Yes, thank you. 

It. Wow. Stay tuned next week for episode 161. Find us on the socials Facebook, Instagram. I've started to do a few things on TikTok. 

You've done one post on TikTok so now you think you can throw that back into the mix. 

Yes. Now, if as I go down a keyhole, what happens is is I do a post and then I see a video of somebody with really *** **** dancing and. Then I'm like scroll scroll scroll. Scroll scroll and then I'm like what happened to the last two hours? OK, I'm not going back near TikTok again. And that's just how it works anyway, thank you. Very much. We'll see. 

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