Politics, Pippen, & Prison Potlucks

Do you remember the infamous Mark Latham vs. John Howard "Handshake of Doom" 🤝? What was supposed to be a friendly greeting turned into a political WWE moment, and spoiler alert: Latham didn’t walk away with the belt (or the votes). Who knew a handshake could shake the entire nation?

We’re pouring one out for NBA legend Scottie Pippen 🏀, who officially retired, leaving behind six rings, countless highlights, and that one time he refused to play in a game-deciding moment. We’re talking legacy and drama—because that’s how Pippen rolls.

In the world of domestic legends, Martha Stewart 🍰 is fresh out of "Camp Cupcake" (aka minimum-security prison), where she not only did her time but also baked her way into prison lore. We chat about her caramel flan, the prison potluck, and how even behind bars, Martha was queen. 👑

And on the music front, we’ve got Usher’s Confessions 🔥, which basically had us all in our feelings, Guy Sebastian’s Aussie anthem "Out with My Baby" 🇦🇺, and Eric Prydz's club classic "Call on Me" 💃.

The screen was just as wild, with Shark Tale 🐟 swimming into theaters and Ghost Hunters 👻 giving us all the spooky vibes—because what’s better than haunted prisons and creepy EVPs?

We had to mention the chaotic debut of Desperate Housewives 🏡, where Susan’s clumsy charm, Gabrielle’s gardener fling, and Lynette’s kid chaos gave us all the drama we didn’t know we needed.

Hang with us on socials to chat more noughties nostalgia - Facebook (@tminus20) or Instagram (tminus20podcast). You can also contact us there if you want to be a part of the show.

Chapters

• 0:00 intro
• 0:26 show opener
• 8:00 news
• 30:19 sport
• 39:21 music
• 55:41 movies and tv
• 1:20:10 books we didn't read
• 1:25:26 hatches, matches and dispatches
• 1:36:47 show closer

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The year is 2004. Your polyphonic ringtone habit is sending you broke. George W Bush has sworn in for a second term, and in spite of everything going on, the most controversial thing is a wardrobe malfunction at the Super Bowl T -, 20 rewind 20 years with Joe and Mel. 

Wait. 

03 October 2004. 

Minus. 

20 the rest is history. 

You know what? I'm very forgetful. 

20 hello there, stop trying to make fetch happen. 

When we're waiting. 

For this is harder than I thought it would be. 

My fellow Americans. 

Let's roll. 

Let me tell you when you get past your mid 40s, everything is harder than you thought it would be. It's t -, 20, the podcast where we rewind, which is actually quite easy. Rewinding is easier to this week, 20 years ago in history. In pop culture, movies, media, all of that sort of stuff with your host Joe and Mel. Hello Mel. 

Hello 3 to 9 October 2004 is where we're rewinding 2 this week. 

I've seen Michael Jordan play before I came to play with the Bulls. You guys seen him play? He's a horrible player. 

Wow, huh? Somebody dishing the dirt on one of the greatest of all times. He is the goat. But not according to that guy. A big retirement in sporting history this time 20 years ago. 

Hush. 

Isn't he like the goats? Wow. 

Yes, I saw that famous handshake coming because it had happened several weeks earlier, but it wasn't captured on camera. 

Ohh, the handshake that shook the nation. 

I can't remember. I can't remember. I can't believe that handshake. Is 20 years old. 

I can't remember, but then I can because I just heard that now I do remember and it was. It was a big handshake. Who would have thought that a handshake could hold so much weight? 

Do remember it very very clearly. 

I asked my fellow inmates a couple months later. I said, how did I behave that first day? Because everybody's watching me. They said I was walking around in the days I did. I smiled at everybody, said hi to everybody, even probably people I shouldn't have said. 

Right. 

Yeah. 

Hello to yeah. 

Yes, Martha Stewart has her first day in prison this week, 20 years ago, which we'll touch on a little bit later in the show. Also, now I have a question for you, Mel. This is something that was was brought to light to me earlier in the week and I was quite stunned about this. Do you have an inner monologue? 

OK. 

Like the inside voice inside your head, just narrating your life as you go about your day and telling you when you're an idiot. 

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you've got one. Well, I've got one, but apparently half of the population doesn't have one. Which I. 

Yes, doesn't everybody. 

Yes. 

Find completely perplexing. 

Well, what's going on in their head the whole time? What? That doesn't even make sense. 

I don't even know if they're the same species. If they don't have it in. A monologue. Now, well, there's they're for starters. There are signs where you can tell if you have an inner monologue, and I think you've already attested to the fact that you do have one, but it's things like if you experience having songs stuck in your head. 

Always. 

Got them in a monologue. You replay your favourite podcast or movie in your mind. 

Yes. 

Like a scene from it. Or you have a conversation with yourself. Like, come on, you. 

Got this? Yeah, I remember early 2000s. I got addicted to a show called Lucy Sullivan is getting married. It was an English show, was in around 2001. It was not still working nights. And I come home and I'd make my dinner and I'd watch. Lucy Sullivan is getting married and the voice inside my head had an English accent. 

Yeah. 

For a few months, as a result, she was like, oh, you're such an idiot. What did you say that for everybody? 

Oh, really? That's interesting. See. 

Hates you. You. 

Yes. 

Idiot. Well, that's interesting in and of itself. Do you know do when you read, when you read does you're in a monologue, say the words when you. 

Yeah. 

Prize 2, but it's it's hard when you've got really difficult names in a book. I remember when I was reading girls the Dragon Tattoo and my inner monologues. 

Yeah. 

Like, how do we say that? 

Ohh it's asking you how to pronounce it in your local. I don't know. 

That's hang on. You have one. 

Right. Yeah, I've got one. I've definitely got one. 

I don't think yours is an inner monologue. Yours is an outer monologue. Cause whatever comes into your mind, you say out loud. It just comes straight out your mouth. So there's nothing. I don't think it's inside. It's outside. It's outside voice. Yes. 

I do. I do often speak. It it's happening in. It's happening in real times, more of an alpha monologue. It does do that. I think the older you get, the more your inner monologue actually comes out. Especially like I I like spending a lot of time alone just hanging out with my inner monologue. We're really good mates. We're really good mates. My inner monologues quite deprecating, though, like, it gives me a hard time. 

Oh, that, that's that loud. 

Yeah. 

Hmm. 

Like it calls me names in the gym. Yes. Call me fatso in the gym all the time. Alright, fatso, let's do the next thing. Yeah, all the time. It's it's not. 

Does it swear words? 

Rude. Rude. You know, the new inner monologue? 

They, but apparently like. It's really good if you wanna rehearse lines for a play or you're going into a job interview. I just can't imagine not having one. And it's amazing that some people don't experience up to 50% of the population may not actually have one. 

Hmm. 

Hmm. 

Maybe that's why I'm always tired, always dealing with another voice. 

Well, it's you. 

It's your best supporter, but can also be your biggest, hence the self deprecating names or sometimes the pep talk that you give yourself. I just find it fascinating that some people don't hear some. The thing is, is if you were a real. 

Pretty. 

Reader and and you try and read things quickly. You're in a monologue, can slow you down, which is, which is interesting, but like things like enhanced problem solving. The inner monologue can help you with self reflection, critical thinking, and it can help you be a lot more resilient. But it can also affect your stress levels. But it can also if it's a. 

That makes sense, yes. 

If it's a negative inner monologue like mine can be from time to time, it can really affect your confidence in your self esteem. 

Hmm. 

And I just find it fascinating that that some people do have one and some people don't have one, so signs that you've got one. You talk to yourself. That's the outer monologue in my case as well. I'll just happily have a conversation with myself. And, you know, sometimes I'll even interrupt myself and then have an argument with myself. 

Sometimes you bring me into the conversation as well. 

Hmm, songs get stuck in your head. You play a a movie or a podcast in your mind. You rehearse in front of an imaginary audience and you read to yourself. 

Yes. 

What does it mean if you do have one? Does it? 

Oh, hang on. 

Mean you're a psycho or something. 

Well it it, I find it. I I I do find like cause I always thought ohh that's that's a little bit crazy having in the monologue. But you know, there's a lot of adults these days now. We're getting diagnosed with things like ADHD a lot later in life, and their monologues are apparently quite noisy and chaotic in that they jump from one thought to another very quickly. And I'm concerned because I do that all the time. Like, I'll be having a chat to to myself in a monologue and then. 

Hmm. 

I'll be like, oh look. There's a squirrel. I think in this case ohh look, it's the next segment. I just find it interesting. I wonder if other people do as well. I'd love to hear from somebody who doesn't. 

Maybe we could take, maybe we take a vote. Yeah, I'd like to know what happens inside the mind of someone who doesn't have one. What's? What's that sound like? What goes on? 

I reckon that would be super relaxing. How do you go to sleep? 

Yeah, yeah. Do you have, like, and it jumps from tangent to tangent when you're trying to go to sleep and you just go on this amazing journey of everything you've ever said over the last 20 years instead of. 

You know. Yeah. Yes. 

Going to sleep, hmm. 

Yes, it is, especially when it's a critical inner monologue and it's like, go to sleep, you idiot. And then it's like, but you're still talking to me. It's incredibly confusing. Anyway, it doesn't help when you're a podcaster and you listen back to yourself. Either the hatches matches and dispatches clue. The segment that we play at the end of the show, we've got a celebrity, a match this week, somebody who was married this time 20 years ago, who said this. 

Yes. 

My real apology to her will not come in the form of words. It will come from my behaviour overtime. 

That's standard. I find that when blokes need to apologise. 

Well, those the. 

Vowels, too. Yeah. Yeah. Look, I'm sorry, but that. That'll come in actions over time. 

Off to a great start this marriage. Wow. Wow. On the 8th of October 2004, we have Martha Stewart beginning her five months of incarceration at federal prison Camp, Alderson in West Virginia, for obstruction of justice and making false statements to investigators. As a quick recap, the legal troubles they stemmed from her sale. Of nearly 4000 shares of Imclone systems stock back in 2001, and they thought she sold her shares off the back of a tip from her broker about the FDA not approving something to do with Imclone. The stocks dropped in value. What a surprise, she maintained her. 

Yes. 

Innocent. But March 2004, she was convicted on 4 counts. Sent to gaol. 

That now it was time. Now it was time for Martha to do hard time. Although although I don't know how hard it was, the facility where she served a sentence is often referred to as Camp Cupcake because because, well, exactly. It's kind of fitting, isn't it? It's a good fit for Martha. 

Hmm. 

Oh, that's perfect. She's. 

Good at baking. 

Hmm. 

Makes sense? 

Yeah. 

It's got relatively low security, it's reputation is for housing, white collar criminals, people that are involved in things like insurance fraud, like not killers. There's no killers or anything like. Yes, that's right. But no murderers or or anything like that. So although she says that her experience was far from luxurious. 

Selling stocks up after a tip from their brother. No, no. 

I found out that I could really exist with. Pretty much nothing. Five months without good food is a problem for for almost anybody, but you can live for five months without food. Yeah, or drink or or, you know. Any luxuries whatsoever. 

I heard you say that the souffles were just. 

Said. 

Horrible. Yeah, I don't. I don't remember any souffles at all. 

And then it late at night. Is it true you used to sneak into the kitchen and drink Sterno, or did I? 

I don't think there was no Sterno available. 

That was an interesting conversation with David Letterman that she had and he publicly apologised to her when she came on that particular episode. That was just after she gotten out of prison, obviously, and because, I mean, she was lampooned from one end of the talk show circuit. 

Hmm. 

To. The other, and, you know, Letterman, Leno, all in competition with each other, all making jokes, wise cracks about Martha Stewart going to gaol. 

Yeah, yeah, there was. 

A lot of that wasn't there. 

But he did. He publicly apologised to her and then on went the conversation. But I look, I wouldn't recommend what she's saying there. Living without food for five months, I'm sure she ate some stuff. 

I think she meant. Nice food. I think it's what she was trying to say. 

Yes. Yes. 

But I would have thought. They'd have good souffle at Camp Cupcake to be honest. 

You would. Well, you would have. 

That's a bit bit disappointing. I thought the desserts would have been, you know, what they were known for. 

Or. At the very least, like, you know, nice Angel cake. Remember Angel cakes with cupcakes. And they cut the top off and they split it in half and put little jam and some whipped cream on it and some dust it with some icing sugar. I think that'd be right. 

Yeah. 

Mr. And. Delicious. 

Up, Martha. 

'S alley, actually. So the prison. All female minimum security. It is known for its strict schedule. There's a focus on rehab. Though I don't know how you rehabilitate white collar crime, I'm not. 

Yeah. 

Sure. What would you be? Doing next. 

I swear I'll never do it again. I like whoa. I don't know. It's just about paying your debt to society. I would suggest. 

Don't know. 

They do have to wear a uniform. They do have to engage in manual labour and they do have limited freedom. At her time there, she followed a structured routine that included waking up early. She had a sign chores such as cleaning or kitchen. Judy Wise move, putting Martha on kitchen Judy. 

Yeah. 

And participating in the prison programmes, yes. It was reported that. She worked in various jobs, including the kitchen cleaning. She also taught yoga and other fitness programmes to her fellow inmates. Just very busy. 

That's exciting. Imagine that. I'm off to yoga today. Martha Stewarts teaching us that. 

With Martha. Martha's downward dogs. 

Yeah, that'd be awesome. Salute to the sun with Martha Stewart. She did have quite a few jobs and they had, like you said before, they had uniforms, but they were subject to a few budget cuts and also let me tell you, the pay in prison. Not great. 

Great. 

I had a job for about 12 cents an. Power and I I remember telling the captain, who was a very nice man, but I remember telling him. I asked him for a pair of work boots because one of my jobs was working inside and outside of the captain's office, and I asked him for a pair of work boots because all I had was my sneakers that I came in with. They let me keep them for some reason, and because they were. On a budget cut because of the war. And so they didn't have shoes for me. And I asked them for a pair of work boots and he said, oh, they didn't have any. I'd have to buy some. So I figured out it was 500 hours of work. So or 600 hours of work at the $0.12 an hour. And what they were charging for the boots that so I called. Them my my 600 hour boots. 

Nah, 600 hours of work for a pair of boots that you need. 

Strength. 

To work more in. Yeah, well, you know it. It's still hardly hard time even at $0.12 an hour. 

Hmm. 

Yes, she also baked. So she was on kitchen duty, but I think she also kind of made a few friends along the way. She's quite popular in the cupcake camp. 

Did. Well, if you picture this, so obviously there's the refectory or the kitchen area where they, they have their meals and things like that in their rooms. I think they had a microwave, but obviously you can't take stuff and then just. Cook in your room like, well, you can, but there are certain things that are not allowed. And it turns out she was pinching stuff from the kitchen to make things. There was this inmate, Meg Phipps, who was talking about how how Martha made her some dessert. 

Hmm. 

I received a note from. Martha, she suggested that we meet. She also sent that note with the baked Apple. That meant she had already tackled the idea of cooking in your dorm or cottage by using the microwave. And what resources that you could find because the baked. Apple had caramel on it and probably some cinnamon. I suspect some of this may have come from the cafeteria, which we're not supposed to do. 

And everybody smokes food on the kitchen. What else you gonna make in the microwave? You know, unless it's smuggling food. I went to the kitchen, smuggled my food out and put it right underneath your here and down in my sock, where it's appreciated the vegetables. When she left, she was she lost some weight and she looked really good, and that's because she was on my diet. 

So one of the other inmates was baking for her with smuggled food, and they obviously were stealing contraband cinnamon caramel from the kitchen, which I just think is really like. 

Yeah. Yes. 

Very crafty. 

In the spirit of being in prison, you know like, like, did she try and dig a tunnel with a spoon? You know, all of these other things? Maybe she dug a tunnel from her dorm. I'm speculating here, of course, to the cafeteria. 

Yes. 

I love that their rooms were dorms or what was the other one? 

Cottage cottages, cottages. 

Cabins. A cottage cottage. That's a bit different to a cell. 

Yeah, it is a very different way of looking at it in Camp Cupcake. We don't say we don't use the C word. 

Isn't. With a microwave. 

Yeah. 

She in the interview with Letterman, actually referred to it as Yale, as opposed to gaol. Yeah, she was talking about her time in Yale. She said she always wanted to go to Yale, so she was referring to. 

Really. 

James Yale, yes. 

Right, right. Like she did the Dutch pronunciation. 

Yes. 

Of. It she I mean, there was so much publicity around this. Like we said it was, it was spoken about across all of the talk shows. It was front page news and even in Australia it hit us and she wasn't actually all that famous in. They except that obviously, you know, there was that overflow of of what was going on in the states. She was like, you know, a better homes and gardens like, bigger than a Tonya Todman over here, for example. Yes. Yes. But they they did a pretty good job of media managing this because they. 

Bit bigger, not much. 

Emphasised her resilience and her determination while she was in gaol to continue her business after she was serving as English. 

Well, that was the idea she'd go. Back to the business and it kind of was. Good publicity in a way. And then obviously, once she got out, she did the talk show circuits and she did all the interviews. So she was keeping her name out there and in the media. And I I think in the end it it did well for her business. I'm, I'm sure you wouldn't want to give up five months of your life for Yale. Yeah. 

Ohh yeah absolutely. 

But. 

I think given the circumstances, probably the best possible outcome. 

I I I do think it's interesting because she she did hold a lot of power, like as far as being a media magnate, she held a. 

Yes. 

Lot of power, a lot of people made jokes at her expense about that and then she fronted up on a lot of those shows after she got out. 

She handed it. Yeah. She had so much grace in the way that she handled it. She just said, yeah, that's OK, I get. It I I completely understand there were. 

Yeah. And they all felt really bad about it afterwards. She made them feel bad. 

And then they were pushing her for the scoop. Was the other thing, and she just kept saying I'm not comfortable talking about that because I think. I think they were launching an appeal or something around the time that she got out and she said I Nope, sorry, can't talk about that. And she had some pretty good boundaries in. Place, but was just, yeah. So, so graceful in the. Way that she she handled it. 

She's a smart lady, you know. She's she left a pretty good impact on her fellow inmates as well. I think they all loved her. 

Very smart. Ohh they. 

They all got on very well with her. She wasn't released until March 2005 after completing the five months and the day that she left. They had this big pot luck dinner for her and she made it a a dessert, a caramel. 

Did I love that? 

Oh. 

Plan and thanked everyone for making her time there. Go as well. Well, I don't know. It could have been contraband caramel that she lifted from the cafeteria, you know? And then she had to serve an additional 5 months. Obviously under house arrest. So I I mean, you know, pretty cushy, pretty cushy. You know, it's not like, you know, they were she was thrown upon the mercy of the system. Like somebody who maybe. 

Was it legit caramel or stolen caramel? Hmm. 

You'd not have as much money or profile as her, and that's I think that's the other thing about the states as well, it's that. You know, it's it. Money talks, money talks, even in those legal circles. And Martha Stewart's money spoke very, very well. I mean, remember, this is all only over 40 grand, which is chicken feet to her. Nothing like she I I mean she'd be like, hang on. I'll pay you back. I'll write the cheque. No. 

Yeah. It's. Yeah, I know, I know. 

And then somebody with an axe to grind has decided to make an example of her because she's a celebrity. 

Hmm. 

And then, you know, I think a lot of The Tonight Show should probably been given the kickbacks in contributing to her her fund because she gave them material for a good 10. Months should have paid. 

For her work. Boots. Yeah. For her, that would have been a nice thing. 

There's a 600 hour boots exactly. You could give her. Like if she got $0.12 for every bad joke that Letterman and Leno told about her, she'd probably be able to get about 20 pairs of work boots by the. 

To do yes. 

If. 

End of the sentence. Yeah, designer work. 

Boots if you. Are interested in the Life and Times and and particularly the lead up. And and her time in gaol. Male. There was a miniseries released earlier this year, CNN. I think it was released in February, called the many lives of Martha Stewart, and they do interview a lot of the other inmates that she served with and also the general Life and Times of her. Her rise to, to stardom, to craft stardom and. Her media business. 

It doesn't strike me as you know, super fascinating, like an art and craft icon. Now, how good would it have been if she tried to stage an escape? 

It would have been amazing. 

Like what would she have done? How would she have many? 

Crocheted a ladder or something like that. 

Yeah, exactly. Climbed over the fences. Yeah, let's go to the 9th of October. Big news in Australia. Far bigger than Martha Stewart because we had the vote. It was democracy sausage. Say, did you? 

Democracy sausage day. Had a good. Sausage that day. Actually, I remember it, yes. This was I think we voted together cause we were together so we would have voted together, trying to remember the polling place we would have voted at. 

Hi there. Yeah, yeah. 

Absolutely. 

I think it was Lynam High school. If memory serves me correct. Yes. Across the road from Tillies. Hmm. Was it Lyneham high or primary? One of those schools in Lyneham? It was anyway. And they did have good. They gave good sausage at that school. It was particularly great. I never thought I'd use that in a sentence. But there you have it. So we went to the polls to vote. 

Yeah. 

Yes, good sausage. 

Hmm. 

Sure did. 

The new Prime Minister, John Howard, versus. 

Hmm. 

Mark Latham, John Howard obviously being the Liberal candidate and the current Prime Minister, the incumbent Prime Minister, going for a fourth term, went up against Mark Latham, the leader of the Australian Labor Party at the time. I I think the Labor Party, probably in hindsight have a few regrets about putting Latham up he. 

He's going for his fourth term, been in for a while, hasn't he? 

Hmm. 

Took over the leadership from Simon Crane late 2003, so he was only pretty fresh in the role and and that was that. I think that was that was kind of the angle that he was going for. He's like this young, fresh alternative. He's way more hip than Howard, who's been there for. 

And he was quite young. He was very young. 

Forever. And he's like an old dude. And I'm like the young hip. 

Dude. 

Do you remember when he was? He started? He tried. He's trying to get sound bites catchphrases. And he talked about the economy. 

He loved his. He loved a sound bite, didn't he? 

He's like we're gonna ease the squeeze. We're gonna ease the squeeze. Remember? Ease the squeeze. 

He's the squeeze. Yes, of good. So the campaigning obviously off the back of the Iraq war and the Australian troops also participating. That was also pretty central to the campaign was, I think they promised to withdraw the Australian troops if if Labour got in, whereas Howard. 

Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

On the other side was talking about economic growth. And this was there was a lot of prosperity here in Australia 20 years ago. I forgot about this like, super low unemployment. We had strong economic growth and I think we're in a budget surplus like a pretty big budget surplus. So he was he his angle was all about the economy and you know, you know what you're going to get? I've been here for a while. 

Yes. Yeah, we're doing well. Yep, Yep. The economy. In really good shape. Yeah. 

Yeah, doing pretty good. 

Yeah, there's a lot of stability there. I think that a, a few people probably didn't like the fact that he was mates with George W Bush. Remember George W Bush called him a Man of Steel. 

Yep. 

Did he? And I'm like, have you? 

Seen him play cricket. I was gonna say that's not. Yeah, that's not how I describe him. 

A Man of Steel. Look, I think Howard has retained a lot of dignity over the years, you know, and and I think his his political track record whether you like him or not, you know, I mean, we we were in pretty good shape as a country. 

Man of Steel. Yeah, yeah. 

Back then you you have to you can't. Deny. 

That and in the lead up to the election, it was a really close race in the polls and a lot of people believed that Latham had a real chance to defeat Howard. Hmm. His ratings approvals surged. And I think there was a time where Labour actually took the lead in, in the polls, and then towards the end, Howard regains a bit of momentum. So it's kind of neck and neck. 

Yeah. 

But we started to see some concerns coming out about Latham's leadership style. 

Well, I think it all comes crashing. Down with a particular handshake and it was a couple of weeks out from the election. They had this, the handshake incident, which happens on the 7th of October this. 

Couple of weeks out. Ohh no, it's only a couple of days. 

Out actually. 

Yeah, it's yeah, that's right. Just two days before the election at a radio station in Brisbane. So I think Latham is coming out of the studio. Howard's about to go in. And like them sees Howard through the door and and if you, if you put the two side by side, John Howard is is quite a short man. Mark Latham is a big, tall guy. He's a big guy, right, Latham? 

The media blitz. 

Hmm. 

Takes Howard by the hand and walks right into his personal space and gives him a very firm handshake with his chest out it almost I. 

Hmm. 

Swear to God. It looks like almost like one of those UFC weigh. 

Inns, he kind of. Pulled him in towards him, didn't he? Like he grabbed his hand and sort of pulled him close. It was. 

He really did. He he. He pulled him in and stood over him. Basically, that's you. You can go and have a look at it online. It's very it's everywhere. And and and that, I think, was the moment where people went. 

Yeah, yeah. 

Hmm. 

I don't know if I want that. Guy to be in charge. 

Hmm yeah. 

I don't know. I mean, it takes a lot more than that, but does it really? Because ultimately, you know, there are people that are very savvy, that do their research in politics and stuff like that. There are a lot of people that just take, take things at face value and everybody. Has. To vote, you know. 

And particularly if you're cause it was, it was neck and neck, so it was really close. So particularly if you're on. The. Fence. And you're not too sure which way to go. If the media are already covering leadership style and maybe planting some seeds of doubt around Latham's leadership style. 

Hmm. 

Mail and then obviously the media just loved this because this was caught on camera and it was across all of the news outlets. 

Well, and and you know what, Howard didn't need to do anything. He just and and he. I think he handled it exceptionally well because he didn't need to do anything. Now, if a dude comes up to me and tries to shake my hand like that, we're going to have. 

No. 

Yes. 

Hmm. 

Words at the very least, we're gonna have words, and they're not gonna be nice. But Howard handled it very well, and he actually reflects on it in an interview that he did with channel 7 some years. 

Yes, yes. 

He did. 

Later, yes, I saw that famous handshake coming because it had happened several weeks earlier, but it wasn't captured on camera. The Channel 9 studios on. Just before our debate. At the beginning of the election campaign, he'd done done it to me and I just took a mental note. That and when I saw him coming out of that studio, I thought he's gonna do the handshake thing again. And he was bigger than I am and he wanted to create the impression that he was dominating me. Well, it didn't work. 

Certainly didn't. And like I, I mean, I don't know, nobody else will know unless they're. But that's his version of the events. And you know he. It really. 

But he didn't speak about it at the time either. I remember everybody wanted to hear his side of it and he just stayed silent, which is a very, very wise move, I think. 

Now. Well, it's exceptionally good media management I think because it was a very intense moment and it. 

Yeah. Yes. 

It was very uncomfortable, very uncomfortable. 

It just it did the rounds it was on. News bullet. And it became, I think they may have used it in an advertising campaign. They would have been mad if they hadn't. That. And again, Howard doesn't need to say anything because the spin doctors will make the advertising campaign. So as a consequence, and look, I don't know if it's a consequence of the handshake. I'm sure there are lots of other things at play. You gotta give people credit, but then you don't at the same time. 

Yeah. Ohh yeah yeah. Yeah. 

So this is the thing too. Vote voting in Australia obviously being compulsory, it means everyone has to do it and that and little things like those handshakes can can affect. 

Hmm. 

Like a very big contingent of people who are not particularly dialled into policies or anything like that, they're just looking at face value. 

Yeah. Or they're just looking at the media to help them make their decision. Yeah. 

Right. And it wasn't very good. So as a consequence, John Howard's coalition government wins decisively and he goes in for a fourth term. 

Garza won 87 seats in the House of Reps, while Labour secured 60. 

So they smashed him. 

And it was seen as an endorsement of Howard's economic management. So we can't forget about that as well because that that was the the canteen and. 

Well, it was. 

The track the. Track record for the economy that. 

Well, was Howard Costello wasn't it sounds like a comedy dude. Well, it's not Howard and Costello. 

That was also. Yeah, but it was also seen as a rejection of Latham's leadership. I think, too, there was a lot of interest rates chatter as part of the campaign as well. 

Yes. 

Which is which is. Interesting. When we look at things like the economy now and interest rates and the discussions. 

Well, it's it's a big, big topic, big topic and and it's amazing how. 

Yeah, yeah. 

A lot of people in ohh, that's not us. That's the Reserve Bank. That's definitely not us. We don't want to know anything about that. And I think to you know, it just it was a safe space. Again. There's lots of turmoil in the world. There's the the ongoing threat of terror. The other thing I think that they also had in their back. Rocket was stopping the. 

Boats. Yeah. Yeah. And. And they'd they'd led through September 11 and then obviously the Bali bombings and handling everything that came with with that as well. So it was kind of a that there was safety and knowing I think. 

You know. Yes. 

Yeah. 

Well, remember too. John Howard was in New York during September 11. 

That's right. And potentially we then see the similar sort of thing happen over in the US with Bush being spoiler alert in an upcoming. 

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. 

Episode, but obviously. 

Stay tuned folks, for more exciting politics. 

With. But with him being reelected as well, maybe there's this comfort as well, because we know how these leaders are going to handle these sorts of situations and. You know, we're still, we're still on the edge of of thinking what's gonna happen next in terms of terrorism. Like that threat was still really, really. 

Yeah. Big this is where I think the handshake cause everyone was like whoa. And it's it's like in a time where other things are so wildly unpredictable, you know, putting on a display. 

Yes. Yep. 

Like that, which nobody kind of saw coming was a little bit unpredictable and I just don't think unpredictability flew in 2004. People were not happy with. 

Maybe yeah, yeah. 

Hmm. 

So but Latham resigns as leader following the defeat, and for Howard, I mean, one of Australia's longest serving prime ministers, you know, he continues until two 2007 when spoiler alert. Kevin Rudd eventually defeats him. Now, Latham, as at 2024, is serving as an independent member on the New South Wales. 

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. 

Yeah. 

Legislative Council, but I mean he he was in the One Nation party with Pauline Hanson for a while. He's definitely. 

That's right that. 

Yeah. 

He being quite an outspoken character and said a lot of controversial things. Whether or not that's for attention or cause, that's how he's wired. I have no idea. And I I think, but at the end of the day, I mean the people have spoken. And and Howard's back for four more years. That meant four more years of power walks in the Australian theme tracksuit. 

And the tracks are. That's one of my fondest memories of. 

And I was always excited when when he strolled onto a cricket pitches. Let's go to some more. 

Valid. 

Yeah, the. 

Higher athletic pursuits other than that of politicians, you know, they should stay in their lane. Really. Yeah. So we're talking about basketball. We're talking about one of the legends, Scottie Pippen from the Chicago Bulls. Officially retires from the NBA on the 5th of November in 2004. 

Not how it's bowling palace. Different ball sports. Fable. 

I knew that one day this day would come. It's a tough day for me, but I also understand that the game of basketball has been so great for me for so long and I just want to thank all the fans, the people from Chicago. Everyone who's been very supportive of me and my family, it's been a wonderful career and I just want to thank. You all for it. 

Hey. 

It's widely regarded as one of the greatest basketball players of the time, having won six NBA championships with the Chicago Bulls. Obviously, alongside Michael Jordan during the 1990s. 

Yeah. 

What'd you say? But they. They regarded as one of the greatest. Now look, I don't know anything about basketball, but when they say one of the greatest are they saying one of the greatest? 

Yeah. 

After Michael Jordan, or are they saying one of the greatest? Comparable to Michael Jordan. What's the what's the vibe? I would have said Michael Jordan would be better than him, but that's just from my terrible knowledge of basketball, just that he's got all the shoes, mainly. 

Well, they played together, I think they. I think statistically you're probably correct that Jordan was a better player than Pippen, but Pippen and Jordan complimented each other. They played together with the Bulls and they they had a bit of a dynasty going on. They won a lot of championships. 

Hmm. 

Hmm. 

Back in the day, I always remember Scottie Pippen from the 1990s. Basically, in the arcades, I wasn't a huge NBA fan, but I remember NBA was trending amongst people our age. Yeah, and the video arcade NBA Jam was the game was the game. 

NBA jam? I do remember it. I can hear the music, my inner monologues playing me, the music, right. 

Yes, here's the tip. He's on fire. Boom, shakalaka all of that stuff. It was fantastic. 

Now yeah. Ohh my. I meant the Tuggeranong Muso as you do that you've taken me right? 

Wonderful, wonderful arcade game. And if you wanted to play as the Bulls, they knew they weren't licenced to have. 

Back. 

Jordan. So you couldn't play with Michael Jordan on NBA Jam, but you, you sure as hell could play with Scottie Pippen. You could put Scotty Pippen on there and he was great. His stats were good. He was good to play with on NBA Jam. Versatile. 

Ohh really so it had to be. 

That's incredible. Did you have a power move? You know, like in Mortal Kombat, how they have the fatalities. What was Pippins Power moves? 

Well, they they all. Once, once they all get on fire, they just all have kind of similar ones where they do all the flips and they catch fire. You've got a hot hand. Well, yeah, you know, there's flames coming off the balls and the basketball, so. 

But they catch fire. There's flames. 

I never actually saw the game. I just heard it when I. 

Was playing pool. Got a copy of it on the old PlayStation 3. Break it out and have a crack. 

Might have a guy. 

It's it's it's very good for the nostalgia. It's one of my favourite arcade games. In fact, if ever I was to build a man cave, I would definitely want a an old school NBA Jam Arcade machine in one corner of that man Cave. No, you need to stand up. You need to stand for. 

Can you get one that you sit at? They're the ones where you sit down. I don't like Stan. That's no. 

Yeah, jam. It's too exciting to sit down for, but Pippen, very versatile. A great defender, he contributed both offensively and defensively. He was instrumental in that Bulls dynasty. No Scottie pippen. 

That's too harsh. 

Back to Pippin. 

I I don't without Scottie Pippen, I don't think Jordan would have been as successful. And the Bulls as a whole wouldn't have been as remember, you've got like Scotty Pipe and Michael Jordan, Dennis Rodman. Like they were very colourful. Was he on the? Yes. 

Hmm. 

Was. Hmm. Hmm. So he. But, well, Pippin, actually. No, that was Shaquille O'Neal. No, that was he was with Orlando Magic. 

Oh, I thought he was in the Lakers for some reason. 

Ah. 

No, he wasn't with the Lakers, who was with the Lakers at. The. 

I don't know. 

I I don't think they were kneeling. Yes, yes, they they. 

Just. They're the yellow ones, aren't they? The yellow and purple. See, I like them because I like the colour. Combination of yellow and purple. 

That it is a great colour combination. They get more famous, yes. 

Like the Charlotte Hornets, the blue and purple. That's nice too. 

Yes, they not as successful as the Bulls, red and black, the red and the black. 

No, but I got I choose teams. Based on the colour combination. 

Alright, well you should have chosen Chicago because they did very well, but Pippen took off for a while. He went with the Houston Rockets and the Portland Trail Blazers. He returned to the Bulls for his final NBA season in 2000. 

Hmm. 

Three 2004 before he announced his retirement. Yes, yes. And look, like all NBA players, a little bit of controversy around Pippen's career. So during the 1994 Eastern Conference semi-finals, with the game tied and 1.8 seconds left. 

Ohh came home before retiring. That's sweet. 1.8 seconds. 

Yeah, a lot can happen in basketball in 1.8 seconds, and this is the thing they play, like four quarters and then they, you know, it goes for all that time. And then the game is still tied at 1.8 seconds. Why don't one person have a shot and see if they hit it? And then the other. Person have a shot and if they hit it then it's game over. Magic point. Exactly. Exactly. It's like golden point. So the coach, Phil Jackson, he designed a play. The Tony cook. Go not Pippen, which led to Pippen then saying, well, I'm not gonna go back into. The game. Oh. We had a sook. He did. He refused to play that. He refused to play. He refused to play the last 1.8 seconds. There's a lot of egos in basketball. 

He had a tanty. Ohh, that's great. Well, I'm not gonna play then. Boo to you. I'm gonna sit over here and. 

Sulk like they talk about it being a team sport, but. Getting refused to play 1.8 seconds, so kuko makes the game winning shot. Pippins decision is seen as a huge blemish on his career. 

Yeah, you can't soak this nice. 

Nobody's happy with with his decision to do that. 

It's his relationship that I'm interested in, to be honest, most recently. So he's been married twice and I think he's most notable wife, obviously Lassa, Lassa, Pippin. Yeah. Stunning woman. Yeah. Four kids. They've got 4 kids. 

Hmm. Ohh OK yes. Yes. 

Hmm. 

97 to 2021, yeah. And they got divorced, obviously in 2021. And there was a lot of media attention around their separation and divorce. It was who she dated next that drew a lot of controversy and attention. She. 

Yeah. Ohh yes. 

Yes. 

Dating someone with the last name Jordan, but not Michael. Not Michael Marcus. Marcus is Michael's son. 

No. 9 yes. Which is that is wrong on so many levels. 

Yeah. So many levels because firstly, Michael and Scotty are teammates. 

Yeah. 

And that's and then that's his son. And then there's this very, very significant age gap between. 

Yes. And then his son's dating his ex wife. Jordan's son is dating Scottie Pippen's ex wife. 

It's just. 

It just feels a little bit wrong, feels a little bit, but whatever they seemed they seemed quite happy and they went out for a while, but I think I think they broke up maybe last year and then they got back together and then they broke up again. Cause I think they would just want a. 

It's a bit juicy, isn't it? Yeah. 

Different things out of. 

Can't make it work? Well, I mean, you know. 

Life. Different things. 

Going in different directions. 

That's right. Like you know, Michael Jordan's son probably wants an Xbox and you know. 

Don't just uncouple it. 

Pippins exes. 

No, no, no, no. Let's talk about his memoir. 

OK. So I'm Speaking of Xboxes. Yeah, sorry I wasn't even going there. You went there then, but anyway. 

Ohh OK, I thought that was gonna end so I I could hear. You're in a monologue and it wasn't sounding great. 

Yes. Wasn't outer OK? So people are very active in the business world. He doesn't care about what's going on with those guys, invested in various ventures, appeared in media projects. He made a guest appearance on shows, and he's an NBA pundit these days. So he's always got an opinion. He released his autobiography, his memoir, Unguarded, where he addressed his career in control. 

Nay. Nay. 

Issues and feelings about his time with the Bulls and Michael Jordan, and he issued this statement at the time or around that time around 2021, which set, you know, the jaws of pundits and the opinions ablaze. 

I seen Michael Jordan play before I came to play with. The. Bulls. You guys seen him play? He's a horrible player. He was horrible to play with. He was all one on one. He's shooting bad shot. And all of a sudden we become a team and we started winning. Everybody forgot who he was. 

That is, that is. Yeah, it's a bit sour grapes. It's not a good look for him. I don't think. And a lot of people like, OK, you. You've just committed like this. 

No. 

So he's paying a sock again, isn't it? 

Fitness. 

Huge faux pas by speaking about the greatest of all time like that in order to sell a couple of books. So I mean, but it's not the first time he's had, like, a mark on his career, like, you know, 1.8 seconds. He refuses to play a game of basketball and then he goes out and puts a bit of crap on Michael Jordan like that. But, I mean, you know, without the two of them, you still wouldn't have had that. Incredible. 

Yeah. 

Right. And I would I dare say that basketball would not have been as popular as what it is in Australia if it wasn't for Scottie Pippen and Michael Jordan and the Chicago Bulls during that time. 

Yeah. Without them? Yeah, for sure. 

I was pointing at. 

You ohh, were you? I wasn't looking. My inner monologue was just having a chat with me. 

Yeah. What were you talking about? You what have you? What? Have I done? Doesn't matter? 

Private conversation charts, music, music for the week of it's early October 2004, third week of the 3rd of October. 

Wow. 

Yes, yes, we've been doing it all day. 

2004 let's start with the US charts. 

Mm-hmm. 

Yep. Come on. 

Although. 

Just just don't dancing. Just pull up my pants. Do the rock away. Lean, lean, lean. 

But you will always. 

The goodies are still in the jar. That's pretty much the same, but different. What's the order has changed. That's what's different. I think my Boo is crawled up there and knocked lean back back. 

Different. I don't even know. 

Well, goodies has been #1. 

Ah yes. 

Yes, I didn't. Answer a phone call from my parents the other day, cause I was enjoying. That ringtone too much? 

You're rocking out to your ringtone while they rang, and then it didn't. Maybe you should change the ringtone. Do you know how you can assign ringtones to different? I don't even want to go down that road with you. Actually forget it. 

OK. Yeah, sure. 

That was my inner monologue. Being outer once again. There you go, people. You just saw an example of it. In real time. 

This is this is what happens. 

It was amazing, wasn't it? That's my train of thought. I'm terrible to live with, aren't. 

No. 

I yes, yeah. I thought yes, great. Place by Nellies, #4 and sunshine by little flip featuring Leah is number 5. We have the same number one in the UK as last. 

Uh-huh. Excellent. 

We would play it. 

That film clip is so great. You know, I I thought cause you know what gets the the clicks on like TikTok and Instagram, mostly **** and ***** basically. So I thought well, what I'll do is is well, I'll get that talk that we had about the era. 

Jeez, during weird times, you see. It. Yes, you know, we're simple creatures. 

Preds film Clipper I was talking about how wonderful it is. And. Yes. And you know the the gyrating and the bits and the pieces and yeah, and I'll just, but I'll overlay the footage of the clip. That's yeah. 

And you'll add some tips? Spicy food. Yes, I thought that was smart. I thought that was, I thought you were on. To a winner there. 

And to my surprise, the algorithm didn't like. 

Hmm. 

It well the. 

Yeah. 

Interesting part about it was I put a pole on and you know where you got the little slider on Instagram and you slide if you agree with something and I put who remembers this song slide along and nobody would admit it. Nobody would slide and usually. 

Yeah. 

Yeah. 

Hmm. 

Yeah. 

Really I didn't. 

You have at least one slider. Nobody slid. Yeah. We had about 3 saves. 

Yes, some people saved it. 

No one commented. There were a lot. There was a like or two. I think that were bots, but no one slid to say they remembered it. But you know, a few people were saving. 

Hmm. 

It for later. 

Saving it for Ron, just make sure you put your speakers on mute, cause us talking over the top of it's gonna really destroy the mood, isn't it? 

With that, with that in my bookmark, yes. 

It's funny, like you'll do that. You'll do something like that and nobody pays any attention. And you call Corey Feldman as head and everyone loses their. 

Yes. Cares. No one cares. 

Working minds. 

It's. 

It's outrageous. I don't. I'd say don't understand how this world works. It's insane. It's no, really they were very mean to us anyway. We got a we got a new number one in Australia as well. 

They come after. You, with the pitchforks? Burning torches? Yes. Still not over that. It was nasty, very nasty. 

Ohh great. 

The night's high. 

Now I'm. 

Gosh, Sebastian's second single from his second studio album, Beautiful Life. I went off him. Well, actually, I went off him. When Knowles, he didn't win because I was. Team. Nosey. Yeah, I really went off him. When was it? His brother that won the thing that he was judging. What was it the. Was he the voice? 

Was it the? 

What's up or? 

Who? Libby's brother. 

I Got Talent. Or was someone who was related to him? Was it his brother? I think it was her brother and his cousin. 

Karna, Betty's brother, was it. Probably someone that went to kill Song kill song. That was a Freudian penis. The Hillsong with him. 

No, it was a relative. It was a. It was another Sebastian. I think it was. 

They kill songs all the time on that show. 

His brother. Let me look it. 

Really. Look, maybe as his cousin. 

Up I kind of went. I think. 

Could it have been his cousin? 

Was in. Hang on, let me Google it. 

Well, you should, because we need to Fact Check this. You can't be throwing wild allegations out there about Australia's own guy, Sebastian. 

I can't. 

No, because you know. 

Without backing it up, because otherwise you end up with a. 

Heavens to Murgatroyd people could look it up for themselves. Figure it out. 

Heavens to Murgatroyd the you know the algorithm will pick up on it and you'll get a horde of Guy Sebastian fans storming our house. 

Did Guy Sebastian's brother win the voice? According to thenewdaily.com fans outraged after Guy Sebastian's brother has crowned the voice winner, The Shock result, which saw the younger Sebastian take home $100,000 and a recording contract with EMI Music led many viewers to call the biggest singing competition. Rigged. Fans expressed outrage that he was not even allowed to audition when his brother was a coach. 

Oh. 

Thank you. 

Yes, that's appalling. Well, I'm glad you. 

The end, that's correct and. I went off him like I was already off him because noisy. Yeah. And then I. 

Cheques yourself. 

Just that's it. 

Just I've lost. 

He's like a nephro coach. Yeah, yeah. 

I've lost interest. I just. I'm sorry. Look, I'm sure he didn't cheat. I'm sure it. And I'm sure they're both innocent in this, but I just can't. Can't help it. I've got the I've got. 

Hmm. 

Do you reckon? 

The Sebastian nick. And so I'm not even gonna talk about the rest. Of the song cause you you should you can. 

Oh, really? Please. The song's lyrics celebrate enjoying a carefree night out, having fun with friends and leaving worries behind. 

Cheating in the book. Ohh no, sorry. 

What? It's a light hearted feel good anthem about living in the moment and having a good time out with my baby, yeah. 

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 

Oh yeah, yeah. 

OK album album releases. 

That's yeah, yeah. Good. Alright. Well, while we're doing all of that, those vocal gymnastics, I mean, who better than usher? 

That's enough. That's enough of that. 

Hmm. 

With his special edition, what does that mean? Special edition? 

Yes, special edition confessions cause he'd released confessions the original in March 2004, and then thought. I'm pretty popular this year. I've been #1 pretty much every week, so let's just re release. We'll Chuck an extra couple of tracks. 

Are you serious? 

On. It make some more cash re releases. 

Makes. Well, is that really is? 

That really worth mentioning. 

Well, I think it's interesting because I think they added there's 44 new songs and two remixes, really. And it sold. It sold a lot. I think it was, I don't know, a lot of the numbers. 

Did you hear? Have you seen this? There's this target commercial for it, so I should need a commercial for target for confessions. I don't know. For special edition. Just confessions. Doesn't matter. But you can hit a courtroom and there's all a bunch of chicks in the jury. 

Special edition. Regular can run at the Milky Sessions. Ohh, so he's confessing in court. 

Who I think are his are his conquests. 

Order. Any court, Sir, please take the stand. 

Do you swear that the testimony you should give will be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but? The truth, yes. 

I do. 

Can you handle it? 

Right, these are my confessions. 

Yeah, let it burn. 

That's a bit. 

Too edgy for target kids are going. What's he? What is? What is he confessing to? Why is he import mum and dad? Can you explain this ad to me? 

Was pretty edgy for target for target. 

Hmm. 

Ohh chick on the sides. Got one on the way, doesn't she? That was one. 

What does that mean? Yes, Mum does tell me know. 

Of his confessions. Go ask your. Mother. 

There was a remix that. Featured Kanye West on it, in fact. 

Listen up. Listen up. Listen up, world. Listen up. Listen up. Listen up. World. I gotta confess, just to hide this remix Savage did in my life. So. So, yeah. 

She got. 

No. Much to write home. 

That was the so so Def remix didn't hear Kanye and I wanna know what Kanye's confessions are, to be honest. Just keep. Just keep your confessions yourself and yes. 

No, I can't. I think he might have just had something to do with the composition. Of it so. Probably best if Kanye keeps everything to himself these days. 

Yes, yes, definitely. Keep the keep the inner monologue. 

Yeah, yeah. He's got an atom on a log, doesn't he? Really does. Yes. And good on him. Really. I'm all for it, but all well, I'm not. Well, I'm not for any of that. No. So there was the remix. This is it's. This is basically just a money grab. Right. 

OK. 

Ohh, just it was. 

No, no, don't look for. No. It is, but this is where my book featuring Alicia Keys, which is now in the top five, was actually first released on this album. 

Like. 

Which goes on to become one of his most popular tracks, so no confession, special edition, no my Boo. 

No. Oh, really? 

So I think the Archer fans would be ready. 

Ohh so my Boo wasn't on the other one. There was only other confessions. 

I just said that and I said it about 3 weeks ago as well. When my book first entered the chart, there was way too busy talking to you in a monologue. 

These are my confessions. I'm too busy talking to myself to listen to any of. That comes out of your. Mouth. Sorry, we got another album from from those famous pop punk maniacs. 

Yes. 

Hmm. 

Good, Charlotte. 

Don't really care about them. 

Weren't they just huge at the time? Good, Charlotte, didn't you? 

I. 

Didn't hate that song, didn't hate it, right? Didn't mind it. Look at that thing. 

Well, that makes 1 of. It probably probably, yeah. 

Stash, I think I've I. 

Feel like I've sung it. At some point, but usually after about 7 guava cruises, it's not like my starter song. 

And that was that girlfriend. Like boys. Girls like half of money. Hmm. Yeah, it all sounds the. 

Ohh cars and. 

Same to me. 

That's only for a bit too high pitched for me. 

Two versions of the album had the life side, the Life Edition and the Death Edition, just to. 

Ohh. So like usher. Yeah, we'll have two versions. 

Make again to make people spend more money. Same track list except for one unique bonus track to each version. I mean, that's just cruel. Like don't make me shell out 30 bucks twice just to get an extra. So This is why people would downloading. 

As you love us so much. That's a bit douchy, yeah. 

You know, because you'd pull stunts like that? Yeah. They're saying it marked a more mature, darker turn for the band compared to their earlier pop punk albums. But I. 

Come on, maddens. You're better than this. 

I mean me. 

What did you think when they became the Madden? 

Brothers Ohh, that when they stopped being good, Charlotte. 

Yeah. Isn't that just the same? 

Well, like. 

Weren't they good, Charlotte. The so why? Why rebrand? 

Well, they obviously sacked all the other musicians in the band and must have hired other people. Well, yeah, good. Charlotte had like, you know. 

All those other musicians, I thought it was just them. 

All those other guys. 

Yeah, they weren't like one man band like it wasn't like. You know. Ohh. 

To be a 2. Man band. There's two of them. 

Joel and Benji are sitting there with guitars and then they've got the pedals on there. They've got the pedals on their feet and they stomp along and then that plays the big bass job on. 

Been running over to the drum. 

Their back and then he's got. 

Someone has a someone's got. Have a tambourine somewhere. Yes, there's a. 

Pulls a lever and it sets off the symbols on his hat, and he's got that harmonica. Yeah. Put it over his knee. Like, yeah, that sort of thing. No, that. Well, maybe. Yeah, but that that would be a good look for them. I'd like to see that. 

Around his neck. 

Ohh lover harmonica. I'd purchase. I'd purchase both albums, then for the bonus song, if they didn't really what two man band. 

You do not turn this podcast studio into a House of. 

Ah. 

Lies. Alright. OK. Well, here is an album that I'm excited about. I only listen to this album for the first time. Yesterday and I quite like it. Classic Chan by shakhan. 

For you Chaka Khan. What you what you wanna do for you? Feel for me? For you feel. For you and everything, what? I wanna do. I wanna love you wanna. 

Yeah, sucka, Khan. 

Ohh you cut it before the harmonica. I was just saying how good a harmonica is that? Ah, it was such. 

That'll come. That'll come you later on. There's just a little bit of a new show. I've got more, there's plenty more that there is more where that came from. So Chuck. 

You've got more of that. 

On that's. But she there wasn't this a collab with the London Symphony Orchestra? 

Chaka Khan's amazing. So this album? Yes, this album didn't have that song on it. That song was like 80s. 

Didn't it? Ohh well, I'll give you. You can have some of this then just so you can remember. 

I love you. 

Monica, isn't there something comforting about an 80s harmonica? There's something that just makes you feel good when you hear that. 

Yeah, there is. Yeah, yeah. Like that song. That's what friends are for. 

Yeah. 

You know. Yes, yeah, yes. And harmonically in there and I'm feeling comfortable. 

It's soothing, isn't it? It just. It's just lovely. That song's not on. Yeah, that song's not on classic Khan. Classical on classic. Khan is a unique collaboration with the London Symphony Orchestra. I think this is great. So she is singing along with orchestral arrangements of arrange of really classic jazz. 

That's right. So that was that's yoldi Chaka Khan. There's no. It's pretty good. It's pretty good. 

And classical songs. 

Like this one? 

So let me get right to the point. Break I see. Her little time with me, come on. 

Yeah, it's smooth. It's very smooth. I really enjoyed it. There was that they did stormy weather, of course they did. 

Good, very good. 

Remember, we had to sing stormy weather when we did singing lessons with Michael Poletti. 

Ohh yeah, yes I was very bad at it. 

I don't know if he, I don't know if you should mention his name. It might not be a glowing. 

Endorsement for his business? Well, we quit. Yeah, because we were bad, and he probably would all, thank goodness, because he's very reputable. 

It's. 

Yes. So well, I. Maybe I should have asked to do the Chaka Khan version of stormy weather. Might have been a bit better. It also had that song to Sir with love, which was, you know. 

Yeah, it's it. 

Put it on in the background. I put it on when I was pulling together some information for the show. It's just lovely. It's really nice, yeah. 

Hmm. 

Yeah, it's pretty nice. Pretty nice. Again, it just makes me wanna drink cocktails in the middle of the day. 

In the afternoon in the sun, yeah. 

Yeah, maybe you have a cigar? Yeah. 

And eat some Cheetos. Hmm. I don't know. It just felt right. I don't know why. Sure had a sudden craving for Cheetos during. Having spender. 

Yep. Cheetos. Really. Yeah, you play it, play it in, play it in the man. Cave in between bouts of NBA Jam. It's. 

Not if you're eating Cheetos. You'll get red. 

No, not allowed, not allowed to put your fingers on my machine and I don't want your red Fido fingers all over them. Yeah, actually. And don't don't touch my vinyl either while I'm playing chucka can't. Classic can't with your Cheeto fingers. 

On the buttons. 

Greasy buttons with Cheeto dust. That's a bad idea. Classic Khan wasn't a commercial hit, which is surprising, but it did find a niche audience among jazz enthusiasts and and long time fans who appreciated her versatility and vocal prowess. Long time fans like me. 

Hmm. 

Hmm. And anyone who was into, like, right? Like cheese flavoured rice puffs. Did they enjoy? It. 

They did. They did very popular with the Cheetos crew, absolutely. 

Right. Things that were happening in 2004 on the big screen in the small screen on the big screen in both the US and Australia, the number one film was Shark Tale, which we've already discussed with Will Smith playing that. Sucker fish. 

Ah, that's right. Yes. 

Or whatever it was. Yeah. So let's just go to TV 6th of October. This show debut. Ghost hunters. Do you remember this show? 

Ah, I was too scared to watch it, cause I don't like I don't like ghosts and I always feel that if I think about a ghost too much, even when I was pulling the show together, I was like, don't think about it, don't think about it. The voice in my head like, don't think about it, just copy paste because I feel like if I think about a ghost, one will appear and I was waiting to hear like a loud bang. 

Really. 

I honestly. It was just a bunch of a whole like dudes pointing equipment at nothing. 

As I was. 

Pulling this together. I had a lot of equipment, didn't I? 

Hi. 

Pointing equipment at nothing going. What was that? What's that? That's the whole show. That that is the whole show. 

Yeah. What was that? I heard it was that someone said get. 

Out so it premiered this time 20 years ago on the Sci Fi Channel, a team of paranormal investigators primarily focusing on investigating reportedly haunted locations. It was a pioneer show. There was lots of copycats after this, and and in the paranormal. 

The terrible. 

Investigation genre I guess I can't believe it became should this is something that should have never become a genre. 

Big genre big genre paranormal investigation. So does that then become a shelf in the library? The paranormal investigation genre? 

Yeah. 

We're in the blockbuster. 

Yeah. I just always picture like Ghostbusters with the cards flowing out of the shelves and the yeah, but no, no, this is. Here's an example. 

Yes. 

This is where they've seen that tall man in a blue jumpsuit. 

Ohh Jay, I mean when you come to a haunted prison, this is pretty much exactly what you think. Of what it is. 

Amber Lance. 

Hello. 

That sound like a voice. 

You heard that right. I did. That's weird. Oh yeah, down there. You're hearing it. Too. 

Yeah, but nothing showing up a thermal. 

Oh. 

It's his stomach. He's he. 

Oh. 

He's got gas, so. 

It's like. Hello. Ohh. Excuse me. Did you hear? 

Repeat. 

That. Yeah, man like. 

Wasn't me. It was. 

A ghost? Maybe? You need some Toms. No, it's ridiculous. 

It's a dog. It documents the activities of the TAPS team at TAPS, stands for the Atlantic Paranormal Society. They have a society led by Jason Hawes and Grant Wilson. Hmm. And like we said, various haunted locations, including homes, historical sites, businesses. And I yeah, it was the gear. And like I said, I didn't really watch it cause I was too scared. But I was very well aware of the gear. They had a lot of gear. They had EMF detectors, infrared cameras, digital thermometers. There was always discussion about it suddenly gotten cold. So whenever it got cold, there was a ghost, apparently. And then the audio recorders, the thermal imaging. 

Heaps of gear. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. 

He would have spent so much money on all those gadgets. Crazy. 

I know, I know. And they've done hundreds and hundreds of episodes. You would think that at least in one, a ghost would be like, alright, you got me like you got me here I am. Have you got any questions you want? 

Hmm. Yeah. 

Can you guys just stop now? 

To ask, yeah. I've got so many. 

They investigated the Stanley Hotel, which was the inspiration for Stephen King's The Shining, the Queen Mary, a retired ocean liner, Waverly Hills Sanatorium, which was a tuberculosis hospital. That one was. 

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, heaps of people died there. 

That that was particularly haunted. But I think the most haunted was the Eastern States penitentiary in Pennsylvania. 

Yeah, that was the one that we just were playing the grab from then. I think because there was a lot of, yeah. 

There's a lot of torture and solitary confinement and. 

Yeah, yeah. 

They captured footage of figures as they alluded to there. They recorded voice EVP's, which is the electronic voice. Phenomena like that. They've got acronyms for all of these things. It sounds very official. 

No. 

Yeah. 

Yeah. 

Ah, so they thought they were spirits cold spots. They had cold spots and that one loud bangs. You could have just asked the queen being noticed forward. 

Ohh get on the community. Notice boards are loud bangs. Yeah. Hmm. 

To get answers to. That yes, that's not a ghost. That's a notice board and footsteps. Footsteps. 

Yeah, that could have just been anyone from the crew coming back with dinner. 

It became one of the highest rated shows on sci-fi eleven seasons. 

It was unbelievably popular. Honestly, it's well, yes. 

They brought out an international version. Then they bought out like Teemu versions. 

Ghost Hunters International, I think it was called. 

Over the years and everyone, everyone loved. The the ghost hunters for a while, didn't they? 

Well, it's like then you get shows that are like most haunted in all of this sort of stuff. I think South Park actually did the most. 

That's right, most haunted. 

Accurate parody of ghost hunters you're ever likely to hear. 

We are now inside the House where the celebrity ghosts have been spotted. Whoa. What? What was that? What was? What was what? Did you hear? That it was like a it was like a. Is there a spooky ghost? Here. Look, what is that? What is that? I'm pretty sure that's their television. Oh, man, I'm really scared. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What is this? What is this? There's a there's a witness coming from my pants. I see it. What is it? Well, God, I'm so sad. 

Scared. I'm so scared. 

Look, look, it's got you too. Are you getting this? Make sure the camera is getting this definitely some paranormal activity. It's warm and moist. A warm, moist sensation that's moving down my left thigh. Look, it's starting to form a a pool around the floor. Now, are you getting this? Are you guys serious? Who got the paranormal activity is now leaving a trail of some kind behind both of us. Something hot and warm is coming out the back of my pants now. Ohh, it smells. 

OK. 

Yeah. 

It's that is how they reacted. They were very. 

I think it's it's the early stages of, you know, if you give a quid a camera, you'd never know what you're gonna end up with. In this case it was. 

Animated, weren't you? 

Ghost hunters. 

I think Joel McHale described them, Beth. 

Ohh yes. 

As the lead guy as Scooby Doo. 

Scooby. 

Doo, we go to a quality TV show, that's. 

Ohh, big big premiere this time 20 years ago. 

Is I. Actually didn't mind this show. It was pretty great. 

Yeah, me. 

Too Desperate Housewives starring Terry Hatcher and a huge ensemble cast that premiered in the US on ABC on the 3rd of October. And do you remember? The first episode started with? The dead narrator, Mary Alice, and they were all going to her funeral. It was her wake. I think they're all they're all interviewing or she was doing the Mary Alice was doing the voiceover, describing all the characters. And one of my favourite characters that they introduced was Gabrielle Solis. 

Mary Alice. That's alright. 

Yes, yes. 

Gabrielle Solis, who lives down the block, brought a spicy paella. Since her modelling days in New York, Gabrielle had developed a taste for rich food and rich men. Carlos, who worked in mergers and acquisitions proposed on their third date Gabrielle was touched when tears welled up in his eyes. But she soon discovered this happened every time Carlos closed the Big Deal and Gabrielle liked her paella piping hot. However, her relationship with her husband. Was considerably cool. 

If you talk to Al Mason at this. Thing. I want you to casually mention how much I've. Paid for your necklace. 

Why don't I just send the? 

Receipt to my chest. 

He let me know how much he paid for his wife's new. Convertible. Look, just work it into the conversation. 

There's no way I can just work. 

That in Carlos, why not? 

At the Donahue Party, everyone was talking mutual funds and you found a way to mention you slept with half the. Yankee outfield telling you it came up in the context. 

Of the conversation. 

People were starting to stare at can you keep your voice down, please? 

Absolutely. We wouldn't want them to think we're. 

Not happy. 

Weather. 

They just all of the characters. Really didn't have any redeeming qualities. 

No, they were. 

All a bit gross. So you had obviously that was Gabrielle, the former model trapped in the bad marriage, who comforted herself with she was having an affair with the gardener, remember? 

Oh, the God. The hot gardener. Remember the hot garden? Yes, I do. 

Yeah, yeah. And then you had Lynette to stay at home. Mum ohh she. 

Took her kids Ritalin to clean the. 

House faster, yes. 

Yes, that I remember, that's. 

Right. Because she was a big mover and shaker in the corporate world and. Then she had kids and then was miserable. 

Yes. You had Susan. Who? Yeah, it was. Terry had this character and she had the hospital. 

That's Terry Hatcher. She was a club, but she was an annoying klutz. She was just like, stop making stop making klutz your whole thing, she. 

She wasn't so bad. She had the the crush on the plumber. She was into the plumber. 

She made it a grand March. Yeah, but wasn't there something with Mike? Wasn't he like an investigator or something? 

Yeah, I think so. Yeah, it's. 

It was like an agent. 

Been a long time since I've seen it, though one of my favourite characters though was was. 

He was an agent double life. 

3/3 was amazing, so she was like a Stepford wife. Like, everything was perfect in her life, but she just you just were waiting for her to snap. Yes. Do you remember her? She was on Melrose Place as well. Remember. She played the Psycho character at Kimberly. Was that Kimberly on on? 

Hmm. 

Yes. 

I do remember her. Kimberly Kimberly was she called Kimberly? I think just called Kimberly. 

On Melrose, Melrose place. Yeah, she was a force to be reckoned with. She was my favourite character on that show. And then she went across the Desperate Housewives and became my favourite character on that show as well. And I think cause didn't she almost accidentally kill her husband. 

Yeah. Yeah. Yes, she's very good. 

And when he said he wanted to divorce, she was. She was always just ready to go off the rails. I and I love this piece where she's giving advice to her daughter. 

When I was young, my stepmother told me that I was very lucky. I possessed beauty, wit, cunning and insight. These were weapons. All women needed to survive in the world sell, so take good care of your looks, Danielle. You don't have. Any. Other weapons at your disposal. 

Ohh, beef terrible. 

She's so good. She was such a good character. 

I jumped on TV without pity to get a recap of the first episode because I thought it was a mystery cause I remember there was all this stuff about what's buried under the pool and how did Mary Mary Alice die? But then I figured out ohh no, I think she just killed herself, didn't she? That was the yeah. Yeah. So it wasn't a mystery at all. 

Yeah. Yeah, I think she may have done. 

So then I was like, ohh, OK yeah, sorry if you haven't watched it. Well, if you haven't watched it, that's that's on you. So instead of then getting the recap because I thought, Oh well, we know what we know. What happened. I remember that now. Yeah, I found a forum on TV without pity. 

Spoiler alert. You're not down, you're. Not. 

Called desperate distractions and it invited fans of Desperate Housewives to share their fanfic. Ohh their. 

Drawings. Ohh no. Way. 

Their poems, and any other Desperate Housewives creativity that they'd like to share with the group now, because this is in the way back, machine only some links. 

Uh. 

Work. So I was trying to find the poetry. OK, no longer available. It's trying to find the ****** fanfic. 

Right. That's a shame. 

No longer avail. URL doesn't work. The drawings URL doesn't work, but then I found the fun in the desperate distractions and lovely Leah starts off the threat. Just a fun idea I had for a threat. I'll say something like which character? 

Probably for the best. Hmm. Hmm, right. OK. Right. 

And then say something completely random. OK, then the next poster answers with their answer. And why doesn't have to be your favourite character, just whichever you pick for the category and it can be any character, however minor. So I'll start off. This is lovely, Leah, not me. Yeah. So I'll start off. 

Right. OK. 

Which character would you most want to? Get drunk with ohh. Can you be the next poster? Please post #2. 

She says, well, I'm assuming it's a she. That's probably not fair. It could be. It could be a guy, Susan, because I wanna see if she'd have perfect coordination well. You're drunk. 

OK. And what's this posters question for the next? 

Person, which character would you most want to pelt with many small tofu dishes on the eve of their death? Eric, that is. 

Specific. All right, so poster #3 says I'd pelt Xiao May now. Xiao May was the house maid for Gabby and Carlos. She became the surrogate. And then I think Carlos had an affair with her. 

Yes. Because, well, she she knew she was on the to Gavin. She knew Gavin was having the affair with the. 

Knew about. The gardener was a hot gardener. And then? 

Garden. Yes, yes. 

She got it on with Carlos. I don't. Want to get it on with Carlos? Actually, Carlos. 

Hmm hmm. 

Anyway, so the person that wanted to pelt Xiao me then asks which child or teenager do you wish to feed to a pack of coyotes? What's poster #4 got to say? 

They say all 5 of Lynette's kids, minus penny. So and then they go on to say, which character has the wardrobe you'd covet? 

Now here's where it gets interesting. Because you did make a big assumption because poster number. Oh, sorry, that that was poster #4. This is poster #5. Since I'm a guy, I'd have to say dot dot, dot, ohh, gender be damned. I love how Susan dresses. 

Oh yeah. 

Right. 

Very funky and cute. Then poster #5 goes on to say for men. It would be well, I guess. I don't know. Umm Bongo, because he's fur keeps him warm in winter, yet cool in summer. That's the dog. It's Breeze Dog, isn't it? Because Bongo liked her husband but not her this big. 

The dog. That's the dog. 

Oh. 

Being with Bongo, right? So then his question is if any character could give you an STD it would be dot dot dot. 

At the last person. Is Mike because the important part in sexually transmitted diseases is the sex part, and if you're a friend of the show, you're probably get that. That's wow. Excellent. Another TV debut in Australia on the 5th of October. 

Ohh this was a big deal, wasn't? It. 

Yes, it certainly was. It gave something for the pensioners to watch before they went to bed, although, you know? But but pensioners tend to go to bed. Late. Anyway, don't. This isn't at 8:30. That's. 

Pretty late. 

You can put it on a bloody 930. Really. Yeah. Dancing with the stars Australian version, yes. 

But. 

Debuts. Hmm. I don't know. It came from the the British format, which was called Strictly Come Dancing. But given Australia's penchant for double entendres, that was definitely not gonna work here. No, clean up on all three. 

No, that's just gross. Slip over. Very dangerous in those shoes. 

Yes, and and they pair celebrities with professional ballroom dancers, of course, to compete in routines that are judged by a panel and voted on by the. So we Strictly Come Dancing over to Australia. 

Our first dancing with stars AU our stars, it's always a very loose definition of stars on these like dancing on eyes. 

Yes. Yes. Yes, it's like, well, who can we get to commit to? And what celebrity has? 

Dancing stars. 

Got got one with the down I've gotta have. Down time, someone. 

They like. Called to do exactly they're they're so they're not as famous because if they were. 

Commitments, yes. Yes, very nice. 

Famous they'd be. Busy, right? 

Very loose, loose definition or or you know, they could just be having a rest could just be off season. So for a sporting person could. 

They're like, hey. 

Just be the off season. 

Do you wanna dance on the telly? Sure. 

Yeah. 

Yeah. Money you. They get paid. They do get paid and you know, if they've got a book coming out, it's good promo, yes. 

How much? Good. 

Our first ever season featured James Tompkins, who's apparently an Olympic rower, so obviously finished the Olympics. Get bored now, finished the Olympics, gotta keep moving. Gotta keep moving all the legs and arms will seize up, so might as well do some dancing. 

Yep, nothing else to do. Might as well go on dancing with the stars or. A bit of DWTS for short, yeah. 

Gabrielle Richin, the pleasure machine model, AKA the pleasure machine. 

Ohh, the pleasure machine. I remember her from FHM magazine. That's why you can't call it Strictly Come Dancing in Australia. Yes, no. 

Yes. 

Not with the pleasure machine, Katrina Warren. She's always a celebrity. I love her the best because she was. She was on Doctor Harry's practise and then she's on better homes. 

Yes, yes. Yes, that's right. 

And gardens and. 

Veterinarian she didn't go to Vietnam, no. 

And then she's been on radio as well. I think she's got a radio show. I I think she's lovely. So she she's a celebrity in my books. Share, though. Yeah, also a slur. He was pretty famous, particularly with those tight pants. 

Yes, yes, yeah. Uh-huh. Ohh absolutely look pack you into a leotard and away you go, yeah. 

Yes, everybody was like, is he gonna wear some? Like was John Woo? 

MMMM. 

Have you won a load yet? At this point no. So. 

Ohh yes, the actor. I don't think he had ontology. This States and blue Heelers. 

Maybe this was part of the? Groundwork for the logging. 

Plenty of spare time in between seasons. I think it's the only thing that he he acts in. Yeah, exactly. It'd be good for the Logies campaign. 

Give me some extra camera time and then maybe they'll vote for me the. For result. Justin Melvi at at this point is on home and away, but I remember him. Think he started out in Dolly magazine round the Ashley Pasque. 

Did he? Right. 

Time and he was Cleo, Bachelor of the Year. In 2000. 

OK. Right. 

So it's hot. 

Yes. Well, but again, probably doesn't do much except for look good just sitting around. 

Not doing much. Ohh home and away though. Home and away, home and away at that time. 

Ohh spouse, that's it. That's busy. So I have a pretty intense schedule. Same network too though so. 

I don't know how we managed it. Ohh there you go. OK, so we'll just cut a few scenes and home and away, and you can come and dance over here in the same. 

Yeah, just get it. Get. It get back. Cross promotion it's like if you want to get. It's more like, hey, melvi, it's been a few years now. It's been 4 years since you're Cleo bachelor. If you wanna keep. 

Clever. Clever. 

Hmm. 

That. Job. On home and away, you absolutely will go on dancing with the stars and you will like. 

Hmm. 

Bit of a hazing. 

Kit. 

Yeah. Come on. Salsa over here, mate. Pauline Hanson. That was a. That was a big yet at that point. 

Yeah. Pauline. 

In time, because she. Was pretty. She's pretty controversial and busy. She's doing 1 nation things very busy. I think people were surprised that she said yes though with everything that had been going on with Pauline. 

Yeah, yeah. Good for her profile. I don't know if she's that busy. Well, she's got some solid media advisors, clearly. 

Come on, Pauline. And I think everybody was pleasantly surprised when she started dancing. I think we all thought she. 

Really. 

Was going to be. Crap. 

Said the moves like Jagger. Hmm. 

But she was she did. She's pretty. 

Good. I think she came second. 

Yeah. 

And then our winner. Yeah. Beck Cartwright. Another home and away star royalty, indeed. She's our version of Kate Middleton. Yes. To be honest, she's our Princess. The Australians, the Australian Princess. 

Yes. 

Yes. Yeah, she won the hearts and minds. Hearts and minds of the judges and the viewing public. Did you vote on this show? You did vote, didn't you? You had to vote. 

That can't right you did. Did. 

The judges gave the score. 

Yes. And then you voted yes. 

Held at this. 

1st and then you voted and I think it was a combination of the scores and the public vote. And so who the the Olympic rower, who we don't know James. 

Yes. 

Tompkins was one. 

You know, have Todd McKinney was one. Of the judges, I don't think he was. 

At this stage. 

Before he got busted in a public toilet for doing something untoward. 

Ohh he did. There was a lot of things that happened, no. I don't think there was a. 

Allegedly. Allegedly. I don't. 

Public toilet? No. He woke up. 

Know. 

Somewhere on. 

Ohh, he woke up somewhere odd as you do. I mean that happens to the best of us. 

Wake up somewhere out and someone had spiked something and there was. Yeah. Yeah, I mean. You know, it's just. Life. Yeah, big. Allegedly. No. This was hosted by Darrell Summers and Sonia. Sonia Kruger. And I don't think Todd's a judge at this. 

Allegedly. Hmm. 

It was, let me tell you. He. He I think he is. Ohh. There's a mercurio on there and then there was that old boiler. 

So Mercurio, I don't know, and the lady, the lady, that was always really angry and mean didn't like her. 

And angry, angry mean slash *****, which I think is a perfect combination. Yeah, she did. She loved it. She was gagging for it. Yes. I think that's another reason why they couldn't call it strictly thumb dancing. 

Ohh, she liked the males, didn't she? Yes, she loved her. Well packed servo. 

I think one of the worst things about it, and you know from 1 bumbling host to another watching Darrell Summers just, I mean. 

Yeah. 

Like he needs to go to pasta and he needed to go to pasture. Well, before dancing with the stars, however, like and. 

Ohh Joe. 

This was this particular. So to think they had Cosima on and Cosima was gonna do the song. Yeah, she was singing. And then and not when the war is over. And Pauline Hanson was dancing to her and Darrell was introducing it. And it's just it's just King train wreck television. 

DeVito singer nodules. 

Dancing the rumba. Well, Pauline Hanson and her partner, Salvatore. 

Vecchio, please take to the floor. 

And let's keep the applause going for the beautiful voice of kosmar. 

Thank you. 

Aren't we lucky having great singers on the show to to sing for us this morning? Just move over here. Oh, there you are. You're on the mark. I'm thinking the marks back here. And if you move that way, that much cause people say Darrell, why do you put have the people standing on particular spot? Because if you move that far back, you get into the shot of the judges. When that that shot is taken by the camera. Over there, camera 5 you see. So just a little bit of explanation, a little bit of trivia. How did you feel? 

With that performance good, actually I really did. So if no one else enjoyed it, I did. 

Go on. 

Yes. You know. 

And. 

I didn't enjoy any of it. I I just fumbling you though. 

That's classic Darrell though, Daryl. That's he was like that on. Hey, hey, that's nothing new. It's Darrell's modus operandi. 

I had to cut it short. The concept of Pauline Hanson dancing a rumba with a bloke called Salvatore Vecchio is not lost. 

Just a a fun idea I had for a thread. Actually I'll say something like which dancing with star celebrity and then something completely random and then you answer and then we'll go back and forth Sojo out of the celebrities on dancing with the stars. The inaugural OG version in 2004. Which character would you most want to get drunk? 

What? Ohh. Ohh, gonna play the The Desperate Housewives game. 

Yes. 

I reckon. John Wood, John. Wood. Yeah, because he's such a nice guy. But I reckon he'd be quite bitter. About not winning a Logie. So like if you could get him. Drunk enough you could. 

He'd give you the inside. Scoop of like who's in who's an ****? 

Yeah, I think he I think he just I think well, I think a lot of I think a lot of the. 

In the industry, all the secrets. 

Hate would come. 

Out. Good. I'd like to get drunk with back cartright. Actually our the. 

Pretty. 

Public's Princess. 

Ohh really? 

Yeah, we'd have some passion. Pop. 

Hmm. 

Maybe a couple of durries. 

Right. 

And have a great time. Do some burnouts. 

Yes. Yeah. Which character would you most want to pelt with many small tofu dishes on the eve of their death? 

Maybe Pauline Hanson just to see what she thinks. Of. 

Tofu. You'd be like, no. 

Imagine what she felt about the snack pack. Yeah, I just wanted to see what her reaction to tofu would be. That would be my answer. 

Not the tofu. 

Hmm. 

I'd probably go Darrell Summers. 

Really. Which child or teenager do you wish to feed to a pack? Of coyotes. 

Well, does that really work, I mean? 

Look, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go work with me here. I'm gonna go. Katrina Warren, the vet. Not because I wanna see her eaten by coyotes, but she would be able to defuse the situation with her amazing vets skills. Be able to calm the coyotes so that they don't eat. 

Yes. Right. The coyotes, yes. Ohh, I'm gonna say Justin Melvy from home and away. I mean he he's all he is is a slab of meat anyway. 

Yeah. 

Which character has the wardrobe you covered? 

Probably Matt Shervington because his pants would fit me. 

Whoops. 

Not the package you covered. 

All of it, all of. It. 

Again, I'd go back Cartwright because she was just Y2K the outfits. She was just all of us, the jeans and the going out. Top right. Should wear the hats. Remember when the what were those hats called? The Justin Timberlake wore? 

Ohh I don't. 

But she'd wear like the Kmart version. What do they called? You know, the hats? No, no, no. The ones like Fedora. Yes, I saw her in a fedora. I'd. I'd go back Cartwright again. 

Know. 

Big what are? What are those Big Blue font hats? Ohh fedoras a. Yeah. Yeah. Which which character would give you an STD? 

Well, that there's probably a couple I'd probably I'd I'd lean maybe towards the pleasure machine or the the Bachelor of the Year. 

Yeah, I think we're agreed. I think it's a pleasure machine. Hands down. It's gonna give it. I got an STD. Just looking at her on the TV. I was like I I went. I went to the toilet after watching Gabrielle Richards dance on dancing with the. Cars and it burned when I. Sorry, I need a drink to get through that last segment. That was a we should do that more often. We should do the desperate housewife game. 

With. Oh, it's a good game. Yeah. Thank you. Television with that, Eddie and. 

It's a great game. It's great game. Yeah, I appreciate that. 

Thank you, lovely Leah, lovely Leah. She had the vowels. Remove from, assuming it stands for lovely, lovely Leah. 

Ohh right. Let's talk about books we didn't read. 

Lovely. Yes and non fiction because not the Da Vinci Code. But whatever it was we talked about the other week. Still number one, I can't remember what it was so. 

Right, OK, yeah, it doesn't matter. I was that wasn't it. The Patricia Cornwall thing or something. 

I don't know. Don't pay attention. 

Ohh trace trace without a trace. Trace trace something. So yes, nonfiction. And it's called the family by Kitty. 

Yeah. Yeah, something like that. 

Yeah. 

So OK, I have a confession to make, I. 

These are your confessions. 

I did, yes. I didn't actually didn't source any music for this, so I've just picked up. 

Oh, Ross. 

All the ***** music. 

The 70s. 

Well yeah, very app, because we're talking about. The Bush family. It's a non fiction about the Bush family. It is 74. Yes, absolutely. 

Well, it's very 70s, so that's good. Plenty of Bush there, an unauthorised biography of the Bush family by the American investigative journalist Kitty Kelly. It was published on September 14, 2004, less than two months before the 2004 U.S. presidential election. 

I love an unauthorised. Version I remember I bought an unauthorised Spice Girls CD from cannons, food barn, canned bar. It's amazing I bought an unauthorised Prince. I bought an unauthorised Prince from. Where's the casino exhibit? Not at Exhibition Park. The casino in Canberra. They used to sell the. 

Ohh the the bootlegs. Yeah, I remember those unauthorised. They're like $10. Yep. Yeah, I know where. 

Was there? What was that thing called the Convention Centre Convention Centre, you. 

That is, yeah, at. Casino at the base. Thought they had a CD sale there. 

Do they do the CD sales and you get unauthorised? I've got unauthorised prints and I've got unauthorised Spice Girls from cannons. Food barn. So I think this will be good. Is what I'm trying to. 

Now the harm in the dice. I don't even know if you're allowed to have those anymore and might. 

Say so I'm authorised. 

Go to gaol. 

Is it like Limewire and Napster still got em? 

Yeah, we the suspect is we're fairly convinced that the suspect has some authorised unauthorised recording of the Spice Girls and Prince and said some pretty. 

Is cannon cannon. Think I've got a UI got a U. 21 as well, I thought you were gonna say I got a. 

UTI and I'm like that's not appropriate, we're doing that. Did you look at Gabrielle Richards as well? Goodness me. 

Alright, tell us about the unauthorised push come. 

Yeah, it's. 

Probably a place. 

On good idea from the First Lady of unauthorised Tell all Biography, this is the first real inside. Look at the most powerful and secretive family in the world, from Senator Prescott, Bush's alcoholism to his son, George Herbert Walker's bushes. Infidelity. To George Walker, Bush's religious conversion, shady financial deals and military manipulations, Kitty Kelly captures the portrait of the family that has whitewashed its own story almost out of existence. Wow. So obviously, they're not fans yet. I don't think that they would ever authorise this to be. 

Very unauthorised, yes. I don't think they signed off on. 

This. 

No. Hmm. 

It's great day, Lynn Foster. Four stars. Kitty is a crotchety with an axe to grind. 

Yeah, she is, peg. 

Still four stars. 

Which is her favourite activity? Three stars, Kitty Kelly's unauthorised autobiographies are my guilty pleasures. At least until the new season of Desperate Housewives begins. 

I'm wondering if. 

They're selling unauthorised biography. Does that mean that they haven't really fact checked it? They've just thrown whatever in and if they call it an unauthorised biography, they. Can't. 

Get in any trouble. Maybe. I don't know. I think she's known for. Doing these, I think she's kind of snarky. I don't know, I haven't. 

Yeah, OK. Well, it sounds like it. 

Read it, obviously. 

Somebody's guilty. Here. 

Judy three stars. Well, this is pretty much trash. Since I listened to it on audio, I guess that it could be classified as ear candy. In my defence, I needed a book to listen to while on route to Hilton Head. That wouldn't distress my husband. So I stooped to his bushes and idiot mentality and picked this up at the library. I will admit that he stayed awake. And listen to. It all the way on the trip down the I. 95. 

That's good. And of course. 

Kept husba away on the I-95. 

It. 

Yes, and Hilton Head is only available on DVD as well. Joe Clarke, who has a self proclaimed author. He says he's an author. He gave it three stars. I began listening to this book 20 years. 

Isn't it awesome? Yes. 

Ago when I was doing a lot of driving but it was too long to complete on a library loan audible solve that problem for me. Ohh shout out to Audible podcast, our podcast also available on Audible Hello Hello to people who are listening on audible. 

I didn't know that someone said that at the pub. Who was that? That was someone at the at the pub the other night. Thank you. Thank you for listening. So I'm I'm sensing a driving thing. It's Judy. Judy kept her husband. 

It's yeah, it was there at the pub. And if you've made it this far, congratulations. We really appreciate it. 

Yeah. 

Blake and Joe was listening when he was driving. 

Indeed, yes, on route to Hilton. 

That's good. 

OK, Kathy, four stars I once saw Barbara Bush at. 

Head. 

Jean's Playhouse. 

How does that constitute A4? Rating. I saw you, so I'll give you 4 stars. 

You're in the book 4 stars. Great. 

Hmm. 

That's the review. 

Well, that was enlightening. Those book book segments are just getting better by the every episode. They get so good anyway. Exactly. Thankfully, we're at the end. We're at the end. We're at the hatches. Matches, dispatches segment. 

So Barbara Buscher jeans plans. 

And we have a match for you this week, a celebrity. Who said this? 

My real apology to her will not come in the form of words. It will come from my behaviour over time. 

Hmm. If you said Tiger Woods. You would be correct. Tiger Woods was 28 years of age on the 5th of October and he got married to former Swedish model Ellen Nordegren, who was 24 years of age at Sandy Lane Resort in Saint James, Barbados. 

Is it alien or Ellen? I don't know. 

Ohh did not. What did I say? Ellen? Ellen, I think it's Ellen. Cause she's Swedish. Yeah, I got it wrong. I think it's Ellen. I apologise. She was is gorgeous. Stunning. I she absolutely beautiful. Tiger was punching, I think. 

Ellen, I think it is, Ellen. Funny woman. 

It was, yes. 

Yeah. 

They it was a pretty fancy wedding. They rented out the entire resort in Barbados because he obviously has a lot of celeb friends, lots of friends in high places and they wanted to. 

Hmm. 

Yes. 

Ensure privacy, yes. 

And if there's one thing that Tiger Woods needs, it's privacy. Hmm. Hmm. 

Privacy. Lots of privacy. Yes, 200 guests. Michael Jordan. Don't know if Scotty Pippen was also invited. He might have just just been Michael Jordan. Charles Barkley. Lots of other sports stars and celebrities. Yeah. Cost around around 2 mil. 

Hmm. 

I think he was his date. Yes, Charles Barkley was there as well. Yep. 

To cover the rental and a lot of security measures, because obviously tiger is really big at this time, he's been winning all of the golf. 

He was, yes. 

Over all of the years. 

All of the golfs, very famous from the golfs. I I don't even know golfs. I mean, it's a it's a good walk spoiled, but it pays. 

I don't think he'd lost any of. 

The. At this. 

Stage had he? I don't. 

He's always winning. He's always winning. Well, and then he had to fly a lot of the guests in by helicopter so that the media wouldn't see them. So that was expensive. 

Hmm. 

Helicopters aren't cheap. 

And they were introduced through another golfer. A guy called Jasper, part of. 

It yes, he was Swedish as well. Yes. And I think she that's right. 

Was his nanny. He was his nanny and then he introduced her to Tiger. They dated for a few years. They then get engaged in 2003, in October 2004, and then they have their nuptials. 

They get married. They went on to have a couple of kids. Yep. Alexis Woods and Charlie Axle. Woods, 2007 and 2009 they were. 

Spend terminals. 

Born and we all know the story. The marriage ended in 2010. 

Ohh, we know the story, but I haven't thought about the story for a while and it's an incredible story. Isn't it incredible. 

Tiger was a tiger was a bad bad boy. Bit of it. So much so that Steel Panther wrote a song about him. And if Steel Panther are writing songs about you, you're in big trouble. And he was cheating all over the place all over the place. 

She first became Sass in November 2009, and I think the National Enquirer publishes a story saying that he's had an affair with a nightclub Hostess by the name of. 

Yes. 

Rachel and he. 

Yes, Rachel uchitel. I remember the name. 

He initially denies the allegations and I think so much so that he rings Rachel and he puts Ellen on the phone to her to get Rachel to say Nah, Nah, nothing going, nothing. No, it's it's all BS. 

Yeah. Happened. 

Umm. 

Yeah. 

It's not true, and so Tiger is sitting there in the background going. Yep, Yep, she's buying this. Great, great, good, good acting. Good work. Good work. Rachel. She's believing it. And then the next day, that hits the news stands and I don't think it Ellen was. 

Uh. 

Was buying it. 

No. Well, she of course not, because it wasn't true. 

And so then they get to Thanksgiving 2009, and she confronts him because. 

Hmm. 

I think he's taken. He's taken. A sleeping tablet, I think because he was not a good sleeper, he's not a good sleeper and it's Thanksgiving and he's eating a lot of food. He wants to have a snooze. So he's taking a sleeping tablet. 

Yeah. 

Hmm. 

Yes, well, could have been the trip to fan and the Turkey eat too much Turkey. That snooze as well. Our football's on a bit of white noise in the background. 

That's sleepy. Yeah, yeah. 

If you donate the cheese because then you get. Nightmares. 

Then yeah, well, I think his nightmares were all coming true, right? 

Or fruit cake. 

So he's fallen asleep and she's gone through the phone and I think she's found Rachel's number in the phone. Yes. On Tiger's phone. And so she sends. 

Now. 

Yes. 

A text to Rachel. Pretending to be tiger. Ohh saying oh babe I miss you. 

So I don't know something. 

Like that, and she then responds. 

Yeah. 

Obviously, in a way that. Just. 

Unravels it all ravels the lies. 

Hmm. 

I think it was a bit ribald and and so. 

Then she wakes him up. 

Yeah. And he tries to escape. He tries to run away. 

I'm asleep. 

What little runner from his own house? 

Just. Gets in the Escalade and she gets in a golf cart and gives chase. This is. 2:00 in the morning I would love. 

To have seen. The the golf cart chasing the SUV that. 

Yeah, it's been spectacular. Would have been spectacular. He pulls out of the driveway, crashes into some hedges, hmm, careens into a curb, hits a fire hydrant, then hits at. 

Would have been a site. A science. That's right, the fire Hydra. 

3 then winds up in the street, unconscious and bloody and snoring. 

Thanks. 

They were snoring from the sleeping tablets. 

Yeah. And the neighbours come over and there's there's Elan with the Golf Club, and she smashed out the two back windows of the Escalade as you. Would you be off? 

Hmm. 

I think she said that she was trying to smash the windows to get him out. Of. The car to help him. So I look, we don't we don't know the we don't know the true story. 

Is that right after after that near fatal accident where he's going probably about 10K an hour and hit fire hydrant. 

But he's had a sleeping tablet. Who knows? He might have fallen. Actually, he's driving, but it's very comical to hit a fire hydrant as. To. 

Who? Who is this? 

Well, isn't. Like, that's just something that happens in the cartoon. 

All the movies, right? And I'm just wondering, you know, sleeping tablet or not if you're trying to escape your enraged wife. 

We hit the fire hydrant. 

I would have preferred. Him to be in the golf cart, to be honest, trying to outrun her in the SUV, I would have preferred that. 

And then she's tried to run him over with the escalator. There could have been. That would have been a very different outcome. He would have. Been Rd kill. 

To hit him. But just seeing him trying. To escape and. Make the golf cart go faster. They're very slow. 

Well, this was obviously the catalyst for a much bigger conversation. 

Yes. So that hits the media and I think he then said I think then they both go silent because the police came round to the house a lot trying to find out what went down because of the smashed windows and they're like, is this a domestic violence incident? And then and then they were like, no, that's it. Like, both of them were just like, no, nothing. 

Because. Yes. Yeah. No, nothing happened. You. I don't answer questions. Yeah. 

See here it was he. He crashed and I I tried to save. 

And you have to remember, too, that he's Tiger Woods is squeaky clean. 

Him. 

At this stage. 

He was, wasn't he? He was so clean. 

Yeah. And he's the he's the young black kid that that made good. Yeah, that's now playing Professional Golf. Huge success story in a white man's sport. Got this gorgeous Swedish wife. Yeah. And then then the women start coming forward. Multiple women. 

Cut, yeah. No one can beat him. Stunning model wife. 

Women. 

Many, many, many, many, many women come forward saying that they've had affairs with him. Yeah, and then his reputation just unravels. Basically, what was the number? I think I think at some stage there was. 

Yes. Yeah. 

40 But then I think it was proven that it was way more than forty way more than 40, and he didn't treat them very well either. A lot of these women he like didn't take them out to dinner or anything, like didn't woo them, didn't buy them anything nice. He's just. Yes, it was. It wasn't very nice. 

There was a lot. There was a lot. 

Hmm. 

We didn't need to. I mean that, I mean I think it was all it. Was all consensual. They were up for it. 

Ohh absolutely absolutely. But I I don't think he was the the best partner. 

Yes, I I love the line in the Steel Panther song where it's. 

Like. 

Have your best friend book all of your flights and tell your wife that you're golfing nights. That's so good. 

So so he releases a statement in February 2010, taking full responsibility for his actions. Yes, well, I don't know. Who else did it, mate. Yes, he apologises to his family, to his fans, to his sponsor cause his sponsors as well. Losing all the sponsorship. 

Hmm. 

Supposed to be a family man. It's not good. 

Yeah. Yeah, well, he's not anymore, is he? He's probably got multiple families in multiple locations. 

Acknowledged being. Living a lie, a lie, a life of lies. Behaviours harm many people. And this is when he comes out with. 

Hmm. 

Hmm. 

Sorry, I'm a sex addict. I have a sex addiction. Yes, my sex addiction that caused this. I'm actually. 

Yeah. 

Yeah. 

Yeah. 

A good guy. 

Yeah, sex addiction. 

You know the the path to redemption I think really is is is paved with. 

Hmm. 

The. Opportunity to be on dancing with the stars Australia. 

Hmm. 

Just a bit of a passive dark life, yeah. 

The redemption story, yes, yes, that or the the the combat show, the GI Joe Show. What's that one? 

Ohh, what's that? SAS. Australia. They're horrible falling stars on that terrible people. 

That's where they put all the fallen stars, isn't? 

It. 

Don't they? Yeah, they put them on that and then everyone loves them again. What? Tiger Woods on SAS? Who'll be a household? 

They love them again. Doesn't matter what they do. Yeah, exactly, you know. Yeah. Make him sit in a cold ocean for 12 hours until he cries and then we'll love him again in spite of his infidelity. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know how he could be, mate. There is. 

Same again in no time. Ohh, we just missed it, just misunderstood, just misunderstood. But he went. To rehab and again again like. 

What? What do you do? 

In rehab for sex addiction, what does rehab look like for I'm sorry, sorry. All the sex addicts out there. I'm sorry. I'm it's really sounding very. I'm probably sounding very rude. 

Probably real scene. It is a theme. I mean, what a great thing to be addicted to, but it is a thing. 

But what would you do in rehab for it? 

Yeah. 

I'm just trying to understand. 

Ohh yeah, sex addicts. They put *** **** ** addiction. Yeah. Look, I I don't know. I guess not. Have sex not be exposed to any sexual imagery or anything like that. You know, you probably you wouldn't be allowed to put. Wouldn't be allowed to. Yes. Or the withdrawals is a big deal. You wouldn't be allowed to touch certain areas of your body perhaps. 

I'm just trying to understand. 

Withdrawals. Oh. 

I don't know. There'd be a lot of abstinence. 

I just. I have so many questions and I know I'm sounding very insensitive to all the sex addicts out there and I apologise, but I just. 

Yeah, you gotta be careful. 

I just don't understand what rehab would look. 

Like for that. 

Hmm, that's. 

But yeah, maybe you can go on SAS Australia and explain. Ohh no, I'm A Celebrity. Get Me Out of here. Because then at night when they lie in the bed, they. Talk about all this stuff they've been through. 

I think that's how the windows got smashed in the car. It's like I'm A Celebrity. Get Me Out of here. I'll rescue you. I I don't know. I mean, sex addiction is a is is a real thing, apparently. My Michael Douglas had it, remember. 

It is. It is. I'm sorry. It's very insensitive of me. 

Other people are just root rats. If you're not famous, you're just a root. You know, it's a difficult thing to to get around. Being addicted to sex. I mean, yes, indeed, I think I think the best way to actually rehabilitate from your your sex addiction is to watch Pauline Hanson do your rumba. It. 

Challenging, very challenging, I'm sure. 

You're not checking anything after that. 

You know. 

Anyway, that is, that's it. I think we've reached a natural conclusion. We could go down. Well, sorry. This rabbit hole. Ohh God yes. Is there anything happening next week that's worth redeeming ourselves on? Or are we? 

That is the climax. Yes, yes, we've reached the climax. Actually, there's not a lot. Yeah, but I did manage to find some. I just managed to dig up some stuff about some mobsters, some famous, something to do with the gottis. And they were trying to find bodies that had been buried. 

Oh, that sounds interesting. 

So. Was. That was a little bit interesting and there was. Something about wild boars. 

Hmm. 

Umm. 

And there was something in tech. What was the thing in tech that was interesting? Ohh. 

Yelp. Ohh. Yelp. 

Yelp is released to the public launched. 

Yeah. 

Really. Well, you can flesh all that stuff out over the course of the week and we'll get back to it next week. In the meantime, thank you so much for listening to us. Putting up with our rubbish. Honestly, we do appreciate you immensely. And you can continue with the rubbish over on the socials, if you like. Facebook, Instagram and yes, TikTok, it's all happening there. 

I will. OK, great. 

Too. 

Well, what are we gonna? 

Ask people, what do we talk about at? The start we're gonna. Float that with people and get their open. 

It's so much has happened since. 

I know we've been through a lot. There's been a lot of emotions. 

Hmm. 

Especially in this particular episode. 

There's been a lot of things as Martha Stewart baking. No, it wasn't Martha Stewart. She wasn't heading to the polls with the handshake. 

It's had a lot of ups and downs. 

What was it? Scotty Pippin, NBA jam? No, I can't remember what we were voting on. 

None. 

No, I don't know. I'll figure it out and they'll. Put it on. 

The socials, we'll. 

That'd be good. Oh. 

Go back and listen again. Figure it out. Ohh, the inner monologue. Ohh, that's sorry, that was right back at the start. 

Yes, the inner Monroe. 

My inner monologue just reminded me. 

That's. 

Good at the inner monologue, yeah. 

That's good. Well, I think hearing and monologues telling us both to it's often let these people get on with the rest of their. 

Alright, thank you. 

OK, great. Bye. 

Lives. Thank you very much. We love to see you. 

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