Malice at the Palace - basketball's biggest brawl turns 20!

This week in 2004 NASA cranked up the speed dial to an astonishing Mach 9.6—that’s 7,000 mph—thanks to the experimental X-43A scramjet aircraft. Unlike traditional rockets, this futuristic wonder didn’t rely on onboard oxygen; it sucked in atmospheric air as fuel, reaching record-breaking speeds and paving the way for some thrilling possibilities. We’re talking hypersonic missiles that can outmaneuver anything in sight, a cost-effective boost for space access, and one day, maybe even hypersonic passenger flights (NYC to Tokyo in under two hours, anyone?). We’re ready, but we might want to strap in. 🚀💨

Meanwhile, across the Atlantic, a major environmental milestone quietly reshaped the global climate fight. Russia, unexpectedly, ratified the Kyoto Protocol, officially pushing the treaty across the line for worldwide adoption. This historic move forced some climate-dragging countries (cough Australia cough) to reevaluate their priorities. The US sat this one out, but with Russia’s commitment, the protocol aimed to curb emissions, sparking hope that even baby steps could make a difference. 🌱🌎

Not to be outdone by all this high-speed action, SpongeBob SquarePants made a giant splash with his first movie, a hilarious sea-faring adventure where he and his starfish buddy Patrick embarked on a wild quest to save Mr. Krabs. With biker bars, deadly sea creatures, and way too many bubble-blowing antics, the movie raked in $85 million on its opening weekend. SpongeBob proved he could handle high-stakes missions with as much heroism as any superhero, only with a bit more goofiness. 🍍💪🎬

But the month’s real mayhem happened on an NBA court when a fan tossed a drink at Ron Artest (aka Metta World Peace), triggering a legendary on-court brawl between the Indiana Pacers and Detroit Pistons, fans included. Dubbed the “Malice at the Palace,” the fight left the league reeling, earning Artest a 73-game suspension, the NBA’s longest ever. And in a truly iconic moment, after the dust settled, Artest turned to a teammate and asked, “Do you think we’re gonna get in trouble for this?” Spoiler: definitely. 🍿😳

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Chapters

• 0:00 intro
• 0:26 show opener
• 8:31 news
• 22:06 sport
• 30:22 music
• 47:02 tv and movies
• 59:30 video games
• 1:03:58 books we didn't read
• 1:09:30 hatches, matches and dispatches
• 1:13:01 show closer

Transcript

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The year is 2004. Your polyphonic ringtone habit is sending you broke. George W Bush is sworn in for a second term, and in spite of everything going on, the most controversial thing is a wardrobe malfunction at the Super Bowl. T -, 20 rewind 20 years with Joe and Mel. 

14 November 2000. 

4. T minus. 

The rest is history. 

You know what? I'm very forgetful. Hello there. 

Stop trying to make fetch happen. What we're waiting for. 

You're fired. This is harder than I thought it would be. 

My fellow Americans. 

Roll. 

Ohh g'day everyone. Welcome to T -, 20. The podcast will be rewinded to this week in history 20 years ago. It's as simple as that. You can say you've taken up jogging, but it's for your memory with your host Joe and. 

Mel. Hello, Mel. We are so healthy, aren't we? 

I really am on a massive health kick at the moment, he says. 

Great for your cardio. We are rewinding it to the 14th to the 20th of November 2004. 

As he has another sip of his beer. 

The Patriots have played a very intelligent scene tonight. 

Hey. 

And Wallace is stalls and Wallace did. Right at our test. 

Ohh, there's a massive brawl, a huge brawl, malice at the palace. They called it. 

I watched the whole thing. It was so enthralling. Wonderful. 

You would think you would think that we were watching wrestling, but no, no, no. We'll find out what sport that was later on in the show. 

Tonight, 11 red blooded sports loving men have come to battle for the title of All American man. 

Hello. 

Or were they? Were they really battling for all American man? I don't think so. This is back when reality television was very cruel to its participants. 

Oh. One of those ones where you go, it's not all of the getaway with that. Today. 

Nah, but we'd probably enjoyed it nonetheless. 

Yet ready for big adventure. 

Let's get it. 

Ohh boy. 

How you doing? 

Ohh, one of the best cartoon characters of all time. According to a lot of people, especially if they shop at JJ's jeans. Had a movie release. 

It really made it acceptable to like cartoons again as an adult or, you know, an older person, yeah. 

Yes. Well, I mean, yeah, we've we had The Simpsons and stuff in the late 90s and all of that. 

Yeah, right. And Stampy, but this was kind of the the early 2000s answer to being able to like cartoons. Again. 

It was completely mad, but that's it. Those stories and more today. Tonight, this morning, wherever you are on t -, 20. 

Hey, when you were. 

Kid. Did your grandma, your mum? Did they carry you around lollies in the bottom of the bag that they'd offer you? They're just random lollies, like, not necessarily a whole packet, just loose in the bottom of. 

Yeah, yeah. 

The. 

Yeah, it was always a bit weird. Bit strange. Like why not rallies in here? 

Parents. Yeah, what did what? What lollies did your your grandma or mum carry around like say this? Also a role. 

Life savers, little lifesavers yes, fruit tingles, yes. 

That's dangerous because once you open that row. Well, it's exposed to all of the handbag dust. 

Hmm. 

Yeah, yeah. You try and make sure your younger brother got the one off the top of the roll and then you get the next one. Along in the same thing, yeah. 

Yeah, yeah. And you'd hope that they weren't the peppermint with, like, a docket nearby. Sometimes the docket ink would print onto the mint. 

That's fine. It's not gonna kill. 

You, you know, well, actually, I read something on the Internet the other day that said you shouldn't handle a receipt without gloves. 

Cause docket ink is toxic. Can we not just. It's not Joe Rogan's podcast. People start avoiding docket. Intel will get sued and they'll think it's like ivermectin. Yes. 

I don't know. I don't know. I'm not sure. I'm not sure I'm. I'm wowser and I'm creating controversy. I think it was on Huberman. In fact, I don't know. Go look it up. I I just heard something about wearing gloves when touching a docket, but that's fine. I've gone. Docket docket bless. 

All right. 

The. 

Well, apparently apparently you if you if you drink the docket ink it'll it'll make you immune too. 

If you leak. 

It. Yeah. Well, if it's on your grandma's peppermints and you. 

Yes. Yeah, that's that's how come we never had COVID-19 when we were younger because it was docketing on the lollies in. 

Ate it? You probably got a problem. We ate dockets, yes. 

This purse. 

My grandma's had worthers remember the worthers. 

Ohh, the little the caramel things. The word of once. 

Yeah. Or were they butterscotch? Then there's a butterscotch. Toss it. Yeah, they were weird. Ah, the strawberries. Remember the strawberry lollies, are they were strawberry? They are hard candy. They were strawberry, strawberry flavoured. But the wrapper looked like a strawberry. It was red and it twisted and the top. 

Ohh that. Coffee, whatever. 

Hmm. 

They're in a wrapper. They had the little dots. Ah, yes, I. Do remember them. 

Of it was green. 

Yeah. 

I don't know. I don't know. 

Where do you even get those? That's the other thing too. I mean, werther's. OK, lifesavers. OK, we know where they came from, but there were lollies that. 

Yeah, those ones, they felt like a Christmas lolly. They felt like something that came out at Christmas and then would stay in the bag. 

You just. That you'd never see any other time. 

The whole year. 

I I don't think I think a prerequisite for actually having access to those strawberry lollies is that you need to probably be over the age of 75. 

Hmm. 

So there's like some secrets area of the supermarket that 75 and plus can go that no one else can that has those lorries. 

Yeah. 

I think it's. I think it it might be a be a dead drop or something to that effect, or maybe even it's just a door. Somewhere out in the suburbs that they do a secret knock on with their walking stick, and then the the strawberry lollies come out for them to put in their clothes. 

Somewhere. 

Yes, the story rallies come out and then never in a full bag. They're just always single rollers. 

Well, I just don't know where the hell they come from. I don't think I've ever seen them for sale at the yes. 

I don't know what. Yeah, I don't know what the big packet looks like. That they come in, I've only ever seen. Singles. 

Not available at point of sale. It's alarming. It's alarm. 

Singles. 

I mean it's it's that's that's senior citizen magic. That's what that is, yeah. 

And if you gramme. Is it? And if your grandma smoked too, there'd always be a little bit of tobacco stuck on the wrappers as well. That was. 

That's good. Get you under the nicotine. Nice analogy. Wonderful. Yeah. 

That was. Good. Yeah, exactly I'm trying. To figure out. When I'm a grandma, what I'm gonna put in the bottom. Of my purse. What? 

You still got. You still got. 

A while to go, I know, but I it's an important thing. It's like, well, what? Lolly, am I gonna carry around that? I'm gonna hand out to. The children and scar them for the rest of their life. 

Have you have you given it any more thought than that, or do you have some ideas? 

Well, I I start. 

Started to think maybe Mentos, but then I feel like Mentos is too much of A corporate suite. 

Yeah, when it comes in into you, blood the. 

Because that's what. 

Life savers as well. 

But no you. Know how you get the individual men tosses when you go to the conference? I feel like that's a corporate lolly, so I don't think that's appropriate. 

Ohh, right. Yeah, yeah, I do. I get bored at conferences when they've got Mentos, and then I just find myself indulging in them. 

And then you try and open them by squeezing the packet that they fly out in a conference hit someone in. 

We have the discretion with the packet, so you try and open it under the table and then it just looks like you're playing with yourself. It's very awkward. Yes. No, I wouldn't do Mentos. 

Front of you. So I don't think I can do. I don't think I. Can do mentos. Maybe eucalyptus? Phelps. 

Really, no kids are gonna want them. It tastes like Pina clean. 

Eucalyptus drops cause I just. Wanna. Well, exactly. I was one of those kids that would eat those sorts of things as lollies, butter, butter menthols, anti coals. 

Yeah. Yeah. Cough lollies, yeah. 

Eucalyptus drops. That's what I'd get from the canteen. Ohh. I like the. I only liked the, not the squishy throat ties, the hard ones. 

Throatier's throatier. Ohh weed. Yeah. Well, they they were hard gummies, so just weird things. 

Yeah. OK. So maybe that's what I could carry. What would you carry around in your handbag? What sweets? What sweets for the kids. 

Pull your fillings out. They would, hmm. Well, I don't have a handbag. Well, I mean to blokes do that, do blokes carry around sweets in their in their? 

Grandpa grandpas small fish fisherman friend. 

They just have chain. Coins in. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I was gonna say fisherman's friends. 

Fisherman friends is a grandpa sweet. Yeah, yeah, yeah. OK. 

Just get rid of the stank breath. You know, I'm. I'm a big fan of the fisherman's friend cause it's it's. I mean, it's bitter and old like me. Alright, moving right along hatches, matches and dispatches is the segment we do at the end. Of the show. But this is the clue. To that segment that we do at the beginning of the show, it's an old trick, one of the oldest ones in the book. It generates what do they call it? TSL time spent listening. Hmm under the assumption. 

Hmm. 

Time spent listening? Yeah. Hooking them through. What was it? Great hooks put ticks in. Books. 

Teasers and hooks with teasing books, yeah. 

Teaser when I knew the hook bet and the hook bet. Yeah, great. 

Yeah, yeah. 

It's a celebrity who is having a birthday. I couldn't find this time around. I couldn't find any. People that were turning 20. Yeah. I don't like that. I don't like it. I like doing. I'm the technical. I'm the technical producer. You're the executive producer. 

Ohh, you're in charge of it for once you have to do some content today one bit you had to do one thing, one one piece of content and ******** all afternoon. Did you find something? Have you got something? Great. Good. 

Somebody having a birthday that said this? 

Most exciting, most exciting. And gentlemen, I've never seen anything quite like it before. Not quite a large one here. It's it's very, very large indeed. I I I. 

It sounds like he dropped it on the floor. Whatever it was, it was large and it was most exciting. We'll find out who it is. 

Wow a. 1. 

And what that was at the end of the show? 

16th of November 2004 Nasas hypersonic scramjet achieves a ground breaking milestone of reaching speeds of is it match or Mac Mark Mark Mark what to say, Mac? We'll go with Mark Mark 9.6. Or for those that don't understand that type of measurement. 

Mac. 

7000 mph, 7000 miles. 

That's fast. That's very fast. Scramjet technology is amazing. They're supersonic combustion ramjets. And what they do is they explore and enable high speed atmospheric flight capabilities. That's what they do. I think they suck air in. The front and then that air then gets heated as it blasts out the back with all of the fuel and that when the fuel leak ignites and it kind of compresses and then creates a huge amount of force, I explain that super well, didn't I? Here's the sound of the hypersonic scramjet at launch. 

Launch. On my mark. And 54321 launch launch. Ignition ignition guidance is on supersonic supersonic. 

I mean, how exciting is that? The adrenaline. Can you just hear it coursing through the veins of the people that are announcing the the supersonic speed? They have to be very calm. They do. They're dealing. They're somebody's riding a giant tank of explosive petrol in the upper atmosphere. 

Mm-hmm. 

Yes. Yeah. You can't go 2 knots, so it's a scramjet because the supersonic combustion S&C in front of the RAM jet. For those that would like to know that the applications are generally focused around military space exploration and looking into long range transport. 

Yes. 

Hmm. 

Technologies so for military. They are used in developing hypersonic missiles, which would be very difficult to intercept because they go very fast and they can manoeuvre well, manoeuvrability. 

Yes. They go so fast and they can cover, they can cover a lot of distance and very manoeuvrable. Hmm. 

Yes, and they can stay within the atmosphere as. Well, while they're going, really. Fast, which has some strategic advantages for the military of. 

Yes. Now when when they actually when they tested that particular jet in order to get it to where it needed to be, they actually strapped it underneath the B52 bomber and then they flew the B52 bomber up as high as it could pose. There we go and then it released the scramjet, at which point the end is ignited and it's shot off. 

Yeah. Right. Well, apparently they're good for a a more efficient and cost effective way to reach orbit. So they're not always total on by another. 

That's how it happened. Yes. 

Craft because they use atmospheric oxygen rather than carrying heavy on board oxidizers like rockets. 

Hmm. Yes, they. So they suck it in the front and. 

So it reduces. 

Blow it out the back. Hmm. Hmm. 

Yes, you. You're sucking your blow and they're yeah, it makes it more accessible for scientific research and commercial missions. And they use it for research as well into aerodynamics and combustion. And what happens at extreme speeds. So that's that's very valuable in working out other technologies for aerospace and designing next generation spacecraft. 

Well, it's, that's what it's about. It's about this future high speed passenger travel as well. If you could go hypersonic or supersonic, or however Sonic that they wanna describe it in a scramjet, you could be in, you know, London from Sydney. 

Hmm. 

No time. I don't know exactly what the unit of measurement would be. Yeah. 

Well, New York, NY to Tokyo in under 2 hours. 

There you go. So that that well similar we could probably get over to the United States in maybe two to three hours. How does that sound? That sounds pretty good to me other than rather than 16, it's not a lot of time to get drunk on the plane, but I'd still give it a red hot go. 

Yeah, that. Good. Yeah, but then you don't have to fall asleep. 

Then you'd be sucking it in the front and blowing it out the back. Then I can tell you right there. 

You have to worry about going to sleep. So the one that broke the record that we're talking about was NASA's EX43A hypersonic research aircraft. So this one was more for the research side of. 

M. 

Things and it did set a new world record at the time. It was part of the Hyper X programme, which was demonstrating the viability of the scramjet technology for high speed flights. As you mentioned, it was lifted up by a Pegasus 52. 

Yeah, B50. Yeah, same. Thing. 

And then it hit the record breaking speed. 

Same deal. Named after the Flying Horse from Greek mythology. Pegasus. Yes. 

Providing valuable data, there were no people on board, and so we're talking about the the possibility of US flying across the world in a couple of hours. That's still a long way off because. The technology is not quite there. We're not quite there with the landings. Landings are a little bit bumpy. 

That's not. Yeah, you you also need some kind of inertial dampening system, a last Star Trek where even though you're going at huge velocity inside the cabin of the craft, it feels like you're basically in the comfort of your own home. 

Yes. 

Yes. 

Yes, because the force with the scramjet would crush you, yes, and then it heats. It generates a lot of heat and at the moment if you were. 

To. 

Inside a scram. You'd probably catch on fire, be like the fiery phoenix in battle of the planet. Yeah. Remember that that looked uncomfortable whenever it turned into the fire of Phoenix. There's a lot. 

Ohh G force. MMM. They really did. They, they, they trembled a lot and the speed lines and they sweated. 

Of sweat, they. 

Had. 

Really painful looks on their faces and. 

Yes, there's crazy anime noises where they just go. 

I thought that. 

Yeah. 

That doesn't look like a good time, and they're seconds off imploding, yeah. 

Yeah. 

So you can't go. 

While they're under pressure with the jet gum. 

In one, yes, yes. 

Like that? That sounded disgusting. I just sucked it in the front and blew it out the back. 

So yes, focusing on research, military and you know, maybe in the future at the moment, but that was quite the record 7000 mph. 

Yeah, you would be a great weekend project for the science fair. Building a scramjet in your backyard, wouldn't it? Some industrious kids probably already done it. All right, let's go over to more global affairs. 

Hmm. 

On the 18th of November when run. Jar officially, this was extraordinary news Cause USA wouldn't do this, but Russia did they no, Australia didn't either. We're talking about the Kyoto Protocol and Russia officially ratified the Kyoto Protocol on the 18th of November 2004. Now, Russia's ratification was particularly critical for the protocol. 

Nope, we didn't either. 

Come into force because it required participation from countries responsible for at least 55% of global emissions. People, countries that suck it in the front and blow it out the back. Russia's commitment brought the treaty over this threshold, which was wonderful. 

So a quick explainer on what the the protocol is it was originally signed in 97 and it set legally binding emission reduction targets for developed countries, requiring them to collectively cut emissions. 

Yes. 

By an average of 5% below what they were in 1990. So they had to. 

Yes, doesn't matter. Doesn't matter how much you suck in the front, you have to blow 5% less out the back. Yeah. Yes. Mm-hmm. 

Go lower, lower. 

Lower. 

Let's. Hold it in flinch. And I think the commitment period was up until 2012. So for Russia, the decision to ratify was influenced by both economic and geopolitical factors and by participating they could actually benefit from the emissions trading system, which was also established under it where countries. 

Yes. 

Below their targets could sell what was called carbon credits. To other countries who are struggling to meet theirs. 

That's very kind of them. Michael Majorov was the Russian Federation Council's Foreign Affairs Committee chief who was very heavily involved and very pleased with himself. 

A ratifying Kyoto Protocol. We get a very strong position in our negotiations with the European Union. On Kaliningrad transit on the situation where the Russian speaking minorities and Baltic states on all the economic issues which we still discuss with the European Union. 

Yes, great success. Great success for Russia. That ratification was seen as a diplomatic success for the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change, or UNF Trip. See and they celebrated it as a step forward in global cooperation on climate issues. 

But as he mentioned, there's always challenges when you're trying to get a whole bunch of people to sign up to something. You've got to coordinate and get them all to agree. No one ever agrees. There's always lots of track changes and comments. And per my last comment. 

Yes, there's always a, but he's in there. Yep. Yeah. 

The US chose not to ratify with. 

Yes, well, they cause George Bush was like, I don't want this to hurt industry and, you know, car manufacturing, all of those things. 

Yeah. Well, they would. Be a pretty heavy hitter as far as the blowing out the back. 

Not to mention the fact that some of these people probably helped to bankroll his election campaign. Like industry, I mean, which he just recently won. So it, you know, it's like, well, maybe there was some conversations. I'm just speculating behind the scenes saying you can't ratify this mate. We just put you back into power. 

Yes, interesting point. 

10 chains. 

Eventually. Yeah, well, the negotiations would have been happening in the lead up to the election. 

Yeah. 

Probably. So maybe that was part of the. 

Right. MMM. 

Wheeling and dealing, so they chose not to ratify, which limited the impact obviously like due to the size of the US and we refused to ratify it here in Australia until 2007 until Kevin O 7 committed to, well, he we didn't kind of ratify in the same way. I think we committed to an emissions target of limiting. 

Time in. 

Greenhouse gas increases 8% above 1990 level. So we just wrote our own rules. But you know I guess better. 

Yes. Yep. 

Nothing. 

Well, this is the thing with Kyoto Protocol. Like I think the document existed in track changes and somebody's probably gone ohh. Look, it's a it's a working document. 

Yeah. 

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 

It's not final, it's not underscore final, so you know there's still that. 

Rudy's probably gone and had a look cause he liked to micromanage everything. Oh, yeah, and just. 

Scope still in scope. 

Gone. Yeah. He tracked change in a different colour, too. He wouldn't track change in red. He'd have his own, like, personal hue so you'd know which which ones he track changed. 

Do you reckon? Maybe a like a centred ballpoint pen, perhaps? What are you going to? 

Yeah, maybe. 

Like. 

Bubble gum ears. Ears. 

Stop chewing your pencil anyway, sorry. 

Well, interesting though, so that we were looking at levels. What was it 1997? I think we like think back to the 90s. Yes, we could have met that target just by stopping using the Hairspray with the chlorofluorocarbons, remember them the CFC's. 

Hmm. 

The hole in those one layer and the McDonald's packets remember the Styrofoam McDonald's. I think if we just had stopped both of those, we would have met. 

The. Ones. Just did that. 

Kyoto targets. Easy, easy. 

Yeah. Well, let's see. We then we find other things like blokes get to middle age and they decide to smoke meat. You know, that's a that's a problem. I don't think it's that. 

Yeah. Yeah. OK. Much of a problem, so we had to do an evaluation at the end. We had to see where how do we go? We got to 2012 and the targets were partially met, partially met. So probably you see C minus. 

Yes. Depends on where you're from though. Depends on where. 

Mixed results. European Union full marks. They achieved their their targets primarily through investments in renewable energy, energy efficiency measures, policies promoting carbon trading schemes. 

You're from, yeah. 

I pass. 

Yeah. 

A lot of the countries within the EU reduce their emissions well beyond the required levels. 

Yes, and well, Russia did too. Russia did as well. They exceeded their targets largely due to the economic collapse of the 1990s. Their hands was quite was low. We're closing the factories down cause we can't afford to keep them open with that, which, you know, just of course, naturally led to reduced industrial activity and emissions. That's right. 

Yeah, tick. Ah, which reduced their. So they pulled a Bradbury. All to Bradbury, everyone fell over and they. Won the the industry fell over. 

Yeah. Well, from the inside out, yes, everything collapsed internally and there was nothing left to blow out the back. 

And that's OK. Well, you know. We we had an economic collapse, but we met, we met our Kyoto targets. Yes, Good Canada and Japan, Canada pulled DNF. They withdrew in 2020. Eleven. They did not finish, they're. 

Ohh really fell over. 

Hmm. 

Like, well, we could have made. It we. Quit just. 

They just forfeited. Yeah, they're like bottom of the ladder. So we're not. We're not even gonna show up. 

Left, we're not interested in this. Anymore. Economic economic concerns. We're gonna lay down Sally's economic concerns and the difficulty of meeting the targets. Without significant economic impact, they left it to the last minute. They were cramming the the year before. It was due and they realise. You know this is hopeless. 

Well, Japan really struggled after Fukushima. Yeah, that really ******** things up for them. So 2011, just before the deadline, Fukushima happened and they were Fukushima, they couldn't really do anything. Yes. And then Australia, I'm proud to say successfully met its target. 

Of course, yes, yes. 

Yeah. OK. Yes, successful. 

But we made our own. Target we go by the other target. 

Yes, but they met it well. They, that's why. 

Well, that's why we made our own, because that's what we could we could achieve. 

What am I going to talk about, emissions and all of that stuff? Do you remember? I loved. This one of the great things to happen out of the back of COVID that got blown out the back end of COVID Nah was the fact that industry kind of ground to a halt because everyone had to stay at home. And I think there were shots in some of the more populated or dense cities in India for example. 

Hmm. 

Ohh yeah, didn't the sky look different or something? Yeah, from space or something and you. 

Where there's well, the smoke haze was gone. No. Well, people could actually see blue sky there for a change. And I thought that was quite wonderful. Yeah. 

You're like ohh. 

Yeah. Yeah, that was nice. Just for a little while it. 

All changed, yes. And then COVID went away and everyone got better and decided we're gonna the planet again so. Away we go. List. Environmentally conscious is the world of. 

Sport and I usually hate sport. Umm, but this this particular incident in sport, it was thrilling. It was engaging. I was hooked for 6 minutes I watched 6 minutes of YouTube. It was great. 

Hmm. 

Yes. Yes, you would have. It was. It was very exciting, wasn't it? I loved it as well. I loved it also and it harked back to, like, Friday night Smack. 

Down does that make us bad? 

People smack down even on Friday night or Monday night, Raw or whatever it is. Does it make us bad people because we enjoy seeing a good brawl in sport? Absolutely not. Bring back the big even in basketball. 

Yes, yes. Like some fives, yes. Boss, that's the last place I'd expect. 

Even in basketball. 

A bit of a beef, to be honest, yes. 

Well. And no, there's a lot of egos. 

I expect a. 

Little shoving, but this was just 6 minutes of ohh. 

The NBA, the NBA. It was madness. Malice at the palace was a massive altercation between the Indiana Pacers and the Detroit Pistons, which escalated to the point where players were going into the crowd and fighting with fans. Here's some of the mayhem for you. 

The Patriot would played a very intelligent game tonight. And while it's his foul and Wallace did ohh. Right. Our test this has the totality serious that they don't get between while it's upset players trying to hold each other off. Stephen Jackson received Wallace trying to be peacemakers, not Jackson yelling. While it's still going, you need the coaches in there to get them away. Listen, Stephen Derrick Coleman, somebody should just with Jackson absolutely as possible. The problem is if Wallace, Suzy Jackson, I'm not sure he'd have to walk past the pacer bench to go now our test. Is just over the scores table and is trying to get down. To the bench. Our test is in the stands. Ohh this is awful. Fans are getting involved. Stephen Jacksons and the fans. Rasheed Wallace going into the stands, the security tying up somehow restore order. Fans and players are going out and the players trying to help each other out. 

So good. Can we just take a moment? Can we take a moment for the commentators? The commentators made that even more exciting than what it actually was. 

Incredible. They just kept going. They commentated as if it was still the game and it. 

It was. 

Started to sound like. 

Was a riot. 

It sounded like wrestling. They could put that on their LinkedIn and. 

I I agree, I agree. 

Get a job with the W. 

And all they needed to do was smash someone through the Spanish announcers. 

Right. 

Table would have been on. 

Well, the fact that he went over the table, they mentioned him going over the table and I thought this this isn't a wrestling story. It's strange. 

That's right. Yes, it was. It was extraordinary. It was extraordinary, especially with all of the emphasis that has been placed on security at public events in the United States since 2001. In 2004, we find this happening 45 seconds to go in the match and the Pacers are leading 9782. 

Yes. 

Yes. Hmm. 

And Ron? Our test commits a hard foul on Ben Wallace, and Wallace doesn't like it, and he shoves our test very hard to the point where he falls over, and then they start to throw down. So they they there's push comes to shove. 

Hmm. Hmm. 

With them and. 

It was it. It was just. Little pushes between them and then the coaches are sort of trying to, you know. 

Always a little bit. 

Separate and there's just a bit. 

There's a bit of a girly slap fight, wasn't it? It's like I push you, I push you back, I push you and push you back. 

Of like, yeah, just little push. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It wasn't anything. It wasn't anything. It's not like the fights you see. In origin, what's that? 

But it looked no, it's not a rugby league fight where people. 

Though no, no. 

And knock each others teeth out, but it escalates so their coaches get involved and the suits are coming in trying to break. It's like little guys in suits trying to break big tall guys up in basketball uniforms and the team coming off the bench, they sort of separated them. 

They calmed them down. They separated them. And then someone chucked something from one of the the crowd started throwing drinks, yes. 

Threw a drink and. 

Our fist and it hit him. 

And it hit him. And he just went. 

You mate because he knew who it was. 

Any. 

Yes. And he went up into the crowd and he flogged this guy. He belted him and then the crowd turned on our test and started fighting him. And then his teammates come in and try to help him, and then it just all hell broke loose. It was amazing. So good. It really devolved into this. Just horrible. 

It was amazing. It was just a massive brawl up in the stadium in the stands. 

All in brawl between players and fans. And as they were trying to mark the amount of drinks being thrown and as soon as. 

Umm. 

I'm sorry it was such a waste of food. I saw some really nice hot chips flying. In the air. And. I thought ohh gosh. 

Yes, shout out, shout. That's where I am. 

That's. 

The way you know how expensive the food is at those games too, that would would have been like 10 bucks worth of chips. 

Oh yeah, yeah. 

Well, shout out to my mate John, who's currently working with the Indiana Pacers. He's on the road with them. It's no. Well, I'm gonna message him and just say hey. 

Oh, I wonder what these. Ohh. So yeah. 

Just remember, just in memory of the thing say g'day to the players for us, I mean, none of them would be playing now, of course. 

Yes. 

But they they they took him back to the locker room and and. 

They're the paces, they moved them and but they had to go through. What do they call it? The tunnel, the tunnel thing. Where you walk. 

Was it not the Pacers home stadium? No, it wasn't. It was the other one, the the the the Pistons, Detroit. So they're in Detroit? Yeah, I wouldn't mess with people from Detroit. 

Was the other one. 

Pistol. Yes. 

Well, yeah, that's a good point. So they're walking them through what? What you call the tunnel, but just basically out to where the locker rooms are. And so all the crowd merged, all the crowd merged to the to the side and started throwing things. Yeah, it was raining hot chips and coke and Mountain Dew and. 

Yeah. 

But that ended up being a a focal point, yes. And it just rained liquor and popcorn and chips and. Pies. And God knows what else. Hot dogs? It does really. That's a really good party. I would have taken a big tray or a bucket and. 

That sounds amazing. Just quietly. 

Try to. Catch some free food. Yeah, but they had to stop the game obviously as well, but as soon as all that gets on the court, they've gotta clean it like it's not safe for them to play. I mean, it wasn't safe for them to play anyway, so they actually stopped the game. 

Yeah. I think the funniest bit was they got to the they got to the locker room. This was reported like a few months later and Ron Artest. 

I called it. 

Hmm. 

Sits down and looks. Around at the other players and go. Hmm. Do you think we get in trouble for this? 

Ohh. 

Yes, got in trouble. He was suspended for the rest of the season for 73 games, the longest suspension for an on court incident in NBA history. So yeah, a little bit of trouble, Ron. 

Got in big trouble. 

Yeah. 

That's a lot of basketballs the opening played. And I I I honestly think if he didn't go in and if he just had a copped it sweet and taken the drink from the fan and just went about his business, it probably would have been fine. But I think because he actually assaulted a fan, it just that's a massive line that was crossed there. So Stephen Jackson received a 30 game suspension. Jermaine O'Neal was initially suspended for 25. 

Yes, yes. 

Rainsford, he got a redux. Due to good behaviour. 15 Games on Appeal and Ben Wallace Ben Wallace, who was the one who was shoved. Yeah, he was suspended for six games, but it didn't go that like, it's it. It wasn't just left on the court or within the realms of the actual sport itself. They actually there was legal consequences because fans were involved of assault and battery. 

He said sorry. Wrote a letter. So that's the one in the original pushy shovey bit, yeah. 

Hmm. 

And five of the Pacers players were charged and five of the fans who were fighting with the Pacers players also charged. I think a lot of them, they got a bit of a slap on the wrist. It was just probation and community service that would have been great if they had to come on the court in like ankle bracelets or something the next game. But the NBA really were like, ohh, we've got to do something about this. So and you. I mean, when you look at NBA games and basketball like, people are sitting right at the side of the. 

Hmm. 

Yes, you can't have this. Yeah, yeah, you need that control over the crowd. 

You know, it's. Yeah, I'd be so scared of being hit in the face with the ball the entire time. And you see footage of people at NBA games where they're on their. 

Yeah. So would I. 

Line and then and they completely oblivious and the ball comes along and just takes about in slow motion. It looks wonderful because their faces can tort and the shock and it's wonderful. It's really. 

Great. I was reading the comments after watching the six minutes. It's just amazing go. And watch it. I highly recommend. 

Yeah, it really it's just go on to YouTube and look for malice at the palace. 

And then read the comments, because there were people that that not necessarily there, but were watching it live, including David Mitnick. 

Huh. 

868. 

Yes. 

Remembers it well, he said. I remember watching this live at a doughnut shop stoned out of my mind with my best friend. All of a sudden out of the corner of my eye, I see what looks like a giant riot erupt during a televised basketball game. We were mesmerised and laughing hysterically. The old Cambodian guy that owned the shop burst out laughing too. We walked back to my friend's house laughing the whole time. I miss being young. 

Yeah, man. Me too. 

Thanks, David. Nick, 868, I miss being young also. 

Hi. 

The kindred spirit, that guy, I think we all missed that. Let's do music though. Music. Let's go straight to the Billboard charts in the United States of America, where basketball is not basketball anymore, it's smackdown. 

Yes. 

Bye. 

So. 3. 

The pimps in the crib. Drop it like it's hard. Drop it like it's hard. Drop it like it's hard to try to get it. You like it like it's hard. Rock it like it's hard. 

Russia still number one with Alicia Keys, my Boo. 

Ohh man, he has had a good year in 2004, hasn't he? He's just basically been on the top of the charts for the entire time. 

Is that a very big year? Hasn't he so much money do you reckon he made? Millions, probably billions. 

He probably had. 

To split it with a whole bunch of people, though, I mean he he's not a self made guy. A lot of people that helped put him there. I mean, he's got the talent, right? But you know, he's. 

Hmm. 

It would have made a. Lot of money would have bought a few cars. 

Had. 

A lot of help, that's all I'm. 

Saying but like it's hot #2 at least my breath #3 over and over. #4 and goodies in #5. What was the instruments? What was the instrument? 

Goodies hanging in by a thread. 

Again, which? One in the goodie I'm not allowed. 

The theremin. 

That is that that's right. 

Theremin. 

Remember, we were gonna do a montage of all the 2000 songs that used that instrument, but we forgot. So we're not gonna do that. Maybe another time. 

Yeah. Listen people, we work full time. This is a hobby and it takes a significant amount of time to pull it together. I. 

I know but it. 

Would be good content. It'd be good content because I feel like there's probably about 20 songs in the end of the 2000s that use. 

I also. 

That. Instrument. Can you buy that instrument? Yeah. 

Yeah, but we keep the theremin. Ohh. 

Yeah. Is it an expensive instrument? 

I think it probably is. 

Is it? It's like a niche, so it's not like a recorder that you can. 

Yeah. 

It's really teaching physics. Yeah. And it's all about technique because, well, it's like an antenna with a box and a speaker on it. And you gotta gotta wave your hands around the antenna like you're casting a spell. 

Get for like. What does it look like? Ohh so you don't put anything in your mouth. I thought you had something in your mouth. I thought you like blue into something. They're not blowing into anything. 

No. 

I've been if you tried to blow into a therm and you get electrocuted, I'm not sure. 

So yeah, it's like a DJ thing. So effectively a DJ, it's a DJ. 

With yeah, this is the one that goes way. Ohh like that thing right? I. 

I. Thought we weren't allowed to do that. 

Know, but I'm just. 

How come you were? 

Allowed to do it. I'm allowed to do it. 

Because I drank a lot of beer last time we podcasted and I actually have no recollection of the conversation. 

I got in trouble for doing that noise. Do you? Don't remember? Would let me do it again. 

No, I think I've done. I've done enough and it's. 

So it's you use your ohh OK. 

And wave your hands like you're waving a spell. Yeah. 

I can see why that would be expensive. 

Yes, you. 

That does feel expensive. Ohh, I was thinking it was like a recorder. I thought you blew into something with a little chord in it. 

About that, yeah. No, no, no, there's. I don't think there's a Reed or a mouthpiece. On there. 

Or even like something like the Wawa thing that Bon Jovi does. 

That would be good, though, if you're doing work experience in a in a music shop and there was a theremin there, I'd totally make you blow into it. You just go and blow into that thing where? Ohh, we'll find a. 

The Apprentice. 

Place. 

So yeah, that was the chance. That was the chance, and we might bring you a. 

Sure it was. 

A. What was it? 

A theremin. I know it sounds like a medical instrument, doesn't it? 

A theremin. I can't trying to say pheromone pheromone well might bring you a ceremony. Mega mix not not next week. Cause we've prepped that content and I didn't put it in that, but maybe the week after. 

Yes, I. 

I mean. 

Well, don't don't prompt. Make promises that we can't beat. It does sound like a A. A medical doesn't theremin, you know, like. Yeah. 

Well, maybe the week after, I said. Maybe. 

I use maybe? 

Yeah, it does. It does. Or a hormone. 

Forceps. Scalpel. Theremin. Woo. Ohh. No. Sorry. He's going off the charts. I don't know what's going on. 

Ohh OK, let's go to the Australian charts. What was #1? 

Sure. Ohh. This one by Gwen. 

Yes. I. 

What a song that was a banger. It's a great song, great film clip which I only realised when I watched the extended version. I was able to understand the full extent of the story. It was about writer's block, wasn't it? 

Love that song great karaoke song as well. I finally get it. I finally get it. Yes, it it. Yes, it makes sense now. Never made sense. 

Yes. And then she was. She was drugged in order to write the song. Yes. Yes. So what you're waiting for by Gwen Stefani? This is her debut solo single. She broken away. 

Before I thought that's. Yeah, yeah, very touchy. Ohh, that's when she first went solo. Yeah, of course. 

Broken away from no doubt and released this on the 4th of October. The lead track from her album Love Angel Music Baby, which is. Written by Linda Perry of four non blondes fame of your beautiful Christina Aguilera fames. 

For. Ohh she was. I was gonna say she was just the writer of early 2000, she wrote. 

A great. 

A lot of pink. Songs as well. 

She's a great songwriter, Linda Perry, very talented human being, has propped up a lot of artists. Yes, including Gwen Stefani. 

Yeah, like her, like her. 

Hmm. 

The song does delve into her experiences with writers block and the pressures of embarking on a solo career. After her success, no. Doubt cause a lot of. People were ****** *** that she left, no. Doubt and went solo. 

Yeah. Well, I mean, she was kind of what? 

You can't do that. You left the band. Have you done? 

She was the main event. She was the face of no doubt. 

But people still weren't happy, I remember. 

Dot. 

Well, no. I mean I like this because and I like it because she has broken away from no doubt and she's experimenting with like, electronic music and stuff now, and she's doing more pop and no doubt we're always trying to pop, but they're very much rooted in in scar. 

Hmm. 

Fancy. Yeah. Yeah. So it showed off her versatility, but I did watch the American Music Awards, and I watched her perform this song there. I wasn't impressed. 

Yes. Ohh, she tanked, did she? 

I wasn't impressed, I think, because. She when she's dancing around, she's wearing really high shoes. She can't kind of do the same sort of vocals and she was putting on this other kind of voice and it was just, I don't know, didn't like it. 

It's too busy concentrating on balancing. Hmm, lot of pressure. Lot of pressure. On it think. 

I still like her and I still like this song. Let me say that. 

Yes. Well, I I love the music video. I love the the Alice's adventures in Wonderland, the connection to the video, and that whole surreal, whimsical kind of stuff that they did. And it's all it was all about. Her self discovery and branching out and being on. It was send a very powerful message that she was on her own. 

But I just wasn't impressed at that particular. Yeah, it's very clever. 

Yeah. 

Hmm. 

And going solo. So I wonder maybe what the dudes had no doubt thought of when they saw that they would have been like, yeah, good for you. Well, yeah, because, you know, we're just. I mean, nobody cares about us. 

Great. Thanks. What are we gonna do today? Yeah. This is like just an insinkerator there. 

I wonder how many people could name the other members of no doubt. For example, take some really ******** fans to do that. 

Yeah, not me. And it was where we were first introduced to the Harajuku girls because she referenced them and I think they were in the end of the video clip, remember, sitting on the stage and and clapping. 

Yeah. 

Ohh yes. Yes. 

For. 

Damn, they've got some wicked style. Hmm, but. 

Her. And yeah, yeah, don't we? Aren't we annoyed at her now because of that? Haven't we accused her of cultural appropriation? I feel like. 

1. 

Ohh really? That's ridiculous. 

We have. In the last few years, I feel like we've all gotten angry with her. For what did she ohh? She wore a she wore a bindi at one stage. We didn't like that and yeah, she's been accused of a lot of things. 

No peace off. Come on. Trying to express yourself, find yourself, maybe even I do too. I don't mind it. 

Yeah, I like them. Now look, we will circle back to album, so don't. Start reading that bit. 

All right. 

Because I'm not ready for that yet, let's go to the Music Awards, where I saw her perform it and wasn't overly impressed. 

OK. 

Hmm. 

It was the 30. Second annual American Music Awards on the 14th of November at the Shrine Auditorium in. Play hosted by Jimmy Kimmel, Great celebrating achievements in the music. Industry across various. 

Yes, sounds like a rally of the Hollywood Illuminati, doesn't it? Yes. 

Yes. Who? Who do you think won? Male artist. 

Ohh well, I think it's pretty obvious, isn't it? I said he had a good year before usher. It would have been all about usher Usher. 

Sure. 

Yes, favourite female artist. This was a little. Bit unexpected Sheryl Crow. 

And came out of left field. What did she do? She didn't do much in the early 2000s, charts wise. 

Who was she? Who? Was she dating? Uh? 

Lance Armstrong. Hmm. And well, he had yet to fall from grace to me. Or did he hang on? Didn't we talk about that? I can't remember. Like I said, I drink a. 

Yeah, maybe that's why. Yeah, maybe. No, no, no. That was no. The Livestrong band came, that came out and we were doubting him at this stage. But we had no proof. It was just starting to doubt. We're starting to go this bit sauce. So we still didn't. We didn't hate him at this point. Band group duo Outcast. 

Lot of. Beer uh, that was the yes, OK. Yeah. No, that's right. 

Yeah, yeah. 

Yes. Deservedly so, great great duo Bake banned duo or group is a very becomes a very broad category, doesn't it? 

Fair enough. Yep. Yeah. Yes, that's good. Usher one, actually. The ushers in this list a lot. That's just Usher's favourite album, favourite male artist. 

Did you break that out? IA dominance. 

Yes. 

Ohh, another favourite album. Ohh 1-2 favourite albums. Who else? Alicia Keys one a few Toby Key 3 by McIntyre Little Country. 

Yeah. Yeah. 

Yeah, there are other country ones, other country ones. But I think the most memorable thing to come out of. 

Hmm. 

The American Music Awards. 

The 32nd annual American Music, Yes, Yes. 

The 32nd annual AMA's was a ANS Anna Nicole Smith who was. 

Ohh that. Big. 

But God rest her soul. I mean, the woman needed help and she never got it. But she was wildly intoxicated on God knows what. When she came out on stage to introduce Kanye West. 

Yes, yes. 

Like my body. I was honoured to be on our next performers new video. And if I ever record an album I want this guy to produce my make me beautiful duets. Because he's freaking Jesus. 

Make some noise. 

I don't think it's very appropriate that a southern belle calls a black rapper my boy, but I think that, you know. 

Our amendments. Ah. 

Her intoxication probably eclipsed. 

That that clip has been played a lot over the years, but then I think about when we went to the radio awards, imagine if you or I had to give an award with all the wine that you drink that's free on the table. 

The actual words. 

Alright. 

We would have been way worse than that. 

I let he who has committed no sin throw the first stone. We've all been there. 

Could you imagine what your introduction would have? Bet you wouldn't have been mailed? Read the auto. 

Queue. No. Yeah, we've. 

Been going too fast, can you? Rewind that I can't see. Those words, yes, remain. 

Yeah. So, I mean, I think she held it together remarkably well. It's not like she she didn't chumbo and she didn't wet herself. So I think that's a win. 

She's still few. 

She got through it well. 

Actually. 

Album releases, we have Destiny's Child's final studio album. We've kind of touched on this already. Destiny fulfilled with obviously the single lose my breath that is in the top five. At the moment it's. Debuts at #2 on the Billboard 200 chart. It's earns multi platinum certifications as anything with Beyoncé. 

Yeah, whatever. 

Involved does across several countries. 

Yeah. 

Well done. Thanks. Next. 

Next. 

Thank you. Next, OK. Right. It's been a while between thingies. 

Ohh, we're having a yeah. 

Grabbing a Chingy Chingy has returned with his new album, Powerballin. 

Uh-huh. Powerballin right. Hmm. 

Powerball and there's no G on the end. Powerball and wonder if that is a homage to the Thursday night Lotto draw. Power. That's when you get the Powerball, Powerball and we would be Powerball. 

Powerball, the. Well, if we won mass, yes. Yes, I've got my resignation letter drafted up ready to go. 

And wouldn't we? 

Have you? 

Yeah. 

Hmm. 

I don't know, actually. I don't know if I would resign. If I won power. 

You can't, because people would know. 

Hmm. Ohh they'll they'll still know. 

You know, you'd have to. You'd have. 

Gee whiz joes. Really doesn't give it anymore, does he? No, mate, no I don't. 

Why is he wearing those bejewelled Crocs? Exactly. Yeah, your tastes would just go out the window and you just buy all kinds of crap. I can just imagine. 

Exactly. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, not that Powerball. Yes. 

No different Powerball featuring the single Bola baby. 

The nation. 

Of a baller. 

That's me, CHING, let me explain it to you. 

Baby, baby, shy ain't nobody. 

Doesn't seem to have done anything musically. That I would consider him to be stretching himself where I would consider his stretching. No, I don't think he's grown musically. I think he's just done. 

There's no that you don't see any. Signs of growth. He's BA Ewing it. Yeah. Yes, that's his second studio album, which was released November 16 through Capital Records and his own label slot ALOT. 

Second verse, same as the first. Yeah. 

Yeah. 

Slot a lot like. The slot machines. 

Yes, Powerball and and Chingy is meant to mean money. Is it? Yes. So he likes the money thing, doesn't he love a lot. 

He does. He does. He does like the money. He also likes Mother Goose as we've established. 

Yes, the album entered the Billboard 200 at #172. 

Hmm. 

Which? 

Probably was a little bit disappointing. For him, because his first album. Jackpot did really well and yeah. He had a lot of top five singles soft. 

Hmm, where you can't win them all. That's the thing with gambling. And he seems to be focused on gambling. He's got slot a lot. Jackpot. Powerball. And like, what's next? 

Jackpots. 

Bingo. Bingo. Yeah, that's the only way to go from. There, isn't it, yeah. 

Draught Kings draught kings. You know, that's kind. 

Of good it did climb to number 10, though on the album charts a few weeks later sold another 120,000 copies. Next reviews, and I think the general vibe was. 

It's good for him. Well, that's nothing to sneeze at, it's. Yeah. 

Sounds like you're trying to replicate jackpot. Not quite there. 

Jackpot. Well, that's what I said. There's no gross. There's no gross there. 

That's not what's important, though. I think the important question here is, will it still nursery rhyme? 

No. 

Yeah. 

Well. I I'm gonna say absolutely it's gonna still nursery rhyme because he's done all to expand his repertoire and. 

I was on a website today. 

Hmm. 

I was on Chingy facts for kids. What's? That's what I think. It's like a sub site of a like. I don't know Britannica for kids or something. There's a page and. 

You can't. 

Called Chingy facts for kids about Chingy the whole page Chingy facts for kids. 

Really. What are you really gambling, kids? 

And it's not just the critics who accuse him of being nursery rhyme on Chingy facts for kids. There's an overview section, so it starts with an overview and then it goes into his albums and releases over the years on Chingy facts for kids. But it starts with the general synopsis of who Chingy is, what his real name is, where he was born, you know, just the general. 

Well, the kids do too. Uh-huh. 

General facts on Chingy and in the the general facts on Chingy facts for kids it says Chingy specialised past tense. In catchy club friendly beats and simplistic lyrics that delivered in a sing song, nursery rhyme style. 

Done course correct. 

Even Chingy facts for. Kids says nursery rhyme so it must nursery rhyme. So I think we need to test this out. 

The Internet doesn't lie, of course it will. Absolutely. That out goes. 

Yeah, that's good. That's good. 

We are about to nursery rhyme. Chingling Old MacDonald had a farm E i.e. IO, and on that farm he had some dust E i.e. I/O with us. 5 little ducks went out one day over the hill and far away. Mother Duck said quack, quack, quack. 

Only four little ducks came. 

Back low. Do you swing them to a foe? Can you tie them in a knot? Can you tie them in a bow? 

Salo went to see, see. See. To see what he could see. See. 

See, but all that. 

He could see. See see with the bottom of the deep. 

Blue. See see. 

CC, I think that proves it. Let's go to the box office. That was amazing. We've really missed our true calling in. Life. 

I think so, I think so. 

We're available for kids parties. 

We're happy to know Sue ramen, anything, anything that you like or guest writers for on Chingy facts for kids, but also maybe. 

Yeah. What? Maybe. That's right. 

Do a bit. 

Of that freelance. 

Within reason, within reason and Speaking of reason number one at the Australian Box office is Bridget Jones. The edge of reason. 

Renee Zellweger, Hugh Grant, Colin. 

Firth. That was a very important question. I wanted to ask you, despite events and circumstances and perhaps. Richard Anderson. 

Darcy, though you've been dumped. 

This holiday. Season you step outside. 

No, no it's not. 

Possible there's nothing like lie to send you coming with me over the edge. Bridget Jones. The edge of reason. 

He must still love me. Are you going in? Clever boy. 

Matter. It's not about looks. 

I'd never want to see. 

That the sequel to the 2001 hit film Bridget Jones's diary, based on Helen Fielding's novels and obviously stars Renee Zellweger reprising her role as the. Lovable and quirky Bridget. Colin Firth as Mark Darcy, Hugh Grant as Daniel Cleaver. They it follows her life after she finally starts dating her long time crush Mark Darcy, but she struggles with insecurities, misunderstandings and. Complicated history with Cleaver. 

Clever. Yes. Yes. I can't think of anything more. Vanilla. 

And this was and we. 

Only missionary for us. 

We've we've touched on this before and this was particularly the first film where they were so concerned with her weight and how much she weighed, and they even I think they put her weight up on the screen and she wasn't actually overweight and there was this big deal and she was chubby and this and that. And it was it didn't do well for body image. 

Yeah. 

Oh yeah, yeah. Ah. 9. 

In the early 2000s. 

So Renee Zellweger had a weigh in for Bridget. Jones, how does? That work, it's not the UFC, it's a movie. 

No, I think that they did display. Her ways in the mood. I've never. 

Ohh in the. Film. Yes, I think you're right. I think you're right. And I think we discussed that as well, but our. 

Watched. I've never watched the. Film and then and then everyone was saying to her in the interviews, how did you go about putting on weight? How did you feel? And you know, the things that they never asked the guys? They only asked the girls. And then I think in this when she had to lose weight. 

Yes. 

Cause. Didn't she go to gaol when she got arrested? 

Ohh something I don't know. Maybe that was in the third one. I'm. Not even sure. 

But no, it's here. It's in the notes. I haven't seen it. And I wanna pretend that I I. 

I'm being an old wowser. Hang on. I'm gonna reach into you. Have you got a? Have you got a worthers or anything in your in your handbag that I can. I just want to suck on that while you. 

Don't wanna pretend that I know. I've got a worthers, just one of those strawberry ones. Maybe Mentos at a Thai prison she went to for unwittingly carrying drugs. 

Finished the rest of this segment. 

Ohh. 

Oh, that's a death penalty. Over there. 

And, well, no, she didn't. Yes, because there was. 

It is right? 

Another movie after it. 

So far low and chambers, yes, I do. It's a death penalty entirely. 

Oh, remember that. That was. Yeah, I remember. I'm talking to the neighbours down the road about that. That was big news in in the street for. 

Yes. 

Barlow and changes. In the 80s, yes. Well, Bridget Jones got away with it there did she? Did she not? 

Good week. Yeah, we all have. Views on that, all the families she got away with it because there was another one after she had a baby. Bridget Jones's baby. Remember Bridget Jones, baby. But I don't know what else happened. She went out with one and then maybe the other one. 

God, babe. 

Then. Critics hated it 20. 6% but the audience thought it's alright. 

I didn't mind. It they were fans, they yeah, they were fans. Look over in Australia. No, that's that was Australia over in the USA. Well the the ohh so that was a release. Well, the bridge Jones was #1 wasn't it? 

70%. That was Australia, we. Had a release. This was just a. Release not a number one. Bridget Jones number on Australia, Incredibles in the US, which we're talking about, which we're talking about, which we've spoken about. 

Yes, right. Good. OK. Yes, that we've been talking about, we've been talking about. 

The movie, but yes. So this was a movie. Released this week, it's not it's not number one. I don't know. It might become number one later on. 

Yep. 

But it was a very, very big release. 

I doubt it. 

Well, it was a very, very popular show. Get ready. 

On the 19th of November. 

Let's get it. 

On for big adventure? 

Ohh boy. 

How you doing? 

Big. 

Trouble. 

Things have gotten a lot worse since you. Left, Higgins turned everyone we know into slaves, even. Gary. Ohh my gosh, that did you have a moustache? 

Big twists. So do you. 

oh 

Big action. And big surprises when Sponge meets world. 

Who are? 

You. I'm David hassel. 

For the very first time. The SpongeBob SquarePants movie. 

Have you seen this film? 

Ohh, that's right, the Hoff isn't it? No, I haven't. I I have. I don't like SpongeBob SquarePants. 

I've I've seen it, but I've seen it in intervals or increments and and and my it's just been. 

Heavy. What you started watching you? Came back, been. It's just been in the background in places. That you've been. 

Exactly. It's been on in places that I've been. 

Was it on the plane? Maybe. 

Maybe on a plane, maybe it was a telly movie. Maybe I saw my son watching some of I. I do not like green eggs and ham. No, but I've just somehow managed to piece it all together and and as a result of those combined experiences, I've seen the film. 

On a train, maybe in a boat maybe. With a goat. 

Ohh good, that's good. 

You know the movie. What was? What did? Was Hasselhoff any good? What did he do in it? Did you do anything? 

It was good. King Neptune accuses Mr Crabs of stealing his crown, which was taken by Plankton as part of his scheme to get control over the crust. 

Oh wow. 

Crab and then sponge sponge Bob and Patrick set out on a dangerous journey to Shell City to retrieve the crown and clear Mr Crabs name. Hmm. And then they encounter all these obstacles and they actually end up. Yes, riding on David Hasselhoff in the ocean. It's very strange. Very strange. 68 from the critics and 78% from the audience. So much better film than Bridget Jones, though. 

Thrilling. 

Are they riding? 

SpongeBob was very big early 2000s, with particularly with dudes in their early 20s. 

Assistance. Wasn't it? 

A guy I worked. He had the. Song, you know that lives in the whatever under the sea. I was gonna say he lives in a tree house under the sea. But that doesn't. 

Pineapple under the sea and that's pineapple under the sea. Very, very iconic song. 

Make sense at all, does it? He he had. It on his iPod, iPod. I think it was an iPod classic, and whenever we'd go on work trips, he'd plug his iPod classic into the work van and he'd play this. 

Really. Yeah. Play the song. 

Once you played the song and sing along he thought was great. Loved it. Everyone else in the van loved it too and I just sat there going. I don't get it. 

Yes. 

Grow up, mate. Honestly. 

I think because I liked I was Ren and Stimpy all the way, and I just felt like this was a try hard. Ren and Stimpy that. 

Hmm. 

Was nowhere near as edgy. 

Yeah, it's a Nickelodeon's next generation and Nickelodeon stuff and ran and Stimpy with the OG's, Red and Stimpy with the OG and then Rugrats, Rugrats and SpongeBob and everything came out. Well, you know Corey Taylor from Slipknot, he plays the SpongeBob. 

It was like running sippy for babies. Ren and Stimpy lights. Yeah, yeah. 

Theme song at his solo shows and the fans. They love it. 

Ohh, that's right. Yes. Wasn't someone famous. One of the voices too. There's someone famous. 

They love it. Yeah. Yeah, it was the guy that was in. He's spending the the Penguins series at the moment. I can't remember his name. He was also in the film, The Highlander. No, it wasn't Colin Farrell. It was the dude that played Kurgan in Highlander, and his name escapes me Highlander first for Lambert. It's a wonderful movie. There can be only one Sean Connery. No, there is. I think there might be some horses in it. 

Sunshine. 

Now Colin Farrell. What time does it have a? Horse. Is there a horse? Is there a horse in it? 

But basically, these people live forever and the only way you can kill them is to cut. Head off highland. 

No, that's not what I'm thinking I was thinking. 

Great film. It's a great movie. Let's move to TV 23rd of November. He's a leader, an American reality television series that had ground to a halt. It it was, it ended. It ended. And here's a sample of what you would be getting into if you so decided to before now or before the 23rd of November 2004, at the very least, watch teaser. 

Of someone on the horse. Yes. The end. 

80. 

Tonight, 11 red blooded sports loving men have come to battle for the title of All American man. But what they don't know is that to win the quarter of $1,000,000 prize, they'll be separated from their wives and girlfriends and forced to go where few men have gone before in order to win the game. These macho men are going to have to play it. Like a lady now these real men get to experience a whole new way of life if they're. 

Oh my God. 

Enough. 

Does this make my **** look big? 

Whether living in a giant dollhouse, we're strutting their stuff in public. It's a cutthroat competition. Every high heeled step of the. 

Way about to win it to 2nd place doesn't cash at the. 

Bank, but it doesn't take long before the gloves come off. 

About you, there's there's a real, real part to this thing. And then. There's a real. 

Bull fake part of this thing. 

And look. OHS come out? 

I don't think he has much right to. 

Be on this planet, such lack of. 

Depth around here. You could have found a little better to tell us that we're idiots for falling for. That's pretty much what you can. Wait. 

I didn't say you're idiots, but you're taking us. 

Tell on that like. 

And under the pressure, the guys demonstrate some unladylike behaviour. 

I don't follow. Went shopping, Brian. He he started drinking a little bit and that little bit turned into a lot. 

Yeah. Yeah. You like that? I know you do, America. 

No, they didn't cause the series ended. 

Well, what? What did they think? They were competing for all American mayor. 

Well, I don't know the best man in America or something, something to that effect. So yeah. 

All American men. What kind of person would audition for a show called? You're gonna be like the all American man. Let's have a sense about that for a moment. Yeah. Think about that demographic. 

Well, that's that's the beauty of it. Is it right? That's the the. And that's the thing. Because they twist it cause they're like you're the alpha dog. But we're gonna make you live like a woman. That's the premise for this show. And and in the cheap section. 

Yeah. 

Yeah. 

Yeah, shocking. 

Of the reality TV graveyard in a very shallow grave lies. He's a lady. 

Hmm. 

Umm do you think we'd be getting away with that now? 

I don't know probably where I I looked. I'm nothing would surprise me as to the depths that people would Plumb to get a show out there. I mean, we've got maths and that is utter so. 

I think the. Whole concept of dressing up, but I wonder. I guess they had to dress as women. I wonder. Like, I wonder if we can. 

This is a bit more innocent. Ohh cause they had to dress as women, right? They didn't just live like them. 

Would get a I don't know if that would be appropriate now. 

Oops. Ohh so they gave him the full makeover. 

They gave them makeovers and they had to live as women for the duration of the series. 

Right. So they were in drag. They were crossdressing. Yes, yes. 

In effect, yes. So I don't know and I think they had to go back to their families dressed as I don't know how they explained it. 

Yes. 

Well, it's amazing what Americans will do for money, though, cause you weigh 250 grand in front of people. You get them, do whatever you want over there. And this is what happens. This is how you get your. 

They also. 

Joe. 

Well, when you. 

Listen to that trailer. Though they all sounded pretty happy to comply. I don't know if I was going for all American man and then was told that I had to live like a woman. 

That's not what I signed up for. 

I think I'd be like, no, I'm out. I'm out. I'm I'm. I'm the all American man. I'm not the all American woman. I don't. I don't wanna be in this show anymore. They all seem to comply. 

I'm an all American man. This is not what I. Signed up for. But then they'd be like you could win $250,000 and you might complain, yes. 

Well, yeah and. You could be famous, so it might have been, I wonder. If it was a little bit script. 

No, I don't think you're that stupid. 

To be honest, so each week they face challenges. Do you designed to immerse them in aspects of womanhood and like, are they describe it, they try to be. Like, no, we weren't doing drag. It's nothing offensive. We want them to understand the aspects of womanhood, right? We want to give them the insights into the experiences of women. So they're trying to make it sound more highbrow than what it is. So they had to do modelling and walk in heels. They had to plan a wedding cause. That's what all women do. Organise a bridal shower and serve as bridesmaids. 

Yeah. 

Umm. 

I don't think. 

That's fair household tasks, because obviously women's work engaging in activities, engaging in women's work traditionally associated with women and household tasks. 

Really. Wow. Wow. Wow, you know what they should have done? They should, you know, you seen those things where they hook blokes up to 10s machines to simulate contractions and childbirth. 

Goodness me. 

Keep giving birth? Yes. Getting woken up by a screaming child all hours having a period going through menopause. 

Oh, what's that, Ohta? What's that? Yeah, exactly. You see the blokes getting embarrassed and having to leave the party with their jacket wrapped around their waist. Nerd time. There's no all American men here. 

No. 

Well, simulated there might be. Like they're big men online gamers. 

I was gonna say. 

Maybe in their names Big Route 69. 

Yeah, yeah. Big Route 69. 

I'm sure there's someone called that I don't know. This first thing popped into my head. 

Wow, OK. 

Metal Gear Solid 3. Did you have this on snake? See, snaking. Did you have? 

Ohh God. 

This one I. 

Did I? 

Love the Metal Gear Solid franchise? It's really great, yeah. 

Did you like it? What's it about? Is it war? Is. 

It war. Yeah. You're you're solid snake. That's that's your character. Solid snake. And you've gotta find the big. 

Yes. 

Boss, and you've gotta kill the big boss because. 

Are you rugged? 

You are rugged. 

Or do you get to choose what? You look like. 

You are rugged. Do you ever listen to how rugged, solid snake? Is. 

I've been waiting snake for a long time, waiting for your birth. Your growth. And the finality of today. 

Boss, why are you doing this? 

Why to make the world one again? 

To put it simply, in order to avoid a full scale nuclear conflict, we have to prove that America was not involved in that explosion. 

And eliminating the boss ourselves will prove America's innocence. 

You are the only one capable of pulling this off. You were her last apprentice. 

I'm not a hired killer. 

Yeah, he's not a high killer. That's David Hayter, the voice of solid snake. It's such a great video game, but iconic voiceover for video games and the voice acting. And it was just so. 

Hmm. 

Detailed and deep in this, so much, so much dialogue. Yeah, it is practically a 12 hour or however long it takes to play movie. It's big, it's big, but it's good. It's set. 

Sounded like a movie. 

During the cold. War. It was on the PlayStation two. This game in the 60s where you assume ohh this is naked snake, not solid snake. Different iterations of Snake's special Forces operative tasked with rescuing Russian scientists and thwarting a nuclear threat was wonderful stealth. 

Wow. 

Mechanics, much like the other two Metal Gear Solid games you had the stealth mechanics where you had to sneak around navigating through the jungle and evading the enemies and using camouflage to be undetected. You could hide in a box. That was my favourite thing. You'd hide in a box. 

Did you get? Could you find the first aid things? Did you get a first box of Little Cross on it to make you better? 

Yeah, there was. I think you could pick up one of those as well, but I liked hiding in the box and be like you. I'm over here hiding in the box. Ohh, you're dead. It was great survival as well. You had to manage your stamina by hunting animals and foraging for food. That was a new mechanic and you had to actually treat your injuries. So not only did you get the first ache, but you'd have to bandage yourself up. Yes, you have to. 

Yeah. 

You'd have to do it. 

Them and then you'd have all the close quarters combat or CQC as they like to call it in in it's in the vernacular of video games where you'd have hand to hand combat and you could take people down and disarm. Them and all. 

Of that sort. 

Of stuff. It was good. It was very well acclaimed like the the best thing about Metal Gear Solid is even on the PlayStation one. It was a very ambitious. Title and was very innovative. And they just continued as the technology got better to make these games better, so much so that every time a Metal Gear Solid title comes out on a a new generation console, I'm like, I've got to see what that's about. I've got to see what they've done differently. It's really. 

Cool. So was this one one of the the bigger titles in the Metal Gear Solid? Franchise. 

I I just think I I don't really look at it as I look at it as a franchise as a whole. I think Metal Gear Solid and I think the first few were so good. That the sequels thereafter were kind of overshadowed by that. So, and the fan base was so loyal to those first few games that they had very high expectations for when other ones came out. So there's a lot of legacy there there. There was lots of releases and remasters of this game. Konami did a full. 

Hmm. 

Remake using the Unreal Engine 5 to make the graphics better in the gameplay, but they still wanted to keep the original story and the voice acting and the voice acting is definitely a highlight. There are times though, where I would sit there and go. I've got an hour to play this. Frame and I do like one thing and I'd move into a cut scene and there would literally be an hour of dialogue and I'd be like I need to wait till they finish this conversation before I can save and that was incredibly frustrating. So it was not for the time poor. 

Uh. 

A book. A book? Yes. Put down that video game controller and go and read something, would you? Yes. 

And New York Times best sell off. 

A book. 

Read a book, read our game by David Baldacci, Boulder Jen. 

Bald bald dot David Baldacci with the hour game. Yeah, it's a serial killer story. I believe this one. I don't know. I never read it. That's why the segments called Books we. Didn't read. 

Perhaps you could give us a synopsis. Good. 

Ohh, find some serial killer music, yes. Ooh, that's scary. 

He's copying famous serial killers and the hour game has just begun. 

A woman is found murdered in the woods. It seems like a simple case, but it soon escalates into a terrible nightmare. Someone is replicating the killing styles of the most infamous murderers of all time, and no one knows these criminal motives or who will die next. 2 Secret Service agents Sean King and Michelle Maxwell Sean and Michelle Nish? Yeah. Have been hired to defend a man's innocent in the burglary involving an aristocratic family. That's rich people. Hmm. Through me playing at home and a series of secrets leaves the partners right into the frantic hunt that is confounding even the FBI. Now King and Maxwell or as I like to call them, Sean and Michelle are playing the hour game, uncovering 1 horrifying revelation after another and putting their lives in danger for the closer they get to the truth, they're closer or closer, not closer, but I'll close off now and just say that they'll get to the most shocking surprise of. And that's that's if you don't want to read it after that I. 

Don't know what's wrong with you. That's so inspired now. Maybe Terence can come back to it because Terence M1 star his review was DNF. He did not finish and that was on the 7th of the 4th 2011 and his. 

I know. I did not finish. 

Wow. 

His review is actually at the top of all the one star reviews his DNF with five lights. 

Right. Yeah. 

And two comments. So Karen jumps on seven months ago, so this is 2024. So earlier 2024 after Terence's review in 2011. So she's jumped in. What's that 13 years later and she's gone. 

I got some engagement there. 

Yeah. Uh-huh. 

Yeah. Said that, he did, and effed it. 

Hmm. 

Yeah, yeah. 

I understand why you DNF this one, Terrence. It was a rather convoluted plot, wasn't it? Surprise. 

Yes. 

Terence comes back. 

In he would have got a notification. That Karen's jumped on. 

Yeah, he's like, ohh, he's checking, checking phone. Somebody commented on my my Goodreads reviews. 

The comments got a comment 13 years later. Get back into what's my password? Ohh gosh, I haven't been in there for 13 years. I better reset it. Yes, he resets and he gets back in. What does? 

I'm trending. 

He say to Karen. Thanks, Karen. 

This in April 2011. I wish I had the brain cells to remember why I de infed it. 

Ohh that he's done that kooky face that kooky emoji. 

The drunk face that? Yeah, that face. I use that face. 

Yeah. 

Heaps, yes. 

I just you're always drunk. 

Think. It. I don't think it most resembles my face. Yes, yes. 

That's nice. That was some nice engagement in the good reads and and his whole. He just put DNF and all of that and he got the the number one. 

Couldn't be day. 

Hmm. 

Review for the one star because. 

Yeah, yeah. 

Of it well done. Terrence. Alright Jessica. Jessica. How Jessica reeds. That's her. Her full. 

Yes. 

That's that handle. 

Name. Well, well, everyone else is Caren or Dennis or Terence. And she's Jessica. How Jessica reeds. Yeah. One star bullets collide in midair. That's all I have to say about this book. 

Right. First name house. Yeah. What are the odds of that happening? 

Lots of people commented about the bullets colliding. It wasn't just Jessica. There was a lot. 

Give me there. 

Of people that had a problem with that. 

It's been odds like what are the odds? You know? I mean, yeah, maybe he's a Chingy fan. Maybe he likes to gamble. What can I say? Alex Ander. 5 stars. I believe our game was more of a murder mystery than an action thriller. 

Well, this is the only book that's done it, so why not? 

Those are merely observations and not all caps, not critiques. 

Thanks Alex. 

Hmm. 

Teddy Sanford it was very hard to tell when a CD is at the end. Why not say end of CD1, comma etcetera? 

Are you me, Teddy? Teddy. The CD's over when the talking stops, it stops. 

He wants the time to turn the page notification. 

CD players, they make a noise when they stop. There's not a loud noise, but they still make a noise. 

He needs a notification. 

Carol, Carol loved it. Carol gave it five stars. Ready. Yes. 

Book review will be posted on Wednesday after the group read ends on library thing. 

Carol posted this on two August 2016 and no review posted yet. 

What happened? What happened? What happened? What happened? 

And to Carol, because she didn't wanna she. 

On morning trip. 

Didn't wanna post her review, obviously, until the book club. I'm assuming it's like a book club. They're all reading. 

It as a group, what's happened to the group? 

And so she wanted to meet up with the group and share her thoughts with the group first, before she posts on Goodreads, which is fair. But you gotta be loyal to your group over being loyal to good. 

Right. 

Reads. 

That's fine. 

So what do you think happened at the group meet up? Maybe they like didn't like her review and killed her and. She never got to. Put it on the good reads. 

You can't. They're like you can't say that, Carol. Not on good. Reads. She gave it five stars. She's never come back. 

I don't know. 

She never came back. She never posted the review. 

That's awful. That's awful. I am more interested in in what in how Carol ended up as opposed to this stupid book. 

In what happened to Carol? Five stars. 

It is hatches, matches and dispatches time. We are on the home stretch and look, it was nice, I think, to do a bit of research and discover that no one of any real significance in the celebrity world was getting divorced everyone. Stayed happily married. And no one of any real significance died, and it's. 

Doubt. Why? This is your research, isn't it? 

And because you know, it's people that are born in 2004 and only be 20 years old, and the only way they seem to get famous is on TikTok or the socials, no one of any significance was born either. So we're just going to go with this. 

Hmm. 

A very famous person who is having a birthday that said this. 

This is most exciting, most exciting. Ladies and gentlemen, I've never seen anything quite like it before. I think I got quite a large run here. It's it's very, very large indeed. 

Now, if you said King Charles. He would be correct. His birthday is on the 14th of November. If you wanted to know when the official King's birthday was, it's the 14th of November, and that was a very young King Charles there. 

Sounded like he tripped over his naked snake. 

It was him in college, in in a school play, yeah. 

Alright. Oh, OK, that makes that much more sense. 

Yes, it was it. I know it. It also could have sounded a bit like a one of his text messages to Camilla back in the day. I've got a very large thing here, yes. 

Well, yes, exactly. 

And she's like. 

Hmm. 

So you did. This bit of content, what font is that? I can't even read it. 

Sort of. I just cut. I just cut and pasted a bunch of it from the Internet cause we all know who King Charles is. 

Can you? Can you go? Can you go paste and match style instead of paste and retain style cause that font is like eight points I can't read that I'm too old. 

For that. Exclusive behind the scenes sneak peek of t -, 20 brought to you by Mel's ********. Look, he became the king. 

You do one bit of content and that's in like times new Roman 6 points. 

He OK. It's not. He became the king in September 2022. Of course, following the death of his mother, Queen Elizabeth the second, he was crowned on the 6th of May in 2020. He and he's he did. I mean, he got diagnosed with cancer earlier this year and then he came to Australia only a few weeks ago, which I thought was wonderful. They went to the War Memorial in Canberra. They did a bunch of stuff. Lydia Lydia told him off in Parliament. He had a good little trip with it. 

Ah, that's right. Yes. He got yelled at by that. Lady. Yeah. Yep. He went to he. Yeah, he went to Parliament house here in Canberra because I saw a photo of that. Yeah, I was. I didn't know he was in. 

Yeah, that's that's where he the protesting thing happened. I remember. I I knew that the day he was in town, but I was at work. 

Also, love summers. 

Down on the South side, so I didn't have anything to do with it. I didn't see the motorcade or anything he that the grab of him was at Trinity Trinity College in Cambridge University where he was doing his secretary of education, which was a bit of a break in tradition for him because he he was supposed to go to a private school and then join the armed forces. And this, do you know, the Scottish referred to him as the Duke of Rothsay. 

That's. 

Oh. 

And the southern English home as the Duke of Cornwall, he became the longest. He is or was, the longest serving heir apparent in British history. 

Ohh he would be how many? 

Yeah. Long time, long time, former husband of Princess Diana. We all know how that went. And his sons are William and Harry married Camilla in 2005 after some pretty well. Don't Google those text messages or the the the answering machine with the very bad Prince Philip was his dad. 

Years was that. 

Hmm. 

He's got 33, Elizabeth. Obviously his mum. And then the three siblings and Andrew and Edward. 

Yeah. Anyway, that's that's all we've got time for this week on the podcast. So thank you very much for joining us. Yes. What are what are we? 

Doing next week, we're going to the Ukraine. 

Really. 

There was a bit of an upheaval in the Ukraine, which is interesting to look at, which is interesting in terms of what's happening now. It's kind of a bit of a precursor to to what's going on there now. It's yeah, very interesting. NASCAR, we're gonna talk about NASCAR, the car, right? 

Shock me. 

Really. 

Are we you've been putting? 

A lot of NASCAR content in the shows is something you want to tell me. 

So second, it's a second NASCAR bit of contents. 

You're liking you're gonna start liking monster trucks and rodeos as well. 

Monster Chuck. Yeah, I'm gonna go and audition for all American guy. 

Well, when in Columbian. 

There, there's a big release from Nintendo. Yes. And we have so many albums to talk about. Actually. It's gonna be an album bonanza. 

Clearly. Does anyone wanna fill in for me next? 

Week there's an album in there that. You like anthrax? Anthrax released an album, so. 

Is there. Ohh excellent. OK. 

I'll let you. Talk about. 

That sounds wonderful. Thank you very much for letting me and thank you guys for letting us into your iPods or whatever you have probably your. 

That will do. 

That. 

And yes. 

Phones. 

Yeah. 

Probably phones, maybe car stereo. I don't know how these things. 

Or you or your Siri speaker at home. Maybe. Maybe you have a Siri speaker. 

Work. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Next time you come round, I'll give you a lolly out of my wallet. 

I was gonna say if you if you jump on the social, maybe send us a message about what lolly, you'd. Put in your purse when you're a. Well, what did your grandmother have? I'm interested to see if everybody had the worthers. Ohh. Remember the peppermint chocolate ones that they were like peppermint and crunchy on the outside and a little bit of chocolate in the. 

Yes. 

Middle. That was a nice surprise. 

I think because they're, they're flat and thin. I would go with an after dinner mint, but I'd be scared that you'd mistake it for a condom. I'd be a bit chewy. What about you? 

But they're not. Sealed properly either cause all the tobacco out of the cigarettes would go into the packet and all the the the, the dirt and the bag. 

Uh, yeah. In the afternoon mince. Yeah, the condoms are sealed properly. That's trying to pardon that thing. 

Maybe. 

After dinner, man, it's like a it's like a. Sleeve. That sort of folds over and it's not sealed. It's just. 

Yeah, it's an envelope. It's an open envelope. 

Sort of. Yeah, but. It's a folded envelope without licking the glue. It's not, yeah. 

Yeah, it'll melt. It's, it's folly. I was just using it as a bit of a sight gag for the the condom thing. Yeah. Anyway, what can you do? Find us on the socials, Facebook, Instagram. TikTok, you can complain over. 

Ah. 

There, if you like, we'll see you next week. 

Hey. 

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