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The year is 2004... Your polyphonic ringtone habit is sending you broke. George W Bush is sworn in for a second term. And in spite of everything going on, the most controversial thing is a wardrobe malfunction at the superbowl?
T minus 20, rewind to this week in history 20 years ago with Joe and Mel.
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Tragedy at the Alrosa VIlla
It's a week full of heartbreak. There's no way to sugar coat it, but we will press on and make the best of it.
On December 8, tragedy struck the music world 💔 when an obsessed fan killed Dimebag Darrell Abbott and three others during a Damageplan performance at the Alrosa Villa nightclub. The shooting riased a LOT of questions about the safety of music venues but also fuelled the gun debate in the USA, which shows no sign of changing 20 years and countless senseless shootings after the fact...
On the same day, IBM sold its PC division to Lenovo 💻 for $1.75 billion, marking the end of an era. After pioneering personal computers and creating the iconic ThinkPad, IBM shifted to AI and cloud computing ☁️, while Lenovo became the world’s largest PC maker.
At the 15th Billboard Music Awards 🎤, Usher dominated with 13 wins 🏆, Alicia Keys claimed 7, and rising star Kanye West earned New Male Artist of the Year. On the charts, hits like “Drop It Like It’s Hot” 🔥 and “Do They Know It’s Christmas?” 🎄 kept the world singing.
In theaters, the puppet-powered satire Team America: World Police 🇺🇸 made waves, while National Treasure 🗺️ thrilled U.S. audiences. Meanwhile, Lindsay Lohan dropped her debut album “Speak” 🎶, led by the angsty anthem “Rumors,” which became a platinum success.
Finally, Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen pledged maternity leave 👶 for Bangladeshi workers producing their fashion line, earning praise for promoting ethical practices.
Hang with us on socials to chat more noughties nostalgia - Facebook (@tminus20) or Instagram (tminus20podcast). You can also contact us there if you want to be a part of the show.
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The year is 2004. Your polyphonic ringtone habit is sending you broke. George W Bush is sworn in for a second term, and in spite of everything going on, the most controversial thing is a wardrobe malfunction at the Super Bowl. T -, 20 rewind 20 years with Joe and Mel.
Week 05 December 2004.
T -, 20 you know what? I'm very forgetful.
The rest is history. Hello there.
Stop trying to make fetch happen.
What are we waiting for?
This is harder than I thought it would be.
My fellow Americans.
Welcome.
To the show that's gonna cast your mind back 20 years and hopefully help you reminisce. Some of the good times. Some of the bad times and just some of the times in general, this podcast is called t -, 20 with your host, Joe and Mel. If this is your first time joining us, welcome. It's an anniversary for us. Hello, Mel. This it marks.
Hello there.
20 years since you and I were both fired from radio.
Ohh good time.
Is that well, yeah, I look, if I'm being honest, I think we're all the better for not being within that industry now and we get to do podcasts in the comfort of our own home. We can have a couple of drinks and just sit around. And talk amongst each other and it seems to work out a lot better, so I'm very happy with that.
Cool.
Yes, we are rewinding to 2004 the 5th to the 11th of December in. Fact.
Well, not quite yet, so don't panic. Don't panic. Have you got a payday or two?
Ohh Morris must be you before you know it. What have we got? Probably one maybe 2. I don't know.
To go. Yes, yes, they resurrected, which is normally happens at Easter, but it's happening at Christmas. They resurrected that Christmas classic. We'll talk about that a.
It's.
Bit later on.
I'm sick of being followed.
I'm sick of being followed and I'm tired of rumours to Lindsey.
That is iconic, that song that's going on, the Spotify playlist of songs from 2004 we hated or we're indifferent towards, but now quite like. But you listen, you listen to the lyrics and you think about what was happening to her and the Holy Trinity, Britney and Paris, it's actually.
Ohh you throw that around. Yeah, you throw that around.
It's.
It's quite a moment.
Well, it's it's she was making a statement.
It was a heartfelt goodbye as thousands of people paid tribute to murdered guitarist Dimebag Darrell Abbott.
I'm actually dreading talking about that particular incident, but we will get to that in the news segment. But before we do, let's talk about some good stuff. There's, we've we've had some messages over on the socials, have we not?
We have. I posted I shared a picture and it was of an electric carving knife and it I think it's. Something to the effect of. That carving knife your family pulled out once or twice a year back in the day, and generally it would be around Christmas. The electric carving knife, and it's the smell, the burnt, burnt motor smell.
The electric knife. Yeah. I I remember this. I I know the sound. I know the sound. The two blades that. That burnt motor smell when you got a really particularly stubborn chunk of gristle that you had to cut through.
And it had the little decal. Of the I think. It was fruit or flowers or something.
Yes, which are which are things that you.
I think it was was. It was.
Would never cut with. That electric carving knife. It made no sense.
It a Sunbeam, Sunbeam or a breville sun.
Sunbeam. Sunbeam carve. Easy. I believe it was.
Name.
Called and it was it always. You always run the risk. Well, I was always worried about accidentally cutting through the cord and electrocuting myself. That was a big risk with the plug in carving knife.
Yes, but but also I feel like the sunbeam carve easy didn't really come out all of that often it was it was special occasions, Christmas.
No special occasions. Yeah. Christmas, Christmas, Thanksgiving. I guess if you're in America.
Maybe Easter for people.
Who are Easter?
Yeah.
Too lazy to sharpen knives and cut.
Yeah, and it had a it was very.
Hmm, no offence. No offence to anyone who owns one. I own one. I understand. I used to use it to cut Styrofoam or foam for soundproofing. It's very handy. Yes, I did well. And then it wasn't just the smell of the burning motor. It was the smell of the burning foam as well, which is probably quite toxic and maybe gave me a bit of brain damage.
Loud. Very loud. Very especially when you hit a bit of bones.
Yes, he really does. He really does.
Anyway.
But I did share a beautiful, nostalgic image of the Carvey did you say?
Sunbeam carve easy, yes.
I shared an image resonate with a few people, few people hearted it. Yeah, but then I got a sad story coming through the DM's actually saying from Susie saying that she had her grandma's version, so she'd inherited her grandmother's.
Oh. Ohh, so it's an heirloom. Well this see that that is one of those appliances and I know it's just an appliance, but but you would definitely have an emotional attachment to.
Well, you'd associate it with family gatherings, wouldn't you? And she was saying that she brought it out for.
Yeah.
Christmas.
Yes, of. Of course.
And so she'd had it for years. And so I think it was a was it 70s or 80s?
I mean that 719.
1980s, I think early 80s.
Late 70s, early 80s, that feels like a centre piece though, and that's that harks back to the day where electronics were built to last electronics.
Early 80s, yeah.
Ohh you get that fixed for sure.
I don't know that it's an electronic. I mean you, you're not. You don't play Donkey Kong on it, but it's a it's an electrical device. OK? Yeah.
Things with chords. Yes, that's still working well. Hers was still working up until like two months ago.
Yes.
Right up. Now. Ohh no.
Two months ago, just before Christmas lead up to Christmas, isn't that?
No. Ohh no.
That will be shared.
So it's that's a that's a little piece of your grandmother being there as well at Christmas. I know it's an electric knife, but you know, the men's memories get attached to these sort of things, right? Yeah.
Absolutely, absolutely. I feel that way about my mum had a a, a, a whisk, the beater, the electric beaters. That reminds me of my grandma.
Yeah, I had a a bunnykins bowl that I think was given to me, maybe by a grandparent. And I I would not eat ice cream out of anything except for that bunnykins bowl. And then I'd flip it over and I'd be like, what are those bunnies doing on the back of that bowl? And they'd be like, go and ask your.
Loses.
Oh yeah, I'm so honoured then.
But yes, yeah, they're they're doing Bunny stuff.
Thorn arcading bunnies and the bunnykins.
Yeah, that's that's yes, yes, indeed.
I need to go and check the bottom of bunnykins now did not know that so righteous.
Playing a little game of Bunny piggyback? Yeah, back to the knife.
Anyway, so I did. I did suggest remember where we got the we got the cassette deck fixed. I I was like, well, I did see someone walking there with the toast.
Ohh yeah, you just.
Yeah. So I suggested that maybe she, like, could take it there to get it.
There's a lot of pensioners that still use the electronics to repair shop is what we've discovered and they pay a premium for it because the.
For a toaster toaster, $500 to fix a $20 toaster.
So I think it was $500 to fix a $50 cassette deck as well, just quietly, but.
Stopping it from going into landfill.
Well.
Mems. Yeah, sentimental.
And there's no guarantee on it, cause they're like this thing is as old as Methuselah. We don't know how long it's going. To continue to.
It does work as long as I press record 1st and record over another cassette, then it will play after that. That's fine, it works fine, it works a treat. It's worth that $500 it's fine, but the good news, the good news, Susie did respond.
That that. OK, not enough, that's satisfaction guaranteed, but anyway. About the easy car. So OK, so Suzie's easy carve has carped it.
Two months out from grandma's easy carve.
Two months before Christmas, where it is going to be, it's an essential piece of kit. You've got your Christmas roast on the table, cause that's what we do in Australia. Slice the ham. Much better to do cold cuts at 40° heat in Australia.
Yes.
Your ham you'd be using it to slice the ham, the ham. The ham or or the? What's that thing? Pork with the cracklings. What's?
Yes, honestly, Christmas Day and the first thing that we do is crank our oven up to about 200° and warm our entire house up in 40° heat. In Australia. It's wonderful.
The crack cutting. *********.
Hmm.
Stop. Start BBQ fires because all the fat tripping out of the pork, but you need the you need.
But it's it's not complete. It's it's not complete.
The knife.
Without the easy carve electric knife.
So I was quite devastated for her but.
Me too. That's awful.
Wait, wait. And I quote everyone, breathe out the great and powerful carve easy is still in production. You can you can still you can still buy it. You can still buy it. It also comes in a cordless version.
It's carve easy, not easy though. Yes.
Hmm, but you can still get the cord. And I think you need the cord version because you need that degree of difficulty. You need the risk. Yeah. Of cutting through the cord and electrocuting yourself just so that you're paying attention. Because I feel like if you get the cordless one, you're probably not paying as much attention. You might have a few Christmas shandies and you're carving.
You're in the moment, you're aware.
Things Willy nilly and.
You get it, Lacey. Fair with the easy car or the car? Easy.
Exactly, exactly. And the thickness of your meat is all skewiff, but get the corded version and you're definitely paying attention.
Whatever it is.
Yeah.
So PSA, everybody carve easy.
Hmm.
Still alive and in production.
I feel like I feel like she should buy.
So plenty of time for Christmas for us all to get a new one.
I think she should buy the new one right and harvest the new one for parts so she can still use the old one, yeah.
Back in the OG. Or peel the sticker, peel the sticker with the fruit or whatever it. Is off the OG one and put it on the new one.
Surely you could just remove the casing of the old one and replace it with the new one. That's something that I would attempt to do just to keep it in the family. You know? Just keep.
Put it on. Yes.
Yeah, I like that, yeah.
That's lovely. Hatches, matches and dispatches is the segment we do at the end of the show, but we do this little clue at the start in order to hook you through because we're super clever. Like, maybe that's why we got fired from radio.
Our hooks weren't so.
Good. Just maybe because our tactics are a little bit too primitive for the modern age, you know?
Maybe, yeah, maybe books aren't a thing anymore.
Yeah, we're behind the. We were behind the times even when we were supposed to be ahead of them. And that's why we didn't make it. Possibly anyway. Less about us and more about this celebrity that's having a birthday that said this.
Everybody, come on. Come on, come on, come on, come on. I said, come on.
Do you need to hear that one again that?
Probably.
Was a child.
Everybody tomorrow someone. Come on. Come on, come on, I said.
She's not Simone. Then who? Who the hell is she? We will find out at the end of the show.
Starting with the 8th of December 2004 and this this. Hard one for you, isn't it?
Yeah, I'm not. I'm actually. Yeah, it is. I'm not looking forward. I I. But I feel like I still need to talk about it just because it it's important. It's important.
Hmm.
Yeah. Yeah, 8th of December 2004, the Al Rosa Villa nightclub in Columbus. OH, becomes the site of a horrifying tragedy that forever changed the music world. During a performance by damage plan, which was a band that was formed by former Pantera members Dimebag Darrell Abbott and his brother Vinny, Paul, an obsessed fan armed with a gun, storms the stage, killing four people, injuring several others.
Yeah. So the Alrosa Villa is a very like you think about, OK, so former Pantera members, Pantera, huge band in the 90s and early 2000s, big festival Stages, Arena. They're not happening anymore because of lots of internal politics. So they. Form this band damage plan. And they kind of start again, I guess they're still, they've still got profile, they're still very famous obviously because of their experience in that band and they're playing smaller venues, they're playing smaller venues. The Alrosa villa is sort of, I don't know, about 600 people strong. Like, that's the capacity of it. So it's it'll be like. A. You think about. Like the the unibar here in Canberra, which was, I don't know, around 1000 or the basement in Belconnen, which probably has be similar size to the ALROSA. I would I would suggest, but it was still a very beloved venue for live music that had a lot of bands go through there, I think Slipknot.
Hmm.
Slayer went through there. I think I want to say kiss, but it might be. Long, but they've they've been going since 1974, so it's highly likely that when kiss were up and coming, they did go there very intimate and and fans are very close to the action. It's there's there's, you know, there's a barricade and the stage it's not. There's not a huge amount of distance between the fans and the.
Band so damage plan are playing there on the night. Of the 8th of December 2004 and shortly after they begin their set, a guy by the name of Nathan Gayle rushes the stage and opens fire. His first shots struck Dimebag Darrell Abbott killing him instantly, and he continues to then fire into the crowds, creating chaos as fans and staff are all scrambling for cover. Three others are killed in the attack. Nathan Bray, a 23 year old fan, shot while attempting to help and other injured individuals. Erin Hawke, a 29 year old venue employee, was killed while trying to stop him and Jeff Mayhem Thompson, a 40 year old damaged planned security guard, died in an effort to subdue the gunman. His name was Nathan Gale, 25 year old former Marine. Had a history of mental health issues, including what acquaintances described as delusions and paranoid behaviour. He was reportedly obsessed with Pantera, and he blamed Darrell for the band's break up in 2003. While his condition was never officially diagnosed, his friends did note he was becoming increasingly erratic. Including making claims that the band had stolen his lyrics and ideas. This and this fixation obviously turns deadly when he brings a semi automatic handgun to the villa with a clear intent to harm.
Yeah, I I don't even like hearing his name, to be honest with you. But I think it's important to to know what happened. So it's it's. It's another shooting in America, you know, deranged fans are a thing. You know, people get obsessed with famous people. And while music can be a safe haven for. A lot of people that can, obviously I don't know, I just don't. I don't understand this guy's motivation. It's really perplexing to see this. Happen in an environment where people go to have fun and and any any joy stuff. So there are other people that were injured as well. There's John Cat Brooks, who was the drum technician for damage plan. He was shot in the leg. He actually ended up being taken hostage trying to stop this guy from shooting everyone and. Chris Pulaski, their tour manager, was was also shot, but he survived, so GAIL takes cat as a hostage and then he threatens to kill other people. And three minutes after he walks on stage and opens fire, a police officer arrives at the scene, cause initially the fans all thought it was a well, they didn't know what to think. They part of the show, like who would know, you know, so 3 minutes later, Officer James. Megan Meyer of the Columbus Police Department arrives on the scene with a shotgun and. He picks his. Moment while GAIL has his gun to Cat's head and he opens fire and he takes Nathan Gale out of the equation. There is a there is a special that VH1 did behind the music from Pantera, which talks about the entire history of the band. And goes into a bit of detail and actually shows footage from the venue, which I I found to be horrible and in really poor taste, but there there were people that were there that were willing to discuss it. There were some eyewitness accounts. So we've got accounts.
Oh gosh.
John Graham, who was one of the two managers, Cat Brooks, Officer James Vinny Paul Dimebag's brother and Rita Haney, Dimebag's girlfriend who was called during the whole situation.
But my cell phone rang. It's Vinny.
Paul. And he goes.
Dude, I just saw my brother get shot in the back of the head five times.
After rushing to the aid of the mortally wounded Dimebag Darrell Drumtech catwalks, drivers subdued the gunman.
And went after the day, she said.
And uh.
Kept shooting me like.
Quit shooting.
Quit. Stop. Please stop shooting. You're killing all my friends. Stop.
It I looked over my shoulder and I heard the chaos and I look and there's an officer coming through through the door, my motions, lobster over there and I'll say, yeah, you gotta you gotta kill this guy. He he's gonna kill more people he's got.
My friend as I started working across the back. Of the stage. He then moved the gun to the hostages head and as soon as he put the gun to the hostage's head, I realised that I had. To do something, to try to save the hostage, I watched him.
Click the safety with his finger and when he clicked the safety I just plug my ears and turned my head. I stopped and I looked up and he was down and the cat was.
Sure.
Moving. And at that point, I ran to the floor. They had dime on the floor.
And then he kept calling.
Me and he still didn't know nothing.
And then when he called me. Back and said.
My brother's dead.
And that's all he could say.
Like a real bad movie, none of it seemed real whatsoever. None of it.
Can we? Can we stop? You're right. Yeah. Sorry, that was difficult so. It's so horrific like it's it's another shooting in America with another ******* deranged person who's got another gun and it's just horrible. There's stories, there's more stories that come from it where, like, dime got shot, I think in in the head. So he. Pretty much. Was killed instantly, but the fans there was a a girl there that was a nurse that took him off the stage and started giving CPR to him and worked on him for like 10 minutes, you know, to try and keep him going. It was just terrible. It was utterly, utterly shocking, like, and This is why, like, to this day I just can't stand seeing people. People who think, regardless of their intentions, who think that they are that entitled, that they can walk up onto a stage at a concert where someone's performing like, get the off the stage like, don't do that. And the usual thoughts and prayers, conversations about mental health and all of that. And let me tell you, if that fan was a.
Hmm.
Deranged fan in Australia. A security guard would have sorted him out and sent him on his way and he wouldn't have had a gun and it wouldn't have happened. And it's just that it did because. He was such an incredible musician and a good guy and it makes me really sad and I think for me, like, I know like I'm getting upset about it all over again. It's really weird. Like I it's it's a celebrity that I've never met. And and I mourned this person like it was a family member, which is odd. At the time that this happened, are we mentioned? We were jokingly mentioned at the start of the show that we'd both been fired from radio same week. Mm-hmm. And I came out of whatever stupid that I'd been in for a couple of days after we lost our job. And and Ray had texted me and said, have you seen the news?
Hmm.
What are you doing? He's like dimebag. He's dead and I'm like ********. Like, that's not true. That can't be true. And then I started going through news reports and and like it had hit me that he was gone. And it was. It was the first time, and it was it was like he's 38 years old. I'm back. He's 38 years old. When he died, it's the first time that I'd really been affected by anything like that. And I think it was probably compounded by the other that was going on in my life. But for me. When I was a kid. Did when I was, I don't know. Moving into high school, it was not a good time for me. I didn't have many friends. I moved around a lot as a kid and my my, my family unit had fallen apart. Pretty much like and I didn't have anything. I I had and and I found music and music. Just was everything to me and I I didn't have many friends. I had a couple of really good friends like 3 or 4, OK. And they know who they are. And then I had a whole bunch of other friends that were kinda. Just I don't know. Like, you know what kids are like, they pick on you and they do all that sort of stuff. And I I I was a nerdy kid and I discovered heavy metal and then I was trying to get into it and even my friends were like, ohh don't don't give him that music because he's just trying to fit in, you know, like don't lend him your Metallica records or whatever or your tapes because he's just trying to. Fit in, which really hurt me. It was terrible. But some pain. Era. I found Pantera. I was the guy in my entire group of friends that found Pantera. And when I found that band like I was relentlessly bullied and I was angry and and and I I had nowhere to put it. And when I heard that music, I had somewhere to put it. And instead of curling up into a little ball. All and and kind of hiding away from everyone. I stuck my chin out like I became fearless. I don't know what it was. It was just the effect that this really powerful, aggressive music had on me. It made me fearless and I stuck my chin out. And and I wasn't scared of anyone anymore. I just did my thing and I could not give a ****. About what anyone thought of me and I, and I like, I carried that through my entire life. Like I, you know, people talk about music saving your life and all that sort of stuff. And I don't necessarily subscribe to that, but I think that that does play a big part in it. If it comes along at the right time and that band and that music. Nick, regardless of all the controversy that that surrounded them later on in their career and all of that stuff came along at the right time in my life. So when this happened it just destroyed me. It was terrible.
I remember. Yeah, I remember it. Really. It doesn't feel like 20 years ago. And I think the thing that struck me the most. It was just so unnecessary. It was just like, why? Why would this happen? And how did this happen? And I just remember being so heartbroken for you. And I remember you saying like cause it like you said it was the week when we got fired from radio and you'd worked so long and so hard to get into radio. And that meant so much to you. But I remember you saying on that day.
Like.
This is just so much worse than losing my job like this. This just hit me so much harder and I just. I remember being so heartbroken for you like it was just. It was just horrible.
Ah yeah. I just didn't know what to do. I just.
And just the fact that it was so unnecessary like. Why? Why would someone do this like?
And and I just kept thinking of cause I, you know, I've been working with bands and stuff and I know what it's like to be in that environment and that environment is a a fun, joyous place where everybody comes together because they admire the talent that's on the stage and they bond over the music and they have stories. Like me, who as a kid went through all of this and I'm I'm standing on common ground with people that are in similar situations and to have some deranged person. Come and take that away from you like he's he's just horrible. And I I don't. The reason why I I dread this.
Yeah.
And talking about it is because I don't want to remember that like I want to acknowledge it I, and that's why we're talking about it. I want to acknowledge it, but I I I would rather instead of mourning dime and and Pantera and all of that stuff, I would rather celebrate his life. And and that was one of the things that when the and and the sad thing is too, is is, you know, the band never kind of reconciled before this happened. His brother Vinny never reconciled his beef with Phil the singer and then Vinny passed away a few years ago as well. It was equally as sad. But you know, when they decided to do a reunion with his friends like Dime Bag had a really good relationship with the guys from anthrax. He played on a lot of their albums and stuff and. Charlie, who is the driving force behind anthrax and the drummer, decided to step into the drum roll and Zach Wilde, who is another amazing guitarist. Like if you've got guitar Valhalla. For me, right? It's like, you know, Jimi Hendrix, Eddie Van Halen. Dimebag, Darrell, Zach Wild. You know, and there's there's probably about 5 or six others, but there it's it's a small. A small group and and so when they when they did this celebration I was like ohh. At first I was like oh, this is just for the money. But then I kind of started to understand their intentions. And these are this is this these guys friends you know both of them are their friends.
Hmm.
And so I went and saw it, and it was just the most amazing thing. And it felt so good to celebrate the life of those guys. And they played video footage of them and stuff. And it was just wonderful. And I went to that gig to that, not fest gig that they headlined last year by myself. And I'm so glad that I went by myself because it actually it was how I came to know that. And was alone and and so I went there alone, and I had. I had the best time I had such a good time when they and I only went to see them, there was tonnes of other bands on the bill, but I only went to see them and when they started I just cried for the entire thing and it felt wonderful. It was really great. But rather than mourn him these days, I want to celebrate his life. And this is kind of like all these other friends. So this is Scott, Ian from Anthrax, Zach Wild, David Draymond from disturbed, Kerry King and Max Cavalier are all talking about how great this guy was.
With Darrell, it was just just he's such. He was such an amazing human. And and just so much fun to be around all the time. And you know, if you if you never got to meet him, it sucks because he in my life he was someone who was really, really special. One of those people that you meet and you just love being around that guy he made any time you were in a room with Darrell. He made he made you.
Feel better? He was Santa Claus with a pink beard. You know what I mean? So hey. Love buying people presents all the time, you know? Just a beautiful, beautiful soul man like you having the worst day and time walked into the room like you just light the room up, man. But I went out. Of doubt always.
Such a sweetheart of a guy. He just the guy who was always focused most on making sure that you were having a great time, not himself. He was always so selfless about things.
He had fun. He didn't have any enemies in the business or anywhere else. And you know, if you were around dime, it was just a party all the time. And if you were having a bad time, he was. The one that would make sure you had a. Good time I think I.
Got legacy of really.
Great guitar player, but even better person.
And that's it like that, that that is in a nutshell, the kind of guy that I think he was having, never met him. It's so funny. Like I remember when I went and saw them on the far beyond driven tour. The first time they came to Australia. And this is extraordinary too. This is one of the heaviest bands in the world and they go to number one in Australia and then they come here and they did an in store at Utopia and I went up to Sydney. With my mates to go and see them, I think I was like 17 or 18. And the lineup was out the door and it's it's it's one of those moments where I'm like it, like I so wish that I'd have stayed in that line and met those guys. You know, I got to see Phil Anselmo perform at the basement in Belconnen. And I was like from from me to the back wall of the. You know, like I was like 5 metres away from him, but I never got. The meeting. It's OK. I don't. I don't want a meeting. But one of the things that I that I take from all of the comments that those guys were making about him and the and the thing that you know, regardless of the aggressive music and all of that thing and the way to and and using it as an outlet, one of the things that I model myself on is. The way dime was, it's like I try as best as I can every single day to make every person that I come into contact with feel like a VIP. That's how I try and start my day and that's how everyone should start their day. I think that the. And beyond the music was just an incredible person and he was one of those people that I think, you know, never strive for perfection or anything like that. He was just all about being in the moment and being real. And I think in this day and age where everything is kind of manufactured and everything's got to be. You know, pristine and perfect in it, but yet still so disposable. He always kept it real. And it's something that I have always aspired to do and just I know I've gone on a little bit about this and I don't want to kind of talk about it too much, but I. Just wanna let him have the last word about that.
Listening to Black Sabbath records, back when Tony Iommi would double his guitars and they'd go out of tune, one would be like here and one would be up here and. Then when they. Would fight Dog fight each other's hell? This is the front of Iron Man. That's some of the heaviest sounding you'll ever hear. And that's more perfect proof that. The live feel, the honesty blows away computer technology and what perfect truly is. If there is such a thing. I'm against it all, man. Let it **** it all. Hang out, brother.
Yeah. OK. Sorry. Let's move along.
Oh. No. Change of pace.
As they say in the business.
Something like that. Apparently there was some other happening in the world this week as well. That's far less important. But, you know, we'll still.
Cover it far less important in tech news, IBM announces the sale of its personal computer business to Lenovo at a deal valued at 1.75.
Billion dollars.
Ohh way to go IBM. It's good time to cash out for them, really.
This was the end of an era for them because they had been really big in the PC market. I think they first released a PC in 1981. They were kind of the the Big deal back in the day. They introduced the 51.
Hmm.
50 personal computer in 1981.
God, there's a.
Crazy Van Halen reference that.
Which became known as the IBM PC and that was quite a pivotal moment in tech history because it did set the standard for what PC's would be. So the first one, let's let's have a look at the specs. Would you like me to? Spec you up.
Yeah, spec me up with my IBM PC which I could have never have afforded. I was much more of an analogue guy as you could probably.
It had a I had an I had an electric typewriter. That's yeah, that's how ******** I was. It was.
Tell from the.
Did you?
That's Sir. That's special. Did that make a noise?
Yes, and it had a little LCD screen.
They they're no easy.
I prefer that.
All an LCD screen.
I prefer normal typewriters to be honest, but.
Hmm.
Let's talk about the IBM PC.
Was it made by Sunbeam?
No, but it broke. So if it was made by Sunbeam, we'd probably still be going.
Pick another one up at Big Doves.
It had a base RAM of 16 kilobytes. Today's base is around 16 gigabyte.
Gigabyte. So what is that? That's is that like 1000? I don't know. I don't wanna do math.
Doesn't it go KMG so yeah.
I'm a bit I'm a bit emotionally spent and I'm definitely not in the mood to math.
They do look like zeros.
You're not messing right now.
Me. I can't wait till we get to the music segment. That's gonna be great.
Storage. Was external, didn't have internal storage. Storage was a 5.25 inch floppy disc drive with 160 kilobytes per disc size.
Yeah. Right, that's about.
160 kilobytes.
What are we now? Like 512 is the base and a TB is pretty standard.
Is pretty. Yeah. Yeah, the operating, uh, the the resolution was 640 by 200 pixels.
Wow. Wow. It's like 4000 times that now 4K resolution.
Yeah.
And the operating system was PC DOS 1.0, later known as Ms. DOS remember that like. Was it control B to bold and control I to italic which though I think those commands still work?
I I prefer the PC version of DOS where there was no control button that was just all about gentle persuasion.
The display was the CRT monitor.
That's cathode ray tube for any of the technical boffins that might need to go and get something repaired at the electrical shop. Yes, yes.
Right, yes.
For the Baggins. And the starting price was $1565 in 1981, which would be around four and a half, $1000 in today's million.
Uh-huh. Wow, that's pretty much how much he'd pay for him. A really specked up Mac today.
But back?
Then hmm, only the rich kids. When we we got one in the 90s and it was because my mum worked in schools like part of the job lot. So we got it.
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
For the same price as what the school would.
I can remember I used to go over to a friend's house and and couch at a friend's house, and we game on his Commodore Amiga 500, and I thought that was the Ducks and nuts, the Commodore Omega 500.
Instance. With game. We didn't have games, we had paints. We play paints and we play PowerPoints.
Yeah. And then and then they picked up the. Come over and play PowerPoint.
I used to go over to my friend's house and we'd make PowerPoint presentations. Yes, we did one on how to.
With us. Really.
Spot a wig?
And now for my next slide.
We did our whole presentation on how to spot a wig.
About the varying varieties of wigs, OK.
In the wild. Yes, that's what we did. That's that was.
Fun well, my friend had a Commodore Omega 500 which I played a lot and then I wanted to get one. And I I think I had to cash in some life insurance to get on it like. Certain and. And then and then I went over to his house one day and he had this new IBM thing, and they were playing Doom and.
Oh great. Oh.
I was like this. Is just like next level awesome, you know? And then I started playing it and I was doing the corridor dungeons scrolling thing. And I got motion sickness from it.
Hmm.
Did Yvonne?
The last thing not quite wasn't quite the VR experience that you would have that where I've bombed in VR but not on on. Doom anyway it was.
We didn't have any games. We gotta actually know a lie, I think from. One of the pizza companies was it Pizza Hut or Pizza Haven? One of them gave us a free game, a free like a CD-ROM game. Ohh, it was a floppy disc. Yeah, they gave us a free floppy disc with the pizza. No, because it would only let you play it around. End of round one. So once you got round to the first level, sorry. Level 1, not round one. So if you got to the end of the first level.
I bet that was good. Do you know that's interesting?
That was it. And then you had to buy the game for. The rest of.
The levels this was the pizza related game.
I was just reading today actually that Pizza Hut have done some promo and I don't know if this is a prank or what where they've created a periphery. Rule that you that's like a little like a little warming box that you can plug into the USB port of your PlayStation, and it'll keep your pizza warm. It's good. Give me. It's not.
Hmm.
Hmm.
Hmm.
Baby, baby song. A game I've got a USB thing that keeps your. Coffee. Warm. It's a flossy warmer.
Well, Peter ain't no game. It's just a gimmick, like I said. But this is a game anyway.
That's that feels like I got the USB warmer 10 years ago. That feels very yeah.
Look, I I'm probably taking us a bit off track and I'm not sure where I'm going with.
Oh, boldness. You have.
You have well, IBM also brought out the ThinkPad which was laptop first introduced in 92, so that would be one of the very early laptops. If we're talking 92, famous for its reliability, durability, distinctive design, it had what was called the the ******.
It.
Hmm.
Yes.
The ohh yes, the little red thing in the middle. Yes, I remember this. Do you remember the ads where you could fiddle with the ******? But the ads had Paul Riser from mad about you.
You know, the red, the red thing in the middle? Yeah, the ****** they used. To fiddle with.
Oh yes, electronic devices.
What a hard working bunch and you're working harder than most. I've seen bigger screens on a calculator now. This is an empty screen, but objects may shift during flight. And you're working too hard because, frankly, your hands are just designed wrong, an IBM ThinkPad. See now this is what it's like to fly. First class.
Ohh yeah, with that little ****** that you could feel the red thing. I often wondered what that was until I stroked it and then I went all.
Take your ****** first class.
Things are happening on the screen.
Think pads were very popular in business in the government sector. They were also used on the International Space Station because they were quite rugged, rugged, rugged *******. Yes, they were quite.
Were they?
Strong and secure and.
Excellent. They won't burn up on reentry because that's the last thing you want to have happen is have your ******* burn up on reentry, right?
No, no.
Naples, I don't know.
IBM also introduced the floppy disc. Yes, in the 70s I think.
Yeah, it's very forward thinking for the 70s. They did all of that sort of stuff. It actually became like the revolutionary storage device. There was no tapes or anything like that, that they had to deal with. And this is way before USB and all that sort of stuff. And then they decided to get out of that low margin PC business and focus on things like software and IT services and enterprise solution. And stuff. So IBM had a full dance card. They had a lot of stuff going on, and then they then they wanted to shift away from hardware and become more service and software oriented. So Lenovo were like, cool. Have we got an offer for you? And then they they acquire the PC division of IBM and that's a way for them to expand and establish themselves.
You're very busy.
Please.
Is this major player in the international market?
Because they're in China up until and they hadn't really done anything outside of Asia.
Yeah, so be. That's right. They were very limited. So at the time, all these US lawmakers are like, oh, I don't know about letting these Chinese guys come in and. I don't know why they sound Australian, but yeah China.
Oh, what does that sound like? Sounds like the TikTok, doesn't it?
Takes on this American tech does a little bit, does a little bit, but they reviewed it. The the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States, or Seif, with approved the deal and.
Hmm.
Because I think IBM did a lot of work. With the US government, so they're worried about.
Hmm.
The Lenovo is doing us.
Yes, we don't want Lenovo reading our thinks from our Thinkpads.
No, we don't.
Hmm. Or or stroking our *******?
Today, IBM is focused on AI.
Ohh yes, isn't it elementary, dear Watson? Yes.
Watson Cloud computing, quantum computing enterprise solutions. But it's still got that nostalgia attached to it. Lenovo's still the leading tech company lots.
Yes.
It's it's performed quite well. I looked at its stats for the year and I think it's actually tracking for a a higher. Higher surplus than what they imagined.
Really. Should we buy shares? Probably too late, but ships always sailed. It's like everything. Yeah.
Probably too.
I think they're performing a lot better than what was what was forecast so well done.
Hmm.
It is the largest pacey manufacturer, which I didn't know. No, I would have guessed HP, but no, it's Lenovo global shipments growing by three percent, 24% market share, very popular in education. So that's probably why it does so well cause.
Lenovo is M. Yeah. Guess not.
In all schools. Yeah, healthcare point of sale.
Yep. Ohh these Lenovo point of sale.
So when you. Yes, I do recall hearing Lenovo ads for your point of sale technology in your restaurant.
Great. Do they still do they still have the little red ****** in the middle of the thing?
The ******. I'd like to. Think so? I don't know, though I'm not sure.
We live in. Hope.
They're also focusing on AI as well. They're they're projecting that a IPC. I don't know what an IPC is, but an IPC will constitute.
Hmm. That's a Cyborg basically.
25% of its shipments by 2025, which starts next year. Yeah. And then 80% by 2027. So they're all gonna have AI computers. I don't know what.
Hmm.
Well, isn't that interesting? Well, given out, well, given our attention spans, I'm so worried about AI. Not because I don't think it's a good thing just because just because I think I think that we're bad things. I mean, like AI is just out there learning and learning and learning.
That means.
We're just too dumb to know what it can do.
Do you know?
That's why I use my manners. That's why I always say Hello ChatGPT. How are you today? Thank you for the answers. I really appreciate your time.
Learning. Always be kind to the AI. Don't kick the Boston Dynamics robots.
Exactly as you know, you've got manners. You can stay.
Music is a little bit dead to me this week, but we will still do it. We'll still talk about what happened 20 years ago in mainstream music.
OK.
The Australian #1 Casey Donovan is at #1 with her single listen with your heart.
Listen to your soul.
To go.
Ohh please, the US top five sounded like this.
Black.
Don't get me wrong, I like Casey Donovan.
She was your favourite. You backed her.
Yes, she is my favourite on idol, but it just I mean. Anyway, here's the top five.
The whole time.
Size.
Think about it. You should. Me, love you. Let me give you everything you want. We haven't seen each other.
When the pimps in the crib, mom.
Drop it. It's hard. Drop it like it's hot. Drop it like it's hard. Like pigs try to get at you. Park it like it's hard. Park it like it's hard. Park it like it's hard.
Ohh well, there's some salvation. Actually. Trump it like it's hot. Number one. I Snoop Dogg number one, I reckon dime bag would approve of Snoop Dogg being number one would drop it like it's hot. In the. That's this time, 20 years.
Ago in at #2 Usher feat, Alicia Keys. My Boo. Let me love you, Mario. In at #3, over and over. Nelly #4 and lose my breath. Destiny's Child #5. So same as last week. Just a little bit of a reshuffle.
Bit of a cute. Switcheroo churn, I was going to say and Snoop Dogg being #1. Is good to be like.
Yes, yes.
I mean his grandpa, you know, I mean, was a gangster now he's just. Grandpa, which gives us all hope.
He's a GPA. Ain't nothing but a GPA baby.
A jeeper. I love that. Ohh, that's gold. Did you come up with that yourself?
Thank. I did but then.
That's you need to. Somebody's going to steal that and make it their own. And I think we just need to let it be on the record that Gee Par came directly from that horse. I'm not calling you a horse from Mel over there. Yes.
OK, great. Thanks. Yeah, it's good. I liked it. New number one in the UK.
The tables turn. Would you survive?
Here's to them underneath that.
You ain't.
Let's give a little help to the. Hopeless what?
Well, a new old #1.
Ah. So remember, band aid, the Bob Geldof. I know a re recording of the band aid song originally released in 1984. They've trotted it out 20 years later in 2004.
Charity charity charity charity.
I love that they say it's. The It's the 20th anniversary because in my mind.
Hmm.
Today is the 20th anniversary of 19.
I know, right? So it's like.
84. That's.
Wrong. It's the 20th anniversary of 1984 now. Now.
But it's not. And we're oldest. Yeah. No. So it's like, 40 years since 1984, when band aid first released. Do they know it's Christmas? And then they decided to get a whole bunch of new musicians together to virtue signal 20 years after the fact. I don't even know of virtue signalling.
Oh no, it's not. No, no, no.
Charity charity.
Was a thing in 2004, but looking back at it. Definitely was, so they did this to mark the 20th anniversary of that release and raise money for famine relief in Sudan's Darfur region, which which is, and also the efforts in Ethiopia are apparently it had a conga line of heads in there. Sorry, musicians. Charity. Yes. Yes.
Hey. Chris Martin of Coldplay.
I'll play yes.
Dido. Yeah, she's alright. Yeah, she's alright. Robbie Williams. He's.
Alright, Bobby's Good island's favourite tax Dodger bono.
From.
Just stone.
Justin, Will Young Paul McCartney.
Fran Healey.
Ohh from Travis yeah.
Ohh, why does it always rain on me Travis?
Look, I actually think too there was sugar babes busted who? I hate Snow Patrol. But I'm sure.
Who was rapping?
That I I think I don't know, but I think I heard Justin from the darkness in there as well. It's you know, I mean what are you gonna do if you're a musician? Right. And you've got profile. It's like, hey, do you want to be?
That's good.
And you get asked to do.
That.
Part of this.
You're gonna look like a if you say no, aren't you? You're gonna be guilted into the charity.
Exactly right. Exactly also.
Yes.
Though it did become the biggest selling single of the year in the UK, the 200,000 copies in the first week, so they raised money. They did. They did a good thing for charity.
Right. Charity. Fantastic.
Millions of pounds, millions of pounds continue the legacy.
Yes, yes. And that's what it's all. About right, yeah. And then I looked at and I I look at how much tickets to Coldplay costs in 2024, and I think, man, you could help a lot of ******* people in Sudan with that money anyway.
Inspiring social change. Humanitarian.
That's.
Yeah, they raised money for humanitarian efforts and whatnot. Now here's somebody who needed some humanitarian aid. If I'm being honest.
That reminds me, it's getting warmer again so I can pull out that sun shade.
For the car.
Ohh yeah, we've got the sun shade with Paris Hilton, Britney Spears and Lindsay Lohan and.
It's the photo of that iconic that iconic paparazzi photo of them sitting in the front of the car is our sun shade. It's like sitting in our car. I love it. Very good.
Yes.
Yes, and it it makes it look like they're all sitting in our car, which is kind of great. So. So Lindsay Lohan releases her debut album Speak, which is sound advice because she really can't.
Yes.
Ohh, she can't. She's a great talker. I don't.
Really.
Think she gives him?
I listen to the full album today.
Just.
It's alright.
I don't really.
OK, that's rumours that was very overproduced, that single. But if you listen to the rest of it, there's something about. There's something about, you know, how she's got that raspy.
Yes, yeah, yeah. Really look.
Kind of voice got quite a deep, raspy voice.
Ohh from yeah from from smoke and meth. Yeah, it does. It has that effect on your ********, is it?
No, that's her natural voice. It's her natural voice. There's a lot of songs that. Are pretty good. Yeah, pretty good.
OK.
Speak. And again, this is another rumours. There's another song at the time I was like, whatever. But that's going in the playlist.
What's that like? A Fleetwood Mac album title? Rumours. Actually. What? What's what's what genre like, is it all just that? Really? It's a bit of everything.
Yeah, it was. All, all of them, all of the genres. Pop, rock, dance, pop, arena rock, soft rock ballads, club tracks. Rock and fuse songs. Affecting a range of emotions and experiences.
Right. How did it chart?
It did well. I think it debuts at #4 on the US Billboard 200. Well, we still got the the Jay-Z, Lincoln Park and at number one, you're not gonna bump.
OK. I I actually think I'm being a bit harsh because she is probably one of the patron states of the podcast, Lindsey.
That, sorry.
Thank you. Sold over 261,000 copies in its first week.
I and I do feel like that song rumours is a bit of a cry for help.
Certified platinum. Yeah, sold. Over 1.1 million copies.
You've gotta remember, too, back in 2004, the paparazzi and the tabloids were up Lindsay Lohan's ****. They were all over her.
In the US.
She hasn't been she. Had the big fights with Paris, but I think a lot of that was just put on just for the paparazzi. One of them called the other one a C word on camera.
Well, I mean, friends do that in Australia. That means you're really good friends. Exactly.
That was funny. Didn't mention Beth mates, no. And then they ended up in the car together. But I think they pulled her into the. Car just to. Protect her from the paparazzi, which now became that iconic photo. So I think it's nice.
Yes, well, she had this thing. She had this thing where she wouldn't wear, you know, underwear and stuff. And they'll be waiting for her to get out of the car. That was terrible. That was hideous. That was really horrible behaviour. It's just, I just. I don't get that I don't get. I don't get treating young people like that. It's very odd. And you know what?
All the upskirting the upskirting. I know how gross is that.
And that's what this Brittany movie that we spoke about last week. I think it's gonna have a lot of commentary on that kind of early 2000s. There's a book as well.
Yeah.
I can't remember what it's. But there is a book about how a lot of those pop stars were treated.
Well, you know, you look at the the Diddy stuff and the R Kelly stuff and and all of the all of the crap is just starting to rise to the surface. It's like they can't keep a lid on it forever. Like the truth, I hope continues to come out and.
Yes.
And I think the saddest part about it is none of it shocks. Me.
Yeah.
None of it at all shocks. Me. It's just gross.
Yeah. And I think for Lindsay, she she was one of the Disney stars. So she was in parent trap.
Well, she had no chance then, really.
And she she was a really. Good actor like she and and.
Was actually.
She was great in Mean Girls.
I love that film and she was great in that. It is an awesome movie. Yep.
Really, really good. And then branches off into music. So she'd recorded as well. I think for a couple of other albums that this wasn't even though this was her debut album. I think she'd sung on a few soundtracks to movies and things like that, and the full album is not terrible. It was actually.
Really. There is there. Is like a stage mum behind that.
Child. Ohh, what's her name? Dina. Dina. Was it Dina? She was in the tabloids.
Making her life a living shell. Yeah, I think so.
More like she was, yeah.
Yeah, well, she's jealous. I think of her daughter. You know, I just. Yeah, I think so.
She's a bit funny.
But the same.
For Britney and you look at all of those artists in the Mickey Mouse club. I don't think any of them would have chosen that for themselves at that age. I think a lot of them.
Hmm.
I reckon if you had a set.
Would. Just trotted out.
I think in in hindsight, if you if you're like that matrix thing like the blue pill or the red pill, I think if you stood in front of a lot of these people right now and you said OK. Behind the red pill is all the fame and fortune that you've had and then some. But behind the blue pill is a happy childhood. I think all of them would take the blue pill, every single one of them, without a doubt.
Hmm. Hmm.
I think so. I think a lot of them were just pushed into that kind of career. Yeah, but back to the album speak. It was actually released on vinyl a couple of years ago. Urban Outfitters does these limited releases with all of these crazy vinyls, so. The actual album it's so early 2000s is really bright purple, and then it's got like little zarks and skull and cross bones. I think it's got the funny S and it's it's very cool. An Urban Outfitters did a a limited vinyl release and it was like a see through purple vinyl and the same colour. It's the cover.
Hmm.
Umm. And I think it was a limited run. Of. About thousand 2000, I don't know, but they're going for a. Lot on eBay now. Yeah, yeah.
Really. Well, that's interesting because. Yeah, people will buy anything on eBay, won't they? Let's go to music news. Come on, keep it rolling.
Oh, what do we have? Oh, the Billboard Music Awards.
Ohh, another Music Awards. Didn't we have the VMA's or something? It must be awards season where Anna Nicole disgraced herself.
What was the the Anna Nicole one? Well, this one, they had an Anna Nicole impersonator carrying on at it that was hosted by Seacrest out. I think it was in poor taste. It was hosted by Ryan Seacrest, though. He's trying to turn it into.
Ohh really that's. I don't think that's OK.
Something he's trying to be. Funny and.
A platform, yeah.
High fiving blind people. I love that. That was it. I love that. That was a question in trivia. Yes, for Thursday.
That's what he did, yeah. Yes, if you haven't seen it, go and Google Ryan Seacrest attempting to high 5A blind person on American Idol.
It actually ended up in in your trivia, yeah.
All it went to.
Can't believe that.
Air. Seacrest is ours, so he did the he hosted it. He was the host. Yep, well, he was a big deal back then. He was a big deal in music. He was a major player.
Seacrest staff.
He was the. Host. Yeah, he was trying to be funny. Well, he was. He was. And he was.
They're on.
Just starting to his own production company, the reality.
Host of American Idol.
He.
Started the Kardashians.
Yes, God, he'd be no wonder. He doesn't do much now. He's probably laughing all the. Way to the bank, it's fine.
Didn't he have a stroke on camera last year? Yes. Yeah. Something happened. He had a moment. I don't know.
Did it really?
If it was a. Stroke. But I if something happened, he was on camera.
And he something he had an episode.
He had a he had a bit of a moment. I I don't know if it was a stroke or it. Was something like that and he just like, stopped. And yeah, everyone was very worried about him. He's fine. He's fine anyway.
Is he alright now? Well, that's good. That's good. Well, he was hosting the the Billboard Awards.
You're hosting this one? Yes. So who do we think won? All the awards.
Asha.
Ohh.
Usher he would have won all the awards all year, like and and this is the thing I said, jaded by the time this thing came around that I could not care less about any of it. 13 awards for Russia artists the year Billboard 200 artists the year Hot. 100 artists, the years album, Confessions and single. Yeah, featured little John and Ludacris. Which we have recognised across the board, probably go on that Spotify List we were talking about. Alicia Keys obviously secured a whole bunch of awards as well. She was on an usher song. She was a female artist of the year R&B hip hop, singles artist, etcetera.
They were particularly recognised according to the content.
Fair enough.
Outcast one again, which is great. I think that's good. And then Kanye West, of course, was the new male artist of the Year Back when Kanye was likeable.
Ohh what he's first hitting the scene? Who is this guy?
Everyone loved him. Yes. And then and then Ashley Simpson was the new female artists of the year. And there's all these categories and they're all wonderful. But how about this category?
I've been.
Many people here tonight with us have cell phones. Let's see. Hopefully they're all set to vibrate now. Music, ringtones are the fastest growing sector of the music business. Today, more people actually download the most popular ringtones every week than download the most popular single. It is that big. So this year Billboard introduced a weekly ringtone shark. It's the only ringtone. In the US and tonight, we make history by announcing the first ever ringtone of the year. Or rather, I'll let it announce itself. Go ahead. That's right, the rap hit in the club by $0.50 is the winner. We tried to call fiddy, but I guess he couldn't hear. His phone in the club.
Seacrest out I, at the time doing a ringtone of the I was almost offended by that.
Lawrence.
But if you put it in the context, right?
Think about the money spent on ringtones back then.
Right. By today's standards, a better. A. Better any money that artists got bigger kickbacks from ringtones than what they do now from streaming.
Absolutely. And like I when I was trying to get lean back as my ringtone, I would. So pay 20 bucks for a ringtone these days and to have to go through what I had to. Go through to.
Make my own. Yeah, but you're one of those people who like a a ringtone isn't just for today. It's for life.
Yes.
It's like a pet, like you'll keep it for two decades before you change it.
Yeah, but there's just so much effort involved in creating your own ring. I would happily pay $20 per ringtone to not have to deal with.
That.
At back to Ashley Simpson for a second so she wins female artist of the year and this has come just after the Saturday Night Live lip syncing. So she got a lot of booze. I watched that bit, she came out and.
OK.
There were people booing her and she did big thank you and just thanking everyone. And then at the end of. It which I thought could.
Saw.
Well. But also it was a bit awkward.
Hmm.
She goes and I've got some advice for you if you're ever just like feeling embarrassed and everything's going wrong, here's what you can do. And then she goes. You can do a little jig. And she did the jig that she did from Saturday Night Live. So she basically paid herself out in her.
Run 7 now, right? Hmm, self deprecating.
Acceptance, I thought. Good on you for owning it, but also bit weird.
I think it rings an alarm bell. I think that girl was clearly traumatised by that experience and by no means was over it.
I think so too.
No, and it's. I still don't think it's necessarily fully her fault, but yes, it was interesting anyway.
Look, I'm by no means over the fact that Ryan Seacrest tried to high 5 the blind guy on American Idol. You really need to Google that. Let's. The entertainment, movies, TV parts at the box office, number one in the US is National Treasure, which is the one where Nicolas Cage is gonna steal the Declaration of Independence, which I watched the other day.
Did you like the Nicolas Cage blanket I found on teamer? I think I wanna buy it. I didn't even go on Teemo, Teemo went on to good reads.
I love that you're going to team U. You can get a.
And I was reading reviews of a good Reed's book and up popped this blanket. It's like novelty face blanket. I'm like that. Novelty faces Nicolas Cage.
Get in there and buy it. Before Trump introduced tariffs. To China, it's the entire Nicolas Cage face in doona form. It really is a sight to behold and the movie wasn't bad either. It was the big stupid popcorn fun. It was great. In Australia we had a a new number one at the box office from the creators of South Park.
It's amazing. Is amazing. It's a national treasure. Do you enjoy it? Second time round.
This film was just.
Great.
For anyone, it was like Thunderbirds they were using, I couldn't believe. Steve, that a film with marionettes could go to number one in the Australian box office, but here we are in 2004 with Team America World Police.
Hmm.
Last week in Paris, we caught 4 terrorists with a weapon of mass destruction. We have to find out who sold it to them. Our only hope is to have somebody act like a terrorist. We need an actor. And they say you're the best.
I've got 5 terrace going SE on bakalaka Daka St. Soon every country will be in complete chaos, and so you see the new world is inevitable.
To save the world from falling apart.
It's what?
Inevitable.
One more time.
Inevitable things are inevitably going to change.
One team.
Must pull together.
All right, let's move.
It's too soon to be having feelings for.
You maybe feelings of feelings because we can't control them.
And turned the Earth's darkest moment.
Three more studies to follow.
I'm not gonna let it end like this.
Into mankind's finest hour.
There's too many of.
Them this isn't about sex, Gary. It's about trust.
All right, let's make this interesting.
I reckon they have a lot of fun recording those voiceovers.
Hmm.
I'm sure they have a lot of fun.
A lot of them sound very South Park. You, don't they?
The big satirical action comedy that was released. It was actually released on in October, bu