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The year is 2004... Your polyphonic ringtone habit is sending you broke. George W Bush is sworn in for a second term. And in spite of everything going on, the most controversial thing is a wardrobe malfunction at the superbowl?
T minus 20, rewind to this week in history 20 years ago with Joe and Mel.
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The year is 2004. Your polyphonic ringtone habit is sending you broke. Yeah, George W Bush is sworn in for a second term, and in spite of everything going on, the most controversial thing is a wardrobe malfunction at the Superbowl. T -, 20 rewind 20 years with Joe and Mel.
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Back to 2004, but we're in summer programming with your host, Joe and Mel. Hello Mel.
Hello. Yes, it's like when the TV station's buy those shows that don't rate and then they go what are we going to do?
Yeah, that's right.
I want to shove them on over the summer.
And in the in the tradition that we have maintained with this show for the last almost four years now, we have never not put out an episode in that time every week like clockwork.
It's a lot of pressure twisters, so sometimes.
So I'm not gonna lie to you, it's reruns it's reruns for the entire episode. Taking a peek through some of the better bits, I might say best because that's a that's a long bond draw, but some of the better bits.
Ohh.
Yes.
Of things that we have done over the past year, including.
Yeah.
Including all you're looking at me to to tell us what it's including.
Yes.
OK.
Well, we're gonna.
Revisit the Nick and Jess variety hour.
Well, that's good.
Jessica Simpson and Nicola Shea.
Uh huh.
It was a show that we wanted to hate, but we didn't.
Yep, yes, I know.
We quite enjoyed it, dude.
We loved it. It was wonderful and it's you can find it on YouTube if you wanna go and dig it up and enjoy it. When when there's nothing else on to watch.
We're also gonna. Visit a really big premier from 2004 Desperate Housewives.
Yep, that was a great show that we all loved and adored. Does it stand up though? Well, you've probably found out last time you heard it on the show, but you can listen to it again just to be sure.
Listen again and ****** gate was probably one of the biggest pop culture scandals of 2004 and save the. Early 2000s.
That's right.
Let's be honest.
Just like the promo says, a wardrobe malfunction at the Superbowl.
Yeah, we had a lot. We had a lot to say about that.
So there it is. Strap yourselves in.
This.
Strap yourselves in for the next hour and a half where you can read. We have some of the better parts of our. Show and we'll see you. On the flipside right then? Yep.
Slow jams with a little Anita and it sounds like Anita, I swear a little and intense.
Aleta, not a metre.
I don't know who Anita is. And now I feel like there's no Anita that they would know, that they'd listen to, don't recall of any.
No.
Any Anita there was Sunita.
And they said no, maybe like some Swedish pop Anita.
There was a senator. She's on Chibok shipbob 1988.
Yes, yes, not her now.
But no little soon, Sir.
It's tusmore Avaya Latino. Yeah, it was a liar. A little alia will really set his party off, right?
Well, it sounds like a measure space should pronounce the ate a bit better.
Cause that's what I'm thinking when I'm going through. What am I gonna do to set this party off right? I've got all these people in my house, all these people in my house.
A little Angel. I just need a little Anita.
I've got some jazz and I've set out a little party, Susan, with some jazz and some dips.
If a later short. Party, Susan.
Yeah, United now, the United Tupperware party.
Not a Lazy Susan.
Susan doesn't spin.
So is that like a drunk, lazy season?
No, it's just the Tupperware thing and it's got the the did. In the middle and then you can put some cabanossi in one side.
Is that colder party, Susan, and you can put a lid on it in a handling carriers.
I don't know. I think that, well, that's what my man.
That's a party season.
That's what my nanny used to call it.
Well, then it's not a party's losing.
And she probably not at the correct terminology, but but I'm carrying the torch. You.
No, I don't think so. That sounds like a really good time.
You've got your parties. You gotta party, Susan, and you've got a little Anita. Well, that's so you need.
I'm saying I'm thinking of my party, Susan, couple of jazz crackers. Some deep in the middle and some cabanossi to really set this party off rides. She don't make.
Good with the Cavanaugh, see. And that. Yeah, you'd cut it up. With you and the little round.
Yeah.
Yeah. And you put it. On the jats. Yeah, maybe with a bit of cheese, Kevin.
No, it's the thing that would. Go first the cabin.
Aussie I know and then be repeating on you all night.
Elsie Cabanossi Cuba those big cheese, the bigger cheese cubes.
You're pain on your likes and bicarb soda.
That back in the day, back in, that's like 80s.
Party, Susan.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Yeah.
I've never heard of that.
Then, if you really want to sit the party off right at the end.
Club life.
No, after dinner mints.
Ohh.
That's only for the.
It's you.
Rich people black box with the little paper.
Wait.
Each one came into paper envelope.
Well, we would never let.
We would never like to have it, but like my my rich auntie. Would always have them. I loved going to her house cause she. Have Patti and she had a fireplace.
Yeah. Wow.
And then and she had test Test match cricket.
Patti in a fireplace really set this party up.
You know that game with the cricket?
The Test match.
Yeah, that was really expensive.
Yeah, it's better, really, said the body upright.
And then we'd get. We'd get an after dinner mint and I was like, is this what it's?
The damage came in that racy black box and then and the little flimsy like paper envelopes per 50 min.
Like to be rich. Yay. That's a big sensual wasn't it? Never thought of it like that.
This is just not ever had.
But your keys in the bowl.
After didn't have enough to determine before we retire to the.
Yeah.
Jeez.
Wow.
Ohh, that took a turn.
This is the story that everybody that people were talking about this story years on from it occurring.
They're still talking about it.
Exactly who's the biggest news event of 2004, in spite of all the other stuff that's going on, like the promo says.
Hmm.
The wardrobe malfunction that shocked the world, otherwise known as nipplegate.
HM.
So let's set the scene.
OK, it's the Superbowl.
It's the Superbowl.
There's a lot of X's and V's. What number was it?
I can't remember, but it's in Houston, TX. The Patriots playing the Panthers.
Reliant stadium.
Reliance stadium. Yes, is before they had NRG Stadium. So this is Reliant Stadium.
Half time show this time round is produced by MTV. I think this is the first time MTV has produced the half time entertainment.
And I will say probably the last as well.
I feel like you're correct. There, and this is an election year 2004.
Hmm.
So they wanted to theme it around motivating and encouraging the young people to vote.
Right.
Just.
Um, I don't know how they did it through these various acts in the half time entertainment. I think maybe before the acts I think maybe before the entertainment started there might have been a screen and maybe a few celebs like vote.
Sir, encouraging people to vote.
Ohh and prayed for motion. Hmm. Hmm, because there's.
Please vote, you should vote vote.
See.
Go on. Vote.
Yeah. OK.
Election vote. Um, but that's not in the rebound.
Maybe they should have shown a box instead of a *****.
Then you should.
Anyway. Cause you tick them when you're voting.
I didn't know that the half time show cause I've I've only ever just watched the moment like most people and I didn't care for the Superbowl back then.
Yes. Yeah.
All the half time entertainment I've only ever started watching it recently with you because you're interested in it. I didn't care for it back in 2000, so I've only ever seen the steel. Lots of of what happened at the end, but there was more.
Right.
I I thought. It was just Justin and Janet, but it wasn't.
Ohh no. Was an.
It was an extravaganza.
They really was.
They was Nellie. Pay Diddy.
Yes.
Hmm.
Kid Rock. Just simps, Janet and justice say let's let's let's set the scene.
Barely.
Yes.
You're gonna do you blow by blow.
It starts, it starts with Jessica Simpson in a marching band Esque outfit like the hat and a skimpy outfit and the feathers and she counts as in.
OK, so to speak, yes.
Yeah.
Yes.
Cheers 10.
Ohh, there's the choose thing is choose to party.
That's that's all she does.
Well, that's not really on message.
So she's listed on she's listed in that in the entertainment, but all she just does is yell for a second. All she does is. Just yell for a second and then.
But they wanted to choose to vote. And she just went choose to party.
That.
So just blew the key message straight out the window.
Goin don't vote, don't get smashed.
Choose to party. Don't worry about voting.
Hmm.
Choose to party. OK, good.
But that was.
Right.
I like the way. You move found by marching band.
Yes. Yes, it was good.
That sounded quite good. I didn't.
Mind that right?
Was a good start off to a good start to. Suggest just Samson didn't sing either, which is probably even better.
Janet not that's it.
Yeah, she's gone.
Just seems is dumb for the evening.
That's the only appearance she mates. Yep.
See all done $10 million.
Thank you, Janet. Pops out from behind a curtain, singing all for you. So that was a big song, 2002, 2003.
Yes, yes. And that they were looting to, I think, what's to come at the finale?
Well, there's a lot of this. There's a fair bit of **** touching happenings in.
There's a little hands on breasts. Yes, covered breasts.
There was a guy behind her and he looked like he was just sort of. Is adjusting in a way which is.
Can't remember you had that album too, where there was the. Hands on the breasts.
She had her hands in the air and there was someone behind her.
Yes. Covering her *****. Cans.
Yeah.
Yes. Yeah.
It was quite racy for the time. That was like gone.
Yeah. Well, I mean, I mean the writing's on. The wall here.
Hi Chan so there's a bit we've already got, we.
Do you know what I mean? These are all the warning signs.
We've had Jess simps in a skimpy outfit.
Yeah.
We've got some **** touching during all for you.
Hmm.
Did he comes out with his bad boy for life and then part way through?
Hmm.
There's some. Ohh Daddy, you're so fine. You're so fine. You blow my mind.
The this. Hey did ohh you suck dinosaur.
Thank you, Mama, right now.
You're.
So. The.
So then they they bring out the it's daddy's doing.
Ohh guys I'm ditties and then they go.
His thing didn't do much either, though, really.
To Nelly. Diddy Diddy's ugly dancing. You know he does it. Yeah, it's like he's dancing is the ugliest.
He just found a dance.
Dancing I have ever seen. I mean, he doesn't like his kind of like he's joints are kind of clicking in properly.
This. You wait till.
Isn't that called popping and locking in the OK?
No, it's not.
It's not. It's it's ugly.
It's very unattractive and I think he should do something about it anyway.
France.
So then Nelly comes in and he's doing is.
But he was starting a big, heavy, thick fur coat as well, so it's kind of limited in what it.
And then Nelly comes out Woe Nelly in a in a tank top. Ohh, I forgot how ripped Nellie was.
Ohh come come yourself.
Thank you very much. Self. But then there's cheerleaders behind Nelly while he's doing hot and her.
Hmm.
And they're wearing tank tops and a skirt, right?
Yes.
And then halfway through like this, they're working around. They RIP off their tank tops and skirts skirts.
And they just swearing like short shorts and crop tops.
So again, here we go, ripping some clothes off.
Spurts and shirts.
So, you know, are we really surprised they've ripped their clothes off and then they keep dancing?
Hmm.
Daddy comes back. He does some more of that ugly Diddy dancing.
But he doesn't, did he? Doesn't actually. Do anything on the microphone.
Dirty snow did.
Doesn't.
He sang. Did he sang?
Ohh can't remember.
Did he?
OK.
Well, he started with bad boy for life.
Yeah, sure.
And then he went home. And then they did the I don't know what they want from me.
At this at this stage.
More money, more, more money. More problems?
Ohh right at this stage I'm in the toilet.
Mo money, mo problems.
OK, I'm in the toilet because I've I wanna pee and get ready.
But you would have no you would have come running out really quickly and kicked your toe on the coffee table.
For the second half.
Cause Kid Rock came.
Ohh.
You like Kid Rock? He comes out and he's dressed as a pimp.
The.
He's got, like, a pimp hat. He's got a. Big coat. And then he rips off his coat and he's turned an American flag into a poncho.
Hmm.
Right, which?
Resulted in a few angry letters.
Little bit, that's desecration.
Well, yes, Kid Rock. Half time Superbowl. That's right. You're welcome.
Teach.
Show just north of New York intensive. Look.
At this stage I feel like it's spiralling down a little bit. This performance is spiralling down and we actually need to restore some dignity. To the half time performance and I think that you need to bring Janet Jackson back into the fold.
Hmm. Ring.
Ring the sensible.
Listen and and actually do some classic Janet.
Yes. Well, classic janets occurs. She comes back out and she performs rhythm Nation. So thank you for saving the day back to what was that 90s, early 90s with the nation we are.
Very empowering, inspiring song, yes. Yeah, we are a part of a rhythm nation, it bit of unity going on here.
Yeah, it on those people hanging off scaffolding and all kinds of things.
Hmm.
She is wearing. A T so.
So this is I didn't even know.
Any of this had occurred?
Really. OK.
No, I all I knew was the bit at the end. So we've we've had a lot. There's a lot that happened.
It's a bit going on.
Shannock comes back out.
It's, they cram a lot. It's like 15 to 20 minutes. I mean, it's a long half time break and. This is you can.
Hmm.
Completely change the course of the game, which I find frustrating because you know it's basically like starting another game of football again when you get back on the second half. But anyway, carry on.
She comes out. She's wearing okay her outfits. Kind of. It's hard to describe because it looks like she's wearing. Kind of like this long sleeved pleather leather skirt over jeans.
Just say something at a parts of the Caribbean.
Then it's, um, it's kind of steampunky. It's kind of bit gothy.
Yeah.
Yeah, but what it actually is is a bodysuit like a black shiny leather bodysuit, course city.
Feels like a corset corset here.
And it's got a red bra underneath, but then it connects to like it goes up high on the. Neck like a skivvy. It's got long sleeves. It's got long hangy bits and then just got. Some pants, but there's of. Course, that's the most important. We've got corsets.
So the black said the close up white puffy shirt under the closely no.
No. No. Just so there's cut outs. So there's cuts above the breasts.
Brother's Cardiff's OK. Yes. Hmm.
Course it cut.
Out above the breast. Red Lacy bra just poking out the top.
Poke.
You can sort of see underneath.
Just a little little bit suggestive.
Yeah, I'm hearing.
You know classy, not ******. So then.
Then she's done rhythm Nation and.
We're all like ohh my gosh, yes, I forgot.
All of us are we are all part of a rhythm nation.
You are such an icon. Forget all for you. We're part of a rhythm nation black cat.
Yeah.
All of that classic, Janet.
Hmm.
And we're just reliving the good times, the good 90s vibes, and then this clown pops up from under the stage beatboxing.
Time.
Ohh.
That's about ohh.
You're welcome.
I'm outside getting the new.
I just want to point something out here. At this stage you have heard the crowd going absolutely berserk in the background there, right? If you watch the video of the performance, yes, the Crown are not going.
Hmm.
That is, they have piped that sound in.
Like I can you not be super bomb? We don't bait folks at the.
They have piped the crowd noise in to sound like they're all going bananas when most of them are getting out of their seats, stretching their legs, going for a piece in a hot dog.
Super before. Not appropriate.
Also.
Thank God for away.
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Also, he's not live beatboxing his lip, syncing to his own beatboxing, yes.
What?
He slips, singing to his own beatboxes he.
Was.
Yeah, that's the.
Ohh my goodness.
That's the exact beatboxing from the CD.
There it it did.
That's not life beatboxing.
Look, look, it did look a bit lip syncing. I have to.
That was no Spittal flying out.
Say that keep. Kid Rock was live.
I think he was.
He was definitely.
The only one that was.
Live.
Maybe was Janet.
Ohh.
No.
Jessica was live with her scream.
We'll just give it all she did was squawk. Let's get this party started or some. Crap like that, yeah.
Ohh that you know you don't. Like it wrong word so.
Anyway, let's move on.
So they have history okay, so they he was in *NSYNC and they performed. They were the opening act for tour in the late 90s, so they know each other.
Hey, Janet. They toured me right. There's two of buddies. Yep.
They know each. So back to the beatboxing. Beatboxing, and then they go into rock. Your body and watching it back now, it's kind of weird because she is just sort of kind of strutting around the stage with him. She's not performing. She's finished. She's done.
Dude, she's started doing backups for him. Backups.
Rhythm nation. She's kinda lips sticking. The talk to me, boy, but she's not actually singing it. And there's just this sort of backwards and forwards choreographed walking around, and then all of a sudden he's dancing around.
Yeah.
And then he stops.
This is the end of the song, right? This is the end of the song, yeah.
We're getting towards the end getting very close to the end. He suddenly stops. He looks a little awkward.
Yeah.
And then we all. Know what happens at the end of this song.
Well, it is the one he goes gonna have you naked by the end of this song. And then he grabs the the.
He grabs so he uses his left hand and he grabs at her right ****.
Hey.
Yes, and he.
Great.
Rips the corsets and he rips not only the corset, but the red bra bit underneath.
Yes.
Hmm.
Of course.
So there's also like it, it looks a. Little awkward and it looks like he's kind of thinking through it, and he's not too sure. And maybe this wasn't part of rehearsal, but also he's right handed and he's reached across with his left hand.
Hmm.
And you know when you try to do something. With the opposite hand, that's always awkward.
You reckon?
Yes.
Ohh paragraphed to make I have to say. They look pretty.
It looked no, that bit looked really clunky.
Do you think?
It looked clunky cause like it if it was part of. A dance move. You would have done something bit more rhythmic with your arm and he just does this awkward reach across and kind of grab and and. Then he looked shocked. Sheep would to hand over a **** and I think we saw we saw a ******. It was called a starburst ****** shield around a ****** 916th of a second, nine sixteenths of a second that was on TV4 in front of 140 million viewers.
Hmm.
Yes, I was. The. Though. Yeah. And it was kind. It wasn't. It wasn't like a close up of her chest. It was like a sort of a. I don't know. It was. It was from a distance. You could kind of see.
You just you saw it flop out and you saw her put her hand over it. But you couldn't.
This Janet book Janet Jackson's ***** flopped out at that stage in her career.
It kind of fell a little bit, yeah.
Haven't they bounced out?
Yeah.
OK.
It's sort of bounced out.
There was a bit of gravity involved. But do you, when you watched it, she you didn't really see too much because she quickly put her hand over. It's only the still shots now that are all across the Internet where you see where you can actually see close ups. People have obviously done still shots and zoomed in and you see the ****** shield and you see the nip and you see everything and so he looks up.
Ohh yes.
He's got the corset and the red lace in his hand and he's kind of looking a little oaks and then they cut away and then they. Do the firework display.
It's a very detailed explanation of something that takes place in a matter of seconds. It is extremely quick and yeah, the fireworks all go off.
Hmm.
And and 140 million people are watching it. And the outrage was phenomenal, to the point where it became the biggest news story of the time for such a long time to come.
And the world was waiting for a response from her. But she immediately flew out of Houston following her performance before the Superbowl even ended. Her spokesperson then called the Reveal a malfunction of the wardrobe. It was not intentional, went on to say that Justin was supposed to pull away the bustier. So the black part of the corset and leave the red lace bra, which was obviously also in his hand. She also then admits that neither MTV or CBS had any role or previous knowledge in the incident, saying that this was a late addition during their final rehearsal.
My decision to change the Superbowl performance was actually made after the final rehearsal in TV CBS, the NFL had no knowledge of this whatsoever, and unfortunately the whole thing went wrong in the end. I am really sorry if I offended anyone. That was truly not my intention.
That I call ******** on all of this anyway. So she's been made to apologise there and take the fall for it.
Hmm.
She's the only person that issued a statement after the fact as well.
Hmm.
At this stage they had over 200,000 viewers of the Superbowl contacting the FCC. The Federal Communications Commission in the states to complain about this performance.
People, it's 9 sixteenths of a second of *** like, honestly.
Hmm. Well, there was one particular person that rang up.
Yes.
Yeah. And I've got a copy of the recording of her here.
How if they say this is Lois one star, I'm just ringing up to complain about what I've just seen on the Superbowl. I'm absolutely shocked and appalled, and as far as putting a review on this performance and given the fact that I could see one star on that particular ******, it's one star from me and an absolute disgrace.
All right, let's just one example of, you know, particularly irate.
Yeah.
You know, I mean and it's, you know, it's like I said over 200,000 complaints, the court documents revealed that actually in the end there was over 540,000 people, half a million people complaining with SCC about it.
The.
Ohh.
Although they're saying that it was inflated by conservative and watchdog groups, who they then rallied, so they rallied a whole bunch of people to complain they're like.
Ohh yes.
Everybody, pick up your pitchforks and torches and call the FCC.
U.
We can kinda have those ******* on our TV during the Superbowl.
FC chairman Michael Powell this time called the Nip Slip a classless, crass and deplorable stunts and promised to take further action. CBS is fined $550,000 by the FCC, which was the largest. The fine of its kind at the time and then following that I think, well, I think following that they upped the fine to something like 5 million to.
That's a half million dollar ******. A $5 million.
People.
Yeah, to stop something like that happening into the future because they thought, you know, I would $50,000 as far as marketing and promotions goes pretty cheap. So they were worried that people would copy that and pull other outrageous stunts, so they upped it to five mil after that. America Online was the sponsor of the half time entertainment, so that's obviously the Internet company. They paid around $10 million to sponsor the entertainment.
Yes. Well, you know, like Superbowl advertising is big bikkies.
Like and I think that was part of the reason why they didn't cut the feed straight away, because they still had to play the sponsor credit at the end of the half time entertainment.
Yes, this ****** brought to you by America.
So. Had that.
Fine.
Well, everybody was trying to find it online afterwards. They could have been a really nice crossover promo opportunity, but so I think the reason that they didn't cut the feed was because they had to play the sponsor credits.
Hmm.
They then said, well, we've paid 10. Million for this. We want a refund from the NFL because we don't want to align ourselves with this. The NFL then says, well, we're not gonna give you your money back. We're not responsible. CBS or MTV should actually reimburse you.
Hmm.
McDonald's was also part of the sponsorship of the half time Entertain. And interestingly said it was inappropriate, but they decided to stick with Timberlake as their celebrity endorser because of all that, you know that I'm loving.
Well.
It was taken from a Justin Timberlake song.
Well, and you know, if you turn their logo upside down, looks like a pair of *****.
Ohh yes.
Tell us, pretty saggy ones.
You don't speak English.
Big *** thoughts still. Well, that's what happens if you have too many big Macs. Make your *****.
The NFL was upset that the Supper Bowl then was overshadowed by the half time performance. And they are extremely disappointed and said it was unlikely that MTV would produce another one.
Well, they didn't. And and I think Viacom. Which was the parent company of MTV. We're very angry that that, that that addition to the Superbowl performance cost them all of their future half time shows they hit back at Janet Jackson. She was blacklisted from any of me. Ohh, I'd feel like she was made like a total scapegoat by this whole thing.
Hmm hmm.
And as a consequence, it really affected her album sales, the airplay, all that stuff, because I just didn't play her. Stuff and they're a big media company in the states. They also disinvited her to the Grammys. You can't come now. You can't.
Hmm.
You go to ***** out on the TV and you're not allowed to come to the Grammys anymore, Janet.
You and your ***** are banned.
She was going to do a tribute to Luther Vandross at the Grammys as a big deal for that would have been a huge honour.
Hmm. Hmm hmm.
Justin also disinvited to the Grammys, but some. How was able to meet with the executives and suck up to them and apologise? And his band was lift lifted.
Yeah.
And he was allowed to go. How's that fair?
Yeah. Well, it's not really, but he was the Golden Boy at the time and she was the pop star. That was kind of.
Ohh well, she was she on the way out?
In the twilight of her career, perhaps.
It's.
Yeah.
I mean, that's a harsh thing to say I think.
But she wasn't. She wasn't as popular as she was in the 90s.
Could have been plenty of life in the old dog, yet you just need to give her a chance. Really.
But I think that the big question and I don't think to this day it's ever fully been answered was. Was it intentional or not?
Hmm.
And who knew about it? So straight after the performance, her publicist at the time. No comment. Justin Timberlake. I'm sorry. For what happened, the producer from MTV, who was also the first woman to produce a Superbowl half time show, said there wasn't supposed to be any reveal. There should not have even been an action moment or anything ever ripped off her body. The FCC chairman to this day, despite some ambiguity about who knew. I think we were relatively convinced that somehow those producing the show knew what was going to happen. Their story to this day was they have absolutely no idea and the artist just. Did this on their own.
Hmm. Umm alright, look, I think it was intentional for sure. I absolutely think it was. And the big thing that makes me think it's intentional is the fact that. I her ****** was dressed up. She put something on her ****** like she had, like the big sunburst thing. It was a big thing. It looked like a ninja star on there.
The body piercer actually has weighed in, so her stylist Wayne Scott Lucas, a couple of days out from the performance, went to a piercing shop in town and bought the Starburst ****** Shield and according to the body piercer, he said watch the half time show it's gonna be a surprise at the end.
Yes. Hmm. There you go. I die. Of course I knew it. That's enough validation for me, honestly.
Then the body piercer in the tailor. I think of the the key to this, this mystery.
Yeah.
They're the ones that are that have unravelled it, so the tailor, so the corset. Remember the course that we talked about that was kind of. This outfit? That was taken to a tailor, a local tailor, and he altered it.
Hmm.
And so they interviewed the Taylor. And they're like what happened? What did you alter? Why? How the Taylor says I signed the papers with Miss Jackson, not to release anything at all.
Not to release anything at all.
About the tailoring. So he was under a a confident and end and nd a confidentiality clause that you can alter this closet for Miss Jackson, but you can't tell anyone what you did or why.
Ice. It's got its embargo, non disclosure agreement, yes, yes. But don't tell anyone.
Aye.
So this is a massive conspiracy the likes of which we've never seen.
Is a big variety.
This is like JFK all over again.
Ohh I know, I know.
I I think there are only 9 I think, and I think the MTV producers.
Feel like murder? She wrote. Feel like Angela Lansbury right now?
The absolutely known what was going on and probably encouraged. It.
What?
Well, you saw the old Nelly. You're so fine ripping off their clothes, Kid Rock riffs rips off his pimp coat. There's a lot of **** grabbing like it just.
Everything.
It seems like the natural conclusion.
If you put it in the context you like, early 2000s everything was hypersexualised then like *********** was almost mainstream.
Hmm.
MTV was doing a lot of that sort of stuff. With like dieting shows and things like that, you've got like that that I don't know, like there's a lot of testosterone and oestrogen flying around in the air. Everything was very sexualised back then and I think that that was just an extension of that. I absolutely think that it was intentional and I'm pretty sure that there was more than one person. And involved the fact that Janet Jackson had to take the fall for it. I think he's pretty appalling considering a lot of people would have been involved.
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I did the NFL know about it. Maybe not, but it's very easy for them to distance themselves from it after the fact.
Maybe. So her stylist, who bought the piercing, is releasing a book, I think. I don't think it's out yet. I tried to. Have a look cold.
Of course he is. Hmm.
War Capital war flash drobe malfunctions.
That it's only about this is. That.
Ohh that this person was a stylist to the stars and it sequence on a reality show and.
There's a whole book. But that's the only thing anyone I mean.
We're really that's all we're.
Hmm, that's all anyone's gonna rate of it now.
Gonna read for isn't it?
It gives you.
According to the stylist. Hmm, the reveal had already been planned by Janet and her choreographer.
Rice.
Justin comes up to the stylist and he's all excited for his performance and he's like we gotta do something big. We've got to show something. Gotta make this happen. So the stylus says.
Okay, Justin, why don't you whip **** **** out?
It's like the style of says to Justin. Go practise your beatboxing and have. A chat to Janet. You go and talk. I don't want anything to do with this. You go and talk to Janet and see what happens. So as far as Justin knows, according to this stylist, it's Justin's idea because Justin wants to do something big and then goes to chat to Janet. But Justin doesn't know that Janet's already planned it with the choreographer.
Ohh, is that the stylist story?
This is the stylus version of events, so we don't.
Yeah, like that. Hmm.
Know if this is legit. This makes sense, though he goes on to say. Is that the stage lights were supposed to go dark at the moment that he tears away the top.
Right.
So he tears the top fades to black. Everything's covered. No one's really none the wiser. You just see a RIP and then black.
Then why would you? Why would you go and purchase a little star? A little ****** star to put on the ******.
Partly she wears them all the time. Apparently it's not out of the ordinary. That's.
Really. Just even when you're doing like, you know, high intensity choreography at the Superbowl, half it kind of gets in the way. Like this in 08 and S. Has it there? You wanna stab yourself in the booth?
That was supposed to be having naked by the end of this song on. Song, it was RIP. Fade to black. Fireworks didn't fade to black, so it's the it's the person who did the lightings fault then obviously.
Didn't fight to black. Everyone saw everything. It's the you know that there was the lone gunman on the grassy Knoll.
That's what it is.
Hey also then took the fall because they turned it into this is a wardrobe malfunction which made it sound like there was something wrong with the integrity of his costumes. So he actually lost a TV deal and lost.
Wow.
A lot of work. And he's saying, well, there actually wasn't anything wrong with the costume. It was meant to RIP away. We had it altered to do that, and if you watch, if you watch it back, there is a few points throughout Janet's.
Yeah.
Romances, where she's kind of touching around that area, and I'm wondering if she's just trying to make sure it's not. Going to. Fall off earlier.
Ohh, before the big violent.
Yeah, there's a few points where there's a bit of **** grabbing.
I'm going to have to go back and look at it again now. I don't really want to.
Yes, I do.
Who am I kidding? Look, it just went on for a long time. A year after it, there were these tech guys from PayPal up in Silicon Valley there and they were getting dinner. And they were discussing the whole thing. Janet Jackson's press this guy by the name of Chad Hurley. Steven Chen and Jawed very. And I will like saying. Ohh jeez, it's really hard to find any footage of this incident. We can't find it anywhere, so in 2004 in February, there's no such thing as viral videos.
Hmm.
You can't. You can't just go. Hey Siri. Hey Google, show me Janet Jackson's ****. So it's like if you missed it and you weren't typing the Superbowl, you didn't see it and everyone is talking about it and and and all that sort of stuff. But if you didn't record it like no chance of. Doing it so, Karim tells USA TODAY in 2006 that they were. They were talking to each other about how cool it would be to have an online site for people to share that video. It's always comes. Back to sex and nudity on the Internet.
Babes in random.
Really. *****? Yeah. I mean, they are. The world revolves around them. No, and that is pretty much how YouTube was born. Hmm. Isn't that amazing, even though it was thinly veiled with the first video being a trip to the zoo, the second thing was obviously the **** at the Superbowl and. Well, that definitely got the most hits and I think it's still does to this day. It's ridiculous.
Hmm.
So Justin Timberlake is interviewed retrospectively and he talks about the incident.