This week is B-A-N-A-N-A-S: planes, trains and Hollaback Girls

Rewind to 24 to 30 April 2005 — where a massive plane took flight, Gwen taught us how to spell bananas and Japan's rail system suffered a shattering blow.

🚄 Speed kills in Amagasaki. Japan’s famously punctual trains derailed — literally — when a young driver trying to make up time crashed into an apartment block, killing 107. JR West’s obsession with being on time sparked a national reckoning on corporate pressure and safety.

🛫 The whale takes off.The Airbus A380 made its maiden voyage. A 4-engine, double-decker beast that could carry over 800 people and briefly made air travel feel like a cruise ship. Too big, too bold, and (eventually) too expensive to survive the low-cost airline era. RIP, sky king.

🐅 Tiger unleashed.Apple dropped Mac OS X Tiger, packed with game-changers like Spotlight and Dashboard. Automator made us feel like hackers and VoiceOver showed Apple meant business on accessibility. 200 features? Apple said so. We counted about 14. Still: iconic.

📣 B-A-N-A-N-A-S.Gwen Stefani clapped back at Courtney Love with a cheerleader chant for the ages. Hollaback Girl hit the charts and took over high school halls everywhere. You couldn’t escape it — not in gym class, not at prom and definitely not on your Motorola RAZR ringtone.

🎥 Nicole talks politics (in a Made-Up Language)The Interpreter hit cinemas with Nicole Kidman whispering in UN corridors and Sean Penn brooding nearby. High-stakes diplomacy, fictional African nations and the first film ever shot inside UN Headquarters? Peak mid-2000s prestige thriller vibes.

🐩 Fluff, fillets & flared nostrils.Showdog Moms & Dads premiered and it was barking mad. Homemade doga classes, filet mignon for pups and a dog psychic. Bravo let the leashes off and we never looked at poodles the same way again.

📚 No place like home… or jail.Mary Higgins Clarke’s latest potboiler had murder, secrets and a three-time bride who may or may not have shot her mum. One-star reviewers were not kind.

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Chapters

• 0:00 intro
• 0:22 show opener
• 9:09 news
• 21:44 technology and innovation
• 30:48 music
• 47:04 open up the boombox
• 50:43 movies and tv
• 1:00:57 books we didn't read
• 1:06:46 hatches, matches and dispatches
• 1:12:45 show closer

Transcript

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The year is 2005. Anakin turns to the Dark side, YouTube debuts, and we couch jump for Mariah Mcdreamy and a girl with the Dragon Tattoo t -, 20 rewind 20 years with Joe and Mel. 

April 2005. 

Hey, what you doing? This is a talk show. 

An ice breaker. Don't judge me yet. 

This is bananas. 

My question is, who approved that this? See where this is going? Not really. 

Not so much a talk show. It's a nostalgia show where we bumble our way back through history, but not very ancient history. Just recent history like 20 years ago, which still feels recent until you decide to look through it through that lens and then you go, oh, geez, I'm really old. That's t -. 20. I I think I kind of told you what the podcast is about. Probably not very well this time. Probably my worst intro ever. If I'm being honest with your host Joe and. Mel, please save me, Mel. 

Hello I know you mean a lot of this stuff. Feels like 5-6 years ago. No, 20 years ago. We're looking at news, music, sports, popular culture books, all kinds. 

Yeah. Yeah. 

Stuff from this time 20 years ago and this time 20 years ago is the 24th to the 30th of April 2. 

1005 A commuter train in Japan derails at high speed, slamming into an apartment building. 107 lives were lost, with over 560 people injured. 

Horrible story coming out of Japan this time 20 years ago. One of the biggest rail disasters in history. It was a it was a terrible time. Unfortunately, we will cover that. 

Hmm. 

In the news. 

Exactly 1018, the A380 is lined up on the runway and final preparations are made. Inside the plane, the only problem seems to be the ***** ** Fernando's helmet. 

Ohh for sake Fernando strap sorted out on your helmet. Big news in aviation history this time 20 years ago. 

But we think Tiger is going to catapult us even further ahead and drive the copycats a little crazy. 

Ohh, Steve Jobs. They're delivering one of his famous keynotes. 

Now the. 

Just strutting back and forth up on that stage, swinging his head around basically, that's what that's all. 

Love it. 

Yeah. 

A very exciting release and one that kind of paved the way for a lot of. 

Yeah. 

Functionality that we still use today. 

Actually, alright. Yeah, cool. I I don't know. Just I'm just an end user mate. Just make it work and make it work good. OK. You know, that's all I need. That's probably exactly the way he communicates with his developers. We'll talk more about that a little bit later on. 

Yes, good one, good one, enjoyed it. 

You know, I do want to talk about I'm starting to midlife crisis is almost over like, because I think I'm about three 3/4 of the way through my life now as I fast approach 50. But I just started thinking about, oh, geez, I wouldn't mind getting another tattoo. 

That's long gone. 

You. 

Like I've got lots of tattoos. Yeah, I've just like something to do. Get another tattoo. And I was thinking about ideas and stuff, which I don't particularly want to share. What my ideas. Yeah, ideas are here. 

Ohh, you're ready. You're ready for a new one. Ohh you don't want anyone to steal them. 

At the moment but I. I was kind of looking around and apparently for some time now, tattoos from the early 2000s in the late 90s are coming back into. 

True is. 

Everyone getting those ones laser removed these days. 

Well, some people are and some are getting them covered up and some people are just embarking on a whole new journey. They've got a bit of a modern contemporary spin on them. Modern and contemporary, both being the same exact thing. But me not having any interest in Word economy whatsoever, they have that spin on it, but. 

Like, you know, longer regrets. 

7. 

But but it's like. 

Bobbed. 

Yeah. Ohh are we seeing tribal coming back? Remember the tribal, the tribal across the bottom of the lower back, the tribal. 

Tribal is making a massive comeback. Tribal law. Tribe. Yeah. Tribal. More to fill up space and things like that. Either that or just like full blown tribe. Or like, I think I blame like, wrestling for tribal tattoos making a comeback a little bit with like, the bloodline and stuff like that. Yes. Yes, indeed. Ohh. The tattoos in Bali are just amazing. 

Ohh, nice bit of tribal filigree in between things. Yes, yes, starting Bali. They're like Bali. Bali is responsible for tribal and Roman numerals. That's a Bali thing, isn't it? 

Yes, people, people getting their photographs and taking in those Bali tattoo shops look like ransom photos or something from. 

What else? What else is early 2000? Ohh, Japan. Japanese and Chinese symbols I remember. 

But if the Japanese characters, yeah. 

A young lady came up to me when I was driving the Black Thunder once and I gave her a loaf of bread and handed it over and she had a a Chinese or a Japanese symbol inside on the inside of her wrist. And I thought that's amazing. 

Yeah, they turn around and say, like, what does it mean? And they're like it means water. And then they go over to Japan. And they're like, what the? You have the word water tattooed on your wrist. 

I was so impressed. That was so cool. Well. Brittany had an issue in the early 2000s. She got, I think it was a Chinese symbol and she thought it meant mysterious. But when translated, it actually meant strange. 

Yes. 

I remember that being a big news story about Brittany's. 

Well, look, I I think that's well, that's fitting now. I think she's grown into that tattoo. If I'm being honest. 

Brittany's tattoo stars. 

Yes. 

I think she. 

Had that one Ruth stars were big stars are big. I'm. I'm guilty of some star tattoos and lower. I've got a lower back tattoo. I've got all of the all of the classics. 

Stars were very big. Stars were very, very big. Stars were very big. 

Yes. 

Yeah. Yeah, you. 

I kept them. I'm on trend on trend. 

You like to keep them. I like keeping them as well. I I know some people like to get them removed. I'm. Yeah. It's just a part of my life. Yes. 

People get embarrassed, but. It's point in time point in time, and you liked it at the time, and I think my first one, my first tattoo, there wasn't a lot of thought that went into it cause. You had to choose something off the wall. 

Ohh, really. Wow. OK yeah. 

Is it the bikers cause the the the biker shop and yeah, you're only allowed to have something off the wall and there wasn't a lot to choose from. So I was like ohh, that looks alright, I'll go. 

That looks great. I'll go with that. Fair enough. Yes. Look, I think that that's that's good. You know, make good choices, as they say in life and. 

With that? Yeah, sure. Thanks. They did a good job. I was impressed with. 

Stand by your choice. As I say, don't worry about making good choices. Just stand by the ones that you make and we stand by our tattoos. From that time I. 

This good line work? Good line work. 

It's a good time. 

Think they're wonderful? 

You had the. They stuck the glad wrap over it and and it was always. I'd always get them in stupid. 

Yes. 

Spots where your pants would rub. 

And you know what else? I don't wanna get stuck getting booming. I don't wanna be sort of like, but like you. You, you know, we didn't have numbing cream back in the day. 

Your pants would rub on the tattoo. Do people use that? No. 

Yeah, they use it a lot. 

That's some I have never. I have never used numbing cream. I've never even taken a padal. I just lie there and take it. 

A lot. You know, some people. Ohh yeah. Yeah, like a champ. You sit like a rock as the the last artist that tattooed you said. Yes, they do. They do all the numbing thing. I've even seen stories recently of people getting tattooed under anaesthetic, being put to sleep so that they can get it done quicker. 

Yes, yes. What? 

And so and you could. Well, it's dangerous is what it is. 

That's ridiculous. That's ridiculous. It is because, yeah, you don't know. You go too far and you get sick. 

Yes, yes, indeed, it's. And you can, if you do tattoo a significant portion of your body in one go, you can end up getting pretty unwell. 

Why the one? That I got in Vegas that got infected. 

Yeah, but that wasn't a significant portion of your body that was. 

No, but it got infected. 

Just. 

As I said, make good choices or. And buy them at the very least, yes, Steve. 

You know, it's all. 

Right, it's character building. It's a bit. Skew. If because of where it got. Infected. But you know it's a story. And it was a point in time. 

It is a story and it had an extra bit of some bonus features to go with it and also I mean this is the thing that they're saying. These things are making come back, barbed wire, flames, stars all. 

Yeah. 

Flames, when did go out, I thought. 

Of those. Things, flames, flames none of it ever went out of style as far as I was concerned. It's all still. I'm still trapped in that era. 

Were always in. 

I think the only difference is like we would try to get them in discrete areas and now everyone's like, you know, it's like, yeah, we're getting bubbles and flames. My. 

On my face, no face is a thing now, and the even the cosmetic tattooing where you get your eyebrows done and things like that, it it, there's still there's still something that. 

Hmm. 

That's commitment, isn't it? 

Yes. 

To me, we're. A tattoo on your face? That's a big. Risk even, yeah. 

I just wouldn't know. I wouldn't know what to. Get we're getting. 

Freckles tattooed on their. 

Face I would love to be Philly. 

Cool freckles weren't cool when I was young. I still like cover mine in makeup, but apparently no. Now you get tattooed on. 

You can get freckles. Tattoos. That'd be a fun day out for the tattoo artist, wouldn't it? Just weird. Very strange. You connect the dots and you could spell something or. 

Yeah, that'd be easy. Easy job. So what early if you were going to get another tattoo and you had to choose an early 2000s one, what would you? Get and where would you get it? 

Ohh I I Barb wire. I do Barb wire for sure. 

Ohh yeah, Barbie around the arm, happy in tribute to Pammy. 

Yeah. Yes, maybe Barbara around the arm or maybe around my throat. Barbie around my neck. I think that look pretty good. 

That's a good idea. 

That'd be very classy. Yes. And I'll go and rent a 2 bedroom cabin at the local caravan park and set up a clandestine meth. 

Yeah. 

Lab. While I'm at it. Ohh having too much fun already. It's the hatches, matches and dispatches clue. I don't think there are any significant births, deaths, marriages at this time, so we'll just do a celebrity who had a birthday and continues to have a birthday cause they are still very much alive and well. That said this. 

Umm. 

I I have other stuff you should come see me on the week. 

Ohh, like how hard is that one? We'll find out who it is at the end of the show. But you know who it is already so. Whatever you can switch off now if you like, it's fine. We're gonna do the news. 

April 25, 2005 we have a rail crash in Japan. A commuter train derailed in Amagasaki, and it was one of Japans worst train disasters in modern history. History shook the nation. It also exposed issues and had long lasting effects on how Japan thought about speed, safety and corporate pressure. 

Well, the the corporate pressure is really interesting because this is the rail system in Japan is the best in the world. Second to none on time to the second to the second, yes, so for. 

It. 

Sauce. 

This one it was A7 car commuter train operated by West Japan Railway. Company or Jr West? Travelling from. 

You want me? To say it, yes, can you? Please Takarazuka to Doshisha Mei on the Fukuyama line. Yeah, yeah. That could have gone S pretty quick I could. 

Thank you. 

Have said a. 

Bad word at approximately 9/9/19 AM, the train derailed on a sharp curve and smashed into a residential. Apartment building, just 70 metres from the. 

Track the designated maximum speed for this curve was 70 kilometres per hour, but the train enters it going 116 kilometres per hour. The train lurches to the outside and flies off track, colliding with an adjacent apartment building. The first car went into the first floor of the building, which was a parking lot and was so compressed you can't tell where it is from aerial. Photos. The second car was crushed between the building and the following cars. Almost everyone in the 1st and 2nd car were killed. 

There's a horrible, horrible tragedy, horrible. Five of the seven cars come off the rails. The first two, like he said, was crushed against the building. So much so that the first one was you couldn't even recognise it. It was just smooshed. Which and when you think of the fact that it's full of people. Well, that's gross and I'm sorry it's it's just it's not a very good visual. It's it was a really bad tragedy. It took days for them to sort it out. 107 people killed, including the driver who was right up the front, 550 injured. The impact was so severe that they had to bring in so much heavy machinery. They cut through all of the train cars to actually retrieve the bodies. 

The. 

Cause at its core was excessive speed, but also corporate pressure as they mentioned in in that New Zealand the train was travelling at around 116 kilometres per hour or 72 mph in a 70 kilometre per hour zone or 43 mph. The curve was notoriously tight. 

Yes. 

You know. 

Yeah. 

There was no automatic speed control in place at the time. Time and we had a driver who was just 23 years old, limited experience that overshot a previous station by about 100 metres, which caused a delay and fearing punishment and and this is speculation, but fearing punishment for the delay, likely tried to make up for lost time by going a bit faster. 

Yeah. 

And this is. A common pressure in Japans ultra punctual rail system 20. 

Three years old. Ohh, I'd hate to be responsible for driving a train at 23 years. There was national outrage towards the company Jr West, of course. 

So young, yeah, yeah. 

Hmm. 

They had a very harsh penalty point system for drivers which which is why there's so much anxiety about being on time and so minor mistakes. They would do things like they would publicly shame people. They would have to retrain them, which was of course very shameful as well. Or they'd demote them. All of these things bringing shame to them. And there is that big. Thing about shame and and not meeting the expectation or exceeding it. So they were accused of creating this culture of fear where being late, even by a minute was unacceptable. And they prioritise really performance over safety, but as a result of this incident, some changes obviously had to be made. 

They introduced automatic train stop or ATS systems, which were upgraded to include speed limit enforcement on curves. Yeah, they reevaluated the employee discipline and training. 

Yep. 

Systems and it was seen as a bit of a wake up call around safety versus efficiency. 

Umm I I do know a 14 year old in in Melbourne that we spoke about last week that may have been a better, better driver of the train. I don't. I shouldn't make a joke. It was a terrible, he said lots of people died. Let's move on to something more. 

There was young and. 

Positive in, I guess public transport news. Yes, the Airbus A380. Ohh, we were so excited about these new gigantic aeroplanes. Double story, lots of engines, plenty of room. Just these huge palaces in the sky. 

Still transport system. Weren't we? Double story, yeah. 

The Airbus A380, the world's largest passenger airline, successfully completes its first Test flight from Toulouse, France on the 28th of April 2005. 

At 10:29 and 32 seconds the throttles are open. 

Mr. 

Here we go effortless. 

2. 

Yeah. 

Excellent demonstration of clear and it was really like a diamond in the sky, stable and moving away. Really nice. Really nice. 

OK. 

That that, that was from the Discovery Channel and and I feel like the voice over guy from the Discovery Channel may have called in sick that day and they got a temp in and I feel like that temp was probably somebody who read ads. The phone sex commercials because he's. Like at. 

1032 and 20, whatever sex. 

Pins the throttles were opened. 

Nothing like a like a sensual Airbus. 

Call me now. Very sensual. Take off for the Airbus A380 and was met with the standing ovulate I mean Ovation. 

Was a milestone in aviation history showcasing the advancements in aerospace engineering. It symbolised the European aerospace ambition and and innovation. It was dubbed the Super Jumbo, or the Whale, the the double Decker aircraft carrying over well can carry didn't carry this time. This was a test flight, but it can carry over 800 passages and it was really designed to challenge Boeing's dominance in the long haul. 

While. Uh-huh. 

Market this test flight was around 3 hours and 54 minutes. There was 6 test pilots and 16 flight test engineers got to around 350 knots which is around 650 kilometres per hour. 

Yeah. 

Yeah. 

And why was it? Why was it big deal? Thank you very much. It was the first full length double Decker aircraft could carry all these passengers up to 853 and. 

Good maths, good math, Mel. Well done. That's only if that's 853 in all economy, though, like if you do, you cause you know what the the Allegra. And could you imagine the leg room? 853 people all in economy. That's just hell in the air. Hell in the sky. 

Yeah, much add first class. Economy plus. It had four engines with a wingspan. Nearly 80 metres and a range of 15,200 kilometres. It had luxury options, like on board bars. There were showers and 1st class suites. It took over 3,000,000 individual parts to build and the wings were apparently so big that they were built in whales shipped by boat and truck to be. 

Yeah. Oh, the country. It's just like that's that's just weed. Really strange. Yes, the country, yes. 

Assembled in France. Count. 

So the take off was a big deal, though 10s of thousands of people watching it live broadcast around the world, all the aviation geeks, all the plane spotters were there. The major airlines were there, seeing how it's gonna go like, hmm, how many of these are we gonna put on order if they. If they go well, you know, big, the double Decker bus of the skies, basically. 

Hmm. 

I love the plain spotted groups. I feel like that's part of our community, cause we've done a bit of plane spotting at the airports. 

I love playing spotting and the A380 is quite a find quite a spot. 

Go nuts. They bring step ladders. And binoculars and really good cameras. 

To see over to see. 

Over the fence at the airport. 

Yeah. 

In Canberra that you guys may put like step ladders in there in the. 

I love that. 

Tray of there. 

They get there first, so they're up front and and we don't get in the way. 

You can big telephoto lens. We've had some spectacular planes come here, you know, we had the. What was the big Russian one? Yeah. The antenna of the Big Anton of. I think it was the Muslim that came in massive plane landed in Canberra. 

We have, yes. Ohh, and the the repurposed ones that were doing the firefighting. What were they? 

Ohh the the Ohh the DC 10s yes spotted a lot of those. 

Yeah, that was that was exciting, wasn't it? 

The the What's the big one that the Defence Force you the Hercules comes in quite often. And the well, there's Caribou, not so much. The big one. The big one with the the. Is it the. 

The hook. 

Caraboo. Galaxy ohh. The Galaxy C something C30C10C. 

Is that the one? Is that the Galaxy C5? I don't know. Is it a Galaxy C5? I feel like that's wrong. 

I don't know. I did have an app where I. Could listen to the control tower that was exciting. 

Yeah, that was. 

We really got into it, didn't. 

But. 

Then they stopped broadcasting. 

We. 

That for some reason I don't even. 

I don't know the the, so the ice 380 very exciting for playing. 

I wish. Yeah, look, I if. If I was, if it happened today. I would have been there would. Have been in France watching. 

I think I think the first one, they got 150 orders for the like before the main flight even happened Emirates, Singapore Airlines, Lufthansa, lots more. I think the first service was in 2007 with Singapore Airlines. They did the first one, but their sales didn't go very well because the A38. 

That's pretty. 

Good. 

I feel like it was just a little bit behind the times. Well, it was behind the times because air travel changed a lot. It became like more point to point routes with smaller, more fuel efficient planes and then they've launched this big tank. 

And I think another issue was the size and. Weight of it, that's. A lot of runways. Couldn't take the the load, so they had to redesign the runways and the terminals just to. 

Yes, this is so. 

Big hmm. 

Accommodate it so. I don't know if you're going to. Want to do that? 

4 jet engines uses. A load of fuel, you know? And if you're not flying at peak times, like if you haven't filled that aircraft, then you potentially wiping your **** with money. I guess so. Once they they actually started to retire them, they didn't have a very long tenure like they're retired now. No one wants to. 

Hmm. 

Buy them. 

And I think once COVID hit as well, obviously a lot of planes were grounded. We saw a lot of them going out into the desert to park. 

Well, that's what. 

Really stopped it for them. COVID just killed them. 

And because and there were big planes and so post COVID, we weren't seeing the same scale of air travel happened. Right away. So they kind of grounded them and never started using them again. 

Yes, but there is still a few, which is very exciting for the plane spotters and I think it's Emirates Emirates, no, not in Canberra. I don't think it would be strong enough I think. But it we just haven't. I don't think they've diverted any here. I I can guarantee you there probably has been but it's probably just been. 

Says it's here. It is it is I. Don't think we get any here though, and I think our runway is. Strong enough as it is. 

Something's happened with the weather in Sydney or something, so Emirates, Qantas and British Airways I think are the three still have the A3A. 

OK. 

So we might still be. Able to catch 1 stone or something. 

Yeah, I I like the idea of it. I like the idea, though, like with seat configurations on planes. Now the row is generally like 3. There's like 3 in a block and our family is 3 and that's that's really wonderful. That's. 

Yes. 

There's. Of us. 

So just sit next to any randos sit next to a rando on the planes. Always. That isn't it? Yeah. 

So great. 

It's not a good time. Not a good time, especially in economy, especially with no leg room and especially on a longer flight than a couple of hours. That's like, that's just no fun at all. You've really gotta like, it's a big these people that raw, dogged on the flights these days where they just sit there. 

Yes, folks, yeah. 

On the long haul flights, I don't use any in flight entertainment or anything, they just raw dog. The flights. There was a trend on the socials because because the human race is devolving and people have quits. But something that wasn't evolving on the 29th of April in 2005 was the Mac operating system, right? Yeah, that's right. That is like, that is the gold standard in Segways. I defy anyone to try and do a better segue than that. Yes. 

Tell us more. Excellent. 

Exactly. Mac, Mac OS X 10.4 tiger. The dagger was released on the 29th of April, a major moment in the evolution of Apple computing. Not only was it its most feature packed update, but it laid the groundwork for what we now take for granted. 

Hmm. 

Code name telegram. 

Hmm. 

In Mac OS and even iOS Mel, would you believe it? 

What's the difference between Mac OS and I OS? 

This it. 

Is that is I OS? I think that's your phones. Yeah, I think that's like iPhone. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, iPhone, iPad, etcetera. Would you like to hear what Steve had? 

This is like what it's called these. Days. Oh oh, like iPhone operating system. That makes sense, right? OK, great. 

Hmm. 

To say. 

I'd love to hear from Steve. 

Please, but we think Tiger is gonna catapult us even further ahead. And drive the copycats a little. Crazy. Because there are over 150 new features in Tiger. 

2. 

Some of them are just groundbreaking, as you'll see. Here. Today. So tiger, let's get started. We don't have time to go through 150, but. I want to show you. About 10 of the new features. First of all, of course, Tiger is OS 10. It's Unix based and OS 10 is the number one Unix in the world by volume by unit shipments #1. In Tiger, the biggest request we got was for 64 bit. 

OK, I already don't know what the Steve saying. So he's gonna do 10, we'll do 5-5 of the features. 

No, but but just quickly where he said like there's. Over 150, but we can't go through them now. 

Yes. 

They did kind of inflate that figure, so even down to things like a new font would be counted as a new feature, so they put everything in there. So, you know, probably. 

A fascia. 

90 of those were new fonts. Let's be honest here. Yeah, yeah. Few serah. Few San serif maybe. Maybe calibri. Maybe this is when Calibre first got into. I don't know. But they they did kind of inflate it a little. 

Right. Did you? 

Reckon out of the 150 fish. 

OK. 

Well, that's. 

Really gets a run. No, it's all speculation. Allegedly. I don't. Don't **** *** Apple. Don't where you eat. OK, seriously, where with this Apple household, I I would hate, for example, for all of a sudden. 

Bit. 

OK, let's. Them to ban you from your iPad, get locked out. 

Even worse, unable to turn the lights on. 

Of your iPad. 

Like like the boom from last week. 

Apple Apple will log us out of our light bulbs. No, look, I love Apple. It's my favourite. Everything is apple. But they did. They did it. They did add every little thing so that. 

Exactly. I'd hate for that to happen. I wouldn't say I wouldn't say I love them, but I do depend on them a little bit too much. They do. Let's do 55. 

You know. 

Let's do 5 and they're five very pivotal pieces to. 

They some as even today like spotlight, which stands up today, which is the system wide search engine so you know where where is that in the application. I don't need even to go to the applications folder or whatever. I can just go to spotlight. 

Yes. Yes. 

Don't have to dig through Finder, just go to spotlight and type in the search term and hopefully get the thing. That I need spot. 

Where is spotlight? I'm still digging through fine. Don't see. 

Me. Yes, I. 

Go to Finder all the time to try. And find my things. It's been 20 years. It's it is. 

You know. 

Spotlight on the House computer. 

Yeah. 

Really, 20 years it's been since spotlight. It's. 

Been like, I don't even know how to. What's I I I like Finder. It's therapeutic. I've got my my file structure is impeccable. So it's very easy to find things. How do you spotlight? How do you spotlight, do you turn your torch on and shining out the. 

Attack. 

I'm gonna blow your mind. Remember this shortcut. Remember this shortcut? No ease **** easiest **** command spacebar. 

Window what? 

Sweaty 20 years. People alright #2 yes. 

Ohh dear. 

What's #2? 

Dashboard and widgets. That's the answer to the confabulatory or the Yahoo widgets, but a bit shinier. Do you know how to do that? 

I have no idea. 

F-12 and then it gives you this translucent overlay. 

I don't ever press the F keys because I just feel like something really big or bad is going to happen. I feel like the F keys are reserved for things like yeah, I don't know. Setting off bombs or something. I just feel like if you don't touch the F. 

Hmm. 

Keys you give from 1:00 to 12:00. 

No. 

Do you know what I mean? Yeah. So that that was just a thing that would help you bring up like that. Like I said, the overlaid of mini apps like weather and whatever, that's just a bit that's just window dressing. It's #3 #3 safari, RSS. 

Oh well, we really. Find those anymore? That's fine. That's fine. Don't worry about that. I don't need that spotlight. I do. Yes. What else? Oh. 

Yes, a built-in RSS feed support thing for Safari. Which meant that you could keep up with your blogs and your. 

Ohh, just plugging. Yeah, plugging was really big back then. Yeah, yeah. 

News this would be. For push notifications too, remember so you get on the RSS feed so that you can keep getting the information from the. Ticket feed number. 4 The Automator that was a visual scripting tool that let you build workflows without writing code. 

Hmm. 

No. 

Drag and drop. That's how you used to do instead of writing the code. You could automate repetitive tasks like resize all images in this folder, rename them and then email them to my boss in three clicks so you have automated things. Not bad. Pretty handy. Peak apple. 

Mm-hmm. 

Rule cardis man. Excellent. Yeah. 

Good, right? Yeah. 

Yes, it does sound. It does sound a bit like ChatGPT Ish actually. 

And and an an intro to automation long before shortcut, long before shortcuts. Very user friendly, very user friendly option and that's what Apple was famous for. #5 ready. 

Hmm. 

This is a. This is a bit of a game changer that's paved the way for, I guess what we have now voice over. 

Ohh accessibility yes. 

Yes, a screen reader for visually impaired users. And no, I mean that feeds into like your automation with assistance and voice recognition and all of that stuff with voice over with Apple now is a two way St. 

Yeah, that's good. 

Yeah. Yes it is. Yes, sometimes you get some sass back too, don't you? 

Which? Just wonderful. So there you go. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, sure, fonts and whatnot, but there. Are a few handy things. 

Gonna try spotlight. What was it? Something in Space bar command. Space bar? I don't know. Pressing the command. Me either. I feel like that's. 

Command spacebar. Easy easy as you like. This is this is the operations operation. This is the operating system, not the operation system that's, I don't know. I'm not a doctor, but I'll have a look anyway. This is the operating system that really made Max much. Modern. Do you know what a new era for? Them in fact. 

And I think this is where we were because we had, we spoke about the Mac mini being released and it being a bit more of an entry level thing for people. And this is where you did start to see Apple becoming the home computer for a lot of people because you now had the the lower barrier to entry. 

Yeah. 

And now it's it's bringing out all of these features that are I I'm assuming a bit more advanced than Windows XP. At the time. 

Yeah. 

Yeah. 

So really sort of cementing Apple as ground breaking, but also affordable. 

Yeah. And it's also, I think in 2006, so following you, that's when you get your first Intel based Macs. So this really paved the way for those. And if you look at it nowadays, it's all apple silicon and what gets me about that is you know how they do the keynotes all the time. I bought an Intel based Mac and I specked it up. It was an expensive. 

Ah Yep. 

Silicon. 

Yes. 

Yes. 

Intel based Mac, right? And I had not had it for more than I think about 3 months. And then Apple launched Apple Silicon and I get this is like quite a few years ago now. 

I know, yes, he spent a lot of. Time specking it out. 

Ohh. 

And the the best thing about it is this computer is still wonderful. It hasn't missed a beat. It's great, but I don't want that anymore. When you've got the new stuff in it, I want that. And that's how they get you every time. 

But the. 1. 

It's but see. 

If you were a nerd, you would have known that that was coming and you would have waited. You're not a true nerd, the. 

But I'm not. I'm just an I'm just an end user. I just need it to do the thing and it did the thing and it still. 

Nerds know these things, hmm? 

Does the thing. I don't know whether it. 

What's doing the thing right now? It's right. There. Good, we love. 

It is as we speak it is. It is documenting the thing that we do and it's doing its thing. There's lots of things happening. 

Making the things for us with the things. Tiger sold over 2 million copies in the first six weeks, making it the fastest selling Mac OS to date at that point. UPS and it was the last operating system that was sent out on CD. It is the one after it came out on DVD. 

Ohh yeah. Because. 'S Wow game changer. 

My God. 

DVD and now it's like just yelling at me every day going can you upgrade to what's the latest one? 

Sequoia. 

Ohh no, I'm still probably 3 before that. It's just like can you upgrade? 

Ohh, we've just like we've gone from like animal. 

Now, like I don't know. I don't feel like it. 

Malls to national parks. To trees. 

But upgrading it, you don't have to buy the CD or the DVD, it just annoys you with a little pop up. Now it's like no, I'm not ready. I'm not ready yet, so I'm not ready to commit. I'm still on. 

You know. Just arrives, just arrives and says that says. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Tiger. And it's like, well, let me know when you are and give me about 20 minutes and. I'll sort everything out for you. Wonderful. 

Music. Let's start with album releases for this week. 20 years ago. Yes, I'd like to start. 

Really. Gonna mix it up a little bit. Wow. 

Yes. Keep you on your toes. Do you know which button to press? Are you OK if I. Do that? Is that alright? We didn't discuss this. 

I'm all good. I'm all good. I've been pressing buttons for a long time. 

I know Bruce Springsteen actually released. I think he's 13th studio album, Devils and Dust. We had no E street band, no big arena anthems. Just Bruce his guitar. 

Yes. 

For demons to exercise, apparently people say it's one of those albums that hits harder the more. You sit with it. 

Take your God feelings. So fill it with Devil's End. You God feels so. Filled with devil's hand. 

It's got a bit of a Dylan type vibe to it that doesn't it with Bruce. I do like Bruce Springsteen a lot. I like Bruce Springsteen because Bruce Springsteen in his music and his lyrics tends to hold up a a mirror to the American Society. And what I what I thought was interesting back in the day when he did born in the USA. 

Does. Yeah, yeah. 

And all these rednecks were like, so, like pumped. 

Was like born in the USA. 

And it's like, are you, are you reading the lyrics? Are you reading the lyrics? Do you understand what he's trying to say to you here because he's holding the mirror up to you and he's very good at doing that. This was his 13th studio album, this one, and it was very much holding a mirror up to the darker side of him at war faith. 

Yes. 

Small town lives lots of spiritual stuff, very much a post 9/11 record for him. So not super political. 

Yeah. 

Cool, but definitely very emotional and just questioning and that's what I think. That's what I like about his perspective when he does that. He is just, I mean, he's great. You know, one of my biggest regrets was when we went on our honeymoon and Bruce Springsteen was playing at Madison Square Garden and we we were. 

Hmm. 

Yeah, yeah. 

Yeah. 

Staying just down the road and I was like ohh should we just like take our chances with the scalper? And then we went to a scalper. And because it was sold out and it's Madison Square Garden and it's Bruce Springsteen in New York City. And I'm like, let's do it. And then I and the scalper that we found was just terrifying. And I backed out of the deal. 

Hmm. 

Yeah. 

Yeah, it was a bit scary. Yeah. And we would we just freaked out. We're like, what happens if it's fake? We'll lose a lot of money, but probably, yeah. Probably just worth there was. 

So we didn't go, but we were in a bar afterwards and we met a couple of guys that were huge Springsteen fans and they were very buzzed after the concert and having a great time. We ended up having a bunch of drinks with them. Yeah. And they were just awesome people. And then we connected with them on Facebook and and I still sort of get glimpses. 

Yeah. I was so jealous. 

Hmm. 

Into one of their lives now, John John Schwartz, who? Who's a lovely guy and Rick Freeman, who was an amazing guy as well, who sadly passed away a few years later, which was just actually ohh. Only met him for about, you know, an hour or so, but just devastated me because he was such a lovely person and we had such an amazing experience. But listening to them talk about their passion for Springsteen. 

Oh yeah. 

Yeah. 

Those two guys are best buddies and they go to all these Springsteen concerts and that was almost almost as good as hearing from the manager. And I think too like I wasn't a Springsteen fan at the time. So I could have taken it or leave it and. 

It's going, yeah. 

Left it and then we spoke to those guys and I've listened to a lot of Bruce Springsteen since and gone wow like, this is great stuff. So I've got those guys to really thank for that, I think. And you know the stand out tracks on this one, devils and dust, which was the obviously the title track you heard and that's all about a a soldier who's struggling with morality in combat and. 

Mm-hmm. 

Yeah. 

That that it talks like that really shows like that psychological toll that things like the Iraq will have on soldiers. Reno, which was an explicit song about a man visiting a sex work. 

MHM. 

And it's it's very rude. It's a little bit not suitable for work, which I think made a lot of his fans go, oh, long time coming, which was about fatherhood and redemption matter. Morris Banks, which was the story about a migrant who dies trying to cross over the border into from Mexico to the USA. So, you know, he's it's it's not so much that it's political, but he tells stories. 

Yeah. Hmm. 

And kinda it's. Still, there's an under underlying cause. It asks. It poses a lot of questions. It's it's like he's trying to instead of trying to ram a political opinion, he's trying to tell a story and and get empathy. 

Yes. And it still aligns with a lot of the really big themes of the times as well, yeah. 

Yeah. So Springsteen debuts at #1 on the Billboard 207th US chart, topping album at the time for the boss. That's what they call him, the boss. They. And while a lot of people missed that big stadium sized Springsteen with the E Street Band, I think it was good to see him, like, go back. He won a. Grammy for it as well and like people. 

It's. It's one that hits harder the more you sit with it, and I think with him, like I I was listening to it today. I had it on in the background and I was like that. Yeah, that sounds really nice, but it's not really a background thing, though. You really want to sit with. 

It's wonderful. 

It and actually. Really listen and pay attention to the lyrics. So I'd like to sit with it again and not be doing something else and. 

Yeah. 

Having it on in the background, I like to just sit there and and really, really listen properly and I think that's that's the thing with him as an artist is like what you were saying with the rednecks just kind of. 

No, it's not a background thing. Yeah. 

Listening to the chorus and going, yeah, but not actually hearing the message. And I think that's what you've got. To do with his stuff. 

100% that's he's he's it's very much storytelling as opposed to just writing a catchy tune. Yeah. Ohh. We'll just Chuck that on the background and go and do some house work. You sit down and you listen when the boss talks. When Uncle Bruce talks, you listen. 

Ohh that sounds nice. Absolutely. 

Yes. 

Absolutely. Well, Speaking of catchy tunes, this is probably nowhere near as deep. We still have the same number one in the UK is. This the way to Amarillo. 

Is this the way to? Huh. Dreaming. 

Amarillo, Sweet Marie, who waits for me. 

Still brings me joy though. I find if if I'm drifting off, if I'm kind of drifting off into a Daydream, it just sort of creeps in there as the soundtrack. 

It is. It is lovely. 

You know, yeah, basic great show. 

It really is. Yes. It's lovely. Beautiful soul is still #1 here in Australia. 

I want you when you're beautiful. So you're the one I want to chase you. 

Alright. Oh. Or is that Teemu, Teemu Ryan Cabrera? 

Saying they're right. For prayer, yes, it does feel like that. Yeah, and ohh we've got a new entry in the. US top five. 

So lonely, Mr lonely. 

I have nobody to call my friend. 

And I'm gonna. 

And then in the Valley, stop short haired girl. Don't just stop. Keep going here. 

Bloody candy shop. How long has that been there for now weeks, yes. 

Wow. I didn't realise that that song was so big for so long. Umm, there? Yeah. 

Well, it was and and now it's just coming back to haunt us every single week. It's it's like it's stuck up there like a toffee. 

Yeah, like when you have like when you had the the lollipop, the the big one from Darrell Lee, the colourful 1 and you get it stuck in your hair, they take a lick and then you look. 

Yeah. Yeah. 

Over to the side and then your hair. Would get stuck in it. 

I was thinking. Like stuck in there like when you have red skins and they get stuck in your teeth and then they pull your feelings out. You know people have their feelings pulled out from Redskins, Redskins leaves. You gotta warm them up. Yeah, fantails Redskins. 

Getting your hair. Ohh and your teeth get stuck together. Fantails did that too. They stressed me out. 

Fantails are specially stressful because fan tails have the the chocolate on the outside, which is very chewable, and then the caramel on the inside which you need to kind of warm up and suck on and that side with it might tip with. The Redskins will just tuck it under your armpit a good 20 minutes before you're about to. Yeah, yeah. That's the only way to soft. 

And then, yeah, and then you think there was something wrong? No. 

Turn it up, but they they're called. 

Something else now, aren't they? 

Redskins all have I said, a bad thing. 

I think they're called something else now. 

Ohh what are they called now? Ohh, that's like the cheese that changed. Ohh, I've done something terrible. I didn't mean to. It's just a product. Think that it was a different time. I swear to God. Don't cancel me. Oh my God. What are they called? 

I don't know, but I think. Yes, I think so. No, no, no, that's that's. 

I'm I'm sure that. 

Ohh no. They're called Red Rippers now, yes. 

Red Rippers that was like the fake cigarette lollies that were called **** and they got changed to. 

Fads. Yes. Fads. Yes. 

Fats. I'm. I'm sorry, but I don't think the naming of them is probably the most problematic thing. Let's think about the fact that we're giving kids lollies that look like cigarettes. 

There's all a bunch of ******** smokes going. They're not. They're not fads. That's offensive to smokers. It's a lifelong habit, and it's good for your constitution. 

There were so many problematic lollies back in the day. Yeah yes, I liked the spearmint ones anyway. 

Red Rippers red rippers. I do apologise. 

Well, they they were just spearmint, but they were the same kind of shape and they were also, yeah, they were also like $0.02 at the fish and chip shop. And then they went up to $0.05 and. 

What were? Called. Spim. Texture, but there was fruity flavour. Plenty. Delicious. Yes. Anyway, so candy shop still #1. 

I was like, I'm not buying that. It's a ripple. Ohh, that's right. Yes, yes, that's where it came from. But we have a new a new entry. So let's recap first conditioner one, I hate it or love it #2 the game. 

Yes. Yes. Yes, you skip, skip. The next one is #3, which we'll talk about in a SEC, yes. 

Makes that lonely #4, and since you've. 

Yes. She's be gone. Ohh. Since you be gone's on. The way out. Makes me sad. 

Don't know. Anyway, brand new song #3 on the charts. Hollaback girl, Gwen Stefani. 

OK. 

No. 

All of that. 

As a good song, it's very interesting. Different, unusual. It had that football marching band thing going on, that whole cheerleader vibe, which I think for her was a bit of a retort to some comments that were made. 

About her? Yes, so debut solo album Love Angel music baby. This track was the third single from the album. Co wrote with Pharrell Williams. 

You can hear you can hear that Neptune. It's kind of sound in there can't. Yeah, absolutely. Especially with just the beat and the and the and the the marching band stuff. 

The production underneath it. Yep. Yeah, he's. 

Clever. That's Terrell. Isn't he good producer? 

He is, I know, genius. But I was gonna make a song I'd make. It with him, yes. 

Would you? Yeah, yeah. 

It gained attention because, like you say, allegedly, the song was a response. The song was a response to a comment made by 1 Courtney Love. Who had referred to Gwen as a cheerleader in a derogatory manner. 

Hmm. 

It was an interview in 17 magazine in 2004 and Courtney Love said being famous is just like being in high school. But I'm not interested in being the cheerleader. I'm not interested in being Gwen Stefani. She's the cheerleader and I'm out in the smoker shed. Gosh, like, why would you come after Gwen, honestly? 

That is. Yeah. But for Gwen, like she obviously got to her, you know, because she's gone out of her way to make this tune. Which? 

But she didn't say anything. She didn't say anything at the time. She never mentioned it. And I think we were all speculating, but nobody actually knew. And it was years later that Gwen referred to it in. 

Was actually rather successful. Yeah. 

I think it was an interview with Billboard, but many, many, many years later. So yeah, that was also part of the appeal. 

Right. 

Who is she? Holler back Girling at. Like what's? What's triggered this? 

Yeah. And it was Courtney Love, which is kind of disappointing because maybe you, you know, you'd expect Courtney Love to be, you know, rude. 

Yeah. 

There's many songs made about Courtney Love. Well, there could be a whole playlist of songs about Courtney Love, allegedly allegedly, not even allegedly. 

Allegedly. Probably not, yes. 

So yeah, she was saying that in this in this interview, years later, she was being bullied by someone and being called a cheerleader. And she said that growing up, she wasn't cool. She was the opposite of that. And so she said to Pharrell, let's do a song. Let's do it a song. Let's let's turn it into an anthem about empowerment and self confident. 

Hmm. 

This so she leaned in instead of denying the cheerleader label, leaned in hard, and basically built the whole song around cheerleading, chants and teaching us all to spell BANANAS. One of the most iconic pop culture moments of the 2000s, we can all spell bananas, thank you very much, Wen. 

Ohh yes. 

Yeah, but I mean, except for the fact that people may have started to get confused between and bananas because she says this is bananas. 

Well, the, the the radio at it and the the version of the video clip on YouTube is interesting because obviously she doesn't say she's like. And so all the way through the video clip she got. A finger over lips going. It's quite annoying. 

Because it's like. 

Isn't she saying like this? My this, my. 

But in the edited version it's my, it's my. 

And and so the visual when I hear that lyric is somebody like. 

Bringing you their turds in their hands are on a plates in their hands. 

Bringing up in no just cupped in their. 

Sent to you, OK. 

Dismay, and I'm like and I'm. 

Type 2 or like what like on the Bristol Stool chart? What type is the poo? 

Doesn't really matter. 

Certainly give that. 

Thought I'd like to think it was a perfectly formed one. Maybe three. Yeah, but the just the here it is. And I'm like, I don't. Well, what are you doing? That's weird. And then it's bananas. So it's like, oh, it's OK. It's only bananas. Doesn't matter. I don't know. But you said that Pharrell would be your music. 

Type. Like a sausage or snake? Yeah. 

Oh. 

Producer and I'm trying to think of who I would get to produce mine, but I'm wondering who did Tony Kaye's in the? Is this the way to Amarillo? Cause I'd be like. 

Hmm. 

Is this the? 

**** yeah, that's me all over. That's my producer. 

Ohh dear anyway, so Gwen takes this dig and turns it into a stadium chant, which just tops the charts. Everybody loves it. She didn't name names, she just kind of let it sparkle and sat with it for years. I'd love to hear what Courtney Love. 

Hmm. 

Would have to. Say about it once. She kind of figured it out, but we we didn't. Hear it? Hmm. 

Didn't they names? But I I mean, if I was a plantain, I'd be offended. 

It was her first number one single in the US. It was also notable for being the first digital download to sell over 1,000,000 copies. 

Really. 

In the US. Yeah. 

Tops the charts over here in Australia, the UK, Canada. And I love the memes about it that again, these memes have been out for years, but I just love it. And and people are saying if only Gwen Stefani had chosen to spell out definitely unnecessary, that would have been so much more helpful cause we got bananas. Bananas is fine. 

BANANAS. 

Spell some of these words that trip us up in everyday life. That would be so much more helpful. 

I'm still trying to trying to put it into context like the you're at. The doctor's like, Miss Joe. I'd just like to tell you. That your, your your stool sample came back. It's got very high level of potassium in it. So in short this. 

All you put in a sample. 

Is bananas. 

More. 

And this is the T -, 20 version of Old Man yells at cloud. Really. We're being honest. We're opening up the boom box. 

I think it's my favourite segment. 

It's your opportunity to complain, to share your complaints with the entire T -, 20 audience and. 

Won't mock you. We'll join in because chances are, it's also our complaints. We feel it in our bones. 

Yes. It's not a large audience. It's not a large audience, but it's a respected, educated, informed, attractive, empathic, safe, sathy savvy. 

No. Sassy. Hmm. Yes. 

Highly intelligent highbrow. Our audience. Yes, that we love and respect a lot and relate to and appreciate. So you're in a safe space here. If you wanna make a complaint. A boomer complaint elsewhere out in the rest of the world, somebody you could make this complaint. Some rando turn around and hear you and just go. OK, boomer. 

Hi bro. We did. We did. Your boom is safe with us. No, no, no. We embrace it. 

Not here, not here, not us. Not on our watch. And not while the boom box is open. What have we got? 

No. All right. Are we? Ready. This one's from Luke. 

Yes. Ohh I was born ready. Born ready to boom. 

Luke booms. Hmm. You know a log in from a new device, and that device is my phone. My one and only phone that I and I alone used to log in several times every single day. And the geographical location is my house, you say thank you so much for warning me. I will contact Interpol. 

Oh my God, that is so frustrating. 

I was trying to read a book review for the book segment. Later in this show and good reads was a bit beige this week. So I went to Amazon cause you just, yeah, loose units on Amazon, reviewing books. I'll get some. 

Aside from. Yes. Yeah. 

Still there and to to look at the reviews of the book it asked me. To log in. I was like, yeah, you usually do that. So then I went. I'll go to. I'm gonna go to Amazon US and it asked again. And I was like ohh password in and then it was asking me for my password. 

You gotta be you gotta be aware. 

Hmm. Hmm. 

Yeah. Ohh you really. You just gave up. Just went. Oh, you can have it. 

Well, I really wanted to read the reviews because this is how much I care about this show I wanted. Yeah, I wanted some good reviews. I did get a good one. 

Yeah. 

But and then you. 

Did you did all your cheques and balances right? You leaned yes. 

I didn't. Well, it was on the House computer. If the House computer's asking me for my password, I trust it. 

You should already have it in there. 

Well, then he gave me a pre fill and then that was wrong. And then another one was wrong and then another was wrong. And then I got in there and I got a review. And then like 3 hours later something popped up on my phone saying you've. 

Somebody who's trying to log in. 

Logged into Amazon, click in here. 

Wow finger on the pulse there. Phone well done. 

So I don't know if yeah anyway, but that's that's true. It's true. What? 

I hate that, but look. 

I think it's excessive. I think it's exactly safety 1st and you. 

Safety first, but it is excessive. I don't need an email. I don't need a text. I don't need a phone call. I don't need a. Patient, I don't need a letter in the mail to tell me that I've logged on to something from the devices that I always use to log into that thing. I agree. 

OK, I would never. I would never doubt. Like I said, it's a safe place and I'd never downplay a boom. But and I know that those things are annoying, but there is this thing where it's like and I don't know how people managed to do it, but I get these notifications on Facebook and it's. 

Hmm. 

Hmm. 

Like hacked again. 

Don't answer any friend request from me. 

And with that, we're at the Entertainment TV box office movies proportion of the proceedings. 

Yes, we are. You're right. 

I just. I'm just not introducing anything very well at the moment. 

You you're OK at the moment you're glitching. 

Yeah, I think so. I've had plenty of moments throughout and I've managed to cover them up rather successfully, so we'll press on. Yeah. Ohh, thank you. 

Stop pointing it out, then you #1 you're number one at the US and the Australian and the AU, AU and U.S. box office number one is the interpreter. 

You're concerned. Yes. Yes. 

I'm scared and my protector is someone who doesn't believe me. 

Are we using her as bait? 

What is she now? 

Victim or a suspect? I don't. 

Know. 

Is that you? Can you tell me what somebody like you is doing a rebel rally? 

The question you should be asking is why would somebody take a picture and type the names of everyone in it on the back is a death list. 

What's going on? 

She just got on the. 

Bus get with me here. We got a situation. Get Sylvia broom off that bus. 

Now. 

What are you doing on that? 

Bus someone might get hurt. How the hell am I supposed to protect you if I don't know where you are? 

I can't tell you. Someone might get hurt. They're not our family and they're not our friends. You told me that. 

Are you going to be there until morning? 

Yeah, I'll be here. 

He's here. 

We're out of time, Tobin. 

Of all the people that I've looked into since this thing started, the one with the darkest history is you. 

Wow stacked cast Nicole Kidman as Sylvia Broome. 

I'm sorry, but what the **** was that accent? 

A UN interpreter. I'll get to that. Sean Penn as Tobin Keller, a Secret Service. So Sylvia Broom, Nicole Kidman's character is a UN interpreter originally from the fictional actor I Love a movie that puts in a fictional African country. 

Is that? It's because nobody could place the accent, so we'll just pretend it's made up made up. 

Of matobo. So she's, like, tried to do a set their freaking accent, I think. But this is how people sound in Matobo, OK? 

Yeah. 

That's how they sound. They sound like Nicole Kidman. 

It's like her. Her accent sounds fake, so we'll just make up a country. Stop. No, no, no. 

I am a UN interpreter from the country of Matobo. 

She didn't sound like that. I don't. I can't even. I can't even place. 

Sure she did. 

It. 

Sure, sure she did. But before there was Wakanda, there was Matobo. 

Weird. They did they. It was Co Co was the language. Hey, you. She learned to speak. She learned to speak it for the role and. 

Two yeah 2. They created it. There's a pretend language. They invented it. 

The fictional yes, because. The accent was. So they had to create a whole language. 

That gives a whole language and like we've got Nicole Kidman look, we've got Nicole Kidman on the cast. And I gotta tell you, I I can't place where that accent is from. They're like, don't worry. I've got the best idea. We'll just can make it up. We'll make it up. She's from the African nation. 

Around it. That's commitment. Her her accent, which let's make up a language. 

Matobo and she speaks, yeah, COO COO, she speaks COO, COO. OK can you just give us a week? 

This is cool, cool. 

Back they developed an entire language of the film. Sean Penns in there. He's a great. Actor. 

What? 

It's lovely. It's lovely that she's so popular. It's they would make. 

Yeah. So the whole premise for the interpreter, she she's gone back to the General Assembly hall somewhere in the is this your first movie to ever be filmed in the UN headquarters in New York, by the way? Yes. So yes, that's a big deal. And they invented and then they invented a new country to join the UN as well. 

Up a whole lovely. I know. Outstanding. 

Tobo. So she's she's she's at work late and she hears somebody talk about it in the session. That assassination plot. I sounded like small Corrie. I'm getting my own accent a little bit. Now she's it's assassination. But there, she's like, like, the target is a guy called Edmund Ziwani who's an African president. I don't know if he's the President of Matobo. 

Ohh, it was loosely based on was it Mugabe? I think it was loosely. 

One sign. 

Based. 

Really. 

On maybe I don't know. I think it was. Mugabe. Yeah, maybe. 

Really. So they just said what rhymes with Mugabe ziwani. That's what we'll call it. Sounds like she hears that. And then the Secret Service, she tells them. And then that's Sean Penn, comes in and investigates. And then. Like ohh, there's more to this chick than meets the eye. You know I can't place that accent and I'm not sure if she's motovun. I'm not sure I'm just. 

That's not the mother tongue that we know. 

I'm not sure. Let's not talk about her mother's tongue like that at all. Anyway, that was the interpreter. That was the thing. There was a TV premiere as well. You love this one. I mean, this is madness. This show show dog mums and dads. 

From the Tobin no. 

Right. I love dog shows. My life is dogs, dogs and more dogs. 

Jesus is with me 24 hours a day. She's my best friend. 

We never discipline. These babies can do it whenever they want, and we never get upset. 

What's the point of you having a dog if you can't play dress? 

Up. 

With it? Well, dogs are the new babies. 

I've dropped. 

I don't have kids. These are my kids. My life revolves around these balls. 

This I'm I'm a bit triggered by this. I'm a bit triggered by this. I'm a bit triggered by a lot of the the the dog shows that kind of came out around this time, including Cesar Milada. We know like some of the practises that they. 

You are a show dog. Mum. 

They they do. And the way they treat their animals weren't all that they were cracked up to be. So there's a bit of a caveat there. 

What? 

Umm, although these are like my dogs are my babies. So they were very well looked after dogs. They were treated like humans basically. 

Yes, well. Dogs are the best people. Hmm? But dog people? 

Do you remember when we went to the Canberra show probably 20 years ago in 2002, 2004, so 21 years ago? Yes. And we went and sat and we watched the fly. 

Yes, yes. 

Ball. Do you remember how you felt? 

It was amazing, a sight to behold. Yeah, they were intense. 

Remember the lady that had scrunchies in her hair and there were dogs on the scrum. 

Yes, she was very into it. 

And the way she yelled when she threw the tennis ball. 

Very interesting. Yes. She was very enthusiastic. 

People that do things like dog shows and dog competitions, very passionate but very much love their dogs. 

Very passionate, very much. The dogs are treated exceptionally well and I you know what, I don't think it's all as much as I say. It might be a little bit weird. Is it really? 

Hmm. 

Is it really to channel all of your positivity and energy into into a creature that only knows love and positivity and loyalty? 

Your dog's dogs deserve it. How many New Years have we sat watching the Crufts dog? 

Show it's. 

That's great. I really enjoy it. 

Looks like our New Year's thing. 

But the handlers are interesting to say the least, and this is what this shows all about. It's all about the handlers inside. Look into the lives of five passionate dog owners as they prepare for dog shows across the USA. Coleman. 

Yes, yes, yes. 

Hmm. 

It's a bit like what was that other one with the? Mums. Dance Moms. Yeah, but with pets. With dogs? Yeah, the whole the notes. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Culminate. Well, less fleas as well. Can't have fleas if you don't. 

Stage moms, but yes. Less tans, less tans, more fleas. There was a gay couple navigating the show world with 0 prior experience, a mother son duo Raising Australian Shepherds. I love the Australian Shepherds, gorgeous Donk, gorgeous. They would have won. 

Yes. Beautiful dog. Great dog. Yes, yes. Well, they treated those ones like children. So I dare say. 

For sure. Beautiful. Beautiful. They wore out. They had matching outfits. With their dogs. 

Yeah. 

I think you should do that with Mildred for you and Mildred matching outfits. 

Yeah, but I think I think I think the dogs were in charge in that relationship. I think the dogs chose the outfits for the owners and the dogs were actually like, yeah, you think you're going to a dog show, but we're showing you on the TV. That's what I think that was a total role reversal. They the dogs were far more intelligent than the people that owned them. 

The dose. A couple who hired a dog psychic to help their pup get in the right mental zone for the competition. 

This confused me because I thought it might have been a psychic dog as well. I thought there would be one dog going to another dog with a. 

No. Psychic no. 

Crystal. Ball and a little turban on. Its head? No, I was wrong. 

No, no. There was a lot of. A lot of ritual and practises there was home homemade dog yoga routines called Doga to calm the pups before Showtime, gourmet meals that included filtered water, fillet manure and hand massage pale. That's a very good idea because kale is very rough. 

Hmm. 

Goga. 

Good move. 

Nothing wrong with that. I don't. Really. I don't care how long you massage kale for. 

Kyle is very Kyle is very uncomfortable to eat. 

You can massage it until your heart's content you, you know. Going to change the texture of tail. 

I'd like a hand massaged kale because I feel it's very rough and I don't enjoy eating it, so I think I think this is what we've been missing. Is the hand massaged kale. 

I don't. I just picture somebody else's hands on food and that turns me off immediately. Makes me sick. 

Massaging it while they're wearing gloves. If they wearing those, the food gloves, that's fine. 

Makes me sick. I liked the guy with the custom built van for the poodles. Climate. 

Ah yes. 

Nice. Definitely it was. It was pretty. They played a straight bat. They just let the people on the show speak for themselves and they really did like you remember that movie best in. Go there. It was done by the guys who did. Spinal Tap. Yes. There's a mockumentary style, but they just let these guys do it. And to be honest with you, I think that art imitated life. Life imitated art in that in that thing. I I've said that saying quite a few times in the podcast over the last few weeks. But in this case, I think it's it's it's applicable. And Bravo was that. 

Yes. Because that was kind of taking taking. The ****, wasn't it? Yeah. 

That that was the reality TV. But everything was on Bravo, remember? And they were like, you don't need to script these people of gold. And I, I'd I'd say that's probably correct. But I think that the dogs probably were much more in the know than them. 

Yes. Might be 1 to go back and watch show dog moms and dads. 

I don't know. I know. I just. I I find it really hard to watch people. Not do the right thing towards their dogs and I I'm not saying that they did or didn't. I just. I haven't watched it for a while. I enjoyed it at the time, but it's a different time. That was a different time. This is a different. Time and what's next, books. OK. Books. Sure. Books we didn't read. 

Yeah, great. New York Times bestseller. 

What it's a best seller. It's not a non fiction, it's a fiction. Watch what genre are you? 

No. Fiction. Mystery, I think, is mystery thriller. 

Mystery. Oh. Oh, AA mystery thriller. 

That was a. 

Creepy eye. 

Well, it's a mystery thriller. 

You're sorry? I I glitched. 

You're right, I just went. 

Creature. 

Mystery thriller is called no place. Can you fix your eye? No place like home by Mary Higgins. Clark, can you fix your eye and? 

Oh no. 

Then tell us. 

About it please. 

I probably have. I I need to do the eye to stay in character though if I'm doing a mysteries really in a riveting thriller from the number one best selling queen of suspense, a young woman is ensnared into returning to the childhood home she wanted to leave behind forever, and where her hidden past emerges with a new and deadly. 

No, nothing to look good. Crepes, naps. 

For. 

Twist 10 year old Lisa Barton shoots her mother while trying to protect her from her violent husband. He's stepfather while the death is ruled his accident, as is Lisa or Lisa, because as Lisa with Z should be Lisa, I'm sorry, I should have known that Lisa is one of my favourite performance Liza Minnelli. So while the death is ruled accidental. 

Liza, Liza. 

Tabloids still compare, Liza. 

Right. 

To the child murderess Lizzie Borden lies as adoptive parents, changed her name to Celia Celia, and try to erase all traces of her past. Because she's now Celia widowed after a brief marriage which she had a son, Jack. She remarries a young lawyer, Celia. He's happy until on her birthday. He presents her with a gift. The house where she killed her mother. Wow, that was thoughtful, wasn't it? It did. The thought counts as well. I'm moving in. They find the words little Lizzie's place beware. Painted in red letters on the lawn. 

Hmm. 

On the lawn with red letters. Wow. When the real estate agent who sold the house to her husband is murdered, she becomes a suspect. Celia, that is not Lizzie. Ohh. Same person. Hang on. What's going on? As she struggles to prove her innocence, Celia and her little son Jack. Are being stalked by the killer. 

What? So she moves like she accidentally kills her mum and then her her second husband after the first husband dies, buys the house where she kills the mum. Did the husband know that that was the house where she shot her mum? Or did he just? Was it just a? 

Shoot to. Shoot to mum, I'm. Trying to protect her. 

Incidents once our time. 

It's a bit too much going on here. Mary Higgins. Clark, I know you've made the top of the New York Times bestseller list, but I think you just got lucky, I think. You're trying to do too much. 

Da Vinci Code just needed a week off. 

Yeah, that's it. And I think you're just doing too much. So what have we got? Review wise, hit me. 

OK, Paulina, one star didn't like it. Guess who it was from the first couple of chapters. Didn't like Celia Nolan. And why did the book have to end in a marriage? So this lady was married three times. 

Yes. 

Oh. 

In the space of like 6 years, why did she have to marry the D? Hey and interestingly with Paulina, one star as I was reading Paulina, One stars review, I noticed beneath paulina's one star Review, 9 replies or 9 comments on her review. Normally nobody comments on other people's reviews. 9 comments, here's a couple of the. 

Yes. Yes, I can see. 

Replies in the comments to Paulina so Paulina. 

So. 

We've just read paulina's. 

The One star review alright crystal to Paula. 

Can you be? With a K. 

Sure. 

Spoiler alert much. 

Now, can you be right? 

Can I be raged? Yes, I can be raped. Yeah. Thanks for ruining the same book before I opened it. Muppets like you shouldn't be allowed near the reviews. 

And Deborah Krejcik, can you be Deborah Krejcik? 

Deborah cried. You. Of course I gave a crap. You just wrecked the book for me. Need to note your name so I don't read any more of your. 

Reviews yes, and on and on it where people were very angry with Paulina, once staff for ruining the book, yes. 

That's really that, yeah. Because you gave it away. Wow. 

Maybe she gave away too much. 

I think she did well, she said. She guessed who it was, didn't like the person. Why did the book end with the wedding? She was. 

She's probably. 

Just gave away the wedding. 

Yeah. And then the DA she met she. Well, you know, she's gonna marry the District Attorney. I don't know. I mean, you know, it is what it is. 

She didn't talk about the house. 

Ohh whatever. 

OK. 

Janet two stars. Listen to this in the car was pretty sure I knew the culprit early on, but the last track was scratched, so I had to go to the used book store and read the last chap. 

Hmm. 

It was just as I suspected. 

That's commitment. Teeth that would **** you off wouldn't know. 

This is like. A I knew it. I knew it. 

Yeah. And then you get to like the final chapters like the final. 

Yeah. 

Chapter. Yeah, I know. Annoying hate that. Hate that. And then she went to the used book store and she just knew it anyway. Or Janet. Two stars. 

You know, never you can't get to it. Well, the CD too, you ******. 

Hmm. 

I like Vivian bees. She gave it one star. And simply said monotonous drivel. 

Yeah, OK, now this is the. This is why I got a text from Amazon AU or Amazon UK or Amazon US. I think I've been hacked. So this better be worth it. Everybody Kindle customer, one star. I really do not like writing. 

And the bean base. 

Right. 

Reviews why do they require this? Why can't this be bypassed if I don't want all caps to do? 

This you know what else that person doesn't like? Doing I reckon. What the thinking of user names Kindle customer. There's so many books that I'm never going to. 

Read well, definitely not gonna read that one. That's I'm just confused by the synopsis. 

Yes. Yeah, we I'm glad. I'm glad that we embark on those books we didn't read. Just so I know not. Yeah, I'm reading a book at the moment about some. Yeah, some scientists who they're like, it's said in some weird dystopian, I don't know, whatever scientists. Well, it's going really well. But then they get invaded by alien species and they're all, like, wholly evolved. 

Right. 

Are you reading? 

And whatever. And they're like, you guys don't understand the wars over before it began. And we're kidnapping you, and we're going to take your brightest and best minds, and you're gonna do stuff for us. And they put them on a spaceship. I don't know what it is, but they treat them like hamsters, basically. So they got a little mat over in the corner. They need to poop on. They're all naked and they're just crammed in these conditions together until they walk off to their planet. It's really weird. Yeah. 

Why are you reading? 

Yeah, the humans are going, having conversations on the Matt while the higher, the higher, higher form beings like, hey, we're gonna walk to our home planet soon. Very great story. Very interesting. Yeah, very weird. Sorry. Hatches, matches and dispatches. I got. Just got such odds. But I do read books. It's just that. 

Type 2, Type 2 or Type 3. 

Wins. 

I I generally I'm always non fiction or I read PDF, PDF, PDF's that I download off someone who says click here on Instagram. That's generally what I read. 

Never gonna be New York Times bestsellers. Yeah, you can read pedia. 

Hmm. 

Maybe you get start a review site called Good Peeds. I don't know that could actually. Yeah, that's probably not grapes. 

Yes, good patience. 

Good. Put a put of sorry I put off in the wrong direction and we need to talk about the hatches, matches and dispatcher segment cause it's well, yes, they want to get on the they wanna be downwind of a product. 

I wanna do that when the wind's. Blowing the wrong one. Gosh. 

A celebrity having a birthday because there was nothing else going on that said this. 

I have other stuff you should come see me on the weekend. 

Ohh Gee, I wonder who that was. If you said Jerry Seinfeld. 

The purse you were poor. 

And I. Many happy returns to the man that brought us so much joy with that show that went from 1989 to 1998 Sinfield. The show about nothing that was just so funny. 

Hmm. 

It was very funny, wasn't it? The ****** characters bizarre side plots. Pettiness. I loved the pettiness, actually, I just love. I love that, and I want to see that happen more. I want to be. I want people to be more outwardly petty like that. 

Yes, yes. 

Yes. 

They had a lot of petty hang ups that I had. So and it's it's not great like none of the characters particularly that that good a bunch of people and I'm probably relate to each and every one of them. But I think everyone does, I think everyone does to a degree and that's what made. 

Yeah, I know. Yeah, you do. Yes. It so good, 10 Emmys. Hmm. Well, some of the big ones, the yeah. My dad's favourite episode, I think still quotes it though I was in the pool. 

Ohh the shrinkage the shrinkage. 

Yes, he loves. 

Episode that was a good episode. No soup for you was pretty good too. I don't know. Come back on you. 

I don't know if I don't know if you could call someone one of. Those these days? Yeah, I. 

A soup Nazi there, I said it. 

Don't think you can add. I don't think you can. Add that word to the end of things anymore. 

Do you I one of my favourite scenes was because, you know, he always used to date all these. Jerry was dating someone all the time. This scene was awesome. 

I'm sorry, Jerry. I just don't think this is gonna. Work. 

Really, I thought. 

I know. I'm sorry. 

Tip. Isn't expected from the way you've been acting. 

Are you sure you want to talk about this? Cause I sure don't. 

Of course I want to talk about it. 

OK. I guess things change for me on Tuesday night. 

Night. What happened Tuesday night? 

I saw your act. 

Well, what? What does that have? To do with anything. 

Well, to be honest, it just didn't make it for me. It's just so much love. 

Can't believe it's. So what are you saying? You didn't like my act? So that's it? 

I can't be with someone if I don't respect what they do. 

You're a cashier. 

So good because it's so big and you're cashier, he's great. 

I love him. He's the best happy birthday, Jerry Seinfeld one. Of the best comedians of our time, one of the best sitcoms of our time, I don't think you'll ever get anything like that. They were gonna give him $5,000,000 per episode to keep. It. Going but he walked away, didn't do it, had enough and it was great. And now he does like what is it? Comedians in? 

Is that enough? 

Cars getting coffee and all of that sort of stuff. 

I think it was ready to end as well. I think if you kept it going much longer it would have lost that appeal and now people are going back. 

Yeah, I think so too. 

To. It Jen, Jen ZD and the whatever generation are coming up. 

Yes. Aye. 

These days, they're going back to. 

It's it's got almost like that faulty tower seeing faulty towers a bit different because it was very that was very short run. There wasn't many episodes of that. But Seinfeld is one of those series that I I. 

It. 

It's comfortable when you go back to it and it's still funny. I think that's the thing. It's still funny. Emmy Awards, Golden Globes, all of that. He's got all of them. He in 2017, he became the highest paid comedian in the world thanks to the Netflix deal. He did. And Seinfeld being syndicated and just raking in money all the time. He's still doing very well. He came out to Australia. 

Yes. 

I think last year, remember there was that thing where all of a sudden some protesters started going on at that and the less we say about that the better cause. It really wasn't a an appropriate place to do that. But he's done a lot of live stuff. He's done some filmmaking. He did unfrosted the pop tart. Story which came out on Netflix in May last year. Lots of stuff he's he's does a residency at the Colosseum at Caesar's Palace in Las Vegas. Multiple performances scheduled throughout 2025. So if you're in Vegas, Seinfeld would probably be one of the hottest tickets on the block. 

MHM. 

Umm. 

That would be pretty good I. 

Hmm. 

I what I love like I remember you got the the box set years and years ago and we started watching it again and when we worked on the radio we were fortunate enough to have. 

Yeah. 

Not Cramer, the actor. 

Michael Richards. No, no, not him. 

But the real Kenny Kramer, on which Kramer was based? So the guy that Michael Richards based Kramer off. 

Yeah, the guy that lived because Jerry Seinfeld was loosely based on Larry David. Larry David lived across the corridor in the apartment complex from the real campground. 

Kenny Kramer and he did this. Tour of Australia like it was. Like a spoken was it a spoken word thing or? 

Well, he, he. 

Like just like. Kramer, very hair brained character and would do anything to kind of get rich quick like turn us, get like coffee table books, you name it. You know all that sort of stuff. So he he very quickly jumped onto the Seinfeld bandwagon. He's like, I'm the real Kenny Kramer. He was doing tours around New York and stuff the difference between him and Michael Richards. 

Needed some money. They need to make some money, yeah. 

Yeah. 

I'm the OJ, yeah. 

Had this big, long, curly grey hair and a moustache, but he still looked every he was still very Cramer like he was. He was the Cramer, the Alpha Cramer. 

Yeah. Yes. 

Very eccentric. And he was doing a tour and he came into the radio station. And we'll just thinking, I wonder what we're going to get. And he came in and he tripped down the. 

Yeah. 

Door. 

Yes, as soon as he walked through the stories and I was like, oh, my God, it's Kramer. 

He came through the door. And he tripped through it. But he didn't do it on purpose. He he literally tripped down the. 

No, but. 

Step of the door in. 

That, that, that. Particular moment took me a lot to recover from, to get through the rest of the conversation. 

That was great. That was so good. And I'm pretty sure he asked if he could sleep. At your house. 

He did, he say? He he well, he he was alluding to it and I very quickly deflected because he was he was touring around Australia and he's like I was thinking about spending a few more days. Like, have you got a spare room or something? And I was like, mate, no, sorry. 

Yeah. 

I think I. Think you should have said yes, I think. But thinking back now, imagine. 

There's a 2 bedroom flat in linum. No. 

Imagine what could have. 

Happened, but he he he might still be here. Who knows who. 

Probably, yeah. 

Alright. 

Anyway, but we we did a segment we we got him to do the shapo because we did the shapo challenge. How quickly could he fill the shaper with the shapes from the Tupperware? And he was he was. 

Yeah, they're they're little Fisher price. Sorry. Yeah. Ohh, Tupperware. Sorry. 

Terrible at that. 

Hmm. 

But then you and him acted out a scene from Seinfeld. 

That's right. We got to, we got to do a scene and and and and good old Mel doesn't throw anything away. She saved it. And here it is. 

It was incredible. No. 

We should set it up. Everybody saying that, you know, for those you didn't know this episode, that there's finally this naked woman, this woman addressing across the street from Jerry's apartment. And Kramer has been like looking at this through spy glasses for, like the last week, which caused him to lose the. 

M. 

Contest. Yeah. Good morning. Good morning. Yeah. Good morning. Nothing like some good solid sack time, Jerry. 

She's not there. She's doing the watch. 

Ohh so did you make it through the night? 

Yes, I'm proud to say. 

Did so, you're still master of your domain. 

Yes, yes, I am master of my domain, but I will tell you this. I'm going over to her apartment and I'm telling her to put those shades down. Ohh. 

What did you just say? 

I can't take it anymore. She's driving me crazy. I can't sleep. I can't leave the house. And I'm here. I'm climbing the walls. Meanwhile, I'm dating a virgin. I'm in this content. Something's gotta. 

Give you hear what you're saying. Can you hear it? This is a beautiful woman walking around naked. You wanna stop her? The dumbest thing I ever heard. Man. Think of it. I'm not gonna let you do. 

It Jerry. Well, I'm doing it. Get out. Of my way. 

Stop. No, no, no. You can't do it. You can't do it. This is something that comes up once in a lifetime. We were boys looking through our bedroom windows. We would think. Why can't there be a woman? But they're taking her clothes off, and now the wishes come true. And you wanna you wanna throw it away? I'm sorry. 

Kenny Crum was a very good generator. Well, I thank you. I do my best. 

Ohh dear, that was funny. Yeah, so that was the that was me in the real Creamer, I was Jerry and he was Creamer and that. 

The real crime, but how much did? Like your Jerry was great. You, you you went through. You went through every every state of Jerry in. 

I don't know about that. 

I had two I had to do it. 

With this. 

I loved that, but all. 

So. 

How much did he lean into Kramer I. 

He was very good. 

Think he's done that script before? 

I think he had. So that was, that was the episode the competition. Remember the competition where they basically weren't allowed to pleasure themselves and and and and and there was the naked and. And it was funny because in the first scene of that, I think in that episode was great where it was like Jerry is there and they they saw the person and Kramer disappears. 

Does. Incredible. Yes. You know. Yeah. Yeah. And there was a naked lady. 

In the background and he comes. Back about 3 seconds later, it throws his money down on the bench. I. 

Yes, that's. 

Guess I'm out. It was so good. It was so good. That's a that was a. Yeah. That was one of the better moments that I think I had on the radio. So that was great. It wasn't a very good Seinfeld impersonations, but it was certainly it was. 

It was great. It was so good and I I actually wish you had, like Kenny Kramer sleep at your house. Cause who? 

Certainly a lot of fun. 

Knows what would have happened. 

I said no about that. No, about that. Where's? Your other hand between two pillows. They're not pillows. OK, that's it. That was nice to relive that moment. Happy birthday, Jerry Seinfeld, for giving us an excuse to do that. That's awesome. And that's the end. We're done for this week. Thank you very much. You come find us on the socials. Don't forget to to to help U.S. Open up the boom box. Send your booms. 

Yeah, we need some. Yeah, some voice notes. 

Get on the on the, on the socials. 

Do it with your little you press a little microphone in the message thing and you just record it. 

Yeah, I've done that accidentally so many times to so many people. 

I do that to you all the time and I have to delete it. 

Yeah, sorry. I I. 

Intend to delete it before I send it. Sometimes I've. 

I send it, then I delete it. 

It. Yes. Well, and and then I'm like, she's deleted a message. And like, what horrible thing did she say to me that she had second thoughts on? Anyway, the socials search for t -, 20 podcast and then you can send us those messages there Facebook, Instagram, TikTok. I nearly said Twitter, but that's not even a thing anymore. And hell no, I don't wanna go anywhere near that. But you can find us anything next week. Car. Who cares? Whatever, right? 

I don't know. Say it. We'll see you then. You'll be good. Don't worry. 

Yeah, we'll win it. Just come back, come back. We'll. I promise you it'll be good. It'll be good. We promise. We love you. We appreciate you. Take care of yourself. We'll see you next time. 

Bye. 

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