Schapelle’s boogie board bombshell and Star Wars’ darkest chapter

Rewind to 22 May to 28 May 2005 — the boogie board that broke Australia made headlines, Carrie Underwood hit her high note and Darth Vader finally got his glow-up.

🧳 Schapelle sentenced.The verdict that divided the country. Schapelle Corby was found guilty of smuggling 4.1kg of weed into Bali, sentenced to 20 years and instantly became a tabloid obsession. Whether you believed she was framed or just very chill about oversized bags, one thing's for sure — that boogie board became the most famous in Australian history.

🎤 Carrie wins idol.With a side part, a dream and a set of lungs that could level a small town, Carrie Underwood crushed Season 4 of American Idol. She beat Bo Bice, made “Alone” her own, and instantly became the future of country-pop — orange cheetah-print dress and all.

🛸 Revenge of the sith hits hard.Anakin snapped, Padmé sobbed and Obi-Wan got the high ground. Revenge of the Sith hit #1 at the box office and gave us the dark, tragic, lava-drenched climax the prequels had been teasing for years. The memes were born instantly. The heartbreak? Eternal.

🎮 Xbox 360 revealed.Forget Elijah Wood’s hair — the real star of the MTV special was Microsoft’s sleek new console. Wireless controllers! Custom faceplates! Xbox Live Marketplace! This was the start of HD gaming as we knew it — and the beginning of every broken TV blamed on Call of Duty rage.

🕰️ Big Ben stops.For 90 whole minutes, the UK’s most punctual icon took a mystery nap. Big Ben froze mid-chime, baffled engineers and became metaphor fuel for politicians, astrologers and Mercury retrograde girlies alike.

🏉 Crusaders crush Waratahs.In the last-ever Super 12 final, the Crusaders flexed hard. Richie McCaw was a machine, Dan Carter was unstoppable, and the Waratahs had no answers. It was fast, brutal, and the perfect full stop before Super Rugby expanded and got weirder.

💿 Audioslave drops new album.Chris Cornell and the Rage guys got a little softer (but no less powerful) on Out of Exile. Less rage, more reflection — and yes, “Be Yourself” is still a banger two decades later.

📚 Books we didn’t read.James Patterson dropped 4th of July, another Women’s Murder Club thriller, featuring courtroom drama, serial killers, and a sheep-herding dog named Martha — who most reviewers agreed was the best character.

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Chapters

• 0:00 intro
• 0:21 show opener
• 16:15 news
• 35:57 sport
• 39:47 open up the boombox
• 45:20 music
• 57:46 movies and tv
• 1:05:27 gaming
• 1:11:45 books we didn't read
• 1:18:35 hatches, matches and dispatches
• 1:25:20 show closer

Transcript

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The year is 2005. Anakin turns to the Dark side, YouTube debuts, and we couch jump for Mariah Mcdreamy and a girl with the Dragon Tattoo t -, 20 rewind 20 years with Joe and Mel. 

22. 

May 2005. 

This is the talk show minus. 

20 tonight. Don't dress me up. This is bananas. 

My question is, who approved that? Not really. 

Do you see where this? 

Is going. 

Welcome to the Pop Culture podcast that time travels exactly 20 years into the past, where we dig through the biggest headlines. The chart bangers, bangers on the charts, box office hits, reality TV disasters, and we find out what had us. Glued to our screens, dodging dial up. Defending our CD wallets from Boogie board bus to Star Wars closure, it's nostalgia with a bunch of receipts. It's a podcast that we call t -, 20 with your host Joe and Mel. Hello, Mel. 

I missed the CD wallet. Do you remember the big CD wallets that? You put in. Your car, when you got your stereo, your CD player or you plugged. 

Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

Your disc when you using a cassette tape. 

And then you go from one that would have like like depending on the size of your collection and one that would just take one single CD and you fold. Over 51 CD and then you get 4 CDs to a page. Yeah, that was a good time. A simpler time. 

Yeah. 

And you'd have. All your CD's in there. It was our. I remember I had one that stuck on the visor of my car and someone broke into my car once and the covers of the CD's were all in the glove box, but the CD's were actually in the visor. They stole the CD covers. 

Yes. 

Right. 

All the covers are made. 

And I thought. 

Sucked in. You're gonna get home. You're gonna open all these CD's and. Two discs. But then I had no covers for my CD, so I was still and stuff. But anyway, whatever. Yeah, if you're listening now, suck it. Yeah. Anyway, t -? 20. 

Yeah, right. Yeah, that's really frustrating. That's quite annoying. What a terrible crime. Yeah. Wow. That's so DX of you. Well. 

Done 22nd to 28th of May 2005 is what we're talking about. 

Ah. 

As the full weight of Indonesian law fell on Chappelle Corby, she appeared not to understand quite what had happened. 

It's like yesterday the the the footage the the image of Chappelle Colby standing up. 

I can. I can see her face in my mind. That look of shock. She sort of turned around and looked at her parents or her mum. And yeah, that look of shock and the the boogie board that divided the nation. 

In that courtroom. Yes. And the ongoing media circus, it was all coming to a conclusion which wasn't in favour of the defendant this time 20 years ago. 

Yes. 

Dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities, some considered to be unnatural. 

Is it possible to learn this power? 

Not from a Jedi. 

No, you've got to turn to the dark side, Anakin, for that to happen. Star Wars, Revenge of the Sith hits the box office. It's very exciting for all the Star Wars. What event? Cinema became a real thing, which we will discuss very soon. 

This. 

The winner. Of American Idol 2005 is. 

This is one of those instances where we weren't on the same page because I thought I'd do that. Crab has a bit of a hint bit in the notes. You're. 

Like. Yeah, it's Carrie Underwood. Well, you didn't. Have to read the notes. 

It's hard haha. It was. I'm sorry. Well, I'm not gonna read the notes from here on in. No, it's fine. Carrie Underwood wins. Wins. American Idol this time 20. 

You could have just not said that. Maybe you should bleep that out or something, OK? Years ago, the orange dress I forgot about the. Orange dress. But I was. 

I don't remember the orange dress. 

I saw a picture online today. The orange dress iconic. Iconic. Early 2000s dress, yes. 

Love it. 

From Carrie was. 

Yes, who loves the dress? 

It I didn't even realise Carrie Underwood was an. But a winner. I know the name. I thought she. Was just a famous. Oh, I knew she was. 

I I think we were a bit kinda as far as idle went at this point. I think we're kind. 

This was the first. This was the first year of us not doing a radio show together and we didn't. We didn't. We didn't have to. So this is 2005 is an interesting one because current events. 

Of getting a bit over it. Maybe that's why we didn't cause we have to talk about it. We didn't have to interview the losers. 

Yes, prop culture. It's had started to dip out of a little bit. So it's until we until we had enough money for the pay TV channel. That's right. Yeah, exactly. 

Till we got MTV. Then we got interested again. I wanna quiz you. 

You wanna quiz me, right? 

I wanna. I wanna see how genex you are. You actually are want you to put your genex money where your genex mouth is with quits. 

Really. 

OK, I can do I. Well, yeah, sure. 

Are you? Ready. 

I'm ready. I'm ready. 

OK, how genetics are? You question number one, what did you do when the tape got chewed in your cassette player? 

That's really easy. That's really easy. I mean, I I panicked at first, right? I I was. I was quite stressed and I panicked and I removed the tape, removed the tape from the cassette player, and of course the. 

Hmm. 

That the tape would have still been a little bit trapped on the heads when it unspooled because it chewed it gently. Try and remove that tape and then I'd get a pencil and I'd stick it into the COG of one of the tapes. 

Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. 

And I'd hold the other one in between my thumb and and pointer finger on the other side of the tape. I would twist the pencil and gently spool on the crushed chewed tape. 

Hmm. 

Correct. That was a very long winded way of saying pull out a pencil and wind it manually. 

It's a very important, delicate procedure. You can't just yank that tape out of that tape deck. You'll destroy the the the quality audio. How's there? 

In yes question #2 how genex are you? Do. Yeah. What was the actual purpose of the little? Plastic Square on a VHS tape. 

Ohh I know this one as well. It was the the little copy thing so if if you broke the square off you couldn't record over the tape. So it was like the the Little Copy Protection tab. And if you, but if you wanted to then. 

Hmm. 

Bonus points for how could you get around it? 

You just put a piece of sticky. Tape over it, yeah. That's why Gen XI am. Bring it on. I'm getting excited here. I'm getting. Yeah. 

Alright, how genex are you alright. You're listening to music. You're listening to music. Back in the day, what was the way? What was the way that you would would shuffle your cassette? 

Yes, come arson. Very. I'm very genex. Yes, I did do that as a Gen X back in the day. 

How would you shuffle your music? 

How would I shuffle my music? 

Hmm, without a shuffle button like what you would have on your iPod. 

What? 

What? What was? The way to to change what you were listening to while you're listening to cassette. 

Yeah. What do you mean? Like, yeah, you couldn't change what you listened to was asset. It was in the cassette player. You could Fast forward. To the song that you you wanted to get to and you would and you would get a visual indicator as to how fat. The spool on the typos to the the favourite song that you were after. 

There was another way to change songs without using Fast forward or rewind. 

Yeah. Some walkmans had like a a different direction function, so they changed sides without you actually having to take them out of the thing. 

So you'd change the side, you'd pull it out, and you'd switch from side A to side B. 

Well, that's. 

Oh, you know. 

Go through the channel. 

I'm giving myself a thing for that I that was a. That was a weird question. I'm just saying strange. 

OK. 

OK, what? What was the Gen X version of a Google search in high school? 

That's easy. Just go to the library, go to the encyclopaedia and then and then and then when you were copying the the text out of the encyclopaedia. So it didn't be a straight plagiarism. You would just switch some of the words around and. Stuff or some of the paragraphs around. It was like listening to a tape on shuffle. 

Very good. What was your encyclopaedia of choice? Were you Britannica or world? 

I was a world book. Yeah, well, it just depended on the school. I think I would have taken. 

Were you? Ah. 

What I could have got? 

I think I was world booked cause my auntie had world book and I could go to her place and photocopy it, but deep down I loved Britannica and I think it was because that was the that was the most common one that would come knocking. 

They were the two big brands. 

On your. Did you ever have them come? Knocking on your door. 

No, I I don't think the. 

I had one once that came at dinner time and my dad let him in. 

Door to door Encyclopaedia salespeople. 

And and he came in and he sat in our lounge room. I remember with the Britannia. I remember it clearly. He was in there for hours and he's showing us he'd had cause because it was like A-Z, wasn't it? It was. No. 

Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah. Really. Did you have a set at your house? Because for me? 

He was in. 

There for hours and it's like and then he tells us. What they cost? And we're like, we can't afford that. 

Yeah. So for me, like there was a couple of signs that people were ripped. Remember, I was talking about it like the intercom. 

Yet to be rich, yeah. 

And like if you had an intercom in your house, you were. Rich. 

An intercom like what do you mean at the front door? 

An intercom people, some people had their houses, had intercoms, not just at the front door from room to room. This is the thing I'm sure we discussed this in a previous episode. If you hadn't intercom, if you had an intercom, you were rich if. 

I don't recall, Linda, I must have. Stopped listening to you. Still got bored. 

I think my grandparents. 

An intercom, though? No, he won't. No. My grandfather was a tinkerer. I think he just rigged. 

But then they were rich. Oh, sorry. 

I think he just hooked. It up hooked it up something. 

Found it used into common repurposed. It's a flipped flipped into common. OK, so if you had an intercom, that's one of the. 

Couple of cans and some cord. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Intercom OK. 

To your more than one television. If you had two TV's. 

Oh yeah, we inherited a second one, but it was a pop up one was about this big, but we inherit we. 

Right. 

Yeah. 

Inherited so not we. 

Since base you reach. 

Weren't, but yeah, we had the Botanica guy. 

Well, if you had, if you had a set a full set of encyclopaedia in your house, you would. 

Your roots we weren't. 

And he came in, and he interrupted dinner. And he sat on the floor in her lounge room. And he just. 

Ohh Jesus, that's odd. 

Keeps looking through them and he's like here. Look at this and look at these facts. So many facts and you get like A-Z and you know, it's all all of these books. And he's flipping through and he's like and look at the quality of the paper and. 

Yeah, yeah. 

Yeah. The pictures, and we're just like he just sat on your floor and did that. 

Who are you? Dad, why did you let this guy in cause my dad's very. My dad's very black and he sat on the floor. He sat on the floor on the carpet. Mm-hmm. And then he told us what they cost, and then we were like, we can't afford that. 

Eat like. 

Get off. Floor and get. Out of my house. 

He left. Yeah, right. And then I think we had world book. 

Damn. 

As well I. 

Then and then, then the next day, did the vacuum cleaner salesman come in? And he looked at the company. So there's been an encyclopaedia guy sitting there. 

I missed those days. Right back to our jennex. 

Yes, please. Come on. You've broken my momentum. Now I feel like you've this is a cycle logical thing. 

All right. I'm sorry, I think that was an important thing to share because I don't people like the youth of today would not even know what we're talking about. 

No, no idea whatsoever. Somebody came and sold books to you. 

Have no idea where people would just come to your door. They'd knock on the door and they'd wanna come. Then they'd wanna pedal their wares at your house. Could you imagine that today? 

For door to door? Yes. Isn't that peculiar. 

You'd get stabbed if you did that. 

I I think people try and do that to sell your solar panels and stuff today, but I don't think they're. 

That's a lie. That's a that's a real life scam. They just. 

Really selling solar panels? 

See if you're home. Rob you rob. Hmm. 

Yes, yes, should be fearful. That's what we should all be living in fear. Don't answer the door. Ever. That's terrifying. Yes. 

Don't answer the deal. Don't answer the phone. Does that's that's a scam. Don't do anything. Just don't go anywhere. OK. Your next question. 

Well, except for Gen X's, I mean, we ruled the world. We were everywhere. Yeah. 

Hmm. Next question, what game required blowing into something to get it working again? 

That's UM. That's very graphic, that good graphic. No. Well, that would be the Atari 2600 cartridges or I'm talking the originals, the originals or the Nintendo? 

oh 

64. 

Yeah. 

Thank you very much. 

That's how Gen XI am Atari 2600. 

Genex quiz how genex are you? Who was your first AI assistant? 

My first AI assistant. Hmm. Teddy ruxpin. But I wasn't really AI cause you put a cassette in. 

Him, isn't it ruck bin? 

Ohh, probably it was rugby and I don't know. Yeah, I mean that teddy bear that talked that was, but he wasn't a non fact. 

Master had, like the Timu version which. Was a goose and you? 

I think, yeah. 

Put a cassette in it and it would. Sing. And its mouth would move. Freaky, no AI. 

Wasn't really artificial intelligence. Look, if you're talking like, so you're talking computer stuff, I think it's very off. Well, I I didn't really say I had a Commodore AMIGA 500 and we didn't. 

On the House computer. 

Have that that never had that. Yeah, OK, I'm. I'm getting to it. But the Commodore, the Commodore Omega 500 didn't have an assistant, but it used to have this thing. Sometimes that would happen. It would be like software failure. Press left mouse button to continue. Guru meditation. And then a whole bunch of numbers. 

OK. Well, they're not in the computer lab at school in the computer lab at school. Guru meditation. 

That's what it was it. Was a good. I'd be like hush. I've got a guru Med. Man. Ohh no, I'm gonna have to reboot. I'm gonna have to press the left mouse button to continue. 

What does that even mean? 

Guru meditation there, just like a tree pose to get it working again. Guru meditation. 

It's just a name for it. It's just some kind of name, some kind of name man for the software phone. Anyway, the AI assistants very easy. It's the the paper clip thing. The clip Clippy. Yes. 

Some card name. What's? Pipe. Have some respect. 

The IG. 

OG ChatGPT. Looks like you're writing a letter. Can I? Help you with that? Yeah. Yes you can. 

And. 

Yeah, looks like you're trying to access stuff on the Internet that you probably shouldn't be at school. 

Alright, last one, how genics are you? 

Yeah. Ohh another one cool. 

What was the danger of calling a phone number that started with 0055 without mum or Dad's OK. Oh. 

Well, it it could be a sexy phone number and it could cost you a lot of money. 

Correct. 

There was also things like the psychic Line 0055. There's lots of psychic lines that that advertise overnight. Well, not overnight cause. 

Yeah, it's the subject, yeah. 

The TV turned. 

Yeah. 

Off in the middle of the night. But when it got to about 10, sometimes you get the psychic line cyclic Meg. Remember, it's like Meg. 

Yeah. Me. Yeah, that could. That could be bad. I wonder if psychic Meg ever, like, got a couple of wrong numbers? Just maybe still decided to play along. Ohh, that was fun. That's the first quiz I've been like wildly successful at. I'm really happy about that. 

You were very good at. 

It what are? 

The 00 double fives were there. 

Numbers. Well, there was the psychic 1. 

Then, because the psychic they were the adult, what else was there? There was other things too. I'm trying to remember. 

The. Style. 

What else? You just need to double and double style. Well, they. 

Well, the competition, would you do competitions? Were there competitions? 

No, I don't think so. Ohh maybe. Although 1800. Yeah, I don't know. 

20055. 

No. I've kind of like they were just it was, you know, that. 

Was it was premium. I was just called the time guy. That was. Three, the lights the time go. 

Yeah. Yeah, I missed the time. 

Do you know someones? Put him on the he's on the Internet. They've captured his voice. You go on the Internet and look up the time dye. 

Yes. 

I know we use him in the show intro. Oh, was that him? He does the 20. That's him. It's the times. The time guy. I I hope I'm legally allowed to do that. Anyway, that's the Hatch. It's the Hatch. Just matches and dispatches clue. Part of the show that we're at now as we continue to waffle our way through it this week as celebrity that was either dead or. 

Why? Did not know. Probably not. 

Got married? Or was? I think we've got a match. Actually, we got a match this time. We'll revisit this at the end of the show. 

Good. Good news. 

But they said this. 

We didn't have this, like almost fake way to impress each other. All we had was literally our conversation. You know, it just it was the most real as a guest. 

Yeah, I caught a. 

With with Jayden. 

Fish for her. You know, like that was like the extent of, like, the courting. 

Yeah. 

I think it is one of the most early 2000s early 2000s match that you could ever have. 

Yes, yes. 

Yeah, and and I think it's one of as far as matches go, you know how sometimes it's like are they still together or aren't they pretty sure that these two are? 

Wow, I never thought that. Would last. 

We'll find out who it is at the end of the show. 

The 27th of May 2005. I'm going to say this was the biggest news story in Australia of 2005. 

The big call Bali 9 few weeks ago as well. 

Nah, this one definitely bigger, definitely bigger. It is. The conviction of Chappelle Corby. She is convicted of drug smuggling. She was? Yeah. Caught in October 2004. Well, she was arrested in 2004. I should say 27 year old beauty therapist from Queens. 

Yeah. Uh-huh. Yes. 

Land arrested in Bali at the airport with 4.1 kilos of marijuana in her boogie board bag. 

That is a significant amount. 

4.1. 

4.8 kilos. It's a lot of fun. 

It's like 4 bags of carrots. 

That's a heavy boogie board. 

4 bags of carrot, one bag. 

Yeah. 

Like makes your arm. 

Yeah, yeah. 

A bit sore and when you're walking through woollies for a while, 4 bags of carrots. 

Uh-huh. 

Imagine trying to, I know. Imagine trying to. Smoke 4 bags of carrots. 

Just think of all weight measurements in bags of carrots, cause just have. To pack bags of. 

Yeah. Well, there you go. Anyway, it's a lot. It's a lot. 

Carrots. When I worked at the fruit shop. She said she didn't know, she reckoned. 

How could you? Not know that your thing was 4 kilos heavier. 

And she said that her luggage had been tampered with by the Remember. She she blamed the baggage Chandlers during during transit from Brisbane to Bali, so she was arrested. 

Handlers. They always blame the baggage check. 

The year prior, we get to this week in 2005 and we get to the. 

October it was. 

Verdict. 

Yes. 

And she is found guilty and sentenced to 20 years in Kerobokan prison. 

Salama. 

As the full weight of Indonesian law fell on Chappelle Corby, she appeared not to understand quite what had happened. Then, after checking with her interpreter, it began to sink. In she turned to glare at prosecutors, then uttered her only words. Mum, it's OK looking a very long way from home. Chappelle called. He cried at the prospect of gaol till she's 47 years old. At the back of the court there was the same confusion at first, then bitter fury from Corbyn's sister and mother. Directed squarely at the judges. It was a hammer blow for a family that had held out hope against the seemingly inevitable, even as they'd arrived at court. 

My daughter will be coming home. OK. 

I don't. Wanna kinda? I'm going to. I'm just. I I'm just saying. Like if I had those two screaming women. 

Here we go. 

Hmm. MHM. 

Screaming at me, if that's what I was coming home. To I'd be like, yeah. 

Read the book. Away. 

I'm guilty. Put me in. Gaol. Just lock me up quickly. Quickly. 

Ohh I remember this one so clearly because it was televised live. We had it across all the telly networks. 

Yeah, it was a circus. I should make quite a bit. It's it's actually quite terrible. I could you and I remember watching it live, too, when it was very. 

Over 2 million people did I think we all did. We all stopped. We all watched. 

And honestly, at the time, as much as I look whether she was guilty or not, I was just like that poor girl, you know. 

I just always remember because you heard in that story, she she checked. I I I can visualise it. She she turned around and she checked with the interpreter and said something and then the realisation sunk in and I just remember the look on her face. And she did this look towards her mum and her sister. 

That she was guilty. 

And it was, and it was splashed across the papers, the front page the next day. And it was so it was so controversial because there were these polarising views and on one side, people were saying she's completely innocent. She's this battler and they've tampered with her bag. And how horrible is this? 

Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

Yeah, yeah. 

She's gonna be in this prison until she's in her 40s. And then on the other side of the fence was. Nah, she's a drug mule, for sure. She was in on it. She knows what's happening. They they paid someone off and they paid off the wrong person. And then someone else found it. And. 

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And. And look, you can you can do your own research into this, but with all due. Fact the the the family, the extended family never did her any favours in that regards with that story. And I mean the only people that will really know the truth at the end of the day are either the Indonesian authorities and chapelco or yourself and maybe her family. But she was found guilty. She was done. She was done for drug smuggling. 

Oh. Oh. 

Sentenced to 20 years in that prison like we. Dead. And it was just a huge media circus. The the TV stations were licking their lips when this happened and they they could not get enough of it. She was everywhere at the time. She's probably the most famous person in Australia at the time. 

Yeah, yeah. And the family, too. The the mother and the sister. They were across the media. They did a lot of interviews as well over the years and I think we were a little bit annoyed that our government wasn't doing more similar to the Bali 9. So obviously we had. The really harsh sentencing there and we were saying, well, why didn't they just let them come back here where the penalty would have been nowhere near as harsh? 

Yeah. I I do feel like the Australian government probably did more for Chappelle than they did for the Bali 9. Do you think I don't know? Actually, that's a very unqualified comment. 

I. I think they offered I and I think the challenge was that the Australian Government offered assistance, but I think in the Indonesian court said that it was their jurisdiction and they maintained the authority, but I do think I do recall the Prime Minister was John Howard at the time. 

Hmm. 

I do recall people criticising him for not doing more, but I guess you don't know behind the scenes what was actually done and discussed. 

And you. But also you don't know the circumstances. I mean, like, why? Why would you do more for somebody who is doing if they are found guilty but in a court of law, of doing the wrong thing like and they're being punished in accordance with the laws of the country that they're in? I guess it's like you're again. We talked about Barlow and Chambers. Some time ago as well, and you remember that when they got caught in Thailand smuggling heroin and they got the death penalty, they'll hang, you know, it's. And we didn't do much for them either. They stayed over there. I think there was diplomacy and all that sort of stuff, probably similar strategies, but this one was just I think we're in a a time now where it's like. 

Hmm. 

Wow, yeah. 

Especially with Bali being so close to home and lots of Australians travelling there all the time, Thailand seems like a little bit more of a world away and and also when you look at Barlow and Chambers in the 80. You kinda didn't have as much access to images of them and as a consequence the the fact that they're you the media could get so many images of Chappelle, Colby and all of this stuff meant that they could just continue the narrative and just keep pumping the story out. Whereas I think it was a bit different. Back in the 80s like these days, they just had cameras and the Internet and people everywhere, so it was much more. 

Hmm. 

Immediate and we loved that sensationalist booner news as well as you know, today, tonight, current affair they those. 

The booming news? Ohh these well they were the poster children, yeah. 

Those were. At that time they were, they had massive budgets because of all the lawsuits that they had. 

Well, and they would have had and they would have had bidding wars to probably get members of the family on and pending on how those bidding wars went would depend on the kind of narrative they would write about the family members, because if they didn't get the exclusive, then they'd find some other story about them and they'd go off on that and. 

Yeah, yeah. 

Cool. So it was just wow. 

There was a lot of fights between the different outlets. 

There's a circus. It was a. 

To get the yeah. To get the exclusives. 

A media circus in every sense of the. 

Word and I think there was a wasn't there a book and a telly movie as well? That was and I think was criticised for glamourising her story. I remember. Yeah. 

Listen there. A telly movie here. I can remember FHM campaigning heavily to try and get her to pose for FA. Yeah, I don't think so. I don't know. I think maybe her sister. 

Did they in the UPS? Did did she Mercedes? 

Yeah. 

She's very she's very outspoken in the. Look, I must give her. Credit she she was defending her sister, defending her. 

Yeah. 

Not. And showing up and campaigning, she did it. She did a lot of work. She was very busy for quite a. Few years Mercedes. 

She did the work. Yeah. You've been very kind. Yeah. 

Did. 

Had lots of things to say, Chappelle lodged several appeals. I I really thought that they were just gonna do that just to scare her a little bit and then be like, ohh, just kidding, you're cool off. You know, I thought they'd change their mind pretty quickly, but lots of appeals conviction was upheld. Yep, in 2012. 

Nah, man, she was. She was there for long. 

It was finally reduced to 15 years, so reduced by only five years, released on parole in 20. 

Uh-huh. 

Yeah. 

14 after serving nine of her her 15 years, but she had to stay. 

And that's when I. 

There. 

Did yes, right. 

She had to stay there. Did she find love over there? Was that her? 

I'm not sure, I'm not sure, but at that stage. 

Did she find love in prison? Was that her? Or was that that? That would. No, I think that was that other. 

They're gone from, like, you know, and front page news to that's life at that stage. I think we're a bit sick of it by then, which sounds awful. I mean, at the at the core of it is is a young girl who was, I mean, how old was she at the time? She was 20s in her 20s. 

Girl that went. Somewhere else and and something else, Mr. 

Yes. 

Yeah. And I mean, even even if it wasn't planted by a baggage handler. 

Hmm, well, we it definitely was. 

Then would. Not there would have been it. There would have been other people involved besides her. So she's ultimately taken if if she's taken the fall. 

She's a Patsy. A. Patsy. Ohh yeah. 

If she had known about it, it's taken the fall for other people at 20, like, yeah. 

Yeah. A lot. 

It's a lot. It's a lot. 

Allegedly. Allegedly. We don't know. 

Alleged. Yes. Well, and you know what, though, and God bless her. She came back, she was on dancing with the stars, remember? 

We don't know. 

That the wild card. 

Yeah, she was on that. The SAS one as well. 

Yeah. 

Were there and and she wanted to kind of prove herself. And I think, I think she asked to leave after a day or two bit too much. 

Did she? She was like **** this. 

Was a bit. Too much she she's very she was. 

I've been through enough, you know. 

Very graceful. I remember with on dancing with the stars. And we saw us. I'm I want to say a softer side, but I guess we never really knew who she was all. We knew were those images in court and. 

Yes, that. Right. 

Mercedes screaming like a banshee and that's really all we knew. But then we got to see we got to see the softer side of her and you can. 

Hmm. 

Yeah. 

Also follow her. On Instagram, if you'd like to see what. 

Can you? He's got an insta. 

She's into and she's. Very arty. She makes. What does she do? Epoxy resin. Art. Does she? She makes clocks. She likes to make clocks. 

I mean like. I said a bit ahead of a time. In some ways, she was the if, if you if you were putting that Chappelle situation, she was the most famous person in the country. 

So the proxy resins. And follow her making some clocks. 

Hmm. 

At the time. 

What? Yes. 

And. If it had happened, probably. A little later on in history, like maybe even a decade after the fact, and she still went through it all. She probably have come out of it a lot more wealthier than what she is now. Does that make sense? Bit of an influencer. 

Hmm. Yeah, yeah. Possibly influence. Hmm. 

You know well she is. She's a clock influencer now. 

She's. A epoxy resin art clock. Influence, you know, I mean, that's it. It's certainly a step up from. 

Good, good to. 

Boards. Let's step sideways into time, not time. As in, let's talk about another clot, not an epoxy resin clot. 

Let's talk about another clock. Not an epoxy resin. 

Plot. 

Not one of Chappelle's no. 

That was the perfect segue and it just it's completely missed me. 

Was. 

And then yeah, I know, I know. 

My senses have been quite dull. 

That's why I said the. Word clock a few times. 

Yeah. No, no, I'm losing my touch. I'm. 

I thought you'd pick up on that, but you didn't. No. 

So Joe, I'm old and that's OK. OK, Big Ben, the big clock. 

Big clock the big cheese. 

As far as clocks go, yes, yes. 

Yeah. Yeah, it is. It's really it is the clock of all clocks. 

Iconic iconic clock as far as clocks go. 

Yeah, you did not get a much bigger clock than that clock. Massive it is a huge it is a massive clock, it is it is, it is it and what it it it lacks in. 

Clock. Massive clock. 

Right. It makes up for it. 

Girth, girth. Lots of. 

Girth. Ohh my. Big Ben stopped. Big Ben stopped ticking for 90 minutes right in the middle of the night between 10:07 PM and 11:36 PM London time. 

Yes. Ouch. See ya. 

Big Ben's clock stopped at 10:07 PM on May 27th, 2005, likely due to an unusually high temperature. Of 31.8°C. Plus, subscribe for more. 

Ohh sorry all I could find was something. 

Subscribe. 

Some AI no, I. 

Just subscribe for more. I feel like there's more to this story. That was very dramatic. 

Didn't. No, I didn't. Thought. 

I I. 

Did. I was actually quite incensed that I couldn't find any sort of decent audio and then some dude had just put together some AI track about it and I thought, and he was demanding some striving after saying only a few sentences to me. So I said I'm gonna do one better. I'm not only am I not gonna subscribe to you, but I'm going to steal your audio. 

I love that you can subscribe. 

Subscribe to Big Ben. There's a lot. There's a lot of drama. 

And use it on my podcast. And that's exactly what I did, but that's what happened. Big Ben froze. He stopped. And they reckon it was cause it was too hot there. Right. And do you know how hot it was there on that, that 31.5°? It's like nothing. Nothing. 

Yes. 

Ohh, probably 19°. Ohh. 

Ohh dear. 

So they were saying, but it started up on its own after that without any. 

Well luck. 

Restart now. I think the official word was it was unexplained, but a lot of people speculated that, yeah, I was a bit too hot. Yeah, there is no, I. There is no way that Big Ben would stop working, surely. 

From a blue in the cartridge. Started back up again. I think someone climbed up there. 

In 31.5° got stuck in the gears. 

Grabbed onto it. Broke it. Yeah, yeah, maybe. And then they pulled them out and it started up again. 

Hmm. Well, he and it's it's not like Big Ben, it's very out. Of character for old Big Ben. 

He's very reliable, he's very reliable flock. 

When when you, when you are a massive clock, like Big Ben, you have to be on time, on time and Big Ben has been rigid to the minute. 

Yeah, you gotta have your wits about you. Yes, yes. 

Since 18591958 in fact Big Ben has only come to a halt a handful of times in its long history of being a giant clock, and most notably, it was during the bombings in in World War 2, obviously, and and once in 1962, when snow caused it to to ring in the New Year. 

Ohh ghosts. Wow oz. 

Well. 

A little bit. Late. Well, that's a. That that really that's 320. Hang on. Oh, we missed it. Oh, well, that's alright. We'll just go back to being. That 90 minute stop was pretty notable and rare at the time, but and yes, well, the newspapers, I mean, of course, the British newspapers, could you imagine? 

I like the headlines. There were lots of headlines. Went wild. Went Wilds. Yes. Big Ben Bongs go bust in bizarre night. Freeze Daily Mail. 

That's good. That's that's a bit of alliteration and it's it's it's it's a long title. I don't think it'll do anything for search of the. Ohh well, it's got Big Ben in there. 

Hmm. 

I like that. 

Where? 

Hmm. And it's got it's it's front loaded front loaded with Big Ben. 

And bongs, so search engine optimization might be a little bit misleading, but yeah. 

Perfect. Perfect. Doesn't matter. Yeah, cool. Click through. Subscribe for more clocked off Big Ben stops ticking baffles engineers the Guardian. I feel like I'm on. What's that show media watch. Feel like I'm on media watch. I've gotta do it with a bit more of. 

Oh. Yeah, I feel like. 

An angsty. You do clocked off, Big Ben, stops ticking, baffles engineers. 

The guardian? Yeah, I think that I feel like that particular headline was written by. 

That's a bit. That's better. 

City. 

Hmm. 

Because there's just a couple of things going on. 

There's too many. There's too many themes. The clocked off makes it sound like it. Big Ben's being lazy, and then you bring the engineers in. Yeah, mystery too much. Too much going on. I agree. Alright, you can do. 

Yes, yes. 

Hmm. 

Exactly, yeah. The. It's the Evening Standard, said. Uh. Even Big Ben needs a break and look, it's to the point. It's a bit a matter of. It's a bit of a laid back, more laid back title and I guess it's because it's the Evening Standard, you know, it's just in the evening, it's like, OK, we're on morning, like even Big Ben to break, yeah. 

Hmm. 

Yes. This is our Evening Standard. Yeah. 

Exactly. You've been there BBC News Online, which and you know it's early days of the Internet. It's early day of News Online. 

Still learning, yeah. 

Click base. We don't even know what that word is yet, but it says hands of time grind to halt. 

No, no. 

Oh. 

It's. Been days of. 

And I like it, but again, it is a little bit and it it's it's ambiguous from a search engine optimization point of view. You know, I'm not necessarily scraping the Internet and getting any inclination that that's about Big Ben stopping. 

Our life lives ish. Hands and sign. Yeah, we wouldn't know that. That's big Ben's hands of time. Umm, I like this one. Big Ben takes a nap. Must be the weather, the sun. 

There you go. That's pretty. I think that's good from the sun because the sun, you know, normally a bit of a rag, but I mean. 

Hmm. 

The sun has a lot of **** in. It doesn't. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 

I think it does. It's got like the page three girl. Yes, yes, which is, you know. And so it's it's only natural that I guess they go from that to stories about giant clocks. But. But but they had at least a bit of an explanation as to what might have happened. So it was. It was an interesting. 

What will be the weather? 

And informative title from the Sun. Hmm. 

I think so too. Yeah. Yeah, very. Good. So everybody was excited and it became a bit of a metaphor. So the political landscape, obviously, we've had the election of interest recently as well. 

Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

So, you know, they've kind of. Thought that that could align and the mercury retrograde because, you know, we blame that for everything. I think we're one at the moment, which does explain a few things that have been going on lately. 

Are we? 

To be honest. 

Does it? Yes, yes it. 

Really. 

Is it's just a bit of. 

What does mercury do in retrograde that makes things go weird? 

It's just, I don't know. I don't know how it does it. 

Big Ben. Drops, yeah. 

I don't know, I I. Feel like there's some magnetic? Forces potentially. Then Mercury's in. 

At play. 

Retrograde, so that would explain why they're not stopped. Like the Bulka racer bulker racer, yeah. 

Hmm. Hmm. Yeah. Life. Where you where you watching me? The bulk of racer. Yeah. Which is unless you're working kind of the entertainment business probably. Don't know too much about it, but back in the day of tapes, ladies and gentlemen, we used to have a a giant magnet thing called the Bulker racer. And instead of having to wipe your tape by taping. 

You don't know what a vulgarised her is, but it's true. That's how you wash them. 

For it, you would effectively grab the tape in one hand and then press the red button on the bulk eraser and it would make it a low pitched electrical humming noise and you would swipe the tape for two passes up and back across the length of the bulk eraser. 

I'll remember that. It's good. Yeah, it's fun. I liked that job. It was therapeutic. 

And then thus erasing the tape, there would be no audio left on the tapes. I looked up about 3 watches with the bulk eraser, cause you just forget you go in with your watch on and your bulk racing is like they're my watch. 

Did you break your watch? Was that you? Just like me, Ben. 

So maybe Big Ben got too close to the bulk eraser. 

Authorised Yep. Happens to the best of us. 

Sport happens to the rest of us. I don't know where I'm going. There. My segways are off. They are? Yeah, I think Mercury is in. 

Not me. It is, yeah, I. 

Think it really is. Let's go to sport. The Crusaders win the Super Rugby grand final and the thing with this one is is the 2005 Super 12 rugby. Final was the last of the Super 12 format before they went up to Super 14. So The Crusaders from Canterbury win. 

Getting it off to Marshall, getting it off to Ralph, Ralph gets in the way to gear, fires it back, and field Leo McDonald. And another Super 12 title beckons to The Crusaders. 

Not only beckons, but they pretty much cinched it shortly thereafter, so they played against the Waratahs over in Christchurch. In New Zealand, 35 points to 25. The Crusaders. With the Waratahs, with they dominated them, really. 

Pretty close. 

36,500 in attendance. Yeah, that was their 5th Super Rugby title. I think they were the most successful team in the competitions history at this point. 

Yes, the year before the Brumbies one. Remember the ACT Brumbies? We were the. 

Oh yeah, we were there. I was only thinking about that the other day and how cold it was. It feels that cold now we've hit Brumbies weather. 

It. Funny for him. It is. It's kind of after Anzac Day, you're allowed to turn the heater on and the Super they do start very early with the rugby they always have. And I just I you get to that stage where it's still like 35. 

Yep. Do. Yeah. 

Odd degrees and some days you'll get those really hot days. And I can remember being at the rugby recently actually during like a 40° day thinking. How are those poor ******** playing out there? Terrible. And now it's freezing cold. Yeah. It's like a total ice box. Yes, that that is the the perils. 

But then you get towards the end of the season, you'll be wearing thermals, thermals, whether yes. 

But I mean it's you. Gotta be tough to play. Happy. You really do, especially in this day and age because people care less and less about it, which is really sad. 

So. 

Is the difference then between Super 12 and Super 14 just the number of teams? That's all. But you made that sound so dramatic. You're like this final Super 12 before we go to Super 14. 

Couple more. Yeah, that's right. It was really. Yeah, which means it's gonna be harder for the Brumbies to win it. That's why there's gonna be two more teams that we gotta get past to win. So it's hard. It was a good game, though. 

Two more teams are joining. Two more teams are coming on board. So who we had Western Force and the cheetahs? 

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But. This game was a good game. It was, it was the Waratahs actual first final in the Super 12, so the Waratahs being the New South. Wales. Side and they they did well, but they just couldn't keep up with The Crusaders. So just very physical and very fast, very, very fast. It was a very intense match. It was. It was back when rugby. Really did flow and there was a lot more spectacle about it. And when they did make brakes, they'd make big brakes and you'd see. Them run and you'd be like, oh, run. Really fast. Go and it was awesome. It was less stop start like it is these days, so I thought it was really great and the guys over in New Zealand really loved it as well, you know like Dan Carter. 

Hmm. 

Was a global. Rugby superstar. After that, Waratahs fans thought this might be the beginning of a new chapter because they did so well, but then they ended up having to wait until about 2014 to actually win. Only thing and that's rugby and unfortunately it's just, I don't know, it's just not as good as what it used to be. I know how that sounds. I know how that sounds, but. 

And you're opening up a a certain box that starts with B. 

Oh. 

Or can we? Are we doing that this epic? Vote. 

I think we have to. 

Well, rugby these days is. 

Today. 

I I didn't. Think we're gonna do this this episode? I'm surprised. Well, after last week, like Ray was so good. I don't think anyone could top. 

Why? That. Ohh, that was good, wasn't it? 

It was a great boom. Here we are. 

I love that he, I. 

Love that he didn't. We had to send him instructions on. How to boom? 

Yes. 

Because that's just Phil. Very appropriate. And then he had to boom about the length. 

Well, it was the. 

Of his boom. 

It was. There was so much booming in the box that I I just couldn't even contain myself. And if you want to know what this segment is about, I think the the most pristine example of the boom box being opened was what actually happened in the last episode. So this is your first time we are opening up the boom box. And if you wanted to see how. Was done. I would say that the episode prior to this one should be downloaded as well and you go and listen to that, however. Ohh very quickly it is your boomer complaints. It's those things that you say that annoy you about modern day life, that unfortunately in the wrong company you like, especially of young people. They might look at you after you've dropped said complaint and just be like. 

Yes. 

OK, boomer. And then and then you're overwhelmed with shame, and you probably can't think of a a fast enough witty retort to slap them back with, so you end up just kind of shuffling away in frustration. And then and then maybe then you end up kind of walking away in frustration. And then maybe in the middle of the night that retort. From steel. Mind. And you think, geez, I wish I had had the presence of mind to say that in the heat of the moment, but unfortunately that didn't happen. And now you need a safe place, a safe space to exercise those demons, to really just let it all out will free from judgement free from the OK boomer comment. And this is the platform. That we out of the kindness and generosity. Of our hearts. Are choosing to share with you as we open up the boom box. That is the longest pad that I have ever done in the history of working with you, Mel. So I sincerely hope you have now amongst all of your files managed to dig up a boom because I don't think I should talk for much. Yes. 

Ohh this just. Is that what you were doing? I I thought you were just talking. So I. Was just looking at my Instagram. 

It's called being a supportive Co host. Are you seriously going through your Instagram? 

Ohh I was just scrolling. Yeah I was just I was like, oh, that was good. I'm trying to. 

So you just zoned out, you just zoned out. Well, I was well, my goodness. 

Do my save files. 

Yeah. 

I thought, well, I was like, oh, he's on. A wrong. I'll just. 

Check if I don't know what I was on then. Great. Excellent. 

A few things that I. Say I found some good things that I saved actually, but I do have a boom from Jordan. We're ready for Jordans. Boom. 

Jordan. 

Yes. 

Hit me being alive during this modern era is great. Robots are creating artistic, soulless versions of people. I spend half my paycheck on rent and the other half on 4 blueberries, and I'm addicted to a little pocket computer that makes me sad every day. Fantastic. 

Scared people. 

It really ugly berries they are. 

It's the cost of living crisis is real. I mean, let's break it down. There's a lot of stuff in there. There's the the robots. The robots? Yeah, they're creating art for us instead of us being able to create all. Yeah. Yeah, that's terrible. Rent is expensive. 

Because he lives, yes. 

Starting with. Robot. Solar versions of people's rents being half of your wage. Blueberries. 

The cost of living crisis is a. Thing and addicted to a. 

Little pocket computer that makes me sad. 

And it's really does it causes you a lot of anxiety that this thing in your pocket it it's either somebody ringing you telling you something that you don't wanna hear. It's you going on the Internet finding stuff that you don't wanna see. 

It does. It does I. Understand me. 

Or then entering into conversations that you shouldn't be involved in, cause somebody's going to say something to you that you. Don't want to hear. I've been entering into other people's. 

I don't. I don't know why, but I'm just because I must have read the comments of someone who was creating drama and Instagram's gone ohh. She likes drama, so it serves me up drama, but it's not the drama in the post. There's always drama in the comments and for some reason I just go to the comments now and. 

Yeah. 

Just I don't comment or anything like that, but I just, I just buy into the drama and then all of a sudden I've read 100 comments and I'm just I'm, I'm part of it and I just, I can't look away. I'm addicted. 

See, that's. Yeah, that's it's hard. You know what we need? We need an intervention. We need an intervention. We need Clippy. It looks like you're trying to look into some. 

Addicted to the drama? Yes. 

Drama. 

Stop me. Keep me. Please stop me. Stop me. I've just been way too invested in in ripped off caramel slice recipes this last week. It's been. It's been too much. And like, baklava or whatever. How would? 

Cliff. Well, Cliffy, I am. I need to back away. Thank you very much. I think we're on to something here. Ohh. That's right. Yeah. People are getting upset about people stealing caramels. Like you know, the worst thing about that spit that becomes a lead story on the freaking news. 

You say that. 

All of that social media drama. 

I. Know, but then I've. 

Gotta read what people are saying in the comments, cause it's just and then they're people are fighting with each other and it's just too much. Yeah. Clippy, please come and do something. Come and do something. 

Yeah, it is. In course there's a lot of anxiety there is there is a market here to bring clip. I think we could bring Clippy back then Clippy could just be repurposed into this role. 

Hmm. 

And he doesn't feel as menacing as the other robots in the AI. He's just he's just help. He's just helpful support. And you can just minimise him when you want. He's not gonna steal your art or anything like that. 

Yeah, yeah. Don't you wish you could do that with the other things? Just minimise them, just minimise them. I think there's something in that for all of us, don't you? 

Hmm. 

Alright, music. Yeah. No that. No, I I need. I need something to pick me up. I can always get a little bit emotionally exhausted after the boom box is opened. Dear, it's heavy. Yeah. Heavy man, it's it's. There's a lot of weight to carry. Heavy is the head that wears the boom box. 

People put them on their shoulder. I was always perplexed by that. I was like, that's heavy, that. 

Yeah. Ohh there you guys. 

Must hurt your shoulder. 

See now if I was smart, I would have said heavy. Is the shoulder that carries the boom box. But no, I'm an idiot and thank you. Worked it. We workshopped it out together. We should painting that before somebody steals it. I don't think anybody cares. Let's do music. No. 

Boombox. Ohh that's right. 

Yeah, we should. No, I don't think Acon cares either, cause he's still number one over the UK. 

Easy all on these lines. 

No, nobody. Call my own girl. Can't believe I had a girl like you when I just let you walk right out of my life. After all I put. You through. 

He needs a little computer in his pocket that he can look at that would make him feel miserable. He would be so lonely after that and have something to do. 

Does he? 

Ohh, he could join the comments section about the caramel slice that was definitely plagiarised. I can tell by those ingredients. 

Get a hobby. That's what. Well, that's that's that's it's a. It's a slippery slope, but that's what happens to Mr Low. Lease is they get into the comments section, don't they? And then they start typing away. 

Yeah, they do. They do all the notice boards, start a conversation on the. 

Yep. Don't see that. You can't. That's what you should do. Go and find a community. Notice board, mate, start commenting on or posting about loud bangs. 

Notice board is that a loud bang? 

Yeah, yeah. 

Find your people. Mind your community. Top five in the US. Same songs, different order. 

And I. 

Needs a little bit, not a lot, baby girl. Just a little bit. We can head to the crib in a little bit. I can show you how I live. 

Yeah. 

Southern style. Getting cool coming down in a different colour. 

You might want to take. 

Take your place. 

Let me know how. 

That. 

So it's just it's just a shuffle between two and three. Really it's. 

Ah, and four and five wasn't just a little bit #5 last time and eight and. 

Are they, are they uh, was it? Ohh yeah. OK, that's there you go. So so 5. How did I love it? 

Number was #4. They've done some assurance. 

4. 

Just a little bit ohh. 

30 Two we belong together. Thanks and one. 

To. 

This is bananas. 

You're holler back, girl. OK, so. So this is the ascension of Mariah Carey. Yeah. Yeah. She's ascending. And so we belong together. Is is getting close to being in there for 14-14 weeks. What we say. Yeah. Spoiler alert, everyone. Wow, that's gonna make for exciting charts. So I think we can just move on. 

Ohh Mimi, she's ascending. She is. Yes, very much so. 

What's number one in? 

Number one in Australia, the Black Eyed Peas with don't funk with my heart. 

With my heart. 

Take you home. 

Really, everyone is starting to lean into that Bollywood Indian sound, aren't they? With their music, you can really hear it in that one, yeah. 

Yeah. 

Yeah, and much like Will Smith, they've kind of given me. The ICK as well. I just don't. 

That dog had the ick then had to shake it off a little bit. Yeah, she's she's woken from her slumber and she's like I've got the ick. He started to talk about the Black Ops things. She's. 

It's just like ohh Black Eyed Peas. 

But. 

She's gone now. 

Leaving now. 

Walked down that. 

Yeah, quick way to get her. Out of the roof. 

Yeah. Talk about the black. Yeah, I've still got the ink over there. Let's get it started. So I was like, I don't even really wanna talk about them, so. 

Yeah, me too. Yeah, well, they don't funk with the pH and they it it wasn't. 

And. 

Anything special? I just ever I'm the same. I just don't even. 

Yeah, yeah, all right. 

And it's it's weird because at the time they were big enough fun and everybody's but. 

We and Fergie, Ferg because she went. She went solo around, probably around now, maybe a little bit early. She did the solo thing and she she's a good. Singer and I liked her and I just. 

Yeah, she is. Yep. 

No, I don't know. Anyway, we we know. 

Oh well. 

Better so we do better these days and you could say that they didn't know better and they they didn't know better with the whole. Let's get a started thing. But they didn't do better because of it and they didn't, you know, so don't funk with our hearts. 

Well, they still didn't do better. 

With the pH. Hmm. Let's do an album release. Let's talk about the latest album from 2000 and. 

All right. 

Sure. 

From Audioslave. ********. 

You just Zack yourself, then you, right? 

Funky with the button. Really such a a special and wonderful super group like it's it's all of Rage Against the machine except for Zach de la Rocca. And they've got Chris Cornell, the vocalist from Soundgarden or formerly from Soundgarden, as their front man. And it's just. So you got Tom Morello Tim Colour with Brad Wilk. Chris gonna. And they're just great. They just sound awesome. And it's really interesting hearing the the backbone of Rage Against the machine in that context with the melodic vocalist as well, instead of somebody wrapping over the top of the door just kind of works and sounds really, really great. A lot of people compared it to their debut album from 2002. 

Great sounds then. 

And said that they went into a more melodic and less aggressive sound and agree with that. They're a bit more rock'n'roll with songs like be yourself and doesn't remind me in out of exile which is. Your time has come was the one we just heard there as well? Number one on the Billboard 200 certified gold in the US and other countries and generally very positive. They said it was more mature and cohesive than their debut. I I agree with that and I like it. But there was also something about their debut that I think really. 

Yeah. 

I liked that album. 

Is it the vibe around that was really hard to top because it? Was. Like and and I think it was more the vibe from. Me as a listener, I was like, how is this? Gonna. Work. What's this gonna sound like? And then when it came out? 

Yeah. 

And I was. Wow, this sounds great and this continues to sound great. It's just like it's more mature and cohesive and. 

Hmm. 

At at at that. Particular time for me just coming out of radio, still trying to pick myself up off the floor. I was anything but mature and cohesive, so I kind of. You. But there was there was other things happening in music news, yes. 

There was the 25th of May. Carrie Underwood wins, season 4 of American Idol triumphing over runner up Bow bye. 

Bye. 

Bye bye. Over 37 million votes. 

Bye. 

The winner. Of American Idol. 2005 is. Carrie Underwood. Ladies and gentlemen, we have a treat for you right now. This is the single she'll be releasing on June 14th. Can you do it? They really want to hear you do it inside your heaven. Here she is, your idol, Carrie Underwood. 

See you next year. 

Where? 

It's always like a little condensed version of that whole sequence where they win, and then they have to. They get emotional and they have to sing and kind of hold it together and not sound like shy during the thing. It's tough. She did well. She did well to do that. 

Time while they sing, yeah. Very difficult, sang through the tears. Was it the first time? It was a country vibe winner. I think this was the first time I think it was a bit of a turning point. 

Yeah. 

Yeah. 

And because country is so, so, so huge over in the states, it just really helps solidify her success broader than just idle, I think. 

Big market. I feel like and this is probably wrong, but I feel like maybe it's like country then Christian and then pop. Christian. Yeah, I feel like Christian music's. 

Where does wrap sits? 

Pretty big. Ohh. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, look at the Billboard charts. Rap rap probably sits in the pop. I I I sort of throw that in there as well. 

So you reckon Christians? Bigger? 

Yeah, I reckon Christian's huge over there. Yes, the comic sans of music. 

I don't even know any. Christian music well. 

Well, well, you'll. 

Ohh creed. Were they Christian or they're pretending? 

You'll need Jesus then. I think that I think they were using that. I think they were using that to get. I think Creed were using the Christian thing like they never denied it. Put it that way. 

Hmm. 

At the time they have since, but I think at the time they were like, well, if it helps. Us sell albums like why would we? 

Well, why? Why did not? Well, they they they didn't. They didn't deny it and they didn't agree. So they weren't lying as such. Yes. Yeah. The time we drove to Merimbula and we listened to that Christian station at all about Jesus and his toolbox. Yes. Yes, it was interesting. 

Yeah. 

Yeah, Speaking of tool boxes. 

Umm. 

Are you calling Carrie Underwood? 

A toolbox? No. I was actually referring to the judges, but that's alright. Simon Cowell. I mean, he puts the in country music, doesn't he? 

Ah, OK, sure. 

If she's won it. Hey. Yeah. She. Well, she did a version. You you say it's country, right? But she did a version of alone by heart, which we all know is a a karaoke banger. And nobody can hit that big high note in in the middle. 

Ohh. Classic yeah. Hmm. 

OK. 

But she is a country. She's a country singer by trade, though, and she's sang Martina McBride. 

Yeah, but she that that song she did. But I think heart was the turning point because that's what Simon Cowell said. She's gonna win this. Yeah, she's gonna win this, and she's gonna be bigger than anyone else who's ever won it. But yes, she did. Other lots of country songs. 

Well, that's when Simon was on board. 

Well, the one that she sang at the coronation inside your heaven. 

It was called the coronation. When you win idol like the Queen, you have the coronation. I didn't know that they did. I didn't know that they. 

Yeah. Yeah, her coronation song. And she's crowned American Idol. 

Called it that. That's a bit fun. 

Hmm, inside your heaven, I just that that gives me the ick. That title. I don't like it. Yeah. 

Yeah, it's because. 

Herd debut album Some Hearts became the best selling solo female debut album and country music history. 

Hmm. 

Multiple Grammy Awards sold over 70 million records worldwide. 

She's done a few. 

Crossovers too, with other artists over the years. 

Well, Simon Cowell was right too, because she was, I think, well, she is one of the most successful. 

Hmm. 

Alumni from American Idol. So there you go. 

I wonder if she selled more than Kelly Clarkson. 

Yeah, I reckon she has is as country. Absolutely. I'm. I'm just gonna say yes without even researching it. Yeah. Do it independently. If we're wrong, let us know. Just up on the social search for 2 -. 3 podcasts. Yeah. Yeah, why not? That's one thing I hate is podcasters that don't do their research. 

Yeah, yeah. 

Probably should research that, but let's just go with. We'll just go. With it say. 

It convincingly, yeah. 

Send us a boom. 

Well, we've got day jobs and this ain't easy. Trying to fit all this time in. So just take what you're given. Well, let me tell you, it's a massive week in entertainment we're talking. 

Would have been. A. Very exciting week for you. 

Event cinema. This is where you go to the movies and people get dressed up. For me, this is where people were starting to cosplay at the. 

Stressed out. 

Cinemas at this time. 

Was this when you had the smelly Kylo Ren? 

No, that's that was that's years later. That's the Star Wars movie that has made these Star Wars movies look even better over time, I think. And this was pretty good. Like I I, the prequel trilogy. Gee is a bit hit and miss with Star Wars. There's some great moments and there's some really, really terrible moments, and this is the third installment, Star Wars episode 3 Revenge of the Sith is number one at the US box office. 

Every single Jedi is now an enemy of the Republic. Do what must be done. Do not hesitate. Show no mercy. 

Who could have done? 

This twisted by the dark side young Skywalker had become. 

I feel so helpless. 

You are the chosen 1. 

This one. 

I love this. It's that little Darth Vader gasp at the end of it. To pique your intrigue, because this is obviously where Darth Vader becomes Darth Vader, which is a big moment in Star Wars Canon, and I think this movie kind of redeemed the trilogy a little bit. 

Was this one of those midnight screenings here in Australia? 

You know what? So I was while I was listening to the trailer, I was trying to ponder where I was because I can remember going to. 

Yeah. Yeah. I feel like you did do. 

I can remember going to midnight screening for Phantom Menace and I can remember going to midnight screening for Clone Wars. Sorry, attack of the Clones, not clone Wars. My God, Star Wars people will lynch me. They get very serious and but I can't remember if I went to a midnight screening for this one again because this was the. 

Hmm. 

The post radio days I think I did. 

I feel like you did. 

I think I did. If I didn't, I would have gone fairly fairly soon thereafter. Yeah. Yeah. And this was a big deal. This was a big deal because this is where Anakin becomes Vader. But also, I will say, oh, yeah, sorry about that, that, that kind of gets ruined if you watch the 1st. 

As we were living together at this stage, I feel. Like you did. I'll just ruin it. Why don't you? 

Movies and it doesn't matter anyway that I've completely lost my train of thought now. What was I gonna say? 

We shouldn't ruin the movie 113,000,000 was the budget. 

No, I shouldn't have. 

I want to know does Ray. Like this one? I feel like rays the Star Wars yardstick, where does, where does it fit in for him? He's OK. 

He does, I think he. Yeah, I think he's OK with it. I'd have to. Yeah. Maybe he can boom about it. Well, boom about Ryan Johnson, who did the other movie with the colour and the colour and the video. No. What I was gonna say is we were we were a little bit jaded from the first two especially. 

With it. 

OK. 

Ohh that this is not. One that. He hates, OK, yeah. 

Really attack of the clones, which the love story and the way it's acted between Anakin and Padme in the second film of the prequel trilogy, is just an abomination. It is so bad it's so bad and we've discussed this before. 

You didn't like them? OK, that just feels pink. This feels peak nerd that your problem with the movie is the love scene is like the love story. 

It is, it is. Let's just. It's just not done well. It's just it's cause it's romance, probably written by a nerd who's not, doesn't do romance very well. Should have brought in like a another writer for those particular scenes. 

Fab. Rah rah, rah rah. 

Do you know what I mean? That's what they should have done, you know? And I'm sure we'll get to writers a bit later on. I'm sure we've got a book segment anyway. So the synopsis, the, the Republic, crumbling war across the Galaxy, Chancellor Palpatine is actually Emperor Palpatine. He secretly Darth Sidious. He's a bad guy. 

A shame, OK? 

And he's manipulating Anakin by exploiting his fear of losing his wife. And she's pregnant, and she's having all these terrible visions. And then Anakin goes and turns to the dark side because he's worried she's going to die. And he thinks that if he can become like, whatever, some kind of Sith Lord, then obviously he can learn to have some special powers that the Jedi don't have. And uh. So it goes right? So it goes. The big lightsaber battles. The thing that really is that, that makes Star Wars just so unique and beautiful and wonderful out of everything else, is that orchestral music underneath. I mean, isn't that just spectacular? You heard that in the trailer. Yeah. So I look it, I think it stands the test of time, that final film. 

It is. 

Just really kind of rounded it out and and redeemed. A few of the failing points in the other two movie. Piece like Jar Jar Binks and the love story that sounds like a movie title. There's no sound mouth in this there's no certainly that would be a good one. Jar Jar Binks and the love story and the sand mouth. Yeah, I could see. That's got legs. I mean, they do doing anything with Star Wars at the moment. Star Wars has kind. 

Was the sand mouth in this one? Ohh shame. Sand mouth. 

Of been very diluted this. 

What's your favourite Star Wars? 

My favourite Star Wars is still empire strikes. 

Back is that the first one? 

But I would also say no was the second one, but I will also say that I really loved Rogue. One which was I just thought a a wonderful Star Wars story, and I quite like the TV series and or as well, which is a more mature take on Star Wars. And it's kind of like this spy kind of drama. And it goes in a little bit behind the scenes as well. So it's like the the characters that work for the Empire aren't just these mindless. 

Ah. 

Bad guys. There's they've got a bit of a back story to them, which I really like as well and and so that it's a bit more mature, whereas I mean, so Episode 3 was the first one in the states to get that PG13 rating, which meant that it was a little bit not for kids, do you know what I mean? Whereas everything else is well, it's all kind of for kids. I don't think they would Gee per say. 

So all the rest with Jay, right? 

Right. 

Is that quite violent? But they were PG, but this was PG13, so you had to be over 13. Do you know what I mean? Something like that. I don't know how their classification kind of works, but I do know that it was the first one to get that more mature rating. I think over here it was probably M it must have been M over here. And so it was the first of those to get. 

No. Who is? Yes, and. 

Ohh over setting. Yeah yes. 

Hmm. 

That, but it is the highest rated film in the prequel trilogy as A. Result. And considered to be the most emotionally resonant of that one, but there was a lot of sort of memes and all of that sort of stuff like, you know, hello there and it's over, Anakin. And I've got the. High. Ground and all. That stuff it did bridge the gap, and it did change the perception of Anakin as he fell. A lot of people didn't like hating Christiansen in that role. But I think he was a really good actor that got some really bad dialogue and some really bad scripting there. I've said it. 

Oh. 

Sorry Star Wars fans live long and prosper. If that doesn't trigger them, I don't know what will cause. It's a not a Star Wars thing. 

Yes, I think that's. 

Yeah, sorry. Let's get even more nerdy. Let's go over to games. Let's go to video games. Yeah. 

Gaming. We had a big reveal. We had the big reveal of the Xbox 360 on the cover of Time magazine on the 23rd of May 2005. Promo for the 360 began a little bit earlier in the year. I think the on the 30th of March there was an alternate reality game called our Colony and across March and April they offered challenges to the Community and your rewards were cropped. Pictures of the console. 

Yes. Right. 

And screenshots from the game. So you're playing to get these secret screenshots and learn more about the Xbox 360 that is peak nerd isn't. 

To see what the console looks like. Do you really care what it looks? 

It. 

That is peak nerd playing a game. 

Like I mean as someone. 

To get the inside screws from the hmm. 

Just to see what the console looks like and it was called our colony. I think they did that like about 200 years ago when they wanted to get a place called Australia the participants. 

Calling me. 

For people. Over to Australia, we'll call it our colony. 

The participants got special access to insider info and previews before release to the general public. 

Ohh wow, what an incentive. 

I know play the game. And you get some pictures. It was officially unveiled the Xbox 360 on the 12th of May, so a few weeks early. Our MTV did a special broadcast. 

Yeah, they did. It was it was hosted by a lot. The wood and they unveiled the console and then the killers did some kind of performance that started inside the console and ended in the MTV. So yeah, it was a bit orchies like, it wasn't great. What I did like though, is the Xbox 360. Once you open it up, it's got this cool welcome video. 

That's odds. That's really odd. 

Ah, science. We have much to thank science for. But as we only have a short time together for now, let us just thank science for your new Xbox 360. Let's stop right there. Did you know that the hermit crab is the only crustacean that can climb trees? Also, did you know that high definition video gaming is but one of many delights provided by your Xbox 360? Let's see what else we have inside this astonishing device, shall we? Simply depress the guide button on the centre of your controller and you will see a selection of five glorious tabs or what we like to call blades. Let's begin with the blade marked Xbox Live. Here through your Ethernet you can meet your friends online and play together. Please allow us the pleasure of demonstrating that. 

That'll do. That's enough. But that is that is, I think, really cool. Like, how special is that? Like, you unbox that thing, you plug it in and then you get that welcome video. Like, that's a that's a really cool experience to have. And I think the big thing with the Xbox 360 that set it apart from all the other consoles at the time is it was. 

Hmm. 

First, it was the first one to launch in that whole HD era where we've gone from playing video games and our CRT TV's, our little boxes into these wide screen High DEF TV's. So it really set the tone for that. It came out before the PS3. It came out before the Wii, so they had a massive head start. And and people got pretty obsessed over the way it was done as far as it's online. Social gaming and stuff like things like Halo and stuff being played online were just massive. You know, it was a big deal, but you could do other things with. 

Hmm. 

It as well, yeah. You could play music, view photos. You could stream content. Yeah. So that was a big deal. 

Well, kind of, but ultimately you're playing games on it, really. 

Wireless controllers, were they the first to do the wireless? Controllers. 

That, yes, well, the PS3 was about to come out with them as well. 

Such as bait them. 

I'm fairly certain you could do wireless with the PS2 I think, but it wasn't true like you had to have. Some kind of after maybe? 

Ohh you plugged the thing in? Yeah, I remember. And it had the IT was a white design with the interchangeable faceplate. 

Yes. So you could change colours if you wanted to match your decor. And again I'd say like it's really interesting that people cared about what those consoles look like because like the the current Xbox, the big supercharged one, it's just a big black box and the PS5IS hideous looking thing. Looks like the buddy bird califa. 

That's nice. It's like how you change your hair for your little person. In the zoo. They're all ugly now, all of them. They're all disgusting and they don't go with our furniture and I hate them. 

It does. 

It's like the Burj Khalifa standing in the middle of your entertainment unit. Yeah, it's not attractive. It does a good. 

Yes. 

It's gross. It is so gross. Job, though no, just make it blend in. 

Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know what they're worried about. 

A bit with the surroundings, it would be great. Launched titles that they teased in the the the release announcements are perfect Dark 0, Project Gotham Racing 3, Call of Duty 2 Cameo, Elements of Power, and there was a teaser for Gears of War. 

Oh, that, that. Well, Gears of War was just such a like a big flagship released for Xbox. That's what everyone wanted to. I was always jealous because I never had one. I couldn't play Gears of War or Halo. 

I missing out on Gears of War. 

Well then I got an Xbox many years later, many, many years later, and you could play Gears of War. Yes, but you know, gaming has come so far. So I get on the original. 

Have you got? Of. 

Where Mike, this is. It wasn't at the time, it was really good. 

It basically invented the online console culture as we currently know it. So it was, it was such a big deal. You could also RIP CD's to the hard drive and create your own soundtracks. 

Hmm. 

Had to have an HDMI cable. They had to buy it. Separately, that was a bit annoying. 

Ohh well, you know, it's first world problems, isn't it? Really. Hmm. You get like $0.50 blood on the sands, though. On the Xbox 360, which I still maintain is a fantastic. 

Can you? 

Ohh well we need to get away from all that screen time and go and do. We should go outside, but no, we're just gonna read a book, which is probably what screen time was for people back in the olden. 

Days we're gonna read about what people thought about reading about a. 

Book. Yes, sure. What is this? 

Because we didn't read the. 

Book. 

The New York Times bestseller this time 20 years ago. Was 4th of July by James Patterson. 

Well, we need something 4th of July ish, I think like. 

Some fireworks. 

Sounds well, it sounds a bit like an insurance commercial. 

It's about a detective. That's alright. Sounds a bit. Scary ish like it's. 

Hearing you and will take all your money. We really care about taking your money. OK? Anyway, we gotta do. It is it? Yeah, Sir. 

OK. Are you? Ready. Yes. Give us a synopsis, will. 

You the world's best selling detective series, has never been more suspenseful, trapped in deadly showdowns, courtroom trials and dangerous secrets, the women's Murder Club must fight for their lives. In a deadly late night showdown, San Francisco Police Lieutenant Lindsay Boxer. I bet she does, fires her weapon and sets off a dramatic chain of events that leaves the police force disgraced, a family destroyed, and Lindsay herself at the mercy of 12 jurors during a break in the trial. She retreats to a picturesque town that is reeling from a string of grisly murder crimes that or murders, crimes that murders crime. I I'm getting there grizzly murders, crimes that bear a link to a haunting unsolved case from her rookie years. 

I thought a murder crime was like a new classification. You committed a murder crime. 

Jesus, it was all going so well now with her friends in the Women's Murder Club, we solved murder crimes in the women's Murder Club. Lindsay must battle for her life on two in a trial, rushing to a climax. And against and. There's gotta be a typo there. Lindsey must battle for her life in a trial, rushing to her climax and against an unknown adversary willing to do anything to hide the truth about the homicides, including kill. Again, sorry. There's a question mark there. 

Again, Dana, one star. 

All right. 

Yes, Dana. 

I read this on the beach in a day on the 4th of. July, this book's called 4th of. 

Yeah. 

July. 

I still don't understand why it's called the. 4th of July that's. 

They're called Dana one star. I agree. What is it called? 4th of July. 

But I know don't ask Dana. 

Doesn't really say, maybe it happened around 4th of July with. Do you reckon? Maybe. Maybe when she was on the beach, she just got a bit too much sun. Maybe like some of the pages have some sunscreen on her hands. She went to turn a page and you know, sometimes when you read a book and and you accidentally end up turning. 

Maybe she missed that critical and you're on the nod. 

And two pages at once instead of 1, and then you're like, Oh my God, this story makes no sense. To me whatsoever. Ohh. 

I normally fall asleep and I don't remember the. 

Last few pages that read. 

Yes, I've kind of I need to go back because I actually two of the pages were stuck together. I it's. 

Maybe. Maybe the reef tanning oil stuff the pages together. OK. 

It's not that. Yeah, something like that. It's not that kind of story, Lauren. One star. If this isn't the last James Patterson book I read, I invite you to punch me in the face. Sure, Lauren. Oh, this is a New York Times bestseller, Lauren. 

Maureen, one star. It was the only book in the house in my defence. 

Look, so I I need to read something stat. 

The only book I've got I'm. 

Do you think about you could go to the bookstore, you know? 

Just gonna read it. 

The library I'm just going to Dimmick because that's the only book in the house in my defence and I don't wanna read that, Rena Sherwood, one star. See renae. Big glass, half full. 

Awesome. 

Ready. 

Hmm. 

Awesome in its awfulness. I wouldn't have given this crap fest any stars, but for one reason. There's a dog in it and she winds up being the most complex and interesting character. That's worth at least one star, folks. 

Rain is a dog lover. 

Hmm. 

Jodie two stars. Not so much. Martha the dog was not believable in the. 

Oh really? 

Book. 

That's a great name for a. 

Dog, Martha, Martha, her dog goes from being sweet and loyal to being a super trained sheep herder who enjoys herding children for fun. Really. Where do Lindsay and Martha find time to practise that in San Francisco? 

I agree. Well, where do? 

Unbelievable storyline for Martha the dogs. 

I can believe that there's lots of dogs in San Francisco, but having been to San Francisco. You know, and when you realise that the majority of the population with dogs in San Francisco are gay people, and so the dogs are kind of like their children, there's ****** all children in San Francisco. So the odds of a dog hurting children in San Francisco, being that the dog is probably owned by a gay couple and in the gay community means that that dog's not going anywhere. 

It's so unbelievable, Mark the Martha storylines. Unbelievable. 

Talking to her. I'm just saying. I'm just saying, just based on my personal experience, I guess I probably wouldn't believe that about. Master the dog either. 

OK, good on you, Jodie. 

Barbara Schultz. I know nothing. 

Gave it two stars. 

I didn't like that Massa got to use her sheep herding talents. 

Good. Well, maybe you should have a chat. 

She's passionate, Barbara Schultz. Always passionate. Yes, she's German. So even if she's happy, she sounds angry. 

To Jodie. Yeah, she sure is. Karen E1 star. 

Hmm. 

I hate these new, taller books. Supposedly they are easier to read. Actually, they're just more money for the publishers. 

That's a boom, but but it's it's. Yeah, I I can't qualify it as a boom because I actually don't understand what the Karen is talking about. 

It's all a book. What do you mean it's? I'm assuming it's like. 

I think a tola book. 

Taller. Well, like longer books come in all. 

Shapes and sizes. It's not new. 

Ohh, maybe thicker. Maybe she's talking about the wits, taller books, taller book. I thought she meant taller like that. Like taller on your bookshelf. 

Are the are the words more elongated? 

Taller. I don't know, compressed maybe. 

Yeah. See, Karen E That's code. 

Take up more space on your. Bookshelf. 

She's on drugs. Actually thought that Karen, Karen E you mean you know, with an E she wouldn't really be hating trailer books. She'd probably be liking them. But anyway, we're at the hatches, matches and dispatches segment. 

Hmm. 

Which is a very important part of the show because it's it's it's we left a breadcrumb. Yes. Is that what they call them? 

A hook. It was a A. 

In the in a hook start of the show. 

At the. 

We played you a grab? Asked you a question. 

Yeah. So we do this, yeah, with the and this is this heralds the. Hook. Now, if you haven't, if you haven't listened to podcast before, that was actually very skillfully played by Mel. 

I was I. I saw a picture today and it said how do you think a dolphin would play the recorder and it had a picture of the dolphin with the recorder at its mouth versus the picture with the? 

Probably like that. 

Dolphin with the recorder in its hole. 

Slime. 

It's my fault so. 

That's actually a valid question. How would the dolphin. 

Slow hole. I mean, well, not really. That would be the equivalence. 

Play the recorder. If I was a dolphin, I'd use my blow. 

Hole that would be the equivalent of some weed. Just playing the recorder with their nostrils. Really. 

You know, I saw a video of that today. 

Ohh they guys, they guys flipper, he's being a clown again. 

What about the the video my brother showed us where the lady was playing it with her nose and beatboxing at. 

Ah yes. 

The same time. 

Yes. What was she doing? She was doing low by Flo Rider and beat playing the the quarter part and beatboxing at the same time. People are incredible, aren't they? The humans never cease to amaze me and the the humans, the humans that we're referring to in our hatches, matches and dispatches. 

They really are. And dolphins, dolphins. Have played a recorder with their blowhole. 

You never cease to amaze me as well. They were quite high achievers, weren't they? It was. It was a match. Yeah. You didn't like him? I remember at the time it was a match. It was a couple of celebrities. I don't think they tied the knot at this particular time. We're kind of cheating a little bit here. But they said this. 

I hated them actually, to be honest. 

We didn't have this, like almost fake way to impress each other. All we had was literally our conversation. You know, it just it was the most real as it. 

Right. 

Gets with with. 

Yeah, I caught a fish for her, you know, like, that was like the extent of, like, the quartering. 

Now if you said Rob and Amber. You're correct, and you're probably celebrating right now and there's other people that probably are like who? The here's Robin amber. 

Yes. 

Well, Rob and Amber, remember survivor? Yes, they're on survivor Boston. Rob and Amber were on survivor. They formed an allegiance. I think Rob's one survivor. And if Rob didn't, Amber did. 

Yes. 

I don't think he did. No, I didn't. I don't think he did. And I think that he teamed up with her because I thought he he he got it on with her because he knew that she was. 

Amber, one of them won. 

Gonna win. And he wanted the money. 

Anyway, he teamed up with her or something like that. They formed an alliance, one of them, one survivor. I think it was Amber Rob. 

Hmm. 

And I thought it was a. Relationship. So I didn't like them. 

Because Rob proposed to Amber on the final show of survivor of of that series. And you were like, he ain't nothing but a gold digger. So. So this time, 20 years ago, Boston Rob and Amber, they had a show called Rob and Amber get married that aired. It was a 2 hour. 

And I was like gold digger. Trying to win money. None. 

Television special that aired on the 24th of May. Hence the match. I think it had happened as a pre recorded thing, but the world got to see it. It's relevant. It's relevant, our podcast would. 

Hmm. 

That's alright. We only witnessed it as the as the. World on the 24. 

Whatever the we like, OK? 

Yes, it's too lazy to find something else. 

Yeah. And it chronicled their wedding. That's what it was. So Rob Mariano, Boston rob. Amber brkich. Yeah, there's no I before the R. So it was. 

To be miss. Hmm. Lovely. 

Well, that's right, yes. Didn't they hate her because she had a smirk? She remembers all the presents like. Can you stop? Stop. No. There was a fight about her. Smirking. Mm-hmm. Do you remember that? Yeah. I didn't like her smirking. And I didn't like his his gold digging proposal. 

British. She's smart. She's quite smart. 

Hmm. 

I think they were so. Well, they they met on survivor All Stars. So Boston Robert Bender, survivor before. Or as said Amber, so they met doing survivor All Stars and they got engaged during the live finale in 2004. And this whole show that they're doing now, Rob and Amber get married was just another chance to get some more money, get some more money and plan their dream wedding in the Bahamas over 4 weeks. We got to watch it as celeb reality. 

Hmm. 

They love. 

In full effects. 

This is the tale of two survivors, Amber. 

They met as All Stars. 

When I first met. Rob. 

Boston style, but I thought she was smoking hot, but she had a little attitude. 

I didn't like him so much. 

Formed an alliance. 

So we teamed up to win, but little did I know where it was actually. Gonna. 

End up the more I got to know, the more I realised how sweet a person she is. That's when things started changing. 

Won her heart. 

Will you marry me? Can't imagine my life without. 

She won $1,000,000. 

The winner of Survivor All Stars. 

Then they ran The Amazing Race go. 

Come on, baby. Jump. 

And stayed true to each other even though they came up short. 

Having Amber, you are the second team to. 

Arrive the next part of my life. I'm looking forward to is getting married and stuff in the family. 

Now there's one adventure left. 

Wow, look at that. 

It's time for them to get married. 

Feel like a bride today. 

I love this. 

And so wow, that was a lot. Sorry, that's a big long grab of Rob and Amber getting married. But did their high achievers, they went on to The Amazing Race and all of that other stuff. 

Yes. Wow. 

I was happy when they got lemonades still. 

You were, yeah. 

I don't like them. But you know what? I need to eat my fat fatty words because they're still married. It lasted. I was cynical. And I'm sorry. I have to say I'm sorry. 

Yeah. They are you. Look at all of those couplings. 

I was wrong. 

And you don't. You guys, do you know why I think? 

Perfectly matched because you both love money. 

But because they both love money and they're a really good team that have come together over their love of money, they've done very well. Hey, look, they've been married for 20 years. They've 20 years. They've got 4 kids. 

Love money. They've lasted, they have so. I should just shut up. They have done well. True love and money. 

They're doing very, very well for themselves, you know, and thankfully they kind of stopped because I didn't want to see Rob and Amber make baby. Although you know if they love money, there's always only fans. Ah, yeah. OK, that's the end of the show. I'm sorry. We we we have definitely reached a natural conclusion. Or maybe an unnatural conclusion. But that's it. We're done. You can come and find us on the socialist team owners. Tony, Instagram, Facebook. Tick Tock, YouTube as well. I've started to put the podcast on YouTube. 

Hmm. 

It's it's a. Bit of a pain in the ****. 

Ohh someone emailed me the other day telling me that your SEO isn't very good and they'd like to. Help us actually. 

Ohh, kiss my ****. I don't have time. Yeah, sure. Take my credit card and all my personal details. We have another show next week for you, as always. You can find out more about that later on. Thank you very much. We love you. We appreciate you listening more than you know. We'll see you next week. 

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