Deep Throat unmasked and Gordon Ramsay unhinged

Rewind to 29 May to 4 June 2005 — a week of anonymous sources, screaming chefs and beauties meeting geeks.

🕵️ Deep Throat outs himself.After three decades of whispers, Watergate’s ultimate whistleblower was revealed: 91-year-old Mark Felt, former FBI bigwig and reluctant pop culture icon. And yes, the code name came from a 1970s porn film. Journalism? Still horny, apparently.

🍳 Hell’s Kitchen is served.Gordon Ramsay made his U.S. debut with Hell’s Kitchen and instantly raised the collective blood pressure of America’s aspiring chefs. From raw chicken to walkouts, the insults were hotter than the pans.

💅 Beauty meets the geek.In the ultimate mid-2000s social experiment (read: TV cringe gold), Beauty and the Geek paired bronzer with Bunsen burners. Cue the glow-ups, awkward flirting and a masterclass in early reality TV tropes.

🏎️ Dan Wheldon takes indy.The UK finally got another Indy 500 win, thanks to Dan Wheldon dodging drama on the final lap. It was his banner year… and tragically, just six years before his fatal crash would change racing safety forever.

🧨 Texas oil site explodes.A gas site outside Houston went boom, igniting the longest-burning oil blaze in the area’s history. No one died, but the smoke, flames and infrastructure panic lingered like… well, like bad policy decisions.

🎶 Oasis get dramatic.Don’t Believe the Truth gave Oasis their best-reviewed album in years… while the Gallagher brothers refused to speak and insulted each other in interviews. Honestly, 10/10 promo strategy.

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• 0:00 intro
• 0:22 show opener
• 9:32 news
• 19:53 sport
• 23:26 music
• 35:47 movies and tv
• 46:06 hatches, matches and dispatches
• 51:00 show closer

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The year is 2005. Anakin turns to the Dark side, YouTube debuts, and we couch jump for Mariah Mcdreamy and a girl with the Dragon Tattoo t -, 20 rewind 20 years with Joe and Mel. 

You know, in May 2005. 

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Ice breaker. Don't judge me up. This is bananas. 

My question is who approved that? 

Do you see where this is going? Not really. 

Sure you do. It's your weekly time machine to the pop culture chaos of exactly 20 years ago each week. If you haven't joined us before, we dive head first into the eyebrow raising news chart, bangers TV, first headline, making moments of the early 2000s served with a fairly heavy pour of nostalgia and little. Flash is SAS thanks to your host Joe and Mel. Hello, Mel. 

Hello everybody. Welcome to T -, 20. We're rewinding this week to the 29th of May through to the 4th of June, 2005. 

One of the great political mysteries of our time was today Saul, who was **** ******, who was the man who supplied information to Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein to the Washington Post that helped bring down the Nixon White House. 

Indeed, what a huge story this was this time 20 years ago, the guy had kept his his identity a secret for years and years and years. 

Yes. Of. Conspiracy theories and we finally found out who it. Was. 

Not even his family knew who it was. 

Ohh dear rush. Come here, you. It's raw. It's king bearing. Serve the king entrain, but need to get food. 

Out. Ohh, that's a big TV debut. Talk about bursting onto the scene. 

Cooking was never the same again. Gordon Ramsay. He started his new Hell's Kitchen over in the US this time 20 years ago. 

Yeah, saucy lambs and insults that are always served medium rare. 

Physical appearance really doesn't normally intimidate me, but there was something about that collection of women that knocked what I'd been planning on saying sort of right out of my. Go ahead. 

The collection of women knocking what you're saying out of your head, which was good because the women that he was talking about didn't have anything in. Their heads anyway either. 

A big reality. Debut beauty and the gig started 20 years ago. Hot girls versus human Wikipedia pages, and we all thought it was OK. 

Yeah, everyone was fine with it. I. Think it look. We'll talk about it more a bit later, but it was one of those shows. 

Yes. 

Where the characters seem to be able to endear themselves whether it was not, it was the reality TV gods engineering. That or not, I don't know, but they certainly did endear themselves to you. 

They did. And hey, have you seen the trend where parents are playing songs to their kids that they used to listen to when they were younger and filming their kids listening to songs, filming the reactions, doing reaction videos? So, you know, think about maybe the Snoop Dogg and Doctor Dre. 

Right. Ohh yes. 

Songs that you used to listen to when you were younger and. 

Uh-huh. 

Back when you know the lyrics are a bit saucy, been across the socials and kids are just what the heck did you listen to? It's it's pretty funny. 

Very saucy. Yeah. Mum. Dad. That's so misogynistic. Yes. 

Yeah. Yeah, they're outraged by the lyrics. 

They don't fit into that woke kind of agenda that exists today. 

*****. 

Say if those songs were released, they wouldn't be released today. Let's be honest, I don't, I don't think. But they are classics, they're classics and. 

Which would be a shame, wouldn't it really? 

Uh. 

Of course they are classics and and you know it was a different. Time it was. 

It was a very different time and that look, that doesn't really shock me because I listened to a lot of that going up and I think you've gotta come to expect with hip hop, particularly the older hip Hop 90s, early 2000s, some of the lyrics were a little bit racy like that just. 

Yeah. 

Comes with the territory, right? 

Suggestive sexual, yes. 

It's the novelty songs of the 90s that have got me reflecting. Can you remember some of the outrageous stuff that we used to dance to on the dance floor at Moose heads singing along, thinking it was OK? 

Yeah. Well, yes, I can. Not one to dance along. On the dance floor at Mooseheads, though, you know me like I wouldn't, but I I'm definitely aware of what you thought. Yeah. Ohh, maybe, maybe just bopping along to this. 

While you're holding the handbags, just tapping your. 

Toe I woke up this morning with a bad hangover and my penis was missing again. This happens all the time. It's detachable. 

1. 

This comes in handy a lot of the. Time I can leave. It home when I think it's going to. Get me in. Trouble. Or I can rent it out when? I don't need it. 

Now that was on the radio and I can remember it being back announced. It's like there's King missile with detachable penis. 

And we thought that was fun. 

Yeah, yeah. News and traffic is next. OK. Please just accepted it. 

That's no problem like fighting. 

On the radio. Yeah, I know. What about the The Bloodhound Gang? Do you remember? 

This one ohh absolutely. 

Mammals. Hello. 

They do on the Discovery Channel. Discover. 

I think that's like one of the most famous ones. 

I think I think that's still on. 

Of them all. The radio? Ohh, it's been making money for The Bloodhound Gang quite comfortably year in year out they still collect royalties. They have. They did have a. 

All right. 

Did that there any song, isn't it? I don't know when you had it. 

Few other songs. 

I don't remember any other ones except for that one. 

Yeah, they, but. Yeah, well, that was the. 

One, but this is The funny thing. Like the Snoop songs, they were never played on the radio because they were censored. 

Now that just. 

Because they were so full. And but this kids. Used to ring up and vote for it on the hot 30 play Bad Touch Bloodhound gang like a A7 year old. 

Blood the blood hand. Yeah. Yeah. It's got lyrics in it, like uh, my favourite. My favourite line in that song is love, the kind you clean up with a mop and bucket it's, you know. 

Discovery Channel song. Come on, play the discovery. Everybody's favourite kind of. 

But there's no. Swearing in that one. So all of that just goes out. On the air, yeah, yeah. But then there was stuff that had swearing on it that still went out on the air, but just in radio edited versions like they would make these offensive songs and then do a radio edited version where everybody knew what they were saying. But we didn't have to worry about it. So it. 

Was OK to play like this one. Don't want no short and what in the world is that? Put that little thing away. That has gaps in video, so smaller I have ever seen like. In my. Got it. 

I mean, my God not not only is it emasculating, but short man by Gillette. I think it was. Was it Gillette? 

You've gotten about that too now, that's. I don't know, but I'd forgotten about that. 

Well, that well, it's gotten, it's gotten a big run on the TikTok recently. So people have been have been breaking it out on the tick tock, we yes, cause I mean it's all about female empowerment. 

Thank you. Thank you for reminding me. Has it people? Found it again. 

That's very funny. 

Isn't it? Yeah. 

Ohh clearly. 

Right. 

Something like that, but that used to. Go out all the time and. 

Then there was the out. Is it out here, brothers or out there brothers? I think it's the out here brothers. They were popular around 9590. 

Yeah. Out here out there, cause. Well, if it was the out there brothers, it would be the ohh their brothers or the, you know? Yeah. So it's definitely the out here. Brothers. Yeah. So that what was their song that. 

6. 

Yeah, mid 90s. 

Was that boom boom boom let? 

Umm. 

Me here, say whale. 

But then they had the the other one, the rude one, don't stop, wiggle, wiggle. 

Ohh. 

Badu, Badu, Badu, badu. Badu. Wiggle wiggle girl. You got to suck my girl. You got to suck my. And you got to suck it quick. And you got you got. 

I mean not not too dissimilar maybe from some of the early 90s rap, but this one used to get through the senses. There's definitely played at Moose Head. 

The the hip hop, yes. Well, you just see all these. I just you girls dancing to it. Yeah. 

You'd dance, you'd sing along. We had no business singing along to these. These these songs think. 

Girls dancing to it stuff. So I think there was a a bit of comedy that Chris Rock did a while ago when he was talking about all the rapper. And all the nasty things that they were saying and how how wives and girlfriends and stuff are dancing to it and stuff and loving it and saying it's great. And then they're like they're but and he and he's asking like, why, how why? And they're like, well, they're not singing it about me. 

Yes, yes. 

I mean, OK. 

We had no business singing that on the bus, no sharing mix tapes with that, with our friends listening to it at sleepovers, getting up early, seeing it on rage. 

No. No, it wasn't. You got more of a sex education watching video hits than you did anything else back in the day, I think, which is, and look at us. We're fine. 

Video hits. 

Hmm hmm. 

And I think we're fine, my psychologist says. We're fine. 

Right. Maybe don't play. Those ones to the kids and film their reactions. 

No, not a good idea. It's the hatches, matches and dispatches clue. You can film your reaction if you get this right at the end of the show. So we're gonna play this for you now. A celebrity that was either born, married, died, something like that this time. 2. Years ago and you can figure out who it is at the end of the show, we'll give you a clue now. Alright. Here you go. 

You know, people always take the Mickey out of my accent to me. I don't sound like I even have an accent. You lot have the accent. 

Do we? OK. Well, we'll find out at the end of the show. Who that is? 

Are you waiting for me to talk? Sorry. You just. 

Yeah, I figure, you know, I did that suggestively. 

Looked suggestively at me. Yeah. For listening to that 90s stuff. 

Yeah, yeah, sure. Man. Really gets me going. 

Detachable painters. Ohh well, **** ******. Let's go. Let's move across to to **** ******. This is actually a code name. Part of a big conspiracy. **** ****** is revealed on the 31st of May 2005. Care of a Vanity Fair article. 

God. Yeah, well, there you go. Classic might as well. Ohh God, this is not good. It is accurate, yes. 

Outing Mark Phelps, former FBI associate director. 

Hmm. 

As **** ******, who was the anonymous source behind the Watergate scandal leaks? 

Yeah. Now that's this is a the Watergate, definitely not of our generation, kind of a generation before. 

It I I never even knew what it was. I knew that it started the whole gate. Phenomena. 

The boomers know what it is. 

Like ****** gate. I thought it had something to do with. Someone drowning Watergate. Yes, but I now know differently. 

No, no, it doesn't. It it was a hotel. It was a hotel. Yeah. 

I've I I've fact checked. Fact checked myself. It was a big scandal, led to the resignation of Richard Nixon. 

It was. He's the only U.S. President that has ever quit the job. The only one that's ever resigned, yeah. 

Big deal. 

So the IT was 1972. Five men were caught breaking into the Democratic National Committee headquarters at the Watergate complex in Washington, DC, and it looked like it was a botched burglary at first. But it was revealed that it was actually part of a larger campaign of spying and sabotage and dirty tricks run by people tied to Nixon's reelection. Team and even worse than that, was the fact that Nixon and his aides had tried to cover it up and they put pressure on like public servants like the FBI, and also lied to the public and destroyed the evidence. 

The scandal exploded when it was revealed that Nixon had secretly recorded conversations in the White House. Those tapes later becoming key evidence there was months of political and legal drama, impeachment proceedings. He finally resigns August 1974 with Vice President Gerald Ford becoming president. Famously, pardoning him a month later. 

Yeah, that's very generous of him. But it, I mean, it was a big political scandal. It changed politics in the US and probably around the world forever in some ways. And there was no trust in the government after that. And this is where they use that suffix. Everything had a gate after it. Something is. So if it's controversial, throw a gate on the end of it. And that legitimises the controversy. 

Yes. 

Love it. 

That makes absolutely no sense. He's Englishes, he's English. English English is a stupid language. It's very hard to pronounciate sometimes. So **** ****** is the secret sauce. Who? Fed the insider info to the Washington Post, he leaked the information to the press. 

Our source as an informant, not secret sources in like herbs and spices. 

Yes, no, not secret sauce. No. Let's move away from special sauces and deep throats and short **** men and all of that sort of stuff. **** ****** was the guy who leaked the information to the media, and that was a a reporter for the for the Washington Post by the name of Bob Woodward. And there was another guy. His Co writer was Carl Bernstein. So he spoke to those two guys during the. Handle. He didn't give them any documents or anything, but he confirmed that he kind of nudged them towards it. He didn't like physically hand them anything. He's like, go and have a look at this and go and check out that and those guys, this is this speaks to journalistic integrity and this is back when, you know, you could trust the media, I guess, like there there was a there's a code where you do not name your source. 

Hmm. Don't reveal your sources, yeah. 

No matter the pressure that is put upon you, so the pressure on those journals. To reveal who that source was would have been absolutely immense. I mean, you're going right to the top of the office of. 

Yeah, absolutely. 

Yeah, like it that for them not to name their source speaks volumes to their integrity. Not only that, but the integrity of **** ****** himself, Mark felt. It is an extraordinary secret to have care. 

An old **** ****** helped them figure out that Nixon's aides were involved in the break in at Watergate. 

Yes. 

They helped reveal that there was a massive cover up orchestrated by the White House, that the FBI's investigation was being interfered with from the top and deep throats. Most famous quote, which came via the news article was around follow the money. 

OK. 

Now, at the age of 91, Feld is long retired and living in California. He came outside today to have his picture taken by reporters, but his grandson spoke for him, saying the family had urged felt to come forward. 

As he recently told my mother. 

I guess people used to think **** ****** was a. 

Little. But now they think he's a hero. 

According to the article in Vanity Fair, felt only began admitting his secret role to his family and his lawyer John O'Connor in the last three years. 

The beginning of this time period, I think Mark felt that he was somehow a dishonourable guy, an FBI agent who was disloyal, who leaked when he shouldn't have leaked, he kept saying an FBI agent. Doesn't do this. But. Talking to him. For. Cheek three years probably for the last six or nine months, he's really convinced he's a hero. He knows he did the right thing. 

And he and he did do the right thing. I mean it this, this is this whole culture towards whistleblowers and stuff as well. It's interesting that in those final years he did think it was OK and imagine if the culture hadn't sort of shifted towards whistleblowers. And I mean the fact was that everyone had recognised at that at this stage in history that Nixon was a crook, even though he said I'm a crook. 

Yeah, yeah. Kept it secret for 30 years, though. And I think as well. So he obviously was getting older, as in his 90s, declining health. I think his family also kind of encouraged him along the way because they were hoping that it would bring him recognition, positive recognition, maybe even some financial help as well. 

He was a crook. Yeah. It's a major historical event. Yeah, not follow the money, right. Yeah, yeah. 

Potentially. Exactly. And obviously one of the most famous anonymous sources in journalism history. 

Yeah. 

The name, though **** ******. It's a bit of an unfortunate name. I don't think it was ever meant to be kind of made public. I think the journalists themselves did it as a code word. It was a cheeky reference, obviously, to the 1970's **** film **** ******, which was hugely controversial and widely talked about at. 

This is a code word. 

The time and. 

Yeah, I only watched it for the articles. Any detachable penises? No special effects. 

Well, no, I didn't think so. I'm not sure I'm not. You know, there's special effects. But. 

The nickname stuck. Though because I guess it it hinted at secrecy and anonymity, but it also had that shock value as well, and it was meant to be just. Yeah, like an in joke newsroom humour. But it it kind of came outside of The Newsroom and the public ran with it. And Mark never called himself that. It wasn't his idea. 

Yeah, yeah. 

I think you wanted to make that clear as well. 

No, I don't think anybody. Ohh, just call me. 

Give. Code name **** ****** please. 

Call me deep. Like what do you want to be called like? Yeah. I mean, like, if he was given a choice, you know? 

What would your? Code name be if you were, if you could be given a code name for something cause you had to be kept anonymous for whatever reason. Yeah. What? What code name would you choose? 

Silverback. Like the gorilla. 

That's nice. Maybe it's dependent. 

Yeah. 

Though on what you're being anonymous for? Maybe you have to. 

Or like or like something else like dark wolf. You know, Lord mist. That was a. That was a. That was Dan from my team. Chat bot name I think or whatever is ICQ or Lord miss. 

Oh, he's yeah, he's online messaging. Lord. I like that. That's mysterious. I I think **** ****** could have gone with. 

Yeah. 

Lord mist, Phillip. 

Yeah. 

That's probably more appropriate. 

So I went for **** ******. I don't think anybody missed but but anyway, moving right along to to a. 

Yes. 

A very unfortunate incident that happened in Houston, TX around June 1st. We talked about a big gas or petroleum disaster. At the diesel refinery a while ago. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Where they left the engine of the. 

Ohh was it the BP BP 1? Yeah. 

Car running in there. 

Yes, big explosion. 

Hmm. Yeah. So there's a there's a big lot. This is the longest. That was one of the largest. This is one of. The. Longest the. We're not. This show is not going well. Yeah, the this is the longest oil or natural gas explosion. 

Don't want no man. 

In Houston, TX and it happened when they were drilling at Crosby in Texas at a site just outside of Houston, which turned into the longest burning well, fire in the area's history, it was operated by the Louisiana Oil and Gas Company, and it was triggered by a ruptured natural gas line at the Louisiana Oil and Gas Company drill site. The workers hit this high pressure pocket of natural gas. And something sparked lightly from the equipment, or possibly even static electricity. Maybe somebody had, like, a somebody. 

Someone had rubbed a balloon in their hair. 

Yeah, polyester jumper. That had just come out of the dryer and they went too close and off she goes. There she blows, caused the gas to ignite. Took off. This huge fireball, took over the entire site. I mean, I don't. I think people were in trouble. I don't think I'd. I'm not sure if there were that many casualties. 

Yeah, it's the worst. 

I don't think there were actually any fatalities, but I think there were. I think there were injuries, but I do remember. 

If any. Yeah, lots of singed. 

Where else? Yeah. 

Like the Bunsen burners, he science. 

Yeah, lots of people lost their eyebrows that. Day. It was really sad, yeah. 

There was lots of evacuations as well and I don't think that the firefighters could get in quickly, which was also part of the reason why it. Burned. 

It was quite hard. 

For so long and yes, no one no. One was seriously. Injured. But there was a lot of environmental concerns, particularly around. 

I know, right? And you know what? Burning hair smells like. Things things. 

This issues also the risk of groundwater contamination and wildlife, of course, displacement. 

Hmm. Yeah, well, yes. They would have gone well because wildlife aren't stupid. They're like, oh, there's a fire. Let's get them out of here. There's people tend to run towards it. So yeah. 

Go somewhere else. I don't want to. Go there. That's dumb. I do remember I do remember it. I remember the footage. 

Yeah. Do you? Because I couldn't find anything online about this when I was looking for like an audio grab. So that's it. 

Yeah, I remember. 

That's the end of the story. OK, great. Let's go over to your favourite topic. I know how much you love sport, and in particular I know how much you love racing cars and this isn't quite Nas car, which I know you have a massive affinity for, but it's close. It's the Indianapolis 500. 

Yes. 

No. 

Jay. Ohh, the Indianapolis. That's great. 

The Indian awful 500. That's the one over in. Greece. Where they raced cortinas. No, no, no. The Indianapolis 500, the Indianapolis British driver. Dan Wheldon won the Indianapolis 500 on the 29th of. 

I honestly thought that's what it was called. 

May 2005 and he became the first British winner since the Sixties. 39 years it took for the British to win the Indianapolis 500 and he was racing for Andretti Green Racing, which at the time was Co owned by Michael Andretti, who's the son of racing legend Mario Andretti. 

Hmm. 

Of course. 

There wasn't the most exciting win it, I think in the final lapse there was a big crash between two other drivers, Kazuki. Matsura and Danica Patrick, which kind of caused them to exit with a bit of a whimper as opposed to a bang because they just after the crash the flags came out. They couldn't get the debris off the track, they cleared their position here. This is what happened. 

Well, I think we might know the outcome of this one right now there there's the white and the yellow at the same time. And Danny well want to say who I picked there. 

And the salt. 

Todd, I know I gotta give you credit. It's not a shield affair. And you didn't wait till the white flag to call it, but there's celebration right now in the Andretti Green camp climb tools and Jim Beam, the folks. From there, 26 the number 26 has never won the Indianapolis 500 until this day in 2. 1005. The yellow flag is out, the white flag is out the final lap. They cannot change their positions. Dan Weldon will lead them around and there you see the frustration on the face of Danica Patrick's face. 

Danny Kirkpatrick was very annoyed. I think she was coming second during those final laps before the crash took her down, which is a a bit of a shame and well done. Obviously it was a banner year for him, I mean. 

Yeah, it wasn't just a Bradbury. He didn't win because. Everyone else fell. 

Nice. 

Over he went on to win the 2005 Series championship. 

Yeah, the whole shebang. Sadly, he died in an accident in 2011. He was in a 15 car pile up with cars going over 220 miles an hour on this Oval track. And. 

Hmm. 

Yeah. 

Yeah, his car went airborne. Hit the catch fence cockpit first and it disintegrated on impact. So he just he's basically it's quite gory, actually, he was unsurvivable head injuries and he was dead at the hospital shortly after at 33 years old. But prior to that had a pretty good. 

Hmm. 

Time well. 

Well, he's dead. 

Racing indycars. 

With the race where where he did die, he wasn't even a full time driver that season, which makes it even more heartbreaking as well. He was offered a $5,000,000 challenge. To start from the back of the grid in wind, which was a promotion designed to boost excitement and viewership and the crash, then one of the worst in IndyCar history, obviously, and led to serious scrutiny of the the track safety car design and high speed format, so it's devastating. 

Yeah. 

That's the thing, man. They're not like, they're not like big, chunky nascars. They're indie cars, so they're quite aerodynamic and going around and around and around. It's, I don't know what to say at the end of this story. So we'll just move on to the next segment. 

Hmm. 

Music wise, this week, 20 years ago, we'll start with the Australian charts. Number one is still Gwen Stefani with Hollaback girl. 

Hollaback. 

And over to the US charts. 

Thank you. 

All I really need is a little bit, not a lot, baby girl, just a little bit. We can head to the crib in a little bit. I can show you how I live in a little bit. 

Southern style get piled old tools coming down in a different colour wheel. Well, well. Picked up perfect you might. 

Want to take? 

Is there any nobody? 

Ohh Mariah taking her place at the on the throne at the top of the the charts. I think it's gonna be a 14 week tenure. So strap yourselves in for that folks mini reigning supreme at #1 there. 

Yes, yes. 

We belong together. Yes, #2 against *****. Hold the back, girl. #3. Ohh. Ohh #4 just a little bit and five. Don't funk with my heart. So same songs. Just yeah. Switched around a. 

Oh. 

The pay 8. 

Little bit, yeah we do. Have a brand new number one. 

No, I do think don't funk with my heart is new to the chance because we had $0.50 we had it's hate it or love it. It's gone. 

Gone. Ohh, I thought we had done wrong with my heart and we refused to talk about it. Maybe it was their album. It was the album. I just say I didn't pay any attention to them whatsoever. So sorry, sorry about that. 

No, it was yes. It's just now The thing is. Yeah, it's alright. It's OK. It all. It all does wash over you from time to time. When you eat, sleep and breathe these sort. 

Of things. Mm-hmm. Yes. Alright. Well, new number one. 

Yeah. 

Over in the UK, then, let's play that. 

Say. 

I didn't know The Beatles were still around 2005. 

So, Oasis, Lila, I didn't know it was Lila. I thought I was saying La La like La La La La from there album. Don't believe the truth. This one debuts at #1 in the UK. They're 7th. 

Ohh of course. Is. That's Lila, Lila, Lila. Of course, if those people were frothing. 

7th. Chart Topper. 

Hmm. 

And typical Oasis style. Big, loud. Stompy. Yeah, beatlesque. Hmm. Written by Noel. He later said that he didn't really want it to be the lead single off that particular album. He thought it wasn't. 

Yeah, it is, isn't. It. 

Their best. 

Really. 

Hmm. And it was originally called Sing. 

Sounds like just it sounds like Oasis to me. I don't know. I don't know how you. It definitely sounds like Oasis. 

So you know, Lila was supposed to be the sister of Sally from. Don't look back in anger, going to Noel and all it was, but he just was messing with journalists. Stephans classic. Classic. No. 

Boost. Ohh, so yeah, of course he's such a joker that null. Yeah. What did Liam have to say about anything? So did he sulking? Alright. 

Ohh, who knows? Who knows? But that leads nicely into the the album releases for this week because the album that this one featured on Don't believe the truth was released same week. 

You don't believe the truth? Yes. Ohh right at the same time. So they the same time. It's so they lead with the single. Did the single come out before the album must have just to establish itself. Single goes to another one and then he's like alright, I think we should release the album debuted at #1 so see they were frothing chomping at the bit. They couldn't wait for more. 

Well debuted at #1, so they must have released it with the album. It's probably been a while between Oasis. 

Oasis. Yes, yes. They're like big drama. 

Potential. 

Ferries travelling through the desert and their humps have become so withered and flaccid that they're kind of flopping around on their back until they find another Oasis to drink from and and and. And that's and then they get their sustenance back. And now their humps are full and Oasis is back at the top of the charts. 

Right. 

Again. 

Magical. 

Yes. 

Don't worry. 

I hope I painted a really nice. 

Not really. I'm just thinking of flaccid humps. 

Picture for you. Yes. Well, you can talk. Fergie about that with the Black Eyed Peas if you like. 

Album sold over 300,000 copies in the first week, becoming one of the best selling albums of 2000 and. Five in the UK, yeah. Couple of other tracks on there besides Lila, the importance of being idle and let. There be love. 

Good. 

And this is actually the first album where other band members wrote songs that weren't vetoed by Liam or no. 

Liam and Noel. Are you serious? Who else does he know ASIS apart from Liam and Noel? Honestly, no. Right. OK, well, of course there. 

Other band members actually were allowed to. I have no idea what their names are. I don't know their. Names, but there are. Others, yes, there are others. Can you believe that? 

Yeah. 

But they they actually got songs on to the album. I don't know which ones they wrote. They also ditched the producer death in Vegas halfway through the recording because Noel reckoned he had to rescue it. He didn't like it. And like, I'm not. This is ****. I'm rerecording it myself. Gonna have gotta get something done. Gotta do it yourself. 

Hmm. 

They didn't like the the quality of the production. Wow. So if you wanna get something done. 

You. 

Do yourself. Yeah, yeah. But snowland Liam, barely on speaking terms. During this era, what a surprise. 

Really. See, man, that's difficult. 

They are often communicating through. Third parties or not at all? 

Right. So but wouldn't the third party? 

So someone like Noel told me to tell you. 

Wouldn't death in Vegas been have been the third party also like what a stupid name death in Vegas? Excuse me. Death in Vegas. I'm not talking to Liam right now, but if you could tell him to get, that would be great. Death in Vegas, like, yeah, sure. I'll talk to him. OK. Hey, Liam, Noel just told you the gift. Thank you very much for that information deaf in Vegas. 

That you stink. 

If you wouldn't mind telling telling. Ohh you back. That would be wonderful. Yeah. OK, I'll do that for you. OK. Hey. No. Liam said I can't even remember which one I'm talking to. Also, I've called myself death in Vegas. Like, what's that all about? That's weird. That's really strange. 

I don't, I don't know. Maybe didn't make it to the Oasis and died the desert. The desert. 

He's he's just ringing up a restaurant and saying, listen, I'd I'd like to get a table. The Gallagher brothers and I are coming out for dinner tonight. I'd like to to to get it or just reserve a table at the Gallagher brothers place? Yes. What name should we put that under death in Vegas? Sorry. What? No. That what name? Yeah, death in Vegas. Just put it under death in. But what about in the coffee line? Skim cap for death in Vegas. 

Well, maybe he just calls himself Div for. Sure. Dev. Dev for dev. Dev. That would make more sense. So they hated each other then and Liam missed a lot of the promo and interviews. Noel was annoyed and said that promoting the album felt like doing jury duty. 

Yeah, that doesn't surprise me. 

And he said that Liam was rude, arrogant, intimidating and lazy. Liam said that Noel was a control freak who writes songs for his cat. 

Yeah. 

But you know the album was released. They did a tour and the tour was one of their best reviewed since the the, You know, Peak 90s Oasis. 

I I think that look to their credit. Hmm. I I think good creative comes from conflict. So you can't have good creative without a little bit of conflict. I think that they went a little bit over the top with the conflict and they may have spoiled the dish at some and sometimes like you know, put too much salt. Hmm. Yeah. The the same kind of thing. 

Petty. They're very salty. 

Yeah, they didn't have enough harmony to go with the conflict, so the IT didn't balance out, right. But in the short term, could stompy brick pop comes from conflicts by the sounds of this. And they're very good at it, just generally just being insulting towards each other and other. 

People, that's my favourite. Part actually, so it's inspired a new challenge for you and new game new segments, Gallagher. 

Really. OK. 

Or grade schooler. 

Ohh Gallagher. Oh, Christ. Let's put some nice little. Like lounge music. 

Is that a that's an Oasis? Worries. Well, that's nice. 

Yeah, just. Well, just to kind of, you know, makes the makes the insults a little bit easier to swallow as well. You know today is the day that I'm going. 

That feels vague. Easy, yes. 

To give it back to you, yeah. OK. 

So we're gonna play Gallagher or grade schooler because their insults are petty and childish, and you have to tell me whether this is a a Gallagher from either side. The Gallagher brother insults? Yeah, or a grade school insult that I've found on Reddit. So where, you know how where people like, talk about their kids and. 

OK. 

You know, my kids said this. 

Yeah, yeah. So, so Gallagher or grade school? OK. 

For. Schooler and we'll. Just start. We'll just let me just. 

I'd like to think that the Gallaghers are a little bit more mature than a grade schooler. 

Let me just. Put this one out here cause we know this one is a Gallagher 1 and I think. 

Yeah. 

This is my favourite. 1. Of. All time. Yeah. He's like a man with a. Fork in a. World of soup. 

It's very good. It's like a man with a fork in a world of soup. 

So this is that. That's classic galaga. 

OK, so like if he was, if this was a game show, I'd be like, welcome back to are you a big? In 1/5 grader I'm your host. Noel. Is that what we're getting? 

At here pretty much OK. Are you ready? He's face. Looks like something that came out. 

I think so. 

Of a slow. 

Cooker Gallagher brother. Ohh no grade schoolers? No what slow cookers. 

Very cool. 

Apparently so that is. 

That is a very good insult. 

I like that. 

Yeah, I'm gonna use that. Yeah, yeah. 

OK. Are you ready, Gallagher or grade schooler? Even a glue stick knows when to shut its lid. 

That's that's a grade schooler that has to. 

It is flock over the light. It is OK? Yeah. OK. 

Be it goes, it goes. It's like you're either eating them or you're smart enough to think about it. Insult around them, yes. 

I've got nothing to say about him that wouldn't be improved by shutting up. Yes, OK. 

Has to be a Gallagher brother. Yes, yes, right. The the him. The saying things about him gave it away. 

He's like a software update. Whenever I see him. I think not now. 

Don't you just I. 

Just get that. I know exactly what that feeling. 

Ah, yes. Yeah, absolutely. I and I know people that are like software updates. Like, they're oh, my God. So many times she's sitting there minding my business and then they'll see you from across the room you're like. 

Is there's not no. 

Not now, you know. 

Gallagher, a grade schooler try in like 5. 

Maybe later try tonight. Years. Yeah. How does never does never work for you? I'm gonna say, I don't reckon Gallaghers are that computer savvy. I'm gonna say that's a grade schooler. 

That is a great store. You're doing very well. 

Alright. 

Alright, next one. Yep. He's the human equivalent of a participation trophy. 

These are all awesome. These are so. 

Good. These human equivalent of a. There's a patient, I reckon that's a Gallagher brother itself. Ohh damn it. Damn it. It. That's a. That's a line ball. I could hear them saying that for. 

Great. Still great. Cool. Alright. 

Sure. He's like a man with a stone in his shoe. 

That's a Gallagher brother reads film. Yeah. 

That's the scale. 

But man, there's a stone in his shoe. 

He's like the kind of person who'd still be talking when you're trying to apologise. 

Grade school insult delegate. Damn it. Well, yeah. 

There we go. 

Alright, here's your last one, Gallagher or grade schooler? 

Uh-huh. 

He's like a dog that keeps sniffing and lamp post that's already been peed. 

On it's very nice. 

That's a guy, the brother. 

And so it is. And he said this so. 

Editing it back to PEG so that it would make it a bit trickier. Yeah, yeah. 

Yeah. Yeah, good on you. Wow. You tried to throw me a curveball there. He's still. I'm. 

You did well. You at least passed. 

Glad. What I think I did well, I'd say that's like at least 9050%. 

That 150%. 

90 percent, 90% more educated from the Gallaghers, so if I was to ask you if we were gonna play this again, what would you say? 

506363.5 well done. 

See maybe. 

Ohh. 

That was a good game. I enjoyed that. I liked games when I'd win and do. 

Hmm. 

DJ. Well, I'm sure there's plenty more Gallagher insults, so we can come back for another round anytime. 

Sounds good. I don't know if you can hear that in the background, but this is the first time we've sort of had the luxury of being able to record the podcast during daylight hours and hmm, some wanka next doors. Mowing the lawns. No, they know. 

Who we are. 

Yeah, sorry if you Gallagher insults at them a bit later. On anyway, yeah. 

Yes. 

Yeah, even a. 

Glue stick knows when to shut its lips. Keep it down. 

Yes. 

Exactly. Exactly. OK. So number one at the box office in Australia and the United States of America is. Star Wars episode 3 Revenge of the Sith. But was it revenge of the Sith? I think it was revenge of the Sith. Yeah, no, of course. 

Yes, which we. 

Yeah. 

You didn't know that straight away. 

I knew it. I did, of course. Yeah, I did, of course. 

We have, we have talked about it, so let's move to the small screen television. We had a couple of pretty big premieres. Let's start with the 30th of May 2005, Hell's Kitchen U. 

Uh-huh. Yeah. 

Yes. 

You've been sitting here and. 

It's the Red kitchen channel. 

You're waiting on a Wellington and one batch. Yes, well, I'm deeply, deeply, deeply sorry. But right now we're about 7 tables behind. 

That doesn't do much for. 

Me. Yeah, right. Can I just say you do call for? Me either. What do? You want. Sorry, you do nothing for me either. 

And. 

I just don't understand why it's so difficult to. 

Search some people. 

That feel are you that arrogant? You haven't got a clue what's going on behind me. 

It seems like. 

You have a lot of amateur sous. 

Chefs right. Finally, your heads coming outside your soul. Now sit down, you. 

Nothing upsets Chef Ramsay more than when customers come to the kitchen. 

I love that there needed to be an. 

Explanation. Well, it's it's it's Americans. And they just that's this is their introduction to the enigma that is Gordon Ramsay. 

If. 

Nothing else hits Simone. I love that he is just as obnoxious to the patrons, to the customers that that's not even someone who's working for him. That's someone who's waiting for their. 

Yeah, yeah. 

Food getting a little. 

Yeah, he's this. 

So impatience. 

That has basically been made famous, I think like he's a good cook, right? Like you can cook, but he's basically been made famous because he's ohh. It's like I'm famous for being a toll. I mean, that's something that I would aspire to. I think that's a wonderful way to make a living. The thing is, is it very rarely turns out well for you unless you Gordon Ramsay. And even then, I don't know. 

Yeah, that was great. I loved that inside. Laura Gallagher, brother. 

Well, yeah. Well, it's tumultuous, you see, you know. 

Hmm. 

It's it could have been some kind of superhero team up between the Gallagher brothers and Gordon Ramsay. Yeah. 

And Gordon Ramsay, that would be interesting. Maybe they could do, they could do one of those. Those roasts, they could roast each other. 

Should have guessed it on each others shows and albums. Noticing A trend here with these angry British men this week? 

It is a bit, isn't it? So this is the inaugural season of the US version, so it's the American adaptation of the British series. 

Yes. Yeah. So he's quite seasoned. 

Time the first time US audiences are introduced to the fiery world of Gordon Ramsay in the. 

At being an adult. 

The culinary culinary competition of culinary. 

Culinary not culinary. You know what I mean? Competitions to be taken place down there. 

Under the gardens, obviously it's the competition and you have 12 aspiring chefs competing for the grand prize. This first season had 11 episodes challenges. I'm not even gonna try and say it. 

Yes. 

Culinary culinary challenges culinary challenges? 

Uh dinner services eliminations. It introduced staples like the signature dishes. 

Signature disc? Yeah, he's all over that. I think he just called the. 

Did. 

Guy. 

Kid Dish Challenge team switches. There were some big moments, Jeff. Yep. Jeff had a confrontation with Gordon. He called him an hole under his breath. I remember that one. He was like, remember he went. 

Uh-huh. Ohh yeah yeah, it's like what you say to me. 

And and Jeff didn't back down. Jeff stood by his comments and there was a very heated exchange and I think Jeff left the show pretty much at that that point. 

Said you're sorry. 

Good morning. I'm not surprised, I said. Did he threat? Team. 

Yeah, there was something. It was. 

So I know that there's ohh why? 

A big. 

Why wouldn't you? 

There's montages on on the YouTube you just look. So Gordon Ramsay meltdowns. I'm pretty sure Jeff's one of them. 

Yeah, there is you. They've got a bunch of them. You find Jeff in there somewhere, you find them. Then there was that chick, Elsie, Elsie Ramos, mother of six. No formal training. She became a fan favourite because she was so determined. And. 

There's a. Lot. 

The. Yeah. 

He grew and I think Jordan was reasonably right. And then the the guy that won season 1, Michael Ray, he he was impressive because he was good with culinary stuff and he could say the word and he he got the opportunity to open his own restaurant and train under Ramsay in London and then he knocked it back. He said due to personal. 

There's always a fan favourite, isn't it? 

Hmm. 

No. 

Reasons. 

Because there's no reason. 

Yeah. 

Probably didn't want to be thrown at all the time. 

By Gordon. 

Might have been a bit sensitive. You know, there's only so much abuse you can take. It's like, yeah, I mean, it is abusive. So that was. That's the darker side of reality. But there was a lighter side to reality TV this time 20 years ago with the premiere of Beauty and the Geek Beauty and the Geek. You had the original series in the USA. 

Yes. 

My. Miss Richard Rubin and I am from New Jersey. I can teach you a lot about a lot of things. The waiting for you, you, whoever, whoever then so. I will see you in a bit, ladies. 

My God. 

That was a a more confident geek there from season 1 of Beauty and the geek. I did not know that the show was created by Ashton Kutcher. 

Yeah. Neither did I, and now that I know that, I'm like. 

I don't like it anymore. I don't like it anymore. Yeah. 

You were taking the ****. 

Yeah, and. And and his buddy, Jason Goldberg, I don't know who he is, but they called it the ultimate social experiment like we've. 

Ohh, that was the tagline. 

Never heard that before. 

Yeah, I remember that. Yep. 

In reality TV. Yeah. So, you know the story, 8 beauties models or whatever. Yeah. With eight guys who were brains not not you know, anything to look at really physically or anything. But incredibly smart men. 

Yep. 

Based on their looks. Lots of them had impressive knowledge in fields like engineering. 

Yeah. 

Physics. Computer stuff. 

Dungeons and Dragons Star Trek. 

They love dungeons and Dragons, Star Wars comic books. If it sounded a bit like you, apart from the engineering and the computer science. 

Yeah. Yeah. 

Yeah. 

Yeah. Yeah. Sorry, I. 

Just didn't really apply myself, did I? I I was a burnout. 

Often seen in ill fitting clothes. With basic or outdated hairstyle. 

It's still sounding like me. Thanks. 

No awareness of trends or style. 

That would be me. That would be me. I just didn't do that. 

You just have to do some physics and. 

An engineering I know I could have been some I could have been a contender, could have been somebody in the in the premiere, the participants met for the first time. They went off into teams. Teams competed in challenges to Tessa Beauties, intellect and the geek social skills, which is obviously hilarious, and hilarity ensued and everybody watched it. And then the winning team got immunity. 

Then you you could have been. 

From elimination liner nation. Hmm, yeah. From culinary elimination, while the the bottom teams faced off in a quiz to determine who would be sent home with quiz cause. 

Ohh that's right. Yes, because then the the geek would teach the. 

Beauty in preparation for the quiz. 

Yes, and it was. The whole thing was to see if people from different circles could learn from each other and form meaningful connections. And look, I think it was a rousing success in that regard because it did have a nice sentiment behind it. They. Kind of indeed themselves, the people. But the thing with it is, is you. If you remove yourself from the fact that they are in a social experiment and a manufactured TV programme, never in a million years would you find that pairing. Otherwise, no. 

In real life, well, I think I think a couple of them got together like over this cause this obviously ended up going worldwide. We had our own version here in Australia that went for many years and I think then they brought it back more recently with Sophie Monk. Yes. And I think there were a cup. There are a few couplings. 

Yes. We did. 

Uh-huh. 

Don't know if any of them lasted, but outside of the experiment some of them did go on to date. 

Hmm. 

But I don't know looking back at it, think about what was. So the whole idea is, do these beauties accept these guys for who they are, right? And would they, would there be a connection there? 

Yeah. Uh-huh. 

What's the episode that. Everybody loves in this show, the. 

The makeover, where they don't look like exactly, yes. 

Absolutely. And that that was everybody's favourite bit and all of a sudden. And it's like, ohh, now they're tolerable. 

Now he's yeah. 

Yeah, your one looks pretty hot. I wanna be paired up with him. 

Now. 

That was often the discussions afterwards. So. 

I think think. 

I I don't know. I don't. Know how I feel about it? 

I I think it was like live action friend zoning. That's all it was. It's just like every week and they were just friend zoning me out of these poor guys who would never even a chance to begin. 

And you know. With and, you're not gonna be horrible to them because you've been brought on the show with that premise. It was it wasn't one of those shows where they tricked them into anything they knew. They knew they're getting into, and you're not gonna look like a *****. 

Yep. 

Yeah, but it's also like. 

On team days. 

I was gonna say in some ways I feel a bit sorry for the beauties in that regard as well. Because they might be they, they don't have to. Like you don't have to like people. You don't have to like them. And so. And if they don't like them or they're not attracted to them, or they or they, or they reject their advances because they're an. 

Hmm. 

Endearing characters like I really like her, and I'd like her to go on a date with me. And he's like, well, you go on a date. With me and she goes no. And everyone's like. 

Yes. Yeah. 

She's a villain, but is she like? I don't think that's. 

Fair. I like the skates. Don't like the beauties. There was a couple of Greeks that didn't like the beauties that were just like, no, you're not. 

That that's. Coercion or something, isn't it? 

Yeah. 

For me and the. 

Beauties were like what? I can't believe it. Unbelievable. How dare they? 

Right. Yeah, I don't know how it sits with me and now knowing that Ashton Kutcher was behind it all. Umm, not sure. 

Look, and I'll tell you as soon as you put those those beauties in the Princess Leia return of the Jedi Bikini, all bets are off. Ohh quick episodes, a good episode. I mean I feel like we put a lot into a short amount of time and we're not quite there yet. We're at the hatches, matches and dispatches section. 

Yes. 

Nothing significant in the way of, you know, the Messiah wasn't born this time 20 years ago or anything like that. 

Ohh there was a there was a rapper called Little Little Someone. 

Yeah, of course it was. 

And I looked him up on the YouTube. 

Yeah. 

And then I thought ohh you'll just be too mean to him. Little Darius, little Darius and I just thought you'll be too mean to him. And he seemed a little bit tough and I was a bit worried about. 

Yeah. 

Talking about him, so we went with someone else, went with the birthday. 

Really get hit in with a Gallagher style insult. Do you reckon? Did his face look like something that would come out of a slow flick? 

We went with the birthday. 

Silly. 

No. So we just, we did, we went with a birthday, a celebrity having a birthday that said this. 

You know, people always take the Mickey out of my accent to me. I don't sound like I even have an accent. You lot have the. Accent. 

Yeah, you lot have the if you said Scary Spice, AKA Mel B. Correct. It's her birthday. Birthday Mel Brie. 

Melanie Brown. Who was born Leeds, England. So I'm sure she doesn't have an accent there and she's at home. Janine. 

Middle name jeanine. Yeah. After the secretary on the Ghostbusters? Yeah. 

I mean, that doesn't. Yeah, that she doesn't feel like a Jeanine. Little name to me. 

Janine, I can hear a Janine in that. Accent, yeah. Yeah, really. Yep. 

Yeah, yeah. Interesting. So 2005, obviously this the Spice Girls are no more at at this point. She was, I think. 

There. 

She was working on her second solo album in 2005. 

She wasn't like having babies with Eddie Murphy or something like that. 

LA state of mind. No, that was Phoenix. That was a few years earlier. Phoenix, shy or shy and. 

Ah, right. 

Yeah. 

In nineties 99, that was because he said that it wasn't his didn't. 

That's what she had that yeah. He did he? Yeah, I mean. 

Eddie Murphy said that that wasn't his baby and she said, well, I beg to differ and I think she ended up doing it at a paternity test and it was proven that it was his. Yes. And I don't think he's had much involvement over the years. 

Yeah. All right. Yeah. Well, but and it was that. It was his child. 

It's very disappointing because I do like Eddie Murphy, like Raw and Delirious and I thought you. Know he was. 

I think he gets around a bit. 

I felt like he'd be more. Involved dad. A little bit, does he? 

He's got lots of kids, he has lots of kids. Yeah. That the donkey from Shrek has been sowing his wild oats all over. Never Neverland. Yeah. 

Is he like? 

Really. See. Yeah. Ohh. He's got a few. I don't know. Off the top of my head. Do you want me to try and do you want me to look it up? 

How many kids do you recognise? 

Like. Do be. 

I think you should look. That up and while I talk about. 

You all. You talk about Melanie, vice versa. 

I'll. Melbourne, so she's about to release her second studio album, LA State of Mind. I think that came out in June, didn't really do too well. It was released independently so didn't have a lot of promo around it. 

Hmm. 

Didn't chart in the UK, which is where it expected to to do pretty. She was starting to do TV appearances. There was minor acting gigs UK stage work. She appeared on the morning and some entertainment shows. I think she had a book. Her autobiography. Ohh, that came out in 2002. Sorry. Catch of fire. Have you found out how many children he has? 

Yeah. 

MHM. 

Right. Yeah, 10 Eddie Murphy is the father of ten children, Eric. 

Really. 

10 and how many mums? 

Eric and Bria, both 34 years of age Christian, 33 miles, miles Mitchell, 31, Shane Audra, 29 Solar IV, 23 bellisari 21. Angel Iris 6. Thing is, he, Iona 7 and Max Charles five. I think that's a few of them. Yeah. He's got a few baby mums as well, so yes. 

Wow. Lots. Wild. Oats. Hmm. Nice. There you go. Yes, but back to Mel. B. 

Back to the but. 

But Brown, she moved to LA in 2005, and it was a little bit after this when we started to see her career resurgence around the 20 tens and she started appearing on the talent shows. America's Got Talent, wasn't she on? Was she on the Australian masked singer? She's on. She's been on a few of our things. We. 

Hmm. 

I think she was. I liked it. She I like it. I like her on Got Talent because and she was on The Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon when she was doing the Got Talent thing talking about her accent, which is where we got the grab from. She really struggles with the word buzzer. 

Her. 

Constant. On the panel on America's Got Talent, Heidi and Simon always take the mica. I how I say. 

Browser. 

Oh, oh, the boozer. 

The buzzer. The buzzers. You, you, you. You know what I mean? The buzzer, I mean. And then the way that they say it, they go boozer. Like, I sound like I've been smoking 50,000 cigarettes and I'm on my deathbed. 

Yeah. Yeah. The boozer. Yeah, I knew. Of course, I knew that. 

Took that, yeah. 

The buzzer. The buzzer. 

The boozer? That's. Cute. Funny. I do like her. Happy birthday, Mel B. 

Good. 

Happy birthday. I hope you're is is. Using. And then we're gonna buzz off. Yeah, that's it. We're done. That's the end of the show. Very short one this week, but we'll be back next week with a whole bunch of stuff. What do we got? We got. Ohh, there are lots of things next week. 

I am sure ohh spice. We've got some spices. We've got white powder. 

We've got spies in disguise. We've got spies. White powder. This is sounding like a party. I want to show up to spies. White powder, dodgy doctors. I mean, this is the party of the century next week. 

Dodgy Dr. Umm. Yes and yeah, that that's probably enough. 

Ohh, you know what else we've got? What else? Crazy frogs? 

oh 

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