iTunes launches podcasts and Ned Kelly becomes Aussie merch royalty

Rewind to 26 June 2005 to 2 July 2005

🎧 Podcasting goes mainstream. iTunes officially jumps on the podcast bandwagon and suddenly your weird uncle with a headset mic thinks he’s the next Ira Glass. Everyone’s got a podcast now — including us — but we promise zero toilet wine reviews.

⚖️ Grokster gets busted. The Supreme Court serves up a harsh reminder that building your business on pirated copies of Gladiator isn’t exactly legal. Goodbye free Shrek downloads, hello suspicious .exe files and 12-hour waits for "Finding Nemo" that definitely weren’t Nemo.

🧢 Ned Kelly gets heritage listed. Glenrowan, site of Ned Kelly’s final standoff, gets heritage status and an unofficial side hustle in car decals, mailbox toppers and calf tattoos that say “such is life.” Iconic outlaw, small-town merch king.

🎤 Live 8 turns up the volume. Bono, Pink Floyd and every early-2000s music icon throw the world’s biggest gig to ‘make poverty history.’ It’s Live Aid, but with broadband, more leather pants and slightly fewer perms.

🎥 Bobby Brown overshares. Being Bobby Brown premieres and we get an unfiltered, chaotic and occasionally TMI look into the life of Bobby and Whitney. It’s equal parts hilarious, uncomfortable and impossible to stop watching.

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Chapters

• 0:00 intro
• 0:21 show opener
• 9:04 news
• 30:28 technology and innovation
• 41:54 music
• 57:21 open up the boombox
• 1:00:20 movies and tv
• 1:08:23 books we didn't read
• 1:17:35 hatches, matches and dispatches
• 1:22:54 show closer

Transcript

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The year is 2005. Anakin turns to the Dark side, YouTube debuts, and we couch jump for Mariah Mcdreamy and a girl with the Dragon Tattoo t -, 20 rewind 20 years with Joe and Mel. 

26 June 2005. 

-20, hey, what do you think this is a? Talk show -20 tonight. 

Breaker. Don't judge me up. This is bananas. 

My question is, who approved that fit? 

Do you see where this is going? Not real. 

Welcome to T -, 20, the podcast that hits rewind on the biggest, weirdest and most unforgettable pop culture moments from exactly it precisely 20 years ago. And maybe they're not so unforgettable. We're here to remind you, just in case you did forget. Each week we do this every week we dig through the headlines, chart toppers and just all the chaos from the mid 2000s to bring you the stories you forgot all you loved or. Like I said before, just straight. 

Up. Forgot. Hmm. Yes. 

With your host, Joe and Mel. 

Hello, Mel. Hello. We're rewinding. 26th of June to the 2nd of July 2005. In the week, the Internet was lawless. Your iPod just got a glow up and Australia turned to violent. Stand off into a tourist attraction as we like. To do, we got. Courtroom drama outlaw chic. And all the rogue energy you can handle. 

G'day everybody. Dave here and welcome to the next episode of Discover Wangaratta. Today we're in Glen Rowan and we're here to discover and explore the rich history this area has to offer. Yes, thanks very much. Was it Dave, you Wangaratta? I think so for the insight into the rich history which we'll find out. 

Time. 

A bit more about because Ned Kelly siege sighting Glenrowan gets heritage status this time 20 years ago. Crikey, there's a lion in the studio. That's The MGM lion, just in case you wanted to know. 

They did have their day in court, didn't they? And basically said you can't build your business on pirated copies of Gladiator. 

Umm. 

Which is disappointing for anyone. I mean Russell Crowe be happy, get a bit more money then. 

Thanks very much. 

And we recently announced something new for iTunes and iPod, and it's called podcasting. 

Ohh, something new podcasting. It was all the rage. A new thing. iTunes launches podcast this time 20 years ago and everyone becomes a radio announcer. 

Wow. Wow. Back when it was a new thing. 

My goodness, of course. 

Yeah, we got out of the business just. In time. 

We did, and we'll have some interesting stats on sort of podcasts back then versus now. It's a bit so it's. A bit crazy, but I think in honour of iTunes launching podcasts and. 

Yes. 

Literally everybody thinking. They've got something important to say I. Wanna play a game? 

With you, I love games. I've been enjoying these games that you. 

Because. 

Bring there are some niche podcasts out there. Hmm. Right. Like any topic, anything you're interested in, you can find at least 50. 

Very. 

6 podcasts on. 

And so much that you're not. It's amazing any top. 

Yes. 

Big on anything? Yes. And because they are so nice, a lot of these really nice topics do really well and then really broad ones like ours. 

Yes. 

Not so great now, I guess. But we're gonna play podcast or prison hobby. 

Ohh well that sounds delightful. We I did feel like I need some more prison type music food, but anyway yeah, it is a little bit for the clink. 

It's probably a little bit too peppy for for the clink, yeah. 

Yeah. 

Well, there you go. That one stopped. It sounds like the prison doors. Closing on it. Well, I'll, I'll. I'll, I'll. Fire it around and find something. 

Well, ferret OK. Very good so. 

Say. 

You've gotta tell me. If this is a podcast or a prison. 

Hobby. Careful with the word ferreting in prison. I. That might mean something. You know how they've got, like, their own language. I don't claim to know what ferret would mean in prison, but I don't think it would be good. Sorry. So the rules again once again. 

OK. 

You've just gotta tell me if this is a podcast, like a real podcast that you can download on iTunes or a prison. 

Yes, I think. 

Hobby and past time in prison. 

I can. I think I could cope with. 

That podcast, correct? Yeah, that is. 

OK, #1 ear hustle. 

Oh. 

Real and critically acclaimed podcast made by inmates at San Quentin Prison sharing stories of their daily life inside the clean, so it's technically both actually, so you probably would have been correct either way, OK. 

So it's a podcast in prison? Well, yes. 

Good. 

It's very rare occurrence in this household, yes. 

Podcast or prison hobby. Soap. Carving weekly. 

That's. 

Definitely a prison hobby. 

It is a popular creative outlet in prison. 

Not say this the. 

Podcast Harvard. Sorry for doing a shift. 

This doesn't really ohh could be a. Bit of could be ASMR ish. 

Uh. 

Bit of noise out of carving since so. 

Little bit, but it's a bit flaky. 

OK, podcast or present hobby. The yard time chronicles. 

Get it? See what I did there? That is a podcast. 

No. Ohh no. 

And yeah, time is real outdoor time in. 

Prison. Yes. But I mean, that looks like the title of something. Or it sounds like the title something I should say, right? 

Yes, OK, knitting for survival. 

Prison hobby. 

Correct. 

Yeah. 

It's taking some. 

Use as a meditative, productive activity. Also helps avoid Shank related hobbies. Unless you're using the knitting needles, they're very dangerous. 

Yes. Well, yeah, yeah. 

Maybe. Well, maybe they only allowed fingerprinting. Prison. 

Maybe. Or maybe they're using ones amount of paper like the paper straws. Ohh, who knows? Alright. Podcast or prison hobby? 

Maybe that's where the ferreting comes in to the finger knitting. I don't know. That's definitely a prison hobby. 

Locked up and loaded. Present hobby, yes. 

Yes. 

So. 

You're very poker face. You know. I'm. I'm sitting here trying to figure out which button I've gotta press if I'm right or I'm wrong and you just kind of, you know, really in the zone. Yeah. Yes, that is. I reckon that's a podcast. 

Hmm. 

OK, you're ready making ships and making amends. 

No prison lobby. 

Ah. 

Ohh I thought it was too obvious to be a a prison hobby. 

OK, what about this one cellblock stories? 

Yes, Todd. 

Correct. Podcast or prison hobby toilet wine tasting notes. 

Prison hobby. 

You're doing well with this. 

You're doing well and your last one convicted conversations. 

Podcast. 

Correct. This is a real show. 

Hosted by a formerly incarcerated man discussing life after prison injustice and second chances, so there are a lot of podcasts about prison out there. That is your niche. That's your area of interest. 

Really. That's funny. I I think there was. There was a guy. There's a stand up comedian and I'm sorry that I can't remember who he is, but he used to tell this joke. He's an Aussie, stand active idiot about how he didn't do very well as a radio announcer in prison cause you'd be like oh, you know, it's it's a lovely day out there. It's gonna be a a warm 28° outside. That was fun. I like games. Do you? Yeah, I like it when you put me. 

You were particularly good at that one. 

Through my paces. I enjoy it because normally the shoes on the other foot, like I'm always asking the questions at the trivia nights and whatnot with with the little MC side hustle and that's it's pleasant to not have to ask the questions and be able to approach it from a different angle and think about how I would answer the question instead of. 

Yes. 

That's true. 

Just. Falling back on the fact that. I already have the. Answers. If you know what I'm saying. 

Not really, but you've got to ask a question now. How about you do that? 

Ohh yeah, it's the hatches. Matches and dispatches. Clue. Sorry. I've gotta be caught up in my own books. Then we're gonna play you a clue for somebody from our hatches. Matches and dispatches segment, which we'll feature later in the show. You can guess who it is right now and then get the answer later. Isn't that exciting? You're a part of the game, too. You're playing a game with us as well. 

Yes it is. 

Everyone's involved. I think it's wonderful. What's? 

This one ohh you're asking. 

Me. Yes, I'm yes. No, I'm not gonna play it. No, it's like, what is this? Is this a Hatcher match or a dispatch? 

Ohh I thought you were asking everyone listening and I was like, they're not gonna answer that. Ohh. I I think you went with the dispatch didn't. You did you? 

Ohh, that's right. Yes. Somebody who passed away who will sang this. 

Kisses from you? 

I just thought I'd give you like a an easy one, but a nice smooth one as well, and as much as it is a dispatch, I guess a celebration of their life. Also, we'll find out. I'm sure you know it already, but we'll find out later. 

Hey. 

Starting with the news on the 27th of June 2005, we have a Supreme Court ruling on P2P that's peer to peer. I do believe file sharing sites. They handed down a landmark decision in the case of MGM studios versus. You put your line away so much and I think our insurance will cover that. 

That's the lions lying on the list. Goodness me. Fetch me my tranquilliser. Go. 

The lion versus Grokster. Limited which? Major implications. 

Still around here. Peoples. 

For the digital media and tech industries, the court ruling unanimously ruled that peer to peer file sharing companies can actually be held liable for copyright infringing actions of their users if those companies actively promote or induce such infringement, so they're responsible. 

Good Kitty. Good cat. Yeah. 

Because they provided the platform. 

For all the people putting all the things in there and sharing and the downloading and the not getting what you think you're downloading definitely wasn't magic stick, but they. They can be liable well. 

Like you said, this is a landmark decision because up until now, it's kind of been the Wild West. Yes, with the exception of, obviously the Napster case that happened a little earlier. So that's the precedent, right? 

Yeah, pretty much. And these companies Grock star and the other one I think was called Streamcast or Morpheus or maybe it became Morpheus. They popped up after Napster was shut down, but the difference there was they were actually positioning themselves as the new Napster and were pretty actively promoting themselves as illegal downloaders. 

That's weird like. Where the new Napster got to catch us? Yeah, it's weird. 

Very similar software to what Napster Hads allowing users to share files direct. Actually they didn't host the content themselves. It was the vast majority of what users shares the piece, so they were providing the infrastructure for the peas to share with the other peas. They were just. 

Ohh cause of peer to peer so it's the seeding thing like it's I never knew how that worked. Yeah, somebody was like you get a VPN and then you go and do the P2P with your VPN. 

Put your thing, put your thing in there and then you go and. 

Yeah. And then you and then you you you download something. But then while you're downloading something, you're also seeding something else, which sounds. 

Get the thing. That the other person put the thing up there. 

Very sexual and I don't like that. Or horticultural, depending on where your mind's at, which is obvious. Pretty obvious. Which would conclusion I jumped to 1st, but anyway it's it's very I. I never understood it wholly. Hmm, if you know what I mean. 

Well, no, you do Glock stirrer and streamcast slash Morpheus. We're being sued by the entertainment industry, predominantly MGM. 

Freaking lying still around. Getting out of it. Settling and scooting on the carpet. 

They they sued, arguing that the services enabled and encouraged piracy, according to the court filings. During the early 2000s, users were regularly using groups to download the Matrix. The Lord of the. 

Oh yeah. 

Rings Shrek. 

Yep. 

And gladiator. 

The all good films like top shelf movies. Hmm. 

Doctor Dre Metallica also targeted Grokster and Morpheus because, yeah, they're pretty much the. Napster Dre said that they need to block users from sharing his music, and they refused and Metallica were like, well, here's a lawsuit with bed earlier with a Napster. We'll just use it on you guys. 

They were like, no, sorry Joe. Yeah, they like they. Metallica walked up and they put, like, Napster's head on a Pike out on the front lawn of of rockstars. Yeah. 

Hmm. Hmm is what we did last time. Yes, it must be a warning to you. 

Yeah. Nothing's more menacing than the little Danish drummer boy Lars. All Rick in his in his tennis shorts coming up with the little cat head on a Pike outside. 

Wouldn't wouldn't miss? 

That no, the the lawsuits, though, did feel the argument that Grokster wasn't just offering at all. It was actually knowingly enabling piracy. 

Well, yes, that's right. It's like you're providing a platform for them to do it. You're basically. Putting a loaded gun in the Pirates hands, I guess MGM. Yeah, yes. And other studios, excuse me, documented millions of illegal downloads of copyrighted forms being traded on them because. And it was all the all of the sorry. It was all of the new DVD releases. So they were losing like heaps and heaps of revenue. And because Grokster had no search philtre or. 

Hmm. 

Copyright protection. They could do. You could download anything like anything. Wanted and then the Supreme Court were like, well, this is proof that you're encouraging it, Rockstar, because you can actually download anything and they are DVD's that have been ripped and then put up there. So you know, you, you definitely. You're definitely encouraging that piracy. It's the life blood of your platform, for God's sakes, cause 90% of the stuff on there was absolutely illegal and copyright. 

And according to the lawsuits that they were actively trying to recruit Napster users after Napster were shut down, 1 exec called their user base pirates. 

Yaar, he pirates. 

And there was no serious efforts to prevent piracy. In fact, their business model pretty much depended on it. So the Supreme Court said that it's. Did not outlaw the file sharing technology itself, which did have. Legitimate uses outside of this, but it was. 

Right, yes, like share sharing files. 

But it was focusing, yeah. Like you trying to share a photo of yourself with someone else or something, maybe. 

Yeah, some photos documents, you know, whatever. 

Documents PDF. 

Sharing. 

Just not the matrix Shrek or gladiator or. 

The PowerPoint presentation. That you made that you that you're very proud of sharing that. 

Hmm. And you know, too, like the new. Like, there's a Tom Cruise movie coming out soon, too. So they gotta sort this out. So Tom's movie doesn't get pirated? No. 

With your dad. Oh yes, you know, I said to my girls. So instead of focusing on the technology, it focused on the intent and behaviour of the companies and said the one who distributes the device with the object of promoting it, to use infringe copyright is liable for the resulting acts of infringement. So you're advertising that, that's what you can do. Then you're responsible for the behaviour of the people that are doing the doing. 

Yeah. Absolutely. It's like, yeah, it's like, hey, you like that? It's like, have you ever wanted to buy or rent a videotape that wasn't quite right? Chances are you had the urge to view up inferior pirated coffee. Well, have we got something over here at Grokster for you? Cause now you can do it all online. Speaking of. 

Something not quite right. 

Hmm. 

Thinking back to downloading and obviously, besides, besides, besides the Magic Stick debacle back in like 2001. 

Ohh, so we're gonna have a go at me then. Ohh yeah well. Yeah. What did you? Yeah, what did you? Up within cinematics. 

It started out as magic sick and then went into something else and then it cut. 

Yes, yes and God knows you. 

Off before the end, it's really annoying. 

And you putting magic into an illegal download site. God knows what you're gonna end up with. 

So it goes down like 2 days, three days. It was a gamble, and more often than not you would get something unexpected, horrifying, or just plain weird. There was a very there was a very famous one in the early 2000s through Grokster, Shrek 2, but do you remember this one? It was Shrek wasn't saving for you. Do you remember? Do you? 

Hmm. 

Yeah. 

No. Ohh. Remember this? No. I don't. 

This was very famous. It was called Shrek. Underscore 2, underscore 2004, underscore DVD underscore Screener Dot Avi totally legit. And so when you opened it. 

Was. 

Great. Cool. How many people just wrote that down? I. Wonder. Yeah. 

Shrek was not saving Fiona, really. Other things with Fiona? 

Ohh now having a. Bit of a romp in the swamp, were they? 

Yes, basically. 

Right, say no more. 

You thought you were downloading the matrix reloaded and it would open up and. 

Ohh. 

You get Rick. Rolled so this is this was first sort of. 

Ohh, that's clever. One of the first Rick rolls. 

Rick rolling. Yep. And sometimes there's a watermark that said Lol as you're being Rick rolled lol. 

Good on him. 

Wow. 

Nothing much has changed really in that regard. 

Passion of the Christ was circulated, and it was I would actually download this today. It was a 10 minute video of goats screaming over dramatic music. I'd be happy if that's what I ended up with. 

Yeah. Oh, oh. 

Ohh OK. Yeah, well, screaming goats. 

Over passion for Christ. I love screaming goats. Yeah, like the one that wasn't on the Taylor. 

That would. 

Swift song that was good. 

Probably wouldn't be as hard. Definitely not as hard to watch. As perhaps you know the Christ. 

Lots of kids tried. To download finding Nemo on The Lion King. 

Hmm. And they got they would, yes. 

They got what you'd hire behind the saloon doors at the. 

View of the stores. 

Yeah, they got like finding Remo. 

Pirates of the Caribbean was another one where people got very severely trolled black screen and the words buffering. 

For two hours. 

Live video video Pirates of the Caribbean. 

Yeah lol and file names like Harry Potter 5, Cam, Screener HQ, Full real. 100% DVD RIP legit novirus.exe. 

Totally legitimate. 

What could have happened? Expecto virosa so over to some more serious news on the 2nd of July. This is a story that was very close to. Home after this is when terrorism landed on Australian shores. 

The death toll from the two explosions at Coota Beach stands at 187, the Australian consul in Denpasar has confirmed. 7 Australians are among the dead but warns the number is likely to rise. More than 300 people were injured. And the attacks, at least a. Third of them are Australian. 

Daylight revealed the extent of the devastation to the Balinese town of Koota piles of wreckage where the popular Sari nightclub once stood. Many only just made it out before the club collapsed. 

It was one blast. It was explosion at the start and about two seconds later there was another explosion and that's when the building started to collapse. 

Yeah. So that was obviously a news report from 2002 in the wake of the Bali bombing. And on the 2nd of July 2005, Indonesian police arrested 24 individuals suspected of involvement in the 2002 Bali bombings and also the 2003 JW Marriott Hotel bombing in Jakarta. Now these attacks attributed to the al Qaeda jamiah. As the Media Group resulted in the deaths of over 200 people and this included 88 Australians in Bali and 12 individuals in Jakarta, just horrible but really good to see some action being taken. 

Hmm. 

Hmm. The arrests were part of Indonesia's intensified counter terrorism efforts following. Both of these attacks. They used intelligence gathered from previous investigations, including data from mobile phones and communication among the suspects to identify and apprehend them it. Was a significant. Progress in their efforts to dismantle terrorist networks and bring those responsible to justice. 

Well, they had a they had a lot of pressure on them at the time as well. In the wake of the. Things. And then of course, the Marriott Hotel bombing, which is I I think kind of sits in the shadow of that, but definitely from Australia, there was a lot. 

Of pressure there. 

Was, yeah, so they they got there. Was three of them Imam Samudra? You would have remembered that name for the news. Anne. Rosie, I think his full name was Anne. Rosie bin Nora SIM. And. And who'd have bin Abdul Harak? Muchlis so that was it, was Samudra and Rosie and Mukhlas were the three convicted for their roles. They were executed in 2008. I think we we may have mentioned that when we discussed the bombings way back when, but that was on the 9th of November in 2008. The the rest of them. And I don't know that all of the 24 individuals were obviously. Sent to prison, but a lot of them were ranging from 5 to 20 years. They got and and some of them were actually ended up being killed in police raids in in in the following years. 

Of their imprisonment, and then in December 2020, Indonesian counterterrorism police arrest Rs. Simono, who was a key figure in Jamaa Islamiya. He'd been on the run. Since 2003 and was believed to have played a significant role in orchestrating both of the attacks. 

Yeah. So good to see a little bit of progress there. I think a lot of people. That were still very much affected by the at the time, like three years after the fact, they're still recovering. They would still been recovering from their injuries and whatnot, would have received some pretty good news on that day knowing that some people were being brought to justice and the action was being taken. Now let's go over to something a little bit. Let me take you to regional Vic. 

Ohh please do. 

Regional Victoria to to the area of Wangaratta, the district around Wangaratta. Well, I I have that on good authority. Let me take you to the sport. 

Ah, love the Wang. 

Of Glenn Rowan. 

Ah, yes, yes. No. Well. 

The the the little. Place outside of Wangaratta where Ned Kelly was at some stage I think he died there. He got shot, he had a bit of a standoff with the coppers and stuff anyway and and thus 1000 bumper stickers were born. 

Doing things did some things then. 

But yes, that's where the that's the birth place of bumper stickers. No, it's so obviously everyone knows Ned Kelly in the history and that's Glenn Rowan is where he met his demise. He's a Bush. Ohh yeah. OK. He's like Australia's. 

Is a Bush Ranger for our America. Our American friends might not know this, and our friend from Hess in Germany would definitely not be. 

Ohh yes, he's like Australia's Billy the Kid. 

Familiar with them? 

It's not stranger. 

And I don't know if they had Bush Rangers in Germany. 

No, I don't think so. No, no, no. 

No, it should be. It's the child. I don't know. Like. Yeah. So. So anyway, Glenn Rowland in Victoria on the 2nd of July, 2005. Was officially added to Australia's National Heritage list. Yes, yes. 

It's a precinct that Glenn Rowan heritage precincts. 

Yes, it's little precincts in Victoria. Yes. So it's the it's. It's not just the town. It goes around the town as well, does it not? 

And it encompasses. Yes, it's a precinct that that covers off key locations tied to the dramatic events of June 1880 when the the Kelly gang engaged in a siege. So this is what happened against police forces. So there were some notable sites within the precinct, including the original railway platform where the police train arrived during the siege. 

Yes. Welcome to glenrowan. 

First stop the Kelly gang. Yes, the sight of Anne Jones's Glenrowan Inn, where the gang held hostages. And it was later burnt down by the police and also the Kelly log. They preserved the Kelly log, which was the location where. 

That would have been devastating having a small. Pub. And then. 

Ohh, this Kelly log. 

And Kelly was finally captured after being wounded. Different blog, different log. Cause you gotta get a fright when the police are. 

Ohh, OK, good. OK, I thought, you know, cause sometimes I'm. Sometimes after they when they after they. 

Shooting at you, yeah. 

You thought that's. You see. 

The sights on for tangible connection to a pivotal moment in Australian history, writing insights. Events that have shaped a national identity. 

Let's let's hear from Dave at the visit Wangaratta YouTube channel once more. 

Good. 

Hey everybody, Dave here and welcome to the next episode of Discover Wangaratta. Today we're in Glen Rowan and we're here to discover and explore the rich history this area has to offer. 

Hey, guys. 

Our first stop is a Ned Kelly Discovery hub, the perfect place to begin your journey. When Ron here, you'll uncover the story of the Kelly gang and the events that shape this historic town. After exploring inside, head upstairs to the platform for stunning 360° views of the surrounding landscape. It's a great way to imagine where net once stood and plan your next stop in town. For me, that next stop is the iconic Kelly land. 

Ohh. 

Where Ned once stood, the stunning views. 

You could go over to the YouTube to visit Wangaratta YouTube channel and find out what Kelly Land was actually like. 

Was informative. 

I am. 

Kelly Lander screams amusement park Kelly leams. 

It well I I I think it does. I I don't think. It's I imagine. If it was like a really tacky amusement park and had like rides and. 

Ohh yeah, stuff that would be good. 

You know, like some. Kind of nede nede's crazy roller coaster, you know. 

Hmm. Yeah, yeah, I can see it now. Honey rides. 

Can you can you cosplay? You know, people walking around in just metal armour? 

Circle wax. It'd be circle work. 

It'd be Kelly. Well, the, you, you, you, you have a bumper sticker competition. You'd have to spin around in a little synchronised circle work thing and then show off their Ned Kelly. Such as life bumper stickers. 

I love that it has a discovery hub as well, which has immersive exhibits. 

Or is that a discovery help cap mill? 

And the displays that delve into the complexity of the Kelly song is. Very complex and. 

It was complex. It was. I think we're downplaying. I think the people of Glenrowan would be very upset with this little piece that we're doing. 

I think we've reflected. I think we've said this before. No, look, it's great. We've said this before too. It's just funny how everyone in Australia is related to Ned Kelly. Yeah. You ask anyone, anyone. 

Yes. Yeah. 

On the street. 

Yeah, it's, it's my second, third cousin once. 

No, they're in heathers. Yeah. 

Moved brother, sisters, friend. 

Well, my dad said, well, we're not related. We're related to the police that captured well, not the ones that captured him. I think it's like my great, great, great, great, great grandfather was a policeman who was friends with the with the Kelly family, his friends with Ned's mum. So he didn't want to capture him. He. 

Yeah. 

Was friends with them. 

This is you're going into a lot of detail here you seem. 

Apparently. 

That's what I mean. We're all really. 

To know a lot, yeah. 

Headed to Ned Kelly or the police? 

Were somehow a little connected. 

Right. Yeah, apparently I apparently I am too according to, but I don't even know so. 

Yeah. 

You know, you did like a DNA test and you were like 13. 

Yes. And if if that's the case because we're married, like, is that legal? It's this league. I'm not sure. Like if somebody gonna come after us, I better start welding myself a metal suits. And so I can fend them off when they come to. 

Percent Ned Kelly. 

Ohh dear, I don't know. I don't know. 

Kick our door in because it's like you're in a you're in an illegal relationship because you're related to Ned Kelly. 

Both of you. 

Which explains a lot actually about the people that put all the bumper stickers and the get the tattoos. 

This is the thing. It's turned into a movement just in terms of merchandise. 

And then Kelly movement. Yeah, there, you know, there was that. Stat that I told you about ages ago in an episode previous. Ohh by the way, 200 episodes. I forgot to mention that at the start of the show 200 episodes just maybe thinking about it, if you cast your mind but happy 200 episodes to us, we'll talk about it. 

Ohh, such is life. 

OK. 

This show but yeah, if you cast your mind back to, I don't know, some episode that we did ages ago, there was an article that I. 

Brought forth Ohh about if you had a such as life tattoo you're gonna chances of dying were higher. 

Like. Like 25% higher? Yeah, something like that. Your chances of meeting a very untimely death were significantly higher. 

Dying of misadventure. Tom misadventure. 

On. Kelly log. Yeah. 

Well, it has. It has actually. 

Yes. 

Brought out a whole range of merchandise. You know you're in regional Australia when Ned Kelly's protecting your he's on your mailbox. 

Of course it has. 

Well, I mean. 

Whole local economy, the local economy of Glenn Rowan depends on it, really. 

Keeping your tools safe. 

You've got a Ned Kelly. 

Toolbox. Yeah. The such is life is obviously the bumper sticker that you see on the back of the car. 

Yeah. 

Bars, bumper bars Ute tool boxes tattooed on someones car. There's a whole range though. There's a whole set. There's the I drive like a Kelly outlaw style. 

Yes. 

Ohh right. Gotcha. 

Yeah, yeah. 

Ohh really? 

That's often seen on nuts that like circle work. 

Yeah, well, yeah, you might as well just say pull me. 

Over Bush Ranger built Kelly Tough, which is a parody of the Ford built tough slogan. 

Right. 

Often often on a Ford Ranger and and sometimes paired with an image of his armour, you can see his armour incorporated into the stickers. 

Hmm. 

Didn't end up being well. I mean, it was tough to a degree. 

Ned was frames live like a Kelly, die like a legend. These are the bumper stickers this car is. 

Ohh really? Yeah. Let's see. Next lesson's not gonna last very long. I definitely don't want that person driving behind me. Anyone's got a bumper. I wanna be reading that bumper sticker as they're going well past me and far off into the. 

This car is. 

Distance. 

This car is protected by Ned Kelly's securities. 

Well, see, now I don't. I don't know. 

Lots of deckles of the helmet, the bucket helmets, metal cutouts of need for mailbox toppers or on fences. 

Ohh yeah. 

They do look good on the old mailbox or on the fence. They're they're corrugated iron. Ned Kelly cut out. Yep. Like the pro. That pro heart style. Ned Kelly. 

Silly. Stubby holders. Yeah. And then tattoo, tattoo, flash sheets. I think, too. He's he really influenced the the hipster movement of about 5 or 6 years ago. The beard? No, the beards. 

Yep. 

Are the Philly moustaches the beads? The Bush range of the? 

The beards are very good stranger. 

It's yeah. 

And they've moved into the mainstream. You see a lot of bushranger beards these days. Hmm. Feel like that was influenced by Ned. 

You do. You do see a lot of. He I think Ned had a had a hand in that. Absolutely the Bush Ranger beard. And I think like you said, I think he had a hand in lots and lots of garden. 

Hmm. 

Ornaments as well they were. 

There's one, there's one down near the. 

There. 

Lake. 

Yeah. 

Do you have you seen that one? 

A little Ned Kelly garden ornament is is it? What is it? Is it like a wind chime or has? 

Yeah. Have you seen that one? 

You know where the rocks of the world are. 

It. Got a yeah. Ohh yeah, no, it's just staked in the ground. 

Across the road. 

From there, yeah, it's just a I think it's ohh. I think it might be a scarecrow cause it's near some planter boxes that they grow zucchinis and pumpkin on the side of the footpath. It's not even in there. 

Really. 

The yard. But there's Ned Kelly watching over them. 

So it's two things. It's a garden ornament and it's protected by Ned Kelly. Security stand corrected. I mean, that suit of armour was pretty innovative. 

Hmm. 

It could. I mean, that would have been in the tech segment in the 1800s. Wouldn't it you? 

Absolutely. 

Know over to tech now and look at this wonderful suit of armour. The prototype by young Ned Kelly unfortunately met his buys thanks to the bobbies. Onwards and upwards. 

In the Glenrowan podcast, yeah. 

Yes, welcome to sunny Glen Rowan. We're going to go to Kelly land and ride the wild, Ned. Tech. Sorry, technology. Yes, yes. 

We have some. 

Tech news on the 28th of January 2005, iTunes 4.9 is released, which marks a pivotal moment in digital media. Because this is when we integrated podcasting direct into the Apple platform. Very exciting. 

That's right. 

Over to you, Steve Jobs. 

And we recently announced something new for iTunes and iPod, and it's called podcasting. As you know, the podcasting phenomenon is exploding right now. And podcasting, of course, is a concatenation of iPod and broadcasting. And what is podcasting? It's been described a lot of different ways. One way has been TiVo for radio. You can download radio shows and listen to them on your computer or put them on your iPod anytime you want. So it's just like television programmes on TiVo. And that's true. Another way it's been described is Wayne's World. The radio, which means that anyone without much capital investment can make a podcast, put it on a server and get a worldwide audience for their radio show. And that's true too. We see it as the hottest thing going in radio hotter than anything else in radio. And as you know, what podcasting is. Is that you can not only download radio shows and listen to them. You can subscribe to them so that every time there's a new episode it automatically gets downloaded to your computer. You can listen to it there or it automatically gets synced to your iPod the next time you dock your iPod. So it's very, very excited. Fighting and there are over 8000 podcasts now, and this is growing really, really fast. 

8000 podcasts. Wow, we really left our run too late, didn't we? OK, that's, let's face it, you know. 

The Wayne's what? What is it? The Wayne's World of Radio? Yeah. 

The Wayne's World? Yeah. Party time. Excellent. Sponsored by. Welcome to T -. 20 sponsored by Noah's arcades. 

I love that T bones team remember TiVo? 

Party time. Excellent. Yeah, TiVo. Yeah. 

Remember when you. 

Were in that senior citizens Film group, they made the movie that you were in and we went to. 

Hmm. 

Yes. Ohh they had a TiVo. 

Their house for. The screening and. 

They had a tea bath. Oh, gosh, they're rich. No, only rich people I had seen that. No, you. 

Yes. 

We didn't have a TiVo. Yeah, they've seen citizen, so they didn't know how. 

To use it. No, yeah, I didn't. I think you tuned it in for them. I think you did something. Yeah, that was nice. Remembering when tivos, we were talking about podcasts, talking about podcasts now. So he said there was 8000, I think, to start with there was 3000 free podcasts from prominent. 

Yeah, I think I fixed. I fixed their TiVo for them. Yeah. Hmm. Yeah. Spect your elders. Yes. 

Sources like ABC News, BBC ESPN, NPR. As well as some independent creators and big features jobs he mentioned the new episodes being downloaded and synced automatically. Listen many times ready to go. 

Yeah. Great. That's awesome. It's very good functionality there and look it's is it the is it the first nail in the coffin for radio? I don't know. 

Yeah. 

Podcasting was around. This is the first time that they kind of brought it into a platform. I think you could just go and sort of seek it out and play it through your your Windows Media Player or download something off that. 

For aggregated easy to find. Sure. 

Illegal place, but this was the first time it was kind of integrated into stuff. And they enhance the functionality of the iPod. So because as you heard, it's podcast and was it iPod and broadcast. So you could listen to it through your iPod and they added features including bookmarking within episodes and displaying the artwork. 

Yes. Yeah. Which is, you know, all nice, really nice stuff. And you know, if you've got good artwork and you've got good quality podcasts way back then, you could have been probably quite successful. And there's a lot of early adopters these days that that are billionaires, you know. 

Umm, within just two days of release there were subscriptions to over 1,000,000 podcasts. 

Right. 

And obviously brought a crucial role in bringing the medium to a mainstream audience by simplifying the access to listeners, but also giving content creators a new way to reach more people with their niche topics. 

Yes, and and that's the thing, isn't it? Those niche niche topics that you get like there, there's a guy from Canberra who used to run the riot act that I think he does a podcast. About World War 2 Army tanks and it's wildly successful, wildly successful, far more successful than this little podcast. 

Wow. 

And I'm like, well, how do you do it? And I'm and when I, the more I think about it, I think. It's. Because it it's just so neat, and it's obviously very well put together and they have really good conversations and it's well researched because if you do do something that. 

Hmm. 

Niche, right? The community that follows that niche are ********, so you have to know your stuff. 

Yes. Yes. 

Ohh yeah, you get facts checked all the time. I'm glad we don't cause. 

You know? Ohh. Massively. Yeah, wrong. Well, we're just sitting here talking rubbish masters. Well, we don't make it up. That's not true. We make our stuff around some of the things. 

Most of the stuff we say is. 

Let's make it up. 

Something something. The tape, I think was true, though. People with the TiVo that you fixed that was definitely true to. 

Yes. 

Hmm. 

Not make that up. 

And the news is true. I don't know about the Billboard charts. I don't know if they're true. Cheryl. No. It's all the simulation. Let's face it. Do you think, do you think that at some stage? 

Not but. 

Radio will die like I I just think like I think podcasts has has had a massive impact on that business and that business has tried to recover from that impact by doing things like going OK, we'll we'll turn all of our stuff into podcasts and make it available online. And then they'll then they also go and we'll stand up these podcast. Wards so that we can kind of own, we can create this facade that we own that I think. 

I think the thing that kept radio. Going for so long. Was the fact that you listened to it in your car? I think that that was. 

And yes. 

And that's why the breakfast. 

And also local content. Obviously, in news news, whether it's altogether sport as well, yes. 

Local but local. Local during the drive to work and the drive home. So that's why breakfast and drive are life. The flagship programmes. You have a top rating breakfast show the theories people keep listening during the day, but that was back in the day where you'd listen in your car and then you'd go to work and you have the radio and it work in the background. 

Yes. 

Yes. Yep. 

But now, because you have access to headphones and you can plug into your computer and all of that kind of stuff, people, if they wanna listen to music, they can listen to their own thing anyway. It's and. And I think there was also. You obviously have the APRA stuff going on where you can't just play the radio station in the gym because there's all. 

Yeah. 

No. Yeah. So they they have to pay for that, yes. 

The licencing associated with that. Well, and I think now that you're seeing your, your phone and satellite radio and things like that being integrated into cars, I think that is what's kind of gonna be the death of radio eventually once that stuff becomes a bit better. 

Yeah. I like. 

Integrated and the other thing is you can't just take a radio show and go. I'm just gonna plop it out there on a podcast platform because podcasting's on demand, whereas radio is about what's happening in the moment. So as soon as you put as soon as you put that breakfast radio show on to a podcast, it's immediately out of date. And when you look at the news cycles that we have. 

Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

Added to the minute now, that's not helping either, because you've gotta be on to things before everyone else and that's just not possible. 

Yeah. 

So. So he's a figure, right? Here's the thing I like. I OK straight up. I like. I love the listeners, but I used to hate all the scabs, so I hated driving the Black Thunder, right. I would love to drive the Black Thunder for a podcast. 

You know where you are. 

There was an. Point that I think it was Mayor Friedman made the other day. She said that she much prefers podcasting to doing, say, live TV appearances or radio appearances because people don't hate. Listen to a podcast People hate, watch TV. People hate. Listen to radio and complain and ***** and moan. But you're not gonna. 

Nice. Yeah, but I'm not gonna sit there. Yeah. 

Actively go and seek out a podcast and listen to it and then complain about it. You might give it a review without listening, but you're not gonna go and hate. Listen. 

With someone you can't stand? Yeah. 

Yeah. 

Then and then crap on it, because you're just like. Couldn't be bothered. 

I ain't got time for. 

That, yeah, downside is we don't get any listener cake anymore. 

Now. Well, you don't wanna get listener cake from people that. 

No, I don't hate listening. No. Ohh gosh. 

I. To. You know, we do get some listener cake. 

Some. Ohh actually we've had listener brownies, haven't we? 

Yeah. And that and that's the only time I've broken that rule. Yeah. 

Me too. Well. 

It was a nice listener. 

Yeah, I I trust. Her. 

Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. So let's. 

Do a comparison. So we said there were 3000 free podcasts, and I think jobs. He said something about 8000, he said. 

OK. Yeah. Ohh yeah, sorry. 6006 eight thousand that's right 8000, yes. 

As of June this year, Apple Podcasts, and so this is just Apple. Hosts approximately 2.8 million podcasts with over 107 million episodes. 

Wow, that's a lot of podcasts. 

It is. How do you? I mean, how do you get cut through for that? Like it's it's it's such a huge pond and it's I think it sucked a lot of water out of radios pond as well. 

Yes. 

Yeah, yeah, definitely. And you see people that are no longer in the radio industry for whatever reason and they can now go and start their podcasts. 

Yeah. 

And kind of do it on. Their own terms as well. 

I'm sorry, I have no idea what you're talking. About. Yeah, I get you. There are others as well. It's a safe space. It's a nice space. To go and it's it's. 

Doing it and doing it on. Own terms, because then all of a sudden you're not restricted to a 2 minute talk, right? You don't have to mention the sponsors you. 

It's wonderful. 

Can say what you like about. About brands and things like that. If it's your own opinion and. 

There's a purity to it. It goes back to it reminds me of when I used to be. On community radio. 

Hmm. 

Like I love that, except obviously I'm a bit more. I know more stuff and I like to think that, you know, I wasn't as undisciplined as what I was when I was a teenager on Community radio, but that's it's it's just got that vibe, that freedom. 

You're not playing a role too often when. You're in radio. You actually have a pretty clearly. Defined role carved out for you. 

Yeah, it's like you're the alpha male and you're the anchor, and then you're the opposing female, and you've got to do this whole battle of the sexes type thing and manufacture some kind of chemistry. 

Nice and shade. 

Jade man. 

Ohh. 

Seriously, can I just react like a normal human being to stuff and occasionally agree with my co-host instead of arguing with them? No, I can't do that, Ken. On a podcast. Thanks very much. 

Yeah. Jobs easy. 

Good on your jobs? Easy. Of course there is the whole issue. Of. Getting paid. You do podcast for free and The thing is is, I mean, it's it. In some ways. I don't think it's lost its value because I think that there are things that are far more valuable than money that you get out of doing things like this and also hopefully from. 

That's a good point. 

Listening to things like this, you know. But yeah, it it's it. It does feel weird. I think being an ex radio person doing something that I used to get paid for, for nothing. Cause people I say like if you if you love something. Never what is? It, or if you're good at something, never give it away for free. 

Ohh really well. 

I don't know that I'm good at this, I guess so you might as well take it. 

Over on the Australian charts for the week of the 26th of June 2005, Mariah is #1. 

Who's gonna? 

Nobody. 

Ohh there's it's there's so much precision in the layering of the vocals on that track. It's it's really rich. It's like caramel ice cream. 

Watching that video again with Mariah, where the backup singer was being a little bit too. 

Ohh Mariah got a bit snarky with it. Didn't she weave it into the? 

Yeah. What is she? She's saying something like please don't sing over the top of me or don't sing my lines or something. It was great. It's very passage in song. I love maroon. 

Song, didn't she? The the in. So if I I think you if Mariah sings an instruction to you. Ohh gosh she is legit. 

Pistol. Yeah, you're fired. Let's. 

Like you know, that's that's, that's not a good. That's not a good day for you, no. 

Go over to the UK charts, new number one ghetto gospel. 

It ain't about black or white cause. Human off we see the light before us rolling. Ghetto gospel. 

Me. 

What a great song, what a great collaboration. 

Hmm. 

There's 2 Park, 2 park posthumously. 

Tupac. 

Yes, that obviously teaming up with Sir Elton John. It samples eltons Indian sunset song from 1971. Specifically, the chorus used with permission, but I don't think Elton recorded new vocals. I think they just lifted the original. Yeah, geez, which is what rap. 

Sample of the original. 

Did a lot. 

Of. 

Back then, still does to a certain sense. 

Of course, of course. I think it's, it's it, it it works. They go so well. 

Together. Umm, it's a nice combo, isn't it? 

Hmm. 

And this this is. 

If. 

I think the beginning of, I mean we've seen this happen before with like Dido and Eminem. And I mean this is all this, it's got Doctor Dre stank all over it. Like we started that. 

All but the I may know the death row artist did that the 90s as well. Like, I shot the sheriff. And what's love got to do with it? It's been happening for a long time. 

With vocalists and stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's right. Right. Alright, I'll love. Yeah. 

But this is big. These are this is. 

Back into my corner and listen to my heavy metal and. 

It's quite a big mix up and you wouldn't expect wouldn't expect Elton to team up with Tupac, but apparently, according to Elton. 

Draw my pentagram on the floor and. Light some candles. Try and summon the devil. Oh yes. Alright. 

Park had contacted him years before when he was still alive. And wanted to collaborate, yeah. 

That's what it's like. 

Always morning. Park Tupac he wanted to collab with Elton and then finally did, but he's dead. 

Really. So Tupac contacted Elton, not the other way around, was like. 

He wanted. Well, look, this is, according to Elton. Well, it's handy now for Elton cause Tupac's dead and can't, like validate the story. But according to Elton, he did. He wanted to, to collaborate and was produced by Eminem. 

Hmm. 

Was it what a Holy Trinity that is? 

Well, that's right. Because remember, we were saying that, didn't they put this out as an album of of some description from Tupac, but M&M and and M&M produced the whole album, right? Yes. Yeah. 

Yes, yes, loyal to the game, loyal to the game, yes. Yeah. Cause there was some stuff where they recreated vocals that people didn't like. 

Hmm. Ohh that's right. Yes. Do you use name checking people that he didn't even know? Yes, Obie Trice wasn't it? Was it? 

We talked about that one, yeah. That's right. Obie Trice? Yes. You'll name no gimmicks. 

Like. 

Yeah. So it's about struggle. 

See, I'm trying to win some credit back here. 

Struggled in the black community. The hypocrisy of society and religion, his desire for peace over violence, calling out false prophets and systemic oppression, he wrote this one when he was in his very early 20s. So when you think about that? It's it's he's quite the quite the poet. I like the 20s. 

Early this is the Tupac that I kind of like when he's doing. Stuff like this cause a lot of his ******** stuff is just filthy. But this stuff is is is quite thoughtful. 

Well, the one that had the line in it, it ain't about black or white because we're human. I hope we see the. Light before it's ruined still. 

Yes, which is. 

True today. 

I think that's what I put in the grab too. How good is that? Yeah. Yeah. So there you go. I did something good. And I, of course it was. 

Hmm. Nice. 

Deliberate ghetto gospel. 

Yes, #1 UK, let's go to. The US word. 

Really needs a little bit. Not a lot, baby girl. Just a little bit. We can head to the crib in a little bit. I can show you how I live in a little bit. 

With my heart. 

No holiday girl ain't no holiday. 

There ain't nobody there. Baby, baby. 

Take me to the place. 

What's going on? Sorry, but we've been saying for weeks that Mariah has this huge run across the top of the charts and I. Think there's like. 

Oh. 

She still should have like about 11 weeks to go at #1, but this there's this little speed bump. 

Done, done and told you we'd make things up. No, I think I think we took the 14 weeks as consecutive, but it was a yeah, it was cumulative not not consecutive. So we got a bit caught up in the in the naming, yes. So she dropped back to #2, but she does go back. 

It's speed bump in the road. Accumulative time, it's accumulative total. So as you dip down in the charts a little bit here, Mariah. 

Yeah. 

Everyone has an off week from time to time. 

Well, carries just one idol, so you've gotta let the idol go to number one, yeah. 

Ohh that's what it is. It's the TV thing. Well, that that's I think this is very telling. This sort of talks about the influence that. You know, TV's having on a lot of media is starting to crossover, and while it hasn't happened yet or it has a little bit with my space and some of the music and some of the musicians have started to become famous, we're going to see even more of a melding together of all of this stuff. 

Hmm. 

Hmm. 

Yes, absolutely. So number one is we'll we'll do a recap. Actually we'll start with #5 just a. Little bit $0.50. On his socials today was wearing white to in. 

Ohh yes, so at the time of recording at. 

Honour of a in honour of a. Very famous court case. It's Curry at the. 

Yes, yes. And there was somebody else who was wearing white to the well. Kanye showed up, didn't he? All dressed in white, 50, went out sick. 

Moment that we just say. He did, yes. So he wants to smell on his soap. 

Very funny, man. He's a very funny. 

Man ohh he. 

Is. 

Don't funk with my heart, #4. Holler back on #3. We belong together. #2 and #1 brand new number one inside your heaven by Carrie Underwood. 

Yes, cherry. 

Power balance. 

I want to be inside your heaven. Take me to the place you cry from where the storm blows you away. What the bloody hell is she on about? 

It's very confusing. 

I have it in her defence. They're like, can you hear? Are the words go sing it. Yes. Do you want this contract? 

Well, the idol idol wrote. 

The song she didn't, yes. Them. 

Or not. First country artist to debut at #1 on the Hot 100 and the only solo country artist to reach that position during the 2000s. 

No, I know, Carrie. I know it doesn't make sense, but do you want the contract or not 123 go. That's right. Sing for your supper. 

Also top the Canadian singles charts, maintaining the number one spot for seven consecutive weeks, making it the longest running number one single in Canada in 2005. 

Good. Really. What about Mariah? 

Yeah, we'll come. We'll we'll come back. We'll come back next week. Maria, don't worry about it. We won't be inside of heaven for too long. I hope you'll have us back after we've been inside of heaven, though. That's a. 

She will. She will next week. 

What is that about? Music very strange lyric inside your heaven. 

Yes. It is. Where you teach? Come from. 

Yeah. 

Music News 2nd of July the Live 8 concerts. Remember those massive global music events to pressure world leaders to make poverty history, particularly in Africa. 

Uh-huh. Yeah. I think everyone was indeed and enamoured by the idea of this star studded concert series Live 8. Of course, who wouldn't be excited about the great movement? But I would argue that there's a little bit of fatigue. 

And a big movement like right across the. World. 

From recent disasters. So it's so funny because I think the turn of the century was September 11. It's just like all of a sudden, we're just moving into this thing where disasters are a part of everyday life. And as a consequence, poverty and some of these more long term things, long term suffering doesn't get the attention it deserves. So I appreciate. 

Ohh yeah. 

Hmm. 

Hmm. 

The intent of live 8, which was happening back here, but I'm wondering if people were getting a little bit of fatigue from that because we've got like we have wave aids just cause of the tsunami and we're all subject to those images. So these all of the. 

So we just had wave. Age. 

Yeah. 

Sudden these images in the media and popular culture are starting to compete with each. 

Other and you? Well, where do I? Give my money. 

Where do I give my money? My attention? To what cause do I use to make myself look wonderful in front of my friends? Yeah. And if and if I'm a musician, well, you know, they want us to do. 

What do I donate? 

What course do I post on my social medias? Make my profile photo? 

My bad. It's like. Ohh for sake we just did wave aid. Now they want us to do like that. What's do we help? The tsunami people. Now, we're gonna make poverty history, do we? 

Do they get paid? They probably don't get paid for it, do they? 

I don't know. Maybe there's a hey sometimes with these things. And I'm not saying it was with this cause I don't really know. I didn't do. I didn't research that. You can do that independently if you like. If you want to concoct a conspiracy theory, you can. But sometimes there's obviously, like, base costs that they need to recoup before they hit the profit. So they might go. OK. 

Hmm. 

Like we'll come over there and you'll have to pay all of our expenses, but we'll we'll and we'll we'll donate like maybe. 

You have to fly. 

Hmm. 

The 50% or 100% of the ticket sales from the concert to it or you know after expenses, 100% of ticket sales after expenses depends you know they're like they're it's it's a bit grey, it's a bit like these things cost a lot of money to put on and promote and televise. They're big productions and there's lots of big names there. 

Lots of big names. But this one, this one actually did not have a donation appeal attached to it. It was about raising awareness with money. 

Really. 

Is that all it was? So everyone gets paid. Somebody's getting paid. 

Raising awareness. It was time to coincide. 

It must have been sponsored TV advertising. Was it on TV? 

I think it was. It wasn't a bono, wasn't a bonos. Thing he had something to do with it? Sure. 

I was a bono scene. Ohh, really? 

He did. I'm. 

Sure it did. Another little tax dodge. 

For bottom, it was time to coincide with the G8 summit in Scotland and put pressure on the world's wealthiest nations to help cancel debt, increase aid reform, trade rules. 

Right. 

Hmm. Yeah, organised by Bob Geldof. 

And bono. Yeah. Yeah, very yeah. 

Oh, well, there you go. Well, yeah. Bob Geldof knows what he's doing. Yeah, like Bono wants to. Yeah, like date. Yeah. Yes. 

Yeah, well, he did the, didn't he do the OG? He did the original one. Yeah. You know, he knows how to do it. He's already got his events management. 

Absolutely. So bring it on. How many locations do you want, mate? Yeah. Yeah, because remember live made was different sites are I, I think around America. Was it like West Coast, East Coast or something? 

Plan together that he could dust off from from the 80s. Yeah, he knows what? That he's got his running sheet. 

That's wrong, yes. Like that I can't remember. This one had 10. 

The 80s I was a baby, yes. 

10 concerts which? And they played the IT. 

In. 

Out of it on the 80s, I remember watching that like, every year they'd play it. Yeah. It wasn't like then, always watching it. 

Live Aid. Ohh yeah, you like a replay and simulcast on triple M? Yeah. And you'd be able to listen to the radio and watch TV at the same time. And then I'd. 

Yes, yes. Oh, wow. That was amazing, isn't it? Surround sounds so good. 

Be in perfect. Sync too, which is incredible. It's in perfect sync, and these days you can't even freaking do that with a Bluetooth speaker and a TV. 

10 concerts over 4. 

Yes, that was a boom, by the way. 

Johnson, it was 150 musical acts. 

We'll get to that a bit later. Put a pin in that, yes. 

London, Philadelphia, Paris, Berlin, Rome, Tokyo, Johannesburg, Moscow, Toronto. Cornwall Live Aid, Africa calling and other independent organised events as well. Big names Paul McCartney, U2, Madonna, Coldplay, Elton John, Robbie Williams, The Who, Pink Floyd, Stevie Wonder, Kanye West, Destiny's Child, Bon Jovi, Will Smith, Alicia Keys, Green Day, Christa burger haha, Shakira. Shakira. Craig. David. 

Massive names. The The Pink Floyd one was massive because that was a reunion, really. Pink Floyd first time in 24 years that the classic lineup had performed together the last one before Richard Wright from Pink Floyd died. This is that's a big one. That's a big one. Another big one was Green Day taking on a really ambitious cover. They played in Berlin. 

Jamiroquai. 

Duran Duran, Faith hills. 

And and and they, I think they pulled it off. Yeah, it wasn't too bad. I mean, in hindsight, probably didn't sound as good as what I thought it it did. When I found it, I was like, oh, that's pretty cool. Green Day doing. We are the chair. You would have thought a punk band could perform queen with all the intricacies and the the harmonies and the idiosyncrasies that the Queen have in their music. And yes, probably A5. 

No, no, no, they can't. 

They didn't. 3 billion people watched or listened across TV, radio, online as well. This is probably one of the first big ones online too. Yeah, AOL live streaming. 

MHM. 

Parts of the events which was. 

I think it's it was very, very ambitious, really ambitious and yet not at the same time because it's like. 

Yes. 

You know, it's ambitious in that we're gonna dominate the airwaves for this time, and we're gonna do it in all these different countries. We're gonna have this star studded line up, and we're gonna raise awareness. 

But what does that then look? Like we watched the concert. And then we. Just. 

Yeah. 

About our day, it's not like we're gonna go to the G8 and protest are. 

Yeah. No. 

We gonna write a letter of, like, did what? What's the call to? 

No. 

Action raising awareness. No call, no call to action. 

Yeah, not it wasn't interesting. It didn't hit the same way. Something like Live Aid would. 

That's. I don't understand. 

Well, the leaders did commit to doubling aid. 

Of the G8 leaders. 

To Africa. 

They cancelled debt for 18 countries. 

What? They're just like, so because you've put on this concert, we're gonna do all these things that we hadn't done before. 

Well done, you know. 

We never thought of it, Bob and Bono, thank. You thank you for raising awareness. 

I mean, are they that maybe they are, maybe they are that out of touch. Maybe it was a good thing, maybe I'm completely wrong. 

You've raised our awareness. Universal access to AIDS treatments by 2010 was also a commitment. 

That was an aim that was an. 

Same, yeah. Critics said the outcomes fell short, but it did help mainstream global poverty as a political issue. 

There you go. There you go. 

I've. 

I really like didn't. Didn't that happen in the 80s? I mean, I'm not saying it's about like, you know, there's a concert. I guess I should just shut up and enjoy the. Fact that there's a concert, yes. Stupid old wowser. I I think it's good. I think it's good that we're opening the boom box now because I I feel like in that last segment when we started to talk about live eight, I was just, I was going down a path that I might regret. And I I feel like it was just that the boomer instincts kicking in where I just wanted to complain about stuff. I just wanted to be that wowser that's. 

You were cheating on it. 

Hmm. 

Hmm. Hmm. 

You know the youth of today and what's wrong with them and stuff. And so I think this is a good way to clear the decks. Good way to clear the decks in a really safe space where we open up the boom box where we reach out to you or the the the World Wide Web. We travel along the information superhighway until we stumble across a boom box and a safe space. 

Reset. Hmm. 

Where we can put our booming complaints, where we can say and and express our dissatisfaction with things without the the risk of persecution or somebody turning around and looking at us. I'm going OK, boomer? 

Hmm. 

Exactly. And don't forget you can send us your your booms in written or audio format. Just gonna press the little microphone in the in the little thing in the message thing on the social media thing. You can press the microphone. It's got to be under one minute. 

Written or oral will take both. 

Yeah. 

Figure it out. 

Yes. 

If you need help just ask. Ray, he knows how to. 

Yeah, you should message Ray or you should message us and I could probably send you a little how to. 

Do them now. Sure, you're very good at it. 

Screenshot well, you made a screenshot for Ray. Now he's professional. Now it's professional. So good. Are you ready for a boom career of? 

I did press here in red, yes. Giselle. Absolutely. Ohh Giselle's got a. Boom. Yes, right. 

Not gonna lie when I was younger, I always thought adults were being dramatic when they said if it's not one thing, it's another. But now as an adult, I can confirm without hesitation that if it's not one thing, it's another. Oh, that's me. That's me. When I open up the letterbox and there's mail in there. Like what now? What the? And you get an email? Yeah, he's another. And another one. 

My. If it's not one thing, it's absolutely yeah. Yep, Yep. Every time I send you an SMS. I say that was a real reaction, man. That was too real. 

It's not one thing, it's another. If I don't reply in time, then I'll get another message, or then you react to a message that I sent you 4 weeks ago, or get a couple of little dots appearing like wow. 

Yeah, well, I look at it. Yeah. Well, I'll look at it or like if it's not one thing, I'll send four other messages. I still don't get a ******* reply. 

Hi. 

It's very busy. We're very busy person. If it's not one thing, it's another. I'm doing one thing and another. I'm too busy to answer your messages. 

No, there you go. Safe space, but I've just counted boom to boom and we're all. But all booms are good booms, OK? 

They will just disappear out into the open. 

And you know why? Because if it's not one thing, it's another. Over to the entertainment portion, and there's the movies, not so much going on, really. It's Batman is number one in the USA. It's. Yeah, that was Christian Bale. You know, he had the two charities. Like when I'm when I'm Bruce Wayne, I'm just Bruce Wayne. But. 

Yes. 

When the. 

I'm that man. You gotta talk like this. 

And somehow Christopher Nolan agreed with it. And. 

Then an urban legend was born. 

All the bad for your vocal cord. 

Yeah. It's kind of like it's kind of like Bruce Wayne by day. 

Lois by night, I am the night. 

Said that, that means number one that the US box office Batman Begins. 

Batman Begins starring lower, come on over and Park the burn. The Christian Bale. Let me tell you, he can park his Batmobile in my bag. 

We need some more. We need another John Grisham book. 

Guy very die. 

Number one of the Australian box office is Madagascar. 

Which we've discussed before. So we'll go to the small screen and we had a we had a big reality premiere on the 30th of June 2005 being Bobby Brown. 

Yeah. 

Ohh this ohh my goodness celebrity reality gone wild. This is pretty trashy. This one wasn't. I mean, have you seen the? There's a thing going. 

Back to the Burt Burt Brown. Forgot about this one. 

It's on the it's been on the Tik toks and it's been on the the Insta reels and all of that sort of stuff. And it's Bobby performing at some MTV Awards and he drops a bag of cocaine, a little baggie, a little dime bag of cocaine, falls out on the stage, and he's as he's dancing. He just casually sort of whisks his hand across. The floor and. 

It's very subtle, very subtle, very subtle. 

Scoops it back up and tucks it back into his pants because he's gonna obviously need that later on. 

His pockets weren't deep enough, or he didn't close. 

No. Yes, yes. Well, he's he's he's. He's the artist, not the record label. They would have had deep pockets full of cocaine. And just OK, Bobby, if you. 

Them over properly. 

Yes. 

Go up there and dance. We'll give you this little baggie when you finish dance, we'll give you another one. And then if you do a reality show. 

Yes. 

We'll give you an even bigger baggie of it, too. Yes, an unfiltered front row seat into the personal life of Bobby Brown, and at the time his wife Whitney Houston. 

God rest his soul. 

Followed his day-to-day life, post rehab and his career turbulence. He was trying to, at the time he was trying to reboot his music career, which is why. He agreed to. The. 

Reality show you. 

And this was this was. The thing with the reality show. 

Know for work, for Carrie, Carrie and she went to #1. 

If it works for Ozzy Osbourne, hello. Like if it worked for Ozzy Osbourne, the Osbournes is the template. 

An Australian I American Idol worked for Carrie. 

I think the thing with the thing with the the celebrity ality at this stage is like the osbournes has been out for maybe a year or two, he and as much as like Ozzy Osbourne fans like myself who love him for his music and all that stuff kind of got to see him in that light as a clown. Which really made me sad. You cannot deny that it exposed him to the entire world. It made him a bigger superstar than what he already was amongst people that loved his music. And I think Bobby Brown obviously saw this and went well. Of course. Yes, this is the way to go. 

Reboot my music career and we had Nick and Jess. Yeah, we had the Travis guy. 

And. 

Ohh Travis and his missus. Yeah. Yep. 

Shona Shona Britney and Kevin's chaotics just come out. So why not? Why not? And I've got Whitney. Everyone loves Whitney. Children of the future. 

Every all the cool kids are doing it. Hmm. Well, well, I mean, there's you. You. Know. So much talk about Whitney and Bobby and how toxic they were for each other and whatnot. And I think that there was definitely an appetite for this show. 

Hmm. 

It was very raw. It's very compelling, very meme worthy. And it was actually Whitney who frequently stole the spotlight with her personality. She's very funny. And also the erratic behaviour. 

It's very aggressive. Hmm. 

We gotta live with SARS. We gotta live with now with the anthrax. 

Oh, you just watch too much TV. I'm a true American. I've been to gaol before. That's American. Alright, that's what I. Mean. 

She's. 

So aggressive. 

So good so. 

She true, it's not one thing, it's another. It's not anthrax. It's bloody SARS. She's. 

Yes, yes. So I think she's talking more about the context of that conversation came from a broader conversation about George W Bush and how she was all for George W Bush because. 

She makes a good point. 

Hmm. 

Because he was helping to, you know, fight the good fight against terrorism and anthrax and SARS and all of that sort of stuff. But Bobby was like, well, he put me in gaol. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm like, I I think the fact that you are you were doing drugs might have put you into. Yes. 

The man dressing songs, it's not one thing, it's another. 

OK, right, that's that's good context. I think you put yourself in gaol. We're talking about that was the. 

Car crash that he. 

Had you know? And then he went to gaol. It was his own fault. 

Ohh, that's right. Yeah. He put himself in gaol as well. I mean, this is celebrity gaol too, Bobby. So just back up because you've got a whole bunch of people in America that have got mandatory minimum sentencing for just doing something like smoking a joint or whatever. So you know they go to gaol for a very long time compared to Bobby Brown. 

Yes. 

Dropping his little tax bag on the stage and then scooping it up and getting told by Whitney. 

We gotta live with SARS. We gotta live with now with the anthrax. Oh, you just watch too much TV. I'm a true American. 

I've been to gaol before. That's American. Alright, that's. 

Kiss my. What I mean? 

So good she talked. She there was a lot of Whitney moments. She talked about her post surgery issues in graphic detail. 

Solute seeds, right? Needs. She was the star. She was absolutely the star. 

And they did bicker a lot, but she was also very affectionate. Lots of fans felt it demystified her diva image, but others thought it was a bit exploitative. 

Hmm. 

Well, I I. 

Always saw Whitney Houston as like you said, like. Like is it like a Mariah type character? Well, not Mariah. 

Diva. Yeah, I mean not the right. A diva, but like like. A famous singer like a Céline Dion kind of wholesome. 

On a pedestal. Yeah. Like on a pedestal. Like this icon, you know? 

Incredible voice. We listened to her on the way. To the trout. Farm the I believe the children of the future and the Living Dolls song as well. 

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's right. Like sings like an Angel just has this. These majestic, you know, songs. 

It was in the bodyguard, with Kevin Costner. Royal just went ohh. Why can't I have that? I want that for my life. 

Yeah. 

And then it's like, Oh my God. But when she's not singing. She's a bit of a. Trash bag? Umm. 

Which is not. 

You know, sorry, I don't. I don't. I don't want. I don't wanna. I know there's some people are fans. You can't deny how good Whitney Houston was as a performer and a singer. And all of that. 

I like that she's just like us. 

Oh. 

Incredible. 

Stuff, but just. Yeah. And again, this is people that are into the music and the creative arts when they're not surrounded by the right people and they get LED astray. And I would argue that as much as Whitney and Bobby were in love, maybe not the right people for each. 

Other no, I don't think so, but. A ratings hit. For Bravo, it was right mix for Bravo's highest rated show at the time. 

They're wildly and exciting and I feel. I mean, you know, I. Kinda bad for. Laughing at Whitney Houston when this this came out. 

Well, it was seen here in a different light. And then you then you see what happens to her years later. And I don't think we realised. 

It's not seeing her. It's seeing her in decline. Really. These stamps? Hmm. Hmm. 

I don't think we realised exactly the true extent of what was going on and seeing her like that. It was kind of ohh, she's human. She's like the rest of us, she swears and she's she's quite funny. But then when you look at it through the lens of. Where she ended up and you go. Oh gosh. 

Well, I think I think, I think Whitney herself watched Season 1 and as a result, there was no season 2. That's right. 

Well, she refused. She refused to do season 2 and said it was a low point. And then obviously without her there's no. Show. 

No, nobody gives you about Bobby Brown. Ohh, what are we gonna call it now that Whitney's not in there? Back to the basic brown. 

Don't catch that happy brown. 

Books that we didn't read, I definitely didn't read this one. I'm reading the notes that I'm. 

No. 

Like what is this? 

I'm intrigued. I think I might read. 

This book is called the mermaid chair by Sue Monk Kid. Or is it? Is it like Sue monk kid by the mermaid? 

It. 

Yes. 

Chair. No, it's called the mermaid chair. Mermaid chair. See monkey. I think she she's famous for The Secret Life of bees. Also have not read it, but apparently that was. 

Good. OK, good. I'm glad we've established that. 

A famous book too. 

I sound almost as trashy as W. In Houston, just on books, don't I really? You know, I do like to read. It's just this is definitely a book. I didn't read. No, you did that really well, then it's unnerving. 

Day. 

Kiss my ***. 

You didn't. Can you can you give us a synopsis? Tell us all about monk sex. What? OK. 

OK, so OK, what genre are we? Looking at here. I guess this is as close as I've got. Is that all right? Not are are you talking about? 

Just played on an organ. 

Like when you say monk sex, you're not, like, talking about trying to have sex with an OCD. Detective. 

No, not no. Religion. Religion. Yeah. Yes, in. 

Ohh like so. Like Friar Tuck like yeah. Rome. OK. So you like like wearing hessian robes and maybe drinking for a big cast barrels of wine. Yeah. Yes. Ohh. Let's go out the back for a Friar tuck. 

Right. 

A rope. A rope belts. OK. 

You know what? 

I mean, it's Aussie rhyming slang. OK, let's see. Let's get this right. 

Come on. 

Alright, I can't do that. Sue monk, kids. Phenomenal debut The Secret Life of Bees became a runaway bestseller that is still on the New York Times bestseller list. 

All right. 

More than two years after its paperback publication, all right now in her luminous new novel, Kid has woven A transcendent tale that will thrill her legion. 

Off fans. 

That's a bit ASMR that was, that was really weird. I feel vulnerable. 

Given everyone the. 

Telling the story of Jesse Sullivan a love story between a woman and a monk. A woman and her husband, and ultimately a woman and her own soul and her husband. 

And a monk. 

Kid shouts, a journey of awakening and self discovery, illuminated with a brilliance that only a writer of her ability could conjure. That was that. 

No, you. Yeah, you. 

You've got a shade of green over there. 

Alicia one star. Mostly I found it tedious, forced, unimaginative, and at some points downright ridiculous. 

Is she talking about my voiceover? 

Or the book. 

Both good. 

OK, like when Whit talks about painting the baby's nursery pumpkin because his wife craved pumpkin bread during the pregnancy. Seriously, I craved McDonald's fish sandwiches. Wonder what colour he would have painted for that one. 

Well, it would have been fish sandwich colour but. 

We've clearly, yeah. 

Just it's sort of an off white, probably Amanda, one star. 

A love story? 

Between a monk and a married woman didn't do it for me. 

No, sorry, Amanda. 

Since fair enough. 

Jessica Cole, Henk one star. This book was. 

I'm interested in the surname, the hyphenated surname. Just very. Cole, Hank. Like, obviously back in the if she had done her the family history thing. At what stage did the Cole family and the Hank family just decide? You know what? Let's hyphenate our surnames. Let's become Cole. Henk. Let's bring the two families together. 

Oh, maybe she was calling. She married a. 

Hank and then decided to do it herself. Well, then that would be the point. OK, carry on with the review. That's the point where it happened. Thanks. Yeah. 

Usually what happens? Boring. This book was so boring. Boring. 

Uh, so, but uh, because it's so with all the O's. Yes. OK. 

The romance was even dull and I usually enjoy a good smart. Scene. 

Who doesn't enjoy a good smart scene? 

She probably prefers biker Smuts like Janet Gambino. 

Alright. 

Back a few months ago. 

I'm here to clean the pool. 

OK. Chris. Yeah, Anna. 

Come on. 

Yeah. Ohh christia christia. Anna. Five stars. It was hard for me to accept that the woman is having an affair with the Benedictine monk. I'm a Catholic and was educated in the Benedictine school. I am not usually conservative when it comes to stories and plots, but it's really hard to swallow. What I do is pretend that it was a fisherman and not a monk. 

He makes a great fish sandwich. 

Makes it much easier to swallow if you assume that wit was a fisherman and not a monk, because apparently fishermen far more stable than monks. Take note, monks, you need to lift your game because you're being fast overtook by fishermen. In criteria arnas. 

Oh. 

Eyes. She gave it five stars. She loved it, but she kind of altered the text in order for it to be to achieve 5 stars, she changed the guys role from being a monk to a fisherman. What happened when the character went to a monastery? What do they do? It's a fishing village was like BCF. 

Chris. 

Yes. 

Fishing. Really. 

Did they go to BCF? 

I'm not sure how it works. You'll have to ask Christia armour, Christy Ampersand, hashtag X1F41A5 stars. 

OK. 

Full of artful mermaid. 

Ocean love. Wow. I feel like 50. Yeah, but I mean, what I really wanted to give that five star star and then. But when, like obviously had to register for good reads and they wrote their first name and they're like, I don't really want to identify myself. 

It's made a lot of sense. There's lots of other Christies already. 

Maybe just in the whole process got so frustrated, just headbutted the keyboard and out came ampersand hashtag X1F41A. 

Ohh semicolon semicolon. I've got semicolon. Sorry. 

Semi tolerant. Solid gate. Yeah. Just to tell everyone that it was full of artful Mermaid ocean love. 

Finish in. 

Uh-huh. Is that the same book? It's a monk when the mermaid. 

Yeah, but there's a there's a mermaid chair, so there must have been near an ocean with the chair. With the mermaids. 

Ohh, maybe that's where they. 

Maybe they did on the mermaid chair. I don't know. I haven't read it, but I do want to. 

OK, sure. Alright. It's N and five stars. 

Read it. I'm. Intrigued. 

OK. 

Kid had me rooting for a priest to RIP off his robes and run into the sunset with a married woman. 

Isn't he a monk, monks, different to a priest? 

Christ. Yeah, that's what. What would that? That's that's secularist. I don't know. What is it? Vocational lists. 

Isn't it so? Is that the same thing? 

I don't know. I don't know. That's wrong. 

It's a priest, not a monk, not a. Priest. 

Christine Whittington, five stars. I loved the romance with the extremely willing monk. Yeah. How does one find? 

They all look the same. To me, yeah, sorry, the roves. And. 

One of those. 

Willing. Month. 

I just want to find one of those in brackets from Christine Whittington. She'd like a. 

Really. 

Monk of her own. 

She a monk is in. She doesn't wanna OCD, detective. No. Let's just be clear cause. 

No, she wants the one that's like a. 

Priest, how do you? 

Find one. How does one find one of those? Christine Whittington asks. 

That's pretty easy. Pretty easy. We got a bunch of them around here. Monks, do we? They're like there's there's. 

We lived near some in our. Old house. 

Yeah, they had a temple. And what's not that you could start there, Christine. That's there's a hot tip for you. 

They do a vegetarian food fair every few months. I'm sure they did OK. 

Yeah, maybe. Yeah. Yeah, that's where you go rock up to the vegetarian food fair and you sexiest outfit and you'll land yourself up. 

That's that's how you find one of those. Don't know if they'll be extremely willing, but they are monks, hmm. 

Well, you'll find out pretty quickly. All right. 

Let's just. 

I lived St near some monks in my old house too, and you'd see them out the back, shaving each others heads. You'd ride to the hyperdome. Really. Yeah. They used to do it. Just picked out the back with the razor blades. Shaving each others heads like a big line of. Them just shaving. Yeah. Yeah, it. 

Month maintenance, little assembly line of Manscaping monks. 

Was lovely. It's lovely. It's beautiful thing to witness. 

Was. 

And then, because they wear like the robes that are like sheets, and then they just have them all hanging out on the line to dry. Ohh mine of monk outfits. Yeah. How do you know which ones are yours? I don't know. Maybe you've got your name ironed in the corner. 

Ohh, the same colour. That'll be confusing. How would you know? What's yours? Mm-hmm. So I wouldn't want to be wearing. Yes. And you know well, I guess you probably don't have any danger of finding any straight hairs, but maybe, I don't know, do they are they does the the the does the. 

Not sure. I I don't. I only ever saw head shaving. No, I don't know. I don't know. 

Carpet match. Match the curtains. Ohh, right. Jen gave it five stars. It was so sensual that it actually made me want to immerse myself. 

In warm mud. 

Ohh mad. I just if I'm feeling sensual. 

I'm not thinking of more. 

Mud. I want to immerse something in something, but it's not myself in warm mud. No, I mean. 

Sweet. 

I don't want to. I want to immerse myself in the hatches, matches and dispatches segment, OK, which is what we'll do right now. I don't want to immerse myself in Mel's virtuoso style recorder playing. 

Well, no, that's a premature recorder. Can you put that away, please? Because we've got an engagement to do or we do the answer. 

Really. 

1. 

Oh. 

Sorry I haven't done the clue, so we've got we've. 

Got a match? Yes, we do. Right. An engagement? Yes. On the 29th of June 2005, Tom Cruise proposed to actress Katie Holmes at the Eiffel Tower in Paris. 

Ohh yes, and of course early cause earlier in the year he was couch jumping over. Katie Holmes, wasn't he on the Oprah Winfrey? Show. 

First of all, thanks for coming to my Legends ball with Katie. Was that the best fun was that yes. What has happened to you? 

Yeah. 

Something happened to you. Something happened to you. 

I'm in love. 

Yeah. And that was just the weird this pink weird Tom Cruise. 

And he jumped on the couch, and he was just he was gross. It was gross, wasn't it? Became a big moment of the 2005 jumped on the couch, said he was in love. As you heard there. And. 

But he's proposed to it now. 

Bit of a defining moment and a shift in his public persona. 

Well, it was all over the news when he did the cash jumping. Everyone's like Tom's lost it over. Katie. Ohh, isn't it wonderful? He's in love, I'm thinking. 

I think he was doing promo. For war of the world, I'd be a bit ******. Off if. I was the movie place. Like, can you stop jumping and talking about the girl? Talk about the movie. 

Well, I think it that's. Honestly. Was he not? Was he not just trying to drum up a bit of publicity for it? I think it kind of backfired on that film, to be honest with. 

You. I'm not sure. Well, then we get to we get to June and the they're engaged. She proposes that the Eiffel Tower. And he presents her with A5 carat yellow diamond ring at a candlelit dinner at the renowned Jules Verne restaurant. He described the day as magnificent and expressed his joy over the engagement. 

How romantic. But you know Tom Cruise, you just. Yeah, it's strange cat. Like I I don't wanna hear from or see Tom Cruise in real life I but I don't mind him in the. Movie. 

He's finding them movies. He's stay in the rooms. 

They kind of don't wanna like like I don't. I don't think I'd like him as as a, as a real person, but I don't mind when he pretends to be. 

Then with. 

Somebody. 

Fake person. 

And I think that's that's kind of hard on him as a human being because it's like people only like you, Tom, when you're pretending to be somebody else, you know. And I think Katie Holmes would agree these days with that. 

What? Yeah, possibly. Possibly using someone's hmm. 

I only like him when he's pretending to be somebody else. OK. Now we're back on track. The clue, the clue. A celebrity who passed away, who sang this? 

We are, yes. 

If you said Grammy winning R&B singer Luther Vandross. No, that's not right. That is right. I press the wrong button. I'm doing so well there. That's awkward and weird, and it's terrible anyway, he died so. 

Ah, this is 0. That's OK. Happiest the best of us. 

Age 54, due to complications from a stroke, it was very sad. He was a very celebrated, very influential voice in R&B in soul Music I. 

Disappointing. 

Mean I think he's responsible for a lot of. Babies. 

I think he's responsible for heaps of babies and also I think he's responsible for a very big influence over a lot of the R&B that you would have loved in the late. 

Lots of monk sex, probably. 

90S and early 2000s. I don't know that monks listened to Luther Vandross. I don't think they could have handled it. I think it would have made them want to immerse themselves. 

Maybe just in the mermaid share? 

Too much mud, mud. 

In warm. Yeah. Luther Vandross passed away due to complications from a stroke and he was very, very famous for that smooth, romantic velvety voice. Yes, a massive legacy from Vandross he he he started out singing for people backing up people like a backup singer for David Bowie, Diana Ross. 

MHM. 

Backed up Diana Ross and then he decided that he was going to jump in with never too much. That was his debut. So you would heard there a career that spanned 3 decades, sold over 35,000,000 albums 1/8. 

MHM. 

And he's one. Great. Granny, run lots of grannies, lots of stuff that you're stocking for Christmas. Go and immerse yourself in warm mud after you listening to some Luther Grammys Grammy Awards and then you get all those slow jams. Those hey, do you wanna come up for coffee? And then girls, it's a pretty big red flag. If they put Luther Vandross on and you think you're going up for. 

Grannies loves him. 

Lots of grannies. Yeah. Hmm. 

Coffee. 

Yeah. Anyway, he had a stroke in 2003, never recovered, and then he died in 2005. So, so long, Luther, 54 years old, very young, very young indeed. That makes me worry, actually, when I get to my age because I'm almost, you know, I'm chasing that, I'm chasing that Vandross age. And that freaks me out a little bit. 

It's 54, yeah. 

Makes me boom slightly. That's. That's the end of the show. We're done. Time for us to check out as well. Thank you very much for listening. You can find us on socials if you wanna have a boom or a chat or whatever team on us to any podcast you can participate in. All the fun posts we do. And look at some of the video clips and go. I didn't realise that's what they looked. 

Yes, it's not one thing, it's another. 

Like, I don't think I wanna listen to him anymore. Yeah, and you've ruined it, man. Totally, totally brand. Not it much rather than that's. 

No, I had a completely different picture in my head. I thought it was a fisherman, made me feel better visualising A fisherman and now, yeah, if you fisherman or a monk. 

What you can do? See, men don't like how we look. Just picture us as fishermen or sexy monks. What's happening next? 

Week ohh. Serious notes yeah. 20 years since the London. 

Cummings. Ohh that really. Yeah. Well, of course. Yes, I. 

20s. Yeah, we'll be talking about that. Little Kim goes to gaol. 

Remember that so well. Yeah, I kind of remember that. More well than I should as well. 

Think we crashed into a comet as well? We did it on purpose, going to outer space on purpose. 

Yeah, that was like Armageddon style comet crashing NASA stuff. We'll have all of that. Both stories are more next week on T -. 20. Like I said, find us on the socials if you wanna do that, it's search for T -. 20 Podcast on all those platforms. And just keep on keeping on. Have a great week. We'll see you next week. We appreciate you. Bye. 

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