Harry Potter leaks, lawsuits and late-night line ups

Rewind to 10 July 2005 to 16 July 2005: the week NASA stalled, Potter fans sobbed, Johnny Depp traumatised children and WorldCom made Enron look like amateurs.

🚀 To infinity… or not quite. NASA’s big “return to space” mission hits pause thanks to a dodgy fuel sensor. Ground control to boomers: your tech’s showing its age.

🍫 Wonky Wonka energy.  Charlie and the Chocolate Factory tops the box office, but Depp’s creepy bowl cut and dentist flashbacks leave us craving Gene Wilder. And therapy.

📚 Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince drops.  Midnight queues, spoiler meltdowns and one death that broke the fandom (you know the one).

💼 Fraud cowboy goes down. WorldCom CEO Bernard Ebbers gets 25 years for fudging $11B in numbers. From milkman to mogul to inmate—big Enron vibes.

🎥 Jessica Alba goes invisible, literally. Fantastic Four lands in Aussie cinemas, complete with early CGI, cheesy one-liners and Chris Evans before he was Captain America.

📱 Tiny card, huge impact! The MicroSD card is born, and suddenly your flip phone can store music, blurry party pics and 1.5 minutes of video glory.

💣 Bombers named, nation shaken. UK authorities ID the London bombing suspects—all British-born. A dark, chilling moment that sparked urgent talks on radicalisation and security.

🧑‍🎤 Bow Wow grows up. No more “Lil” — Bow Wow drops Wanted and scores hits with Ciara and Omarion. Smooth, slick and peak 2000s R&B-pop crossover energy.

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Chapters

• 0:00 intro
• 0:21 show opener
• 9:10 news
• 29:50 technology and innovation
• 34:46 music
• 47:58 tv and movies
• 56:59 books we didn't read
• 1:00:34 hatches, matches and dispatches
• 1:08:16 show closer

Transcript

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The year is 2005. Anakin turns to the Dark side, YouTube debuts, and we couch jump for Mariah Mcdreamy and a girl with the Dragon Tattoo t -, 20 rewind 20 years with Joe and Mel. 

T -, 20 minus. 

20 The nice breaker. Don't dress me up. 

This is bananas. 

My question is, who approved that ****? 

Do you see where this is going? 

Not really. 

Welcome to team owners 20, the podcast that hits Rewind on the biggest, weirdest and most unforgettable pop culture moments from exactly precisely 20 years ago. Each week, we dig through the headlines, chart toppers, and all the chaos of the mids 2000s to relive the moments. And had us all shook and confused or clutching our Motorola racers with your host Joe and Mel. Hello, Mel. 

Hello. This week in 2005 and it's nostalgia with the sight of tech fails, billion dollar scandals, creepy chocolate factories, one very awkward bowl haircut. 

We have had to scrub the launch for today. Due to a low level fuel sensor in the external fuel tank. 

Call the elevator. 

Houston, we have another delay. NASA was going to go to space this time 20 years ago, and they had a dodgy fuel sensor that ******** the entire thing up. 

Wouldn't it be something Charlie to open a bar of candy and find a golden? Ticket. But I only get one bar. 

Yeah, nothing's impossible. 

Oh. 

I tell you what I'm I'm fast approaching 50 and I only get one bar a year as well, Charlie, so don't worry about it, mate. Happens to the best of. 

Willy Wonka, Willy Wonka is going full fever dream this week. 20 years ago, Johnny Depp's Pale and Unsettling Wonka arrives, leaving Paris to explain more than just the candy plot. 

It was a bit odd, was. 

To help keep the secret hush hush, the latest installment of the Harry Potter series won't arrive here. Until 11:30 Friday night. The book goes on sale at 12:01. 

Hazer Harry Potter the like. He broke the Internet again, which wasn't hard to do. I think in the early 2000's the Internet was a little bit more fragile than what it is now. The half blood Prince was the Big book released this time 20 years ago, and the book shops went feral because remember they start. This is when all the midnight releases and stuff. Really started to ramp up. Ohh yes Yep, camping overnight. 

We're queued up overnights dressed up. 

It's crazy times. Hmm? Yes. 

For a book, umm. 

You can get it delivered in like half an hour by Amazon. These days, yeah, a little. 

Different look to celebrate the release of the new Harry Potter book. I wanna play a game I love playing. 

There's some. 

Yeah. 

Ohh excellent. Another one of your games. I'm very excited by this. 

Games. Yes, we're gonna. 

To play Harry Potter spell or medical condition. Neither am I, so my pronunciations are probably gonna be. 

This will be. Difficult because I'm not a Potter person. I didn't really come up with Potter. 

A little bit. Iffy, so sorry to all the Harry Potter fans who know. 

I think well. 

The Pronunciate the spells. 

I feel like if he is probably something that would be in a spell. 

Like I don't know. 

I don't, I don't know any Potter spells. I'm not a Potter. This is gonna go really well. Can't wait. OK. 

Yes, alright, here we go. Are you ready? 

Sure. Fire away. Yeah, but I do that later in post production. Just trust me. Just there's there's it's very complicated process, OK. 

We're going to put some. 

Ohh OK. 

Alright, I just saw it you. Cocked it up. OK. Harry Potter. Spell of. Medical condition. Here we go. 

Right here. 

Obliterate shiao. 

Obliteration. Obliteration. Alright. And that's a Harry Potter. 

Spell no. Dammit. That is the medical term for blocked or closed. 

Passengers ohh Harry Potter and the closed passage. 

That works. 

Ohh, just imagining the plotline now alright. 

Was that so? That was obliteration. 

Was that one? 

Glitterati. 

I like it. 

Should be spelled. 

Milagiriya. 

Malaysia. Ohh. Look, I've just it sound that sounds ohh. Went down to spend the weekend in Thailand and came back with a case of Malaysia. I think it's a medical condition. 

Correct. 

Hi. 

In in the limbs basically a very non magical dead leg. 

Ohh pain in the limbs. That's a medical condition. Ohh no sorry. You haven't asked another question, have you? Alright. 

The. 

Findo Defendo, Defendo spell or medical condition. 

Spell correct. 

Ohh yeah, it's a spell. 

In Harry Potter that slices or rips objects, apparently. 

The thing though. 

Defender. 

Could S could be a medical condition as well? You know, I I went up to the to South America. I went up to South America. I don't know whether it's up or down at this stage, but I I got bitten by something while I was in the jungle there and I picked me up a bad case of the sindos. 

Vote De Findo on my piece of paper. 

Piski piski that is a. 

Spell correct handy. Handy for a medical condition because it apparently heals minor injuries. 

Pretty good. I'm just guessing I'm just. 

Ohh, really. Well, that's right. After you got bitten by the thing in. The Amazon using pisky. Fix it. 

Cindy. 

Delete syndactyly. Yes, yes, some doctor. 

Seen dash doing. I think that's a medical condition. 

Webbed or fused fingers or toes. 

I mean it's it's hard to kind of feel really smart when all you're doing is throwing a bunch of 5050 questions that it's basically playing heads or tails with you, right? Christmas Christmas is a spell. 

No. 

Really lost your socialismus. 

Lock your Christmas, Christmas and lock. 

I did not know that that's the medical term for local gaol. There you go. I was today years old. I found. I wonder if I'll ever find out that useful, you know, anywhere else except for right here, right now. OK. 

No. 

Probably not. Septum, sempra. 

Septum, Sempra that it has to be a Harry Potter film. 

Correct. 

He said. What's that dude? What is that one? 

Slices your enemies. What about a case of? 

Slices your enemies. Wow, they're very violent spells. I mean, I'd just like, you know, to have a spell that would pick me up a cup of. Coffee and do the vacuuming. That's like you know. Agnosia, while you alluded to the fact that that might be a medical condition. So I'll go with. 

That, umm, I did do that. 

Right. 

The inability to recognise objects, people or. 

Sounds it's very confusing. 

Ohh really? I thought it was gonna be like the inability to ask a question without giving. The answer away. 

Vulnera centre. 

Vulnera sand well, that sounds like a a a medical condition that you pick up. 

Probably from Giroud. 

Maybe from Gerula or a House of ill repute, but I am gonna say that that's a spell. 

It is. Another heel. 

The major rooms alright. 

What was it? 

What was it called? Vulnera centre. 

See, I feel like I just, you know, picked up a bit of funk down in the old Bonura senator and I think so I need some penicillin to sort that. 

Out. 

Alright, one last. 

1. 

Ohh yes, OK. 

Muffley auto. 

Muffley auto. 

No. 

They're mostly, are they? 

That is a medical condition. 

No, that just spells it fills. 

Peoples Ears with buzzing yes. 

Ohh really because I thought it was some kind of condition that. 

It's buzzing me. 

You get with your must. Ohh, picked up a bad case of Muffly auto. I need to get some, I don't know. Some really like I I need some pine tar shampoo. That was magic. Almost as magic as your recorder playing. It's the hatches, matches and dispatches. Clue. Somebody that was married this time for our hatches, matches and dispatchers segment that we will mention at the end of the show and we will all will be revealed then. However, here's your clue. 

I just can't like, I just, you know, I I don't know. I don't know how I survived in there as long as I did cause it's just like. I mean, you're cool, but the rest of those people, I just can't hang with them. I just. I just. I don't know. 

I think that's what people say who can't stick around to the end of the show to find out the answers to that to the matches. To the dispatchers clue. 

13 July 2005 Nasas's planned launch of Discovery didn't quite go to plan, had to postpone. The launch due to a malfunctioning fuel sensor in the external tank. This was particularly significant because this was the first shuttle flight since the Columbia disaster, which we spoke about a few years ago in 2003. So NASA is obviously under massive pressure to prove that it can fly safely again and. 

Hmm. 

And then one little fuel sensor derails the whole thing. 

Not wanting, not wanting to take any risks, so they had the routine pre launch check and one of the four engine cutoff sensors in the external fuel tank failed to respond correctly. These are critical for monitoring liquid hydrogen levels and ensuring the shuttle's main engines shut down at the appropriate time. Time during ascent so a malfunction could lead to a premature engine shutdown or overburn, which both of which pose serious risks to both the mission and the crew. 

Oh. 

But look, I'm no rocket scientists. Hmm. But I I I I don't. I mean, they know how much fuel sensor. I thought it was the fuel gauge, you see. But you've explained it a little bit better than I cause. I was gonna be. Like, well, I'm no rocket scientist, but you know, how would you? I mean, it's a it's, it's got a full tank of petrol before it takes off. There's, you know, it's not like it's not like you're gonna stop at the servo on the way to the moon because. 

Yeah. 

Yeah. 

And when it's on empty, when it's on empty, there's still a good three days left. Easy, easy, no problem. 

There's nothing there. Well, that'll get you to the moon. Three days. No problems at all. Yeah. Yeah, that's how long it takes to get there. There you go. They detected it 2 1/2 hours before the scheduled liftoff, and the officials, the officials were like, ohh no cause the last like last time, you know, we weren't cautious enough so that I and so they were very all hazards about it. They were like well we need to prioritise the safety of the crew so we're we're gonna halt the launch to investigate. 

No goodness. 

Hmm. 

The anomaly and the crew who were already aboard the shuttle were like, Ohh, well, we'll just hang out here while they troubleshoot and see what happens. But you can hear the disappointment in their voices. 

The vehicle the eco sensors for for some reason did not behave today and so we're going to. Have to scrub. Those launch attempts, so once we develop our our scrub, turn around plan for you, obviously we'll get that back. To. You so appreciate the all we've been through together, but this one is not going to result in a launch attempt today. 

You could just hear that they appreciate all that we've been through together like he's gutted the poor. 

Ohh the disappointments. 

Guy, well, you know, you would have had to get up early, do your hair, get dressed, get on the. It's like, it's like when you're ready for a meeting, you put your fancy background on, put a bit of lippy on, do your hair, make sure your camera ready, you turn your camera on, and then you're just sitting in the zoom meeting and no one turns up, and then it gets. It's a very disappointing meeting. 

Well, the. That you. Been preparing yourself for since 2003. Yeah, so it it compounded that by a few years. But yes, that's right. And so the, the poor guys, I mean there, there's a lot of hard work that goes into it obviously. And it's it's a very expensive hobby. 

Same thing exactly. 

Exactly. Exactly. 

Yeah. 

Magine that. And a couple of hours out as well. 

Yes, yeah, yeah. 

They conducted extensive tests to try and figure out what caused it. They examined the sensor, the wiring, the electronics and Despite that, they still couldn't find the exact cause of the malfunction. So they had to do some more analysis, do some more testing, have a bit of a think. 

Hmm. 

And then rescheduled the launch for July 26th. So a few weeks later. 

And you know what? They never did find out why that fuel sensor failed, and it's this tiny little thing. It's about the size of a box of matches, and it sits right in the bottom of the main booster tank. I think that was the one. It was like it was right in the middle of the main rocket, right. Like kind of right near the bottom where the. 

Be a little bit worried. 

Hmm. 

The all the fire and stuff comes out, but they couldn't replicate the fault. They just couldn't. And no matter how hard they tried cause it's like they need to find out the cause of it. They can't just move on from that cause they need to ensure it's never gonna happen again. Or worse still, could it be contributing to a bigger problem that would have perhaps been catastrophic? That's what they were. So nervous about. 

And I think it highlighted the fragility of the shuttle technology because even though. It we're looking at early 2000's the shuttle. Yeah, yeah, 80s and 90s. So they were, they were getting old. Troubleshooting was a very manual thing. So it was a lot of physical cheques and time consuming diagnostics. Hmm. Hardware glitches were part of that because of the the 70s, eighties design. So you know, you've gotta. 

Well, they've been around since the 80s. 

Upgrade and it doesn't quite work. It's like me trying to. Run certain apps on my phone that I haven't updated for about 3 years. Same kind of thing. 

You know what, though? I I if you look at it at this in this day and age, I kind of call balls because I they don't make them like they used to. You know, I feel like thing, you know, like your appliances that you have for like, I'm fairly certain that my dad still has a fridge that we owned in the 80s. I'm at. 

Ohh the the shed fridge. My shed fridge fridges are like 60 seventies. You can tell by the handles. You can't lift the handle up and the shape of it. 

Yeah. 

You can't kill ****. Exactly. So. So right. So based on that theory and. 

That's 70s French. 

Again, I'm no rocket scientist, but I would suggest that anything that is of the era of shed fridge that is kind of built in the time of shed, fridge, tech, tech. 

Ah. 

Indestructible. There's no problem, no problem at all. 

Absolutely. So ****** the fuel sensor. Don't worry. Get up there, NASA. 

You do have to defrost them though. Wasn't that a pain in the **** with the old fridges? 

With the screwdriver, which then. 

You have to. 

You have to have it open, have the door open. All day let it defrost itself. 

And then there were. Or do you just to hook in there and start chipping away and? 

Yeah. 

I stopped it. With the screwdriver, which is at your peril, because if you'd hit something kind of bad in the back, it would be quite fatal, yes. Then you'd be in your lawn should be scrubbed as well. Permanently. 

You're the screwdriver. 

Yeah, there all the gas came out. Yes. Shot you in the face. But you you did say you know they don't make them like they used to. But if you compare with today, so in 2000 and. 

Yes. 

Five, it's grounded for two weeks, whereas today a SpaceX rocket can scrub, reset and relaunch in days, sometimes hours, because of the advanced diagnostics. 

Yes. 

Yes. 

Yes, but have you seen how many of those SpaceX rockets just turn into these huge fireballs? They blow up, they're terrifying. There was one that did it a few. Weeks ago saddles. 

That were cutting edge in the 80s were outdated in the 2000s, but now private companies are launching astronauts, touch screens, reusable boosters. All kinds of stuff. And we've got these systems that are automated. They're self preserving, there's redundancy to build into critical components. So if one system fails, you've got backups that kick in, you've got the software driven diagnostics, real time data, quick troubleshooting, yeah. And back then the launches and I think this again, This is why this was such a big deal because we hadn't. Had one for. What was the the other one was 2003, so we hadn't had one for. 

That's right. 

2. 

Years now, SpaceX alone is sending rockets up almost weekly. 

Hmm. 

Yes, and blowing quite a few up as well and look. And this is the thing, right, so yes. Much more improved look and feel from the 70s and 80s, but. 

Sleek modern design. Curved surfaces. These seats heated seat. 

But at its core, at its core, it is you're still strapping. You are still straight. It doesn't matter who gives you adjustable mirrors, parking sensors, whatever you want, like. 

A mirror with that lights. So you can check your makeup. Perfect. Perfect. 

Adaptive cruise control at the end of the day, you are still sitting on a huge combustible bomb. It still takes like you still need to burn the same fuel that they've always burned, I believe. Or maybe it's mixture of it, but the the fundamental. 

Ohh, I think it's a bit more eco friendly. 

These it still catches fire, and you're still sitting on this big, fiery ball that's just that's launching you, propelling you up into space like that hasn't changed since the first one. 

It's days, isn't it? 

Still. 

Riding fireballs off into the great beyond. 

But you don't have to defrost them any. 

No, there was somebody else. Who? Well, they're in the great beyond now. They were alive at this time 20 years ago, though it was a bloke by the name of Bernard Ebbers. Do you know who? Bernard ebbers. 

Was remember that name from we spoke about. As. 

Do you remember it? 

Bernard, a few years ago. 

That's right. There was a company called World com world com, not world.com world com and he was the CEO. He was sentenced to 25 years. Geez, that was a big breath then was it? Ohh when he was sentenced. I've I've got a cold. 

worldcom It's dramatic. Also 25 years, that's a long time. Based on that inhale. 

Yeah, he was sentenced to 25 years in gaol. Hmm. He's he was just I I was. I was so excited about the rocketry. If the truth be told, if we could just pause for a SEC. Yes, I'm a bit under the weather. I have a I have a cold and it's it's. I'm struggling. 

Yes you are. 

Yeah, that's fine. So alright, you sound a bit deeper. 

Eggs. Do you like it? It's alright. Do it. Yeah. Cool. I feel like you could grow potatoes in my vocal cords. At the moment there probably are some potatoes growing in there. Anyway. Bernard Evers back to him. CEO ofworld.com. One of the biggest telecommunications. I'll say I did. I did the thing I did the thing. CEO of Worldcom, like it was a big telecommunications company. 

Back to Bernard. No world com, there's no dots. You did it. 

Yes. 

Biggest in the world, or one thereof. Massive growth through the 90s. 

Hmm. 

And they grew so much, mainly by acquiring other telco companies and moving into Internet communication. They had, like over 60 mergers in about 20 years. Worldcom. Yeah. 

He was an interesting character, sorry. 

Ohh it's catching. 

Yeah, I've caught. I've caught you potatoes. He was an interesting character. He's not not your typical tech CEO. He used to be a milkman. Hmm. A basketball coach. Yeah. Motel operator. Yep. And then founded world com and famously wore cowboy boots. It was a bit of a down to Earth kind of persona, making it all the more. Surprise. And in 2001, Worldcom was handling half of all Internet and email traffic in the US that's a lot. That's a lot. 

Hmm. 

That is a lot. I just if you go back to the look and the resume and everyone was like, yeah, he's kind of this character and he's really down to Earth. And he wasn't a tech guy. And I'm like, well, he seems, I mean the, the, the, the, the whole description says to me snake oil salesman. 

Hmm. 

Maybe that's the problem. Well, to keep to this acquisition strategy of of buying and acquiring all these other companies, they had to keep the stocks going up, had to be looking good on paper and the stock market only they weren't a proposed merger falls through. 

Yes. 

That's right. No. 

Bernard's getting a bit worried. 

By $11 billion, that's how much they lied by. 

Getting a little bit worried, so tampering with the financial statements, basically overstating like you say $11 billion, overstating its earnings between 99 and 2. 

Hmm. 

1002 using fraudulent accounting to hide expenses and inflate profits to keep. Their stock prices. High was designed to maintain that investor confidence and mask their deteriorating financial health. 

Yeah. 

Well, it it, it made it look like they generated so much more money, but in 2002. 

Hmm. 

Their results for the fourth quarter of 2001 were really far below what Wall Street would have expected from them, and they and they reduced its guidance for 2002. And then there was an audit. They had a big audit, yeah, and the company said that they have to revise all their financial statements to the tune of 3.8. 

The maths wasn't matching. 

5 billion so they've, they've, they've, they've, they've lied about 1.3 billion in profits. And then they've had to revise their statements to 3.85 billion. And then on the 1st of July they they sort of said Ohh listen. We're bankrupt. Everyone. Right? OK. 

Yes. 

Someone wasn't adding up properly filed for bankruptcy on the 21st of July 2002. At the time the largest bankruptcy in U.S. history, obviously later surpassed by Enron and Lehman Brothers. But at that time it was. 

Yes. 

The largest over 30,000 employees lost their jobs. Investors lost billions, pensions and retirement funds. Were wiped out. Just terrible. 

The the financial devastation that something like this causes to just everyday people cannot be overstated. Like the whole lives were bought, undone by the collapse of this company. 

Hmm. Hmm. 

And so we get to the 13th of July 2005, Bernard Ebbers is sentenced to 25 years. In federal prison, found guilty of securities fraud, conspiracy and filing false reports. Former employees speculated that he was a figurehead and the complex fraud was actually masterminded deeper within the finance team, whereas others were saying he is ohh shucks persona, his everyday Man Act was an act and he was absolutely police. 

Yeah. 

Snake oil snake oil salesman. I'm not a tech guy, but I used to work in motels. Do you like my cowboy boots? Do you want to buy this snake oil? So so when he got sentenced, this is the thing. This is a death sentence for him, basically because he was. He was 63, meaning that like 25 years, pretty much a life sentence for him. But in spite of that, they pushed for harsh punishment because they wanted to make an example of him, to deter future corporate fraud. And he said the entire time he stuck to his. Guns. Ohh shucks. He said that he was innocent. He titled, but they all do. They all do. He reckons he's blindsided by his subordinates and and dropped his chief Financial officer in town. 

Of course. 

Ohh the L CFO. 

Yeah. Scott Sullivan. His name was said he cooked the books. 

Hmm. 

And then his lawyers were like, ohh, he's not very well. So you need to be lenient based on his age and his medical condition. And despite of all of this, they're like, Nah, he's absolutely responsible according to the courts. But this is what his lawyer, Reid Weingarten, had to say straight after the case. 

I think an innocent man got sentenced today. I think that the judge is a wonderful judge and I'm sure tried to do what she thought was best. But the problem with this case from day one, Bernie Evers was transformed into a symbol, a distorted picture of corporate corruption. That's not for. The Evers the record is uncontradicted. This is a man who has lived a life that is unblemished. He's lived a life of unbelievable charity and kindness and compassion. And somehow that didn't fit in to this picture of the meaty, corrupt public or corporate official it it it. It made us crazy. What are you? 

Yeah. So they say so they say, but they're all innocent, aren't they? Really. You ask anyone in gaol? What are you in for? I don't know. I didn't do anything. Sure, sure, sure. 

He was granted compassionate release in December 2019 due to severe health decline. He had dementia and heart issues. He then died on the 2nd of February 2020 age 78, just weeks after he's released from prison. 

Ohh well, at least he got out. You know they didn't think he was going. 

Two. Yes. Not not for long, unfortunately. Let's move on to the 15th of July and UK authorities. So we had the bombings in London a couple of weeks ago and UK authorities named the four suspected bombers. The investigation moved pretty fast. So within 5 days of the attack. 

Yeah. 

Yes. 

Yeah. 

Police had pieced together CCTV footage, forensics and witness accounts. All four attackers were British citizens, which shocked the nation. 

'S outwardly unremarkable young men, the bombers, were all British Muslims with a sense of enjoy. Justice in his suicide video, Mohammed Sadiq Khan made that clear. 

Your democratically elected governments continuously perpetuate atrocities against my people all over the world, and your support of them makes you directly responsible. 

I it's I I found this quite shocking that they were all from most well from Leeds. They're all from Leeds. They grew up there. They used to play soccer on the on the local Oval there and stuff. So that was Mohammed Sadiq Khan. Like they said, he was the ringleader from Leeds. He was a teaching. Distant married with a. 

Kid. Yeah, his wife said that she knew nothing about it, and they interrogated her quite a bit. And I think they they believed what she'd said, and he often travelled for work, apparently, and she just thought he'd gone away for work and had a one year old child at the time. 

Yeah. 

Extraordinary Shahzad Tanweer, who was 22. He was from Leeds. He was a universe. Graduate Hasib Hussain, 18 he was the youngest attacker, also from Leeds, described as quiet. It's always a quiet one, Germaine Lindsay, 19 years old Jamaican born, naturalised British citizen from Huddersfield. So it's it's really it was really difficult for the community around that area as well because these these people. Were embedded in the community they like I said to you before, a lot of the those most of them young boys would go and play social soccer on the weekend at the local Oval. And as a consequence. It was very difficult, especially for sort of that Pakistani and and immigrant community in Leeds, to actually move on from that. It was like all of a sudden they were all kind of maligned because of that ***. 

Hmm. 

Well, that was the thing that was, is, is there more attackers out there or or was it just the four of them? Who knows what's going on and the and the fact that it was British citizens. This was really quite shocking and and they found them mainly through CCTV footage from Kings Cross Station which showed all four of them together carrying the backpacks that they believed contained the explosives. There was forensic evidence recovered. 

Hmm. 

From the bomb. Sites which linked them directly to the attacks traces of explosives were found at their homes and vehicles. Personal belongings, including ID's and bank cards, were also found at the scenes. The attackers and as you heard in in the. Video. They they claimed that the attacks were in retaliation for the UK's involvement in the Iraq War and foreign policies, which were seen as oppressive to Muslims. They were motivated by Al Qaeda ideology, though not directly controlled. Or or linked to Al Q. Is leadership at the time. 

I don't think so. I think they're a bunch of dudes from the same neighbourhood that just kind of became radicalised as a result of the environment around them, which is a little bit shocking unto itself. But what's also shocking about this is when we talk about how the authorities find them and whatnot, and also the fact that they were local boys. 

Yeah. Hmm. 

Like realistically, that's that, that that was their hometown is that they've had their eye on them for some time. 

Two of the bombers had been under surveillance but were given a lower risk security rating victims relatives believe they could have been. Apprehended Graham Thoughts lost his only son. 

I had two concerns. 1 is that the intelligence community and intelligence officer sat on my sofa. And told me they knew nothing about Siddiqui Khan, when in fact his agents and his officers had been tailing tape, recording, filming video of him for two years. So I need a decent and truthful, honest answer to that. 

That's terrible, isn't it? If that if that is the case. That is terrible and that it wouldn't surprise me if it was. 

Yeah. 

The case, but I I think too like that news report obviously focusing on the families of the victims as well it should. I feel like the families of these guys are also victims, especially if they had no idea, you know, like what do you do? How do you pick up the pieces when you find out that somebody that's related to you. Is responsible for killing other people. 

Well, particularly his wife and child. I think they had to. I think they had to leave the country. 

Yeah. 

Because she was getting all kinds of horrible death threats and things as a result, because obviously people. Knew who she was. 

That's right. And so there was lots of debate over in the UK after this about radicalisation within the UK as a result of things that are happening around not obviously directly from people going, hey, I'm gonna connect with Al Qaeda and then we're gonna. Talk about what our plans are. These guys were just sort of doing things in isolation from that, obviously inspired by that. So there was a big conversation about that failures in intelligence and community integration, and that's the big one because of that, that community in Leeds and then surveillance policing and anti terror laws. 

Hmm. 

Tech news on the 13th of July 2005, the micro SD developed and approved by SanDisk. 

Yeah. 

A pretty sneaky low key announcement, but a pretty game changing moment in tech. It was officially approved and announced, originally called the Trans Flash, but they they had second second thoughts on the trans the trans flash, yes, so standardises the micro. 

Yes. I'm glad they changed that name. No, I just. It's not a good title. Yeah. 

This day, of course, a tiny removable flash memory card designed for all kinds of portable devices at launch sizes ranged from 32 megabytes to 128 megabytes. Look out, which was really quite massive for phones and other gadgets back then. 

Yes. 

Well. 

Especially, I mean even that like how do you fit that much in this little thing cause they're as big as like? A. Thumbnail. They're tiny little. 

Yeah. Yeah, they are. 

Things as big as a SIM card. 

I think I've lost a few. Over the years, yeah. 

Have you? God, what was on? Them hey. 

Ohh, who knows. Probably things from a digital camera. 

Now so I'm. 

No trans flashing or anything like that. No, no. Well, and the thing was, is I'm like, how do they get all that information onto that? Any little thing and I look the best place to go I found was the unqualified tutor on YouTube who explains in far greater detail than this. This is just a small part of how SD cards work. 

I don't know. 

So how does it fit all that data in such a small space? Well, it may not surprise you that the inside is packed with memory cells. These memory cells hold either A0 or A1. So when you plug the micro SD card into your computer, your computer will translate the zeros and ones into information that a human can. Understand. 

That's such a small portion of it, he explains how those zeros and ones turn into zeros and ones on the actual card as well. It's intense. I I I went down a a rabbit hole and came out of it just so confused. I had to feel. I felt like I had to rethink my entire life. 

Ohh that's too much. That's too much. Well, I stopped listening, sorry. 

Yes, OK, alright. Anyway these things revolutionised mobile stories. That's what we're talking about, right? So you could expand storage on your phones, your MP3 players. Your cameras are Chuck an SD card. You know, more space. 

Yes. 

This and weren't we. I mean space is look at it now. Space is the commodity storage space is the commodity. How many times have you filled up a device and just gone filled a device up? 

It really is, yes. Yep. 

I'm just. I'm just gonna buy a new device. That's what I do usually. Or I'll buy another cloud. Yeah. 

Yeah, let's put that one in the cupboard and get another one, yeah. 

I've got lots of clouds, so yeah, you know what they call to where they are. I've got lots of things in clouds and every time it gets close, but the clouds put it in somewhere else, got lots of clouds. 

For cloud digital footprints all over the. Yeah. 

Obviously allowed for more photos, videos, apps and music, and back then, phones had pretty much no storage, and we're starting to get the phones. Not only that, can take photos, but can take really. Short videos as well. 

They're like 64. Makes is what finds you saved. That's the size. It's not even the size of a like a one minute video file. Yeah, high high definition. 

And so you just do like. A. You take one one video and. 

Yeah. 

Your phone's full. That's it. We can't even turn it on anymore. 

Done, yeah. 

Exactly it also. Helped drive the development of more powerful devices because the storage is now in this little card that you can take in and take out and became pretty essential for the early smartphones, the PDA's and GPS units also had them year old TomTom. 

Yes, so it could. So it could save your roots. 

Tandy. Yes. Don't forget your roots too. 

Yeah. Yeah. So in 2000 and and five, I think 128 megabytes is probably the biggest size. I think they had roughly that's 30 to 40 MP threes in standard 128 kilobits per second quality standard quality, not high or lossless, about 50 to 70 photos from 1:00 to 2:00. 

It was, yes. 

MHM. 

Hmm. 

Yeah. 

Megapixel camera. 

Pretty good. 

And one to two minutes of low res. Heavily compressed video, yeah. About it. 

But you could have thousands of text files, word documents and spreadsheets. It was really revolutionary though, because it just gave everybody. 

Uh-huh. 

Yeah, or just the Java games. Little Java games, that's about it. 

Access to portable pocket sized data storage, which was very different to what we had with CD storage. Even the the USB drives the early sort of plug and plays and and some of the flash drives were quite large, so this was a really portable. Great solution. 

For now, now and like you said, it's all up in the clouds now. Hmm. None of us own any of it. No, that's what's scary about data. 

Yes, people can take all of my text files and word documents and spreadsheets and use it for who knows what. 

It's a commodity, it's. Yeah. Which begs the question is, is it more valuable? Like, is data more like more valuable or going will will data be more valuable than money? At some stage. 

Charts start with the charts. 

Why not? Yeah. the Billboard ones in the USA. 

Came into the place. You cry. 

Thank you. 

Ohh baby baby. 

Wow, that that idol stuff back to back. Is it just it throws me every time. 

Yes, 2 inside jar. Heavens Bo was #5 and Carrie was #4. I still maintain the bow. Sounds like the batteries are on the Fritz. He sounds like. 

Two versions of. Your. Yes. Does he does. Does he like? He stretched the tape. He stretched the tape a little bit for those version. 

The slow version of. 

Carries. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. You get got caught around the little school thing when you pulled it off, you stretched it a little bit because you weren't careful. 

Yes. Yeah. So he's like, stretch carry. Hmm, Bobby. Right. 

#3 don't funk with my heart, hollaback girl, Gwen Stefani #2 and right, is still at #1 with we. 

Belong dominating, dominating and number. 

Together over here in Australia, we have, as dads would say, acorn, with lonely. 

So, Mr Lonely, I have nobody. Can't believe I had a girl like you when I just let you walk right out of my. After all I put. 

You wanna just play like the whole song? How much of that? 

Some. Yeah. God, I don't know. I don't know. I just don't. You know, I cut and pasted from an older thing, but, but that's a long way away from when he was number one over in US, didn't he? Well, he was in. 

Did you? 

Play like. That do you? 

For very long. 

There was #1 in the top five was. 

The top five. 

In the mood? 

I think he might have been doesn't matter. 

It feels like maybe a month or two, I don't know. I can't remember longer than that. Well, we're a bit slow here in Australia. We'll take it. Take our time with friends. 

Feels. Than. But you know. Yeah. And let's face it, when we get into the middle of the season of T minus everything, just kind of drags a little bit, you know, thanks for being with us for the. 

And it all sounds the same. 

Bag. 

And Park and Elton, number one in the UK, still with Ghetto gospel. 

It ain't about. 

Damn. 

I feel like if they did a 20th anniversary of that, if they released that as a 20th anniversary release this year, it would chart again, absolutely. 

Yeah, I think so. 

I think it would do really. 

Well, well, yeah. Everyone was doing duets with Elton about 3 years ago when Britney did one, and dual Leaper did one. It was a. 

No. Like, yeah, like I'm no rocket scientist. 

Thing to do. But she passed the trendsetter. 

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 

Set of his time, it wasn't even alive. Amazing. 

That's right. He was. Well, he was ahead of his time. Even after. His time? Yeah. Which is just again. I'm no rocket scientist, but I'm not even like a physicist. 

No, you're not. We did have an album release, though, so something something new, something different. Something novel. Bow. Wow. Wow. UPOUPA. Little bow. Wow. No. Now he's bow. Wow, he's taken. He's dropped a little release. An album. It's called wanted. 

Ohh good. 

It's just ballets. It's just a. 

Bow Wow. 

Now I have been with different kind of girls like I haven't seen no more, but ain't none of them at all. 

Cortana. 

And I haven't seen the best of the best, maybe still lying impressed cause ain't. None of them at all. You know how I feel when I chill. If you sing with a girl that she gotta be just. Him, baby. That's the way that. 

Yeah, it's got that awkward teen late teen voice. 

Yeah, it's just broken, but it's still got the kind of undertones of pre breaking voice. 

19. Yeah, that would have been a a joy to record, I reckon. 

It would have been difficult, wouldn't it? Ohh yeah. Do that again. Come on. 

Couple of bits. We're up. Yeah, we're gonna have to do that bit again now. Yeah, yeah. 

It's all right. 

3rd studio album by Bow Wow and this is this is his transition from child star to more mature teenage. 

Yeah. 

Artist. 

And look, it is a lot more slick, isn't it? It's. He sounds pretty smooth. He's like he's turning on the charms. 

Yes. 

He's sure well. 

For the lady. 

He is well, that one that you played there was, like you featuring Sierra, the that's goodies back in the jar. 

Yeah. Oh. 

And. 

Oh, the oath. 

And they were actually going. Steady. They were going steady at the time and I think at this point, yeah, well, maybe a little bit later. They they. 

They. 

Were engaged for a bit. Ohh. 

How old was Bow Wow at this stage? How long? 

19 I. 

Was Sierra. You're probably around 1920 as. 

Told me that the same. 

It didn't last, didn't last. But they yeah, they were going steady, dating at the time. Power couple. I think they even wore matching outfits and awards and things like. 

Well, I guess. 

Right. 

The days are like the BET awards or whatever. Yeah, on the carpet. Good on them. Duet. I mean, beautiful moment in time. That's tough, isn't it, though? Because if you do it duet with someone that you're in a relationship with and you become and that song becomes one of your more famous song. 

Yeah, power couple. I mean your brave heart. 

And then you break up with that person and you're doing the shows. Well, you can, I think, but it's just you've just gotta you've just gotta it's forever imprinted. 

Can you still sing the song? You can't. You gotta sing their parts. Well, if he's at the point where his voice is still breaking, he probably could do both parts. You'd probably do. Yes, it's fine. We'll do it on that tour. There's no song. 

Within your portfolio, well, that's true. 

I reckon that's what. 

Auto tune sounds like a little bit like it's just somebody's voice kind of breaking in key. Yeah. Voice breaking in key. 

Does. Hmm. And Marian, you're one of your favourites. You do it. 

Ohh I'm a moron. 

With him. Let me hold you. Yeah, that was the lead. Single smooth R&B infused certified slow jam of the summer Halloween. 

Once. 

Ohh, he's got a lot of slow jabs here. He's definitely trying to pick up chicks with his. 

Fresh. 

As Jim is as him. 

Is. 

Professors Miss professor means, as Miss Zimmer is. I don't know what that means. I'm sorry I'm glitching. Switch. My voice is breaking. I don't know. That was a track featuring. Yeah. Jay Kwon. 

Are you OK? Thought you were having an episode then? Jakwan from what Ohh cameo? 

Cameo. You never you never replied to my message. I so I thought, well, now that jakon jakwan not jakon, it was a jakon, wasn't it? 

Zyklon from your updates? Ohh, this is a Jay con cameo. Really. Yeah. How much did you pay the SMS in 10 bucks? 

Ohh no, it was closer to 20. 

That's a J. Cole. 

Yeah. 

After we we did the exchange rate and then remember I accidentally messaged him dice so I thought. 

Yeah. 

Wouldn't it be? Wouldn't? 

$40. 

It be wonderful. Wouldn't it be wonderful? I haven't been. I haven't been on cameo for it since. That all went down well. I went back. No, I went back and remember. He'd seen it. They said seen by Jacob. 

I'm not an economist, but. That's not your band. 

Yeah. 

And I'm like, well, you've seen it could. Could you maybe message me back, prick anyway? So I thought isn't, wouldn't it be wonderful? Wouldn't it be wonderful? Yeah, I did. I did. I'm still a bit upset. OK, any. 

Wow, did you just call Jake? We went up to Greece. 

Right. So I thought, wouldn't it be wonderful if because I don't have notifications, so if he's messaged me, I don't know and I thought, wouldn't it be wonderful if he has messaged me in the time? 

You've been thinking he's a prick this entire time. 

Since last time I checked and now and I'll have something to say in this point, we were talking about Bow Wow and Jaquan because Jaquan's actually messaged me back. I've got an update, so I went in. He hasn't, but he's had a price drop, remember, remember. 

Is he? 

He was like thousands. 

It's a jaquon fire sale. Bring your truck. Bring your trailer. 

It is. It is. $300.00 and so I thought we'd. 

Ohh is that all? 

Got a price drop? It's desperate times. Surely he'd message me back to try and motivate me to buy a $300 cameo. But he? Didn't. 

You should. You should spend another 20 bucks on a message just to kind of rub his nose in that a little bit, like well, not only that, but it's like, ohh, I've noticed that there's a bit of a price dropping. 

And then. 

I know you've seen this message. Ohh hey, how's the price drop? What's less than 1/2 price? 

Are you struggling? Do you need, you know, times? A bit tough over in? 

That's like 75% off or something. Yeah. What's going on, Jake? But that's what happens when you don't send messages back to people they don't, then. 

Planet jaquon. 

Buy the thing anyway. So then I thought. I wonder if Bow Wow's on there Bow Wow is on there cameo. I don't know how much he costs because he's on a hiatus at the moment so he's he's got his out of office on, but then I read some reviews because he's done Bower. Yeah, he did a message for someone for their birthday and he's like save me some cake and he was like rambling. 

On. Yeah. 

Let's Bow Wow on premiere. 

When it was rambled on more than you actually. 

That's good. That means you're getting good value for money. Like if you get it. If you kind of an incoherent, rambling cameo. 

And on and. On. Oh, very boring. No, I was born. But he's lying in bed. I think he was like, tired or drunk. And it was very boring anyway. So then I was reading the reviews and someone gave him one star and said. Not what I didn't. What was it? Not what I. Ordered. 

Read. 

So they asked him to read something, had just gone off script. I think it was. That birthday hmm. 

Wow. You know who else is on cameo? That actually gives really good value for money. Warwick, Kappa. 

How much is marriage? 

Warwick Capper on camera. I'm not sure how much he is, but I've seen a few of Warwick kappa's cameos. He does exactly what you would expect Warrick Cappa to do and then some. Well, Warrick thinks he's a bit of a stand up. Really so spectacular. Spectacular. Let me see if I can find. 

I'd pay for it. Rapper. What does he do? What you ask? Does he do what you ask, or does he do what he wants to do? Well, Warwick wants. To do. How's his hair? 

It's worth it. 

For the hair, isn't it? 

Because, I mean, you know that like he's a bit of a, he's a bit of a kid, right? 

I like him. I think he's a bit of fun. Yeah, he's a bit funny. 

Kappa. Ohh, he can't. He's a yeah, he can. He's he's he's a. He's a bit. Well, he did something wrong on Big Brother, remember. 

Did you do something wrong recently? I think. He's done a few. 

Or he got his. 

Yes, I knew there was some reason why I shouldn't like him. That's right. 

He's just he's just a footy player with no brains and and even even less cause he's been hit in the head a few times so he does a 70 or I think a a 70th birthday message for someone and this is this is the extent of the quality that you get like you know. 

No, it happens. 

Most cameos what 30 seconds or whatever. 

Yeah. 

That. 

Warrick capper. One minute, 10. 

Hello, Frankie. This is from Devin. Happy birthday, old boy. You're 60. But look 75. I'm 62. But look, 41 good plastic surgeon. You're turning 60. Happy birthday, ball bag. Some beautiful, Devin. He's in Colombia, but all that against him happy doesn't get shot dangerous out there. Happy. He's good. Holiday, like he's gone quite nice. And your brain for security. One month premiership is hot *****. That was my point. Let's let's put 110 and we lost 7. But so we're almost 7-8. But we're talking 10 but better than one but less. You got one. I know. Very boring to kick that actually he was on this one board. I made him one but no one knows him. So anyway will come within 38 years. My third on my number. Happy birthday, Frankie Dev and Warrick cappa. Guess what here from actually miss. Yeah. I'm sorry. Why? If you're having met you, are you waiting in by mitzvah and funeral? Just worry. Kappa machine blonde hair, blue water. Ready for take off too. I can't talk. Good surgeons do it here. 

Still down. 

The the best or nothing, just like yourself. Over there. Happy birthday, mate. Good and great. 

How good? 

Is that I love that he wraps up and then keeps going over and out. Then he starts up again and then he said something. 

I have no freaking idea what he was talking about. I think he's half asleep. 

Lots of lots of commentary about the friend who was over overseas and what might have happened. 

We've gone so far off track from this little Bow Wow though, however. But you know. 

From bow. Wow. Well, no, not really it. 

Was good. It's good. 

Was Jermaine Dupri cause he was the other one with Jake, one that we haven't mentioned yet, honestly. 

Well, jakwan, maybe you could watch Warwick Capper. Befriend him on cameo can the cameos make friends with each other? Surely they can. Maybe you should do a duet with Warwick and make friends with him and learn something. Learn something. That's what cameos are all about. You do, you do. You need to check in a bit, so maybe you should Jake one. 

Well, I don't know, I think. I think you should keep up with your competition. If you're on cameo, you need to see what the competition is doing and I think I think what kappas finally found, something that he can do catching footballs. Yeah. Finally, after all these years, I mean, he's been. 

It's sandy's. It's Sandy's niece. It's sandy. 

'S calling. That's good. 

He's been all sorts. He's been a brothel owner, you know he's. 

He was the lollipop. 

Been. 

Guy too for a while and he's wearing. 

He was a lollipop guy for a while. Yeah, he was a metre maid, remember? He was a metre maid. 

Short shorts. I remember that. No, no shirt. 

On the Gold Coast. 

He's still he's. 

Still got a pretty good figure on him, he. 

Still goes he's got he's got abdominal implants. He's no he doesn't. 

All right. 

Oh well. No, he's got a good surgeon. We yeah, we know. 

Well, there's, he said that person to. 

Be said anyway. Yeah. Great albums. Yeah. Awesome. 

Bowl back to Bow bow. He released a he released a song this year in March. 

M. 

With Chris Brown, is that a good? 

Idea. 

Is that do we? Have we forgiven Chris Brown? 

Brown still really popular. Well, he was in court recently. 

Is that OK? I don't think that's. 

OK, I don't know that. It's OK, I don't think. 

That's OK. Well, I don't know, but Chris Brown. 

Right. 

Well, yeah, I I mean, I hate that that. No, no, not the vet. Ohh. Because I think it would have been much better. 

Not the vets, not the vets the other. One the the singer. 

Bow Wow had running duet with Chris Bernadette. 

I would have paid money for. 

That. 

Absolutely. You know. Yeah, cause cause then you know they go in, they record an album and then if his **** glands are a bit full, he can express them for him. Don't want to be responsible for the visual that that may have created in that last second, don't you? Yes. Well. 

Yes. I'm sorry that Chris Brown we like. You we wouldn't wish that upon you. 

Yeah, exactly. It anyway. Movies, movies, the movies, big movie Drops in the US and goes straight to number 1C and the Chocolate Factory, time's Tim Tims, Tim Burtons, Tim Burtons adaptation of the Roald Dahl Classic. 

Dear people of the world, I Willy Wonka, have decided to allow five children to visit my factory. 

5 golden tickets have been hidden underneath the wrapping paper of five ordinary Wonka bars. 

Wouldn't it be something Charlie to open the bar of candy and find a golden ticket? 

But I only get one bar, yeah. 

Nothing's impossible. 

You found one castle last golden ticket. 

From director Tim Burton. 

Please enter. 

Where are you? He's Willy Wonka. 

I don't care. 

I love your chocolate. 

I can see that. 

Salt daddy. I want another pony. 

You're my TV. 

Die, die. 

OK. 

And. Well, you're just lucky to be here, aren't you? Welcome. The factory. 

Warner Brothers invite you to enter a whole new world unlike anything you've ever imagined. 

It's beautiful, except for the version with Gene Wilder from the 70s, which was probably a bit better. 

I thought the original 1 was creepy and then I saw this one. 

Yeah. 

Yeah, it's very Tim Burton. Crazy. I I didn't mind it. 

It's very free. 

As far as Tim Burton films go, but I I kind of I was like ohh I I just don't. I really like the Gene Wilder version of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. I thought that was very good or Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory, I should say. 

Well, this one wasn't a direct remake. Of it. But it I think. 

No, no. 

It was closer to the book, wasn't it? Yeah. 

It was, yes, it was. And but it was quite the Horror Story as well, though it had that that Gothic Tim Burton style all over it, and it focused a little bit more on on Willy Wonka's back story, which included things like his weird dentist dad, who was played by Christopher Lee, who's like horror film royalty. And then, of course, Johnny Depp. Playing Willy Wonka where he was really. Channelling Michael Jackson. 

That's what I thought. Yeah. Yeah. Although he said he said that he was just improvising and acting like all the children's show TV hosts that he watched growing up. That was his #inspo. 

Yeah, whatever, mate. Yeah. Don't trust people who pretend to be somebody else for a living. 

It did. It did feel it did feel Michael. 

No. And then the umbrella was. This didn't do much for for the people who were in the Union, I don't think specifically little people in the Union cause there are. There are a whole range of actors with dwarfism who obviously get work playing things like Ewoks. And you look at the film like Time Bandits and stuff. 

Hmm. 

Like that? Like and and even the seven dwarfs that are grateful for that sort of stuff. But this this CGI causes a bit of a problem, cause the Oompa Loompas were all played by 1 actor who was Deep Roy, and he was multiplied with a bunch of CGI, so they all looked exactly the same. But one of the good things, of course, is the soundtrack by Danny Elfman, which is always a lot of fun. But it was. Controversial. I will say people didn't like the Michael Jackson version of of. 

Fans were, yeah, fans were very, very divided on it, but it did make over 475,000,000 worldwide, so it was a commercial success. 

Right. And, you know, in spite of Roald Dahl passing away. His estate approved this version, and they very famously did not like the 1971 film. Yeah, yeah. We got another number one over in Australia, the Fantastic Four. 

Hmm. 

Is that right? Hmm. 

Exposure to a high energy cosmic storm. 

Thanks. 

We could advance our knowledge about planetary. 

Life to our future. 

I don't trust. 

Him. We got what? 

We wanted just worried about what he wants. 

I think I'll get a second opinion. 

The cloud has fundamentally altered our DNA. That's gross. You look at me, I can't. 

Thank you. 

He's hitting him from his core. 

You don't want to walk around on fire. 

For the rest of your life, do you? 

Is that a trick? 

Question. Come on. Am I the only guy who? 

Thinks this is cool. 

What if we? 

Got these powers for a reason. 

I've always wanted. 

On the tower. 

Victor, you always thought you were a. 

God. 

Let's not fight. 

No less. 

Yeah, yeah, I liked this. This is. This is the. It was a Marvel film, but this was problematic because so the Fantastic Four are the first family of superheroes in Marvel, right? 

You. 

Isn't that the Incredibles? 

Well, yeah, well, this is what the Incredibles was based off, right, the Fantastic Four, so. 

Sounds like the Incredibles to me. 

How was it? 

The Fantastic Four really I think, launched Marvel into the stratosphere back in that golden age of comics because of the fact that it was a family of superheroes and they really were the flagship kind of characters for Marvel. But when Marvel started making stuff, they were like, we don't have the rights to the Fantastic Four. Over here because it's owned by 20th Century Fox, the film riots and so these films were made by 20th Century Fox. And I do think that this first one was actually pretty good. But when Marvel wanted to do stuff, they've only been able to really make a a new or they did one Fantastic Four movie, I think, and it was trash, and they've relaunched the Fantastic Four, which is coming out very soon. Actually. I think, like in a weeks time as as of when this is released. So and I can't wait to see that because it is. Very true to the original cartoon that used to watch as a kid and and the comic books. But this one was pretty good. Directed by Tim story. I think Ian Grifford is it, Ian Grifford. I never know how to say his name. 

Yawen. 

Yeah, Ewan, maybe ILAN grifford. He played Reed Richards or Mr Fantastic. But I mean the the draw card was Jessica Alba. As the invisible woman. And. And of course, it was because she was such a hot Tamale at that stage. It's like, oh, my God, they're getting the gorgeous Jessica Alba to play somebody who's in. 

Ohh yes yes. She was big. Ticket item, yeah. 

There was a lot. 

Yeah. 

Of talk about them over sexualising her character, though. 

Yes, there was a little bit. I mean it was the early 2000s. So Johnny Storm or the Human Torch played by Chris Evans, who of course famously is more well known now as Captain America Human Torch. Back then Ben Grimm or the thing played by Michael Chiklis, you know from that show the shield. Yeah, that was his big movie role. 

In in that movie. 

Mm-hmm. 

Ohh he was. Yes, yes. 

And then and then, Danny. Ohh, Julian. Julian McMahon as Victor von Doom. Doctor doom? Yeah. 

I love him. What was the video clip of hers that he was in? Was that celebrate? Ohh, this is the and they were on the beach and he was in a. 

This is. This is this. 

White shirt and it was unbuttoned. Ohh God. 

Yes. 

This is it this time. I know it's the real thing. I can't explain what I'm feeling. I'm lost for words. I mean, the days, etcetera, etcetera. It's another celebrity wedding and we're divorced. Yeah, yeah. So these guys get superpowers from the big cosmic radiation accident. And then obviously Reed Richards becomes the stretchy guy and then Sue Storm becomes invisible. And Johnny. 

Yeah. 

Storm catches fire and Ben Grimm turns to rocks. And then. 

Fond Victor von. 

Great. 

Doom, I think had like some kind of electricity power or. 

Something. 

Oh, that's nice. 

Anyway, the critics thought it was goofy and shallow and heavy on camp, and they hadn't really nailed the superhero formula here, but I thought. It was OK and I think people thought the. 

CGI was a bit naff too, didn't they? Some of them, yeah, they weren't. 

Some of the. 

The dialogue was big trash as well, yeah. 

Too happy with. With that. But it still made. Over 300 million and then. Obviously the sequel, the Rise of the. Silver Surfer came around 2007. 

Which which I. 

Thought would be very exciting because the Silver Surfer is a great character there. Yeah. Herald of Galactus. Yeah. 

I remember you being excited about it. Yeah, I remember. You were talking about it in 2007. 

Yeah, we'll get to it in 2006. It might have been a bit disappointing, I'm not sure. 

Back then you were saying? I don't. Yeah, I can't. Remember what you thought of it, but. You're excited at the time. 

I mean, superhero movies were exciting and we're not excited when they come out now, like there's been a Superman movie come out. There's a new Fantastic Four, which I'm kind of looking forward to just to go to the cinema. But I'm I'm. I'm hankering for something new. A new superhero. Yeah, a new superhero family. I don't know. 

No. No. Hmm, yeah, it's a bit overdone now, isn't it? 

You're right. 

Or just maybe people who do normal things but are interesting characters that have interesting anecdotes and actions from day to day that you could turn into a film that isn't about shooting and lasers from your eyes or something. 

Hmm. 

And it is over to books we didn't read, but it's more of a books news. 

It's a book release as opposed to a New York Times bestseller. Number one thing on the list. It's a very big release on the 16th of July 2005 at the 6th Harry Potter book by JK Rowling's released breaking. 

A book release. 

Sales records worldwide. 

Yes, there there was lots and lots of hype and obviously lots of lots of tension around the release. 

I've had a couple of people ask me how many coffees we're getting in, how many we have and. 

I can tell him I don't know because it's all right. We're not allowed. 

To know to help keep this secret. Hush hush the latest installment of the Harry Potter series won't arrive here until 11:30 Friday night. The book goes on sale at 12 O one. 

I'm coming to pre purchase Harry Potter for myself and my nephew. Nephew and my mother, who's a school teacher. 

Also, customers can however take advantage of a voucher system and prepay for their Potter. 

If I'm going to stay at that light, there better be. A copy way. 

Yeah, prepaid, Potter prepaid. Potter, who would have thunk it? 

For this half blood Prince, I don't think we said that did. We, Harry Potter and the. Half Blood Prince was the name of that one. 

No, but this is. This is unprecedented. Well, no, it wasn't. It was precedented because the last Harry Potter book got everyone got really excited about as well. But it was getting bigger and bigger. Yeah. 

Yeah. 

It was. It was. The first printing of it, 2 million copies printed for the UK 10.8 million copies printed in the US, which was the biggest first print run in publishing history at the. 

Feels loose. 

Smashing. 

Time. 

Records, yes. 

Sold 6.9 million copies in the US alone in just 24 hours. Set global sales records for the fastest selling. Ever smashing order of the Phoenix numbers. 

That's the one that they found in the field. Was that the? 

Also, Harry hold for. 

Order of the Phoenix and they. 

Ohh, that's right. The guys. I didn't read it, I didn't read it, I didn't read it. I didn't read anything, saw it in the field and took it into the what was it? News of the. 

Mysteriously found a copy of it. Yeah, yeah. 

World or one of those mirror? 

Something like that. Yeah. So they had the the midnight release parties and all of that sort of stuff, but you, you heard that, like, the shipment wasn't arriving at the bookstores until 11:30 at night. 

Dressed up. 

That's a lot of pressure on bookstack. Off to then get it all unpacked and on the shelves within. What was it, 1201. So you've got 35 minutes to open the boxes. 

It really is, yes. And get them on the shelves only to have them taken off again and to sort out all the Potter pre orders as well. 

Unpack it all. That's just. It's very unfair to the staff. Very unfair. 

I agree. 

There were leaks and spoilers in the days before the release. I think some dodgy copies surfaced online. Early and JK was saying please don't. Spoil it for. Others and police actually escorted some of the shipments to stop people dealing. 

Hmm. 

Yeah, they had to sign like waivers and all that sort of stuff. And there were lawsuits for the people that signed the that that sold them early and it was that like even a kid scholastic, the the publishing company Kid, got an early copy and the scholastic sent the lawyers after the kid who bought it from a store. It's not the kids fault. 

Hmm. 

That's made it available and then the message boards. Obviously everyone putting their spoilers out there as. 

Well. 

Yes, yes. 

Yeah, you could imagine the Harry Potter message boards going berserk. Remember, Harry hasn't finished his story yet, like Garry's done and dusted these days. We don't really think too much about. That but. 

Is this the last? 

One, I don't know. I don't. I don't know. I don't. Yeah. 

Know either. I don't. I don't like magic. You know how. I feel about magic. 

I don't like. Owls. I don't mind owls. But they they they do. They just got this look about them. Well, they. 

They bother you do. 

They. 

Yeah, I don't. Yeah, I I feel like they're judging me. 

They probably are. 

Well, if I was an owl, I'd judge people as well. They always do make them judges in, in comics and cartoons and stuff like that. Have you noticed that, like owls usually have that occupation? 

Yes. 

Oh. 

We're almost there. We're almost there. We've got one more thing to do. 

Almost. 

It is hatches, matches and dispatches. It is the segment where we talk about births, deaths or marriages and we play a little clue at the start. You may have remembered a celebrity who said this. 

I just can't like, I just, you know, I I don't know. I don't know how I survived in there as long as I did because it's just like. I mean, you're cool, but the rest of those people, I just can't hang with them. I just. I just. I don't know. 

He doesn't know if you said Jesse James. You'd be correct, you're. Talking about a match, Sandra Bullock married Jesse James. Yes, this time in 2005. 

16th of July, to be precise, they met in 2003 when she gave her motorcycle obsessed 10 year old godson a trip to West Coast Choppers headquarters for Christmas was a gift. 

Ohh that's that's right. He was from Matt or or some other reality show. 

So he's the chopper guy? Yes, he started it. He started it up. Actually. It's his business. 

Jenny. 

As they met James and he agreed to give them a special tour of the shop because Sandra Bullock. 

Oh, I'll give you a special tour. 

After the visit, she goes back to her office to find that there's a missed call from James. Hmm, and she thought ohh. I think you might be interested and said to her employee. Don't don't give him my number, please. No, no, no. You can give him my email, but not my number. And she's she said that I'm just gonna say no. Look, I'm not. Not open to dating at the moment. I'm not in the right place. And she apparently turned him down. He did ask her out. She turned him down a number of times. 

Hmm. 

Hmm. 

And she made big assumptions, she later told in an interview and in Style magazine. She said that she assumed he was a homophobic chauvinist and a bigot who killed people. I think he had a gun store as well. He did something with guns and he said that he thought that she was a ***** and Holly would snob, and then they hung out a bit and decided ohh. 

Right. 

We're both wrong about each other and yeah. And they went steady, brief courtship, he proposed vintage Tiffany Diamond ring from 1910. That would be expensive. 

Is that? 

What? 

And then we get to July 16. 

Wow. 

2000 and. 

Uh-huh. 

Five, and they invite their friends to what they say is Sandra. 'S 41st birthday. 

Ohh, it's a surprise wedding. Wow, that is exciting. 

To Fry's wedding at Plum. Yes, and it was the. The whole vibe was Vintage Western BBQ, which sounds like fun. It sounds like a good time. It sounds really down to. 

Wow, that does sound like fun that. Like. 

Think we're here for a birthday or surprise? It's a wedding. She wore satin cowboy boots and she made James's wedding band herself in his shop. So she. 

Is that right? 

Was like, yeah, I think that's lovely, that's. 

Very thoughtful. There was a hoe down. Guests sat on hay bales covered with horse blanket. 

Umm I I don't know if I'm going to a big celebrity wedding. I don't wanna be sitting on a hay Bale covered with blankets. 

Hey. 

He drove. That would be, yeah. He's a bit prickly, isn't it? He he drove in on a giant red monster truck. She walked down the aisle to a recording of her late mother, who was an opera singer performing a song. So that was touching. 

Oh wow. 

Is that right? 

And then they had a Southern style menu, fried chicken, mashed potatoes, BBQ ribs served in a tent and nearby tent. I'd say that's probably a marquee, probably a monkey for the food. It sounds like a really good time, and they sound like they're down to earth, but you know, wasn't to be. 

I'm there for that. I'm there for that. Ohh. I'd endure. I'd endure the hay bales for the food. Absolutely. Do you know the wedding bands? Nine months? What cousin lovers. 

Ah, perfect. Perfect. 

Yeah. So I'm like, are you serious? Or are you going to taking the **** a little bit here? And of course you know how they said all those things about how he assumed that she was a stuck up *****. And she assumed that he was a killer. Well, of course, after they dive. Was that that they that that was actually what they did say? 

About each other? Yes, yes. But she actually became stepmother to his three children. They had while they were together, so they separated in 2010. 

Hmm. 

They had started the process of adopting a son, Lewis, who'd started living with them in January of that year, and she went through with adopting him on her own after they split up. So she still kept, yeah, she kept adopted. 

Hmm. 

Yeah. 

Hmm. 

Well, he's a he's a. He's a bit of a pants man. 

Him. Well, that was why they split up. He's been having affairs with multiple women over multiple years. 

Jesse James, yeah. 

Lots of. 

When we say multiple we're talking about, I reckon probably over 20. 

Lots. And and some of them for, like years. Like on, like, not just flings, like ongoing relationships. 

Yeah. 

Cause then he cause. Then he shacked up with Kat Von D. 

Same did the same thing to her. 

And then he, and apparently he cheated on her as well. I mean, I I think this entire world that those people live in is all a bit weird. And for him, I know that sound. But it was him saying that he didn't kind of really fit in with it. But I I I would argue that. 

Yep, Yep. 

So he certainly made the most of his fame, didn't. 

He he wed his fourth wife in 2013 and they split in 2020 due to Ohh, what a surprise. Infidelity on his part. He got married for the fifth time in July 2022 to a 29 year old former **** star, Bonnie Rotten. 

Now I'm not a. 

Yes. 

Film critic. But. 

You're familiar with Bonnie Rotten's? Work. 

I hear she's got good range. No. Look, I I mean, but if. You're a **** star with a name like that. I'm thinking you're into some pretty. 

Hmm. 

Hmm hmm. 

Yucky. 

Anyway, I think she's better off without him. I'm angry all over again, cause I remember when this no. With with Jesse James. 

Who? Bonnie rotten. I think Bobby Rotten's probably better off about it as well. 

And I remember our team, Sandy, all the way. I remember when that happened. 

How are you? 

And I just thought ohh course. 

Oh. 

Sandy, mate, you've got, like, the best woman. She's so cool. I really like her. How dare you? How dare you do that to our Sandra? 

Yeah. I'll never understand. Yeah, these are people who either pretend to be somebody else for a living and then lose themselves in that, or they lose the I. 

Just it's the the, the, the the. 

Divorce rate, I mean in Hollywood would be exponentially higher than the real world. 

Yes, yes, yes. 

I just don't know. Who are that? Anyone's being real there. 

Hmm, I think Sandra is well. I like her. 

OK, that well, I I look, I like her too, you know, Demolition Man's a great film. That bird box movie was really good where she had to look. She. 

Good. 

Oh yes. Ohh. 

Couldn't. Look, and they had to walk around with the blindfolds on her. It was really stressful, verb. 

Stop. It's making me nervous again. That was too much. 

Yeah, that was it was very. 

Gravity was great when she was on the space station. 

And she speed. What about space? Classic classic. 

I'll speak with excellent with the boss. I mean, my gosh, like this Sandra and Keanu all-in-one. I mean, a double header. That's a couple that should have got together. Sandra Kim. 

Downing. Oh my gosh. Yes. 

Uh. 

Ohh. Perfect. She's lovely. She's lovely. We make that happen. 

Much better. 

Yes, make that happen. Somebody get on to that. Where's where's where's Dan? From my tea. 

I think I think they're both married to other people, you know. 

Can you set up Tinder profiles, Dan from IT for those two to try and get them. Together that'll be. 

Good. Alright. Get them on. Raya. Raya. Isn't that where the celebrities go? Raya. Yeah, I do. I think we're. Yeah, normal people like us that are the same. 

Is that what they're they're up to? You know what? I'd really win a heart, I reckon, too, if you sent her a. Cameo message from Warwick Capper. 

Cameo. 

Maybe Warwick could set them up. 

They go above and beyond food. Yeah, absolutely. I think we've gone above and beyond and it's time to tap out. Now we're at the end of the show, but there are things next week. 

He would, he would. Yes, please. 

And you should stick. 

Around for them, right? Yes, lots of things. And Speaking of Kat von Dee, actually, we had the premiere. Of Miami ink. 

Ohh yeah, but she wasn't on it in the first season. 

Not a. No, but you know she was on it later. Some people died of bird flu. So that was a bit of a worry. A second bombing attempt in London. Ah. 

Hmm. 

Oh gosh. 

Had a big announcement, we've got some new songs on the charts. Ohh gosh. And look, I think that's enough. Is that enough? Great, that's enough. 

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Well, that's interesting sometimes. 

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That's interesting, isn't it? 

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Found chamber with their champagne. Yeah, that'd be nice. That'd be nice. Let us. 

Alright. 

Say bye. 

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