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The year is 2005... Anakin turns to the dark side, YouTube makes its debut and we’re all couch-jumping for Maria, McDreamy and The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo…
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From Motley to midterms: Tommy Lee goes to college
Rewind to 14–20 August 2005 — the week where rockstars went back to school, storms turned Toronto into Waterworld and Kansas decided BTK’s future was forever in prison.
🪓 BTK gets the book thrown at him. Dennis Rader, the church-going, cub scout–leading *serial killer next door*, is sentenced to 175 years without parole. His floppy disk blunder remains the ultimate self-own in true crime history.
🌪 Toronto goes full disaster movie. A monster supercell drops F2 tornadoes and over 100 mm of rain in an hour, turning roads into rivers and leaving the Don Valley Parkway looking like the set of The Day After Tomorrow.
💻 iBook? More like iBrawl. In Richmond, Virginia, thousands descend on a $50 used laptop sale — with pushing, shoving and at least one chair-as-weapon incident. Someone even wet themselves to keep their spot. Peak 2005 chaos.
🐎 Madonna’s paparazzi throwdown. A chill countryside ride ends with Madge breaking ribs, a collarbone and her hand after her horse is spooked by lurking photographers. Guy Ritchie allegedly raged harder than a *Snatch* character.
💊 Eminem checks into rehab. The Rap God hits pause on touring to battle a growing Ambien addiction. Fans get “When I’m Gone” and, eventually, Recovery, but the 2005 moment was pure tabloid fuel.
📺 Tommy Lee goes to college. Mötley Crüe’s drummer swaps arenas for Nebraska lecture halls in a semi-scripted reality trip that’s equal parts frat party, fish-out-of-water and midlife crisis tourism.
📺 Big Brother’s Logan twist. Two brothers, one identity a million-dollar prize… and a rulebook so strict it fined one housemate $60k. Also, Hotdogs happened and Australia’s TV landscape was never the same.
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The year is 2005. Anakin turns to the Dark side, YouTube debuts, and we couch jump for Mariah Mcdreamy and a girl with the Dragon Tattoo t -, 20 rewind 20 years with Joe and Mel.
August 2005.
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Cracker. Don't dress me up. This is bananas.
My question is, who approved that ****?
Do you see where this is going? Not really.
You've ever found yourself randomly singing. Don't. You wish your. Insert significant other here was hot like me or wondering why everyone in 2005 was wearing von Dutch hats and screaming about iBooks. You've just stumbled into T? -20, the podcast that time travels exactly 2 decades back to dissect new. News, music, movies, meltdowns and anything that made the mid 2000s unhinged and glorious. Its nostalgia with Sass and your host Joe and Mel. Hello, Mel.
Hello this week we are rewinding 14 to 20 August 2000 and. 5.
It will be the judge reporting sentence of the court that you, Dennis L Raider, be taken by the Sheriff of Sedgwick County, Kansas, and by him delivered to the custody of the Secretary of Corrections to serve the term of life for the premeditated murder of Julie Otero.
That is the sentencing of the BTK killer finally got sentenced. And.
Got all the deeds.
It's very chilly, very, very chilling indeed.
Yeah, they punched me. Look, look at my child stroller. They're actually pulling this stampeding over those people. That damn thing with the. Hair. Does you?
An old an old.
From my life.
Man in a. Walker was trampled to the ground, trampled to the ground. Walk.
Humans with complete disregard for their own safety and the safety of others, all for a $50 laptop. Ohh, I'd probably run over an old guy for a $50 laptop. Yes, exactly.
Wow.
It's just like.
The the Boxing Day sales all over again.
Madonna has broken a collarbone of hand, three ribs, and she's been taken to hospital. More details as. We get it.
Yes, more details a little bit later on in the show Madonna had. A fall.
Ohh dear, it happens. It does happen. The old bones too. They don't bend as well as they used to.
I mean, she's getting on. She was getting on back in 2005. Dare I say it? She had a fall. Yes. They don't heal as quickly, although I'm sure when you're a celebrity, you know, and you, she probably bathes in the blood of virgins or something and makes it, you know, more healthy for her. Bones or cynic? So that's all those stories and more later.
Speaking of getting old, I saw something on the socials the other day. I follow this account on Instagram called the Xenial or Xenial edit so it's Gen X slash, millennial xennial and they posed the question. Does anyone remember?
Yeah. Zinio. Yeah. Aha, that's the US.
Back in the 90s of all the stores that had over the hill decorations, when you turned 40, AM I dreaming this? I swear I saw over the hill stuff everywhere and then it just disappears.
Ohh.
Like T shirts. Cake toppers, yes. Yeah. Badgers cuds. Yeah.
It was peak Granny made in the 90s. Hard T-shirts, hats, you know, like festive party hats, because it was somebody's 40th.
Haha. Yeah, with like over the hill printed on them or something or a flag that had over the hill in there. Yeah. It was just on everything.
Yeah. Yeah. All kinds of merchandise. The the balloons over the hill balloons, usually black. Lot of grim Reaper.
Over the hill. Yeah, yeah. All right, yeah.
Paraphernalia. Figurines.
For people in their what?
40s tombstone centrepieces coffin shaped gift boxes canes with rearview mirrors, pill bottles. Fake dentures.
14.
Canes with rearview mirrors, that's good.
Over the hill survival kits, mugs were pretty big. So I'm talking stores like water rehab. We had Granny Mays paper shop, we had cardo. A lot of those sorts of stores in the US probably.
Mugs. Yes.
Spencer's gifts? They were big. They had a whole section of over the hill paraphernalia, hallmark.
Right. Yeah. Maybe like the equivalent of what typo is now or something like that, yeah.
Yeah, go low in the UK. Hawkins Bazaar, Clintons cards, Poundland, Germany, France Poundland. That sounds like a good time.
Solo. Ohh is that is that was did did. That originate in pound town.
In Germany, for our listener over in Perth, you're over the hill paraphernalia in the 90s came from Nanu Nana.
Yes, in Hess you want city in Germany. Nanny Nana.
And it included an old fart Rd sign that said Achtung Alta.
Sahh well, yes. See that?
Which was attention old sack. That's the Germans. But because they didn't have it, there's nothing that translates directly into over the hill. They have the old sack instead of old fart your old your old sack.
Old farts, and so they refer to them as. A. Refer to people as a scrotum. Once they get over a certain age, great. The old fart was obviously the the more crude version of over the hill for people in 40s as well.
I remember when we were at World Expo 88, we went into Granny Mays Paper Shop in Brisbane and my dad saw a card that said so. The old farts turned 40 and my dad thought that was hilarious cause he wasn't 40 yet and we just kept joking and joking and we were just.
Yes. Just opposite the Donald, the daffy duck waistcoat.
Like.
Yeah, we were like. Ohh wait till you turn 40. Dad, we're gonna get. Isn't that funny? I look at people turning 40 now, having these amazing glammed up parties, and it's such a celebration and 40's the new 20 apparently. But back in the 90s that was the end. That was the end of your last basically the grim reaper's coming in.
Yeah. Yeah. Really. You are talking about. Right. Well, you were. You were at your parents 40th. So was I? Yes. And my parents, not your parents, 40s. And my parents 40th. That would be a bit strange, but yes, 40 seemed like over the hill. And now here we are. We had a 2 year old at 40.
You've turned 40. No, that would be weird. It was, yeah, it was like you've you've you're over the hill and you're you've begun your slow, inevitable slide into old age. It was meant to be funny, but it's also pretty brutal. But it just it just shows, I think, early 2000s. It was still around, but it was starting to kind of be on the out. And then you just you don't see it anymore. It's just it's just not.
It needs to be rough.
Not around and.
It's like the conversation we had last week. I told you we weren't meant. To live that long.
But it was the whole theme and I think sort of as we sat at 2010, we did have those changing views on ageing Wellness culture and it really is, it really is that celebration like I've seen some some friends recently who've turned 40 and just the beautiful fun and joy. And you know that they got their kids at their celebrations, beautiful hair and outfits and, you know, dressing up the glamour stuff, photo shoots.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
It's a far cry from over the hill and. The old farts 10:40.
Yeah, they all look so freaking young. You know, I'm. I'm on a rocket ship, hurtling towards 50.
My God, I'll be 40 again. Those are the days.
And like, yeah, I just look back on those people with jealousy and resentment. Yes, to be honest with you.
Yeah.
It's terrible. It's the hatches, matches and dispatches clue. It's probably quite appropriate, actually. I don't think there was anything significant in the births, deaths or marriages department in 2005 for this particular week. So we're gonna go with a birthday. It was a celebrity that was very big in the late 90s and the early 2000s, though that said this.
And they'd probably rather me do a Paul Newman and give him some salad dressing or or some soap. You know, they're not listening to that kind of music right now.
Yeah, they're not listening to that well and they probably wouldn't admit to it these days if I'm being honest. We'll find out who that. Is at the end of the show.
Getting a bit true crime this week, turning into a true crime podcast, the 18th of August. We have the sentencing of Dennis Radar, who Wichita based serial.
Great.
Killer, infamously known as BTK, not to be confused with B2K.
Ohh for the ohh yes, not the boys of the new elenium. Hey, that's what I was thinking of.
It's of the new.
Millennium not the boys of the new. Millennium this is a. This is bind torture kill slightly different, only slightly.
Ohh OK cool. So it's a metal band then is it?
He was punished. No joke. 10 consecutive life sentences totaling at least 175 years without parole, which is the harshest punishment, Kansas.
Yes, he was a terrible guy. Dennis later. Yeah.
Could deliver at the. Time to one of the most notorious serial killers in American history. Not.
Yeah, he's up there with, like, your Ted Bundys. And your alarm. Is that your alarm for your pills or to go to bed?
It's probably bedtime. Actually, it's bedtime.
With you go time to go to bed, listen to a true crime podcast before you, honestly.
I've gotta have my magnesium hot chocolate first. The magnesium and it's got what? That what's that ashwander stuff that's supposed makes makes you.
Oh, good, excellent. Ashwaganda, I don't know. Isn't that the country that they get the medal from in the in the?
I think it helps. Just be calm. Think it calms you and helps you fall asleep. Maybe some milk Thistle.
In the Marvel films. Ohh right. I thought that's where they got vibranium. Ohh, that's Wakanda. Sorry. Yes.
Don't know. Why I'm?
That's my alarm for my. Yeah, my Wellness drink. But anyway, that's fine.
Yes. No, he's up there with Ted Bundy. And like John Wayne Gacy, he's a very bad man.
But not just because his crimes were so horrific, but he had this really disturbing double life. He was seem a seemingly normal family man, also a church leader, church leader.
It's always the always the quiet ones, yes.
So the crimes BTK.
Mm-hmm.
As we say, sign, torture, kill.
This is like over almost well, not quite 30 years, but started in the mid 70s and finished in the early 90s, yeah.
Yeah, 70s in the 90s, he murdered 10 people. Hmm. Victims ranged from young children to older women. Most were stalked beforehand. And in one of them it was a whole family for family members killed two children.
Yes, the the Atero family. Yes. Yeah, that was. That was early 70s. That was 1970.
4 Shirley Vian and Nancy Fox. He'd made anonymous calls to the police after killing Nancy.
Yeah, that was in 1977.
Marine hedge and neighbour and acquaintance and her body was found in a ditch.
1985. If that was.
And Dolores Davis was his final known victim.
In 1991, so he spread. It's weird. Like he kind of spread them out 74 to 77 to 85 to 91. Yeah. So what he used to do is he break into their house after he stalked them and planned everything. And then he he blindfolded them with rope or tape and then tortured and killed them, usually by strangling them. Very gross. Took souvenirs.
That's a long time frame, hmm.
Sometimes posed with the bodies and took photos, wrote taunting letters to the police, and the newspapers signed BTK, almost as if he wanted to get famous or caught. And in the 70s, I think he was sending letters to newspapers and the police bragging about what he'd done as well, and then he'd go quiet. And then, like, I think. I think he went quiet for about a decade and then in 2004 he resumes contact with the police, which sets the investigation off again. They're like he's back at it again, sends packages, word puzzles, floppy discs, word puzzles. Yeah, he said he's like a Batman villain or.
Hmm.
Word puzzles. Was it like sending them wordles?
What the what you see?
Like that? Yeah. Ridiculous. And that that's what actually led to his his capture. So it was the disc. Yeah.
The floppy disc? Yeah, well, he asked police if a floppy disc could be traced if he sent. One and the police said no, but they were lying and he believed them, so he sent a floppy disc, which was traced to his churches confusion.
The method that must be in the metadata you didn't know about metadata and that's what's brought.
No, it was traced to the church computer with the username Dennis Dennis from church. They then obtained a DNA sample from his daughter's pap smear.
Me and done. Hmm.
With a warrant.
Yeah.
And matched it to the DNA from the crime section.
That's right. I don't think they kicked the door in and said we're gonna do a pass. I think they were just like they obviously they had it on hand and they were like, do you mind?
They had it on hands. They had it on. They had. We've got a warrant and.
If we. Just have a quick look at that. Yes, and that tied. Tried her to him. And yes, which is a kind of a roundabout way of doing it. I've I did find that a bit like.
We're just gonna.
Get it? Traced of stuff. I've never. I've never heard of it. Yeah. Perhaps smear bringing down a serial killer before.
Yes, it's notorious, but obviously the the family, no idea that dad is a serial killer.
No, no, no. Imagine finding out your daddy serial killer.
Wow. Wow. And and imagine going for a pap smear. And that was the result you got back. Just going in for a Pap smear. Sorry. Your cervix is fine, but your your father's a serial killer came back positive. Yes. Yeah, it's that is just full on, isn't it?
What would you do?
Ohh, your results serial killer. Pap smear came back. Serial killer Grace grace. Yes.
So and like he, he confessed to everything. They they arrested him. He confessed to everything. Yep, I did it all all. One of them, no remorse whatsoever, referred to them as projects, projects. The killings described himself as having a a factor that just compelled him to kill a factor X, he said, and so they sentenced him on the 18th of August in 2005 to 10 consecutive life sentences, which was 175 years.
None.
Hmm.
Will face for the record, the only available sentence in all of these cases is life. The only difference between these various sentences is that in regards to count 10 there is available to the Court a sentence referred to commonly as a hard 40 sentence. But in regards to count 1, I would ask that you stand Mr Raider. It will be the judgement order and sentence of the court that you Dennis L Raider, be taken by the Sheriff of Sedgwick County, Kansas, and by him delivered to the custody of the Secretary of Corrections to survey term of life for the. Murder. Premeditated murder of Joseph Potera.
And so it goes. They they did that for every single victim. So it was a long sentencing. But he was really infamous for the fact that he was just so emotionless. And matter of fact about it as well. He's very clinical. When he was describing what he did in his confession. And he had no problem going into that detail. And that was the.
Hmm.
And through the list.
Yes.
This this contrast because it is like the game. The gig is up so like because he's like publicly he was this this wholesome church guy and then he's a monster. And then when the jig is up and he's just no remorse and he's just talking about, oh, it's horrific. Hmm. But he was obsessed with that control and ritual and attention, which is, I guess, probably pretty standard for a lot of serial killers, which is why I think you've got to just, you know, be a bit kind to some of the. The quiet people and and and even some of the ones that are a bit sort of Ned Flanders over the top as. Well, cause you just. Never know. You never know. It could be your dad.
Right.
Ohh gosh, isn't that horrific? Could.
Be dad, imagine.
That, sorry. We'll talk about the weather. Most dads. That's a dad thing. Talking about the weather. Let's go out to the backyard and check the rain gauge. Don't check the weather station. That's right. That's what you get over 50 instead of an over the hill card these days, you get a weather station. That's how you know that's the new. That's the PC version of the over the hill.
Yes, let's move on. Change of pace now. Now to the now to the weather reports.
At the weather. Beautiful.
Card. You get a weather station if you're in Toronto on the 19th of August, your weather station in 2005 would have been going.
She's gone berserk.
Hmm.
Crazy because there were supercell storms there.
Yes, absolutely. Hmm, fueled by cold front sweeping through Ontario on August 19.
That's that's right, yes. Don't back chat me, my weather station says so too.
Triggering multiple F2 tornadoes devastating flash floods impacting Greater Toronto, one of Canada's costliest weather. Spent. Ever.
Yes, there was 3 confirmed tornadoes from the the Big supercell storm with F2 strength winds. It's F2 cause it's. Like that twice. 180 to 250 kilometres an hour in West Toronto and and a possible unconfirmed twister within the city limits of Toronto as well. Not a good day in Toronto, it turned into torrential rain. North York in Toronto, there recorded 103 millimetres in an hour.
Hmm. 9.
That's a lot of rain. That's a lot of rain. Thornhill, 175 millimetres in an hour. Rain gauge, mate, you gotta all you gotta tip it out and then you're like, oh, I've lost counts. You gotta stand out there and manually do it. Terrible.
Oh geez, that is. Sector rain gauge. Overflowing. Overflowing.
Three hail that's bad. Especially when you check in the rain gauge. Thunder Lightning, especially if your rain gauge is on the steel pole. Terrible. And then flooding as well because you have to keep bailing out the rain gauge everywhere. So Don River in Toronto overflows, shuts down all the roadways, everyone's trapped fire and the Marines are carrying out rescues. It was actually it was terrible.
Ohh yes.
The Super cells that spawn tornadoes have other serious side effects.
Ohh my God.
Lightning that strikes hundreds every.
It's just it just knocked everyone down. Wow.
Tail that falls with a violent force.
It's terrible and we were scared.
And micro versus the dropping planes from the sky. The devastating weather of supercells nature at its fiercest.
Yeah, I you know what I reckon that is probably one of the most pointless grabs I have ever put into.
Its faces.
I was like, what is this? Documentary is this.
I just felt I just felt like I wanted something to make this particular news story pop and I like I didn't have a grab, so I just found some bit about super self just in case you didn't think our explanation was serious enough, I thought some from YouTube would have helped as.
Yes, just to demonstrate the seriousness of supercells supercells. That that music was very, very soon.
Oh, sorry about that. But you know, you do get what you pay for. Free podcast. Yeah, there's.
500.
500. A lot of screaming. It sounded dangerous. 500 million. It exceeded in in terms of insured losses that's in Canadian.
It did, right? Yeah. See, it puts it into perspective and you could tell that from how dramatic that grab be like that's that, that, that thing could quite easily do 500 million Canadian dollars worth of damage. That's right.
Dollars one of the. 1,000,000 into the millions, hundreds of 1,000,000 largest insurance claims events in their history. Twice the damage of the 1998 ice storm. Do you have any information about ice storms that can give us the seriousness of an ice storm?
I I don't have anything about ice storms except that that I reckon hail probably moves to the forefront a little bit in that the ice storm say. Like it would be more menacing than a supercell, though.
I feel like an ice storm would birth a mythical creature feel like that's when you'd find after the ice storm, there'd be a there'd be a Yeti or something.
Yeah. Like a. Yeah, it's very Game of Thrones. You know, winter is coming, right?
Maybe that's when the Bigfoot came. Maybe that's when. Yeah, who knows? But good news, nobody died.
Or possibly. Possibly. Yeah. So we can joke about it. It's fine. People just lost their homes. You know, flooded basements. Terrible, that's terrible.
It is and travel obviously at a standstill.
Yeah, no good for the people in Toronto. Thus concludes our weather report for this week.
Across the area.
So while we're on a roll. Let's move on to technology.
Yes, this is an interesting technology story, not.
Well, it's kind of it's a bit, it was loose. I just thought we Chuck it in technology cause it's about technology, even if it's obsolete technology.
Well, you know, it was popular at the time. Well.
Yeah, it was. But it was also time for an upgrade, which is why I think that it was such a bargain. This particular piece of technology.
Umm the ibook?
The ibook, the apple laptops. The iBooks. Remember when they used to call them?
IBooks, I like ibook better than iMac. Do you? Yeah, I miss ibook. I thought that was.
You. Do you?
Good.
Umm.
But perhaps ibook is better applied to maybe an iPad because.
Well, I think that's obviously, you know it's going to blur the lines a little bit it's going.
What you read? Your books on.
To make it come I liked. Yeah. MacBook sound like, yeah, ibook was better cause it's got the I ibook. Now it's MacBook.
Confusing. Yeah, I book iMac. It's right.
Yeah, they should have stayed with it.
Do you reckon?
In my opinion.
Well, would you like me? No, I I I. Well, I'm just, I I don't know. I don't wanna get kicked off Apple Podcasts.
I feel like you're disagreeing.
I.
Don't know saying that I hate MacBook. I'm just saying.
They're like, no, no, no. They're like, they're ibook. They'll be. I can hear it now. And Apple headquarters. There's, like, claxon's going off. Big red lights. Ohh. Got. We've got a naysayer, and they're gonna come and kick our door in.
They can hear you.
Any second now. Ohh dear. No, they're not. These were Speaking of kicking doors in Richmond, VA. Thousands of people Stampede. At the Richmond International Raceway to obtain. Yeah, they were. They held it. It's like, you know, well, you do when they're not racing cars, they're like Exhibition Park. OK, you know, at the Raceway. So they probably have, like, a farmers market there on a Saturday morning.
Oh, the Raceway. With the drag cars where you know the cars and the smashing cars and OK, yeah. I was just visualising the cars and someone yelling and.
Lifeline might do their their bookstore and in, yes. And in this case, the Henrico County School District, we're doing a sale with 1000. I books that they were gonna sell for 50 bucks a pop.
Lego Lego exhibit.
So I books. Yes, decommissioned. They're being liquidated. Ohh 17. People suffer minor injuries. 4 require hospital treatment.
So are they ex school, iBooks? Are they brand new?
Ohh my God.
What was once a sale? Is now a mob scene.
That.
Thousands of people who want a $50 ibook, but only 1000 of those laptop computers are for sale in all amounts to this.
Push me. Look at my look at my child stroller. They're actually pulling this stampeding over those people that down there now with the. Hand us you an old.
I know.
Man and a. Walker was trampled to the ground, trampled to the ground, walked all over.
Thousands more are. Pushed to the ground as the crowd races to get. Through the gates, almost a victim A1 year old baby, her father pulled her out of this stroller.
Look at the stroller strollers. The molest look at that stroller. Get look at the picture of.
That look at my knees just started kicking the people.
A grandmother pushed aside.
Kicking time to get off like that.
Well.
To her rescue, a man who had been standing in line since 2:00 AM, he was almost guaranteed to get one of. The coveted computers.
Because I just want it.
I'm not going to leave somebody that could have been in the line, so I'm not going to do it cause it's not really worth it.
As one would be, shopper is carried away in a stretcher. Others echo that same sentiment. It just wasn't worth it.
The worst thing that ever done.
Once organised in Russell County event.
Ohh my goodness.
Ohh it was.
Chaos that sounds like. Remember the old Boxing Day sales that people would punch on and fight each other through the gates?
Chaos. Well, yeah. I just think it's like the promo, right? Like it's like bring your truck, bring your trailer this Tuesday, Tuesday only at the the Henrico County School system of the the Richmond International Raceway. We're gonna give away 1001 thousand. I've all gotta go 1000. iBooks $50 as as row this deal won't last forever. So be there or some.
The rice bring the truck. Bring the truck.
Like that. And so they've got they've got 1000. Macbooks.
And a crowd of up to five crowd of up to 11,000 people.
Sorry, they've got 1000. iBooks. My bad. Yeah, some people say 5000. Some people say 11,000 anyway. Whatever it was, it was far more than 1000 people were queued up as early as 1:30 in the morning. Like, that's like that guy. He's the real hero. No, he's the real hero. He's like, it's not worth it. I've been here since. Yeah, I would have been like, I've been here since 2:00.
Do the maths.
What was that guy? Sue? How? How ****** would he be, though? He would have got one for sure and helped him.
It is worth it.
I'm I'm. I'll just go in and pick up my MacBook as if I reckon he was worth it I.
I'll help you on the way back.
I think he's foolish. I reckon he's got it stashed in a bag and he's been because he's been there since 2:00 AM. That guy, he's been on the way out and seen the old lady fall over and help her and the news people are like, did you get one? He's like, oh, no, no, I didn't get one.
Maybe you're going to get mine.
I was here since 2:00 AM, but I didn't get one. I chose to help this old lady. I'm calling BS on that story.
Chaos. Chaos. We heard. We heard it first hand. Look at their chair, thrown over their shoulder. Yeah.
Was chaos.
Something they.
Yes.
I think that was Jesse Sandler.
Yeah, he said. I took my direct quote from him, took my chair, threw it over.
Someone paid themselves. Someone paid someone on herself rather than lose her place in line.
My shoulder. What? ****** themselves. Ohh, I'd rather pee myself than miss out on. This great deal.
She actually did, reportedly urinated on. Herself, rather than lose her face? No.
Do you reckon? I hope she got it.
I hope so too. Umm.
Hope she got it after all that, that's terrible.
People being knocked over a car trying to.
Force its way through the crowd.
Yeah, somebody tried to ram through the crowd with the car. It was nobody died, though, so that's OK, right? But I think, and I think it, they learned a lot of lessons like, you know.
Well.
Maybe don't don't do that. Just don't.
The charts pretty much.
Ohh, actually no. We got a new number one in Australia. That's an old number. One, it's been number. One before, but it's now come back to.
Ohh right.
Number one so.
What? What is it?
It's not the crazy frog. It's lonely by Akon.
Hi miss.
Mr Lonely, I have nobody. Call my girl. Can't believe I had a girl like you when I just let you walk, right? Out of my life, after all.
Ohh that was good.
It's great. Same number one in the UK, James Blunt.
You're beautiful. You're beautiful.
You're beautiful. It's true. I saw your face.
And.
And I don't know why.
That was good.
And the top five in the US.
I've got a cute face, chubby wife. Never.
3.
Your girlfriend was a freak like me, like me.
Came along.
There's nothing doing there that's just like a switch between 2:00 and 3:00, like it's just Pussycat Dolls and Rihanna have just changed places.
Yes, otherwise the same.
Yeah, whatever. I think there's more important things going on in music news.
The very latest now Madonna is said to be in hospital with serious injuries after falling off her horse while celebrating her 47th birthday. Let's find out what we can from our showbiz correspondent skies, Matt Smith and still in hospital as we speak. Matt.
Yeah, we understand that she's been taken to a local accent and emergency unit. Madonna was apparently riding. Out on her stations, it's big estate in Wiltshire, so just to repeat, what we know, Madonna has broken a collarbone. Her hand, three ribs and she's been taken to hospital. More details as we. Get it? That's a.
Big a big fall.
That's a lot of that's a lot of, yeah, injuries.
That is a big fall, her 47th birthday on the 16th of August 2005, meaning McDonald's 67. Yeah, Jesus.
Hmm.
She's going well.
That's she's doing great. I love Madonna too. I just. It just makes me feel, oh, I just didn't. She didn't. I didn't. I didn't think that Madonna was 67.
I love Madonna.
I remember this news.
I thought she might have been like early 60s, not late 60s. Hmm. But she's going for a a horsey ride. Hmm. Round the grounds of her estate.
No.
Yeah, I would have said late 50s, if I was guessing. Well, there's the Paparazzi's fault, the paps.
That's right, they spooked the horse fence.
I hope I hope she sued well actually, and I hope they paid the medical bills. That's expensive. That many broken things.
I'm sure she would have. I mean she, yes. She, well, the horse threw her. It's it's especially expensive when you sort of rely on your physical appearances and and stuff to perform.
And she would have had a lot of radio radiation because that's. Three X rays at least. Ohh. X Ray on the ribs and collarbone and on the hands. It's a.
Yeah. And on the hand, yes, it.
Lot. It's a lot to put your body through.
Is. She was conscious through the whole thing because she's Madonna and she's tough. She went to Salisbury District Hospital. She came out the same day, same day. I don't know that she got back on the horse straight away, but her publicist said that there was definitely because of the photographers.
Who she was. No problem. Got back on. That horse? Probably.
And then she was she was actually promoting her children's book, the.
Ohh.
Lotsa lots of decasia.
It was about an Italian greyhound who learns the moral money can't buy happiness.
Yeah. Did you know that? Did you know that Madonna released it? I know you know, some other children's book as well. Yeah. Hmm. That's right. Good. So the public were very angry at the paparazzi for hurting our Madonna and Guy Ritchie, who was with her at.
She was doing the. Books a. Few years ago. Yes, and you're making a joke about it.
The time. He he was furious against geographers. Yes, yes. And she was alright. Though you know, I mean she she released an album I think later. Or she's about to in a couple of months. In November 2005. The confessions on a dance floor.
So, well, I fell off a horse.
And she's dancing around. A lot too. So she recovered well, I remember.
Yes, she did. I mean, she didn't. Yeah, she didn't break a leg or.
The video but for that.
Anything.
No, still, you know broken hand.
Broken hand. Yeah. Well, what? What are you dance with with your hand? Ohh. You can't do the Diwali clappy.
Stuff I.
Don't know. Ohh, I guess evoking might have changed a bit.
It was always very active.
Because you do the vogue with the hands in front of the face, you know? Yeah. So yeah.
Yeah. She's.
Very rhythmic and obviously prompted discussions about celebrity, privacy and paparazzi conduct, particularly in rural areas where the celebrities were basically trying.
Hmm.
Trying to retreat from the paparazzi. And then they've come out there in their ghillie suits.
To hide from.
Them.
Yes.
Scaring horses.
Fighting in the bushes and scaring the horses. I mean, you know, there's nothing sacred anymore.
Nothing sacred, because we also found out on the 18th of August that Eminem was in rehab.
Well, yes, he was. He checked in to treat a dependence on he. I don't know if it was it says Ambien, but I remember him talking about Vicodin more than anything. Maybe there's kind of a similar thing. He cancelled his European Tour because of exhaustion and medical issues, which was basically that he was going to rehab. So. He was on tour. He's he's an insomniac. He can't sleep. He's only getting an hour a night. He's taking sleep. And pills and that that's making him reliant on, I dare say they're not working M&M's, if you're, you know, maybe you're maybe they are only M&M's, they're not ambiens.
Yeah.
Well, maybe he should have had my magnesium hot chocolates with their ashka wonder or whatever it is. Ashley, what is it, ash, ash wonder.
That's right, a magnesium hot chocolate. As well as the with the Wakanda, with the Wakanda. Yes. Anyway, it didn't help him and he just, you know, and so his publicist was like, yeah, he's gone to rehab. He went to rehab on the 19th of August to everyone because he's got a dependency on sleep, medication prescription. That's.
No.
I guess it was. It wasn't the paparazzi, then. It was the publicist. So he would have had permission to say that. That's OK then I guess.
No.
Hmm.
Hey, just.
Yeah, they weren't hiding. In bushes, scaring his horse around.
He described it as unhelpful, saying that he felt too exposed by fame, unable to relax and ultimately leaving early before detox. Because I guess everybody in there would have known it. Was. Like celebrity rehab.
Well, no. He lasted. I think he only lasted about 3 weeks According to him.
At the time in 2005, when. I ended up in rehab. I had to like while I was in there, I really had to, like, reassess, go back and like, just evaluate and and just reassess things and and slow down.
Security.
My next. I was clean for I think 3 weeks total like I only stayed in rehab for two weeks because when I went to rehab. It just it. It felt like everyone else. Was ready for me. To go, but I wasn't ready. So so I stayed for two weeks. I detoxed I tried to like work the programme and I tried, but everything they were saying, I kind of in the back of my mind, I knew like, and once I get out of here, I'm going right back to what I was doing.
So there you go. It wasn't very effective for it, but he it it got a bit more serious I think a few years later in 2007 when he had that methadone overdose. Yeah, that cause he nearly died. After that, and I think that was the the real tipping point. So this was kind of a precursor to that.
Yeah, that's when he committed.
And clearly wasn't.
To right is that when Elton jumped aboard and became his sponsor, yeah, intervened.
I think Elton might have got involved and helped him out, but the I don't think he was ready to to get to commit at this stage in spite of actually going.
None. There no, but it was his first public acknowledgment of his substance issues which had affected him because he had the encore album as well and.
Well, it's a start. It's a good start, yes.
We talked about how. Some of it was leaked and had to quickly rewrite it, but it wasn't. It wasn't the best album and I think people were saying that he.
No, that's right.
Was heavily under the effects of substances at the time and obviously very stressed out with the the songs leaking and then having to come up with new material. Yes. And then the the grind of touring too. He was touring for a long time.
Hmm.
Yeah. Well, when you. Talk about material. I mean, he kind of leaned into it a little bit with future material cause it's like relapse in 2009 and then recovery in 2010 and which were and the theme of that was all about his sobriety as well, which is.
So that would be.
Hmm.
He did.
Yeah.
Probably a little bit more boring. Compared to the we. Do because we like to do all which Eminem do we like? Do we like serious Eminem, or do we like crazy Eminem?
Oh, what an eye.
Just like why? I mean all of. The charts now. Doesn't it?
I just think he's amazing, though. I I like that he can go from one extreme to the other and I just think he's he's rapping is incredible. He's lyrics are incredible.
Yes.
I don't, I don't. Minds, which genre and I like that he breaks it up. I like that he does the zany crazy stuff every now and then, and then he'll do the really serious stuff as well.
And he's he's he's like a fine wine. He's ageing, so he's getting a little bit wiser, so a little bit of. Wisdom in the wraps now as well.
Ohh, but he'll still fight people. Who was it that?
I love that.
He hated that was good.
Machine Gun Kelly. Ohh. He eviscerated him with me. That was he eviscerated Machine Gun Kelly so much he switched genres.
That was so good I loved. He slapped him into another genre. Fabulous.
He slapped him in the pop pants and said don't ******* come back here mate.
Force you to.
I actually missed this last week. I'm kind of sorry we didn't do it, but because I feel like it needs to be more of a mainstay. We do it every couple of weeks and it's like. It's always great when we open it.
People hanging out for.
When we open up the boom box.
Just a bit more time to select a boom as well. I just.
I just. Well, yeah, because there there's so many. There's so many booms to choose from. And and if you think your boom is worthy of being chosen from, you just gotta all you gotta do is message US t -, 20 podcast on all the socials, Instagram, Facebook.
There is.
TikTok, all of that stuff, you can message us on any one of those platforms if you're savvy, you can do an audio one and we can play it. You can hear yourself on a podcast. You'll be like back in the day where it's like I was on the radio, you remember?
Do an audio. 1. An. And we'll. You. That's the word, isn't it? Yes, like that. And you could turn the tape deck on and you'd record this. It was like when I won the hot 8 at 8. When I I guess the number one song deep, deep trouble by Bart Simpson.
It's a big deal. Right.
Yeah, I've got that on cassette somewhere. Me calling up the radio and they made me bark like a dog. And then everybody at school teased me the next day. And they're like, that's cause you are a dog. And then I was like ohh well, I won. I won Danny Minogue. Love and kisses on record. So up yours anyway, got.
Yep, you're on. That's horrible. Yeah, exactly. So it's it's it's, it's on the radio. It's like you. And if you're on the TV, I'm gonna be on the TV. Oh, my God. You are an urban legend.
Over it.
But yeah, you could record yourself on the.
Oh God.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I was.
Or send us a video message.
I know we. Yes, you could send us a video message. We'll put it on the socials and use the audio from it as well. I'll be able to figure that out.
And we'll put it on the socials.
Perfect. Perfect.
It's it's funny because we used to be on the radio like full time and that's why we do this now because we can't get a job on the radio full time and radio doesn't pay very well. If I'm being honest, they couldn't.
Hmm hmm.
Afford us but. This is my list of demands and I will not even be setting foot in that studio. Until they are met, no. But I was on the radio the other day.
I know. But you were on one of the oldest day on the older station. Weren't you, love? Were you on the gardening gurus?
I was on the ABC, I was on ABC News Radio. Shout out. Shout out to Laura, Chewing Gurian, who is the the Dr presenter on ABC News Radio. A very big fan of hers and she was very lovely and when we were talking about Aussie passing away a couple of weeks ago, well I was distraught that week and she actually she was like do you want to talk on air about it? And I was like, yes I do.
Says Skype.
Do and I did, and then I felt a lot better and I was on the radio too, so I felt like I was famous again. It was wonderful. But this is your chance to be famous if you want with your boom. It's a safe space where you and I and I went off on a bit of a tangent there because that's what sometimes.
It's lovely.
It was lovely.
Old people do, but. It's it's no judgement, no judgement in this particular.
No, no.
Part of the show, no judgement anything that you've got a problem with that you think some young upstart would turn around and say, OK, boomer, to you that won't happen here, so you can share it here free of judgement, free of condescension. All you will get is support and mutual appreciation. When we open up the boom box.
Yes to that, that.
Was a lot.
Of work. It was a big intro. Yes, I I'm beyond ready. Yes, sorry.
Are we ready? Think we're.
Ready. Can you shut up? Boom comes from signal on the Twitter.
Hmm this week.
Signal is in the app that's untraceable.
Yeah, but it's got a normal out. And they've spelt it fancy.
Ohh man, it's a signal like that's edgy, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah, I'm not criticising. It's a safe space. OK.
Very edge and they've got a blue.
Tick.
They've got a blue tick, but I think.
Wow.
Anyone can have? A blue tick on that, isn't it?
If they pay for it, if they pay Elon, they can. Yeah. If he doesn't have enough money already. No, I don't. It's gross. It's no, no.
I don't know how that works. I'm not on the. I'm not on the Twitter off my Twitter behind. When you change it.
Anyway, every millennial is now paying Apple 999 per month for two terabytes just to not delete their life.
Oh my God.
That is great.
Isn't it just that is it that's very triggering that statement?
I'm just gonna pay for more storage because I've just. I don't know what all these things and I think I wanna keep them. And I've got 20 clouds. I don't even know what are in what's in the clouds, but I'll buy another. I'll buy another cloud. Whatever. Yeah.
They have even my passwords are in there now.
Yeah, whatever cause I'm too lazy. I'm too lazy to print my photos. Got all these photos, all these screenshots of random products and things that I might like to buy.
Purchasing all these clouds? Yeah. I'm actually thinking of branching out into investment clouds to see if I can make a bit bit of a profit.
I don't even know how to.
Get to my cloud.
Ohh really what you gotta do is pull a piece of hair out of your chest. You go.
It's got all my stuff in it.
And then it flies down and you jump on it, and then it's like, and this little song comes over, born from and it's on a mountain top.
Just magically appear. Take me to all my things. Take me to all my photos and passwords and screenshots and spreadsheet.
Mel has her daughter up in the cloud haha.
Awesome. Who knows what's in there? I don't even know.
Hmm. Concur. That's a very good boom.
Yeah, we'll just keep paying more money. Oh, were you waiting for me to talk? I could tell by the sip. You were gonna make me. I didn't see you point. You pointed too low. Couldn't see it.
I was. I'll point it. Yes. OK. Well, it's rude to anyway.
Through your ibook. Sorry, four brothers is number one at the US.
He's just seen all the old people. I have the Stampede for this eyeball.
Box office.
I heard you stampeded A pram and you pushed an old guy with a. Walker over.
Elbows out, yeah.
And you made a lady pee herself.
Her ******* went down hard. It was good.
Four brothers, this number one.
Ohh. Four brothers. Yeah. So it's a Mark Wahlberg film. I think we still weren't sick of. Him at this stage though.
Evelyn Mercer, the greatest mother Ford degenerates ever had.
What makes a brother?
You're going to stick around a little while this time.
Thinking about him and it's. More than the colour of your. I'm your uncle Bobby. Your grandma. She adopted me and Uncle Jack like she did your daddy.
So why?
It's the people you call. She only came across 4 delinquents so far gone. She couldn't find anyone to take them in. So she.
Did try one more time.
Get him, Jerry. Yeah. Get him, Jerry.
Hey.
God forgive you.
Because some bonds are stronger than blood.
No sins of man will go unpunished.
Amen.
She's the only woman that ever gave a damn. And the least we can do is go bang on.
A few doors.
That was, yeah, four brothers. I was expecting it to be about Thai food or Italian 4 brother, four brothers Italian or four brothers Thai, it sounds.
Why?
Like a restaurant, there's just.
What? Ohh, it sounds like a restaurant.
Always number of brothers. Did you see there's a guy on Instagram? Them who wanted to see how many brothers he could find in the restaurant. So he went around the world looking for restaurants that had number of brothers. And I think he got up to something like 12, like 12 brothers Italian or something. Yeah, lots of brothers. He. Lots of arguments. I'd say in the kitchen. So I was expecting it.
Is the title. 12. Thought that's big. 12 brothers. Well, yes. Hmm.
Food related, but it's not. It's about four adopted brothers. Bobby Angel, Jeremiah and Jack after. So someone adopted them and then she got murdered. And so they came to avenge her death and find the killer. That's right. Did you watch?
And it was not. No, it was it just a big jump, a big dumb action movie. Yes. Yes. It is. It yes, directed by John Singleton. Who and I think I expected more because of it being John Singleton, but it wasn't great. It was a bit mediocre. Mark Wahlberg played Bobby the the temper field brother Tyrese Gibson, Angel the Marine, the former Marine brother, torn between Judy and his emotions. He was.
Yeah.
Those.
Andre Benjamin. From outcasts, isn't it? Is that Andre 3000? I think he was the Family Guy. And then Garrett Hedlund, who played Jack, who was the sensitive myth dishing Guy, had a bit bit of a trauma and identity kind of thing going on like it's, you know.
That's Andre, 3000.
Hmm.
It's on premise.
It's like that fast and furious style. Action movie where it's like tough guy, heart of gold type thing from wrong side of blocks but actually really bad guys, good guys lines blur. Word W WE attitude error type. I don't know where I'm going with that, but it was just mediocre. This is the critics, 52% on Rotten Tomatoes. IMDb like a 6.8. You know if they had if they had stuck the landing, you know, a little less of a splash they might have. Got A7.
Yeah, some pretty big no.
Isn't it? Yeah. Well.
Nobody gives it.
Wedding Crash is still #1 here in Australia.
Yeah, that's what we gave about. Everyone was keen for the installment Isla Fisher in there, but Big TV show though in the US premiering with a a very big character in Motley Cruise, Tommy Lee who went to college.
Our island, our island. Yes, from the movies.
Permission. Criminal law, chemical engineering. Now killer. This is unbelievable. These long hallways scare me. Wow, this class is crazy. Dude, I think I'm going to. Cry. I mean, no. I'm not a quitter, so I'm going to stick it out, even if I just squeak. It will be better than quitting. I'm gonna nail this.
I, Tommy Lee has nailed a few things in his time and I'm not sure going to college was one of them, but he this was an interesting premise because we've gone from celeb reality to like let's have a look at celebrities in their home and how they interact with their families and stuff to like. Let's let's do the.
Yeah, fly on the. Wall, that's.
Let's do the classic fish out of water thing with the celebrity and the celebrity reality. And let's send somebody like Tommy Lee to college.
Fish out of water? Yeah.
Well, it's kind of like simple life, same sort of. Thing, isn't it?
Yeah, added like it wasn't terrible, but it wasn't anything great either. It was just this like. Tommy Lee cruising around college. They're having conversations with attractive young girls when he's pushing. I don't know, 40, something early 40s, well over the hill then. Yeah. Yeah.
This thing someone.
He was early 40s, I think 20 sister. He was over the hill. Exactly. He's a former high school dropout, so he takes on it well. It was fake. It was a. So. College experience at the University of Nebraska? Yeah. He attempts dorm life, chemistry, marching, band trial, I remember.
Yes.
That episode with the marching.
Yes, he got really frustrated because he couldn't nail the drum parts. Yeah.
Band. He got very angry, didn't he? Athletics. I remember him running. He wasn't very good at that. And he started a fraternity called the House of Lee. So a lot of it was clearly staged. The dorm and the scripted scenarios. But I think people found him relatively likeable in that show.
There we go. Set up. Well, he's very childlike. He's very immature, dude.
But he's also he is a little bit charming.
Tommy. Ohh. He's very charming. You don't you know? You don't get to marry Heather Locklear or Pamela Anderson without a little bit of personality and charm.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like you see.
Hmm.
And I know I was saying like last week, it's kind of a bit icky when you know the the old guys, creeping on everyone at bar night. But I think if it was Tommy Lee, you'd probably.
Yeah, he's got hepatitis and a massive ****.
Show.
Why not? Let's move over to Australian reality TV. Well, we've got the winner of Big Brother.
Ohh please.
This is Big Brother. Like brand new Tim, the time in the House is almost over. Prepare yourselves. You'll be leaving shortly.
Be fellow.
That's when they changed the Big Brother voice. I hated that season. I'm like, I'm sorry. No, that's that's like the other guy that my grandma used to whistle at when he asked if he.
Know it's like an obscene phone caller, yes.
Could work for her naked.
And he sounds like he's talking to them through like a latex mask or something. It's really creepy. Yeah, cereal.
Very. Sorry, don't.
That Big Brother and.
You are all over.
He had a bit of mouth noise too.
It's a little bit BTK, if I'm being honest. Yeah. Yeah, right. Do you remember this series, though, where? It's like Greg, Greg and Tim, wasn't it or?
Yes, should have had a green apple first. I. I actually stopped watching.
Greg David.
Thing that yeah, Greg and David, but they're they were the Logan twins because they were Logan, but they were one guy and they kept switching them in and out. I think I've watched the start because I was interested. I was interested in that. And then I just got bored.
That's right. Switching them in and out, which I thought I actually thought that was pretty cool. Like, yeah. So they had the twins in the house and that nobody had none of the housemates knew they were twins and they would.
Switch them in and they get suss on them. At one stage I think some of them.
I think they eventually found out that they were. It only took them a week, I think, and they found out, yes, they did cause David, one of them got evicted. David got evicted. Greg was the one who remained. And then it came down to Greg and Tim.
There was something, yeah.
Is everybody OK? Can I have the envelope please? Are we ready? Are you ready? Yeah. Congratulations to all of you.
I didn't say.
The winner of Big Brother 2005. He's the Logan.
They go crazy. I didn't think the two of them could win, but I guess that they did it as the like. They went in as one housemate.
Hello, Tim. But they got half. Yeah, they and they, they split the money between them and this was the year when they started fining them for breaking the rules. So they took that off the prize money. Yeah.
Yes. So it wasn't $1,000,000 cause it was $1,000,000 and then I was like oh it's finally $1,000,000 cause I think. The first one was. Like 100K or something? Yeah. And then they got money, and then they got sponsors. So this is 1,000,000 bucks. But then they took money away from them.
Yeah.
Umm, when they did. The wrong thing. Yes. Yeah. So I think there was one chick in there, Michelle, who got fined. $60,000 or bracked up a.
Please, you'd be annoyed at.
Few. Michelle Geneva, I think was a. The one who had 15,000, but she was the lowest 15,000 in fines was the lowest. So they took a bit. I think they ended it ended up with about 836. $1000 at the. End. That's still well when you think about the fines though, if they had have been in the first series and doing fines, they would have actually probably had to pay.
Alright.
Big Brother some. Money, which is not great.
They would have owed.
One this is also the season with Constance Hall, who was evicted on Day 10 for lying about her relationships.
Oh God.
Status to enter as a single contestant, so she she was kicked out, obviously gone on to do. Yeah, lots of big things over the years.
Right. Ohh, she's been a very big influence at constant Hall. She's had a finger on the pulse and then she's had the pulse. She's been, you know, maligned. And and then I I'm not even gonna talk about it cause I'm afraid.
And hot dogs.
Hmm. Ohh I remember hot dogs.
I was a. Big celebrity, remember when he got hot dogs up late, he went on.
Yes, and he used to host those stupid phones. What a great career that would be, yeah.
To have a. Great, great career. It was like a late night quiz. It was sponsor. It was like it was funded by the Crazy frog ringtone.
Yes. Yes. Welcome to TV, for deviants and bottom feeders. Cause who else is gonna phone in at that? Yes.
All the ringtones that yeah, that was good.
Ohh, that's right, it's so recent.
Did he feel that hearing care? I felt like he did an episode here in Canberra.
Yeah, and you'd phone in. And what did he do? Like, he'd spin a wheel, spin a wheel. No, he'd be too cooked to even remember what happened on that. If you were up, nothing good could come of being up late.
I don't. Yes. Yes, yes, you'd win things right.
If you're. That light.
Watching hot dogs up.
Late. I'm gonna order some stuff off TV, I said. And I'm gonna. Call hot dogs. Yeah, that's a good night, but.
It's actually sounds quite Passy. That does sound like a good night. Let's wrap this hot dog. Up. We're at the end.
You know, put it in a bottle.
And put it, slap it in the bun and throw some sauce on it and send it on its way. We're at the hatches, matches and dispatches segment and there wasn't really anything of any notoriety happening really in the ways of births, deaths or.
June.
Marriages in 2005 that we felt was worthy of mentioning this week. It's not to say that something didn't happen, but you can do your own research independently if you want it. OK, because we're just into this.
Yes.
The clue, which is just a birthday, a celebrity having a birthday on the 20th of August in 2005 and this week as well. Funnily enough, they're still alive. That said this.
And they'd probably rather me do a Paul Newman and give them some salad dressing or some soap. You know, they're not listening to that kind of music right now.
If you said Fred Durst. It's unfortunate that you're a fan of Fred. Durst, but ohh.
I.
Keep pressing the wrong one. I think I need to change the colours on those buttons. Yeah, because the wrong one is green and the right one is red, which doesn't make any sense.
You're in the wrong order.
No, the Paul Newman, I don't think he should be dissing Paul Newman cause that ranch dressing the ranch 1.
Right, we need to change the colours. I don't think he was the salad dressing. It's pretty. Yeah, it's pretty good. Good salad dressing. It's it's pretty good salad dressing. I don't think he was dissing them so.
Ohh die for.
If he brought out a salad dressing, I'd buy it.
Much. I think well in context he was Fred Dorsel's dressing.
Yeah, actually, no, I wouldn't.
To you, I wouldn't wanna know. I mean, he's got an album called Chocolate Starfish and the Hot Dog flavoured Water. OK.
Actually, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Actually, yes. Yeah, well, the band's called Limp Bizkit. Yes, OK. I've changed my mind.
It's right. I don't think you'd have, I don't think, especially if it was a mayonnaise base. OK. So Fred Durst, he was actually talking about old Limp Bizkit fans versus new ones. He was on the the show with Bill. Well, Bill Maher, where they basically smoke marijuana and talk and and just to give you some more context.
Hmm.
I think the people who grew up liking Limp Bizkit. Probably are a little older, and they'd probably rather me do a Paul Newman and give him some salad dressing or or some soap. You know they're not listening to that kind of music right now. And so I and maybe there's a hip. Up kind of current going through our music that maybe helped us through time. We never. I took everything away. I didn't want to mark it anymore. I don't sell merchandise online. I don't sell at the concerts. I didn't promote anything because I wanted to pull back and see what our music could do through a noisy world. How do you rise above the noise? And luckily. I'm so grateful, but it's it's just there's a resurgence. It's it's just happening. It's young people that are reacting to.
The material I think it's a smart strategy because kids don't like to be marketed to.
And.
Ohh, OK old boomers. Sorry, that was the booms that they, they they need a boom for that. I swear to God I don't have. I couldn't be bothered giving the.
They can see through the marketing. Straight away.
That was a boom, though I I do think it has been interesting to see Limp Bizkit come back and I haven't seen any merch getting around, so I think there's some truth in that.
What you think? What's what's actually brought them back is it, is it? TikTok. Yeah. OK.
TikTok, it's gotta be TikTok and just the music. Like it's the whole I mean.
Are they touring or anything?
They have been touring and they've they've they've reunited and they're back together and they're doing, first of all, I think the last lot of stuff they did was some Metallica support. So they've, they've certainly had a resurgence. He's right. And I haven't seen a lot of marketing aside from a lot of stuff on social media in the form of clips on TikTok and people miming to their music.
Yeah. OK.
Hmm.
And what not. So I think they have really tapped into that and somehow they. Been able to have a little bit of a reenergised career, but I think there's been a few new metal groups that have had that and I don't necessarily agree with the fact that it's not old people that used to listen to limp biscuit listening to. I think it's more old people that used to listen to Limp Bizkit and then realise what you know that meant.
Hmm.
I think I think, yeah.
And then still probably secretly like it, but just don't wanna tell anyone. Exactly. That's what I think's happening. But it's his birthday. I mean, he's he. He was all over the place in the early 2000s of Woodstock 99, which was just insane.
Didn't want to admit it. Yes, they just lay it in their their home comfort zone. Happy birthday. Yes, yes.
I mean it. The beef he had with M&M, even though M&M has been on some of his stuff, the relationship, the brief on with Britney Spears, though apparently nothing happened there. He makes movies. He's a filmmaker, he doesn't make very good movies. So I think he did. He did the education of Charlie Banks, which was a coming of age.
That's good.
Hmm.
Ah yes. I didn't know that.
And with Jesse Eisenberg, the long shots, the football movie with Ice Cube, he. That one? And then he's the one that he, I think, had the most creative control of that really tanked was the fanatic which which he put John Travolta in there as an unhinged fan. It was a it was. It's a bad movie. It's like it's it's a Raspberry Award winner. And yeah, now Limp Bizkit is back. And all of that stuff, but he's I think he's like the poster boy.
Hmm. Is it?
Were toxic masculinity in the early 2000s really.
Yeah. No, but.
I don't think that was his fault, though. I think that's just kind.
They, but I remember there was a period.
Of. Well, it kind of was. He wrote the lyrics, you know.
But yeah, and it was. Yeah, it was angry music. And the idea was that it would make you angry and evoke that sense when you were listening to. But I remember in the early 2000s they couldn't do a thing wrong. Every time they released something when we were working on the Hot 30 show, as soon as the song would come out, all the kids would vote for it and always show the number one it.
Yeah. Ohh that was huge.
We go straight.
To number one, yeah. Until until they played the big day out. Yes. Yeah.
Was just. Until then, I think that was kind of their undoing, particularly here in Australia. Yeah, I think we all went a bit.
In. Definitely. But I think you know and I, I do think that in spite of egos and what you do or don't think of them, I think some of the responsibility that probably falls on the organisers and because the organisers are Aussie and stuff as well, they kind of and and Channel V the Channel V association as well.
Hmm.
That narrative might have been a little bit skewed. I'm not not saying that, you know, anyone either side is right or wrong, but there's definitely probably more to that story than than meets the.
Hmm.
Eye it's.
But they did have a massive impact.
Ohh yeah, they were huge. They were the big. There was the big jump up and down new metal thing that was just built for mosh pits, you know, and mindlessness, really.
Back 20. Oh, sorry.
Yeah, but now I cause I always. I always preferred I always preferred them over Lincoln Park, but now in. My older age. I've become. I've switched. Yeah. Yeah. I'm team Lincoln Park. Now jump the fence.
You've matured, you've matured. Yes, you've come a bit numb to the ******. That's what's happened in your old age. You're numb to the ******. And so are we, which is why we're gonna just pack it up this evening. Go and have a cup of tea and a lie down. That's the end of it. We're at the end of the show. Yeah. Ohh, magnesium. Hot chocolate. Whatever it takes to keep you numb to the ******.
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