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The year is 2005... Anakin turns to the dark side, YouTube makes its debut and we’re all couch-jumping for Maria, McDreamy and The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo…
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Six Feet Under finale: the ending that still wrecks us (20 years on)
Rewind to 21–27 August 2005 🎙️
💊 (not so) model behaviour. Michelle Leslie went from catwalks to courtrooms when Bali police “found” two little pills in her Gucci bag. What followed? A media circus of headscarves, bribe rumours and a prison stint that ended almost as quickly as her career. From Schapelle to the Bali Nine, it was peak Aussie-drama-abroad season.
🎹 The piano man unmasked. Remember the mysterious mute who wowed (or maybe just plonked) on the piano in Kent? Turns out he wasn’t a ghostly virtuoso at all, but Andreas Grassl — a German twenty-something with a psychotic break and a wet suit. The tabloids lost their collective minds, only to find out he was basically Bavarian and bummed.
🏏 Ashes to ashes, urn to England. After 19 years of Aussie dominance, Freddie Flintoff & co. pulled off the impossible. From McGrath’s stray ball to Pietersen’s breakout ton, England finally snatched back the Ashes. Cue victory parades, national pints and every Brit suddenly knowing what “reverse swing” meant.
📻 Pandora’s (music) box. Pandora launched and suddenly your “personal DJ” wasn’t your mate burning dodgy Limewire CDs but an algorithm dissecting your taste in emo ballads. It was the start of streaming as we know it, long before Spotify swallowed your soul.
🔫 Suge Knight shot (again)! At Kanye’s VMA pre-party no less. Suge got clipped in the leg, lost a $135k earring and immediately lawyered up. Kanye walked away lawsuit-free but hip-hop’s drama quota was well and truly met.
😂 The 40-Year-Old Virgin gets lucky. Steve Carell’s chest hair met hot wax, we all met Judd Apatow and suddenly awkward rom-coms had a new king.
⚰️ Six Feet Under goes six feet under. One of TV’s most iconic finales hit like a funeral for your feelings. Sia’s “Breathe Me” played while we literally watched every main character die. No tidy bows, just pure HBO heartbreak — and somehow, comfort.
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The year is 2005. Anakin turns to the Dark side, YouTube debuts, and we couch jump for Mariah Mcdreamy and a girl with the Dragon Tattoo t -, 20 rewind 20 years with Joe and Mel.
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Think of this as your weekly time machine minus deloreans or more locks, or depending on what time travel film reference you'd like me to make there with a lot more sass as you could tell t -, 20 rewinds, 2 decades to the exact week in pop culture, news, music, TV and just random moments. That happened way back then that you go ohh. I remember where I was and that happened or I didn't even remember that. And now I've been reminded. So thank you, t -. 20 with your host Joe and Mel. Hello Mel.
Hello everybody. We are rewinding this week to the 21st through to the 28th of August 2000 and.
If I'd have had the drugs, I would have put them in my bra or in my knickers or out the window or in the seat or anywhere but left them in my bag and given my bag. To the police. Like here you go, you know.
How to hide your?
Drugs. That's her story, and she's sticking to it.
That's so helpful. The Gucci bag 2 pills and a media circus. Michelle Leslie, that is 20 years ago.
There, there's one that I don't have a little the sound bite for. As a piano man, I don't know. Do you remember the mystery of the piano man back in 2005? In April of 2005, there was a guy that washed up on the beach in England, and he had a suit on and everything and nobody could figure out where he was and he would, where he was from. Sorry. And he couldn't speak, but he could play the piano.
Yeah.
Hmm. It wouldn't show, yeah.
So we'll talk about that and then.
There's this. Are you a virgin?
Yeah. Yeah, not not since I was 10.
Ohh, makes sense. You're a virgin.
I am shut up.
How does that happen?
How does it happen? Indeed, 20 years have passed since the 40 year old Virgin was released.
So if he didn't get any in the movie, he'd now be the 60. Year old version Virgin version.
Great, great maths. Great. That's the mathematics.
You're welcome.
Version of Mel.
The.
40 year old Virgin turns 20 yes, something like that big movie. We'll chat about that. We're also gonna chat in tech news about a street only streaming days. Really. With Pandora Radio, which was quite the innovation and I think really paved the way to how we consume music today.
Well.
Yeah. It really did. And it I like. We'll talk more about it in the tech segment, but I when I was doing the research you did, I was like, I actually love the idea of this. Than some of the other models in streaming services these days, where it's like it's only stuff that's like, that's anyway, we'll talk more about that bit later on. Sorry, I dig down a bit there.
Hmm.
Yes, we shall. And I remember we we did experience it when we were overseas and hired a car and we were listening to to the radio. And it was very innovative. And Speaking of listening to the radio or listening to music in your car, a friend of mine, her daughter, got her first car.
Hmm.
Ohh wow.
The other week.
Yeah.
First, cars saved up all their cash, got a second hand car? Ohh gosh, I remember. I remember negotiating for my first car and going and taking them all for test drives and trying to beat them down on price. And it was just just also.
That's harrowing, isn't it? Yeah. A.
Bit horrendous.
And the the freedom that you then experienced with your first car, which is amazing and it really doesn't feel like that. Long ago, but the freedom and also the hair raising, things that might happen in your first. The car. But you'll never tell anyone else.
Well, she she. Got a car and and took it home and I love this because to me this sounds like a brand new age car. Uh-huh. But to her, this is a symbol of it being probably more old school. It had a CD stacker in.
Yeah.
It.
Ohh stacker yeah, I remember that.
A. I'm like. That's the future. That's the future of my CD. I gotta.
That was back in the day.
CD. Well, mine came with a tape player, but then a friend of a friend's, like, go to secondhand stereo that I can sell you. And at the time I was like.
Yeah, initially, right.
Yeah, sure. And I bought it and in hindsight. I don't know where they got the second hand stereo from back in the 90s there were a lot of stereos that went.
Ah yeah.
Missing from cars.
That's right. Yeah. The the club lock and the the the stereo with the detachable face.
Detachable phase. Well, this was a detachable phase, so that makes me think, you know, maybe it.
Uh-huh. Wasn't stolen. Yeah, I mean, nowadays that supplies to.
I don't know. I don't know. But anyways, that's.
People's detachable faith.
But I remember when I got my stereo and it was that was the highlight of driving around. I could play whatever music I wanted without my parents going to turn that down. I hate that song. That's horrible music, you know, I had the.
Yeah, isn't it the bath? So good, so good. Yeah.
Bass boosts. The subwoofer had the windows down. I dropped my brother and sister off at school. Crank up a bit of too, but I thought I was the coolest. Person on earth. Well, you were anyway.
Solutely with your car and your independence doesn't get much better.
Friend's daughter's friend's daughter with the CD Stacker. Here's where it gets interesting. So she turns on the car and you know and she's like, ohh. It's gonna city play. Ohh, I'll just. Bluetooth it. Yeah, and. My friends like no. You can buy some CD's like you could still get CD's. Get on eBay, buy some CD's, go old school like this is beautiful. This is a beautiful nostalgic moment and I think there was a couple of CD's in the house and she went to put one in and she couldn't.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Uh-huh.
Because there were still CD's in there, the owner, the owner, left the CD's in the car in the stacker.
Ohh, they had to unload it. That's right, because some of the, so it must be one of those. Things where you you feed the CD's into it like coins into a slot machine that I they they I found those CD stackers quite unnerving like I like the ones who was a cartridge or something you put them.
Yes. This. Well, very mysterious. Ohh and you pulled it out. Yeah, and you could see you could see what went where.
In the cartridge. I just feel like it'd be easy to retrieve. I'm like, I don't know where it goes after I put it in this slot.
Helpful. Helpful.
Yeah, it's like. When you put the cans in the can return thing and they go along the conveyor belt, you're like.
Yes. Yeah, that's right.
What happens next? Just like that, anyway, so there's CD's in there and she's figured out how to take them out. And my friend was horrified because she pulled one out. She just, like, chucked it.
Where does it go?
Hmm.
Robin Richard Marx.
Ohh.
Richard Marx was in the stacker. Shouldn't those better?
What was that song hated should have. Known better. Yeah, he had.
Yeah. Yeah. Richard Marx and Britney Spears.
Hates the songs, didn't he? Richard Marx? No way.
Kept Brittany for the nostalgia they they threw Richard marks out and they threw something else out.
Kept it. Did they? Ohh. They kept it. They didn't. They threw Richard marks away. Isn't he a judge on The Voice or something? This year it's big. Where are they now?
Well, this is funny cause we've. Had the conversation and then he pops up on the telly and I'm like I'm being haunted by Richard Marx.
Hmm.
That's well. But I mean, but, but he's still alive, dear. It's just.
Crazy. I'm being haunted by their live Richard Marx. What else was there? Should know better right here waiting. Right, I've been right.
Wherever you go, whatever you do there it is. That's the haunting, scary 1, isn't it?
Yeah, we'll be right here waiting for.
You.
Well, maybe he'll just pop back up in the CD stacker. Who knows.
Right, right. They're waiting for them.
Potentially.
Possibly that's old tech, though old tech is right there waiting for you all the time because.
Hmm.
It doesn't break. Yeah, it's not as disposable. Well, everything's in the cloud. I don't even know what I own anymore. It's all in the cloud. I think I just own the idea of having these. Pluck that recorder out of the cloud. We did. Yep, been up there. Just wait. Just waiting 22 to descend from the heavens and bless us with its beautiful tones for the hatches, matches and dispatches clue which is the little bit that we do at the end of the show. But we give you a clue now so that you can kind of guess who it is and then be vilified at the end of the programme. It's a celebrity.
Right there waiting.
To match this week, a wedding. Ohh yes. Coupling. Yeah. Somebody famous who said this?
We met in Montreal. She was producing. Gothika this movie, I assume with Halle Berry.
Yeah, sorry. Yeah. That ended much more abruptly than I thought. I know I was having a mouth full of beer.
Yes, well, you weren't expecting that, really. Do you know that that voice? Yes, that's a common voice. I feel like that could be a number of people. Upon hearing that voice, that voice is well, when it's paired with the face, it feels distinct. But when you just hear it on its own like that, and I'm like, that could be a number of people.
Really.
Do you really? I see.
I think it's quite distinct.
Yeah.
And because I've sourced the clue I I can't prove that theory in my own mind, because I see the face with the voice because I know the voice. Do you wanna?
You can't unhear it. Yeah, exactly. But I'm like, there's a few. There's a few that. Yeah, do it.
Again, we met in Montreal. She was producing. Yeah, Gothic this movie, I assume with Halle Berry.
I mean, that's why I had that other things in there cause I'm like, oh, well, if you don't get the voice, at least you might be able to use some of the evidence from the actual clue to piece things together like the real, you know, yeah, like, like the old person that's into, like, you know, crime shows and and murder mysteries and.
Pace it. Yeah. OK, sleuth. Sudoku. Sudoku, Matlock.
Wants to piece those things together. Yeah, exactly.
Murder, she wrote. Perfect.
Yeah, except nobody's nobody's being murdered, and nobody's written anything either. But you get the idea.
Just like it, just like it. 21st of August 2005, one of those news stories where I just go. I can't believe that was 20 years ago. This was like, does not feel like 20 years ago, beautiful supermodel Michelle Leslie, great singer, catwalks.
Yeah, I know.
I know.
I don't know. I I don't know if she is supermodel. Like, take it easy. Now. I know I'm. I'm no oil painting. I know. But I just think super model is a title that's earned and she's a.
Wow, she went on search for a supermodel. Sure, sure. OK, well. Model supermodel in training she's on search for a supermodel.
Sure I can. Yeah. OK. I'll accept that as if I'm some kind of authority that has something. Yes, well.
She's arrested on supermodels. To model aficionado, she she's arrested. She's not modelling. She's arrested in Bali during a police raid on a dance party near Cooter. She's travelling in a vehicle to this dance party and they got pulled over and took her Gucci handbag. Opened it up and found a couple of pills in there. Allegedly.
I've got eyes every eyes. Uh-huh.
Hmm.
The policemen were in the car searching the car and then the policeman brought my bag over to me. And. He opened my bag and pulled out a tissue and opened it and then I was like ohh my God. What's going on? What's going on? And we were sitting at the road block for quite a few minutes. And you know, if I'd have had the drugs, I would have put them in my bra or in my knickers or out the window or in the seat or anywhere but left them in my bag and given my bag to the police, like, here you go, you know.
That's her story, and she's sticking to it.
She wouldn't be that dumb.
She was 24 years old at the time, so I mean, I feel. Like, I feel like you are a. With all due respect to there's probably a lot of people that are smarter than us out there at 24, but I felt pretty stupid in hindsight about my 24 year old self and she was 24 when she was arrested and she faced a maximum sentence of 15 years under Indonesian drug laws but before that.
Hmm.
This is, you know, her career was going great catwalk model IN2000 working for David Jones finalist on search for a supermodel. Like you said runner up for Miss World and then Bam, this happens and they find the drugs in her handbag, which she thinks was planted there and.
Hmm.
When you think about that, I I know that Indonesian police are notorious for being corrupt and accepting bribes, allegedly notorious. I'm not sure that would stand up, but I'll stand by it. They like people, people bribe officials.
Allegedly.
Over there all the time. It's like it's it's a common thing I've known. I've had friends who are Indonesian in the past and they're like, you know, that's how you get out of speeding fines and stuff. You just pay a bribe. The cop pulls you over, you can pay them a bribe and they'll they'll let you. Though this was a, this was a pretty big bribe though. If that was what they were actually asking for. According to Michelle Leslie, because she says that they weren't hers.
No, no. And I mean this is where the story kind of shifted and changed because I think she initially said that a friend of hers put them. In her bag. Hmm. And then when she came back to Australia and did her big tell all, then it was the police put them in her bag to then try and get some money out of her in in return.
Yeah.
For letting her.
Yes.
Off. So her story did change over time.
Well, I mean, she's not. Kind of. And I, I mean, she's not gonna tell that story when she's over there. There's no way she's telling that story when she's over there. That's not going to help her at all.
Well, that's true. Yeah, but she did name. She named someone, and then they found that person and they said no. That wasn't me. They also did urine tests as well, just to see if she'd taken any drugs. And they allegedly came back and.
What you talking about?
Yes.
So by mid mid September they recommended proceeding with the serious charge of illegal possession. Still carrying that penalty of 15 years. But shortly before the trial, prosecutors dropped the primary possession charge, instead seeking A conviction under the lesser charge of receiving ecstasy as a drug user.
Three months. Yeah, it was like 3 tablets, one month per tablet. I2. Ohh, was it 2? I thought it was 3. Ohh.
Two, no, there was 2. They found two in the Gucci handbag. Hmm. Well, maybe the third one was. In a bra, maybe. I don't know. No, it was two. It was two. It was 2. That they? Yeah, two that they found.
I don't think so. I've missed out today. I apologise.
Penalty of three months. I remember this one all over the TV. We've obviously had Chappelle. Yeah. So we had the big sentencing of Chappelle this year earlier this year, and then we had the Bali 9.
Hmm.
Yeah. Yes.
And this was, you know, this one was a little bit different. She she had this, you know, model history. She was quite lovely looking. Yeah. And I think came from a.
Yes.
Fairly wealthy family, I think as well and was portrayed a little bit differently in the media to to the the predecessors over in.
Bali, yeah, but all I.
Boo.
Like I don't know that a lot of people believed her story at the time. Could you remember? She wore the burka?
She she did.
She was wearing. For Muslim head covering when she was in court and and I don't know that she actually I don't. She's not Muslim she's not.
Well, again, the story, the story changed at the time. She was saying that it helped her cope with the stress of prison and the flash photography.
Yeah.
And there was a bit of backlash from Muslims as well, accusing her of using Islam as a stunt to get the courts favour. She also then announced through a spokesperson that she'd converted to the Islamic faith 18 months prior to her arrest.
Then.
Yeah, yeah. But I don't know that that, that makes a lot of sense because a few months prior to that, I think I was watching a 60 minute story and she's there posing on a motorbike in a pair of jeans with the **** cheeks cut out of them, and I don't know that that's, I don't think that's a, you know, halal.
The thing you're changing.
I'm being honest, like I just don't think that's the right thing to be doing.
There was also speculation that she had connections to influential Indonesian figures, including there were rumours that she was involved somehow with the son of a government minister, although they were never substantiated and she the arrest allegedly occurred while she was in the company of a son of the then coordinating.
Yeah.
Hmm.
Minister for the economy? And two unidentified men, one of them was said to be a man with strong influence in the law, son of a man with strong influence in the law and justice system. But those men got off.
Well, I don't think it worked out. Yeah, clearly not mates. So she only got 3 months.
Hmm.
Yeah, so worked out. Worked out. Probably quite.
She came back to Australia. She declined, you know, she didn't sell her story to the media when she came back because she said that she'd faced further criticism for profiting for the ordeal. So she gave unpaid interviews to 6.
Well, for her.
You mean it's a new idea and I think new idea donated the money that they were going to spend on her to a Cambodian orphanage that she was raising funds for. She's there's a lot of PR happening here. And I think, though I think she got a $70,000 payment from new idea when she was in prison.
He's. Hmm.
Because she she before the convict.
Well, when she came back, she signed with Max Markson, so he's obviously gone. Maybe do a.
Ah. That's slippery snake.
Little bit. Of do a little bit of. Charity work. Yeah, yeah. You know, do some good out there. Don't don't sell yours. Don't sell your story and you know, supermodel title awaits. But yeah, the difference between her obviously and the Barley 9 and spell is she's.
This would be good for your image, yeah.
She's not selling allegedly selling drugs or having a lot of drugs on her. It was, it was 2 pills. So hence the. The arm. There's small sentencing.
And I I do think it's highly plausible that they were planted. And I think it was 25 grand the cops were asking for. According to her story, to make the charges go away. And she reckons she was targeted because they thought she was wealthy and well connected as a model. I mean, I don't know that they would have recognised her. As a model and got. Ohh quick look this yes.
That's that model. That was a runner up on search for a supermodel. I remember her seen her David Jones ads.
Yes, call call for backup. We're gonna get a good payday here. Hmm. Yeah. There's no other store like it. That's how. That's how come we can spot it.
So familiar.
Alright.
She actually travelled to Cambodia as well. It's not just donated the money. She travelled there to help raise money for local orphanages. I remember the the footage of that. Max did well.
Hmm.
With the PR.
Well, I think you know, again I I kind of wanna defend it cause it's like, oh, you signed up with her talent agent and stuff. I mean, you've got some profile and people are throwing money at. You to tell your story.
Well, it's.
Actually quite a smart move. It's quite a smart move to have somebody looking out for you as well. I don't know that Max would be my first choice, but I guess just having that buffer between you and and the general public is is not a bad move.
You know, it's not gonna last. You want to make. The most of it.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Exactly.
She had several modelling jobs after returning to Australia, but struggled to find steady work as a model. In 2007, she launched a range of clothing for dogs called Meow and Barkley with her friends Tracy Griffith. No, I know.
Oh. Meow and Barkley dogs don't meow. Was it dogs and cats perhaps?
It's just says dogs alright so.
All.
Yeah. Cryptic. Yeah, was. Successful sold out shortly after launch. Then in 2008, she launched an interior design business. Michelle Leslie studio. Do you remember who she was going steady with? Don't look. Do you remember?
Ohh, there you go. What do I know? Uh-huh.
You don't remember? No Daniel Johns.
Ohh from Sylvie, yeah.
Remember whether they were going. Yeah, yeah, there was rumours for ages, and then they finally admitted it. And like they was like 2017. Right. Umm and then obviously they're not together anymore.
That that. Yeah. See. Hmm. Yeah. You know, you're a model. You're hanging out with a rock star. Maybe there were your drugs.
I remember that I remember that. I remember that relationship well.
Yes. OK, right.
She was in 2020-2021 in Hawaii, doing interior design and renovating her luxury home, owned by John Singleton. I remember that as well, and then designed his property over in NSW a couple of years later.
Singers. There you go. Well, you know.
So obviously good at the interior design.
Well, if she was a drag race, she very high functioning one. Hmm. There's more news on the 22nd of August when the the this is this one about the piano man. The the guy that washed up on a beach in Sheerness on the Isle of Sheppey in South East England in April of 2005, he was drenched. He was dressed in a suit, stripped of all labels, and he refused to speak initially, so they took him off to a psychiatric unit and they couldn't identify him because he wouldn't talk, right.
Hmm.
Suddenly, after he's given a pen and paper that they were given a clue as to his background, he drew a picture of a grand piano, right?
Hmm, I saw the picture because they describe it as an intricate pitch.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So they take it, they go ohh. He wants a piano. But that wasn't a great, you know.
Very detailed. It's crap. Did you see? The picture. It wasn't. No, the shading was all off.
No, he's washed up on the beach. I don't expect him to be.
I think they just oversold it in the in the news they were like, ohh intricate. It's amazing drawing of a piano.
He was an artist. He's just not that. Kind of artist. Just just scratched out. That's crap. Yeah, it wasn't great. But they they go. OK, well, we can clearly see what it is. So he likes pianos. You wanna see a piano mate? We'll take you to the hospital. Chapel. You can play classical music on the piano. And he did. He could play. He was. And then the health and social workers were like, he could play the piano. He's a virtuoso, but apparently.
Ohh, he likes pianos.
I don't know. I think that's BS. I think they manufactured that because later on people were like, no, you could only play one that.
Is rubbish. He was just playing the one note over.
He just he he was.
And over hours.
He was his best artist.
He was playing chopsticks. That's what he was playing.
He he did it drawing and he did it playing the piano. Well, he's still learning it. Maybe only.
Chopsticks. Definitely chopsticks.
Learn it for a little bit, yeah.
They thought he was a French St musician, was one theory. Another theory was he was a Czech concert pianist.
Well, if he wasn't, he's only playing one out of the piano. They're like, oh, he's so crap. We'll.
Just throw him into the sea. He ship from Norway was in the area when he was found and they thought, well, maybe he's jumped off the ship from Norway. And that's why his suit was soaked. Cause he'd been in the sea.
Maybe I don't really think you survive if you jump off ships.
He just didn't. Talk for months remained silent and there was a lot of international media speculation and interest. They put his picture up all over the news trying to put him on milk cartons, trying to find out who he was. Lots of Leeds, but.
Who is this guy?
Nothing. Nothing came to fruition. Nobody claimed him.
Yes. Claims to be a pianist, but he won't talk, so he's actually just * ****.
Well, he did eventually talk this time 20 years ago or his 2005 broke his silence and confirmed his identity. He was a 20 year old from Bavaria who lost his job in Paris and came to Britain intending to actually take his own life. So that's a bit sad.
Yeah. I mean. Well, I I think that's what he might have tried to do when he got washed up on. A beach, yeah.
Yeah, exactly. And he had worked with mentally ill people before and decided to mimic the behaviour that he'd seen in that context, apparently.
Hmm. That's peculiar. It's peculiar. But the German Embassy were like. Yeah, that's him. He's ours. Yeah, he was discharged, and then they sent him home to Bavaria. Off you go. That's what happened in August. The mystery was solved.
Hmm.
Giving back.
But he's.
His family and friends. They saw the media coverage but they didn't recognise him. They didn't wonder where he was. They didn't notice that he was.
Didn't recognise him.
Missing.
Well, I just embarrassed, embarrassed.
They were stunned and they said he's actually a quiet, well behaved young man. This is very out of character. It's very off brand well, yes, yes, he.
Yes. Well, he was very quiet. Was but according to interviews that his parents and lawyers had. Taken on his behalf. Off, he said that he had no idea what happened to him. He just woke up and realised who he was and his father rejected the idea that he was gay, which is what they said said in the media. I don't know why that was like, well, you know, he drew a picture of a piano and he could play a piano and we found him washed up on a beach. So he must be gay.
I don't even know why.
That would be a thing. That's what the media said.
I don't know. Yeah, I don't know how they worked that. Out.
He's he's he's been washed ashore. He's clearly.
Ohh my God but. Dad said he was musically talented. That's that typical parent thing of yes, you are so good. That's why we end up with the people that we end up auditioning for idol. The parents thought he was a great pianist. The legal counsel also suggested that he might have experienced A psychotic episode and hence why he didn't talk. And then he realised who he was. A few months later. I I guess we'll never know the truth.
But I don't know.
But it was quite mysterious for a while. Well, I.
Remember. Ohh well. You gotta remember this is before viral stuff. I mean, if this had happened in this day and age, people would have figured out who he was in about 2 1/2 minutes. It wouldn't have even been a story.
Hmm.
Yes, like the kiss Cam. Hmm.
Yes, it wouldn't have been a story, but what would have happened too is they wouldn't have needed to do news about it because the news, all they do is take other people's videos from social media and stick them on the news anyway and call it news.
Regardless, yes. Were you waiting for me?
To talk. Yeah. I, you know, I talk a lot and it's probably your turn.
Just OK sure. 25th of August 2005. We have Pandora Internet radio. It is launched as an Internet radio and music streaming platform developed by the Music Genome Project team.
Radio on the.
Led by Tim Westergren.
If we could map songs along this big musical genome and and use some kind of algorithm matching technology, maybe that could be used to connect people from artists, well known artists to lesser known musicians based on musical similarity.
I love this idea. I love this idea so much.
Hmm.
More than ohh everyone likes this, so you'll probably like it too. All the people that like the same thing that you have liked here, like this other stuff as well. So maybe you'll like it too. So we'll push that to you. It's so much more individual. So what it is is like the the Music Genome Project is the the algorithm that they've developed and it analyses songs.
Hmm.
Based on all of its musical attributes like Melody and Harmony. Rhythm instrumentation and lyrical content. And then users are able to create personalised radio stations by entering A favourite artist, song or genre and then Pandora's algorithm recommends songs with similar traits, which makes it really tailored so and and it's there.
Hmm.
The the tracks that are on Pandora are not analysed by computers or AI or anything obvious. They're analysed by staff who work for Pandora, who are musicians who are accomplished musicians who can read music and understand musical theory. And so they do this as their day job, and they go in and that they they sort of, you know, catalogue or categorise and curate these playlists or these. Songs in there.
It was one of the. First platforms to offer algorithm driven, personalised music streaming. Obviously, moving away from the static playlists and radio stations and it allowed people to discover new music that are aligned with their tastes, effortlessly groundbreaking. And it really paved the way for a lot of streaming services that.
Yeah.
We see today.
Hmm. Yeah, because they don't. It's not just tags or genres. It's not like walking to a corner like going to the middle section or the pop section or whatever. It it takes a whole lot of more complicated things into account, which could definitely introduce you to new music, which could, which I mean the way music is being consumed in 2005 is still. CD's and like physical sales of CD's and a few well, not a few downloads, a lot of downloads, but streaming is still fairly new at this.
Stage yeah, cause you're downloading. You're still paying per song. At this point, there's not a lot of that streaming model, but Pandora used the. Free with ads model that you do. See now with Spotify, for example, and that then provided an alternative revenue stream for the artists as well as the platform. And a lot of artists that may not have been. You know, big artists on labels being pushed and promoted in in the way that some of the more successful artists at the time would. So again, it's that discoverability and unearthing new talent.
Hmm.
Which is great.
Yeah.
It is and it was. I mean, it's groundbreaking, like and is it still around?
Hmm.
I. I think it grew over the years and it got the database grew and the recommendations improved. They had mobile apps, they standard beyond desktop computers.
Yeah. So it's definitely an app I'll say in. The app, yeah.
I think there was paid subscriptions where you could remove the ads that came a bit later and different tiers that you you could pay different rates for. Yeah, I think it was bought out by SiriusXM in 2019 to combine satellite radio with streaming.
Ah, yeah, yeah.
And that curated, personalised experience, which is a pretty cool integration. It expanded into podcasts, mixing music and spoken word content.
Hmm.
Are we on there? We might be on there. I don't even know. We probably. Yeah, we should check we.
Probably should and continues to do the personalization really well and now is using AI and machine learning to improve that discoverability. And you can share playlists and social listening options.
Ohh cool. See I typed in Pandora and they referred me to bracelets at first but but now I've found I've found Pandora. So it's there and there's podcasts. It's unavailable in this country.
Ohh. She get a charm.
Let's be Oh well, that tells us to go on SoundCloud. Well, that sucks. Yeah, no, outside the US. Can't use it. Oh, well, that proved that.
So. So we're enjoying, you know, a wonderful ride now since we've launched Pandora. But most of these things don't come easy. And a lot of the companies that you see, you see really only the part that's the good and easy part or the fun part because most of that kind of iceberg. Lives below the water line and you know, I think that the one, the one thing that held this company together over those many years was. Is that we all had, I think, a very unshakeable belief that this idea was a good one and it was kind of in some ways crazy and a foolhardy methodology and very counterintuitive and sort of Luddite in a technology world. But it was solving a big, big problem in a really innovative way, and it worked.
That's true. And now in order for us to solve the big problem of not being able to stream it because we're outside of the USA, we need to be innovative and get a VPN. Over to music charts. What would the charts at this stage? I mean it would have been hard to collate combination of physical and digital sales. Hmm like I guess it's it's like a digital sale and a physical sale. The same thing, same difference, doesn't matter.
Yeah, well, you're. Still, yeah, you're not streaming at this stage.
That's right.
You're still purchasing, you're just purchasing it instead of purchasing it from brushes, you're purchasing purchasing from Apple.
Yes. Yes, that's right. Or you know, maybe you're purchasing it from Apple because you're ahead of the curve and maybe, yeah, I'm at brushes.
No, I'm still at.
To.
Number one.
Probably selling the ones that are, you know that revolution CD if I'm being.
Honest number one in Australia, Ghetto gospel.
Yes, this one.
Because we're human.
Gospel.
Me.
With my hand.
That would have been just ripping it up on Pandora. That one.
Has taken me back to the pulsar and the the yeah, my sweet sound system. Yeah.
Pervert.
CD in the pulsar. Did you did you have that on your?
Sweet sound system. We'll get a gospel. No. But I did play Tupac the you can't see me. That double album. Is that called? Yeah.
Detachable face. Ohh yeah, that's really rude. There's a lot of very.
It is a rude album. Great.
Rude lyrics on that.
I love it.
Good to see you. Trashy, leaning back in your car with the windows down listening to Tupac.
Yeah, I did have the seat back and Dylan with one hand on the wheel. Yeah. Driving around camber sick.
Doing manies. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's all good. Like a tracks like it's. Fine.
Number one in the UK, a new one. I'll be OK by McFly.
That's very trebly. It's very tiny.
Described as the musical equivalent of a pep talk from your mate who wears too much links Africa.
Yeah, probably probably.
It's about staying positive and moving forward, even when life's rough.
It's taken some of Michelle's Leslie pills, I think. Yeah. Jangley jangly guitars, tiny guitars, I reckon. Very teen Margaret. Well, yeah, I guess.
I'll be OK, upbeat group harmonies. Sunny teen mag. Ready. Very catchy. And in the music video, the band members get. Caught up in a wacky. World ending scenario involving a meteor strike does just scream medial strike, doesn't it?
So they're not OK at all. Uh-huh.
They act out absurd scenes, including apparently cross dresses because.
Ohh yeah, surfing was still funny back then, like ha ha ha cross dressing. Ohh look, it's a man dressed as a woman.
So absurd.
That's funny, yeah.
Fighting that was absurd as well. Back then, dancing around in increasingly silly costumes.
Fighting.
Ohh they sounds.
Well, let's meet Flyboys.
Like they're trying to be like the goodies or something. Really. Hmm.
Yes, that does sound very good. Yes, but it did help cement them as more than a a one hit wonder after their 2004 break out, which I can't remember anyway. But yeah, they're back well.
Yeah. Good for them. Good for them.
Let's go to. The US.
3. Hey, Mr.
Like. Well. Oh, baby, baby.
You belong again.
What the right? What was wrong with the robot guy there? And the number 4 did something weird at #4.
What? What do you mean? Ohh it's just a bit of bass. It's just I think it's bows. DJ's fault. It's not the the robot guys.
You didn't put any flange on. The robot guy.
I didn't didn't need. It.
Or any boost base face boost?
Ah, mightiest like he's he's a machine. He's perfect. Can't get it wrong.
Just sound little bit off, that's all. Let's recap. We belong together. Still #1. Mariah, don't to #2 Pussycat Dolls. Rihanna pondy. Replay #3.
Now.
Right.
Let me hold you. Bow. Wow feet, Ryan. Navigating the complex situations in the video clip. Yeah. #5 got a new entry, you and me by Lifehouse.
Yep.
You love people and that I don't know. I can't keep my eyes off of you.
I mean, that's that's like a slow dance at the bachelor and spinsters balls. Smells like impulse and links Africa. That one does. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Oh.
Snap kick you in the. Fields. Hmm. Sparse skills. Impulse.
Hmm.
Yeah it. I guess it brought them back into the charts. It kind of been AWOL for a while and yeah.
Lifehouse, what were they hanging by a moment? Is that them?
Yeah, that was sort of 2000. 2001 I think song song.
Yeah, right. Yeah. Ohh. They're the ones made. We've made the softs. Yeah, the soft. That's. Yeah, were they?
Socks are still going strong, they just hadn't really released much music.
That.
Good.
Song about feeling as if time stops when you with someone special.
Ah well.
Yeah, very popular wedding song and it's go to for TV romantic moments in the mid 2000s featured in shows like Smallville. So you think You Can Dance.
So it answered the B&S, yeah.
Ohh of course.
Because it builds up that big chorus when the moment the the romance moment hits. Yeah.
And of course, of course, Season 2, episode 10 of Grey's Anatomy much too much.
Alright.
Can you cue Lifehouse? Let's do a. Synopsis of the moment.
OK. OK. Ready.
Yes, let's queue it because Snow Patrol was busy.
We close on Meredith and Derek doing their patented longing looks trademark in a hallway that's so dimly lit. It could double as a hostage video set. He's all tortured eyes. She's all tragic bangs, and together they radiate the sexual tension.
OK.
Of two people who absolutely will ruin each other's lives but are going to slow cook it for maximum drama, the music swells.
You, me and people. Nothing to do.
Because in this moment they are the only two people on Earth except for the camera operator. Slowly dollying in like they're filming at Nicholas Sparks trailer. Derek's married Meredith conflicted, and the entire audience is screaming.
Just my dad.
Already, while also secretly enjoying the agonising restraint.
I think they like all that edging in today's day and age, don't they?
Fade to black and somewhere a Lifehouse CD sales spikes by 0.3%.
Over to music news now you I think you'll be interested in this. Is everything OK? I'm you're looking at the technology and.
Well, like is it moving?
Yeah, it is. It's moving. It's OK. It's all working. We've got lots of, we've got backups on top of top of backups here. Yeah, it's OK. OK. Music news.
It's moving. OK, good.
OK, good.
We had a shooting 28th of August 2005.
Yes. Shug Shug, I mean, he kind of had it coming. I'm surprised that he's spent this long and dodged to believe.
Should not shut the leg.
Don't to me, don't controversial figure she knows yes.
Dodged you just. A few bullets? Yeah, it's not a few bullets over the years.
Yeah, founder of Death Row Records should have died. Of course, yeah.
Yes, obvious shot in the leg during a pre MTV Video Music Awards party hosted by none other than Kanye West at the Shore Club in Miami Beach.
Yes, it was in the VIP section, I believe.
Of course, yes, leading to panic among the attendees. He was hospitalised in God. Condition, but later claimed he was also robbed during the chaos. Someone stole his earring. Ohh no, he's 15 carat diamond earring valued at $135,000. Who wears a $135,000 earring to a Kanye party. Anyway, just asking for trouble initially.
Yes, and not just any earring. That's right. Suge Knight. Yeah. Hmm.
This shooting was not attributed to any specific individual and witnesses not wanting to cooperate. However, years later a federal informant identified as a former cocaine trafficker.
That's right.
Admitted to shooting him at the party, he said that the shooting was ordered by James Jimmy Henchman Rosemond.
Hmm.
Who was a New York music manager, also a convicted drug trafficker who was also at the.
Event. Yeah, and in 2008, she's like, I think I need some more money. So I'm and and I think Kanye was starting to do pretty well. So he's like, I'm going to sue Kanye.
Made my earring. Back. To pay for that. In urine.
He's gonna sue Kanye, and he did, he said. He did. He failed to prevent an unknown individual from smuggling a gun into his party, which led to me being shot in the leg and the loss of my earring.
Of course.
The loss of my earring, that was.
Yes, that's what I'm for.
On the report. Suing for the loss of my earring.
Do you? You didn't go to court or or settle or anything and it was dropped and dismissed. So Kanye got all worried he wasn't legally responsible. Yeah. No payout for you, but I. And look, I found something. So to find out why it happened. And I know that the the cocaine trafficker is the federal informant. I'm not sure if this is the same guy, but I found this YouTube channel.
Let's hope you get. You shouldn't have worn your expensive earring to an MTV pre party dumb.
Called the art of dialogue. Dog and this bloke, Ali Zoe. Adam, who's the founder of the infamous Zoe # gang. Maybe they're cocaine traffickers. I don't know. Or or a hip hop group. I'm not sure. I'm very.
Maybe earring manufacturers?
I'm pretty fly for a white guy, but he talks about why sugar was shot in Miami and he says it's because they felt disrespected by him because he disrespected Dr. Dre at the 2004 Vibe Awards that Queen Latifah's manager Shakim was behind in that particular year.
Of course.
Just face theories on this.
She's about to come to Miami more. She'll in Miami, in the Red Room, Shore Club 5 Star Hotel, but basically know how to swing around that Kanye West Party, you know, and. And you know him and Petey, Pablo there. I talked to Petey, Pablo, like, 2 weeks after that. And you know, I'm saying walked around when I walked around, I saw Jim Jones and Chrissy. I'm like, hey, man, y'all. Go ahead, Chrissy damnit. Jeet up. She could just tell by my little man. Go ahead, man. She like BAE. Let's go. She like, man, man, let's go. Chrissy, take him and go. So, you know, walk around, hit sugar and the little thigh ain't nothing. Take a little picture. Go home. You know he. Yeah. And I'm like, listen to this fat ***** you. Know what I'm saying?
They took my earring.
I'm not, I'm not exactly sure what happened there.
I'm no clearer on what happened, apart from the fact that he talked about Petey Pablo, who is on my my music playlist. He was recommended by the streaming service.
Yeah, yeah. I just love. I just love that he's featured on a YouTube channel called the Art of Dialogue because that was that was definitely like all good art open to interpretation.
I like the song.
Over to the box office, a new number one at the US box office, I believe. Or is it a premiere? I think it's the number one. One of them it is, but what it is is significant because it is the feature directorial debut of 1 Judd Apatow with his film, the 40 year Old Virgin.
I think yeah, #1.
Over the years, did you glue?
This which made some scissors.
And these stitzer has lost a lot of girlfriends. But there's one thing he never lost.
I'm sorry.
Are you a virgin?
Ohh, you are hilarious. This is.
Good. You're a virgin.
How can you?
Go 40 years and not have sex.
We just. Can't stop trying.
We gotta help him that we cannot let you go. On being a virgin.
I'm sorry. You gotta highlight your attributes. Just wax.
That whole teen wolf thing off.
No, Kelly Clarkson. You stop smiling.
You look like a mano Lantern.
The problem most men have is they don't know how to. Talk to women. What?
Am I supposed to say nothing? Just ask questions. Are you looking for something?
Is there something I should be looking for?
We have a great. Section of do-it-yourself. Do you like to do it yourself?
What am I talking about?
Ohh, this was a funny movie. It was and it was. I mean, it was the first of the the cast, Steve Carell, Catherine Keener, Paul Rudd. Seth Rogen. You would heard in there? Romany Malco, Elizabeth Banks, Jane Lynch, Andy. Steve Carell's character. Mild mannered action figure collector. I mean, if that doesn't scream chick magnet, I don't know. It does electronic store employee has never had sex at 40 years old. He is still a virgin not because of trauma, not because of anything. Just because of life and it it. It just happened that way.
Been busy collecting his action figures.
So his colleagues in the electronics store, which is Paul Rudd and says Rogan and Romney malco find out and they think it's their mission to help him seal the deal.
Hmm.
To poppies cherry. And so they do. They they send you out dating speed dating. There's drunk women. There's aggressive women. There's chest waxing, which you everyone remembers. The Kelly Clarkson scene. And then. But then I think. And so it goes from that sort of gross out silly blokey thing to romantic and they ruined it because he meets. Fish. Fish. Yeah.
Yes, they're down to Earth. Single mum, who runs a small eBay store.
Yeah.
It's very mid 2000s, isn't it? On an eBay still?
All night too. It's well, it's progressive with 2005, she's an.
Entrepreneur she isn't a hook up target. Unlike the other women, and his feelings make him want to take things slow. And when he tells her that he's a virgin, she doesn't run away screaming. Eventually they marry and boring.
Yes.
That chest waxing.
Ohh spoiler hmm.
Scene was iconic. Because that was real. That was all real, and those screams were all authentic.
That's right. They were, I think, and and that I think that made it even more funny because that was intense, that scene that.
Yeah.
Yes.
Quite intense.
That was such a that was such a early 2000s prank. I remember on radio that we everybody always got waxed. Guys always got waxed, live on air, on radio because that was just the waxing guys was just the thing you did.
All the waxing. About last, yeah.
Early 2000s for a reaction.
Yeah. And then this movie came out, and then all of a sudden, they're doing the waxing stunts all over again. And there's all everything that is old is new again in the world of commercial.
Yeah, we're like ohh. We we did that. Yes, we did that four years earlier.
Radio. Yep. Uh-huh. Yeah. Coming up after beat the. Home we're gonna lack someone, and then we're gonna talk about, I don't know, probably in footy, so wedding crashes was the was the number one film in Australia at the time, which we've already discussed, but we had a a TV departure, which is a TV dispatch even, I guess.
Yes, which I've already.
Hmm.
Yes.
This show, 6 feet under just driving.
Emma by 6 feet under our Internet. Wenzi champion Isaac Wright Wolfe on chalfin Zuzia Agnes Chan. 6 feet under fans. Defensive him, Internet. V.
So Full disclosure, I couldn't. I couldn't find any any trailers in English, so I got it in German and I'm not entirely sure that it's a trailer for the show. I think it might be.
She got a foreign language promo. That sounds a little bit too upbeat for.
A trailer for something that's six feet under fans can do on the Internet. I've I've got the I've got the theme music for it here, so I could just do that, but yeah.
6 feet under. That's probably a better option.
Well, I wasn't sure. I mean, we've got a listener in here.
So you know, maybe they can tell us what it was actually a promo for possibly 6 feet under. Obviously the show all about death aired from 2001 and then ended this week 20 years ago, created by Alan Ball from American Beauty fame and it follows.
Yeah.
The Fisher family, who run an LA Funeral Home navigating death both professionally and personally. Every episode opens with some. And dying. Sometimes it's tragic. Sometimes it's quite absurd. And then the funeral frames, the whole episode, basically.
Yeah. So the the cast was Peter Krause played Nate Fisher, Michael C Hall, Dexter Dexter played Davis.
That was where he got his big. Start wasn't it?
Yeah. Francis Conroy is Ruth. Lauren. Ambrose. Claire. Freddie Rodriguez as Rico Diaz. Jeremy sisters, Billy Turner with and Rachel Griffiths. Our Rachel is Brenda. Brenda. Yes. And it was very groundbreaking at the time. This. What I love this is this good HBO stuff that was coming out now where it was.
Our. Yes.
Like you know, they're using this show as death, where death is like a lens for life. So they make mortality the central character of it. They talk about grief and love and family dysfunction and sexuality. They can talk about anything, really. And it's it was really unflinching, which I think was really good and and just that surreal fantasy sequence.
Hmm.
Yeah. When they started talking to the dead people for their own subconscious, it was actually to one of the first shows. Well, not the first, but probably one of the big popular shows that had an openly gay main character, which was portray.
Yeah, that was cool. Uh-huh.
Hmm.
Aid with more depth and nuance than what you've seen, which is quite ground breaking for that that time. Yeah, it also tackled things like mental illness, addiction, infidelity, moral ambiguity. And it didn't have to have that feel good ending. And I think that whole concept around death gave them a bit more licence to not have to sugarcoat. Things and it couldn't.
Yeah.
Badly, or be a bit rough around the edges.
Yeah.
Yeah. And it just had this beautiful cinematic production that that HBO have become quite well known for. I mean very late.
Hmm.
Head that you heard the soundtrack underneath. It's a really. Nice. Score the the series finale in 2005, though everyone's waiting that aired on the the 21st of August, it was probably, I think it probably still is considered one of the best finales in TV history. Ranked alongside The Sopranos mash because it it gave everyone.
Hmm.
This emotional closure that that match. The show's obsession with mortality, so do you. Do you want to? Do you want to spoil it? Should we say what happened in it or like?
Hmm.
Well, I think everyone's probably watched it here most of.
Most people have, yes, I've. I feel like I wanna revisit it. I.
What hops?
Have to say.
Major life transitions for the family Claires moving away. David's struggling with PTSD. Ruth is newly widowed again.
Yes.
And Nate passed away in season 5, so that's still, you know, pretty fresh and raw. But the final, the final montage is. Pretty, I mean it. It's perfect for the the tone and theme of the show. We see how every single main character dies in the finale on screen Raw, unflinching, but also kind of peaceful as well.
Hmm.
Hmm.
Again, not looking for that warm hearted candy. Kind of.
Ending. No, but it but it's also, I mean talk about the ultimate closure too. Yeah. Ohh wonder. Whatever happened to her, Carrie? Well, Ruth Ruth was in the hospital surrounded by our family, and Keith got shot during a robbery while he was a security guard.
Dodge.
I think David died while watching. A video of Keith playing football.
Hmm.
Brenda died in her sleep. Frederico died on a cruise ship, and Claire lived to 102 and died in bed. Hmm. Yeah. There you go. And it's so that's like, well, they didn't all live happily ever after, did they? No, not at all. Instead, it's like, well, it's OK, like, we're all that's, you know, no one's getting out of this alive type thing.
Yeah.
Hmm.
Yeah. So it was a bit of a master class, I think in that regard because it was something that people hadn't experienced before. And I also like the trend of the. Because you know, up until now, it's always like the good guys always win. There's a happy ending and stuff like that, and there's no good guys or bad guys. It's just like, but there is an ending and they it was cool. It was really cool.
And it was quite it's quite it was quite a taboo topic death and I it still is. You don't see a lot of shows that really deal with it in that way and but it still had that that humorous undercurrent as well.
Yeah.
It was very clever, very good show.
Just when you thought we'd almost exhausted all of our options, we're gonna close out the show. We just made a last minute decision. Yeah, to open up the. Boom box to bring forth the safe space for your boomer complaints, where you are free from any judgement or prejudice or anyone turning around saying OK Boomer, when you say something that you find outrageous and that's OK to be outraged, it is OK in this day. No, you know I know people get outraged for outrage sake but sometimes there are outrageous things that are worthy of being outraged.
Yeah.
Over and that is why. Like we open up the boom box and you can be a part of that, you can be a part of the boom box. All you gotta do is find us over on the socials t -, 20 podcast. You search on those platforms and you DM US and you give us your boom. And if you're feeling really courageous, you can send us a like audio boom. Like record an audio version of it, and then we'll play it.
Yeah. Hold your voice, right?
Back on the podcast isn't that amazing?
Herself on the podcast technology.
I know.
And it's funny, most of the booms are kind of technology related. Well, to this one is this week's from James.
Yes, right. Yes. Ohh thank you James for your boom. Appreciate you. Good on you.
James said. You're welcome. James James.
Just.
Clicked on make a reservation on a restaurants page and it opened FaceTime and started calling them. I cannot stress enough how much I do not want that to happen.
Have you ever done that like it started facetiming by mistake?
Ohh facetiming he faces.
Your dad does that all the time.
But he's kind. He doesn't even ask it's. And I feel a little bit violated. That's the other thing when people face. This time, without asking like and then I'll be on a call with my dad and then face. And he. Then he'll send the face. Ohh Jesus Christ, he's facetiming me as well and it's. Yeah. And then and then it's because he's so using the camera like your face told me and I spent the whole time, you know, looking at his ceiling.
You need permission. Yeah. Need you need FaceTime consents. It rings again and then it takes, yeah. Looking at his wall or up his nose.
Yeah, or up his. That's exactly right.
That's that's what.
And I do they.
Parents do. That's their parents based on.
They do, they do. But there there's gotta be a protocol with face. So I think I I guess I guess if you've brought somebody into the world, maybe you don't need permission to ask for face timing. But I think if you're not, if you're not a parent or a direct relation. Yeah, no face.
You need permission, yeah. You'll get the right. Hey, can I? Go.
Timing without permission is.
Because. Another thing cause. Quite often I'll answer the phone room on the toilet or half dressed. And if you're not really paying attention, you could think you're just picking up the audio and then you who knows what people will say. But can I go rogue and maybe do a second? Boom cause I've got another I've got another restaurant, related ones. I feel like I wanna Chuck too. Is that OK?
Hmm.
Oh really? Ohk. OK. Yeah. Boom away with it. I feel like we have a never ending.
All right.
Supply of.
This one's from slate. Reservations are so embarrassing. Like, hi. I'm here for my spaghetti appointments. I always feel awkward when turning up for reservations. Really. Yeah. See, I'm. I'm.
Like reservations.
Gonna use that though, because I do like Italian. Next time I go out for Italian for my spaghetti.
For my spaghetti appointments.
Appointment.
Yeah, I do. I think reservations are are good and I I think reservations are appropriate and I and the thing that would will make me boom about that is like it. It's inconsistent these days. So some places they'll, you'll ring up and like on a book. And they're like just turn up on the day and I'm like.
It's manners. Ohh just turn. On the day like. In the drawer.
I can't live with that kind of anxiety. Because then it's not locked in, and if it's not locked in and then it's like I get there and.
Yeah. And they go. Don't worry. It it won't be busy. And you're like, well, what if they are? What if this is the one day that you know, every parents group and every yoga class and every football team decide to go to that one place that I.
Right.
Go to for my spaghetti. Appointment.
Exactly. And then it's like we'll put you on a list, we'll put you on a list. Just go, come back half an.
Ah, and then we'll call. You and they never call you.
Hour.
Maybe grab a coffee or something.
No, I don't wanna.
Go to this restaurant. I wanna get coffee somewhere else. And then they never call and then you show back up. And it's like, ohh, someone's just about to leave. So people are leaving and then. You're standing there like an animal.
And you're eyeing them off. Which ones are leaving and which? Which table are we gonna get?
Yes. And then they're like, we just gotta clear the table, and you're standing at the front of the line and you feel like you've cut the line, cause there's other people that have been waiting there the entire time. And you've come back after putting your name down cause you went and did what they said and went for a coffee 1/2.
Ah.
You know what you need to book.
Yeah.
Your spaghetti appointment on FaceTime. It's the only answer.
We made it. We made it to the end. The hatches, matches and dispatches segment. And the clue for this week, a celebrity that tied the knot. This time 20 years ago that said this.
We met in Montreal. She was producing A gothika this movie, I assume with Halle Berry.
If you said Robert Downey junior. You would be correct. He was on a bit of a roller coaster up until 2005. You know, he had pretty heady time in the 90s with drugs and whatnot.
90s. Yeah, he's a bit of a loose unit in. The 90s, isn't he?
Got arrested? Well, I think he joined himself.
Now you got arrested a few times.
I think he had a good time, but his career suffered because of it and they thought he might have been a bit washed up and then he meets Susan Levin, a film producer and an executive. She meets Robert Downey junior in the early 2000s and becomes a bit of a stabilising force in his life and from that grab that's he was telling Ellen all about that.
Where did you meet her named?
Susan yes.
OK, you look very happy when you say her name.
Yeah.
Yeah. And and where did you meet her?
We met in Montreal. She was producing A gothika this movie, I assume with Halle Berry.
Yeah. And what is it about her cause? I would imagine it'd have to be a very special you're. You're really smart, and you're you're really. What? What is it about her?
She's smarter.
Uh-huh.
I like that. I don't know, I mean.
Yeah.
You know, sometimes like you're not certain right away. I mean, I thought that's great, but she's producer and I'm working here and I'm in Montreal. There's a lot of, like, French chicks here. I want to go like you know. But anyway, we got we got to what if we got to know each other? We really got to know each other as you tend to on location and not in that like gross or on location. It's you're supposed to do something dysfunctional and sleep with the producer. I mean, right.
Uh.
Uh-huh.
I did that.
Yeah, it's about. Well, yeah, he did do that. She was the producer of the film that he was working on. So he was I, I guess in in Floyd. Yeah. But she became a very stabilising force in his life. He was trying to get himself back on track. She's very calm and steady person. She complemented his intensity in his chaos that he sort of brought to the.
Sleeping with the.
Boss.
Table and because he was working on his sobriety and rebuilding his life, it just kind of all worked out for them. So on the 27th of August, they tied the knot in a small ceremony in New York City, which was pretty low key. They they wanted a lot of privacy. I mean, Downey junior had been out there a bit, and he just was like, I don't want to be out in the public eye that much anymore. And I think that's that was a real turning point. For him that well that after that.
Was his big career comeback and she played an important role and supported him through that.
That's right.
He went on to obviously star in Iron Man and become one of Hollywood's most beloved actors. We've all forgotten you've forgiven him for his loose unit days. They've got two kids, Exton, Elias born in 2012, and a daughter, Avery Roel, born in 2014 and a lot of fans.
Yeah. Yep.
Credit her her influence as part of his turn around and often seen as an inspiring story of second chances and personal redemption.
Yeah. Good on you, Robert Downey junior and they're still together, which is the most important thing. Good.
That's lovely.
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