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The year is 2005... Anakin turns to the dark side, YouTube makes its debut and we’re all couch-jumping for Maria, McDreamy and The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo…
T minus 20, rewind to this week in history 20 years ago with Joe and Mel.
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When Steve Jobs pulled an iPod Nano out of his jeans’ tiny pocket
Rewind to 4 September 2005 to 10 September 2005
🌀 Katrina fallout
The floodwaters were barely receding in New Orleans and already the finger-pointing had begun. FEMA was roasted for its snail-paced response, Bush’s leadership was under fire and TV screens were filled with images of stranded residents that turned a natural disaster into a national reckoning.
🎨 Art attack!
In Austria a woman pulled out a jackknife and slashed Roy Lichtenstein’s Nudes in Mirror because she thought it wasn’t real. Lady, it’s Pop Art, it’s meant to look fake. Four cuts later the painting was wounded but salvageable and she was promptly charged after also biting a cop. Mood.
🎧 Nano nano!
Steve Jobs blew minds by pulling the new iPod Nano out of his jeans’ tiny pocket. Thinner than a pencil eraser, held 1,000 songs and immediately became the must-have flex of 2005.
🎤 Jacko’s ghost single
Michael Jackson announced a Katrina charity track with a dream lineup — Mariah, Jay-Z, Mary J, Missy, Snoop. What we got? Nada. The song ghosted harder than a MySpace friend request.
🚘 Transporter 2 defies physics
Jason Statham in Miami, flipping cars 360° to knock off bombs and proving gravity is optional. Critics rolled their eyes, audiences rolled into the box office — nearly $90 million worldwide and Statham locked in as the new millennium’s action guy.
🤠 Brokeback breakthrough
Ang Lee’s Brokeback Mountain won Venice’s Golden Lion. Two cowboys in love, one of cinema’s most heartbreaking lines and Hollywood finally gave queer love a serious stage.
🏝️ Reality bites
OG Survivor winner Richard Hatch got indicted for tax evasion. Apparently “outwit, outplay, outlast” didn’t apply to the IRS. He ended up serving three years — proving naked strategy doesn’t beat federal accountants.
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The year is 2005. Anakin turns to the Dark side, YouTube debuts, and we couch jump for Mariah Mccreamy and a girl with the Dragon Tattoo t -, 20 rewind 20 years with Joe and Mel.
2005.
T -, 20. Hey, what do you mean? This is a talk show. -20. Tonight is bananas. Do you see where this is? Don't judge me up. *****, my question is who approved that?
Going not really.
Welcome aboard your hot take time machine. It's a little podcast we like to call T -. 20 that rewinds to this week in history, 20 years ago, covering everything news movies, pop culture, all of the stuff that was fit to print back in 2005, cause they still printed stuff. I mean, there were things on the Internet, but they printed.
Stuff for you printed things off the Internet. I did that once when Wu Tang brought out a new album and I printed.
Exactly. I'm just gonna go and print this off the Internet so I can show all. My friends. Really. You printed it off Internet.
Out. The information off the Internet was about 20 pages of information.
Right, with your hosts, Joe and Mel. Hello, Mel.
Hello. Yes, welcome. We're in September now. September 2005, forced to the 10th this week is what we're talking about.
I know.
Well, today we're gonna do something pretty bold today. We're going to replace it.
What's Steve Jobs?
We're gonna replace it with something.
New. That's ridiculous. What is Steve Jobs gonna replace with new back in 2005? Oh Oh well.
Ah.
An iPod.
Big.
George Bush doesn't care about black people.
Ohh do you remember that moment in the wake of Hurricane Katrina? Bit of a cringe moment. But I think history would have been kind of the Kanye if he had just left well enough alone and stuck with that stuff because like he, he he made some pretty good calls in the in the wake of Hurricane Katrina. This time 20 years ago, and look a very special thing. We've discovered a a lost track from 1:00, Michael Jackson.
There's no need to say, you know. We saw Mama. Right.
Let me tell you there is more to that than meets the eye or the ear for that matter.
Also Katrina related, I believe.
It is very much Katrina. It was a single that they were gonna do to raise money for it, and it's been missing for a long time. But I've found. It or have I?
Interesting. Something that's been missing from our screens for a long time, but it's just had a documentary come out.
Hmm.
I think it. Was on Netflix.
Yes, yes, it was a limited series documentary.
The biggest loser? Retrospective look from the view of some of the contestants. One of the trainers, some of the producers, I think there was even a doctor there.
Yeah. Uh-huh.
Yeah.
That was a really interesting piece to watch 20 years on, wasn't it? We've spoken about the biggest loser because it aired around 20 years ago. I think of, you know, a few episodes ago, we had a better good chat about it. But watching it from the the perspective of the contestants and actually hearing what?
It was horrifying and horrifying.
Really went on.
Yeah. It's crazy. It's a wonder people didn't. Die like it when you.
Yeah.
Watch it as somebody did. I think somebody did die, but not for very long. They they brought him back. And then and then they still threw him in the house and made him. And so I thought I would have thought being as litigious as what America is, they would have dotted their IS and cross their T.
And they they. Yeah, they brought him. Back. Close. That's a close.
Call if they're yeah.
But it doesn't, I mean.
All they would have signed a pretty good waiver said.
They must have. There must have been a lot of legal stuff done in the back end, so to speak, exactly, and people are quite desperate and that's what they they sort of tapped into.
Doesn't matter if we die, that's OK.
For that show, and I did we.
800 calories a day.
800 calls a day. That's nothing.
8 hours of exercise, no carbs.
Yeah, 100,000. Yeah, sure.
No drinking water too, cause you know you gotta don't want that water weight when you're weighing in and the challenges I forgot just how gross some of those challenges were and how they how they were designed to frame the contestants as greedy.
Uh-huh.
And gluttonous and.
Because they'd tempt them with food, they'd dangle food in front of them. It'd be bad food and be like.
But they'd say you'd you'd win immunity if you if you scoff all this food.
Well, yes, you. If you, if you made the choice, or even worse, I think even worse because they they they picked them up and they took them away from their families and they didn't kind of know for how long or what was happening. And there was one particular challenge where. Was like if you break your diet and eat all of this food and let your team down, we'll let you go and see your family. So how important is all this to you? And I'd be like, well, give me a pie.
Hmm.
Give me all the pies. I've seen my family. Monsters. It was like they was. They were doing things that I think would have been outlined as illegal in the Geneva Convention.
All the bread. There's some nice looking breadsticks.
I'm not even joking.
But we jumped aboard the 12 week transformation bandwagon ourselves, and it's interesting. It's really interesting.
Hook, line and sinker. Yeah, we were. Yeah. I used to joke that I used to eat snacks and watch that show. And now I feel just as cruel as the people. That made it.
But it's really interesting to look retrospectively at what the fitness industry looked like. They were different times again.
I you have to say yes. Like we know better. So we do better. Yeah. But we didn't I I guess we didn't know better back then. Maybe we secretly did know better, but we did.
Yeah.
Onto.
It was a completely different mindset. Smaller was better cardio. How many calories can you burn? It was all about the.
Yeah. Uh-huh.
Calorie burned.
Ohh, the calorie burning the cardio. Ohh yes.
1200 calories A day is what we were doing on those those transformations.
Yeah. Yeah, like I did it. I did it, and I did it well. And I lost four. I think somewhere around 30 kilos in 12 weeks.
And it was like protein steamed vegetables.
It was something crazy like that, like.
Yes.
I was losing, I think a couple of times. I lost like nearly 3 kilos in a week and I was like, oh, that's a bit of a worry. And then most times it was like a kilo or so a week, but it was like all up, I think I'd got down by about, I think I'm fairly certain it was around 28 to 30 kilos.
Yeah.
Carbs were the enemy. MMM, you'd eat.
Hmm.
Well, you'd work out so that you could have a meal out you had to.
Yeah.
Earn had to earn your meals. Yeah, it was just such a different mindset. Whereas now it's all about eating to fuel your body. Have something to eat before you go and lift. And it's all about weight lifting. It's not about the calorie burn. It's about building that muscle.
Well, I've learned a lot. It's. Yeah, for now, I hope I I hope we're not having this conversation like in 20 years time going. Ohh well we've done weights you know to try and sort of stave off ageing, but we've complete.
And fueling your body. And it's back to cardio.
Really, to ourselves and well, and cause that's what happens. Like I I screwed up my metabolism really, really badly. And that was just for me. I mean, everybody's built different. So you can't do this. One size fits all kind of stuff. You gotta do what works for you. But I screwed up my metabolism really, really badly. And I feel like I'm. I'm now back to.
Hmm.
Where I was when I finished that 12 week programme. But what I what I've been doing is is like training. Yeah, like using lots of discipline, abstaining from drinking alcohol. Often or as often as I was, and you know, doing the the weights and stuff and it's taken about 18 months to go and lose almost the same amount of weight again. So the same amount of weight that I lost in 12 weeks, I've lost in 18 months and I feel it's much more sustainable. I've eaten more than I would have.
In the 12 weeks, yeah. You're not on the 1200 calories. Yeah, yeah.
With the dreamed of eating in that sort of that programme, where it's basically like we're gonna put you in a POW camp and not feed you and work you to the bone.
Yeah. Yeah.
Really quite a pleasant experience because it's just crazy. Just listen to your tunes and you pick it up and you put it down again and then you go home. You feel a sense of.
Accomplishment. You do. And I was thinking back to what we used to wear as well 10/12/14 years ago. Do you remember? I had a tank top and it had like.
Hmm.
A little tiny square. Pocket to put my iPod Nano in. Yeah. And then it had a hole up the top so I could thread the wired earbuds up through so that they wouldn't be smacking me in the face when I was running and the chip.
Ohh yeah, into your into your head. Yes.
That you put in your shoe to count your steps.
Ohh all of those things this Internet songs.
The polar strap that used to almost cut your circulation off and your torso in half back then.
I. To have the strap the polar strap.
Well, it's the.
Most accurate way to monitor your heart rate, because that was the thing that, like, get your heart rate monitor and all of that business and get into the red zone and all that sort of stuff. And yeah, it's that that I you know what's funny about that though is because I'm back down to the weight that I was. I kept all of my old gym gear. So I'm just wearing the same.
Yay.
Does that? Does it? Are we now fitness influencers? Cause we've had a conversation like that podcast. You go into business.
Ohh absolutely. Join our Trans 12 week body transformation.
Yes. So we need, I need to develop a macro calculator.
Get some you need some recipes and.
Yes, download my app. Yes, sign up or whatever. You gotta bloody do. I don't know.
Yeah, yeah.
Promote, peddle some weird supplement that's gonna transform everyone's bodies. Hmm. Perfect.
Yes. Anyway, it's the hatches, matches and dispatches. Clue time. A little clue that we're gonna play now. Well, for a celebrity, I think birth, death or marriage this week it was a bit spare. So I think we just had like a a birthday, which is what we do. So if we can't find anything, if not, we'll just do a celebrity birthday. So a celebrity.
Thursday. It's just as important. Thank you for diminishing people's birthdays.
Exactly. I'm not diminishing. I'm just. I'm just saying it's for the purpose of the segment. Yes, I am, because that's not what it's all that it's cracked up to be from week to week and we're doing the best we can. A celebrity having a birthday. Who said this?
OK. OK.
Just kidding, environmental regulations are job killers. Yeah, I'm a small business owner right now.
It's really difficult and nobody is going to get it, but we will find out who that person is at the. End of the show.
We obviously spoke last week and I think possibly the week before around Hurricane Katrina, but obviously still in the news for many, many weeks to come because of the response or or lack thereof. And this week on the 4th of September, we had Condoleezza Rice visiting Alabama.
Yes.
After Hurricane Katrina.
This is where it gets really heated and it's it's because of the imagery that I think is being presented in the media now that they've been able to get the media into a lot of these areas that were cut off, they're really starting to understand the devastation, especially in the poorer parts of. Alabama, for example, where it's just black residents stranded and and a huge national conversation starts about race. And poverty and government neglect.
Yeah, particularly the slow response from FEMA became a pretty major scandal for the Bush administration. Rice herself faced criticism for being spotted shopping for expensive shoes in New York during the crisis, which added to that real sense of of disconnect. But I think Alabama.
Yeah.
Is kind of. It's where she's from, isn't it? So she went out there to to visit in the wake.
Yeah. And she was. She addressed the criticism. That the government's slow response was was racially biassed. Now this this particular grab is just sort of more about her sentiment in the wake of Katrina, she was discussing it much further down the track, but she's pretty much held the the same line that nobody, especially the president, would have left people unattended on the base of.
Race. What really did make me angry? Was the implication that some people made that somehow President Bush? Allow this to happen because these people were black and for somebody to say that about the President of the United States, a President of the United States who I know well and the President of the United States, who is my friend.
MHM.
I was appalled and I couldn't believe that people didn't challenge it.
Yeah, Condi, just sticking up for the boss.
But it it wasn't really working. Most people believed that race and class absolutely played a role in the response, and her comment was seen as tone deaf by some as well as an attempt to defend Bush against this growing backlash. And the very next day, in fact, Hillary Clinton, who was then senator for New York and probably thinking about running into the future, ran things up by calling for a full 9/11 style independent inquiry into the government's response.
Yeah, and this, but I I think this isn't just about FEMA or George Bush, this is about the whole system.
Hmm.
Not being prepared, warnings being ignored, and then also obviously the racial and class disparities that were exposed. In the wake of the storm and she, I think she was really playing into the public opinion. That's what people wanted to hear. She like. She was like this is bigger than bad luck. It's bad governance. Critics are like, yeah, she's getting ready for a presidential run. And again, this is sort of a conversation that.
Hmm.
He had much later on, but the sentiment remains the same.
You know, the first thing I say, and I've said it publicly and I've said it privately, is that I apologise and I am embarrassed that our government so. Mistreated. Our fellow citizens, a natural disaster over which we have, you know, no control. You know, it's an act of God happened, but it was turned into a national disgrace and an international embarrassment.
Yeah. So she, she and again that was the line that she was towing for that. And it, I mean, the cynics would. And the cynic in me was also like, you know, well, of course she's going to go for a presidential run at some stage in the.
Hmm.
The future, I think it was still a while before Hillary did.
That and she she wasn't the only one that had something to say. We had the Katrina Relief Telethon a few days later as well. Kanye West decided to add.
Oh, this was the best.
Live a little bit during the telethon.
I I think you gotta set the scene for this cause Mike Myers is like, I mean, he's Canadian. He's probably the whitest guy on the planet or one there of. And he's standing next to Kanye and they're obviously reading the auto queue and everyone knows well, Mike was reading the auto cue.
Hmm.
What he was reading the autocue.
Kanye, not so much.
There's now over 25 feet of water where there was one city streets and thriving.
I hate the way they portray us in the media. If you see a black family, it says they're looting. See a white family, it says they're looking for food and you know, it's been 5 days because most of the people are black. And even for me to complain about, I would be a hypocrite because I've tried to. Turn away from. The teacher TV because it's too hard to watch. I've even been shopping before even giving a donation, so now I'm calling my business manager right now to see what's what is the biggest amount I can give and and just to imagine if I was, if I was down there. And those are those are my people down. There's anybody out there that wants to do anything that we can help with. With the set up the way America is set up to help the the poor, the the black people, the the less well off as slow as Poss. Well, I mean, this is Red Cross is doing everything they can. We we already realised a lot of the people that could help are at war right now fighting another way and they they they've given them permission to go down and shoot us.
And subtle, but in even many ways more profoundly devastating is the lasting damage to the survivors will to rebuild and remain in the area. The destruction of the spirit of the people of southern Louisiana and Mississippi may not being the most tragic loss of all.
George Bush doesn't care about black people.
I don't think he.
Yeah, you gotta get a body language expert to actually look at that. Like the footage Mike Myers's face.
He's he's. I could see him touching his face at one point with his hand and I think he was gesturing for.
Signal. That's like his safety word.
Help. I think it was a signal of. Somebody please cut the feed. Please just do something. Those are not the words on the auto cue that he is saying right now and I'm scared.
Get me the hell outta here. Get me outta here. Ohh, they did. They cut. They cut to Chris Tucker and Chris Tucker's just like Ohh. And it starts doing his bit. I I have to say I was 100% with Kanye on this. I thought this was fantastic. He was. You could hear how nervous he was. He realises he's got a platform and he's just like you gotta admire the moxie he's like.
It's pretty ballsy. Yeah, yeah. Yep.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm going for it. I'm gonna say my piece. I'm. I've got the platform. I'm gonna say what I think. And sure as eggs. Kanye being Kanye. Hmm. He did. And I. Look, I don't. I think his message.
Yes. Yeah.
May have been a bit sensational, like he's talking about, I think rolling the army in to come and shoot us and and things like that. He didn't articulate it very well, but like the obviously National Guard had been deployed and people who were looting were getting shot and it was pretty crazy out there. And he kind of tried to bring a little bit of that into the studio and.
Hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
People were just like, well, and everyone was like, ohh, that's crazy Kanye. But I I think the guy had a point.
I think he was on to something and it and it's an interesting time for him to do this too, because he's only just starting to kind of. Become popular. He's had the album release. Yeah, that could really have destroyed his career. Yeah, quite easily.
Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, if you but but. But the thing was it was this the the the fallout from Katrina was as plain as the nose on your face. And it was because the media were getting in there and they were doing what the media do best and reporting. You know, it wasn't. This is not a time of, like, fake news or stuff that is crafted on the Internet or narratives being pushed to people based on preferences. This was all just out there and in your face, yeah.
This is on the ground footage. Yeah. And he was right there. So there were over 1,000,000 people displaced across the affected states. Black people made up 44% in New Orleans, specifically, 175,000 black residents were evacuated, but only 100,000 returned, which then shifted the racial makeup of the area significantly.
Yeah.
Mortality rates for black adults were 1.7 to 4 times higher than white adults, which shows the unequal impact and things like infrastructure, income, transportation, equalities, needing to evacuate the survival chances weren't the same for everybody.
Yeah.
No, it's not a level. Playing field. No, they don't have the same opportunities over over there as as what maybe a middle class American white family would have. They just don't. That's the reality of the situation. Poor infrastructure, low income, really bad transportation, you know, which is a massive thing. When you've gotta evacuate and it it as soon as you you combine just those three things, like your survival chances are so much lower.
Yep. And you're looking at areas that are often neglected by things like city planning and better disaster preparedness as well. When you look at some of the more affluent communities, they are better positioned to evacuate and afterwards to rebuild as well. They've got the insurance, they've got the money, they can rebuild.
Yeah. Yeah, and. And a lot of it's privatised like there's so much stuff that is privatised over there that it's like if you've got the money, you're OK and if you don't.
Not the case in these other areas. Yeah.
You miss out.
Hmm.
The Commission, the 9/11 Style Commission that Hillary was looking for never actually occurred, but there were a lot of congressional hearings and reports that in the end confirmed what most people.
No.
Connected bungles on every level of government.
Yeah. Yeah, it was a just a complete disaster in every every sense of the word. Let's go to something a little bit lighter. Let's go to Austria. Let's go to somebody who is a a disgruntled German woman. Now, you don't want to. You don't want to tick off a woman at the best of times. I I would argue that you particularly don't want to tick off a German. And and this German woman in Austria was particularly confronted and ticked off about a Roy Lichtenstein painting called nudes in the mirror, so much so that on the 5th of September she decided to attack it. She decided to attack it. Now. Nudes in the mirror. Lichtenstein was that pop artist. So it was that comic book newspaper.
OK.
Hmm.
Prince style. Larger than life, really bold. Dot matrix kind of stuff. Strong colours. I love his stuff. I I did. When I when I. When I was in high school I did a big.
Ohh with the dots. Yeah, yeah.
Hmm.
I studied Lichtenstein, didn't assignment on him, wrote an essay.
Ohh you did an assignment on him. Ohh, OK well, you're well versed to tell us about nudes in the mirror. What? What, what? What happened in nudes in the mirror?
These fan. Well, it's it's a 1994 painting by Lichtenstein. As part of this, it was part of his late new series. It was it. Well, it's it's a full scale take on that whole voyeurism thing. So it's reflection. So it's just it shows a nude lady looking into a mirror rendered in that Ben Day.
Push our nude were nudes in the mirror.
Bots and comic strip style that he has. I'd I'd hardly call it ******. It was more suggestive than everything because it's a.
OK. I was thinking maybe that's why she was outraged. Maybe she was offended by the the *****, no.
It's quite sleek, it's. Very stylistically bold but not graphic, if that makes sense more. I think PG than.
OK. You'd give it a PG, not R, not X or anything like that. OK, good.
Yeah, I wouldn't rate it. R yeah. No, not at all. Not at all. But it was it's it's sort of valued between 4:00 and €6 million according to varying reps.
Oh.
Thoughts. And this woman just had with it and decided that she was going to vandalise.
It well, she didn't hate it because of the nudity. She felt that it was a fake. So she came in. So she had a a bag and smuggled in a jackknife as well as a screwdriver.
Hmm.
All right.
And red spray paints while visiting the Austrian. What was it called the?
Clause.
I'm gonna get you to say that seeing.
The Kunsthaus Bregenz.
Thing you studied him?
The Kunsthaus Bregenz, which means house. In Bregan's house, yeah, yes.
Austria this is the final day of the show and she comes in and she slashes the canvas four times.
I it feels like a bad unmasking in a in a like a detective movie or a a murder mystery like, you know where the the the the detective is solving the mystery. And they got the room together and he's calling everyone out. And then he's like, and they were wearing this fake beard and but it's actually a real beard. Do you know what I mean? Yeah.
Yes. So she slashed it 4 * 12 inches long for each cut. Didn't actually destroy the painting, just damaged it. Because we we had a we had a staff member and a brave visitor who restrained him for more damage would be done and while they were restraining her, she was screaming out that the painting wasn't authentic. It wasn't genuine. So she was doing something about it. However, the the exhibition curator, Rudolph Sagman.
No little fair bit of damage though. Like, not the Lichtenstein, yes. Actually thought it was a fight.
The star immediately refuted it, insisting it was the real deal she was charged with grave property damage. She also attacked the law enforcement officers. During questioning. She scratched one officer in the face and bit. Another on the leg.
I it's you. See these people go into art galleries these days and they do those things where they splash. Ohh. And I just it's really unnerving. It's like ohh. It's just the naughtiest thing, you know, cause we're like, we live in a town in, in, in Canberra where they've got, you know, galleries and stuff like that. And I think it's a real privilege to go and.
With the spray paint. Yeah, that makes me feel really upset. You can't do that.
Is that those cultural institutions and look at the.
Hmm.
Check out the culture and stuff and there's always someone in there watching you and there's always like that invisible line that you can't cross.
I always feel guilty if I step a little bit too close. Yeah, yeah.
It's a laser and little little arm sort of beeps and then security guard comes open, so excuse me from the stack, you know. And then there's, you know, psycho German woman with a box.
Give. Step back, yeah.
Cutter. It's going to town. It's it's. It's really unnerving. So when I see the people, what, like, did they, you know when they throw like the.
Was that the tomato? Was there tomato soup thrown on something recently or something?
Yeah. Wasn't it the Mona Lisa?
Yeah, something like that. It was one that was in. It was behind. Glass so they could. They could clean it.
Yeah, well, thank goodness.
Off but yeah.
I mean, what? What would she do when she walked into the gift shop and saw all the prints that, you know, the souvenirs? Are all fakes and you start ripping them off. Big launch in the world of Technology and innovation on the 7th of September, Steve Jobs is up on the stage, strutting his stuff, working the room, making people applaud and getting excited every time he pulls something out of his pockets, people cheer. Or every time he puts something on a podium, people cheer and there was no different on this. Date.
Now let's go back. To the beginning. Because we started this all with 1000 songs in your pocket, right? We started it with the original iPod. And then we carried 1000 songs in your pocket over to the iPod Mini. Well, now we're going to replace the iPod Mini with a new player, an entirely new ground up design. That also has 1000 songs in your pocket, and it's called the iPod Nano 1000 songs in your pocket. The iPod nano. So let's get a camera. I've got a pocket right here. Now this pocket's been the one that your ipod's gone in. Traditionally, the iPod and the iPod mini fit great in there. Ever wonder what this pocket's. For.
The little pocket, the little pocket on.
The jeans. I've always wondered that. Well, now we know because this. Is the new. IPod near.
Yes. Crowd go ballistic. Listen to them. Control yourselves. Somebody gets security up in here. This is amazing. So, I mean, I like I. I actually like his style here because he's got he's got that thing, that little pocket, the jeans that nobody knows. What's it?
Relatable, relatable none of us know what that pockets for no.
What it's for and classic Joby this is what it's for. It fits your iPod nano, and do you reckon? I just wonder what the brainstorming session there's like all these engineers that are just like sweating bullets. They're completely exhausted cause he just keeps pushing them to innovate and iterate and keep on innovating and keep on iterating his.
Hmm.
Like, alright, you've done that. You've done this? I like the size of both of them. They're nice and small. I want you to go.
Hmm.
Smaller and they're. Like what? How small jobs are like. Come on. He's like, I want it to fit in that little change pocket in my jeans. That's what I think it's for. Change. Just put your change.
It's a change pocket, is it?
In there you.
Know only fit 5 cent pieces in there.
Yeah.
Well, if you had a 50.
I don't know. Anyway, I wonder. Well, it's the nano pocket now anyway, isn't it? It's got a new title. And then so they're all like, ohh, OK, Mr Jobs. And off they go. And they go and make the the iPod Nano.
Who is? Yes, I think that's. What we should call it? I think the interesting thing too with this one. So they would have been really tired and everyone was really surprised. Because I think that only recently released the what was the other one? The mini that that had only been out for a little while and then he's like no scrap it, we're going, we're going full nano get rid of the mini. Yeah. And so everyone had.
The. The mini. Yeah.
A mini would have been pretty ******.
Well, I think it had the same capacity. The Nano, I think that was the thing it had that it had a 1.5 inch colour screen. So you could look at things really small which seemed annoying. That'd be like watching a movie on a postage stamp. And I don't think you'd watch a movie. It was just browsing your album, art, your photos. I think they're about. There was a 2 gig version and a four gig.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah. Sorry.
Version. So you could have 500 or 1000 songs, 14 hours of battery.
MHM.
Although my Nanos battery itself fairly soon after use, so I think I must have charged it wrong or something. Click wheel navigation, click wheel navigation my my my Nana was a couple of generated the touch screen. Yeah yeah, it came in black or white. No more mini colours, which was a bit controversial for people. And it used flash memory instead of a hard drive. So.
Is that the one I have? Two little squirt, yeah, yes. There was.
That meant it was faster and didn't skip or anything when you jogged. It was cause there's nothing spinning in there, yeah.
Didn't skip. Yes, that's. That's good.
Yeah.
Tech went wild. We loved it. Some people complained that it's scratched easily, particularly the black model, and there was no video playback, but overall cemented apples dominance in the MP3 market had sold over 20 million units and.
They loved it, they.
Hmm.
Already this is before Nano, that was that was just iPod in general, yeah.
Moving. Yeah. And then Nano obviously kept the momentum rolling. And so it was 200 bucks for the 2 gig and 250 bucks for the 4 gig.
Yeah.
And yeah, so 18 months old was what the mini was. So it was quite shocking. To people that. He he basically replaced it so quickly, but it did show that they were willing to kill off products just to bring in new ones.
Well, I think that was that step ahead of the competitors as well. This is why people are always chasing them because they're just like. That next thing, and it was pretty cool. Everyone wanted one and I think they were like. Or if we launch something new each year and it's just an iteration on the other thing, and we just change it, tweak it slightly, people will keep buying it, especially if I do these crazy keynotes where I just show them sliding and things into my little pocket.
People will. Keep buying. Things in my pocket. Yes, what else can jobs he fit in his pocket?
Hmm.
Or what can he pull out even rabbits out of hats, hairs out of *****? You know, who knows?
Interesting though 2005, we've got 1000 songs in your little weird pocket today you can stream 100 million songs instantly on Apple Music.
Uh-huh. Sure, sure. Ohh, but you don't own any. Of them, you just. Print them.
But you didn't. You don't have to RIP them into the library and then transfer them into something else and then plug something in. And it was such an ordeal, getting things on your. IPod back in the day.
It it was, you know, it's difficult too.
And you sign in with the wrong Apple ID and then you get your partners music. It's not your music.
Yeah, yeah.
Like what? Why am I listening to this?
It's funny, I've got cause I've got a whole like I love physical media. I still really like the idea of and even a CD, you know, a CD, a a vinyl Rex.
Hmm.
Good. And now even a DVD? I've got lots of music DVD's that are just not available digitally. They're just not there. I can't get them online. I can't stream them. I can't buy a digital copy of it. And I can't because of copy protection. Obviously, there's ways around it, but it's quite the chore to then RIP it. And put it onto one of these services. But then if you put it onto one of these services, it's like, oh, you can, you know, you can share it around your house and stuff, but you can't take it with you, you know, do you know what I mean? Like, it's this, this weird digital rights thing. It's really.
Hmm.
Yeah.
Annoying. It's really annoying, but do you know another thing that was simple about the if we could go back to the nano, another thing that was simple about that, even though it's like, you know, being being a wowser on tech that's 20 years old, that's come along like God, I mean, what's wrong with me? But the earbuds back then. Do you remember them? The wired ones with the little volume control and all of that sort of stuff.
The white. Yeah, that. They never fit in my ears. I'd always have to go and buy other ones from another brand. I must have odd ear.
Yeah.
Which?
But that's what my my tank top was designed for. You put the nano in the zippy pockets, little nano size, and then it threaded up and threw.
Yeah, yeah. And then the cable in the holes. Yeah. You could route the cabling through your clothing. But I mean, now you've got air pods, you've got noise cancelling headphones. You've gotta do the whole Bluetooth link up thing, my Earpods. I don't know. I've got, like, a Gen one set of air pods, and I use it for watching TV in bed, and I'll it'll sit on the charger all day.
Oh.
Oh, nice. Perfect. Your music earrings.
And I'll put it in and watch. Yeah, my son. Calls them music hearings and then I'll. I'll put them on and then I'll go to watch something and then it'll be like 1 is like 97% charged and the other's. 3% charged.
Even happened.
Like exactly. Not to mention the fact that apples top of the line headphones, they're top of the line headphone. Friends are about 8 to $900.00 for headphones.
What?
Ohh my gosh.
I that's how much a computer should cost.
That should just gonna lose, did you? See, they brought back. Pretty much what you used to put your glasses in so that you would you could hang. Your glasses around your neck. They.
Ohh, so that the glasses change for your air pods cause ohh there's so many things I've community noticed.
Put those in for the for your music hearing so that you wouldn't lose them.
Was like I was walking around the lake today and I just found a spare airport. If it's yours, DM me.
Ohh.
Move over to the music portion of the programme.
Up your music earrings in. We're going on a ride.
Put me yes. And get yes. Make sure ones both are charged at at the minimum of 97% before you even start. Otherwise you're only gonna make it with one a year.
Don't you have to charge the case as well? Yes. You passed the case, stupid. Do they? Do they fit in?
Yes, you must apply. You know you gotta charge the case. You can charge the headphones in the case, not charged for the headphones back in case the charge it is. It's just. I'm just it. Is never anything charging.
The nano pocket.
Are they? No, you could. You could wedge them in there. I mean, if you got a pair of stretched jeans, maybe. But also like, because I'm a little bit neurodivergent, I'm fairly confident I'm neurodivergent. I I can't handle anything that has less than 100% charge. It's just gonna be 100% charged all the time. Wrong wig out.
Watch three watch. You're screwed. You're basically screwed.
Can't. Yes, I'd need to start at least start with 100% of a charge.
You need to go back to the old earbuds.
Yes. Anyway, let's charge you with the charts.
Chance. OK, let's have a listen to the top five in the. US.
I'm trying to.
I've got a cute face.
Don't you wish your girlfriend was hot like me? Don't you wish your girlfriend was like me, like me?
It ain't the same, and you keep on playing games like.
There ain't nobody there. Baby, baby.
Ohh Mariah still holding steady. Holding fast at #1 for now.
She also has #2, yes, shake it off. Not the Taylor version. Don't shun #3, lose control #4. And let me hold you. Bow. Wow. And I'm Ryan #5.
Lose control. Missy Elliott, don't you Pussycat Dolls. And then other two, Mariah.
Bit boring over here in Australia still Pussycat Dolls.
Jewish.
Like me. Yeah. Sorry. No, no, I don't. This it's it's just terrible. Terrible song it. It's very bad for men to be listening along. But be along to because the IT it can only lead to trouble.
You can't watch the video clip on your nano either. It's dangerous, very dangerous.
No, no, dear. I'm. I mean, the only person that's saying in that group was Nicole Scherzinger. She she even said so.
That's what Nicole says. Yeah, well, of course. She says that.
Yes.
You never won over in the UK. I love this one.
You just.
I I love gorillas, I love gorillas. Virtual band Gorillaz scored their first number one UK single with DARE, which is from the the second album, Demon Days. Hmm.
Thanks Aaron. Demon days? Yes, that's their first. Yeah, their first number one stayed there for two weeks. We've mentioned it before, it's a it's a band that was created by Damon Albarn of Blur and artist Jamie Hewlett.
Yeah. So he, he, he drew tank girl or he, I don't know if he drew tank girl. He was a Co creator of the Tank Girl comics. I'd say that he must have had something to do with the drawing of it because the style of the art of the characters in gorillas. Very paint girl. I love it beautiful.
Aisha. Daz was very much like Jack, doesn't it? And so the members of gorillas were all animated personas. There was 2D, there was Murdoch Nicoles there was noodle. Russell Hobbs. Yes. Great toasters too, Piers.
Yes. As he was on the drums, Russell Moodle was the the Japanese prodigious guitar player. Murdoch was the. Creepy bass player and bandleader and 2D was of course a vocalist who had done by Damon Albarn from Blur, but in this one Sean Rider is doing a lot of the singing in it. Shaun Ryder guessed it on it on Dare and he was excellent. And then Damon Alban just kind of the backing vocals but it was awesome and the clip was really cool. Too. That's why I love their music videos.
Yeah, it was inside. Yeah, inside their animated HQ Kong studios and featured noodle the guitarist. MMM, on an exercise bike while Sean riders giant disembodied head is kept alive by tubes and machinery.
Yes, it was like a lot. Experiment. Experiment. Yes. Yes. Kind of funny. Kind of.
Yes. Creepy. I loved it.
The.
Interesting fun fact that Ryder originally misheard Damon saying it's there, thinking he was saying it's there, so they kept it and that became the hook and the title of the song and mispronunciation.
Dude. It's. I think that is is is one of their best songs. I think it's great, but I love all of their stuff. They're still going too. They they released an album in 2020 called Song Machine. They released another one in 2023 called Cracker Island. And they've just collaborated with so many people since De la Sol, Mos Def, Elton John, Kelly, Kelly Uchis I don't know who Kelly Uchis is. I know who bad Bunny is. And it I think it is. It's one of those things I still think it's ahead of its time. Like if you think about like.
Bad Bunny.
What people are doing with AI and stuff like that? And I I I mean obviously there's no AI as far as the music creation, but I like the idea of just letting the music speak for itself through avatars. Like I think that's kind of cool. And I I think that it's probably more on the mark.
The virtual band. Yeah, yeah.
Than what AI is because there is still real people and real artists behind it, and it's it's two fold it's, it's that visual art, it's visual art and it's music and it's just a it's a wonderful melding of minds. I I truly, truly love gorillas and all the stuff that they do and I really I I would love the opportunity to go and see them in concert.
He's an artist. Yeah, yeah.
Hmm, with the with the, the projections and all of that stuff, I think that would be fabulous.
Hmm.
Umm, another melding of minds. What happened? Speak 20 years ago. Michael Jackson called in some mates, he revealed that he'd written a charity single called from the bottom of My Heart to support Hurricane Katrina victims. Inspired by the images.
Yes.
Of the devastation.
That's right. He was sitting up at Neverland Ranch, sipping on Jesus juice. He just finished, you know.
Watching the images of the devastation. Not how. What can I do to?
Help. He's like what can.
I do. That's so terrible. I need to help look at the. I'm going to I'm going to write a song to convey a message of heart and hope and donate the proceeds to all the different.
Hmm.
Funds.
And I, and I'm gonna get my friends to join me. I'm gonna call up my friends, and I don't know, like, I mean Michael Jackson in 2005 calling up friends as they.
My friends, my BFS.
You know he's, let's say he rings up like, I don't know, Mariah Carey like. Hello, Mariah speaking. Hi, it's Michael Jackson.
Umm.
Sorry, who? No, I think this is the wrong. Number. Do you know what I mean? Like I just.
Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, friends quite loosely. Yes, he reckoned he name dropped Snoop Jay-Z.
Don't know that. Some people were distancing themselves, yes, but he was like, I'm getting. She's gonna get Mariah. He's gonna get Snoop Dogg. Yes, Mary J Blige. Missy Elliott. Lauryn Hill.
Sierra.
Era. Yeah, the o'jays. I don't. I don't think that's well. He's the guy that was in the the the Ford Bronco in the police chase. That's the only OJ I/O. I don't know the OJ. So I don't know if that's a group or or what, but.
The OJ was an OJ. Didn't know he wouldn't see her. I don't know either, but they they were apparently going to join in with this collab. Gration, but Michael. No, you're wrong about Neverland. He was living in the Middle East at this stage.
Ohh, you're right. Actually, yes, he was. He'd relocated. He'd skipped the country to escape all the and and take to escape the heat from the press and go on to the heat.
So he was. Trying he was. Here's.
Of the.
Middle East he was trying to coordinate the artists via satellite and telephone, and they were apparently recording or going to record in LA and other locations while he was on the satellite phone critique.
Hmm.
Yes.
Them and guiding them through it.
The whole thing was a debacle.
You wanted to release it very quickly to to raise money, but of.
It didn't happen. It was. There were lots of delays. It was a debacle. Apparently it wasn't finalised, never got released, led to some speculating that the project may have fallen apart. You think? Yes, it did. It never went to market. There was never a release date. The track remains largely a promised or an urban legend rather than a finished product.
Course there were delays.
And I think instead of his project, they did a whole bunch of other stuff, like come together now, which was a various artist compilation album Type thing for Katrina Relief. But there have been talks and utterances of it and some people have claimed to to have.
Hmm.
There's some recordings somewhere.
Put put recordings up of it on on YouTube and and whatnot, all of which I think are fake, but one of my favourites is somebody has gone.
Hmm.
So far as to use the magic of modern technology in artificial intelligence to just get Michael Jackson in this day and age via the magic of AI to perform it.
I know. You fly to the other side. Every night he can no longer.
Jesus Christ. So there it is. There it is, in all its artificially intelligent glory.
Where where's all their friends? No friends, they didn't I AI any of the friends?
No, they didn't. AI any friends. I don't think they wanted to get suits, so they just.
In there didn't wanna get sued. That's alright.
Used the dead guy, but it's it. Is it well? I mean, it sounds like him. It's quite nonsensical.
Does it's a bit. It's a bit tinny though it sounds like.
Yeah.
The the trebles up a bit too high.
Yes. Yes, and and the backing bandaged house. Terrible. Terrible.
Well, he was directing them via satellite. What do? You expect.
Exactly. Or maybe his consciousness has been uploaded to the Internet and that's the best. He can do.
Ohh gosh.
Yeah. So it's just, it's basically a ghost track. It's it doesn't exist as far as we know, never released. Somebody's probably searching for it like all those ET game cartridges that were once buried out in the desert. Or something like that and.
Three blocks. 421.
I mean like, why not? Why not open up the boom box? I think it's a good time to do it if you've never been here before and you want to sort of understand what's happening.
Sure.
Just come in. Come in. This is a safe space. Take it. Take a.
Seat put on your Snuggie slippers.
I know it's got a. It's got a big scary name, but it is a safe space. The boom box is where you go.
That's fine.
To put all your boomer complaints into into action, to voice them free of judgement. Yeah, it is a bit like the complaints box.
So if your complaints box, remember the complaints. Hmm. Still love a complaints box.
But. And possibly even a suggestions box. But we're not necessarily looking for what what to do. It's just an opportunity to vent. I mean, if you bring a solution with your problem as well, like.
Yes.
Yes.
Great, wonderful. Thanks for sharing. But whatever happens, you will be you will be free from judgement and persecution here. You will be free from any ***** **** looking you dead in your eye after you've dropped your complaint and just going. OK, Boo. Because we don't do that. Here we celebrate your booms, so send them in to us. You can DM us your booms t -, 20 podcast across all the social platforms, TikTok, Instagram, Facebook.
None.
YouTube. That's it. Not there are other platforms, but if I I'm not sure what.
Hmm.
Yes.
They. Are.
You don't understand.
Cause.
Borderline boomer. OK. Hmm. We have one from catchy.
Catchy, thanks. Catchy. Catchy. Doesn't sound like a boomer name.
And. Archie is not bringing a complaint. It's not bringing a suggestion. It's more bringing a revelation, revelation.
Can't she? Sounds like a pressure washer. Ohh. A revelation, A booma revelation. Sure, we can accept a revelation. Absolutely.
To the boom box. Are you ready for this cause I think this is gonna blow your mind. Alright, so basically companies pay YouTube to show ads and we pay YouTube to not show ads.
Hit me.
We give people.
Wow, he's. Blew my mind. Yeah, that's amazing. Isn't that funny?
A good point.
It's like it's like we, but people are paying for ads so that other people. And then so there it's because, like the people that are watching the platforms are the currency that the platforms used to sell the ads and then they're they're going back and they're like, hey, we've got.
Hmm.
These ads, and we know they're annoying and, you know, they're annoying. But they're our bread and. Butter, but for a small fee.
You can pay. Don't watch yet.
You can be less annoyed by not watching our ads.
And.
I think I was about to say, well, really ads ads are handy. That's when you go to the dummy. But I guess these days people are taking whatever they're watching with them to the dunny. So you don't need the ad break to go to the dunny because you you're not interrupting your show anyway.
Yes. Ah, no, but you'll be in the right place because.
Really. Are you?
They do give you the sheets. Over to. Box office tonight we're at peak. Jason Statham in the year 2005.
Uh, when we, Jeff. Yeah, sometimes.
Peak Statham, where he's transcended, he's transcended the career of the Olympic diver. He shaved his head and he's become an action.
Hero. Was he an Olympic diver?
He was an Olympic diver. Jason Statham, yes.
Was he like? Was he good? Like obviously good to go to? The Olympics, but.
Yes, he represented his country.
In the Olympics, did he win a medal or did he make a big splash? Was he a splasher?
I don't know that he won a medal.
Look.
That is, he's diving career. There is not something that I have followed as close as his film career because like I said, for me 2005 is peak Statham. So there there's probably some diving fans who would argue that maybe the 90s was peak Statham when he was doing half axles with A twist and a Pike at the end.
It's a shame. I have a question. OK, right. That's not, that's not Pete. Was he doing with a partner? Do I? There's so many diving questions they have now. You know, there's two of them that makes me so stressed out because I think, what if? Imagine if you're imagine if you're the one that that ***** up the timing, and then you ruin the other person.
Of the synchronised diamonds.
'S chance. Ohh gosh.
You throw the other person out of sink. I mean, it was a team thing, you know? But I don't know how that works. I don't understand the.
Gosh, no. So much pressure so.
Science behind I.
Much pressure, right? Well, let's dive into his movie career then, shall he? Just like that. So what's what's peak movie? State them up to this.
Ohh, I see what you've done. Yeah. Wow.
Week.
Well, it's the transporter was the big was a big film for him and it was so successful that in 2005, on the 9th of September, the number one film at the US box office was transported to.
Ah, yes, yes, yes.
Hello you have two hours to get me $20 million in non sequential $100 bills two hours, Mr Billings. Starting now, we don't know who we're dealing with. We think the driver. May be in on it.
That's impossible now.
No, he could have been setting this up the whole time and you wouldn't. Know any difference? Got him the.
Best in the business?
Is it stable? Yes, it's stable.
Good. He's back in.
The what do you know?
Game it's more than a kidnapping.
What are you gonna do?
Find the guy responsible.
He's your friend.
This is the.
Yeah, big action Jason Statham versus physics. Hmm, that's the plot. Basically it's. It's pretty out of control. He plays Frank Martin, the ex special forces driver, not diver driver. I think maybe that's kind of how he just kind of lucked into this might have been a typo. He's like, no, a transporter. Yeah. You play a diver. He's like, sweet. Ohh, no, that's a typo. You actually play a driver.
Perfect.
I'm not qualified for that, but he's like, he's obviously that far gone, that he's lied on the well, he hasn't lied on the application. It was a typo, was a big misunderstanding. So he took the role anyway and the rest is history. He is in Miami, this time in the first one he was in France. He's a chauffeur for a wealthy family. He gets caught up when a child is kidnapped.
Hmm.
And then taken by international drug traffickers. And of course, then it just goes ballistic. He drives cars, he flips vehicles, he knocks bombs over, he redefines physics really breaks the laws of the.
Lots of driving things. Grapes.
Right and centre say some boy sorts of bad guys, buy a weapon, plot and all that sort of stuff and looks awesome doing it. The budget was around $32 million. They raced about 89,000,000 worldwide, so they did pretty well triple the budget, big success. The critics, nobody gave it really they it was 52% on Rotten Tomatoes, but people watched it. Jason Statham. It was peak state. You know what I like too? The oh, you go first. I.
Well. No, you finish what you wanna.
Say no, you go.
Now.
Well, I I wanna talk about peak diving. Statham, I've got some information for those of you, like me, who care more about his diving career.
OK.
Yeah.
He did. He wasn't in the Olympics. He represented England at the 1990 Commonwealth Games, where he placed eighth in the 1 metre springboard.
Oh, it's Commonwealth Games. Ohh. Ohh that's that's.
And 11th in the three metre and 10 metre event. So he was, but he was quite versatile then one metre, 3 metre and 10 metre, I thought. You needed to be. You know, I thought they were different skill sets. The higher up you go.
Yeah, but I mean the Commonwealth Games, it's like it's it's them and all the countries that they've conquered, isn't it?
He was in the British National diving squad for 12 years and his interest began when he witnessed a high dive during a family holiday in Florida and he represented England at the Commonwealth Games in New Zealand, right? He came close to qualifying for the Olympics in 1988. Nineteen, 92 and 1996.
Hey, you guys.
Hmm.
Seems very determined, but he never made the team, although he did. He did place well during the trials. Maybe if he just focused on one height instead of trying to do all three, maybe.
Decided to.
That's that's the problem. He was getting confused at the different heights. So that's his diving career, everybody.
Yeah. Yeah, right, you know. We circle back to the film and I love the absurdity of the film, and I I particularly like that grab with the bad guy at the start where he's like you have two hours to give me $2,000,000 in $100 non sequential bills and next time I go to the bank when I'm I'm gonna go instead of going to the ATM, I'm gonna walk into the branch and I'm going to say.
You're going to demand this.
I would like like 40 bucks in $5 notes in non sequential bills just to sound cool.
Just just to see the reaction. Yeah. Ohh, look, look, there he goes.
Ohh yeah, there's a bit of a splash there. I mean, everyone's an expert on diving.
That was a big splash. I knew it. I knew it. I knew he'd be a. Splasher I just knew it.
Yeah, he's a splasher.
Here in Australia, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory is number one at the box office, which we've spoken. About before. But we had it, we.
Right, yes.
Had a big win, the Golden Lion was up for grabs this week.
Ohh, it's the Venice Film Festival, yes.
20 years ago and. Movie by the name of Brokeback Mountain wins the top prize. This is when we first heard of Brokeback Mountain.
That one, the top one, the Golden Lion. Angley, of course. The director. Hmm. The Gay cowboy movie that made everyone cry.
Yes, and made Oscars history.
Yes, Heath Ledger, Jake Gyllenhaal set in the 60s in Wyoming, Ennis and Jack. They played and they fell in love while working as shepherds on Brokeback Mountain. Much to the relief of the. Sheep. Oh, thank God. Thank God they found each other. I was getting nervous.
They had a secret. Relationship for 20 years and they were married. Both of them were married to women. Michelle Williams is that where Heath met Michelle Williams? Oh, there you go. And Anne Hathaway, I haven't.
Yes.
Hmm. Mm-hmm.
I think so. It's quite the tragedy. Have you seen? It. It's really sad.
Is it? Did you cry?
Yeah. It's, you know, the repression and the secrecy and the the the ramifications of the relationship and the effect that it has on their wives and their families and it's. You know, the fact that society wouldn't accept them and the famous line in there of like I wish I knew how to quit you and all of. That sort of. Stuff. It was very groundbreaking at the time.
It was the first mainstream Hollywood movie to portray a gay romance, not as a joke or a side plot, but as the central love story.
With two actors who were absolute heart throbs at the time as well.
Yeah. And also both pretty much at their peak too.
Yeah, I mean it just it smashed a lot of boundaries. Toxic masculinity, homophobia, repression. It took all of. Gone and and Ledger and Gyllenhaal. I think you know, a lot of people say it was career defining for them, but I disagree with that. I don't think it was a career defining performance from either of them. I think it was. I think they're really good actors. I think they were really good actors and they did great. And I think people went a little bit over the top because of the subject matter.
They were both very well established. By the stage, yeah, yeah.
And because they wanted to. I mean, because I I guess cause they wanted to be woke to a degree and I'm not trying to downplay the movie. It's a fabulous movie, but and and it's got a great message behind it. But I mean to say it was a a defining role I think is a bit of a stretch. Which, having said that, nominated for eight Oscars, 1/3 Best Director Adapted Screenplay Original Score lost Best Picture though to crash, which is one of the the big decisions that the Academy hotly debate even to this day it made I mean you think Jason Statham did well, you know with his.
Hmm.
Big controversy, yes.
War against Physics post high diving exploits as the transporter. This one made $178 million worldwide on a $14 million budget. Huge.
Wow.
And also for the subject matter as well, yeah.
I I think one of my favourite things, because it was very controversial at the time and and you've probably seen this online before. But Ledger is at A at a press conference and there's a journalist there that that disagrees with the subject matter of the film and the way he handles or basically hands the **** of the journalist. Back to him. He's fabulous.
This is disgusting.
Ohh well I don't know. I I I think.
Oh.
Yeah. I I I think it's a real shame. I I well, I think it's immature for one, a really immature. But I I think it's an incredible shame that people go out of their way to discuss, discuss or to to to voice their disgust I should say or or negative opinions about the way two people. Wish to love one another's? I mean for you know. Come on. I mean, at least voice your opinions on how two people show hate and violence and anger towards each other. Isn't that more important? I think so. So I don't know and it doesn't really concern me. I think it's a shame, but I also, I also feel that, UM. I I'm also. I also feel like it will surprise people. It's it's not a it's not a it's not particularly a a story. I mean it's obviously about two men in love and it's obviously a gay themed and it's very easily labelled, but unfortunately people are very quick in life to label something that they're uncomfortable with. The the pure fact of it is it transcends a label. It's human. It's a story of two human beings, 2 souls, that are in love is like get over the fact that there's two men. That's the point. The movie is not a story about an epidemic or a virus or something that can be cured in hospital. It's it's we're we're showing that love between two men is is just as infectious and emotional. And and strong and pure as it is with heterosexual love. And if you can't understand that, then just don't go see the movie. It's. OK. You know, we don't care. It's like, deal with it in your own private life. Don't voice it out. You know, it's like we don't wanna know and it's really boring and old and. Whatever you know, but we're very proud of it and I think it's transcended that you know.
Yeah, good on it down. Sit down. Ignorant journalist. I just. I just love how dignified and articulate and how gentle he is with his response to somebody going. That's disgusting. You can hear that. He's clearly agitated by the comment. But just the way he handles it.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
I mean, he's he was just such an old soul, I think. And just one of those. I mean, people like Heath Ledger, actors like him come along like once in a lifetime. He's one of those once in a lifetime actors and it's so it's such a tragedy every time.
Yeah.
Hear or see stuff that he's done, I just think ohh, what a waste. Because he was so great. But anyway, let's go over to TV news. Did this was a gay guy that nobody liked?
Yeah.
Nobody like this gay guy at.
All Richard Hatch, the survivor winner, is this week, 20 years ago, indicted for tax Eva.
That's right.
Vision. Yes, he was the first ever winner of Survivor Back in 2000, I think. Survivor Borneo. He was the nude guy because he ripped off his clothes around camp. And I think the other people were just ohh, can you please put some clothes on?
Yes, the the inaugural. Always.
Hatch had instant fame, making the talk show rounds, even writing a book.
Thanks for being devious.
One thing he didn't do, according to federal prosecutors, was declare his winnings to the IRS hatch. Who ran around? Buck naked on the show was also allegedly caught with his fiscal pants down for failing to declare $321,000 he made from a Boston radio show. How serious are the? Charges.
And the amount of money that Mister Hatch has been alleged to have evaded is quite large. So this is a very serious matter.
Hatch isn't a loan with tax woes. Some lottery winners have failed to pay, and even those lucky folks who received free cars on the Oprah Winfrey Show face an extra $7000 bite from the tax man. Meanwhile, Richard Hatch could face five years in prison on each of two counts, although he is expected to get less than the maximum as part of a plea deal for Good Morning America. I'm Heather Cabot, ABC News.
Hmm, I liked the court with his fiscal pants down. Like what you did there. You which you journal.
Thanks Adam. His fiscal pants down? Yeah, that was nice.
Yeah. So on the 8th of September, the federal grand jury indicted Hatch on 10 counts of tax evasion and fraud. The IRS alleges that he never paid taxes on his 1,000,000 survivor winnings, and at least he had money. At least he had $1 million to pay tax on that. Jane being over there and winning a car, for example, and then not being able to afford to win the car.
And then have to pay money.
Because can't pay the tax on the car.
You gotta pay money. Yeah, that's tricky. He also, as they mentioned, 1 something on a radio show to the tune of around 300 and.
Yes.
20.
Yeah, yeah.
1000. And didn't report that or his rental income. So you know, you can kind of.
Yes.
Ohh, maybe you didn't know for the TV show. No, he think you'd know for rental income. Yes and.
That he's just he's just not done his tax. That's right. He's not gone to H&R Block.
He then said he then said that CBS had promised to pay the taxes on his. Price and they're like.
And they were like, no, that's B. Yeah. Why would you believe that guy? He's the most notorious villain on Survivor. He won that money through deception.
Yes, he also claimed that he was confused about his tax responsibilities. And he was also accused of diverting charity funds from a youth programme that he ran in Rhode Island. Bail was set at $50,000. And you know what he was actually convicted and sentenced to 51 months in federal prison and ordered to pay over $450,000 in back taxes.
Yes. He went he he did about he did about three years in gaol. Yeah, yeah.
He did hard time. Threes.
And then I think he, he I think in 2011 he violated probation, he got another nine months he's been in and out of prison.
Yeah.
A lot like this is not.
It would have been popular in prison either. I can't imagine.
You know you win $1,000,000, you think ohh I'm set for life. This is my pathway to success. Not the case for Richard Hatch. Who didn't pay his? Tax. Hmm.
No. Well, media loved it. Of course they had a field day and it's further cemented his image as one of TV's reality TV's most notorious figures. Even Jeff, the host, said it was embarrassing.
Yes.
Yeah. So I I feel like that there was a there's a there's a missed crossover here between Survivor and lost because you could just, like find out what's in the hag.
Please send maths, Richard.
It's like not a lot of money. Oh, my Lord. We've got books as well. Ohh, it's just there's just too much this week.
We do. Yes, New York Times bestseller on the.
Yeah, a book we didn't read. We didn't read this one.
On the fiction list, chill factor by Sandra Brown.
Hmm.
Chill factor by Sandra Brown. What is it? Is it? A I think it's.
A bit of a a murder mystery. Umm.
Murder. Alright, well, say no more. Murder mystery from Power Music Factory over there on YouTube. So you go to place for lots of copyright free music tracks so you don't get in trouble. You ready?
Very murdery very mystery. And don't go to gaol like Richard.
That's right. Cleary, North Carolina is a sleepy mountain town, the kind of place where criminal activity is usually limited to parking violation. Not so lately, four women have disappeared from Cleary over the past two years, and there's always a blue ribbon left near the spot where each of the women was last seen. There are no bodies, no clues and no suspicion as to who their abductor might be. And now. Another woman has disappeared without a trace. That's that's all I've got for a synopsis.
They're only murdering.
Yeah. I don't even know the name of the protagonist.
Just.
Hmm.
I don't know who the lead character is. I've got. Nothing.
I think I forgot to copy the next paragraph actually, but it.
Ohh really well. Ohh, I think we've got enough. I I I I've. We've got enough to see what the good people of good reads have to say.
Looked a bit boring. Well, look, I think Chris. I think, Chris, one star will shed some light on what the book was all about, Chris.
Mm-hmm.
1. Star this book reads like it smells like. Honestly, my time would have been better spent ************ to Internet ****.
Wow, wow, Chris, one star. You've got some issues.
Mate, Chris, one star. Yeah. A lot of people were upset with Chris. One stars review. And reviewed Chris, one stars one star review, GAIL for one. Yes. Wow. You kiss your mum with that?
Ohh GAIL.
Mouth unnecessary vulgar language.
Indeed, Christopher, one star. Good.
Serena. Agree with GAIL, this is the kind of review that will turn people away from good reads and God forbid, a younger, impressionable individual be on here seeing such trash.
Hmm.
Yeah, I mean, I don't know that impressionable young people should be reading chill factor by Senator Brown anyway, but I'm not sure. I'm not sure. And based on Chris's review I I mean, I don't think they're going to.
Don't know. Diana wish there was an option to report the review of inappropriate language. It's.
Hmm.
Interesting because he's he doesn't actually use any swears in his review.
No quite graphic though.
So he's kind of got around that. I think Vicky agreed as well.
Vicky, I agree. The language of this review was an extremely poor taste. I just love that Chris's one star review got 4 reviews.
Yes. Well, Abby gave the book a One star review and said the language got a little too strong for me, so. Quit. So the language in the book wasn't great either.
I hope Abby didn't read Chris one stars review.
Yes. And then Amanda gave it one star and she she described it as a as a piece of quote literature. R spelled LITERACH double OR literature.
She'd quit good reads.
It was enormous. I love this and I need to start to use the word feculent more in my life. It was an enormous piece of feculent nonsense that is quality feculent that is so quality.
Excellent. That's much, much better than the.
Hmm.
Susan gave it 1/2 star even though it appeared as one star. Susan then clarified and went. I know it's only half, but I can't do 1/2 on the good reads, so I'm explaining in my review that it's a. Half star uh.
Uh-huh.
The romance and sex scenes are unnecessary to the story. Umm, he's too rude with Susan half star.
Ohh right. So just we'll skip over them. Maybe it's the romance and the sex scenes were a little feculent. Let's let's go to the hatches. Matches and dispatches section of the podcast. I'm. Just I I'm really. Interested in in whether or not you could use the word feculent in a positive review like you know like. This podcast.
It was feculent hot or something.
Yeah, it's like, I don't know about feculent, but this podcast is definitely the.
Maybe yeah.
Just go to the clue. I just. I don't know. I'm trying too hard. I'm clutching it.
It's nice. It feels nice to say feculent. It feels nice in your body as it. Comes out feculent.
It feel it feels nice to say yes. Yeah. Hmm. Let's do the let's do the.
Yeah. Yeah, it's a comfortable word to say, isn't it?
Celebrity having a birthday that said this.
Just kidding, environmental regulations are job killers. Yeah, I'm a small business owner right now.
That's them in a sitcom. I think the sitcom is a hint. However, that's them a lot older in a sitcom in a sort of a one off kind of cameo appearance. Who is it? Mel.
Jonathan Taylor Thomas. Teen idol JT celebrating a birthday on the 8th of. September, obviously, teen idol of the 90s in home improvement all over TV hits, Smash Hits JTT and you could cut him out and put him. On. Your folder stickers. There's always stickers of him feel like. Sometimes if I don't style my fringe properly, I look like I have a Jonathan.
Ohh yeah, he was very cute, yes. Yeah.
Style when my fringe sort of parts in the middle, it looks like. Remember that hairdo in the 90s that guys had kind of looked like.
Is that right? Uh no. Ohh.
A tent that was open, you know, like the tent thing open at the front.
I am. Yeah. So I can't Unsee that. And all the intimacy just instantly left our relationship right with what you said just. Then.
He rose.
Every time I'm I can't I cause it's I'm gonna see. Jonathan Taylor Thomas.
Famous Randy Taylor, right, middle son on home improvement.
It's really bad. Ohh, I bet he. Is. I'm sorry.
Yeah.
It was also the voice of young Simba in Disney's Lion King in 19.
Oh yeah, that's what I just can't wait to be king. And then, like, yeah. And then his dad dies. And it's like, careful what you wish for.
94. Yeah. And then obviously heartthrob across all the magazines he was in, man of the House with Chevy Chase, Tom and Huck Wild America.
Yeah.
Yeah, I remember, wild America. That was a. Big film figure.
And everyone loved him. But then late 90s, he just disappeared, stepped away from Hollywood, left home improvement, studied philosophy and history at Harvard, wanted to focus on his education, did a stint at Saint Andrews in Scotland, and then later attended Columbia University.
Yeah, it all got a bit too much for him it all. Became a bit feculent.
Hmm.
Basically choosing books over blockbusters and.
That's right. Probably start doing a few good reads reviews. Probably he there and everywhere. Yeah, he's pretty low profile now, isn't he? Doesn't he? Doesn't get out much. Hmm.
Possibly. Possibly. Yeah, it doesn't do interviews or anything like that, is it does pop up occasionally. So what was that? Grab that you got. What was he in?
I think that was from Tim Allen's last man standing cause and cause. He was obviously played his son on home improvement. So there's some other scenes in that particular episode. He's like he looks so far.
Oh. Yes, yes.
Clear which is the little in joke. Whichever one then you get that sitcom laughter, you know. Cue the sitcom laughter in front of a live studio audience.
Yes, right, think. He lives in. He lives in California as goes other places as well, apparently, but enjoying life outside the spotlight. TT.
Yeah. Good for him. Happy birthday. It's time for us to step out of the spotlight and back into our normal lives, cause that's the end of the show.
Yes.
Yes.
It's not much. Of a spotlight. It's more like a I don't know, like, just a strobe. Yeah, I was thinking it's more like the lamp inside the oven.
The touch lamp, a touch lamp on the first touch. The first touch. You know when.
As opposed to a spot, it's not even attached length. It's like the one in the fridge that's on the fleet fridge that's flickers. Yeah. Where the dim ones.
It's. Dim. The first touch is just dim. It's the third one that's really bright, so we're just like the. Yeah, setting one set, setting one on the touch lamp from copper art. Yes.
Where demon feculent. Yeah. Anyway, thanks for for tuning in for yet another week. We do appreciate you immensely. We love you. Do you anything happening next week, dear?
Yes, thank you. Thank you. Ohh, I think we're going to Disneyland, aren't we? Yeah. Disneyland. Hong Kong's grand opening.
We're going to Disneyland. Ohh well, that sounds like a good time. And love amusement parks? Not. Ohh God, I just did a knot. Why did I do a knot then? Yeah.
How old are you?
Did you just go back to the 90s? Yes.
Pretty old, yeah. Well, I mean this, what did they say that back in the day, the podcasting was Wayne's World for? People frustrated radio people, I don't know. Anyway, what else? Anything.
I'm trying to remember my memory is not so good. Ohh I think eBay bought Skype.
You're trying to remember. Ohh eBay did buy Skype, which I thought was weird that ohh Britain.
Ohh, Britney, Britney, Britney, Britney, Britney. Had her first baby. There you go. That's exciting. Yes.
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