How I Met Your Mother hits screens & INXS finds a frontman

Rewind to 18–24 September 2005

🌪️ Rita raises hell
Just three weeks after Katrina, Hurricane Rita stormed in as a Category 5 beast before slamming Texas and Louisiana as a Category 3. The real nightmare? The evacuation. Millions jammed Houston’s highways for up to 24 hours, gas ran out, buses caught fire, and tragically more than 100 people died — most not from the storm itself, but from the chaos of trying to escape it.

🦢 Blood, sweat and Swans
After 72 long years, the Sydney Swans finally snapped their premiership drought, edging West Coast by four points in a nail-biter at the MCG. Leo Barry’s match-saving mark became instant folklore — “That’s Leo Barry, you star!” echoing through AFL history. Sydney wasn’t just a rugby town anymore — the Swans were legends.

💍 Dutch love triangle goes legal
Victor de Bruijn and not one, but two women marched into a notary’s office in the Netherlands and signed a cohabitation contract. Legally, it wasn’t marriage, but visually it was rings, vows and “happily ever after x3.” Long before TikTok throuples and polycule memes, this was the first headline-grabbing poly contract in Europe.

📺 Mega Mondays
2005 gave us one of TV’s greatest premiere weeks ever: How I Met Your Mother kicked off a nine-year shaggy-dog story, My Name Is Earl served karma with a mullet, Criminal Minds began profiling your nightmares, and Ghost Whispererproved the dead — and Jennifer Love Hewitt’s necklines — could both stop traffic. Appointment viewing was real, and missing an episode meant cafeteria spoilers by lunchtime.

🎤 Rock Star INXS crowns JD
On CBS, Canadian crooner JD Fortune beat out rivals to front INXS, belting “Pretty Vegas” and convincing the band he had Hutchence’s swagger. The fairytale didn’t last — drugs, drama and a supposed “dumping at a Hong Kong airport” followed — but for one glittery 2005 moment, INXS were back in the headlines.

💿 Bow Wow + Ciara = Young Love
“Like You” cracked the Top 10 with Bow Wow rapping about love and Ciara crooning the hook like she already knew she was the future of R&B. Real-life couple, balcony flirting in the video, heavy lip gloss — it was mid-2000s romance goals.

💘 Reese goes ghosty
In rom-com land, Just Like Heaven paired Reese Witherspoon with Mark Ruffalo in a supernatural love story that was part Ghost, part Sleepless in Seattle. With Jon Heder as comic relief, it was pure mid-2000s comfort movie fluff — and honestly, we ate it up.

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The year is 2005. Anakin turns to the Dark side, YouTube debuts, and we couch jump for Mariah Mcdreamy and a girl with the Dragon Tattoo t -, 20 rewind 20 years with Joe and Mel. 

11. 

2005. 

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Talk show minus. 

20 tonight's. Don't trust me? Yeah. This is bananas. Do you see where this is? My question is. 

Who approved that thing? 

Not really. 

Remember when you had to beg the DJ to play your favourite song at the school dance? They never used to play mine. I was like, have you got any Megadeth they didn't like that? Ohh. I went buffering was a lifestyle like an actual lifestyle. And it took days when your iPod Nano was the height of cool. Well, welcome to T. 

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-20, the podcast that cranks The Time Machine back exactly 20 years every single week and puts you in shotgun with us while we raid the news, music charts, movies, TV premieres and the deliciously trashy tabloid headlines of the early 2000s. And then we serve them up with the side of Sass for you with your host. Joe and Mel. Hello, Mel. 

Hello everyone. We are rewinding to 18 to 24 September 2005. 

Trees will fall. Power will be out, Waters will rise. And don't wait. Don't go outside to see what's happening. 

Ever. Like, just don't go outside. Stay indoors for your own safety. It's probably best for everyone. No, that was Hurricane Rita. Just when we thought we were clear of Katrina. And Needless to say, all hell broke loose yet again. 

Couple. Weeks after. Yeah. 

First time in 72 years. Runs the Champions of the AFL. 

The AFL some of our American listeners will be like what's the AFL? I don't know. Stick around and find out when and and and also who would have a swan as a mascot. There you go. We'll find out more about that a. 

Sport. 

Little bit later on Lipping. 

Living with your partner, it's not the same as marriage. Living with someone does not create any kind of legal relationship. 

No, it doesn't. Living with someone does not necessitate a legal relationship. So you need to sign an agreement. Polyamory. We're talking about, you know, like things like throttles and that are all trendy these days. Yes. Yeah, mate. 20 years ago, the Dutch were doing it before it was cool. So we'll talk a little bit about that as well. And then there's a whole bunch of other stuff. A big week for TV premieres, I believe. 

Yes. 

Of course, it was the Dutch. 

Massive and all really big shows that ran for multiple seasons as well, which? 

Hmm. 

Yep. 

Makes me Miss TV premieres from 20 years ago because it was an event you would have months and months of promo for these new shows. Yeah, counting down the week. Everybody would watch it at the same time on the same day you'd go to school or work. 

Long form TV. 

Yeah, yeah. The wait is over. Yeah. 

Yeah. Yep, Yep. 

The next day and you'd be able to. Discuss it with everybody. 

You did well. You didn't have to worry about spoilers because we're all consuming it at the same time. 

No spoilers. And then you'd have to wait week to week to find out what was happening, and it was an event. It was a thing, you. 

Yes, it was an event. It was also creating a lot of jobs for riders, cause most seasons went for about 20 episodes. Now I feel like 10 is the standard. It's like you can binge it in a weekend. But it was like it was 20 plus episodes. 

Looked forward to. They did. They dees. 

Like it shows like lost. My God that went on forever. 

It's about 100 seasons, I think. 

We've packed full of cliffhangers and that would be so challenging for writers. 

Ohh God, how am I gonna? 

Top this how am I gonna hang them off? The Cliff this week, hmm. 

Yeah, I thought the Hatch was a bit crazy with the numbers to be honest. But, you know, they've been riding for a long time. 

The Hatch? Yes, I I did too. 

To hatch. 

So the smoke? Yeah, yeah, the others. 

Number the smoke monster. All of those things find out. Yeah, and I'd be, like, find out nothing next week. Yeah. 

Next week. But now it's you watch it all at once. You watch it in a weekend and you've forgotten it in a week. I think that's the other problem. I can't remember half the shows that we've been binge watched on demand because we do watch them so, so quickly. They all and they. 

Yeah. Which makes them disposable, you think. 

Kind of just blend into one. Yeah, I like. You talk about a show I'm like, oh, that's that showing you like? No, that was that other show with that guy and that other guy. But isn't that the same? 

Yeah, yeah. 

Guy didn't he don't know. 

Unless it's like a big one, like a Game of Thrones style show where where everyone goes nuts for it. Yeah, and it's like it's well, yeah, there's not many shows that have that and incest as well. So there's a point. It had a point of difference. 

Ohh you. It's a bit hard to get the Dragons and the nudity confused with. Yeah, that's true. 

That's yes, good. And. 

I think the other thing as well is you kind of you don't give shows time and space to kind. Kind of set the scene and slowly bring you in. Now if you're not interested after the 1st 5 minutes. 

Yeah. 

No. Yeah, that's crap. Not watching that, not watching. 

Yeah, yeah, yes. And but also just settle in as well, which is I think why you don't remember a lot of them because it's on to the next one straight away. Yeah. Having said that, there's still those, those big voids, this huge vacuum. I feel like there is a content vacuum in spite of the fact that there is so much content. 

That. 

Yeah. 

It's it's like that's that's was it a Springsteen song, 57 channels and nothing on. Yeah. Yeah. And it's it's that has translated to streaming as well. And I'm wondering if the I don't think it's them I think it's us. 

Yes. 

And our our conditioning to be gratified instantly. So you say that. But then it's like the instant gratification and you get that and then you forget about it and then you seek it again. 

Yes. Just keep swiping through. It's like it's like the online dating. Keep going. No, no, not interested. Keep going. No. 

Yeah. 

Yeah. God, I'm so glad that I didn't have to do any. 

Of that, yeah. And you've got. You've really got nothing to talk about with people anymore because you'd go to work, like I said, you go to work or school the next day, and everyone's talking about the same show. Whereas now, because of the choice and all the different platforms. 

Well. 

No one's watching the same thing. 

And but it's also if if they are watching the same thing, like if it's a big. One, there's always some numb nuts that keeps it is behind, right? So you'll be in your group, my. 

You can't talk about it. 

Friend, you're like, Oh my God, did you say that's like, don't don't tell me anything. I haven't watched it yet. 

You have to go. What was the last bit that you saw? So you'd have to try and remember what you can talk about. 

Yeah. So everyone just remains quiet and enjoys it and and keeps it to themselves. And I actually kind of prefer that. I mean, if you've got anything to share, you're probably better off just keeping it to yourself really. I don't. I don't mean that like it it it's we're we're losing the art of conversation because of the parameters that are set up around us. 

And people can't really recommend shows to other people because it's like ohh, that's on bebop, platinum, gold special streaming edition thing over there. There's so many different. 

Ohh my God and I'm like I'm bebop silver plan and I you know I can't do it because I've got the one that has the cricket as well because now we have to watch sport on streaming services too. 

Options. 

We've got too many other things to get through and this is the first port of call the Hatch match and dispatch clue for the hatches, matches and dispatches segment at the end of the show. A clue for somebody's birthdays. The marriages is kind of the theme of it. Loosely. Ah, what's this one? This is a it's just a birthday. 

Hmm. 

No, no. It's a marriage that would that would have gone in the newspaper. 

It's a match newspaper. It would have definitely been in the newspaper. Probably the parents would have put it in. Yes, although I mean my. 

Sure. Both sets of parents, they've gone halves, or they've done one each, but they've competed with one parent have bought. 

Well, my. 

You go column with a picture. You know it costs more with a picture you could get like a picture of. Rings. Or you could put a photo. Yes, little dove, because I always found I loved reading the weddings. Because you'd go. You'd be able to tell when there was competitive in laws because, yeah, one would go well. I'm gonna put a picture and I go. I'm gonna put a photo. I'm gonna use 56 font. 

Yeah. 

56 point. 

I'll see your 56 fonts and I'll raise you 2 interlocked rings. 

Oh, that's expensive. 

Yeah, I I think that one of the people and this might be a little bit of a. Who in this actual coupling was probably old enough to be the other half's parent? Anyway, it's a celebrity who was wed this time 20 years ago. That said this. 

I think the nature of entertainers has changed. It's not about what you're doing on TV or in your films, that it's become like people's personal lives have become entertainment. There's magazines that focus on that, and that's become a show in itself, like our my real life. Has become a show in. Itself. 

Well mate, if we didn't have to binge watch your shows in an entire weekend, you know, maybe we wouldn't have to look to you to your personal life for more content. Thanks. We'll find out who it is at. The end of the show. 

This one ran over a few days, 21st to the 24th of September. Hurricane Rita reaches category 5 intensity, which is the third most intense in recorded history. 

Yeah. 

Yeah. And this is like so few weeks. Yeah. And it's a few weeks after. 

It's a big one. 

Hurricane Katrina in roughly the same area, sort of on the other side of the the Gulf, but in the in the same area. 

Yes. Texas. Scary, isn't it? I I believe. 

It was a very big hurricane season, 2005, so much so that, and I don't know how true this is, cause I just kind of read it in passing. I went, oh, that's an interesting tidbit I might bring that up in the podcast, so much so that I think they ran out of names and decided to use letters of the Greek alphabet or something for them towards the end. But this one, this one had a name. 

Yes, Rita. So Rita makes landfall as category 3 on the Texas Louisiana border at 2:38 AM on the 24th. 

Hmm. 

Yes. 

It was downgraded within 4 hours to a Category 2 as of 10:00 PM and it was located on land 40 miles north of Louisiana, moving at around 10 mph or 16 kilometres per hour with maximum sustained winds of 35 mph. While there were only a few direct deaths. More than 100 people die not from Rita itself, but through the chaos in the evacuation of around 2.5 million people. 

No, that's right. Well, because I was so freaked out about what happened with Katrina that they all just kind of ran for cover. They didn't wait. They weren't gonna. They weren't gonna look around and find out, as they say. 

Hurricane Rita churned the waters along the Gulf Coast, making her presence felt from Galveston to New Orleans. The powerful hurricane has the potential to cause extensive flooding and damage. 

Trees will fall. Power will be out, Waters will rise and don't wait. Don't go outside to see what's happening. 

More than two and a half million people in Texas were relocated out of Rita's path. Parts of Houston are deserted. Highways out of the city are now empty. Some motorists are still stranded after their cars ran out of gas. 

All these poor people are on sitting on the. 

Side of the road, especially with. The ones with little. 

Kids and just. 

No help other residents refused to leave, willing to take their chances with Rita. 

Don't stick around and I'm not. Scared. 

At the airport, the sick and elderly were airlifted on military transport. Planes to shelters inside Texas and Oklahoma, some elderly patients from a Houston nursing home never made it to safety. Their bus was engulfed in flames, killing 24 of the 45 people on board in New Orleans, heavy rains breached already weakened levees, causing new flooding in a section of the city that had just been pumped dry. Katrina's flood. Waters. 

It's just it was terrible, really. That story about the. Bus is is. Horrible and and that was the the is it, irony of the whole thing is that the deaths or the large amount of deaths like we were saying were weren't caused by the hurricane. They were caused by people being hysterical while evacuating. 

It is. 

And it's not to say that. Ohh geez. Well, how could they be so stupid like they've seen it all happen two or three weeks before and just sort of screw this. We're not gonna find out. So we're gonna go and as a consequence, we end up with 120 casualties. All up, including those people that were on the bus. But but. 

Yeah. 

I'm. Saying poor yeah, yeah. 

None from the storm. 

And we did sort of say as it made landfall it it was downgraded to a Category 3 and then a category 2, and it wasn't moving with with incredible speed. But in the lead up it was a category 5, there were 175 mile per hour or 280 kilometre per hour winds. And and the pressure was at 895. MB's, whatever and MB is Nil Miller Bar I don't. 

An MB. I think it's a, yeah. 

Know. 

Millibar, we'll go with millibar, but that was the the fourth lowest ever recorded in the Atlantic at the time. So it was pretty strong until it made landfall. 

Sure. 

Well, and like you say, people didn't wanna stick around. The damage was also pretty steep. $18.5 billion at the time, and a lot of damage to oil and gas infrastructure, which caused a spike in gas prices as well. 

Hmm. And then there was this. Obviously those stories of all the cars trying to evacuate, just running out of fuel in traffic jams, which then just completely clogged all the arterial roads on the way out of. Cities and stuff it was. A disaster. That's why they call them that, but definitely not as bad as Hurricane Katrina, as Rita's bigger sister. Bigger, uglier sister. Speaking of big and ugly, let's but a little bit more lighthearted, I think. Let's move to the Netherlands. 

Hmm. 

You're calling you're. 

Calling you're calling people. 

My homeland, big and ugly. 

I'm I'm it's it's. My people, I feel like this story's a bit ugly. Really. I just don't understand polyamory, OK, I don't get. 

Do you? 

Yeah, I mean, like you and I are married and Jesus Christ. If I had to have another woman in my life, it just wouldn't not be good. Wouldn't end for me. And look, I'm. I'm exactly. I'm sure it's not a sexist thing. I'm sure the feeling is entirely mutual. 

Well, yeah, well, yeah, 1. One husband's more than enough. You take you to, you take up enough enough energy to be honest. 

But I I feel. 

Like this is probably this might be a a like a millennial genex kind of thing because I feel like boomers probably felt the same way about homosexuality. Like, I think that was. It was interesting, interesting to see older relatives of mine. 

All. 

All right. 

Umm, being exposed to friends that I had that were in same sex relationships. 

That were gay. Hmm. 

And while they didn't have a problem with it or they, they weren't offended or affronted in any way, it was just really difficult for them to kind of get their head around it because it was not something that they'd been exposed to in that kind of way. 

Yeah. No and and. 

So maybe maybe like this? Is just our version of of that. 

That's OK. I'm OK with that. I do understand that there's probably an ingrained prejudice that sits underneath a lot of that as well, which is again, it's not something that is particular. The outward or or I guess founded in any kind of hatred. It's just the way people, it's the your product or the environment, the way other people, your peers or your parents or your influential people around you have have spoken about it in the past. That this is exactly what I am doing. 

Hmm. 

Hmm. 

But. Is definitely. 

Right now about polyandry. 

This. 

Is definitely something 20 years ago that probably would have raised numerous eyebrows. 

Yes. So in the Netherlands, Victor de Bruin signs a a contractor living together contract with Bianca, his wife and and then. 

Well, that's not nice. 

Given which which basically rekindles this polyamory debate around the world, and it doesn't come without problems, and in order to kind of address those problems like they they do a living together agreement. So on the 23rd of September, Victor signs this cohabitation contract. Everyone else was distracted by. Hurricanes and bird flu. But the Netherlands just sneaking in there with. Polygamy, which is great, I think, polygamy, polyamory. Is it the same thing? Probably, yeah. Go on. You can Google that if you like. 

Why not? I'm I'm not sure. So what would you have? What? Would you have in the the living together contract? Well, I'm wondering. 

Well, it's important in a in a lot of ways because obviously this person is these three people are in a relationship and if that relationship dissolves, then everyone and everyone goes. How do you split everything up? Right. Yeah. So. So like what happens is Victor and his wife. 

How do you split the assets? Yes, yes. 

And. They go and sit in front of a notary and they're all dressed up like a proper wedding party. It's like going to the registry, right, complete with rings and everything, and they formalise their relationship. Now, legally, that's not a marriage, OK. It's strictly between two people, but it had all the aesthetics of 1. And the reason why this living together agreement is so important. Well, let me just get Nadia Beckett. 

Hmm. 

From the divorce directory and cohabiting resources YouTube channel to better explain it. 

It's really important to understand that that's living. With your partner, it's not the same as marriage. Living with someone does not create any kind of legal relationship, and there is no such thing as a common law husband or wife. So that means that if the relationship breaks down at a later date, there's no legal protection. There's nothing to protect you to provide you with. Financial safety net if the relationship breaks down, you are in the eyes of the law as two strangers, so it's important to consider a living together agreement or a cohabitation agreement. 

Thank you, Nadia. I think she explained that really well. 

So kind of like a prenup. 

Yeah, I guess little bit like some rules. 

A. A prayer mouse. Yeah, this this was the first known three person cohabitation contract in the Netherlands in the Netherlands. Yes, a Victor said that he loved both of them, so he's marrying them both, even though it wasn't legally recognised and and. 

Middle. 

Mere mere, Jim. Is that her name? Is that what I said? Her name was Mirror Jim. Ohh. I said Miriam, but I think it's mirror jam. So I got. 

He said Miriam. 

It wrong, OK. Jam. I don't know where that comes from, but she'd left her husband and moved in with Victor and Bianca just eight weeks after meeting them online. 

OK, that's that's quite. 

So I think it's like, I think, petty if that is the basis, I think it's really good to seek some legal help here. 

A. I think so. 

Yes, and have have some. I wonder if the contract included ground rules like you. You know, maybe only one person can nag at a time or you're like, you need some living together. Rules. 

Yeah. Set up a little roster around the house because he goes from it. Does really? Yeah. 

Showering, you know, like 10 minute showers. It's yeah. 

It goes from being marriage to group House, doesn't it? Really? Yeah. 

Yeah. Who's responsible for the shopping? Who's doing the clicking? 

Suddenly people are writing their name on milk and stuff. 

Who's mowing the lawn? Who's stacking the dishwasher? I think you. 

In the fridge. 

Yeah. 

Need to work all these things through. Hmm. 

Look, they insisted it was very harmonious. No jealousy. And they they reckoned that was. Because both the women were bisexual, so they were enjoying each other's company in the absence of of Victor. And I'm, I'm sure Victor was probably fine with that. You know, if the shoe was on the other foot, I wonder if Victor would have entered, entered the bisexual relationship with the male in order to make it more harmonious. Maybe, maybe not. 

Right. 

Anyway. Way that all happened on the 23rd of September and I think in 2025 it is a lot more visible. Polyamory, especially throttles. I've heard of. I've heard mutterings of throttles happening and I'm like, wow, that sounds like really hard. 

Right. 

Hmm. 

Yes. Yes. Work it does, it does it. And swinging's quite popular. Now look at other the Mormon, the Mormons, the. The young wives, that is a lot of swinging. Going on over there. 

And that sounds like really hard. 

Work as well. Yeah, I mean, yeah. 

That sounds like a lot of efforts. Yeah, I know. 

I mean more because they they they're the ones that have the magic pyjamas, aren't they the moron? 

Really. 

Yes. Who put these stains on my magic pyjamas? 

Maybe it's maybe that's maybe that's the problem. Maybe the pyjamas are a little bit too. 

Magic. Yeah, look. Yeah. 

A little bit too magic, baby. Well, The thing is, is in most places around the world these days it's it's you can't. You can't have a three way marriage that just doesn't happen. It's it's still strictly between two people and polyamorous unions. 

Hmm. 

Not legally recognised and and as a consequence. 

Hmm. 

I think you know a lot of people in throttles still to this day lack those legal protections, which is why victors case is so interesting. So it's like, you know, I think we need to be referring to the Bruin, the, the, the Bruin case from from 2005. 

Maybe they could use his agreement. They could use a draught of that just over type their names because it was a starting point. Don't be. 

Yeah. 

Yeah, exactly. I mean, whose name would you take? 

I wonder I. Wonder if that's gonna change though into the future, because I guess we had the similar thing with same sex marriage. Obviously, that becoming legally recognised around 20 years ago now. Yeah. So now maybe that we've hit that 2. Yeah, Mark, maybe there will be some change and maybe it will become recognised. 

Well. 

There is change happening, so in Scotland the firefighters, unions, LGBTQ plus branch has pushed to recognise polyamorous relationships and safeguard them from workplace discrimination, because there'd be nothing worse than being in a throttle and being a firefighter and having all your firefighter mates give. About the fact that you've got two partners as opposed to just one. I mean, I I don't know, I I feel like having two partners is you'd have breaking rights more than anything in the Firehouse in Australia, in Victoria. Actually since 2024. Families can now register more than two parents on birth certificates. 

Yes. That's true, yes. 

Ohh yeah, I guess that's an interesting change. 

Now that is. 

Enters the scene. Yeah. How does that? How does that work? And I think then when you start looking at things like. 

Is very strange. 

Wills and superannuation, yeah, and all of that stuff. 

Yeah. See Nadia Beckett. Like I said, Nadia Beckett over at the bloody the divorce directory and cohabiting resources. YouTube Channel really has gotta work cut out for it. Addressing all of these things. 

Yeah. 

I was gonna say she's probably got a lot of business going at the moment. 

Yeah, and and I guess, you know, family structures and and and parental structures are quite diverse these days they are. 

Be very busy. 

Hmm. 

And and no two family is shaped the same. So I think that's. That's good. I think it's good that we open our minds to it in California. Berkeley passed anti discrimination legislation project protecting protecting people based on their relationship or family structure which included polyamory. And there's there's a bunch of real life stories as well, I think. 

Hmm. 

There's an empty nester couple in. Thesis there, Bianca and Phillip, they welcomed Delaine into their marriage, forming a closed triad. And they reckon they've thrived. Their their daughter calls Delaine, her bonus mum in? Yeah. A closed triad. Yeah. In lieu of legal marriage, they held their own 2022 ceremony and created a personalised certificate with their kids. Witnesses. So this is the thing like. 

A closed try apps. That's the official term. 

If you wanna do it, you don't. Ohh, that's not legal. It's like, well, in this house it is. We'll just draw up. We'll. 

Yeah. 

Make our own certificates. Well, people aren't getting married these days either. Anyway, are they? You know, and people aren't taking their partner's last name. It's it's very. It's a different world. 

That's it. 

Jump onto Canva, find a template, do yourself a wedding certificate on Canva. Perfect. Perfect. 

Yes. 

Put the little rings on it. That cost you like 60 bucks in the Canberra Times for your your marriage announcement. Yeah, that'd be a longer marriage announcement would cost you more. Money it would. 

Over in the UK, Polycule, a network of interconnected romantic relationships, is gaining traction. Apparently, partners aren't even romantically involved with every member of the group, yet they form this cohesive unit and a lot of young Brits are are open to doing this. I feel like it's just like, you know, if you moved into a group house and the genders are kind of. Of interspersed, there's a possibility that you might end up ******** one of your flatmates. You know, one thing might lead to another. That's what I feel like all of that is. Anyway, as we said that Netherlands were kind of breaking ground here with this. 

Something might happen from time to time after a few drinks, yeah. 

Yes, that, that, that. 

Doesn't surprise me, and I think among Dutch people today 13% identify as polyamorous. 

Wow, that's a lot of polyamorous Dutch people. 

And nearly 1/4 of those are open to open relationships, so not the closed triad model. It's the open to open version. 

Yeah. I I feel like. It's. Just an excuse to get your end away. Whenever you feel like. Really just to keeping your options open, I don't know, but again, you know, our parents probably had similar conversations about those things that you were talking about before Mel. Anyway, it's it's it's definitely interesting. It's clear that younger people are. They're shaking up this idea of monogamy, as they tend to do you young. 

Yeah, yeah. 

This shaking things up. 

Well, and you look. 

This is the other thing. You look at divorce rates and things like that as well. So maybe people are are looking at that and going you know what that's that's not for me. I'm just going to keep life interesting and. 

And keep my options like I said, weren't me. We need to adjust a little bit. Remember, I said a few weeks ago like we we weren't meant to live as long as what we do now. So throw a bit of variety in there. 

Have a bit of variation. Yes. Yeah. 

Alright, let's go over to sports. Speaking of polyamory, sporting teams have been into ***** *** for years. Sorry. 

I don't. 

Think you can say it's a fact? It's been proven. I can say it. It's happened. It's real. Do you research? Anyway, let's go. No, no. Well, are we sure? Not that we know of, but stand by. You know, social media and football players don't mix, so I'm sure we'll find. 

Nothing to do with this particular team. Thank you. Well, not that we know of. So let's 24th. Out one day, 24th of September. 

Yes. 

2005 we have the AFL, the Big Grand Final and the Sydney Swans win for the first time in how many years? 72. 

Yeah. 

So Leo Barry's in the back pocket. Heads along the boundary line. Ohh good mark by Cox. Cox throws it onto the left, one last roll of the dice. Got married. And William, please. The longest premiership. Fall history is over for the first time in 72 years. The Swans, the Champions of the AFL. 

I love those those AFL songs. 

They're not. They're not great, and I feel like primary school primary school teachers. 

I do. I like him. Yeah. 

Did you have that with your primary school teachers then? 

What's that? 

They. Do it if they like the AFL, they make you as the class learner. I had to learn the Essendon bombers song from Mr Giardello in Year 3. See the bombers fly up up. We all had to learn it and. 

Sing the songs. Cindy. 

Sing it, I. I don't think that you're allowed to do that. 

No. Well, I don't. I don't necessarily like the idea of that, but I do like the the tone of the they're all steeped in tradition. They've got. That. Old school, they. Do you know? Founding fathers of AFL type vibe, to them it was a big deal. You know that the Sydney Swans weren't even the Sydney Swans last time they won the Premiership. 

Yeah, yeah. 

They are actually South Melbourne. They were S with the South Melbourne Swans, but they relocated up the city. Well, St Christ, they're Swans in Sydney and South Melbourne like that you could actually use for mascots cause imagine if there was no native Swans up in Sydney and then you still called yourself the Swans. That just wouldn't make sense, would it? But there was that big moment there. Leo. Barry. Leo. 

That's how long it was. What? 

Were they? Yes. 

And they're still Swans. 

And. 

Garry's Mark with seconds to go West. He he he took the kick. And then down the end of the field, their West Coast launched the ball inside their to their forward 50 and then Leo Barry just takes this huge contested mark, which sealed the victory in the dying seconds of the match. It was incredible and that Leo Barry, you star line has been played for years since because it was such a big deal. 

SO44 points one of the tightest grand finals in decades. Just under 100,000 fans in attendance. 

Yeah, it was. It was actually. Whenever I was when I was pulling the sound bite for it, I actually found myself quite riveted by the dying sort of 10 minutes of the. 

You got caught up, you. Got. Caught up in the excitement, did you? That's nice. 

Game it was it. Was very exciting. It was great. I'm not even an AFL fan, but I did find it interesting. And entertaining, Chris. 

Judd, who played for West Coast, won the Norm Smith Medal. The only reason I'm saying that that's Beck's husband. That's the only reason I know that name. Beck. Judd. 

Yeah, Jenny. See, I'm a dyed in the wool AFL fan now. Ohh Beck who? Beck. Judd. Who's she? 

You know the home maker model, WAG. Very famous. She's the one that probably the first one that wore the very, very risque dress to the brown. 

Is she? 

Low and then after that. 

Ohh. 

That it just became anything goes, she started that. Yes, lovely, beautiful, stunning woman. 

She. That did she. And yeah, right. Which made it less about the awards and. 

But then she had. 

She was on one of those. The getaway type shows as well for a while. Which? Yeah, and they've got twins and lots of money, and they're all. 

She. 

Made a well, good honour. You know, like strike while the iron is hot. I say that's very good. 

Just very fabulous. Hmm. Hmm. That's all I have to say about this segment. 

Yeah. Well, this this well, you need to talk about the legacy of this because it kicked off a big rivalry between the Swans and the West Coast Eagles. They met in the next three final series with another Grand final rematch in 2006, which we can talk about. I don't wanna spoil it, I'll spoil it. The Eagles win that one by a point, so this is the very hotly contested grand finals this if this is a gate, if you wanted to get into AFL, I would suggest to watch this grand final or the subsequent year as your gateway because. 

OK. 

I've had people try and get me into AFL when grand finals have been complete white washers and I'm just like I don't understand this stupid sport. It's aerial ping pong to me as as my rugby league family would say, you know, what was The funny thing is is my family died in the Wool rugby League fans, right? My dad's big rugby league fan, huge fan Cootamundra Bulldogs through and through. Yes, his dad was like, I think the treasurer of that club. He was a feeder club for a lot of Group 9 competition back in the 70s. 

Hmm. Hey. 

Pressure up. So did you get special privileges? If the treasurer, did you get to go to sit up the front at the games and? 

Yeah, I don't know, mate. I was a baby. I have no idea at at at regional football games, everyone is up the front. 

Some free hot chips. 

So, so so rugby league fans through and through. So AFL very much frowned upon to the point where I didn't understand it so. 

Rugby League People hate AFL, don't they? Yeah. 

Yeah, it'd be like it'd be. Like if you had like a real redneck father and and and and like in a rugby league family and you came out of the closet and said you were playing AFL, that would be bad. That would be bad. Anyway, my dad's sister married the captain of the local AFL team back in the day. 

Hmm. 

Yeah. 

ohh 

Shout out uncle Wayne. Let's go to music. Let's get away from sport and go to music. 

Same #1 here in Australia and in the UK don't chart. 

Don't you wish your girlfriend was hot like me? Don't you wish your girlfriend was a freak like me? Like me, don't you? Don't you, baby? All right. Saying don't you wish your girlfriend was wrong like me? 

I was going. Why? Is this going on for so long? I knew I. I figured that out as soon as that happened. I was like, ohh, that's why I was like. 

I just wanted to get to the raw orbit. I like it. I like it when Nicole goes. Ohh. 

I was. 

Like this is going on and on and on. Why is this going on and on? That's why it's going on and on. 

Because I'm like. Ooh, rather back, yeah. Number one strange 80s. 

OK. Well, let's. Yeah, let's. Go over to the US charts. Stop. 

5. 

In the house. 

I've got a cute face, chubby waist. 

Nobody told me like. 

Now Adam been with different kind of girls. Like I haven't seen no more, but ain't none of. Them at all. 

Who's gonna take your place? There ain't nobody there. It ain't the same, and you keep on playing games like. 

Oh. Messing with no broke broke. Now I ain't saying she a gold digger. Ohh, but she messing with no broke broke. Get down, girl. Go here. Get down. 

Hmm, that's a big chart, isn't it? Look at the size of that chart with those five songs on there. 

So Sierra was in the house for five and four lose control with yeah, fat Man, Scoop and Missy and Sierra. 

Ohh, some lose control as well. 

Was she, hmm? 

Yeah, yeah, I heard. Fat man skier. Yeah. 

In the house. 

Yeah. And she was in the house in #4 with bow. Wow. Like you like you just? Sorry. Scripter. Possessed by Fat Man Scoop, bless his soul. Alright, Pete. 

Are you are you all right? Strange something. Yeah, we got right in there. In your puffle valve and made you strain it. 

#4 like you Bow Wow feet Sierras in the house. We belong together. Moron three. No, we dropped a little and #2. Shake it off. Awesome, Mariah. Number one. Kanye Gold digger. So, yes, let's have a chat. Let's have a chat about like you by bow. Wow knee, little bow. Wow. 

Ohh yeah. Just bow. Wow. No Lil. Mm-hmm. 

Yeah. 

Yep. 

I never had nobody to me like you. 

Now I have been with different kind of girls like I haven't seen no more, but ain't none of them at all. And I haven't seen the best of the best baby still lying impressed. Cause ain't none of you know. How I feel when I. 

He's definitely just that post voice breaking and. 

I was about to say it's like the all the boys at school when their voices broke, they it sounded like they had a cold for a few months. That's. 

Yeah. Yeah. And I think that. 

Where? He's at. He's just in between that sort of transition to big, deep voice. 

And I think that style of wrapping lends itself to my voice is just broken, and I just want to keep it, you know, down at this register, just in case. Yes, something goes wrong. Yeah, exactly for the biz. 

Yes, but I wanna risk it. We don't wanna risk it. 

Good, yes. 

Second single from his album wanted and obviously featuring Sierra, her fresh off her goodies breakthrough and dating Bow Wow at the time, they were going steady, so that was just lovely. Everybody, the fans loved that. 

M. Well, they ah. 

So he the but where? So the goodies weren't in the car. 

Well, I don't know. I don't know. You'd have to. You'd have to ask. Sierra. That's her business. #3. It gets two in the charts and it stays in there for 11 weeks. It also hit the top ten in the R&B. 

All over bows apartment. Yeah, fair enough. 

Wow. 

And hip hop charts. 

Uh-huh. 

Rapping about young love 1 of bows, biggest commercial hits and I'm I'm gonna say probably because of Sierra. 

Yeah. 

The video was. Set in a high rise apartment building, their neighbours, who flirt from their balconies and eventually meet up. 

Bow Wow and Sierra are. 

Neighbours singing and looking at each other over. 

He's a kid. 

The. 

How old was he at this stage like? 

The balcony. 

Contain. 

Yeah, something like that. But how old? Are you when your voice breaks? What is that? 

Ohh, it's his voice is broken. Let's let's be clear. 

But it's still finding itself still not quite there. 

It I mean there's a window. Yes, it's it's just because it's broken doesn't mean that it's. Yeah, I don't know. I I like it depends. I mean, if do we really want to get into the whole thing of like how? 

Certain boys age. That's it. OK. 

Like for me? For me, I didn't get ***** until I was about, like, 17. 

Well, I wasn't really asking. That was great. Thank you. Thank you. And everyone said that with everyone, right? 

Well, now I've shared it with you anyway, and they used to, and then I'd go to PE in the change rooms and they'd call me Baldy. 

Did you take your undies off PS? 

Yeah, swimming, swimming. We had to changing this. 

Ohh I thought you meant like changing into your PE you. 

Know summer PE, summer PE and you do swimming. You'd have to put your speedos on. 

Takes their undies off. Did you not ever wrap your towel around your waist and do it from under the towel so no one could see? You private. Well, I did. 

But you know well, clearly, clearly, my parents should have bought me a bigger towel. And that's because I was a fat kid. If I'm being honest. 

Not very. Obviously. They flirting off their balconies and eventually meet up lots of early 2000 tropes. There's the flip phones back, the jeans, lip gloss. It was directed by Brian Barber, who directed hey, yeah, by Outkast. 

Yep, Yep, Yep. 

Right. 

And fans loved it. They loved the chemistry between the two because they're obviously they're dating and they were dancing, so felt felt authentic and got wanted the album to platinum status. Hmm. Yeah. And it was for for Sierra kept her a hot streak going after 1-2 step and ohh. 

Ohh, because they're dating. It's like there's no way they're in separate apartments. They're in one together. 

Really. 

That's exciting. 

Ohh no. 

Ohh the O song with Luda. 

And goodies, of course too. 

Yes. Well, that's all very exciting for bow. Wow. That's very exciting. Can we do some? This is Australian music news that kind of hit the international stage really. 

Happy for Bow Wow. And slash reality TV. 

Yeah. Yeah. Do you remember this show, this TV show Rockstar Rockstar in excess the it's like they're the like idol. But for rock'n'roll and in excess obviously. 

Hmm. 

I remember we watched this one, yes. Hmm. 

The not having a singer having a vacant position in there following the death of Michael Hutchence, I think they've they've done a few things that had John Stevens in there at that stage and done a couple of shows with John Stevens. I think in excess like John Stephens in in it as well rather than the reality contestant that they ended up with. If we're being honest. So so in excess Rockstar, the CBS reality. 

That's right, I liked I. Liked him in that I thought he was good. 

Go in 2005 to find them a new lead singer after the death of Michael Hutchence in 1997. There, because you can't be like, it's too soon, it's like 1997 to 2005. So there's a significant passage of time. 

Hosted by. There's there's been a window hosted by Brooke Burke and Nip Ring Dave Navarro. 

Oh yeah, the human nip. Ring. You kiss him and he tastes like house keys. 

Mixed idol style voting with behind the scenes drama, so I think we had we had the all living together reality Big Brother Esque type side of things and then the idol side of things. There's quite a good. 

Yeah, which in hindsight, I think the I think the living together things a bit. 

Mash. Dumb of reality? Well, no, we loved it. We loved the drama and there was tantrums. I think. I think that someone cried. Bad. 

Yeah. 

So that's good. 

Well, it's always good when somebody cries on reality TV. That's what. That's what makes money. That's what makes money in reality TV. But so they go through the whole thing, living in the rock mansion. I just all of those things that that was cringe. I just found that really you're gonna live in a rock mansion like a rock star and do the rock like style then. And then once a week, you're gonna get up on the stage. 

Hmm. 

And get your nips pinned. 

And then in excess, they're gonna judge you and see how good you are rocking. And if you suck, they'll eliminate you. Hmm. And that's kind of what happened. But on the 21st of September 2005, JD Fortune won the competition by beating Marty Casey. 

JD. You sing with passion. You're an amazing performer and you're great to watch, Marty. You adapt, you change and you have become a riveting front person, but only one person can be right. JD, you are right. 

You are the rock star. 

Yeah. And they go berserk. For JD and JD can't control his emotions, he nearly collapses on the stage and Marty the other guys just left standing there like a. Speed going, huh? Congratulations. Yeah. 

What do I do now? Well, I I think to let's let's face it, the names come on. JD, Fortune up front. Or Marty. Casey, what are you gonna choose? Marty should have. 

Yeah, JD bought. Look, JD had a lot of he. He did have a lot of swagger and I think he had. He had a good sound to his voice that was reminiscent of Michael Hutchence that was reminiscent of him, but he. 

Changed the sound. Did. 

He did. Yes. Yes, I agree. 

He was also a bit of a diva in the house as well. You know, he he was one of the people that caused a bit of drama in the Rock mansion because he refused to take part in the group songwriting challenge. And then he had a little hissy fit and then he apologised in tears at one stage. 

Hmm. 

Which was great. TV stole someone's lyrics or got accused of stealing lyrics from another. Housemate. 

They've been shouting match and all of that sort of stuff and then, you know, the rest is history becomes a front man of in excess. He records with with them on that studio album Switch. He has this single pretty Vegas. 

7 yes. 

No. 

And it really wasn't. It wasn't pretty at all for JD. 

Do you think he was trying to? Sounds like Michael, do you think or do you think that is his sound? I I've never really heard him sing outside of that, so I don't know. Do you think he cause he does sound very similar. Was he trying to mimic do you think? 

No. I think he he certainly tried to fit in with the band a little bit. Well, maybe people liked him in that role though, like they did a big tour, a big world tour off the back of switch that song. 

Better name. I remember they performed. He performed on sunrise out in Martin Place and I'm trying to remember. I'm sure there was some controversy. I'm sure something happened. 

Yeah. Jose, if you like. 

When he, before I remember some controversy, I don't know, maybe he's maybe he dropped a swear and Koshy got offended. I don't know. There was something that happened at Martin Place, but JD Fortune, I need to. 

Flash the crowd or. Possibly. 

Well. 

You gotta you gotta make rock'n'roll a little bit dangerous. You gotta make rock'n'roll a little bit dangerous. And when you're throwing it on breakfast television, you really are taking a lot of the danger out of rock'n'roll. The only danger is, is that somebody's not even gonna wake up in time to start the show. But so he had a bad time. Like he. I mean, they did the world tour. They they they reached #7 in the charts in Australia with that single. And I think 37 in the US so it was a minor. 

Go and do that. 

Live breakfast TV. Yeah, who knows? Yes. 

Hmm. 

Peace. But the tour was huge, and then his time with in excess was pretty terrible, really. He he couldn't cope with the fame and the money. He'd he'd been parachuted into this established world famous rock band and got thrown straight into that cycle of touring the world and the fame and all of that that went with it and he just didn't cope with it. 

Hmm. 

The the money, the drugs, especially the drugs. He reckons that the band dumped him at a Hong Kong airport with only his clothes and no money. And the band kind of say, look, he just wasn't in a good state. So. So we left him. He got back in 2010 and 2011. But by 2012, in excess was like, you know what, mate. But don't let the door hit you in the **** on the way out. Yeah, it didn't work out. 

Yeah. You're a little bit. You're a. 

Little bit too much for us. He this year though, he's back in the spotlight and he's doing a plays the best of an excess headline tour in Australia, probably at the South. I reckon he'll come to the Southern Cross Club with that that feels. 

Probably come to the suburb. I'm tempted to go. I think I might go to that, will you? 

Very Southern Cross club. Just to have a look, you could have a cheap steak or schnitty beforehand. 

Can I go? We'll have to get a babysitter. 

That's probably all ages. 

Yeah. Ohh yeah, I suppose I don't know that I wanna. 

If it's at the summer, they might do a matinee. 

Expose I don't. That I wanna expose my child to JD Fortune. 

Chinese. 

Well, he's going to revisit fan favourites. Yeah. And the songs that he Co wrote. And he'll be doing that one. Pretty Vegas, so. 

Yeah. Good. Let's. 

Go do you reckon? I don't know. I don't know, man. Can we go and Heckle? No, you shouldn't do that. That's cool. That's cool. That's cool. 

No, that's mean, that's me. I didn't. Look, I didn't. I didn't hate him. I thought he was a he. 

No, I think it, I think it's a bit rich that a a reality show contestant that was parachuted. 

Was an interesting guy. 

Into one of Australia's biggest bands and audacious. It's very audacious as well to come to Australia and do it to it where Michael Hutchence is revered like revered. He's rock'n'roll royalty in this country. So for him to come into Australia and do the the best of in excess. 

A famous established iconic. To be singing their hits to. Yes. 

That's a good point. Yeah, that's. 

You make a good point. 

Tua is incredibly audacious. 

I reckon you'll go to the Winona Bulli RSL, yeah. 

You'd have to. You'd have to, and possibly Rooty Hill. 

Ohh absolutely. That's a good venue at RSL. It's on it up. It's a good Bistro. 

I mean, yeah, but I. Well, that I mean that is basically that is a pretty Vegas up in the western suburbs of Sydney. Yeah, so. 

It is. Yes, we could follow him around, yeah. 

I don't. I think that is just a bridge too far, somebody who I would follow around and potentially expose my children to though, cause he's quite a wholesome character who had an album coming out this time 20 years ago in 2005, our very good friend Ryan Cabrera. We're like this old mates. We go way back. 

Good friend of T -, 20 as well. 

Absolutely. 

Go way back, actually, next time I'm in the states are probably gonna play golf with him in The Miz. I'm hoping. Yeah. Might get. I don't know. My. I would be happy to Caddy for those two. 

You reckon? You reckon you're getting invite? I'd be happy to watch that. 

I'd be happy to Caddy. It'd be a really long round of golf cause I'm pretty sure golf, but yeah, it'll be a it'll be a long round, but he released an album called You Stand Watching, which is I think, a really good duty statement for people who are going to his show. You stand watching and leave the rest to me. Yeah. Or when you can go for him. A golf. You stand watching, OK. 

Or when you carry or when you caddy from playing, just stand and watch. Do nothing else. Don't touch anything. Hands in your pockets. 

You don't want me to recommend any clubs for you let you know the distance to the hole, no. 

Be quiet. No talking mouth shuts perfect. 

Don't wanna do any range finding out on the course you stand watching and I'll do. I'll do the rest. So he produced as as we know he's a bit of a producer as well and he produced this one himself. 

Yes. 

It debuted at 24 on the Billboard 200 and spent seven weeks on the chart, which was better than JD. Fortune. 

'S much better. Yeah, shine on was the big hit, which dropped in August, which was allegedly inspired by his ex, Ashley Simpson. 

Hmm. 

Love you can't be friends. 

I see I I struggle. With the even if we can't be friends, it's a very and and friends and end it rhymes, so I'm OK with it. It's just it was just a phrasing, just kind of threw me a little bit there. But I think that's what I like about Ryan, who's a bit more quirky. Yeah, more to him than just. 

Farms. 

Yes. 

The standard sort of boy pop. 

Hmm. 

The guy that all the girls love, there's some depth to the songwriting. 

Yes, yes, the single. Photo followed in November, which also got pretty. Good radio play. 

That was a break up song that was a break up song. I don't wanna speculate. I wouldn't want to speculate if that was about Ashley as well. I'm not sure. And I mean, we all know what he's doing now. Like he's he's had the anniversary of on the way down. OK. He's done the 20th. And I wonder if we'll do a 20th anniversary of. 

Who knows? 

On the way. Yes. 

He performed AH, he performed with. Ah, who was it? 

Backstreet Boys was like AJ McLean or someone. 

Yeah, he did that. Yeah, yeah. But he performed with. Who were those young guys that everybody loves? He was on stage with them the other day, and Alexa was. Standing up on backstage. 

Like new, like recent contemporary young guys, not young guys that are now old guys. 

You. 

Here. Who's that? What's that guy? What's that guy? That's a Jonas. That's a Jonas. He performed with a yes. Yes, he performed with the Jonas Brothers. 

Ohh, the Jonas Brothers. Yes, he was up with the Jonas Brothers. Ohh so it was Jonas with a bonus. The bonus Jonas. Well, he's not. Yes. 

He's the bonus. 

Jonas bonus Jonas. There's actually a Cabrera, but nothing else rhymes with. 

Donus. 

Cabrera, much like like, like friend and end, which works fine. 

The Brera with the Hera. 

Ohh the Cabrera with the Hera. Yeah, I think you and I make a good parer and we don't want any polyamory in this house. 

Yeah. Yeah, you like that? 

Yeah. So he's, I think he must be touring with them cause there's a few posts about this. Well, that's very exciting. Go and watch it. I think it's in America. 

The Jonas Brothers and Ryan Cabrera. What's the what's the name of the tour? 

Has it got a name? I don't know. He's just added the Jonas Brothers and he's on stage with them. 

I think it should be called the bonus Jonas Tour, so he'll be Ryan Cerebra with the bonus Jonas. He should be headlining that works, that works, we've got leaves. 

Well, maybe, maybe. Ohh Ryan Cabrera. Feat bonus Jonas. Yeah, perfect. 

Yeah. 

Box. For July. 

Wow. 

I mean. I I know we've discussed quite a few things in this episode and I I thought we might run out of time, but I mean, it is our podcast we go for as long as we like. And I I I think it's appropriate to open up the boom box almost weekly at the moment because there's just so many things to boom about. And if you don't know what I'm talking about. The boom box is where we go. It's the safe space for all of our boomer esque complaints because I'm finding as time goes on, I certainly tend to align myself a little bit more with a lot of the observations of the boomers. I'm sort of sitting in between them boomerang. Next, and it's it is a safe space. It is a space where you can complain. You can you can air your grievances free from judgement, free from the young, ***** ***** who would turn around and look at you and say, you know, OK, Boomer, you don't need to worry about that. It's a safe space. You can do it here. You can come and find us on the socials in order to send us your boom via our DM. You can even record a voice message which we would love to play for all of our. 3 listeners on the podcast. If you wanna do that. Yeah. Yeah. So you can send them to t -. 20 Podcast on the social platforms. You know, the Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, YouTube even reach us there. Send us your ***** and we will. 

They would enjoy it all three of them. Can they reach us on the YouTube? How do you even do that? I don't even understand. Can can you? Well, who's checking the messages? 

I think they can. You can message us there, I think. So yeah. 

I'm. I'm not. I don't even know where our our YouTube is. 

I do sporadically. Yeah. Yeah, I do. I do. I do. At least once a week. 

Do you good lucky cause I'd hate for it, backlog. 

Of audio booms just to be sitting there waiting on the YouTube and we. Just don't know how to access them. 

I I think you're pretty safe there. I don't think you need to worry. I don't think you. 

OK, right. You never know. You never know. It could have been a sudden influx. 

Need to worry at all. Of booms via hmm, there could be. 

Via YouTube, I didn't even know you could do that via YouTube. 

Yeah, yeah. 

Things are done. 

I you can message people, I'm fairly certain. Can you? Yes. OK, that could be wrong anyway. Just. 

We're doing a boom. Please. You're doing a boom, OK? 

Please I don't know all this functionality with those newfangled social platforms. What's this week's boom? 

Raina at RA. RA rayna. 

RA. RA, rayna. Hi, rayna. 

Ronald says it's a fabulous time to be alive if you love and this is a bulleted list. So if you love colon. 

Oh, OK. 

Not if you love colon. The I was talking about the two dots just to lead into the list. OK, we'll start again. It's a fabulous time to be alive. If you love right verification codes. Yes. Verifying your email. Ohh, God yelling real person into a phone at a robot reading nightmarish news all day everyday. 

No, OK. Because that's ohh that confused me. A little, a little bit, yes. 

Hi. 

Hot. That's the last one. It's a fabulous time to be alive if you love. Hot. 

I mean, who doesn't love hot? Hmm. I hate hot. I hate hot. I love cold because as you can warm up, but it's harder to cool down. 

Yes. And as you as you get older and particularly as a woman, when you when you get older and and approach the big change, that's not great. Everything's hot. Yes, you fan. Yes, all the time. 

Gets very hot. It's a bit hot in her. Yeah. Yeah. And. And you don't wanna be taken off all your clothes at that age either. From the boom box to the idiot box in the box office, it's the entertainment portion of the programme. There's a lot of box there. It's a box blowout. 

So much box. It's box heavy. Ooh, Ouch. New number one at the US box office. Just like heaven. 

This is a ROM com. In there. 

I think so. 

Alright, I'll have you know I'm completely capable of meeting men on my own. 

Thing I can do to make you feel. 

More comfortable today. 

Marry me. 

Let's decrease this morphine drip. 

You're so lucky that I have to worry about his work. 

It's just a month to month sublet some kind of tragedy in the family. 

What are you doing? Hello. 

So what kind of encounter did? 

You have in Connor. 

Whoa, whoa. 

There's nothing more stealing here. 

I live here. 

You can't live here because I live here. 

Are you seeing things that aren't quite real to you? 

No way, you don't exist. It's one of those dreams, you know. 

You're dreaming. Get out. 

Another one in my mind. 

Been sort of seeing someone that's not. 

There. I mean, she's emotionally unavailable. You. 

Are I am? I can't remember. 

How is it that I can see her and no one else can? 

Ohh, she cause she's a ghost, you idiot. Yeah. 

He's a ghost. Ohh. 

Yeah, that's the premise for that. It's a romcom with the ghost, I mean. I I think that if you you know you, you wouldn't really need a prenup or anything, just an exorcist to kind of get. Rid. Of that, that relationship, if it all went to crap, really. Reese Witherspoon. Elizabeth Masterson, A dedicated young Doctor Who's a workaholic, who has a car accident. She's also unlucky in love. And then this bloke, David, Mark Ruffalo. The Hulk. Yeah, he he rents her apartment in San Francisco. 

Well, she is she dead at this stage like? 

And. Yes, she's haunting it. 

Or, I thought she's in a coma. 

Ohh, hang on. Oh, maybe she's instead. Maybe she's in between worlds. I don't know. I thought it was ghosts. But anyway, maybe it's just cause she's in a coma and David can see her and she's astral projecting back to her home like, whatever. It's it's not one that I saw. I have to say that that's a much better horror film actually saw. 

Or is she dead? Maybe she's dead. 

Mom, possibly. 

I. 

Hmm. 

No, no, neither time. 

And this is like ghost with Sleepless in Seattle, which just, I mean, makes me wanna vomit blood and all green stuff and twist my head around all the exorcist, $58 million it cost to make. I don't know why it was $58 million just to have Mark Ruffalo. Reese Witherspoon walking around an apartment for the duration of film. Maybe the car crash scene was. 

Expensive. Ohh ghost CGI might be a bit tricky. Special effects John John header from Napoleon Dynamite was in there. He's he's probably gone up off the back of the success of that movie maybe. 

Maybe Mark Ruffalo was expensive at that stage. I think. I don't, I don't think so. I think he just he was good work. If he could get it for John because he was kind of typecast over. They made $102 million, they nearly doubled their money. Not a huge hit, but definitely a decent profit. Mixed reception from the critics. 54% rotten tomato. 

That's all right. 

Those people like the chemistry between Reese Witherspoon and Mark Ruffalo, yeah. 

Cute. Together. That's a cute coupling, I think. 

I think people but a lot of people thought it was schmaltzy in formulaic and I would argue that every single romcom is schmaltzy and formulaic, so I don't know what you're talking about there. Lot of people thought it was pretty sweet, you know? They enjoyed it. Let's go. Ohh Australia. We we we weren't enjoying that. We were still watching the Dukes of. Hazzard. Which I think is very. 

You're right. 

Your novice? Ohh yeah. Jessica Simpson washing the car and car things. That's yeah, that's really unleash, isn't it? 

Yeah. 

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I mean, what else? You want in life, but well, it's good TV. You'd want good TV and there's plenty of good TV. 

Good team there and like we we alluded to at the start of the show, it was a very big week for TV premieres and these are some of the real iconic sort of early mid 2000s TV shows, yeah, all premiering in the same week. 

In the same week, like back to back one day after the other, pretty much on the 19th of September, we had How I Met your mother. 

Attach. 

This my friends. Is the playbook. 

The playbook contains every scam, con, gambit, Flim, Flam, stratagem and bamboozle I've ever used or ever hoped to use to pick up chicks. And give them the biz. From basic moves like that, don't drink that, don't drink that. I saw some guy slip something. 

In there, that guy. 

What? Who? 

Thank you. 

Some more advanced manoeuvres, like the Mrs Stinson fire. 

We have been assigned a new house. Mom, I'd like you to meet Mrs Stinson. Fire. 

Hello girls. 

Have you seen the one in there labelled the snaza? And actually in a top secret government space programme called secret NASA or SNAZA. 

Do you? 

Well, not the. Moon you're familiar with, though I have been. To the. Smoove. 

Yeah. 

I this was a wildly popular show. Neil Patrick Harris there and and Jason Segel there. 

Very popular Doogie, Doogie Howser indeed, we loved that and the flute girl from that movie. 

Ohh yeah, American Pie. They're they're very non-linear love story about how this that it's a dad telling the story to the kids about how that's. I mean, if the dad's telling you a story that takes what 10 seasons or 9. 

Yes. 

They yeah. That's. I Met Your Mother. 

Reasons you know, in order to get to the the punchline at the end of the story, I mean, I know dads are notorious for telling long winded stories. That one was particularly long winded. What I what I couldn't get my head around with this is obviously Neil Patrick Harris is playing like this rampantly hetero womanising character. 

I think. That's a long story. Get to. Point dad. 

That's very long, very long. 

And. We all knew in real life that he was gay at this stage, so I just I found it really hard to be convinced by the character. 

Yeah. 

It was unbelievable. I had a problem with the last track. I had a problem with the laugh track because we hadn't had laugh tracks for a while and I just felt like if you have to tell me when to laugh, it mustn't be that funny. 

Yes, I couldn't suspend my disbelief. 

Hmm. 

Not that. Well, I mean that's that's the kind of the the plight of the sitcom. I don't mind the laugh track cause it's. 

I never got into it. I never got into it. But you're right, it was it. Was. 

It's like, OK, that's what the the rest of the world like. That's how I can sort of fool people into thinking I'm not a sociopath. I'm supposed to laugh. There wasn't that funny. 

Ohh this is where I laugh. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Ah. Yes. Yeah, it's big premiere. The next day, 20th of September. My name is Earl. 

Didn't need a life track for this one. 

My name is. Earl. I'm just trying to be a better person, so I made a listing one by one. I'm gonna make up for all my mistakes. 

Are you Santa? Ohh hello. 

Why are you taking all our presents? 

Aren't. You want. I take your plate. 

I want to suck your blood. 

On the show, that just might change your love. 

You got great *****, Peggy. Her name was not Peggy. 

It's the critically acclaimed comedy that breaks all the. 

Critic. 

Rules. There he was, Earl Junior. 

My name is Earth. 

We love this show. 

We did the redneck making good with his karma. At least I liked the brother Randy. 

Jason Lee was great in it. Yeah, I really liked Jason Leigh. Up until I found out he was a Scientologist. Is he? Yeah, I believe he is or was or might have been. But yeah, you can Fact Check that, but. And so I I still enjoyed the show. I love Jason Lee from the Kevin Smith films as well because he was in. 

He was great. Ah. Hmm. 

He was in mole rats, which was really good and I really enjoyed that. 

Really good. Yeah, he's pretty good. That was up. Yeah. We like. I think we even bought the DVD's. That's how much we liked. 

I think we've got the DVD. Yeah, in storage in the shed somewhere. 

It I think I've. 

Got a V8? I think I've got a VHS of it as well. 

Really. That's. 

Because I worked at the TV. Station. 

Might have been in that transition period between VHS and DVD. 

I worked at the No no. I worked at the TV station that well. I had to write the promo for it so. 

Oh, so you just swiped a VHS? Fair enough. 

You can watch the episode in advance, so I thought, oh, that's special, isn't it? I get to watch it before everybody else. I mean, while it for everybody. 

Nice. Yeah. And I mean, I clearly I was just using you for that exclusive. That's why we were in the relationship. That was the foundation. Cause I can get to watch TV shows early. Yeah, mine early Earls. 

For the VHS. Really, you get to watch them early like a week early. Hmm, that was exciting. 

Yeah. What was it, though, with the premise he had the list because he done, he had a knee death experience. 

Yeah, the least because he'd been an he was an *******. 

He wasn't a. 

Nice guy. And he did he get hit by a car or something? I don't know. Something happened. Something is. Ohh, I better. I better, right? 

Yeah. And then he's like, I'm gonna. My wrongs redirect my karma. Sorry. Made a list and then he went about reversing all of the bad things that he's done. And that was the premise. 

All the bad things, yeah. Now we're all the ridiculous. 

For. Show. Yeah, it was still pretty great. Then. We had a day off. We had a day off on the 21st. 

Things and. Tough, thank goodness. 

Arrested and then on the 22nd of September, Criminal Minds premiers. 

Inside all of us. 

His hope? 

Fear, love. 

But for some there is an all consuming. 

Done. 

Darkness. An evil that cannot be contained. 

Nothing. 

The person's compulsion. To kill isn't written all over their face. 

It's in their mind. 

And their mind? 

That's where we go. Dare to join us. 

Oh, isn't that a mysterious little trailer? 

Not a bad show, it's still going, isn't it? Criminal Minds. I think it is. I think it is. It's well, if it's not, it might be the spin 20 seasons. We're talking about 20 seasons. So it's still going. I think that we're looking at the Mandy Potemkin. Yeah, they're. 

Is. 

Hmm. 

It's had spin offs and things. One of the spinners. Was it? Mandy Patinkin, dude. 

Where they're talking about FBI profilers. Critics were like. Nah, but the audience were like, no, no, no. We want this one. We want this. We like it. 

Everyone loved it, yeah. 

Yeah. And that's why and it's endured for 20 seasons, lots of spin offs, heaps of reruns. It's it's an immortal show. It's one of those immortal television shows. Speaking of immortal, over on the 23rd of September. Well, the show itself was an immortal, but I'm talking about Ghost Whisperer. 

Big hits. 

My name is Melinda Gordon. I'm married. I live in a small town and I own an antique shop. I might be just like you, except that from the time I was a little girl, I knew that. I could talk to the dead. 

So all right, honey. 

Earthbound spirits, my grandmother called them. They're stuck here because they have unfinished business with the living and they come to. Me for help. In order to tell you my story, I have to tell you theirs. 

Ohh goodness me I could this was very cringe this show I. 

Think it was a massive hit as well. All four of these. 

It was. 

A big hit. People were into people were into shows like crossing over with John Edward and they were very interested in the paranormal and the afterlife and we just the 6th sense had come out and everyone thought that was amazing. And so they're like, let's have a show where Jennifer Love Hewitt uses her ***** as antennas into the after World. And then he's able to channel spirit. I'm sorry, but and I feel bad. But Jennifer Love Hewitt, even though she may have been a very credible. Factor the the biggest marketing point for Jennifer Love Hewitt in the early 2000s and late 90s was the fact that she had big jugs. 

Well, they did make her wear a lot of low cut tops in that show they did. They did lean in. Yes. They leaned right in right in and and over the top. 

They really did it. They you wanna talk about leaning into something? Yes. Yes. Yeah. And everyone was like, ohh. And then blokes would come home like, right. What times Ghost whisperer on? 

My eyes are up here. My eyes are. Yes, a lot of men loved that show. Yeah, and all of these shows were on the TV network that I worked at, so. It was a busy time, it was, but we got it a little. We got them all a little bit later here in Australia, but they all premiered around the same time, very busy and I had to do a lot of voiceovers that week. Yes. 

Did you there? I could imagine the promo now. 

This fall, Mondays get Mega, Mega, Mega. 

At 8:00 PM, our dad tells the world's longest story seriously. Nine years for a story that could have been a voicemail, but somehow you can't stop watching How I Met your mother. 

At 8:30 come as a mullet and Jason Lee's got both. He's ticking off A to do list longer than your overdue blockbuster returns. My name is. 

Well. 

And at 9A cheerful little show about profiling serial killers, Mandy Patinkin quits because it's too dark, but somehow you keep watching it while folding. 

Laundry and at 9:30 get under the covers with Jennifer Love Hewitt as she solves ghost trauma while rocking the deepest plunging necklines ever broadcast before 10:00 PM. The spirits aren't the only one crossing over. 

For premiers. 

One night, Mega Mondays 2005. 

All the hooks you can handle. Only on network TV. 

Ohh, still got it love and still available. Still actually they can't afford us these days. 

Look, no, but these days I'm doing bunions and dandruff. 

And I I just think with that industry that business, you know obviously the bunions and dandruff pay very, very well, yeah, bunions and there's big money in bunions. 

Voiceovers. 

It it pays. It pays well, yes. 

Tantra but I just think about that industry and sort of the exit and then if there was to be an entry point like. Hey, don't get me wrong, my ego is not that big that I think that this would ever happen, but it's it's like in the event like sometimes. I'm. Like somebody was like, hey, come back to radio. I'd be like they're ******* way knowing what I know about that industry and how horrible it is that you could ever afford me. Because I'd be like I need I need. 

Imagine. 

$1,000,000 in non sequential bank notes up front before I even start the damn thing. Anyway, sorry hatches, matches and dispatches segment now, much like our career in the media which was dispatched decades ago, but we're talking about birth. There's some marriages and of course this week we had a marriage so. Let's do the clue. The celebrity that was wed this time 20 years ago said this. 

I think the nature of entertainers has changed. It's not about what you're doing on TV or in your films, that it's become like people's personal lives have become entertainment. There's magazines that focus on that. And that's become a show in itself. Like my real life. Has become a show in itself. 

That is right and thank you for giving us something to talk about in your real life, which is part of our show in and of itself as well. If you said Ashton Kutcher. 

You'd be correct. 

Yes, he got married to Demi. Demi Moore, we what we spoke about is it to me that's posh. I've always said Demi Demi. 

I mean is it Demi or demean, I don't know. Depends on which side of that, yeah. 

And Demi, they got married, we talked about their engagement. A little while ago, but let's. 

Yes. 

Milk this for all it's worth. They got married. 

Absolutely. I'm down with milk and Demi. Not so. 

Much Ashton, a private Kabbalah ceremony at their. 

Yes, it was very exactly. At their home at home? Yeah. What do you do at a Kabbalah ceremony? You just exchange woollen woollen bracelets? Red woollen bracelets? Yeah. 

Put one of those little ropes, the little red. That's right. Yes. Madonna loved that, didn't she? 

I guess Kabbalah was very trendy back then, the Jewish mysticism. 

It was. Yeah, she was 42. He was 27 and the only 100 guests. 

Hmm. 

Bruce Willis was there. I remember. That was big. 

He was. 

News and I. 

Yeah, they're on good terms. 

Was like ohh she. Invited Bruce, what? Nobody could believe it. All the tabloids were just going crazy about that detail. 

Yeah. 

I mean, he's a father to a kids. You know, there's there's obviously amicable. 

How dare they still be? Friends. Ohh my gosh do. 

I think I think that's great. I and I actually I actually if we could pause for a second, I I love the relationship that Demi Moore has endured with Bruce Willis, especially given his current situation, which is just awful. It's so sad, but at least there's a little bit of light there with the way that they've all handled that. I think that's something you might anyway back to Ashton and to me, which Pete, we didn't approve. 

Now, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, yeah. Hmm. 

Or did we approve? He was 27. She was 42. Ohh, my goodness. I'm like, dude like, you know, if you got a thing for older women, to me more. Ashton Kutcher is just like he is like the the pin up boy for dating older women. 

Well, I was like, I was like, go you cougar. Well done. I hated the fact though that everybody just kept, you know, pulling up the pictures of her and making her like, ohh, look at all the wrinkles. And she's so old and how dare she. 

She looks amazing. 

That's what I mean. I just hated how everybody hated on her for that. Yeah, if it was a guy dating a young woman, there'd be no discussion about it at all. I thought good on you. I hope. I hope he's nice. I hope he treats you well. 

She still looks amazing. Yeah, yeah. 

I don't think you did cause they they split. 

I am. 

Up they they were amicable as well. As far as I know. But they did have a pretty rocky marriage, like it was extremely Roman. Tick coupling these two, but she'd revealed in her memoir it was called inside Out that she suffered a a late term miscarriage, which was really difficult for both of them, like very late term. And they also underwent IVF, which and they were unsuccessful with that. So that puts a lot of strain. And then there's of course the whole boundaries. That they have. They did go Dutch, they go. They went Dutch, but not in the yeah, so. But in the truffle sense, they they and it was to me to me was in. 

Ohh. Went Dutch. 

There's trouble in the third parties. 

Inducing third parties into the relationship, I think, which is something that she regretted, she said in in her memoir. And so you get to 2011 and it's just like, yeah, there's, there's just a lot of water that's gone under the bridge. Like we've had the the attempts at parenthood that have have not that they've not been successful with. Plus they're trying to spice. Uh. 

Hmm. 

Things up and it's just it's actually been a little bit damaging. And then I think, Ashton. You know, being the younger man with the younger man's urges, I think he he kind of cheated on her a few times as well, which is a bit like I I'm like, what are you doing, man? That's to me more. 

Yeah, yeah. What's wrong with you? 

You you're married to Demi Moore, you ******* idiot. But no, he he was. He had a thing for Mila Kunis, I think. Well, they're, they're together now. I don't know if that was that, but. 

Hmm. 

Well, they're married. They're married now, and they've got they've got a kid. But I I don't know if that was happening at the same time. I think that that timeline was a little bit later. 

Yeah. 

But she obviously had this this massive resurgence thanks to her performance in the substance. 

Ohh, that that movie is so good. 

And as part of that has embraced those conversations about ageing and particularly ageing in Hollywood so. 

Which is she is 62 years old and she looks incredible, but. 

I think it's great. 

Umm. 

Hmm. 

I think the message that she's trying to sort of put put across is that it's like she just looks how she looks at 62. I mean, obviously, she's had some work done, right. We all know that. So. 

Yeah. 

What? But it's also this. You're not, you're not done and dusted when you hit a certain age as a woman in Hollywood, I think is the point that she's trying to make because that was that's been her biggest movie. 

Yes. 

Yeah. At in her career at at 60 in her 60s. So she's trying to say like. You you can continue this. 

I think she should have won an Oscar for it personally, but I don't think body horror goes too well at the Oscars. And yes, I think it goes back to what I was saying about us, not me, you know, not meant to live that long. But but we do. And we live a lot longer these days. So what's wrong with being in a in your physical prime? Hmm. In your 50s or your 60s? Even, I mean, you're probably pushing your luck a little bit in your 60s because you know it is. You can't fight Father time doesn't matter how long you, you or how hard you go. You can't beat Father time yet. Yes, yes. 

Ashton, on the other hand, I mean, obviously married Milla. They they were doing a lot of stuff and were quite popular, but then a couple of years ago heavily criticised for writing those character letters in defence of convicted ****** Danny Masterton. And it kind of all went downhill and. 

Ohh. Danny Masterson. Yeah, and the Diddy parties as well, yeah. 

I think. There's the Diddy connection too, so. 

Yeah. Which is really interesting too, because Ashton and his more philanthropic side of thing also founded a A A a company called Thorn, which looks at capturing online predators. Mm-hmm. So there's been some controversy there, but I I think. 

Yeah. 

I think a lot of Ashton Kutcher's controversies don't really come from the fact that he was dating an older woman. There's more stuff to it, yeah, and these days, he's more into business ventures than acting anyway. I mean, remember, he did punked as well. That show, that was an obnoxious show where you played practical jokes. I just don't like practical jokes. 

No, no. Hmm. Ohh I hated. Show it's horrible. 

No, I I hated candid camera as well. Do you know, once I I caught the 120 to wood and then I got off at the wood and interchange it's. 

Did you? Yeah. 

Not there anymore for the old wooden. 

Yeah. 

Interchange and there was a coffee machine in the wooden interchange and it had, you know, you'd you'd have like, you know, a mocha or a cappuccino or flat white or whatever. And you press the buttons. And my friend and I were being stupid and we're pressing the buttons and we're like, I'm gonna. I'm gonna have a mocha with my cappuccino. Haha. We're being really silly. 

Yeah. That doesn't sound like you at all. 

And then we looked over at where the coffee was about to come out. There was a little sign that said, smile. You're on candid camp. 

Really. 

After being silly. At the coffee machine. I don't know if it. 

Oh. 

Was true or not? I'm just trying to catch people engaging in Tom Foolery with a coffee machine. Well, that'll learn you. 

Being stupid. It's like, yeah. Yeah. So there you go. I don't know if I was ever on it. If anyone ever saw me on it, pressing the the coffee buttons at the word and interchange, let me know like to track down an episode. 

Yeah, that doesn't really. No, it doesn't sound like really tonight on candid camera, the coffee machine at the wooden interchange, see. 

I know and I don't. 

No, it doesn't really see it. 

Think Ashton Kutcher would have put that on? 

I mean, I mean, if you doing punked at a Diddy party, that's there's now, I would watch that. I would watch that. But alas, we'll probably just have to watch that play out in court. Instead, we're done for this week. Now, an interesting week next week. Remember the the Abu Ghraib. The photos in the prison. 

I love it. Ohh. 

Well, one of the people from that will get convicted next week, but not next week, as in, in the future it's we're talking 2005. I don't need to explain this to you. I don't know why I felt like I did. That was very man. 

Yep. 

MHM. 

I'm a man and you need to be explained too. 

Sorry. 

That's good. We've got a book too. It's been a while between. 

That one. 

Books. Yes. Books. 

Hi. 

We didn't read always a good time, Fernando Alonso, one of my favourite Formula One drivers, a big milestone for him 20 years ago and just a whole bunch of other great stuff, I think. 

Oh love amando. 

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Tabs on that. 

Are you not looking after Facebook? 

No, I sometimes put things on there, but I I'm not on the Facebook. 

So I that's. 

No, I don't think. I don't think anyone is really on the Facebook these days to be honest with you, judging by a bit that I see. 

No, no. 

Over there. So anyway. 

Parents are on Facebook seeing what their kids. 

Yes. 

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