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Rewind to 25 September to 1 October 2005 — when emo kids were discovering top hats, Fergie was making “lady lumps” a phrase and Bali gets hit by bombings again.

🪖 Abu Ghraib’s dark shadow
Lynndie England was found guilty in a military court for her role in the prisoner abuse scandal. The photos had already shocked the world, but her conviction cemented her as the face of the U.S. military’s biggest disgrace of the era.

💣 Bali bombings again
Three suicide bombers struck tourist hubs in Jimbaran and Kuta, killing 20 and injuring over 100. Just three years after the 2002 bombings, it was another gut-punch for Indonesia’s holiday island and for Australian tourists in particular.

🏎️ Alonso makes history
24-year-old Fernando Alonso finished 3rd in Brazil but still clinched the Formula 1 World Championship — ending Schumacher’s five-year reign. Cue a new era of young guns in F1.

🍑 My lovely lady lumps
Love it or loathe it, the Peas’ “My Humps” dropped this week. Critics said dumb, clubs said pump it and suddenly the world had to live with Fergie saying “lumps” on repeat.

🎩 Panic! storms in
Las Vegas misfits Panic! at the Disco released their debut A Fever You Can’t Sweat Out. Half synthy chaos, half cabaret melodrama, it made eyeliner, top hats and long song titles peak mid-2000s fashion.

✈️ Jodie Foster loses a kid mid-flight
Thriller Flightplan had everyone glued to their armrests. Was Jodie losing it, or was there really a conspiracy? Audiences lapped it up, critics less so.

📺 50 years, 50 shows
Australia celebrated half a century of television with a primetime countdown. Neighbours topped the list, proving Ramsay Street still reigned supreme.

📚 Clive Cussler goes off the rails
Polar Shift hit shelves, promising earth-shattering thrills. Reviews ranged from “fun ride” to “physics says nope” to “LOL funniest audiobook ever” — so, peak Cussler.

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The year is 2005. Anakin turns to the Dark side, YouTube debuts, and we couch jump for Mariah Mcdreamy and a girl with the Dragon Tattoo t -, 20 rewind 20 years with Joe and Mel. 

September 2005. 

Hey, what do you think this is a? Talk show minus. 20 It's a nice breaker. Don't judge me. 

Yet this is bananas. 

My question is who approved that? 

Do you see where this? 

Is going. Not really. 

Hey, remember when your phone was like a massive brick and your playlist, they didn't live anywhere near that phone. They lived on like an iPod or better yet, CD's and TV shows, TV shows premiered at a specific time. Weren't available on demand. You'd everyone had watched them all together at the same time. Well, welcome to T mini. 20 It means you're old and where the podcast where you rewind to exactly 20 years dive head first into news, music, movies, scandals, pop culture, moments that shaped everything that happened in the mid 2000s. It's a little bit sassy, but it's certainly chaotic and messy and very nostalgic with your nostalgic host Joe and Mel. 

Hello, Mel. Hello. This week we are rewinding to 25 September through to 1 October 2. 1005. 

Once again, Australians have been caught up in a terrorist outrage in Bali. Island night spots packed with tourists were hit in a series of bomb blasts, killing more than 25 people and injuring scores of others. 

Yeah, it's unfortunate that that was in the news 20 years ago. It's unfortunate that we have to relive it this week, but we certainly need to do it justice. I think it was a terrible tragedy that occurred. Over in Bali and I think all of us were just like we could not believe that it. It had happened a second time, but we've got some good Sporting News this week. 

Again. 

He's not the race winner, but today belongs to Alonso. 

Fernando Alonso. Ohh. I'm such a fan of Fernando. Anyone who's into Formula One. Fernando Alonso. The he called. They call him the bad guy these days, but I I think. 

He's brave, isn't he? 

A big bad guy had a had a big week 20 years ago. 

He is the man and I will. This person, certainly not the man. 

And I didn't want to be. In the pictures. The album. 

No, that was Lindy England speaking there. You remember the Abu Ghraib stuff, where they were parading? Yes, those horrible photos she gets brought to justice this week. So we'll talk a little bit about that as well. 

Those photos. Yeah, yeah. She does, and. And Speaking of photographic evidence, yes, prefer the simpler times of 20 years ago when you know, if you went out to a club. 

Photograph. 

I do. 

Yeah. 

Photos were kind of consensual. You had some intent there cause you had to bring your your digital camera. 

Yeah. Yes. 

In your purse, squeeze it into. Purse. Take the photos and then you had to dedicate a good few hours to uploading them to Facebook or Myspace or wherever it was that you wanted to put them into. Whatever digital album there was, there was a lot of effort involved. There was a lot of curation and it just felt like a safer place. 

Yes. 

Hmm. 

There was also a world between digital and analogue, where some people still had film cameras, although not so much because like they they just you wouldn't be taking those out. 

Yes, film. Yes. Take it. Take it to the chemist, and then you'd end up with a lot of pocket photos. 

To a nightclub. Yeah. 

And another random photos particularly. 

Exactly. So. So I mean and that's that's probably the thing that made Lindy in England definitely guilty is because of the intent I've probably given away the rest of that story. We'll talk about it more later. But the intent because they've obviously gone to such efforts to upload set photos and it's not as simple as just automatically going to the cloud or Bluetooth or anything like that. 

If you're on this link. Hmm. 

All straight. 

You have to insert cards or. FireWire cables are all of that. Sort of. 

Well, straight to social media. Ohh your own consent too. It could be anybody doing anything and uploading you to their social media and you could go viral for like picking your nose or something. 

Rubbish and without you. I didn't even think of it. Yes. I've said it before, Mel. I'm so lucky that you know, my formative years were formed away from social media. It didn't exist at the. 

Hmm. 

I know. It was bad enough when you had the social pages and you had the the paid photographer who'd be at the nightclub or the social pages. 

Same time. 

And then you go ohh think I got my photo. Taken last night. 

Ohh no no no. See, I thought that was good. 

Better go and check myself in the in the paper. 

I thought that was good. I thought that was good. I I I I enjoyed that cause it helped me retrace my footsteps and so and and and like, what do you mean, like social by? You're in the social pages. Well, the thing with the social pages for the Canberra Times, there was a window of about, I think maybe 3 or 4 years where a friend of. 

Ohh, that's where I went. Ohh there I am again at this other venue. 

Lane was the photographer for the social pages of the Canberra Times. 

Ohh. You were in there a. Lot actually that that explains. Ohh. He's get he gets around that guy, doesn't he? 

I was in there every every week, every week I was in the social pages of the camp at times, cause yeah, my friend Chris was taking the photos and so I was able to retrace my footsteps that way. So it's like, and I've got no photos. I don't own any photos. 

Very popular. 

But the in the archives of the social pages of the Canberra Times from probably about, I would say 2001 to 2004 or five. 

All your adventures factured forever. 

Yeah, absolutely. Sporadically you could tell the weekends I was out and I was tying one on because I'd always be in the social pages. 

Yes, and a number of venues. 

But it wasn't, it does. It's it's definitely not as glamorous as what it sounded. It's just. 

I don't think that's. I don't think that's the thing anymore, but now. 

Social pages? Well, not not, no, not really, unless you. 

Because I used to have a, I used to have a thing in. My. Mind, I used to play this. I used to is it. 

You know what it is? It is. Yeah, it is a thing, but it's in those. Free newspaper type magazines that you get in the front of the supermarkets and it's just a bunch of being real estate agents all standing around being *******. So yeah, so, so I guess they're not really a thing. They're more of an advertorial thing these days, if you. 

Ohh, about town. 

Hmm. 

Know what I mean? But it's a little bit more dangerous because you never know who's recording what and. Uploading it where? 

No. 

And then on the flip side of that, people actually make fake scenarios to put on social media. It happens a lot, and particularly at the gym, gym encounters. 

Hmm. 

Yeah, like the engineered 1. Ohh gym ones? Yeah. Gym encounters. 

So many of those are fake where you see, you know someone like a guy tapping a girl on the shoulder and saying how much longer are you gonna be and being quite rude, a lot of. 

Yes. Yeah. 

Those are staged just for views as well. 

Yes. Yeah. And the gold, the gold digger ones as well with the like the guys got the expense. If car and he goes and propositions a female and she won't have anything to do with him and then he goes to get into the expensive car and they're like, wait, is this your car? And then they're like, yeah, it's like you're a gold digger, you know, coming in the car and it's like, I don't know, they've done it thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of times and it's all staged and it's all rubbish. But I when I'm out on the street, if I see somebody. 

Oh. Yeah. Ah. 

Doing something with their phone and they're holding it at an angle that where it could be perceived as them filming me. 

You just jump out of the shots. It's dangerous. Yes. Yeah. 

I'm not super comfortable with that. Do you know what? I mean. Yeah. And I I just, I mean, you know, you're a people can film in public and that's fine. But I don't like being filmed. 

How are you with people filming at the gym? 

Are themselves. I've got no problem with people filming themselves at the gym as long as they're filming themselves in a way where it's not really obvious that there's a lot of people in the background, if you know what I mean, like find a spot. 

Hmm. Hmm. 

Yeah, if they're. Not. Wasting equipment and like getting the perfect angle and just taking up space. 

To film yourself. Yeah, because I understand. I I do understand that it's not all for vanity. Well, I mate, but there's a degree of no, there's not even a degree of vanity. That's not a fair thing to say about going to the gym. And I know a lot of people would judge people and say that. But it's it's more about being healthy than. 

Hmm. 

Let me feel well, I've got a film. I've got a film for my trainer so she can check my form and she gives me feedback that my form is terrible, but I feel I feel nervous and I'm always worried that someone's gonna come up to me and tell me off for filming. So I hide my camera and poke it. 

But. So they check your form. Yes, that's what I was gonna say. It's yes. 

Out of the. Corner of my bag. Yeah. So no one can see it. And I always make sure I'm right in the corner and there's no one behind me. 

Yes. 

Because I'm I'm terrified of that. 

That's probably more conspicuous, I think, because it looks like you're trying to do something nefarious, but sneaking away over in. 

He yelled at us. More of a concern. 

Corner. But I'm still not comfortable. Like I I don't understand why they do it and I don't mind that they do it, but I'm not comfortable being around it like I don't wanna be in the shock. Do you know what I mean? But that's a that's a that's a generational thing and it's too early to open up the boom box. But but it it is a generational thing where like, I feel like anyone who's been brought up with reality TV and all that sort of stuff. And now YouTube and all of this stuff. 

Hmm. Yeah, I don't wanna be in the background and be shocked. OK. 

Most instantly, how to perform for the camera and they just do it. They just go into this thing that appears to be a character. 

And share everything. Everything. 

Yes. Ohh. 

But but but the hatches matches and dispatches clue. Not not so hideous. And this is. This is the little thing that we do to hook you through to the end of the show. A celebrity. Birth, death or marriage? What did? 

Go to death. 

We. Ohh. Wow. Yes. Yeah. Well, at least we're not doing filler content, I guess. Or they probably fill in a hole celebrity that died. 

That's unfortunate. 

That said this. 

Actually, I plan to live. To at least 100. 

We'll find out what they made it to at the end. Of the show. 

6th of September 2005 US is obviously already reeling from the fallout of the Iraq war. Mm-hmm. When 22 year Old Army reservist Lindy England became the face of one of the darkest scandals. She was one of several soldiers and we spoke about this one last year. I think it was photographed abusing Iraqi detainees at Abu Ghraib prison in 2000. Actually, 2003, the photos were. Taken, but they were then leaked and shocked the world in 2004, those infamous images of naked prisoners on leashes, and they were the pyramids of pyramids of naked bodies and just all kinds of terrible, terrible images. 

Yeah, it was super gross and everyone remembers her face like she was the face of it. She was the smiling US young female soldier that was holding the leash in some of the photos and standing. To some of these people as they're being humiliated. And it was, I think if you remember back in 2004 was when CBS on 60 minutes that it was it Dan rather I think it was he, he he broadcast those photos and then everyone went crazy around the world and there was lots and lots of outrage. We spoke about it obviously. 

Hmm. 

About it was, well, a little bit last year, last year about. 

A year and a half ago? Yeah. And then there was a series of court martials and some of the soldiers had already been trialled. I think her then boyfriend Charles Greiner had been sentenced to 10 years earlier, in 2000 and. 

Yes. 

Five. And then we get to September 26, 2005 and she is found guilty, sentenced to three years in prison and dishonourably discharged. Yeah. 

Yeah, and she argues that there's there's a few documentaries about her and stuff, cause she's kind of, I guess, tried to cash in a little bit on it. And I guess make the best of what is a very bad situation for her. I mean, I don't know how you can talk your way out of this sort of thing when those stage photos you like front and centre of those stage photos, but. She thinks well, she claims that she did it all for love. 

I'm just trying to. But let people understand. More or less that I wasn't actually. Involved in. Anything other than being in the pictures, it's just like a really sad love story really, because, you know, if it wasn't for grandeur, like I said, I wouldn't have even have been over there in that section. And I didn't want to be in the pictures any of them. And I told them that, you know, I was like, no, I'm not going to go over there. Stand by the sky or do this or that. And what does he do? He pulls the old. If you love me, I'll do this. I'm sorry. I was in the picture. I'm sorry. I was posing in the picture. You know there. You know, I'm sorry that that had to that that happened to them. I would just hope that people realise that. I'm I am a human being and you know. People make mistakes. 

Yeah, I'm not buying it, sorry. 

She doesn't. 

Seem too sorry though, does she? 

Well, it's, it's. All about. I'm sorry. I was in the pictures and it's like green and manipulated me and it was like if you love me, you'll do it. And I'm just. I'm just not buying that. I mean, if you see another human being on the end of a dog leash being humiliated and abused and you think it's OK to stand next to them and smile as somebody else takes a. 

Yeah. 

Photo like whether you're in love with someone or not, or the person taking the photo with someone you're in love, I I'm sorry. Well, both of you. 

Should go to gaol, and then she also says I. I just want everyone to remember that I'm a human being. What? About the human beings in the photo like. 

Yeah. Did you remember that they were human beings, kid? Yeah. 

Yeah, exactly. I think the court rejected the idea that she was simply a ****. I don't think they bought it either. She ended up serving about half of her three year sentence before being released in 2007. 

Yeah, yeah, I think too. Like these days it's, you know, it's it's she's actually more of that symbol of systemic failure because it's like it those are abusive tactics that they are involved in. They they were linked to a lot of policies and pressures that. Allegedly ran much higher up the chain of command, and she's just a low rank. Like almost reservist, you know, and she kind of, she became the face of it and a bit. 

She's the one that everybody remembered, yeah. 

Of a scapegoat. Yeah. And I mean the bloke that she was with wasn't much higher up either. They're still kind of grunts in the grand scheme of things, so they were certainly mates, got goats in that regard. But I mean, you know, it's the first time I've kind of seen in Modern Warfare examples of. The people that you perceive as being the good guys, committing war crimes, and I think that's that was the was the most shocking thing about it. So it's, you know, you're never gonna shake that. It's like that saying you're 1 goat. 

Hmm. 

Yeah. 

Anyway, let's go to. Ohh geez, it's not a good way to lead into this story. This is a terrible story. If we go to the 1st of October 2005. I I don't think any of us could believe that this happened a second time in Bali where three suicide bombers. 

Again, yeah. 

Struck the tourist areas in Bali targeting. Warungs beachside in in Jimbaran and a restaurant in central Koota. 

A companies beachside party is filmed alongside hundreds of other tourists dining on the island of the gods just moments before Bali once again descended into butchery and mayhem. There's a first blast, 50 metres away, confusion for an instant, then total chaos. 

There were two bombs and the bombs were within maybe a minute of each other. And yeah, it was. It was so loud. It was just, I don't know, none of us could believe it was like, hey, this is this is not happening. This is this is not gonna happen again. 

And yet it it did. I I I I do remember it, but I. I feel like when you look at the long game, when you look at it like now in 2025, we just obviously there was the recent Bali bombings which we all reflected on and it made the news and stuff like that really interested to see in this week because at the time we're recording, we're a little bit ahead of the game, but I'm really interested to see if that much attention is given to this like. How distant a memory has this particular one become and I don't. I'm not downplaying it at all. Please. Like I it is equally as bad. Like he was terrible. We had 20 civilians killed more than 100. Injured and. Including the the bombing suspects as well, because it was they used backpacks. They came into these venues wearing backpacks that were loaded with shrapnel and explosives, and I think it was Jamaa Islamiya al Qaeda again. 

The extremist group. 

Yeah. And I think, yeah, the police captured all of this. It was all documented on on video footage that they were able to salvage. So they were very quickly able to identify who it was, but I think. The the big thing was that we were just so shocked that it had happened again, and I think I think when you when you, somebody who may have been over there as well you you would be thinking to yourself, OK. 

How? Yeah. How could it have happened? 

We're going to Bali. You know, there was an A terrorist attack there, but surely everyone's learned. 

It's been a little while now. A couple of years. Sure. It's safe. Yeah. Yeah. 

You know, it's like, you know, New York, NY's really safe now after the terrorist attacks there. New York's really safe. Right. So there's a terrorist attack somewhere of what's the odds of lightning striking twice. And the sad fact of the matter is, like, when it comes to terrorism, like, very likely and very high. 

Hmm. 

Especially if if you know they're they're in an environment where they can continue to commit these sort of atrocities and that that was just the probably the most unfortunate thing that happened this week. 

Over to sport on the 25th of September 2005, Renault driver as he was at the time Fernando Alonso becomes. 

Fernando Alonso. 

The youngest ever Formula One champion when finishing third behind McLaren rivals. One, Pablo Montoya and Ohh Kimi Raikkonen. We saw his. Didn't we see his car at the thing? What thing? The thing we went to. 

M. 

What's thing? 

And the thing. Yeah, wasn't there one that had? 

Are. Project Supercars thing, yes. 

His name on. 

Yes, Kimi Raikkonen's old Grand Prix car was there. That was very exciting. 

It yeah, that was exciting. 

So he came third, but he's still the champion, so must have had the most points. 

Yes. 

Right. 

He was and it. Look, this is a this is a season where like Schumacher and and Ferrari's dominance has sort of come to an. 

24. 

And and Alonso clinches the championship at this Grand Prix as a result, which is great 24 years and 58 days old. Massive, massive for him. 

He's not the race winner, but today belongs to Alonso. 

I think I'm extremely happy and it's a very emotional. For me, I came from country with no tradition in Formula One and you know I fight alone basically because I had not any help from anybody all my career and arrive in Formula One. Thanks to, to to the the results in the previous categories and thanks to. To my sponsors and now I think this title is the maximum I can achieve in my life in my career. And it's thanks to three or four people, not no more than that. 

I love him. I love. 

Him even that he's like. 

Got the attitude back then too today, yeah. 

You. I do this for myself. That's what he said. He did it himself. 

Yeah, I have no money. I'm not a little spoiled rich brat. Like some of these others. 

Well, he wasn't born into it because of the country he's from, but he certainly did. Well, that's what I love about Fernando Alonso. He doesn't pull any punches, he speaks his mind. 

Ah, nice zero and 0. 

He's and he's very self assured and well that's all Formula One drivers. They've got very high opinions of themself. They're very confident. 

Really. They're very confident. Yeah, but they're not. Most of them aren't ******* about it. 

You can be confident not. 

Cocky. I actually quite like. There's none of them there. I just. 

Some of the younger ones are a bit cocky. Fernando's like he was. He was confident there, but he also had a bit of anger. That's what I like about Fernando Alonso. He's got a bit of aggression. There's a bit of mongrel in him and you could hear it. 

Yes. 

Yes. So he he ended Schumacher's five year streak and was a fresh face to the sports elite. His record stood for 36 months until Sebastian Vettel broke it into. 

Hmm. 

In 10 at the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix and he won at 23 years and 134 days. 

Yes, but I mean this is, I mean, they're all they're young, they're getting younger and. 

It is, it is, yeah. 

Younger, aren't they really? 

It is the trend, isn't it? The younger ones? 

But what I love about this is you go to 2025. Fernando Alonso has not only maintained his position, he's still racing in Formula One. That's a long time, 20 years, a long time for a bloke to be informed. 

It is. 

The one for? But he's he's gone from being the youngest champion to now the oldest active driver on the. Grid. Which is great. Like he turned 44 in July this year, he's racing for Aston Martin. His contract has been extended till the end of the 2026 season, so he's at least got another season in him. I mean, that's I I don't know that that's. 

Hmm. 

345 Yeah, good on him. 

That's very common for drivers to last that. 

Long. Who's he? No. What's his names in his 40s. Who? Yeah, yeah, I thought he was like 20 something. 

Ohh Lewis Hamilton, yes. I know he looks so young. Don't, don't, don't start comparing how how the drivers look cause Fernando gets a bit particular about about how he. 

Looks so. Doesn't he? 

Carries a bill. 

Looks, doesn't he do it? Is it? And the drive to survive? Didn't he do his makeup or something before they were filming, there was something he. 

Yeah, I think so, but to make. 

Was doing. I love him. Ohh. He's great. Yeah. 

Sure, he looked. He looked young to keep up with all the younger drivers. He's my he is my one of. My favourites that I I'd like. All of them, for their personalities and even the villains and stuff. Love the whole thing, the theatre of it all. But Fernando is just sensational. 

The. 

So we start talking about old people and then we just open the boot box. Is that how it works? Like not that 44's old Fernando, by the way, but anyway. 

Yes. No, it's the new new 20 new 18. 

The boom box it is well. Not a boomer, is he? He's Gen. He'd be genex. No. 

He'd be a millennial. 

Yeah. Wow. Ohh wow, now I feel now I do feel old. Well, that's good cause this is the segment where you can air your old person yells at Sky Boomer style complaints as we open up the boom box and I say that as if it's almost judgmental but it's not meant to be cause it's free from judgement. This place it's safe. It's comfortable. You're allowed to do it without some young. My eyes turn around. Going OK, boomer? Hmm. You just say it and we'll back you up. We've got you back and you can send in your boom. Send in your boom via the socials t -, 20 podcast, Facebook, Instagram. Probably the best 2 places to do that to kind of. 

You can. You're among friends. 

Hmm. 

Did we are on TikTok occasionally and YouTube is a wasteland, but we're on there too. But just Facebook, Instagram, probably the best 2 spots. Hmm. 

Yeah, I feel like you, you you spend forever setting up the boom and the boom itself goes for about 5. Seconds. That's a lot. 

I know, I know well. 

It's, you know. 

You just it's kind of it's kind of. 

Shared a lot then. 

Look. 

That's what I used to, that's. Are you are you invalidating? 

Position no, no, he just. No, he just explained it for a while. That's all. Yeah. Just went for a while, and I just feel like that's a big setup. 

This is the shot. 

Did I OK. 

For one sentence. 

Well, better be a good boom. 

And I'm nervous now. 

Well, I'm nervous for them too. Who? Sent it in. 

Myra. 

On Myron. Myron. Myron. Myron. Not Myron. Is it is. Is there a Myron or is it Myron? It's Myron. 

It's my. Not your Ron Myron. 

OK. Well, what? 

No. 

Does Ron have to? 

Say I still say my phone number twice. Whenever I leave voicemails is if people can't see the number because I belong in the early 90s. 

That's very good. Even either that or you're a old radio announcer. 

I do that. 

Just say blah, blah blah, blah blah blah, that's blah, blah, blah blah blah. 

But. 

Blah blah blah blah. That number again? Umm. 

Yeah, yeah, I do that. 

I do repeat it. But you know what I think? I think that's that's a sign of yes. Age, age. A little bit, experience a lot and intelligence and also courtesy. Yes. Manners courtesy empathy for the other person. 

Manners. Menace. Because you may not have had a pen and paper ready to go the first time. They said the number. 

I don't think there has ever been an occasion. Where I've given someone my phone number and on the first go through they haven't picked it. 

Hmm. 

Up. Yeah, exactly. 

So I'm there for him. 

Exactly. And even if you did have a pen and paper, you listen to the second one. You do, you do a validation, you double check. Thank. 

Yeah, thank you, Myron. And if you wanna send in your booms, don't forget t -? 20 podcast. That address again T -? 20 podcast. 

You, Myron. 

Let's go to music. Music. 

Same again this week for Australia and the UK. 

Don't you wish your girlfriend was hot like me? You wish your girlfriend was a freak like me. 

Ah yeah. You tell him to call, yeah. 

All right. 

Saying don't you wish your girlfriend was wrong like me? 

I don't have to laugh, so you might go a little bit embarrassed by that and cut. 

No, I'm loving it. No. Ohh, what should? 

Shorter, no? 

I I'm out there and I'm loving it. 

Wow. 

Ohh it's so good. 

Is it? Don't you wish your friend was raw like me or wrong? I thought it was wrong. Like me. Raw was like wrong. Like me. Like why wrong. Yeah. 

That's roll, roll, roll. Roll wrong. What you mean? Like they just like got a club foot or? 

Something they got the answer, but they got the phone number wrong because they only did it once something. 

Phone number roll. Ohh. OK. Yeah, that's probably a bit better than than. Yeah, OK, cool. Well, not saying. Yeah, not saying that. A club foot is wrong. I mean, it probably feels a bit wrong if you've got it. It's wrong that you have it. You don't deserve it. But yes. Anyway, we'll press. 

I don't know. 

Let's go. Let's go to the USA. 

On before. I dig myself in, don't you? Is your boyfriend you how to? Do this job correctly. 

Shut up. There ain't nobody. 

You love my lady love. They got you never had nobody like you. 

Now I have been with different kind of girls. Like I don't see no more, but ain't none of them at all. 

Keep on playing. 

See. That's someone who broke broke. Ohh. Now I ain't saying she a gold. Digger. 

Ohh ohh me. 

But shame that someone no broke broke. Get down, girl. Go head, get down. 

Hey, get down. Go. Go ahead. Get down. 

Still, #1 Gold digger Mariah #2 shake it off. Bow. Wow. Like you #3. New entry #4, which we'll chat about in just a moment, and Mariah drifting out of the top five. We belong together, #5. 

Yeah. Yeah, that's alright. She might hang in there for a little bit. 

Maybe. But we do have a new entry, my hump, my hump, my humps. The Black Eyed Peas. 

You love my lady. Love my heart, my heart, my heart. They got you. All your money on me and spending time on me. 

The song about a woman using her chesticles to. 

Her lovely lady. 

Who take advantage will not take advantage of I guess. 

You know well, she's spending all his money because she's got some lovely lady lumps, I think is the premise. 

Well, and he's investing and he's investing heavily in that as well. Exactly. That's exactly right. I mean, it's like it's this is a it's it's about a transactional relationship and and the terms and conditions have been outlaid by the two parties and they're both very comfortable with it. So who are we to? 

Isn't it he's spending? But I think he's willingly participating. He's like, I like. I like your. Lady lumps have some. Money. Based on breasts. Judge, I think the lady lives are also her. Oops, I think there's a number of lumps. There's there's a few lumps that are being referred to throughout that song. Yes, I watched the video clip and. 

Really, there's several humps. Really, you know. Really. 

They they were lumping around as well. 

Any sort of like I don't know, you know, just around those areas like a sebaceous cyst kind of around the chin or on the neck, something on the back. Yeah. 

No acne, no, there's no acne or infected mosquito bite. No, that doesn't count as a lovely lady lump. No, that's not a lovely lady lump check. 

It's not a lovely lump anyway, it's like. It out. 

Third single from monkey business immediately. Virtual everywhere. Yeah, we all the whales has had. That's that's stupid. And it's dumb and it's awful and we hate it, but people liked it. Fans. Kids loved it. Yeah, they. 

Ohh yeah, well, it's a song about ****, isn't. It so yeah. So and as a consequence, the kids loved it. They loved the kids. Loved it. Hmm. 

Thought it was gross. 

I mean we I you know how I we feel about the Black Eyed Peas. Everyone knows how. We feel about the Black Eyed Peas. 

We do, yeah. So I kind of just stopped listening, but it was built on a song. 

Devanshi it's good so yeah. 

A loop from a song from 1979, called Sexy by Blue Beat. I tried to find it on the Internet. It wasn't. On the Internet. 

That's good because I was getting really stressed then because when you do that like it's usually like it happens after I've sort of gone in and done some pre production and then and then then you'll you'll say that. Ohh you'll do a bit more research and be like oh, there's this sample from this song and be like did you get that? And I'm like oh I didn't. And then I have to get imposed. 

No open borders. Anyway, supposed to get that. No, you weren't. Because I tried cause I thought. Ohh. I'm gonna put that in there and he's not gonna pay attention and get it. So I'll get it and I'll put a link in there and it will be blue and he'll notice it and then he'll get it. 

I will if it's blue. Yeah, I will. Well, that's good. OK, relaxing. 

But. 

I couldn't find. It couldn't find it. So there you go. Lyrics were slammed as juvenile. Well, but also very catchy and lady lumps was a legitimate phrase for about two years. I think it's. I think the song's going to come back now. I think we're gonna see it. On. The TikTok. Now that it's no that I think it's gonna have a resurgence. 

Another my humps. Did you say the TikTok or the TikTok? Because. Because that's that's I mean for a time there for a time there. That's all that TikTok is. Do you know what? I don't know if it's cause I'm a male or what. And I don't know what the algorithm's. 

Same thing, same deals. 

Doing but I'm gonna expose myself a little bit here. Check it out. 

It's always lovely, lady lumps on all of your social media. Yes, I bet you must have looked at something at some point. 

We have all of you have seen like this is. Find this very embarrassing so. 

Like. 

You've you started the algorithm yourself. 

I think it's really natural for a man to slow down, at least to slow down, and even if he knows that he's gonna get in trouble like it's it is a hard thing not to look at lovely lady lumps, OK. 

Well, it's your fault. 

But but I I I have to say that I I'd like to at least be able to use some discretion, but when I'm when I get on Instagram and I have no idea why and I'm just going with it now and it's actually really great. 

Hmm. 

I press the search thing and the IT shows me. 

Tip tip tip, tip **** yes. 

It it shows. Just breasts, everywhere. Breasts. And then Gollum from Lord of the Rings and a couple of wrestlers, and what looks like a fight in prison and then lots and lots and lots. Ohh there are so many breasts. Wow like. 

Lovely lady lumps. 

Just so many, it's like and it's. I can't look at that. I cannot open that. Like if I was on public transport, I could not open that up and search for anything on Instagram. 

Someone would film you and put you on social media going look at this person. 

I would have to like be so, so fast just to get into that search bar and try and get rid of the the humps that are all over my Instagram. And I look honestly. The I obviously have slowed down or looked at something and I continue to and I, but I, I I would wager. 

Umm but yes, and read the we read the caption and some of the comments. 

I would. I would wager that the the, the, the, the, the amount of I'm looking at a 99% rate of men that probably have exactly the same thing. I I I guarantee it. 

Whereas mines all death content, mines all rest in peace because. 

Oh my God. 

I I had one. And like memorial post and I thought Ohh, it's serving this up to me, so maybe it's someone I know. So then I went, I dug deep in the feed to find out who it was and what had happened, and I didn't know them. It was just a suggested for you. But because I went so deep into their their thing and I was reading the comments it it thinks that I'm just interested and all I get is RIP comment. 

Yeah. Really. 

The content now. Yeah, it's very depressing. So I'm not on the Instagram as much because I just can't deal with it. I really I get really upset because it's just all deaf. You've got **** and I've got RIP. 

I promise you, if you even if you, if you, if you even if you even go like within. 

Maybe I need to look at? 

A **** within Coop. Of a. 

*****. They should go and look at one ****. And that'll fix it. 

It'll just start rain and lumps, rain and lady lumps all over you. She's gotta. 

Check it out. 

It would be raining all over you. Ohh. 

Maybe that's maybe that's the trick. OK, we had an album release, a very big album release, actually. 

Ohh yeah, I I don't mind these guys. 

Hmm. 

I sign in with the haven't. Never heard of clothing? Damn door. No, it's much better to face these kinds. Never heard of? 

Did you like that? I did when I started that I was like, yeah, but did you? Well, like I was like, I like. I don't mind these guys because I thought if I say I like them, I'd they'd ruin my credibility. So I just, I don't mind them. I don't mind them, cause I don't wanna kind of be, you know, I don't hate you for you to think that I'm emo. 

He's really odd. 

Ohh OK, don't mind, it's OK. Get out of the guideline and the black nail Polish. 

Ohh I just don't wanna get a whole bunch of emo content pushed to be now on Instagram. 

No, no, it would be kind of like the RP content. 

Although all that emo emo with with big Norks would be OK. 

It sounds odd. Closing the door bits blurred out that that sounds weird. 

Ohh yes. 

Ohh cause he's close. He they ohh I must. 

Because in Australia, in Australia we got the *** **** door. Didn't we close the *** **** door? 

Yeah. Well, we say *** **** here. But on this American version. 

It's sign in with the heavenly people. Closing. Santo. 

Closing the pause. Damn door. Yeah, it it's quite odd. It's very strange. They just don't say. *** ****, I think they see it as as as blasphemy. It's a God. God's damning you to hell, I guess. And it's. I don't know, I mean. But, you know, they can still shoot. 

That sounds really weird, doesn't it? 

Hmm. 

Yeah, well. People, I do. Feel like the the meme that came out about this these days? I'm all panic and no disco. Yeah, that's me. 

That's me. Yeah, definitely. All panic and no. 

Disco. So the studio debut studio album, Fever. You can't sweat out, was released this week, 20 years ago by panic. At the disco, yes. 

By by panic at the disco, did we mention that it was panic at the disco? It took us. A while to get to. 

That yes, all. Panic. No discos. They were formed in 2004 by they're in Vegas, childhood friends Ryan Ross, Spencer Smith. 

Yes. Yep. 

And Brendan, Yuri and Brent Wilson, do you know how they ohh Yuri? Yuri sounds better. Do you know how they got their big break? They sent some demos to Pete Wentz. Some Fall Out Boy via. Yes. Via Live journal on Myspace. 

Yes, but he's the singer. Brendon urie. Yeah, yeah, Yuri. 

Ah yeah. 

They were one of those Myspace bands. Well, they used Myspace as a carriage service to groom Pete Wentz. 

They well, they. No. They sent it to him through my space. It's like a messenger. Yes, it's a carrier pigeon. 

Yes. 

And he then flew to Vegas and then signed them to his label. And then all of a sudden their their label mates with Fall Out Boy and then they've released. This debut album, and it's pretty good. 

I mean, that's a. There's a Co headlining tour that that everyone's gonna be happy with that. Both bands sound very similar. 

I'd go to the apps. 

Go. Yeah, I I'd go. Sure. I'd go just have a. 

Like. 

Look both. I like both of them. 

Know I don't. Mind either of them, I I just like the. 

Dance. 

Punk pop punk. 

I I liked the IT was just a bit different, you know? It was it. I think it it was it was pop, but it was still a bit different and. 

Theatrical. 

Theatre theatre. Emos. 

This is the thing with metal heads, right? Is we like music that tells stories, and I even though that was a poppy kind of thing, it still hold a story. And if it tells a story, I'm down with it. If it's like it, it it's like back in the day. If a musician started. 

Does still stories? Yeah. 

Song with Limato you story I'm like. I'm in. Let's go. I'll get my jammies on. I'll clean my teeth. I'll get tucked into bed and you can tell me a story. I'd love that. I find a lot of comfort in. 

Let me tell. 

Yes. 

Music that tells stories. So the song that you played earlier, that I write sins, not tragedies, they're closing the *** **** door. Yeah, that song was that that was from the album, but it wasn't actually released until 2007. 

Yes. Ohh really? 

And that's went to #7 on the Billboard Hot 101 VMA's for video of the year. 

It's definitely their most famous song. Yes. 

And. 

There were a few other songs. What was there? The only difference between martyrdom and suicide is press coverage, isn't they? Like the big, long titles? 

Ohh, they're starting to do this. This is. They're hanging out with the Fall Out Boy guys and they're like, listen, guys, if you wanna make it in this email business, you gotta write really long song titles, yes. 

Yeah, you need to add a few more words, yeah. 

Yes. So then they started doing that and. Yeah, they became pretty big over the years. 

Yeah, they have. I think the critics found it very over the top. But like I said, like a lot of other people thought it was quite original. And I I have to say for like, pop, I thought it was pretty and that pop emo punk sort of. Melding. I thought it was good and I liked all the the drama and the even the campiness of it. It was pretty camp, I think. 

Hmm. 

Hmm. I liked their outfits too. They dressed well. 

Hmm. The unfortunate thing about it though, is that it's a bit of a karaoke. Staple and I I just, I think that anyone apart from Brendon Urie singing that is diabolical. Like it's just it's a bad time, especially a bunch of drunk bogans all doing it at karaoke with Australian accents. I. 

Yes. 

Can't, didn't. Haven't you people ever heard of closing the God? 

We can say Go Dame in our country. So transition over to the box office. We've panicked at this, goes enough. It's time to get out of that and go to the movies. 

Hmm. 

Yes, I think we're getting on a plane, aren't we? Flight plan is #1 at. 

We are. 

The US box. 

Office. Did you happen to see a little girl go by here? She's 6. My daughter. I was carrying her. Working for my. We. Has she's probably. 

Does anybody remember seeing the? 

No, no. What aren't you telling me? What aren't you? 

Sir. Telling me I'm sorry. I don't think that she's here. Ma'am, we don't have any record of your daughter ever having been on board. 

Put her in the seat next to. 

ME26A26A is unoccupied. 

Her backpacks? Missing? Somebody asked. 

Captain, I have to speak to you. 

Get every passenger seated. Open every closet, every bin. 

She's disturbed. She's making the passengers anxious. 

You've got to search the holes now. 

Everyone of my flight attendants are looking for a child, but none of them believed was ever on. Board. Who's she talking? Not going to discuss this at the. 

Where's my daughter? 

Where is she? Where? 

10. 

According to the director at the morgue, the daughter died 6 days ago. Our Marshall is going to be caught you back to your seat. 

She's alive, you know, she's on this plane. 

Why didn't anybody see her? I don't know. 

My daughter is alive. 

So chilling. 

Oh. 

So chilling. Jodie Foster, I I this is such a Alfred Hitchcock style film. Very, very cool. She plays a a recently widowed propulsion engineer who's going on this new Fandangle plane with her daughter. Yes, yes, that's right. 

From Berlin to New York with her daughter Julia. 

Hmm. Peter Skarsgard's in there. It's got a scarce guard. There's Carson, the air Marshall. 

Oh, there's a star. Thought. Is that the? That's not the one from the the Vampire show, is it? That's a. 

I ohh it's one of the scar scars. Which one's pointer, pointer. Scar. Scar. 

Different. 

I don't think he's the the vampire one. I think that's that's the other scar. Scard, isn't it? 

Yeah, that's Alexander Skarsgard. I mean, there's a Peter Skarsgard, Peter Skarsgard, slightly older, he's yeah, he's a slightly older scar. Yeah, they do, they they're scarce guards. There's definitely a family resemblance. There's very strong genes in the sky. 

Ah yes. 

There's a few of them. There's a few. 

But they look similar. Don't. It's very strong, James. 

Buzz guards and then Sean Bean, who is the captain of the the plane. 

Captain. So mid flight. Julia disappears and crew and passengers insist she was never on board. There's record. There's no record of the ticket, no evidence that she bought it. And then the panic. And is she losing her mind from the the recent widowing? Or is there a conspiracy going on? 

Yes, it's a big. Do we wanna spoil? Or should we just go? 

I feel that if you were gonna watch it, you probably would have watched it by now, so go for. 

Yeah. Well, the the child, it's like it's this is like the the film is a master class in gaslighting, basically because the child is on board. They're like, no, the child's not on board. You're losing your mind. And then then they get everyone in on the story. You know, it's like it's it's a killer gas light it's and and again This is why I think it's very hitchcockian. 

It. Twist. 

Twist you never saw coming. 

Hmm. 

But Julia's on board the Air Marshall and a flight attendant conspired to kidnap her and framed Jodie Foster's character as this unstable. Or person. And then they were gonna use that they do something about, I think, extorting money and planting explosives on the plane. I don't know if they, but she gets them and she rescues the kid and proves she's not crazy and saves the day. And they all live happily ever after. Except for the bad guys. 

Thank goodness. It was a it was a. Hit yeah, it was good. It grossed. 

I just can't quite remember how it ended, except for the fact that the kid. Yes, yes. 

Well, she finds the kids and outsmarts them, proves she's not crazy. That's. 

Yeah. 

Well, yeah. Well, what? It grossed over 220 million ofter off of $55 million budget. Yeah, it was mixed reviews from the critics. Rotten Tomatoes. The critics gave it 38%, but people liked. 

See ya. 

It they didn't publish. 

I like it when they try and set something on on something like a plane for the entire film. You gotta get pretty. 

Hmm. 

Crafty. You realise that these these ones are like, well, it's a plane, but it's pretty big so they can go to a lot of places on the plane. But I mean, you've had snakes on a plane, you know you've had soul plane and there there was 1 and it was a vampire on a plane. That was a great one. The vampire on the plane, what was it called? I can't remember. That's. 

Hmm. Yes, yes. 

Ohh goodness. Do you have a scars guard? 

Like Red sky. Or something like that. It didn't have a scar. Scar. Yeah, well, maybe if you were wearing a scarf scard, then the vampire couldn't get you. Ohh. That's alright. You can't bite me. I've got my scarf scarf on. 

Should have. He was sad. Charlie, the Chocolate factory's number one here in Australia. And on the small screen, look, there wasn't a lot of premieres because we had all those big premieres last week over in the US. There wasn't much going on US wise. But we had a nice little show pop up on Australian television because we were celebrating 50 years of television here in Australia this time 20 years ago. 

And your host Eddie McGuire. 

Good evening and welcome again to television the Gogglebox as they used to call it, has become very much part of our. Notes we've woken up to the Super flying fun show and gone to bed with Graham Kennedy. We've laughed at Mavis Gunston and Hoagies. We've wept for Grace, Molly, and Maggie. We've screamed for Jay. OK, Normie and Farnsy, we were shocked as Michael Cole dropped the word and riveted as Abigail dropped her gear. And since TV began in Australia, we've seen 10 Prime Ministers, 5 popes and nearly 20 million TV critics. And some of those critics, along with a panel of TV industry heavyweights, performers, writers, directors and producers, have come up with a definitive list of the 50 all time great Aussie shows. Tonight we celebrate 50 years by counting down those shows. Just what will be ranked number one in our television history? Well, you're gonna have to wait to find out. 

Half a century of television, half a century of television in this country, and the best that they can put forward is Eddie. 

Big deal. 

King McGuire. 

We loved him as a host 20 years ago. We did. Who wants to be a millionaire? 

Did we see? I just know because. Is that your final answer? 

Because really I did. I'm I'm speaking as the royal wedding. The Australians, you know. And then the footy. There's the footy connection. 

OK, Australia had a thing for Eddie McGuire. I I think Eddie McGuire had a thing going with some of the executives and that's how it allegedly and. That's how he. 

Got from. Be careful. Be careful with. 

What I be listening, do you think? I don't really. I don't think Eddie really cares. I just. I like you've got dudes like, you know, with the the big voice over guys like your Pete Smiths and all of the and amazing journals. 

Eddie and what upset him? 

And and all of that stuff and then and. 

I would have liked to have seen Hughesy host, yes. 

Hosting 50 years of television. What? No Bert Newton. You know, like, I mean, I I don't know. He was he he was OK still. Then he wasn't sick, was he? But yeah, because trotted out birth must have a deal with channel 10. I think. Carrie Anne Kennelly? Yeah. 

Maybe not. Burt. OK. Yeah. Burt could have done it. No, he's fine. He's fine back then, Bert. And cat cat. They could have done it together, Burt and cat. 

You know, I mean it. God, even Denise Denise Drysdale, yes. 

And Ding Dong. 

Yeah. 

Mora. Heaven. Moyer. 

More. Hera. 

Anybody but Eddie McGuire, I didn't take Darrell Summers over Eddie McGuire. 

Laura. 

Ohh I don't know. 

Yeah, you're right. That is a long ball. 

Ohh, we were still like we were. Still OK with him back then, weren't we? 

It's still a bit of a a buffoon, but yeah, I mean. 

We're all right. 

I I guess. Australians do love a down to Earth bumbling TV host and 50 years of TV probably proves that. 

Hmm. Yes. So it was a countdown show of the top shows that was voted by audiences and critics probably voted for in TV Week magazine. 

Sorry. Yeah, I really went off on that, didn't I? 

Would be my. 

Who's? Yeah. I mean, yeah, who's voting? 

Guest. 

For that, yeah. 

Wasn't just clips, there was interviews, throw backs, old footage, so the highlights included. Ohh, a lovely neighbours montage Kylie, Guy Pierce, Margot Robbie. So many great stars on Ramsey Street. Kath and Kim, obviously. 

Oh yeah. 

Yeah. 

Oh, that has to be. That's peak peak, Aussie humour, sapphire homicide. Very popular. 

Yes. 

Homicides. 

Show countdown. What about countdown? That was there, watching Molly Meldrum bumble his way through. I I couldn't stand Molly Meldrum on. Countdown was embarrassed. It's. 

Four corners, yes. Hey, hey. It's Saturday was in there. Obviously, as the variety show that defined weekend viewing. 

Of course. Look and as much as it's you know. Hey. Hey, it's. Certainly we've outgrown. Hey, hey, it's Saturday. We outgrew a. Hey. Hey, it's Saturday. I remember when it was on TV, though. It was just the only thing that was on Saturday night. And so we looked back at it very nostalgically. And there was a period where there was, like, PK, hey at. Saturday, where? Hey. Hey, at Saturday was great. 

I used to watch. Hey, hey, Saturday before I'd go out clubbing, I'd have to finish watching it before, like, before mum and Dad would drive me. 

Like they'd be PK. Hey. And I don't know. I don't know if it coincided with puberty for me or whatever, but by the time I was about sort of 1617 years old, and, hey, hey, it's Saturday, was still on. I was just like. 

To the nightclub. 

Ohh forgot no. 

I still loved it then I still I still liked it. I enjoyed it 5. 

No. Became. Became really. 

So 5 on there, Andres on there. 

Yeah, couldn't stand it. And because I always miming, they're never playing live. I couldn't stand it. A lot of them were. Yeah. Yeah. So, so, hey, hey. It just it just kind of fell out of. 

Ohh were they? I didn't even realise. Didn't know. I liked that. I liked it. Favour with. I would have liked to have seen. It's A Knockout in that list. 

Absolutely. 

Or towards 2000, that then became beyond 2000. 

Towards 2. Into beyond 2000, yeah. 

That was a good. 

Show. Yeah, that's like, have you heard Amanda Keller from beyond 2000 story about Ozzy Osbourne? How she she she met Ozzy Osbourne when he was touring in Australia and he's like, I know you. And she's like, what? And you're really starstruck and Aussie really likes documentaries. And he was a big fan of hers because he watched beyond 2000. Isn't that the best story? That's so good. Yes. But. 

I love. I love that. 

And she's wonderful, too. She's such a ohh, great person. She. She helped me flush the toilets at the radio awards. 

Amanda Keller, big fan of Amanda Kellers. Ohh right, you needed a bit of help. What did you? 

Didn't. Well, they were. They were. No, they were automatic. And I I finished on the toilet. 

Block it up, did you? Oh, OK. 

I only did number one and like well, I felt like I had to because I didn't want anyone to think I'd taken. 

Ohh good. 

Thanks for for specifying. 

A dump with Amanda Keller. 

At the at the radio awards, sure. 

In the bathroom? Yes, yes. 

I feel like that's a better story. 

So. 

Though. 

I stood up, sure, and I'm like. Where's the button? Yeah. What the? And then Amanda Kelly's, like, just walk out. 

Ohh, she's like I've got this. This is like a beyond 2000. 

Beyond 2000, yeah, we we had these toilets. Oh, no, she didn't say that. But she I was like. And I must have been. I must have been talking. I must have been stinking out loud. And I must have been like what? She's gone. Just come out. And I'm like, I can't just leave that there. 

Moment. 

Wow. 

She didn't have to, Mel. She didn't have to say that. Yeah. 

Yeah. 

And I walked out and then it. 

Yeah. 

Flushed so because she knows. Because she's been beyond 2000. 

She she's like this is the. 

Future it's. Easy. That's amazing. See, that definitely should have got a run, you know, like the curiosity show should have gotta run on there. Dean and Robert ABC stuff. Well, yeah. Mr squiggle. Definitely. I think Mr Squiggle did get a run and the 50 years of TV, I think Curiosity probably did as well, remember shows. 

It was good. It was good. 

Yes, a lot of that Mister Squiggle. Yeah, surely, surely. 

Like wombat. 

What about amazing? 

Ohh. 

You know that that was it, James Sherry. And at the end, the kids had to go through the. Maze and find the flag. Loved that show. 

Ah, yes. Uh yeah. I didn't really get into that. It was like double dare and that stuff when they when they started. Ohh that was great. That should be, yeah. 

Perfect match. That's I liked it when they'd go on the the holidays and then they they hated each other and they came back and they wouldn't they'd. Be on the. Couch and they wouldn't even talk to each other. 

It really was like, you know, they were like the golden years of that Australian television. And right now, I mean, if we look at it, it's like now 70 years of Australian TV, it's kind of. 

What have we got? 

Is there anything? 

In the yeah. And I think they they are all crying foul. That's streaming is kind of. Ruined it for them and and all of that stuff, but I mean, the riding's been on the wall for a very, very long time for commercial television and they could have done something if they'd acted sooner. And and I think it was only very recently, like at the time of recording, they just last week at the time of recording they were. 

Hmm. 

I think they were at Parliament complaining because they didn't want to have or be taxed or they wanted tax breaks, but the they'd had a tax break, I think, or they weren't paying tax since COVID they got that big reprieve and then they're all crying foul and it's like we we can't. And then they want gambling revenue in much the same way that. 

That's right, yeah. 

Yeah. 

You know, some of the the cable or pay-per-view networks can advertise gambling and stuff like that. Like there's certain laws on free to air TV where you can't do that. And there's there's also the anti syphoning as well. Like sport has really killed it. 

I guess too, like the money's. Not. The money's not there the, the the budget's not there to. To make all that Australian content either. 

There's no Australian, it's there's that. Well, they, I mean, I I feel like and it I sound you know, get that boom box out again but it's. 

Hmm. 

Reality TV was cheap to make. Yeah, so they continued to do that. So then like, and then people started to work their way around that. So people who were on reality TV have agents and they go to casting calls and all that stuff much the same way actors do, you know? And they're like, oh, I don't care, you know, I'll tick the boxes. Yeah. I can cook. Yeah, I could marry. 

Hmm. 

Someone I don't know. Yeah. 

I don't mind farmers happy to go in a house. I can sing as well. Listen to me sing. I'm great. 

Know. Don't mind. Yeah, whatever, you know. Yeah. 

It pretty much is just reality at the moment, isn't it? There is not a lot of Australian production besides home and away. 

No, it's not mini. 

Well, home and away is like probably. And well, neighbours are still going though too now. Well, it stopped and then it started again. 

Is. It. 

I think. 

Back up has it, I thought. 

As far as I know, let me have those big mini series though as well like underbelly and stuff, and the first couple of underbellies were good, and then they. 

That was just reruns. 

Yes. 

Felt like they kind of started to. Crush it. That's the other thing as well though. 

Even Blue Heelers I'd take blue heel. As at this. 

Stage. Yeah, I mean, the ABC is probably the last place where you can get some good Aussie drama series and comedy as well, but even down to like Variety and game shows and all of that stuff it's, you know, game shows aren't what they used to be bring back sales essentially bring back. 

No. 

Actual trivia shows we have to answer questions. 

Ohh catch phrase. I like bird phrase catch phrase. 

Yeah, but not not watching somebody play like that machine that you balance the coins on. 

On. Coin machine from the carnies. 

That does my head in the. How is that a ******* show? And it was stolen from America as well, which is even worse. It's time for books that we didn't read. 

Hmm, definitely didn't read this one. Didn't you polar shift? 

No, no, I didn't read it either. What sort of thing is it? What genre are we looking? 

At here ohh end of the world. 

End of the world. So apocalyptic kind. 

The thing? Yeah, maybe a bit of science. I think there's a bit of science in there. 

A bit of science, right? So apocalyptic science. Just bear with me a moment. 

It's to do with like the north on the South Pole. They do something weird to. It that does something she's dramatic. 

Just go. I'm just gonna go through, like the royalty free. Ohh. OK. This guy this guy has done some copyright free stuff for Youtubers and stuff. His name's Evan king. And this particular track is called Titan striker. Does that work sounds good to me. 

Hmm. 

Perth that sounds great. That does sound polarity. Shifty. Yeah. Hmm. 

Ah. Yes, and my Titan has been struck. OK, Polish shift ready. Polar shift it is the name for a phenomenon that may have occurred many times in the past. At its weakest, it disorients birds and animals and damages electrical equipment. At its worst, it causes massive eruptions, earthquakes, and climactic changes. And it's a very worst it would mean the obliteration of all living matter 60 years ago. An eccentric Hungarian genius. Cause that's what you need. Eccentric Hungarian geniuses to discover things that he discovered. How do artificially trigger such a shift? That's not good. That's like Hungarians having. 

Yeah. 

No. 

Weapons of mass destruction? Yeah, but then his work disappeared. Oh, thank goodness. Or so it was thought. Ohh, no. Now the charismatic leader of an anti globalisation group plans to use it to give the world's industrialised nations a small jolt before reversing the shift back again. 

Hmm. 

The only problem is it can't be reversed once it starts, there is nothing anyone can do. Austin Zavala and the rest of the Neymar special that's NUMA. Not sure that since specialist assignments team have certainly faced dire situations before, but they have never. 

Encountered anything like this this time even they may be too late. 

Wow, it's that sound. It's a lot, isn't it? It sounds. I I'm gonna just that synopsis sounded bad. I don't think this is a good book. 

Yes. 

There's a bit of stuff going on like polar shift and what the phenomena it causes bad things, but then if it's really bad it causes really bad things. 

I read there was a lot of reviews that referred to dwarf mammoths. 

What? 

They when they were fiddling with the pole. Dollars the pole is shifting the pole up. There was a Stampede of dwarfed mammoths, yes. 

Yeah, they got little. Dwarf. Are they like? 

People. 

Have had it was problematic for a. Lot of people to even reviews. 

I when they start trending on social media, everyone's like, oh, I wanna get one of those teacup mammoths and then they get the teacup mammoths. 

Well, they're so cute. 

Teacup mammoths bring home a little teacup. 

And then they grow really big full size. I hate it when that happens. It's the worst. 

Little do they know the teacup mammoth was a real full sized mammoth. 

Yeah. 

And then they give you. 

It's also really I need a lozenge. 

A thought. 

Tanya one star. This book was so bad I donated it yesterday. Then almost felt guilty for doing so, as the next reader is likely to be as disappointed as I was. 

Yeah. 

That's. 

Wow. Yeah, that's yeah. You should have burnt it. Like any good fascist would Jason or Jason one star? Jason. Jason. I felt like I set my expectations pretty darn low, and Cussler OHS Clive Cussler was it is that who wrote the book? No. Well, no, it's a Clive Cussler book. Yeah, because he's in the C-section of the. That's that sounds weird. In the C-section of the book shop. Yeah, I had to give it an epidural before we took that book out. 

Yes. So you know 5. 

Ohh dear sad Cussler managed to play limbo with them. Yes, scuttling beneath the bars. Very highbrow comment that was completely ruined by me, but I felt like mine was funnier. OK. 

That's his expectations. He's playing limbo with the expectations. Taylor, three stars. I thought the book was an enjoyable stroll through the world of Clive Cussler. Yeah. Then my wife's a physics major. Explained exactly why the plot of this story was not possible. 

Yeah. Ohh, she ruined it. He's like there's this thing called the Polish ship. 

She mansplained the polar shift to Taylor. 

Which is like, look, I love. I love that you really like to read. But listen, I gotta tell you. 

Hmm, good rating, love. 

That's why. Confection. 

It's not, but it's good to know we don't have to work. That's one thing we have to worry about. You know, we've got the bird flu and the swine flu and the COVID and all of those things going. At least we don't have to worry about the polars shifting. 

About a policy shift? Yeah, maybe. It also still gave it three stars. You. 

Know well he was enjoying it until wifey ruined it, so he's probably talking about the bit before she. Yeah, truth bombed it and ruined it for him. 

There. Christine gave it three stars. Christine gave it three stars. 

Hmm. 

And she I think I think it's 3 positive stars and it's a very simple four word review. No graphic sexual content. 

And maybe she took two stars off because there was none. Maybe it would have been five stars. There's a bit of. 

Oh, because there was. Really. Maybe it's just like she gave it three stars cause there was no graphic sexual content in there, but the rest of the book, so she's just like, I can't, you know, at least there was no sex in it. So I'll. 

Good afternoon. 

Give it 3. 

I don't know. I don't know. I know. I don't know if Christina's right because Steven Chase gives it five stars and says lol the funniest. 

Yes. 

Novel as an audio book on CD, ever. Exclamation mark, exclamation mark, exclamation mark, exclamation mark, balls, exclamation mark, exclamation mark, exclamation mark, exclamation mark, exclamation mark, exclamation mark. It's. But it's the tagging that's got me. And it's the tagging I feel he's done. These tags. He's done the equivalent of a hashtag. 

Yeah, there's lots of extra mate. OK, yes. There's lots of them. Even more exclamation mark. OK, yeah, we get it. We get it. Ohh so did he tag it? He's done the tags for the book, yeah. 

Good reads. 

So so the the. Good reads when you do a review, much like you can tag it so so that so that then if people are searching for content the the it's related to the tab. Yes. OK good so. 

You can tag it like a hashtag, but it's not. Yeah, yeah. Your hyperlink. What's so Steve and chases tags on polar shift? Actual hyphen, king, hyphen and hyphen coming. Adults hyphen only. Nude hyphen, **** hyphen, Tracy nude Dick Tracy adults only Christine three stars. What are you talking about? 

Yeah. If they're you search. 

Terms I was too scared to click on it to see what would happen. I don't know what happens when you click on actual incoming in good reads. I don't know. I don't know. I I didn't wanna get banned from Goodreads. Well, you go and look up Steve and Chase and see. 

I've got a fair idea. I have a fair idea. Ohh, I don't know what happens in good reads, but see. I'm really interested. I'm really interested in grading. 

What happens? 

I don't know. I you put Stephen Chase and you get some. Very weird pictures in it. My goodness, Stephen chase. Probably good that we're getting to the end of the show. 

After that. 

It was a bit much, wasn't it? Wasn't expecting that in the polar shift. 

It was. It was a bit much. As the hatches matches and dispatches time. Yes, no. A celebrity who passed away tragically. Sadly, I don't know. A celebrity who passed away. Who said this? 

Actually, I plan to live to at least 100. 

Yeah. Did they make it? Well, not quite. Not quite. If you said Don Adams. 

9. 

My friends, you would be correct, Don Adams, the voice of Maxwell Smart and Inspector Gadget. 

Yeah. 

Yes, died on the 25th of September 2005. He was born in 1923. So no, not quite 100 and in his 80s it's still pretty good. 

Hmm. Enough. 

He served in the US Marine Corps during World War 2, nearly died. Blackwater fever. 

Did he? I didn't know that. I did not know that about him. 

Didn't we? Yes. Then after the war, he started doing stand up comedy and was very famous for his impressions. And then obviously that nasal delivery of his that later became his signature. 

Yes, Maxwell smart. Get smart. From 1965 to 1970, it was. That was the career defining role for him. Of course, the secret agent. Who had the shoe phone in that Mel Brooks? Buck Henry spy? Proof. Show the the the famous catch phrase, of course. Would you believe we do that? I can't do it and missed it by that much. And sorry about that, chief. 3 consecutive Emmy Awards. He won. He was also a voice over artist. He did Tennessee tuxedo in the cartoon series Tennessee Tuxedo in his tails, but most. 

MHM. 

Famously well to us for us 80s and 90s kids. Yes, inspector gadget. 

Was Inspector gadget. 

From 1983 to. 1986 basically Maxwell Smart as a clumsy detective. 

Yeah, 3 wives married three times. Father of seven kids known off screen as witty, but a little bit private as well. Too busy chasing women and getting married a lot, I guess. And having children, his daughter, actress Arlene Adams, predeceased him in 1982, which is a bit sad. He died on September 25th, 2000. 1/5 from a lung infection at Cedars Sinai Medical Centre. They all go to Cedar Sinai, don't they? Medical centre in Los Angeles. 

And also rehab there. I feel like that's like a rehab thing. I think a lot of people with. 

There's a lot of stuff there. It's a multifaceted hospital multidisciplinary facility. Yeah. He battled lymphoma in his later years. He was buried at Hollywood Forever Cemetery. And, you know, one of the greatest comic icons on TV from the 60s, definitely. And people still love. Get smart. And I mean, that was inspiration for shows like. 

Good. That's good. 

Archer and movies like Austin Powers and of course. 

Yeah. 

Go, go, gadget. Whatever. But I I just thought he was great. 

Actually, I plan to live to at least 100. However, if it doesn't work out that way, I just want to say now that I don't want a big. Funeral. I don't want a lot of flowers or eulogies or anything like that, just like a few of my. Close friends to get together. And try to bring me back to life. 

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Four year anniversary? Yeah, a little bit over. We started September 2001, didn't we? 

Yes. Lots of episodes. Yeah. And I don't think we've missed a week. I mean, I I count the highlight. 

Episodes as a week, just the effort involved there. 

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