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Joe and Mel Season 5 Episode 42

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Rewind to 6 November 2005 to 12 November 2005

🌠 Fireballs or flying saucers
Europe looks up, panics, phones the cops. Slow, glowing Taurids put on a show that screams UFO vibes then science says “comet crumbs, babes.”

✈️ Long-haul flex
Boeing’s 777-200LR Worldliner goes Hong Kong → London non-stop in 22h42m. Record set, jet lag sponsored by GE90 engines.

🩸 Outback nightmare fuel
Wolf Creek claws to #1 in Australia on a $1.4m budget. Backpackers rethinking road trips, esky sales unaffected.

📺 Satire with a side-eye
The Boondocks premieres on Adult Swim. Huey and Riley move to suburbia and roast America before the closing credits.

💃 First Lady of the mirrorball
Ada Nicodemou wins Dancing With The Stars with Aric Yegudkin. Perfect scores, perfect hair, Aussie TV gobbles it up.

🎸 Press green, feel famous
Guitar Hero lands on PS2. Five buttons, one plastic axe, instant living-room stadium tour if your wrist holds out.

📚 Not that kind of tearjerker
Nicholas Sparks’ At First Sight keeps book clubs busy and critics busy sighing. Bring tissues or snark — both work.

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The year is 2005. Anakin turns to the dark side. YouTube debuts and we couch jump for Mariah, McDreamy and a girl with a dragon tattoo. T-minus 20. Rewind 20 years with Joe and Mel. Week of 6, November 2005. T-minus 20. Hey, what do you think this is a talk show? It's an icebreaker, don't judge me yet. This is bananas. The power you will come home. My question is, who approved that ****? Do you see where this is going? Not really. Do you remember when meteors would be mistaken for UFOs or horror movies made you check the boot of your car and video games turned you into a rock god with zero talent? That's a bit like this equipment we'd have here. It's turned us into podcasters with zero talent. Welcome to T-minus 20, the podcast that rockets you back exactly 20 years to relive the week that was in news, music, movies and just general mayhem with your hosts Mel and Joe. Hello, Mel. 

Oh, you said it the other time. way around. I don't like that. feels uncomfortable. 

Yeah, because I'm Joe and you're Mel. 

It just felt wrong. 

Really? I just thought ladies first. Ladies first. 

It's polite, but it just didn't make sense in my head. I got confused. Hello. Rewinding to 6 to 12 November 2005 this week. These aren't your average shooting stars. We're talking about fireballs so bright they can outshine Venus and momentarily turn night into day. 

That's exactly right, and it caused a lot of false alarms over Europe. 

Yes. 

This time 20 years ago. 

100 years ago, almost to the date. The Wright brothers flew their distance record of 24.5 nautical miles in 38 minutes and 20 seconds, and they only quit because they ran out of fuel. And 100 years later, we flew 11,664 nautical miles. 

Yeah, big difference, but a new record in aviation set, this time 20 years ago. 

What do you actually do? I can tell you, but then I'm going to have to kill you. 

He's such a kid of that, Mick Taylor. 

It's the $1.4 million indie horror movie about the Australian outback. That one, he hit a little bit too close to home, I feel. 

Sure did. It was good, but we'll talk about that as well a little bit later. 

Still freaking me out. milestone for you this week, a big achievement. Congratulations. 

Oh, thanks. You've outed me. 

I've been working hard over the last couple of years. 

Oh, yeah, it's been about 18 months and I hit, I look, this is, I mean, this sounds like a humble brag. I'm starting to sound like one of those Instagram type people if I start talking like this. But I've hit my goal weight. Yay. Congratulations. Yay me. Yeah, but I do look, having said that, it's not like it didn't happen overnight, but it did happen. And it's been quite a challenge because I was fit and then I got injured and then I got really unfit and then I got really heavy. And then a couple of years ago, I thought, oh, listen, this is not looking too good. and it's starting to really affect my health. I ended up with sleep apnea, my joints were starting to ache and just generally just didn't really like who I was very much. And so decided to do the diet thing, but not the diet thing in the sense of like, I'm going to go undergo a body transformation or anything like that. I was just like, all right, we're just going to change gears here. Change gears and eat a little bit better and maybe get into the gym and start focusing on building muscle and things like that and getting strong so that, you know, when I become old, I won't actually, you know, be gassed when I'm trying to climb a flight of stairs or like pick things Pick things up on the floor, on the floor, off the floor, pick myself up off the floor, pick my tongue, like my tongue up off the floor at the moment. But yeah, so just doing stuff, the opening jam jars, you know, all of those things. 

It's interesting through the lens of nostalgia and the lens of, you know, 20, even 10 years ago. And we have kind of touched on this before when we've spoken about The Biggest Loser and the body transformation stuff, because you did go through, it was probably between 10 or 15 years ago, you did do the whole 12 week body transformation thing. And it's interesting to compare the pair, I guess, in terms of what you did the time before, where you... You just had to push yourself like crazy. It was all about the cardio, hitting the cardio. 

Yeah, and it happened super quick. 

Burn all the calories, 1200 calories per day, and you're burning about that through cardio as well as lifting weights. And I remember when you started with the body transformation. 

It was a bad couple of weeks. 

You had to take a photo of yourself holding up the newspaper. And on reflection, it just feels like you were captured and it was a bit of a proof of life thing, you're being held captive for 12 weeks, holding up. It was all my own personal Abu Ghraib. It was a little bit ick in hindsight. 

Kinda, kind of was. And I mean, the way I took the photos, I looked like a hostage anyway, hostage to my own weight, I guess. But it was a bit, and it all happened really fast and it was a really aggressive type thing and it wasn't sustainable. It was just, it was so results focused that it didn't really prepare you for what to do afterwards. 

And it was also the concept of food and this notion of good food and bad food as opposed to fuel and choose the best fuel that works for you. It was very much, oh, you can't have that. That's bad. Carbs are the enemy. No carbs for you. 

All food is good food. All food is good food. That's the thing. I think we get addicted to all these things like cigarettes and alcohol and stuff like that, but we also get addicted to food too. And so So it's a pretty hard habit to kick and it's a pretty hard habit to curb, but I'm very proud of myself. I lost 38, maybe 39 kilos. So that's pretty good, but I did it over like 18 months, maybe a bit longer. I look at, it's also like it was a year and it's completely changed how I exercise because I don't go out there and try and kill myself with cardio or anything like that. 

You don't have trainers yelling at you, screaming. 

No, but I still, like I lift weights and I still push myself as hard as I possibly can. you can. But it's a much more timed thing. If you know, it's hard to explain. I guess, like, I don't mind going to the gym, doing weights for an hour as opposed to, you know, doing relentless cardio where the sweat's pouring off you and you feel like you're about to collapse. 

And you don't want to do it. You're like, oh, gosh, I'm not looking forward to this. Whereas going to the gym and just going through your routine, it's actually quite therapy. 

Oh, I still lift heavy weights. So I still feel like I'm going to collapse, but it's just not as I don't know, stressful. It's not as intense. It's just, it's a little bit more meditative and almost, even though you're exerting yourself, it's almost relaxing. 

And I think the narrative has really shifted as well. Like you do still see it a little bit. And obviously here in Australia, we're moving into summer. So there is some of those bikini body challenges popping up. But it's not, I don't feel it is in the same way that it used to be. And now it's about, it's about the strength and not so much about the number on the scale. It's about What's sustainable for your body? And do you want your body to be strong? Because a strong toned body is not compatible with the lowest number on the scale. 

No, that's right. And that's something I'm still trying to figure out too. 

Yeah, well, it's the years of programming growing up in the early 2000s and the late 90s around weight. 

It's also committing to a routine. Like it's just like, all it is is like one hour a day, four days a week. You know, that's, or maybe a little bit over an hour, but it's not a lot of time in the grand scheme of things, but it's finding time for it. And it's trying to manage all the other things that can derail and sabotage. that because that is like a non-negotiable now. It's like I have to, if I don't do anything else this week, I still need to go there and do that thing for a little over an hour a day, four times in a week. which is, it's 4 and a bit hours. It's not much. 

Well, it's less time than you probably spend on the TikTok looking at *****. 

No, now I can go to the gym and see the TikTok is feeling themselves in real life. Have you seen that? There's, oh my goodness. 

Yes. 

Yeah, and look, there's nothing wrong with that. I mean, if you want to film yourself, go ahead. That recorder was recorded in the wild, I'm fairly certain as well. 

It was. 

In real life. Yes. 

One take wonder. 

Yeah. 

That was actually wasn't even edited. Had a little bit of flange slapped on it afterwards. 

Well, it's nothing like a little bit of flange. 

But you know, one take. 

It was a bit of an afterthought. Eat your heart out, Kenny G. It's the hatches, matches and dispatches section. Well, it's the clue that's going to link to the section at the end. It's just a celebrity that was having a birthday this time. Well, not this. I always do that. And it's not this time. 

Well, they did have a birthday this time 20 years ago and they had one 19 and 18 and every year since. 

Yeah, exactly. 

I went with my mom and we moved into a trailer park called Yogi Bear Park. There's a class system in a trailer park. And I don't like your tone. 

Mmm, a trailer park boy, perhaps. We'll find out who that is. Bit later. 

News starting with the 6th of November 2005. We thought we had some UFOs in Germany. The Germans were shook. 

We didn't. The Germans certainly did. There were certain Germans who were like, Holy Scheisen. 

Yes, the night skies lit up. Bright fiery orbs were streaking across the heavens, glowing, eerily silent, slow, not zooming across, just slow moving. People start calling the police. 

Look, it wasn't just the Germans either. It was the Polish as well. 

Polish as well. 

Polish. 

They were starting to. Yes. Even called the military, convinced that they were seeing UFOs. 

Yes, and well, it got onto the news. They were like mysterious lights over Europe and people started freaking out. We'd all seen, you know, our fair share of alien invasion movies. Were they big at the time? Oh, I feel like maybe a little early. Yeah, X-Files sort of stuff. Independence Day, you know, this sort of thing. You know, people are freaking out. And they're like, they're moving in formation. 

Oh, definitely a worry. 

So it's like, you know, call Mulder, call Scully. Get the smoking guy in there as well. I don't know. Do something. 

It's all right. Wasn't aliens. Turns out it was a meteor shower, the Taurid meteor shower, which is actually an annual event. 

That's right. It's happening right now. 

It happens every year. The Earth ploughs through a wide trail of debris left behind by a comet called... 

I think it's Ink. 

Ink. 

Ink. 

Ink. 

That's how I'm saying it. 

Been orbiting the sun for thousands of years. Usually you may spot a handful of taurids each hour, but 2005 was a little bit different. 

Yeah, the astronomers were saying that Earth was passing through an unusually dense filament of Inks. Debris, meaning bigger and brighter meteors, or in fact, fireballs that would light up the atmosphere as they, and I don't think they even made it to Earth. Like they'd burn up into nothing by the end of it. They weren't quick flashes either. They were very, like you were saying, slow, and they had big fiery trails that lasted for a few seconds. So they made people think that they were UFOs. They were not. They were shooting, well, they weren't even shooting stars, I guess. So if you wished on them, it wouldn't do ****** all. Although is that what a shooting star is? Because I don't think stars shoot, they just kind of exist in outer space until they go nova or supernova and burn out, right? Yeah. 

Yes, I don't know, I'm not up with my star knowledge. But here's where it gets interesting. 

I just don't think that, I know it probably does get interesting, but I just don't think shooting star is an appropriate term. I don't think, I don't think that the debris from Enk would identify as a shooting star. It would identify as debris from Enk. 

Yes. And like we said, this has been happening for a long time. And scientists actually thought that the Torrid stream might be responsible for one of the most mysterious cosmic events in history. which was an explosion in Tunguska in 1908. 

Yeah, this was, I love this story. This is a great story. So what happened in that year, I think it was around the end of June, this huge explosion flattened 2,000 square kilometres of forest in this remote place in Siberia, Tunguska, right? So the trees are knocked down everywhere, windows of houses shattered hundreds of kilometres away, but there was no crater. So what they were thinking, and I mean, it's very peculiar, what they were thinking and the leading theory is that this taurid meteorite fragment of Comet Enk from the debris field, like a big one, entered the atmosphere and exploded mid-air with like the force of about 10 to 15 megatons, which is about 1000 times that of the Hiroshima bomb. 

Oh jeez. 

Yeah, so when they say that the things are worth watching, they don't just mean for pretty streaks in the sky. It's also like, oh, be careful. Maybe run. We wouldn't want to have, you know, a repeat of the Tunguska explosion of 1908 anytime soon. 

No. 

I mean, it's kind of weird, like this is an annual event and that happened in 1908 and it was out in the middle of nowhere. I mean, I'm wondering if that's just a likely cover story. They're like, what was happening around the same time? Do you reckon we could tie it to the Torrid media? Yeah, of course we can. know, like some kid was probably out the back, hanging out in Siberia, playing with matches. Something like that. 

Maybe building things to blow up people's mailboxes or something. 

Possibly. I don't know. 

Just went wrong. 

I don't know. 

Put too much juice into that. 

I don't know. But you can see these things. You can. 

I think they're happening soon-ish. 

Yes. 

Aren't they? 

Yes. 

Where can we see them? Come on, give us, give us the girls. 

I'm glad you asked. So, It's around like now, at the time of this podcast coming out in, so there's the southern taurids that peak around the 5th or the 6th of November and the northern taurids next week on the 12th of November. But the bad news about this one is I think the full moon hits right on the southern peak. So a lot of the faint ones will be drowned out by the brightness. 

Yes, right. 

But they are quite slow. So you should still perhaps see something. And if you do, we'd love to see your photos. You can send them in. I don't know. That'd be interesting. 

We might, we might repost them. 

So it's a, you need to be up at, I'll be in bed, but you'll need to be up at around 11. 

I'll forget that. 

Between 11 and 2am. And you need to face east to northeast under a clear and very, very dark sky, which obviously is not going to be helped by with a full moon. No. But I reckon that'd be pretty cool. 

Yeah. No, I'm not either. 

That's why I'm saying send your photos here. 

Over to the 10th of November, still up in the sky actually. 

Yeah. 

The Boeing, do we say 777 or do we say 777 or do we say 777? How does it go? 

How do we do this one? 

It's the world liner making its record-breaking flight on the 10th of November 2005. 100 years ago, almost to the date, the Wright brothers flew their distance record of 24.5 nautical miles in 38 minutes and 20 seconds, and they only quit because they ran out of fuel. And 100 years later, we flew 11,664 nautical miles, and we still have two hours worth of fuel left. So, you know, it's a great aviation perspective, and all of us felt like this was an opportunity of an aviation career. 

Yeah, I guess it was. It was very impressive. 

It was boastful, wasn't she? 

Well, I guess, you know, just flown a plane around the world and we still had some great, good for you. That was the mission, fly the longest non-stop commercial flight in history, and they did it. They did it. 

So they started on the 9th of November. 

Yes. 

But the record was broken on the 10th. 

Yeah, so I took off from Hong Kong International Airport and 22 hours, 42 minutes later, landed, where in London, in London, 11,664. Yeah, she said it, you heard it all before. So there, it wasn't like they say commercial flight, right? But I mean, They're staff, engineers, journalists. 

Our promo tour. 

A couple of VIPs. So somebody must have paid for a ticket to make it a commercial flight, right? And they just, they proved that it could fly further than any other airliner before it and still land with plenty of petrol. And that's good, because that shows that you can do long range flight. And that's what those aircraft are specifically designed for, which is great. So they got big fuel tanks, lightweight composite materials, the GE 9011 5B, 115B engines, the most powerful jet engines ever built. 

And the idea was it could link cities like Sydney to New York or London to Perth without having to refuel. 

Yeah, so you get big long haul flights, which, and don't we just love them? I mean, they're great. 

No. 

Aren't they fun? No. What's the longest flight you've ever been on? 

Probably is the UK the furthest? Yeah. I came back from... Was it Rome? Or maybe I went to Rome back to London. Probably London back to Australia. 

Yeah. 

I think is probably the longest. 

Yeah. 

But it stopped somewhere in Asia, I think. 

Yeah. I did the London one too. Yeah. 

And it was the way home too. Like the way there, I find... You don't care so much on the way there because you're so excited. You've got so much excitement that you just kind of... 

I didn't want to go. 

Fall asleep. But when you're on the way back and you just want to be home, it is the longest amount of time. And you're like... Let me off this thing. I can smell feet. 

Yeah. 

Children's. 

The US is like 16 hours, but that's like double and a bit. 

I've had so much alcohol now. It's just not working. 

How long was it? 

I don't know, but it does stop. But usually you just get off for an hour or two and you can't get out of the airport and then you get back on. 

It stopped in like... Malaysia maybe? Kuala Lumpur is where I stopped. 

Oh right, yes. 

And then I went to Vienna and stopped there. And then I went to London. And then when I got to London, to Heathrow, I had to go in a five hour, five or six hour car ride to Wales. 

It was just so bad. The worst bit about the long haul flights is when you need to take a toilet break and it's towards the end of the flight. 

Oh yuck. 

After many other people have had toilet breaks along the way. You just don't, you just don't want to be going at that point. 

It's none of it is fun. Just none of it. So thanks a lot, Boeing. Like for that. 

Yeah, great. 

Exactly. 

You're looking at me like you want me to talk. Right, sorry, you just didn't communicate that very well. You're just staring. Normally you point. There's no point. 

I was pointing with my eyes. 

So you set our names around the opposite way and then you're just staring. I know. I'm very confused. I know. 

I'm waiting for our dog to turn into a cat. 

I don't know what to do right now. Okay, I do know what to do. Let's go to the charts. We'll start with Australia. I ain't saying she a gold digger. But she ain't messing with no broken. I ain't saying she a gold digger. 

Ye of Kanye West's face. 

Yes, number one here in Australia. Number one in the UK is Madonna. 

Gimme, gimme, gimme a man after midnight. 

Oh, that's what it is. 

It's ABBA. I mean, Madonna. 

I think she's wearing leg warmers in that video, wasn't she? I feel like she was. She's dancing around looking fit as she does. 

Just another banger from the Queen of Pops. 

Yes. 

Yeah, and that using ABBA to great effect. I have to admit, it's very it's a good song. 

Good usage. 

It's a good song. It's very catchy. Should we do the US charts? Yes. Sure, why not? Yeah. So survivor. 

Yeah. 

Third party know the game. Don't stop trying to make it to the top for your skin. Now. Look at this photograph. Every time I do it makes me laugh. How did our eyes get so red? Love my lady love. 

My homestay got you She's got me spin If the man ain't on the floor If he ain't, let me know Let me see if you can run it, run it Girl, I need I can run it, run it I ain't sayin' she a gold digger But she ain't messin' with no broke, broke Now I ain't sayin' she a gold digger But she ain't messin' with no broke, broke Get down, girl, go ahead, get down. 

Kanye again. 

Still, yes. It's all over the place. 

Yeah. 

Number 2, run at Chris Brown. Number 3, My Humps, Black Eyed Peas. I saw Fergie on stage with Luda. Luda was doing some big concert the other night and all these famous people were there. Usha, Usha, with Ludacris. was on stage. Who else was there? I think LL Cool J. He's very well networked, Ludacris. He's got a lot of friends, but he has been on a lot of other people's songs as well. So, yeah, team player, he's ludicrous. 

History's been pretty kind to Ludacris, especially given some of the lyrical content, but. 

I know, but we're fine with that because it's Luda. 

Well, he's not singing about us, is he? No. 

It's fine. Photograph #4 by Nickelback. 

I'm a bit sad that this is starting to slide down the chart, so I just want to look at this. Every time I do, it makes me laugh. 

But we do have a new entry, so that's good, something we can talk about. Yeah, I'm a sole survivor, yeah. Everybody knows the game, don't stop trying to make it to the top for your skin. Now, if you were a writer, yeah, I'm a sole survivor. 

Yeah. 

Were they swearing in there or was that just an effect? 

They took it out, didn't they? 

Yes. Yeah. Young Jeezy feet acorn. 

Acorn, acorn, acorn, acorn. Yeah, I just, when you refer to the one that falls out of the tree, that's what I call an acorn. Because for some reason I can't, in context, I can't say acorn. Like I can say acorn now, but if I go, oh, look at that acorn tree. See? what I mean? I can't do it. 

This is going to be a problem because he's in the charts and I think Chicken Little is still at the box. So you're not going to have a very good time this week. 

No, not at all. 

Sales survivor. 

How much do you're going to do that just in the background is just going, yeah. How much he got paid? 

Well, it's his song, Young Jeezy. 

That's Young Jeezy. 

It's Young Jeezy. That's the second single from Young Jeezy's album called Let's Get It. 

So what did he say? 

Hang on, I haven't finished his album title. Let's Get It, colon, Thug Motivation 101. 

Yeah. 

Featuring Acorn on the hook. Akon sounds like he has a cold in that. Can you play him again? He just sounds like he's got a bit more, he's got a, he sounds a little bit different to the other Akon song, Lonely. 

Really. 

He sounds like he's got a bit of a cold. 

I don't think Akon's ever sounded all that well. 

Percy. Sounds like his nose is a bit blocked. 

It sounds like he needs like a vapor drop. 

And he's turned up on this, he's woken up in that in the morning and he's like, oh, I've got a stuffy nose. Is it COVID? I'll do a test. No, I'm good. It's not the bird flu or the swine flu, but you know, these studios, they cost a lot of money. I can't reschedule. I'll just go in and do it with a blocked nose. It does sound like he's got a bit, he's a bit unwell. Yeah. Poor guy. The song is all about resilience. So showing up when you've got a blocked noise. That's right. 

Vix be damned. 

Getting through the street life, dodging danger. 

Yep. 

Staying alive long enough to see success. Even when you're full of snots. 

You're not going to do that if you go into the studio sick. 

But he's haunting vocals to make it feel like a gospel hymn for hustlers. 

Apparently. Do you think? 

Well, they're not my words. They're someone else's. I don't know whose, but someone else's. The video was pretty good. 

Was it? 

Directed, it was like a little crime movie. Jeezy and A-Con are on the run from the police and they were hiding out in clubs and warehouses. Even a cameo from Beanie Siegel. Apparently it was like Fast and Furious meets the wire, but with better lighting. 

Yeah. 

That's what they say. 

You know what he needed? He needed like a bowl of hot water, bowl of boiling water with a little bit of Vicks in it and a towel. 

Yes. 

Just before he went into the booth. 

Yeah, I think so. Yeah, or... What's that stuff? Throat coat. 

Throat coat. 

Throat coat. That tea that singers drink. Throat coat. That's supposed to help with that sort of stuff as well. 

Yeah, I don't think that'd clear your sinuses though. 

Nah, it does everything. Does everything. 

I mean, you know, a couple of blasts of cocaine, it'd just block them right back up again too. That's probably a bigger problem. 

The song and the line I'm A Soul Survivor became a bit of a catchphrase in the early 2000s, quoted in MySpace bios, was all over t-shirts. 

Really? So you got like, oh, because it's Soul like S-O-U-L. Not as in the only person left on Earth. 

So, like, walking on rocks, no soul. 

Right, so you got the little quote on your MySpace page, I'm a soul survivor. Of what, mate? Of what? Well, I was under this massive tree and this acorn fell out of it. I think I just said it. 

You did it right. 

I got it right. Yay! it's like a Christmas miracle come early. I actually was able to say it. 

And look, what's number one in the US this week. 

Oh, Chicken Little's still number one in the US. 

What happened in Chicken Little? 

Well, Chicken Little's walking along and an acorn fell out of a tree. I can't do it again. It's gone. Anyway, we talked about that movie last week. So over in Australia, this is the one that you want to talk about. This is Wolf Creek. Captain's log. So far, no sign of intelligent light forms. 

Looks like we might be spending the night. 

What the hell? 

Just stay in the car. What the bloody hell are you off doing out here? 

Scared the **** out of him. 

So, where do you live? Oh, I get around here. Never know where I might... Pop up. What do you actually do? I can tell you, but then I'll have to kill you. 

Oh, John Jarrett as Mick Taylor. What a great performance in that film. 

Was he? was on Better Homes and Gardens, wasn't he? 

Yes, I was very disturbed. Noni's husband. I think he was on Playschool at one stage as well. 

Noni's husband, who was, you know, teaching us, what was it? What did he do? He was like a handyman on Better Homes and Gardens, teaching us to make things. Turns murderer. It was horrible, that movie. 

It was pretty good on the tools in Wolf Creek, I tell you. 

Oh my goodness. 

It was a very scary movie. It was a good film. I really enjoyed it. But it was, it's, you know, it's one of those really stressful sensory overload things. It doesn't end well for anyone. Something strange happened in November 2005 in Australian cinemas because it just went all the way to the top of the box office. 

We loved it. 

Everyone loved it. 

We did. 

And so it was written and directed by a guy called Greg McLean. It starred John Jarrett from Better Homes and Gardens as Taylor and then just a bunch of kind of unknown young actors as well. They only paid $1.4 million to get it all made. That's how much it cost them to make it. Open on the 3rd. 1.2 million, it made its almost made its money back. In the first weekend. But that's in Australia, that hit number one nationally with that kind of money. And that beat out like Chicken Little. 

Yes. Well, the premise was the three travellers heading into the outback. And then they come across Mick Taylor. 

Yeah. 

And obviously loosely inspired by, and this is probably also part of the success, inspired by hashtag inspo from Ivan Milatz. 

Yeah. 

The backpack murderer. 

Yeah. 

We had the disappearance of British tourist Peter Falconio a couple of years earlier as well. Although they did say, you know, it is fictional. It was loose, loosely based. 

And I've told the story before. Like, I grew up in the neighborhood of Ivor Milat, like, and so I'd seen him around town and whatnot. And when I saw John Jarrett as Mick Taylor, I was like, he's taken like heaps of cues with that character from Milat. Absolutely. Absolutely. 

In terms of the way he... 

The big truck, the just the road kind of guy, and then, and then just his demeanor as well. The outfit, the The hair, the... sideburns, like all of it. Like, I mean, very loosely, but absolutely, absolutely. And it was, it was wonderful, but, so I, really, I think I enjoyed it more because of that, because of the familiarity and I knew sort of, of the character that he was, based on more than probably the average person who just knew that character from the news or the newspapers, because I used to see him walking down the street. 

And I think too, the other thing, as you watch that movie and you watch what they're going through, it does make you go, whoa, that's what those poor backpackers would have experienced. So I think it's sort of... kind of captivated us in a way because it was so close to home. 

Yeah, and well, it captivated the critics too. The critics were like, oh, some were like, it was wonderful. Like Variety loved the atmosphere, the authenticity, and it was pretty authentic. But Roger Ebert, I think, was just like 0 stars. He just said it was a sadistic endurance test. I tend to agree. to a degree with Roger Ebert. Like, I can't really offer a solid opinion on the film, I think, based on the fact that I get lost in the character that he was based on. I'm like, oh my God, it's like, wow. But the whole, the sadism in it is next level. Like, it's a very, very violent, horrific movie. 

Yeah. 

And, but that's the thing. Like, it's people just flock to that stuff. 

Yeah. 

They love it. 

Yeah. 

They go to it all the time. And decades later, it's still up there. Like, there was such a thing with cinema in sort of the 60s and 70s in Australia, Ozploitation, and they were like, this is Ozploitation 2.0. And I think it inspired a lot of young up and coming filmmakers in Australia to get out there and start making stuff. And like, good filmmakers always tend to, I feel, well, not good filmmakers, but a lot of big directors come from a background of horror and doing horror films because horror films are easy to set set up and make. Like the premise is pretty simple and you can kind of, you can do it fairly cheaply as well, which is why I think they do it. And with all of these things, once you're on a good thing, it's another reason why we can't have nice things, because they're like, that was really good. That was really good. So we're going to throw that back at people again and say, hey, this is really good as well. So we'll give you a sequel, which I don't think was as good. And not only that, but we'll double down on that because we need some stuff to put on our streaming platform, Stan. So we'll do a TV series. 

Stan's looking a bit empty. The show's pretty empty. I don't remember, did you see the, I don't remember the sequel. I don't think I watched it. 

Oh, the sequels, man. I just, if you've seen Wolf Creek, trust me, I don't think you need to see the sequel or the TV series because it's basically the same stuff, right? And it's like, it's not that it's bad. And it's like, I guess it was great because it created more jobs in Australia in that business, which is a business that certainly struggles and it's hard to get paid well in that business and keep constant work up. So that's all wonderful. But it's just, what happens is they do that and then they do it to death and then people get fatigued. 

Get sick of it. 

And then it all dries up again. Whereas you need to be constantly reinventing yourself and doing something new, I think. 

Something that was a little bit different on TV with the premiere on the 6th of November 2005, the Boondocks. Yeah. Premiered on Adult Swim. 

Do you remember this? I remember this from cable TV, like because we had Foxtel. 

When we had Foxtel. 

And yeah, and this was one of those. It was like, it looked like anime, but it wasn't. If you know what I mean. It was American show. 

Yeah. Created by Aaron McGruder and based on his provocative newspaper comic strip, it followed brothers Huey and Riley Freeman, two black kids from Chicago navigating life in the overwhelmingly white suburb of Woodcrest. Sunday on the bone docks. Can I have my gun back? 

Garden party? Yeah, boy! I might go buy some sandals and new underwear. 

Granddad, try to assassinate me! Granddad, I do not sit tea with the enemy. You cannot force me to be someone I'm not. The hell I can't! You gonna go, or I'm gonna beat your ***. Why can't we be ourselves? Are you ashamed of us? Very! The Boondocks, Sunday at 11 p.m. Adult Swim. 

I think that we got that off someone's VCR and they didn't adjust the track. 

They hadn't cleaned. Well, no, they hadn't cleaned the heads. 

Dirty heads. 

They hadn't cleaned the heads with a cotton bud and metho. That's the problem. 

Well, you got to be careful though. You don't want to damage the heads otherwise. 

No, and you don't want to leave metho residue because then you ruin the tape. 

That's going to ruin the tape. 

So careful. 

Yeah. Boondocks. Boondocks. But it was. 

So it's animation. 

Yes, but it was very satirical. 

It was told through the lens of a ten-year-old and his wannabe gangster little brother. 

Yeah, that's right. I think they're living with their grandfather. 

But it blurred the lines between comedy and confrontation, I think. 

Yeah. Well, it was very political in a lot of ways. And the comic strip was also quite political as well. So this just gave, what's his name, Magruder, the author, just a bigger platform. So he did it. And they got into the conservatives. They took on hip hop culture. They took on black leaders. Yeah, it's kind of, I guess you look at like Chappelle's show as well. Like it was in that kind of vein. And it had people like Regina King as one of the voice actors on there, John Witherspoon as the grandfather, which you would have heard there as well. So some big names in there. And a lot of networks at the time were like, I don't know, but it certainly found a home on Adult Swim. And it's as a consequence, it's become a bit of a cult favourite. 

And it proved too that channel could be more than just the crude jokes. There was space to be a bit more provocative and educate and challenge views as well. 

Yeah, because it's like on at the same time as like Aqua Teen Hunger Force and all of that sort of stuff. So it was a bit more heavy hitting than that, put it that way. 

Over in Australia. Speaking of heavy hitting, very heavy hitting, very provocative. The 8th of November, we have the big final of Dancing with the Stars here in Australia. And our favourite Home and Away starlet, Ada Nicodemu and her partner, Eric, win season #3. 

I couldn't actually find anything of them winning season #3. 

Or maybe they didn't. Maybe it didn't happen. 

I did find some stuff where they were interviewed by Sonia after their first dance at the beginning of season three. 

Now first up, Ada, Dancing with the Stars, not Singing with the Stars. I know, I can't help it. Because you were doing that all through rehearsal, you were singing, and tonight. It's the only way it relaxes me. I just wish I got the moves right to begin with and I would have been right. It actually looks really cute, so I don't think you have to worry about it. Has she been difficult to work with? You better be careful now. She's hard work and she's persistent, but she tells me off all the time. You can tell me later, all right? 

That's BS. Aida Nicodemu is not hard to work with. 

No. 

She's a really nice person. 

And you're trying to find some controversy there? 

Always, just poking around, sticking a nose where it's not wanted. 

I think Eric was the youngest dancer ever on the show at that point, and he went on to be one of the favourite dancers. Everybody wanted to be matched up with him because he was so good. 

He was seven at the time, but quite macho, like he matured quite early. He did. Which is good, because I didn't think it was quite short, so that worked perfectly. 

They defeated Chris Barth. Oh, Barthy. She was a favourite as well. 

Well, the news reader, yes. 

I like her too. And then she married the other, the other news reader. I think that's great. 

Who did she marry? 

That news reader guy. What was his name? Whoever he was sports. 

Not Peter Overton, because he's married to Jessica Rose. 

So that's two news reader matches. I like that one as well. 

It's a perfect match. That ability score about 85%. 

Definitely. I think both of them had been married before. Who was it? was the guy, Jim, Jim, someone, I think. 

Oh, the sports guy, Jim. Jim. Yeah, Jim. 

Jim. 

And now it's over to the sport with Jim. Jim. Yeah, him. 

Him, that guy. 

Yeah. 

I loved them together. 

Did you? Yeah, they still still together. 

Well, I should probably look it up. 

You get a bit jealous of the fact that she was dancing with Jim and Chris. 

I think they got together after. 

Paul Licuria. She was dancing with Barthy. Paul Licuria. 

Licuria. 

Yeah. 

I thought you were saying Mercuria. 

Yes, no, I think it's a year. It's a bit. 

Jim Wilson. 

Jim Wilson. Yes, Jim Wilson, the sports guy. 

They got married in 2012. 

Yes, and yes. 

It doesn't say that they're divorced. 

Well, that's good, because this is after Dancing with the Stars. So this was obviously water under the bridge. So even if there was some chemistry with her and Paul LaCuria, it was obviously quickly extinguished as soon as Jim Wilson came onto the scene. 

Well, you know what? 

With his big sporty sport voice. 

He proposed, and only weeks later, they did they marry. So they got married very quickly. 

That is very quickly. 

And they're still married. 

Good for them. That's excellent. I'm glad that they're still married. 

Lovely coupling, but back to Ada, because it was Ada's night, not Chris's. 

Yes. And I think they'd obviously come a long way since the first episode there where she was singing a bit when she was there. 

I remember that, because I was working at the TV station that was on. 

Oh, right, of course. That was a big deal. It was a big flagship show. 

Go and write those promos for Dancing with the Stars. It's a big show. I had to write radio promos and television promos for it. was all about the... We loved her and we loved the fact that she was singing along as she was dancing. It was cute and quirky and was she was from Home and Away. Another big flag. Was it a show for? 

The channel? Was it on? Was it Tuesdays? 

I feel like it was a Wednesday. It was a Wednesday. It wasn't on Amazing Thursday because that was Amazing Race. 

That was Amazing Race. I'm just thinking, what are you doing the promo? It's like Wednesday, you've got to have an alliteration. sort of thing with Wednesdays. 

Your hump day just got more dancey. I don't know. I can't remember what it was. 

That was absolutely no alliteration in any of that. So I don't know. That blows that theory out of the window. 

I wasn't the best at writing the promos. 

It's a whack Wednesday tonight on Prime coming up with more wacky. There's not even a dance that starts with a W. No. Wang Dangos. Anyway, so maybe it wasn't a Wednesday. It just doesn't fit them all. 

I think it wasn't a Wednesday. I'm sure it was a Wednesday. Because Tuesday was, what was that show, Las Vegas? That was on a Tuesday, I think. You know that show that had Fergie Ferg's husband? 

Well, whatever they paid you write promos. 

Doesn't matter, back to Ada. 

Anyone who's writing promos for Wednesday shows obviously needs to be paid more than the people who are writing shows for Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday. 

I know, I agree. Ada did a jive and a foxtrot and a freestyle dance. She actually earned perfect scores and was the first female winner of the Australian series. And the final, the finale, a big win, drew over 2 million Australian viewers making it one of the top rated shows of the year. We loved it. We loved it, didn't we? 

Dancing with the Stars. 

That was Darryl was hosting it. He was bumbling his way. He was bumbling and he made a few comments and we were like, No, that's a bit gross. 

I just, did we love it? I guess we did. Everyone did. 

It was something new. It was, let's take, you know, it's the fish out of water. Take the celebrities out of the things they're comfortable. But we've done it for years. Then there was the skating one, and then you've got like Celebrity Big Brother, and you've got, what's the one where they throw them in the bush? Does celebrity get me out? 

I throw them in the bush. 

I don't know, jungle somewhere? 

That sounds like a great reality show. 

Throw someone in the bush. 

Five bushes. Five celebrities. In the bush. 

I mean. It's a bush chucking Wednesday. 

Stay tuned as we throw them in the bush. Yeah, that's great. 

I'd watch that. 

Yeah. 

Celebrity bush. 

Celebrity bush whacking. I don't know. Something. A bush whacking Wednesday. 

Yeah. 

There it is. There's your Wednesday promo. I want double the whatever the people that are doing the Tuesday promos are on. Yeah. I don't know. I guess we did. These days it's like Robert Irwin's trending in Dancing with the Stars. He's doing it over in the States because he's quite the heart. 

Oh, everyone loves him after. Some of the crocodile hunters in these undies and the Bonds commercial. Yeah, but all the old ladies are like, oh, I don't think I can look at that. And it's like, no, you can't. 

I have to say, my favorite thing of his is when he was on The Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon and Kevin Hart was there and he was bringing out all the animals when he was quite young when Robert Irwin was. 

I liked it when he was dangled over the crocodile. That's my favourite. 

Oh, when he was a baby. 

Yeah, that's my favourite TV. 

That was a great TV moment. Great moment in Australian television. Oh, yes, all the lonely guys out there. It's video game time. 

This is the one I like. 

Did you? 

I'm excited about things. 

Yeah, the crowd goes wild for us. Oh. 

I'm getting excited and nervous. Don't press the wrong button because they're cheering for you. Don't make them boo. 

Exactly. Guitar Hero. Guitar Hero was released on the PS2. It was a massive game. I loved it. was really great. Because it was just like one of those rhythm games that they brought into the house. 

It was like Dance Dance Revolution, but for your fingers. 

Yes, exactly. Really, wasn't it? Yes. And it was thoroughly enjoyable. And you didn't have to go through, like you didn't have to get drunk because it wasn't karaoke. You know, with Sing Star, you had to kind of be a little bit hammered to enjoy it. 

Yes, whereas this one, it was worse. I remember we had a few Smirnoff blacks and tried to do Sweet Child of Mine. I think we were up all night. 

I think we put the instruments down and just decided to sing it instead. Because it was hard. It's like it was lots of hand-eye coordination. It's so funny these days when you see the videos of the dudes doing like, you know, through the fire and flames by Dragon Force. It's a bazillion miles an hour on Guitar Hero and you watch their fingers and stuff go over and you're like, wow, that's a lot of talent, but... What else can you do? Do you know what I mean? Like, it's like, it was a great game. It was really fun, but it's like... 

Karaoke for people who can't actually play guitar. 

And like with that kind of hand-eye coordination, I'm sure maybe, like maybe you could take it somewhere. But not if you keep just playing Guitar Hero. 

It was plastic guitar, 5 coloured buttons instead of strings, and you just have to press the matching buttons as they came up on the certain point at the screen and you'd strum. And you basically slash, right? 

Maybe. Or Lemmy from Motorhead that did like there's like Ace of Spades was on there. 

Yes. 

Bark at the Moon, Aussie, More Than A Feeling by Boston, Smoke on the Water. I mean, that was a relatively easy one, as it should be. It's like one of the first songs you learn Symphony of Destruction, Peter Megadeth on there. 

Was Smoke on the Water the first one that you did? I feel like it should have been the first one that everybody had to do. 

Yeah, before you could actually play the game. I'm not sure. I'd have to go and dust it off. It's been a long time. I don't even think I've got it. 

Mother by Danzy. We played, I liked that one. And yes, Sweet Child of Mine. I think I actually got that before you because we take turns. 

Yes. 

And I think I got it before you and I think you were annoyed that I got it before you. 

I just felt, you know, I just kind of felt emasculated really. But you should. Well, that was back when I, you know, had a bit of testosterone flowing through my body. I don't really have any these days, so it doesn't really matter. Win it all you like. 

It was really sassy as well if you stuffed up. It was quite. Savage because you heard them clapping there, but if you started to play that, then they'd boo you. You'd get thrown off. But you'd also get the fail messages. You've failed to rock. 

Yes. 

Maybe you should try the kazoo. 

That was particular. 

Was that supposed to be music? 

Yeah. 

Looks like the crowd's not feeling it. Oh, there's the boo meter. Even your roadies embarrassed. 

Yeah, that's bad. 

And then they do the reviews as well from fake magazines. 

Yeah. 

Audience flees mid-solo. 

That's particularly harsh. 

Local rock fan says I've heard better. noises from a lawn mower. 

I like the mum one. Your mum called and she says you're grounded. Drowned. Yeah, as an acorn fell on your head. It was hard. It was very hard. But if you didn't do very well either, if it was all going to poo, you couldn't redeem yourself. The lights had come on and they'd cut the song. 

Yeah, that's right. Sometimes they'd stop it. And then that's when you knew you really... How many tars did we have? We had so many plastic tars. 

We bought a few iterations of it. I think we had like 3 or 4. 

Oh, because every time a new PlayStation came out, you'd need a different guitar to plug in. I do recall us having... And I was like, it's going. 

To be, I go, I was hoping that I'd get quite famous at Guitar Hero. I'd be in Guitar Hero World Magazine. I'd be like, come out to my house and check out my rig. You know, like that's the thing. Like what else? 

Guitar Hero guitars. 

Exactly. Like what else can you do beyond that? You know, like it's, that was the thing with it. You know what was actually better was actually, and I've done it recently, is picking up where I left off when I was like, God knows how old and I decided to put it down. But picking up where I left off, an actual f***ing guitar and learning how to play that, that's a lot more satisfying and fun. 

Actually, before we start to talk about books, do you remember DJ Hero? Oh, that was... 

Yeah, we bought everything. with a peripheral we would buy. 

DJ Hero, and there was Rock Band, so we had the drums. Yeah. 

This is exactly why this segment is called Books We Didn't Read. 

Because we're too busy playing fake instruments. 

Fart-arsing around. 

Triangle Hero. I'd be good at that. They should bring out a triangle hero. Recorder hero. There we go. Recorder hero. 

They're nice and easy peripherals. You want to get some big guys like timpani hero? 

Imagine plugging a recorder into the PlayStation and it bursting through your speakers. 

Oh, that's just. 

That's a good time. 

That's excellent. Yeah, and that like, and then the tutorials. The tutorial track is just adorable. 

You'd be up all night learning that one. It's very difficult ********* there. 

This is, yes, this is why we don't finger through the pages of books because we're too busy ********* peripherals over on our PlayStation, whatever that is supposed to mean. So what's this? 

A book. At First Sight. 

What are they? 

At First Sight, it's the name of the book, but man, it's by Nicholas Sparks. 

Oh, that sounds like a... Guitar hero type name, Nicholas Sparks. 

Nicholas Sparks, yes, he's like grinding the axe. 

What's the genre? What are we looking at? 

Sparks are flying off it because he's going so fast. What is it? I don't know, a couple, a mystery. I think mystery, maybe love, maybe tragedy, maybe some unexpected joy. I don't know. Can you encapsulate all of that in some free music? 

I'm just going to go with some **** music then. Is that all right? 

Nothing screams tragedy or unexpected joy like ****. 

All right. There are a few things Jeremy Marsh was sure he'd never do. He'd never leave New York City. He'd never give his heart away after barely surviving one failed marriage. And never become a parent. Now, Jeremy is living in the tiny town of... Moon Creek, North Carolina, engaged to Lexi Darnell, the love of his life, and anticipating the start of their family. But just as his life seems to be settling into a blissful pattern, there's plenty of blissful patterns in his music. It's wonderful. A mysterious and disturbing email sets off a chain of events that will change the course. of this young couple's relationship. How well do we really know the ones we love? How do we handle the inevitable doubts, fears concerning parenthood and stumbling blocks that are sometimes placed in our way? I wasn't, the drum surprised me a little bit then, I got it fright. Continuing the story of the young couple introduced in Spark's best-selling, True Believer, this novel captures all the heartbeat, tension, romance and surprises of those who are newlywed. An astonishing tale about the love between a man. This goes on and on. I need to cough. And a woman between a parent and a child. At First Sight is about endings that bring new beginnings, tragedies that lead to unexpected joy, and most of all, the magic of everlasting love. All right. I'm here to clean the pool. 

June one star. Have you ever read a book so alive with real characters and relatable plots that you're stunned by their insights into the human experience? At first sight will not be that book. 

Oh, dude. 

Maybe you've met a book. book that makes you want to spend your inheritance buying copies and mailing them to all your friends and acquaintances? Nope, not this book. 

Oh, she's just setting us up and knocking them down. 

How about a book that tugs you forward with mounting tension and sweeps you into an exhilarating climax so perfectly flawed and true that you sit for a moment gasping or sobbing after you close the story? This is not that book. 

That's a shame, because the music really fit that one. Yeah. 

What about a book so vacuous, so stereotypical, so dotty and infuriating that you are miffed at yourself for having torched several hours of your one wild and precious life to have read it? Girl! This was that book. 

Wow. She does. June is very upset. 

She's very upset. 

Michelle. One star. 

Save yourself $8 and get somebody to beat you with a stick or run over you with a small car. 

It will be the same feeling you get from reading this book and at least you might get a sympathy card or some flowers. Wow, they really don't like it, do they? This is a New York Times bestseller, people. 

Jean Saint-Emande, one star. 

Or is it Jean? 

Jean Saint-Emande. 

Yeah. 

One star. YTF. I think that means the... 

Yes. 

Was the Bloody Mayor the best man? How about Jeremy's dad or one of his brothers? This was bad, really bad. And then, Jean Saint Amand's friend, Cecily Paddle. 

Cecile Paddle, I think it is. 

I mean, that's Cecily. 

That's an instruction. Cecile. Cecile Paddle. 

She says to Jean, I was honestly surprised when I saw this in your bag of offerings for me. So many by this author are... That was the vomiting emoji. I never envisaged you reading one. That was 3 laughing emojis. So Jean Cinemande put it in a bag of offerings for Cecily Paddle, so she palmed it off. 

Really. 

To her. And then Jean Saina Mans comments back to Cecily Cattle. 

They're having a conversation because they know each other. 

They know each other. 

John and Cecily. 

Yes. 

Cecile. 

I'm saying Cecily. Right, okay. So Cecily is like, yeah, thanks ***** for giving it to me. I, you know, this, all the books are vom. Why did you give it to me? And so then John comes back on to Cecily and says, Valerie gave it to me in a gift after my surgery. Whoa. 

He re-gifted. 

Yes. 

I feel like. 

You can't re-gift a post-surgery gift. That's in poor taste. 

Valerie gave it to me in a gift after my surgery. LOL. Corky. Corky. One star. My sister gave me this book when I was pregnant with my then 4th troublesome pregnancy. 

She raved about what a great love story it is and how it reminded her of myself and my husband, only realising her mistake after I finished the book and asked her if she thought I was going to die in childbirth or a horrible accident. She meant to lend me true believers. I highly do not recommend reading this whilst in a pregnant emotional hormonal state because it gave me nightmares for months. 

Poor Corky. 

I think there's a lot of troublesome stuff in there about pregnancy, and it was not what Corky wanted to read. 

Sounds like it. 

And Corky's sister's gone, oh, God, this reminds me of you and your husband. And then Corky's reading going, oh, wow. God, what a *****. 

Well, either that or a sicko. 

Yes. 

Yeah. All right. 

Anyway. 

Hatches, matches and dispatches. We're just going to go straight to the clue. A celebrity birthday. They said this. I went with my mom and we moved into a trailer park called Yogi Bear Park. There's a class system in a trailer park. And I don't like your tone. If you said Ryan Gosling. his birthday. And he did spend some time raised in a trailer park. Here's the rest of that story. If you have no wheels in your trailer, it's stationary. You are considered, you're really living it up. You're living the dream. And a lot of people have, they cover their wheels with siding, but it's just the size of the wheel. So you can tell that there are wheels there. They're posing. Yeah. And that's what, that's what we lived in. Yeah. So fresh out the trailer was What was his? Oh, he's 25 in 2005, Ryan Gosling. 

So is he saying that you're considered more pov if you've got wheels on your trailer? 

No, I think it's like it's considered less pov. You're more permanent in the trailer park. In the hierarchy, you move higher up because you put siding over the wheels to cover them up. 

Oh, okay, so you've been there. 

You're there to stay. 

Yeah, okay. 

You've been there a while. You're a local. 

Okay. 

If there is such a thing as locals at trailer parks, I'm sure there is. Yeah. So, I mean, from humble beginnings, as they say, to that, I mean, during November 2005, he'd just done, what did he just done? Well, it was the note, wasn't it? That's right. 

That was when everyone was in love with him. 

Yeah, but he was still the indie guy from that. So that was kind of the launch for him, though. But I mean, now, you know, he's going on a much bigger role. 

Well, in 2005, he was filming Half Nil. which was also an indie drama where he played a drug addicted school teacher. 

Yes. 

And he earned an Academy Award nomination for it. I've never heard of that. I've never seen it. I don't know what it is, but apparently it was good. 

It's kind of like books you didn't read. 

Yes. 

And then I think during 2005, he was doing more sort of uncomfortable stories like Half Nelson, like you were saying, Lars and the Real Girl, which is a a great movie, but very, very strange. It's about a guy who has a relationship with a real doll, like a, an, yes. And, gosling, yeah, it's a fascinating film. 

He's last, is he? 

Yeah, Blue Valentine was another movie. So he really, and yeah, like playing these kind of heartbreaky. tragic characters, but doing very well. But I think by 2016, he got another Oscar nod with La La Land, which was huge. But he was definitely more of a, I think, a craft sort of actor, you know, and I think that's how he kind of got it. That's how he kind of became as huge as what he is now. Like he's probably, he's got that old school sensibility as far as movie stars go. I reckon I really liked him in The Grey Man, I thought that was a great movie. And I really liked him in First Man, although he kind of played Neil Armstrong and was nothing like Neil Armstrong. But then Bobby, I mean, he's awesome. He's great in that. Everybody's in Barbie. Yes. Yep. He's married to Eva Mendes, low key, low key, got a family, very anti-celebrity when they're out and about doing their own thing. And yeah, there you go. The guy from The Notebook and now he's a guy from everywhere. Happy Birthday. 

And now he's the guy from Hatch, Match and Dispatch. Happy Birthday. 

Exactly. So he's really arrived now. He has. 

It's his moment. 

Right when we're about to go. Geez, that's awkward, isn't it? is the end of the show. Sorry, Ryan. What have we got? We've got some stuff next week, though. We've got, we have got a guy who cured himself of HIV next week. 

Oh, really? 

That's a massive story, that story. What else have we got? We've got, oh, we've got a huge scandal from Sony. 

Oh, on the old CDs, yes. Oh, 50 Cent. 50 Cent was doing some stuff. 

good. 

He was, he had a side hustle going, a very interesting side hustle that I did not expect for him. 

And Harry Potter. 

And we've got another book. 

Oh, another book. That Harry Potter's not the book, but we have another book, which is great. And I think maybe a wedding as well that we can actually talk about. Yeah, it's all happening next week. Unfortunately, you've come on the wrong week. I'm sorry, I can't help you. But maybe if you stick around, like subscribe or do whatever you need to do to make the podcast download automatically on whatever device you've got, then you can get next week episode. 

And you can also send us your pictures of the things that aren't UFOs. Oh, the torrids. 

If you've got any shots of the torrids, yeah. 

Share your shots of the torrids, give us a boom. 

Yeah, oh, the boom, yeah. We didn't open up the boom box this week. We might do that next week as well. We'll be better next week, we promise. Thanks for taking the time to rewind. Join us next time for another week that was 20 years ago. 

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