Summer programming: best bits of 2005 vol 5

🧻 Wikitorial wipeout. The LA Times tried letting the public edit their editorials. What they got instead? Porn, profanity and chaos in 36 hours. A short-lived democracy, quickly replaced by Ctrl+Alt+Nope.

🦇 Batman begins again. Christopher Nolan ditches the bat-nipples and gives us trauma, ninjas and a Batmobile that could eat your SUV. Christian Bale growls, Katie Holmes dodges bats and superhero movies grow the hell up.

🧢 Ned Kelly gets heritage listed. Glenrowan, site of Ned Kelly’s final standoff, gets heritage status and an unofficial side hustle in car decals, mailbox toppers and calf tattoos that say “such is life.” Iconic outlaw, small-town merch king.

📻 Open up the boombox! We dissect the old addage, 'if it's not one thing, it's another!' as we air your boomer complaints.

🎮 Xbox 360 arrives. And so does Sid, the kid! Launch day chaos as the 360 sells out in hours. HD gaming, Xbox Live 2.0, achievements — and soon the dreaded Red Ring of Death. Microsoft’s win… with a billion-dollar asterisk. 

🧪 Two Aussies, one Nobel and a beaker of bacteria. On a snowy Stockholm night, Dr Robin Warren and Professor Barry Marshall rewrite medical history — and humiliate decades of gastro dogma — by winning the Nobel Prize for proving stomach ulcers are caused by bacteria, not stress or spicy food. Marshall seals the legend by drinking Helicobacter pylori like it’s a schooner at the pub, getting sick, then curing himself with antibiotics. It’s the most chaotic, iconic, unbelievably Australian science story ever told.

🐸 A Frog is born (and it feels good, man). November 2005 saw the debut of Matt Furie’s comic Boy’s Club — and with it, the birth of Pepe the Frog. Back then, he was just a chill stoner amphibian with bad aim and good vibes. Twenty years later, he’s meme history — proof that even frogs can’t escape the internet’s chaos.

🐥 Chicken Little takes flight. Disney went fully digital for the first time without Pixar and served up Chicken Little, starring Zach Braff as the sky-is-falling featherball. It made $315 million, confused adults, delighted kids, and marked the moment Disney said “we can animate on our own!” (spoiler: not quite yet).

📚 Outlander gets extra saucy. A Breath of Snow and Ashes drops, and readers drown in time-travel, romance, and kilted chaos. Critics beg for fewer butts, more plot. Claire and Jamie? Still can’t keep their hands off each other.

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Chapters

• 0:00 intro
• 0:21 show opener
• 4:09 Wikitorial wipeout
• 11:51 Batman Begins again
• 16:33 Ned Kelly gets heritage listed
• 25:28 open up the boombox
• 26:49 Xbox 360 arrives
• 29:17 Two Aussies, one Nobel and a beaker of bacteria
• 36:48 a frog is born
• 43:19 Chicken Little takes flight
• 45:32 Outlander gets extra saucy!
• 52:16 show closer

Transcript

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The year is 2005. Anakin turns to the Dark side, YouTube debuts, and we couch jump for Mariah Mcdreamy and a girl with the Dragon Tattoo t -, 20 rewind 20 years with Joe and Mel. 

5th day, January 2006. 

Hey. 

20 20. 

An ice breaker. Don't judge me yet. This is bananas. The Prolia will come home. 

My question is who approved? Do you see where this is going? Not really. 

I have similar questions about approvals, but I'm glad that you have approved to subscribe to our little podcast and you're joining us here on T -, 20 where we throw back to this time 20 years ago in history, of course, but not so much. So this week we're throwing back to a previous few weeks that we record, oh, I can't even do that. 

20 years ago ish. Not exactly 20 years ago. Maybe a little bit more 20. 

Correctly, yeah, that was good. 

Ish. That's right. 

003. 

Yes, and and once we get back out of summer programming, which will be next week, you can actually hit me, Bumble a, an intro that is perfectly relevant to this week in history 20 years ago. So that'll be fun. I'm Joe. That's Mel over there. That's got it all together. And yeah, we're we're on holidays for one more week and then T -. 20 comes back. 

Fabulous. Fabulous. Yes. 

Hmm. 

Full on for 2026 Slash 2006 next week. 

Yes. So kids are getting ready to go back to school. People are getting ready to go back to work. I think we'll find that everybody's gonna be circling back. Remember, a lot of people are gonna circle back in the New Year. There's gonna be lots of circling. 

Yeah. I think a lot of people, yes, I think a lot of people are are already back at work. I mean, you've been already back at work for a bit and stuff at the time of recording, of course. But yeah, I mean, you know, it's just one of those things where. 

Back going on in the next few weeks. 

I still don't really feel ready to face 2006 or 2026 for that matter, which is why we're doing more summer programme. 

But the good. News. The good news is if you. Still write 2025, you can easily. Turn that 5 into a six. 

Yeah, that's you just. 

So it's a good year. It's a good year for forgetfulness. 

Just. 

It's a bit janky, but it works anyway heaps of. Tough. Yeah, to look at in this episode. Indeed, the failure that was the wiki tutorial, getting a community to write. I mean, well, yeah, just a foretelling of why we can't have nice things. And if anyone's still on social media, reading comments or doing any of that sort of stuff, I think the wiki tutorial is like you're Ground Zero. 

Yes. Some best bits, yes. Ohh yes, so much promise. So much hope. It was a great idea in theory. 

Your exhibit A as to why we can't have nice things of why we shouldn't be doing that stuff, Batman. Again, yes, back in 2005. 

Ohh we had a good chat about Ned Kelly. Too. 

That's right, Speaking of vigilantes, master vigilantes didn't live in a cave, didn't dress up as a bat, but did, had a Vasudev armour made of tin. I don't know if it was tin. I think it was iron. I think bullets would go through tin anyway. There's that and we can talk about, you know, the longevity of people who have Ned Kelly stickers on their Utes and tattoos and whatnot. 

Most. Australia's relative. No. Steve. I don't know. 

Well, you'll find out more about that. We boomed. If it wasn't one thing, it was another Sid. The kid came and joined us. 

Ohh, these Xbox 360 facts dropping the knowledge. 

But yeah, yes, normally wouldn't work with kids and animals, but said the. 

Bombs. That was good. 

Kids pretty good. 

And we had our first meme. This is where memes first started with Pepe the frog. 

Ohh yes. Yes. Yeah. From humble beginnings to some fairly right wing endings, which was not so good for Pepe the frog. But if you didn't know about Pepe the frog, Mel has a lot of info to present with that. And I thought that was definitely worth revisiting. Chicken little got hit by Akon, and that was just because I can't pronounce acorn properly. But that was worth it. And then there's a books we didn't read. 

But his origin story. 

Yeah. 

Hmm. 

That I went back on and look, it was one of those things. It was one of those things, one of those late nights where we were recording and everything. One thing led to another. We all got a little bit carried away. 

And you got an accent. 

Yes. So for our last week of summer programming, that's it, go and enjoy it. This is a funny story in the news this week. I like this story. 

And it's a very ahead of its time. I feel like there's been a few things that have kind of stolen the idea labour in. 

And it's just and it is really. Why we can't have nice things. Yes. 

21st of June 2005, the LA Times has to suspend its experiment that was called Wiki Tutorial after just three days because of vandalism that might not be the best way to describe it. 

Ah yeah. 

Just. 

The Internet because of the Internet. 

Yeah. 

Yeah, because of because. 

Internet they had a big idea, big bold idea in June 2005. Take the newspapers daily editorial. Put it online. And here's the gig I let anyone on the Internet edit it Crowdsource the editorial. 

The crowd sourced it. Yeah, it's like we could pedia Wikipedia, but in editorial form. 

Mm-hmm. And look for about 36 hours. 

What can we call it? I've got a great idea. Let's. Call it wiki, toriel. 

With you torial for 36 hours. It was bold and it was the new frontier of reader engagements. 

Yeah. So the readers could debate and and revise and rewrite the editorial like on something like like the Iraq War. It's like it's it's it was like 1 giant Google Doc that everyone was collaborating on, right. 

Oh, welcome, Jerome. Ohh geez, was there a track? Changes was was there commenting. 

Phone. 

Yeah, I think I think their intentions were quite noble, really open dialogue, participatory journalism, democracy, yada yada, yada. Exactly. But you know what happened this way? We can't have nice things. 

Yeah, I think so too. 

Well, we're all citizen journalists now, really, and librarians. 

Total total dumpster fire. And it happened pretty quick too. It happened. It spread like fire very quickly. Within hours, overrun completely because Internet overrun by trolls, pranksters, people with really strong opinions. Zero chill. Nobody knows how to behave on there. 

Looking now it's. 

All the. 

So it develops into just this free for all of vandalism. Partisan flame wars, people going back and forth abusing each other, and then eventually. Me. 

Nudes send nudes. 

***********. Yeah, it's. Which is exactly what the Internet always spirals down into. It's you are only like, 5, four to five mouse clicks away from seeing a penis or vagina on the Internet in all its glory. Absolutely. 

Peaks. 

Yeah, it's like the the, the whatever degrees of Kevin Bassett, isn't it? 

Yeah. Well, yes, we do emphasis on the baking. 

It started out with petty edits and sarcasm, where with mocking rewrites like more is great. Let's have more of them. Not very helpful. 

As as I think you'll find, I think you'll find. No, of course not. But very Internet. 

Then you know the editorial, which was about the Iraq war, was meant to spark intelligent debate. Instead, it became a bit of a back and forth between pro and anti war users who constantly read. Wrote and then rewrote the article to basically reflect their side so they just kind of type over each. 

Other yeah. So they'll be like it'd be like, ohh, this is all a terrible mistake in one paragraph and be like the wars, a tragic mistake. And then the. Next one would be like but. Hoorah for the American Liberation if it's yeah. 

Was great, was wonderful, and then moderation broke down. So even the the, the moderators, the sensible people saying. 

Well, there's only. There's only so much. 

Come on, let's all. 

Which? 

Let's all do the right thing here. 

There's only so much tug of war and pushing and prodding you can do before somebody. Just goes, why don't you off? Off and that's exactly what happened. And then the. Profanity really took off. 

Lots of rants. Ohh conspiracy theories as well. We had a few of those popping up. 

Yeah, fake news. Fake news before fake news even was a fake news. 

Thing. Yeah. And then the final. The final nail in the experiments coffin the the nudes. **** **** graphic material so. 

Nudity. Yeah, that five mouse clicks away like I said. 

They had to. End the project pulling the whole thing offline. Calling it a moderation nightmare. 

On one Saturday night, people started flooding it with really horrible ***********. The The Newsroom lawyer at the LA Times said she she was a First Amendment absolutist. Her whole life, but having read this stuff, she came in Monday morning and said she's starting to have doubts. It. It was really awful and we had to give it up. But there are. People you know, the first first people to try things off and get it wrong and the others are are trying this experiment and. And and it's working. You know they. Have. Gates to keep people out and various things. And you know you have to encourage experimentation. If if we're going to find the way out of out of out of the the current mess that newspapers are in, I think you have to try everything. So we tried this and it didn't work. 

It certainly didn't. That was our LA Times editor, Michael Kingsley. 

Yeah, I love that he had. A sense of humour about it. 

Well, yeah, I think he's right. I think he, I think it is. But and by the end of the, it took a weekend. It was a weekend and then it was like I say we take off and nuke the entire site from all, but it's the only way to be sure. And so they did they they said it was a noble experiment, but the damage was done and the Internet had spoken and they were like, you trusted us with this. That's. 

Over to go gave. A red hot. 

Throw put on them. 

Yes. 

It did not work. And so it was a bit of a punchline. 

Hey. 

It was at the time, but looking back now, it really was the start of things like Wikipedia, and it was a great use case around. Well, you can do it, but you need to have some guard rails in place. You need to have a bit of governance, yes, people. 

Yeah. 

Need wools. And a bit of structure but. 

Moderation content moderation verification. People need to be limited in how much they participate. 

You can do it. You can do it, yes. Yeah, and and you. Have to give your name. You have to put your name to things so we know we. 

Yeah, that's right. 

Know who's posting it to. 

You can't have nice things. It was just. Well, yes. You need to know who's posting the ****. You need to make sure that they're official **** and that they've they've that they're **** that have been given up with consent to the the person that posted them has not only sought content, but that is posted those tips. 

Ohh once. 

They've validated tips. 

Within the moderation guideline, and if those tips are outside of the moderation guidelines, then those **** have no place on that forum. 

Yes, under Creative Commons Creative Commons. So what have we learned? We learned that moderation is crucial. So like, look at look at Wikipedia. There is comprehensive governance structures to. 

Yes. 

Manage content and behaviour. 

Yeah, but stuff still gets through. People still go on after events and. 

But not not in the same kind of ways, not as not as unhinged. Yes, yes. Understanding the dynamics of the platform. So understanding how collaborative platforms function and you need the community of engaged users. You need the people that are going to kind of do what's intended not. 

Well, it gets fixed. It gets fixed pretty quick, yeah. 

Hmm. 

Hijack not hijackers. 

The kids posters. Yeah, and. Clear editorial guidelines. So actually. Tell them what you want them to do in there. Establish that from the from the start. And foster constructive engagement. So ask questions, help people along the way. Give. 

Yeah. 

Yeah. 

Them some guidance. 

Yeah. Help them clean the mud off their digital footprint. Yeah. Like I've got very muddy digital footprints. And I got down into the mud and it's just, it's such a waste of time. Ah, huge movie release tops. The box office in the USA. 

Mr Wayne. What do you? How do you know? 

My name? The world. 

Hello. 

Is too small for someone like Bruce Wayne to. Disappear your parents. Death is not your fault. My parents deserve justice. I cannot live that mass. If you make yourself free. Then you become something else. Legend, a story. About the way you coming back for long. As long as it takes to show people Gotham their sitting as. To the crow. 

Bruce. 

Rachel. 

You've gone a long time. 

I know what chance does not them have when the good people do nothing. 

Things are worse than ever down here. 

No metal. Have a super advanced infantry. 

Utility harness gas powered magnetic grapple gun. 

You wouldn't be interested in. 

Well, the Tumblr, the big Batmobile, it was so great, Batman Begins. Christopher Nolan's reboot of the Batman franchise. What a film. Before all of the Batman voice. But you know, because he changes his voice. And if I was like what? The is he doing in this movie? Before the why? So serious all of that stuff that. Was Batman Begins? 

You discuss it on Reddit. 

I didn't know I was too scared of Reddit. That that's I I hadn't. I hadn't conquered my fear there. You know, I need to become something they fear. 

OK, I didn't have opinions on that. You just you just read it already. You still looking if it's steady? 

I need to become the knight. Yeah. No, I didn't. I read it. 

You liked that you liked this one. 

What? 

Yeah, I thought it was great. It just it was a really gritty Batman film. Christopher Nolan did an awesome job, and I think it's underrated in all those Batman movies because they all kind of live in the shadow of The Dark Knight with Heath Ledger turning in such a great performance. But I think Batman Begins in many ways was a bit. The movie. Hmm. I thought it was really good. 2005 game changer. This one, you know that we just got over Batman and Robin and had gone. Tim Burton kind of rebooted it and it was gritty. And then it kind of went camping again. Like, really camping with Batman and Robin. And then Christopher Nolan's done this, you know. And it was awesome. Because Batman was just on kind of life support and Nolan was hot property. He'd just done Memento, that film with Guy Pearce. 

And this one, this is one that had Katie. Holmes in it? Yeah. 

For that, for this particular film, she was replaced by Maggie Gyllenhaal in the second film, though yeah, it was then blown up by the Joker. Spoiler alert, but it was good. It was. You went really into his origins. Like the whole grief and the guilt and all of that sort of stuff. So it was cool. It was cool. 

Nice. 

And Christian Bio, didn't he have to put on a heap of white cause? I've done that. One where's where's? 

Yeah, because he just done the machinists. 

Yeah, where he. Lost all the weight. 

Yeah. Well, I think he ended up only weighing something like 40 kilos or something ridiculous. And then he got and then he got really big. He ate too many pies. 

That's not very healthy. 

Yo yo dieting, Christian. Yeah. 

And then they're like, dude, you bulked up way too much for this role. 

I think he did eat pies. Didn't they? Ask him. I'm pretty sure, he said. 

He bulked up a lot like he. 

Something about eating pies? 

Was. 

It's very unheld, not roots. 

He did a lot of weight training. He got very big. And that that. 

Not good for your glycemic index. 

Thing with the voice, you know, the voice, you know, he does the voice. He's like. Well, if I talk like this, people think I'm Bruce Wayne. But if I do it like this, they'll never tell the difference. And they'll think that I'm Batman. 

Hmm. 

They did that. It's kind of like Clark Kent's glasses, but in voice form. What did that? That was his idea. That was Christian Bale's idea, like Christopher Nolan's like. I reckon that's a really ****** idea. I don't think we should do that, but he insisted because he reckoned that Bruce needed to sound different when he put the cost to. I've got a costume on, so I sound different. Do you ever talk differently when you were? 

Great idea, Christian. 

Fabulous. 

It reminds me of. Clothes. No, but it reminds it reminds me of a tweet that this person posted. 

I mean. 

And there was. Someone new starting at their at their work. 

What kind of doing was it? 

The person, the person. Starting their at their works name was Wayne Bruce. And she gets introduced to Wayne Bruce. And she goes ohh. 

No way. 

It's my nemesis man bat and she goes and no one laughed. Seriously, I'm wasted here. And then someone commented. Not all capes wear heroes. 

Yeah. 

But. Let me take you to regional Victoria Regional Victoria to to the area of Wangaratta, the district around Wangaratta. Also I I have that on good authority let me take you to the school precinct of Glenn Rowan. 

Ohh please do. Love the Wang. Ah, yes, yes. No. Well. 

The the the little place outside of Wangaratta where Ned Kelly was. At some stage I think he died there. He got shot. He had a bit of a standoff with the coppers and stuff anyway, and and thus 1000 bumper stickers were born. Yes, that's where the that's the birth place of bumper stickers. No, it's so obviously everyone knows Ned Kelly in the history. And that's Glenn Rowland is where. 

Doing things did. Some things then. 

He met his demise. He's a Bush. Ohh yeah. OK. He's like Australia's. 

Is a Bush Ranger for our America. Our American friends might not know this, and our friends from Hess in Germany would definitely not be. 

Ohh yes, he's like Australia's Billy the Kid. 

Familiar with their Kelly. 

It's no stranger. 

And I don't know if they had bushrangers in Germany. 

No, I don't think so. No, no, no. 

No, it should be. Hans, the child. I don't know. Like. Yeah. So. So anyway, Glenn Rowland in Victoria on the 2nd of July 2005 was officially added to Australia's National Heritage List. Yes, yes. 

It's a precinct that Glenrowan Heritage Precinct and it encompasses. 

Yes, it's the little precincts in Victoria. Yes. So it's the it's. It's not just the. On it goes around the town as well does. 

Yes, it's surprising that the covers of key locations tied to the dramatic events of June 1880, when the the Kelly gang engaged in a siege. So this is what happened against police forces. So there were some notable sites within the precinct, including the original railway platform where the police train arrived during the siege. 

It not. 

Yes. Welcome to Glenn Rowland. 

1st Doctor Kelly gang. Yes, the site of Anne Jones's Glenrowan Inn, where the gang held hostages, and it was later burnt down by the police. 

That would have been devastating having a. 

And also the Kelly log, they preserved the Kelly log, which was the location where Ned Kelly was finally captured after being wounded. 

Small pub burned in. 

Philly long. 

Ohh, OK, good. OK also, you know, cause sometimes I'm sometimes after they when they after they. 

Different log, different log. 

You gotta you get a fright when the police. Are shooting at you? Yes. 

Hang you, you see? That's what I'm thinking, that's what. 

The sights offer tangible connect to. A pivotal moment in Australian history of writing. Insights to the. It's sort of. Shaped a national identity. 

Let's let's hear from Dave at the visit Wangaratta YouTube channel once more. 

That's. 

G'day everybody. Dave here and welcome to the next episode of Discover Wangaratta. Today we're in Glen Rowan and we're here to discover and explore the rich history this area has to offer. 

You guys, geez. 

Our first stop is a Ned Kelly. Discovery hub, the. Perfect place to begin your journey in Glenrowan. Here you'll uncover the story of the Kelly gang and the events that shape this historic. Down after exploring inside, head upstairs to the platform for stunning 360° views of the surrounding landscape, it's a great way to imagine where Ned once stood and plan your next stopping town. For me, that next stop is the iconic Kelly land. 

Ohh stunning. 

Imagine where Ned once stood the stunning views. 

If you go over to the YouTube the visit Wangaratta YouTube channel and find out what Kelly Land was actually like. 

As informative. Kelly Lander screams amusement park. Kelly lanes. 

Well, I I I think it does. I I don't think it's I imagine if it was like a really tacky amusement park and had like rides and stuff, you know, like some kind of neds neds crazy roller coaster you know, yeah. 

Oh yeah, that would be good. 

Yeah. 

I say it now, honey rods. 

Can you can you cosplay? You know, people walking around in just metal armour? 

Circle works. 

And be circle work. 

And the Kelly, well, the you, you can have a bumper sticker competition. I mean you just have to spin around in a little synchronised circle work thing and then show off their Ned Kelly such as life bumper. 

I love that it has a discovery hub as well, which has immersive exhibits. 

Or is that a discovery help cap mill? 

And the displays that delve into the complexity of the Kelly so. It's very complex and I think we've reflected. 

The most complex plus. 

I think we're downplaying, I think, the people of Glenn. Roll would be very. Upset with this little piece that we're doing. 

And we've said this before. No. Look, it's great we've said. This before too. It's just funny how everyone in. Australia was related. To Ned Kelly, you ask anyone, anyone on the street, they're they're haters. 

Yes. 

Yeah. 

Yeah, it's, it's my second, third cousin once removed. 

Yes. 

Moved brother, sisters, friend. 

We. My dad said, well, we're not related. We're related to the police that captured well, not the ones that captured him. I think it's like my great, great, great, great, great grandfather was a policeman who was friends with the with the Kelly family, his friends with Ned's mum. Yeah. So he didn't want to capture him. He was friends with them. 

This is you're going into a lot of detail here, you. 

Seem sort of neat. We're all related. 

You know a lot? Yeah. 

To Ned Kelly or the police. Were somehow a little connected. 

Right. Yeah, apparently I apparently I am too. Yeah, according to, but I don't even know. No, you. 

Know you did like a DNA test and you like 13% Ned Kelly. 

Yeah. And if if that's the case because we're married, like, is that legal? Is this leaked? I'm not sure I like. If somebody could come after us, I better start welding myself a metal suit. And so I can fend them off when they come to kick. 

Ohh dear, I don't know. I don't know. 

Our door in because it's like you're in a, you're in an illegal relationship because you're related to Ned telling both of you. 

Which explains a lot actually about the people that put all the bumper stickers. 

Who's? 

In the get the tattoos. 

This is the thing. It's turned into a movement. It's Kelly movement. It just it turns into merchandise. 

And then. 

Know there was. 

That stats that I told you about ages ago in an episode previous ohh. By the way, 200 episodes, I forgot to mention that at the start of the show. So you have the episodes just made me think about it. If you cast your mind but happy 200 episodes to us, we'll talk about at the end. 

Ohh, such is life great. 

Yeah, but yeah, if you cast your mind back to, I don't know, some episode that we did ages ago, there was an article that I. Brought forth to about. 

Ohh that if you had it such as life tattoo, you're gonna chances of dying were higher. 

Like. Like 25% higher? Yeah, something like that. Your chances of meeting a very untimely death were significantly higher. 

Dying of misadventure to misadventure. On the Kelly. Look. Yeah, well, it has. 

Yes. 

It has actually. 

Brought out a whole range of merchandise. You know you're in regional Australia when Ned Kelly's protecting your car is on your mailbox. 

Of course it has. The whole local economy, the local economy of Glenn Rowan, depends on it. Really. You've got a Ned Kelly toolbox. 

Keeping your tools safe. Yeah, there's such as life is obviously the bumper sticker that you see on the. Back of the car. 

Yeah, yeah. 

Cars, bumper bars, Ute tool boxes. 

Alright, gotcha. 

Tattooed on someone's calf, there's a whole range, though. There's a whole set. There's the. I drive like a Kelly outlaw style. 

Yeah, yeah. 

Ohh really? 

That's often seen on nukes that like circle work. 

Yeah, well, yeah, you might as well just. Say pull me over. 

Bush Ranger built Kelly Tough, which is a parody of the forward built. Tough slogan so. Often often on a Ford Ranger and and sometimes paired with an image of his armour, you can see his armour incorporated. 

Hmm. 

Into the stickers. 

It didn't end up being well. I mean, it was tough to a degree. 

Ned was framed. Ohh, really live like a Kelly, die like a legend. These are the bumper stickers, this car. 

Yeah, this series this is not gonna last very long. I definitely don't want that person driving behind me. Everyone's got a bumper. I wanna be reading that bumper sticker as they're going well past me and far off into the distance. 

This power is. This car is protected by Ned Kelly's securities. 

Well, see, now that I don't, I don't. 

Lots of deckles of the helmet, the bucket helmet, metal cut, outs of Med for mailbox toppers or on fences. 

Oh yeah. They do look good on the old mailbox or on the fence. They're the old corrugated iron. Ned Kelly cut out. Yeah, like the pro. That pro heart style. Ned Kelly. 

It's silly. Yep. Stubby holders. Yeah. And then tattoo, tattoo, flash sheets. I think, too. He's he really influenced the the hipster movement of about. Five or six years ago, the beard, no the beards. The beards are very bushranger have moved into the mainstream. You see a lot of bushranger beards these days. Umm, feel like that was influenced by Ned. 

Or the frilly moustache, the beads the Bush Ranger beads? Yeah. You do. You do see a lot of. He I think Ned had a had a hand in that. Mm-hmm. Absolutely. The bushranger beard. And I think, like you said, I think he had a hand in lots and lots of garden. 

Hmm. 

Ornaments as well they. 

This one, this one down near the lake. 

Were they they? 

Yeah. 

Have you seen that one? 

A little Ned Kelly garden ornament is is it? What is it is? 

Yeah. Have you seen that one? 

It like a. Wind chime or has it got a? 

You know where the rocks of the world are. 

Yeah. Ohh yeah, no. 

It's just staked in the ground. 

Across the road from there, yeah, it's just. 

I think it's I. Think it might. 

Be a scarecrow because it's near some planter boxes that they grow zucchinis and pumpkin on the side of the footpath. It's not even in their their yard, but there's Ned Kelly watching over them. 

Really. So it's two things. It's a garden ornament and it's protected by Ned Kelly. Security then corrected. 

Are you ready for a boom carer of Giselle? 

Absolutely. Ohh Giselle's got a. Boom. Yes, right. Yeah. 

Not gonna lie when I was younger, I always thought adults were being dramatic when they said if it's not one thing, it's another. But now as an adult, I can confirm without hesitation that if it's not one thing, it's another. 

Oh my. 

That's me. That's me. When I open up the letterbox and there's mail in there. Like what now? What the? And you get an email? 

There's no onesie. It's absolutely yeah. Yeah, every time I send you an SMS. 

There's another and another one. 

That was a real reaction, man. That was too real. 

It's not one thing, it's. And if I don't reply in time, then I'll get another. Message or then. You react to a message that I sent you 4 weeks ago or get a couple of little dots appearing like wow. 

Yeah, well, I look at it. 

Yeah, well, I look at it or like if it's not one thing, I'll send four other. Messages. I still don't get a ******* reply. So there you go. 

I'm very busy, very busy. Person if it's not one thing, it's another. I'm doing one thing and. Another I'm too busy to answer your messages. 

Safe space, but I've just counted boom to boom and we're all. But all booms are good booms, OK? 

They will just disappear out into the open. 

And you know why? Because if it's not one thing, it's another. We're going to talk about the Xbox 360. 

Hmm. 

We need to have an expert come in. 

From Xbox expert. 

Sid the kid. Bring in Sid the kid. Hello, Sid. 

Hey guys. I heard you're talking about Xbox 360. 

How well, how did you? I hear that the walls have ears around here, don't they? 

Well, I knew it came out on November 22nd. 

OK, don't careful. Don't don't go too early. Don't peak too early. That's right. So we've got 5 Xbox Fax as delivered by Sid, the Kid's fax number one. OK. 

Use all your facts straight. 

Away. No. So, no, I'm not gonna. 

Fact NUM. 

1. Xbox 360 was one of the most anticipated Microsoft launches in history. 

Yes, it was correct. 

In 2006, the Xbox Three 60s that were launched in 2005 had a major defect called the Red Ring of. Death. Yes, bring that music again. Bring them. 

Ohh my goodness, the red ring of death. So that's two down. That's fact one and. Two, what's fact 3? 

One of the most best games that was released on the system was Gears of War. Because of how Polly it was and how good the HD graphics were, everyone loved it. 

Yes. Ohh, good. OK. Well that's excellent. 

Good. 

Not that. 

Facts there were two more revisions of the Xbox 360 that came out in 2009 and 2012. The first one was the Xbox 360 Slim that came out in 2009, and then there was the Xbox 360, IE. 

It's what are we up to 4 fact #4. 

Which came out in 20. These were both not affected by the red ring of death. Thank God. 

Thank goodness. Is that was that 5 or was that 44? OK, what's fact 5? 

The Xbox 360 was discontinued in 2016, but remains the best sold Xbox console. 

Amazing. OK, all of those are great. One more bonus. Can you give me one? More bonus fact. 

Yeah. The third Halo was supposed to be the final Halo, but then Halo 4 came out. 

Awesome man of applause. Thank you very much, Sir. Kids. 

You're very welcome, mate. If you're gonna talk about the weed next year. 

Alright, well. 

I can do that too. 

Ohh, OK. Sure. We'll we'll call you up when we need to talk about wees. Thank you very much, mate. Off to. 

Bed now end of December 2005. Yeah, a big moment for Australia, yes. 

Australia, such a great story for Australia. 

Two Australians walk onto the Nobel stage. 

Uh-huh. 

And rewrite the story of modern medicine. 

Do they what? Ohh, this is such a good story. 

Doctor Robin Warren, a quiet. 

Yes. 

Quite. 

Meticulous pathologist from Perth, yes, and Professor Barry Marshall, a fiery young clinician together. 

Yes. 

They proved something the medical world refused to believe they they proved that stomach ulcers are actually caused by bacteria, not stress, not spicy food, not type a personalities. 

Yes. Ohh, of course it's like don't worry so much, you'll give yourself an ulcer. And that's not true. And in 2005 we find out that's not true and all of a sudden you can't walk around and say to. Don't worry so much, you'll give yourself a might have been a bit before 2005 because that's when they win. 

The award. But you know what I mean? Yes, it all started in the late 70s, actually. 

If you have too many of those bloody Rogan Josh curries, you'll give yourself an ulcer. 

Warren kept spotting strange, spiral shaped bacteria in biopsies from patients. Everyone else ignores it except for Marshall, who looks at the. Findings. And he's. Like mate, what if this is the whole thing? They propose the idea to the medical establishment, the establishment? No, absolutely not. 

Yes. 

They're like die. That's both absolutely not. My God, I absolutely. That's got nothing to do with anything. Those little spiral bacterias. 

I called the. No. Yeah, nothing to do with the elses. 

There's a figment of your imagination. They gaslit them back out the door, but like, get out of here. 

They spent the 80s and 90s fighting the establishment. Doctors don't believe them. Journals roll their eyes. The whole gastro community just now go away. Yeah, sit down. You're wrong. 

Exactly. Go home Australian scientists. You're drunk. 

So Marshall decides to prove his points. 

He's like, I'll give you drunk. Yes, Barry. Barry's like. Yeah, I'll show them. And he this is such a mad scientist thing to do. This is. 

Hmm. 

Like like. And The thing is, is like they've been. Doing research now. For nearly almost 20 years, and so it's wearing them down a little bit. You know, they've been going up against him this whole time. He's like, if you've got to get something done, you, you do it yourself. And so he drinks a beaker. 

Yes, starting late 70s. Now it's listening. 

Of Helicobacter pylori and then. 

He gets sick. His. 

Stomach inflames. He has early onset stomach ulcers, symptoms nausea, and then he takes some antibiotics. Hmm. And he's cured. It's a miracle. Exactly. And it becomes this big. I told you so, and it's nothing. It's. So good for an Australian to be. And it's like, it's like a King G commercial, you know, it's just like, mate, I run this place. I don't want accidents. Don't batch at me. I know boats. You know this. So it's just, yeah, it's it's just the biggest. I told you so most at the moment. And it's just great for an Australian to be delivering. And I told you so. Moment to the medical fraternity. 

Hmm. 

Thanks. 

Before this revelation, before the drinking of the bacteria. Millions of people suffered from ulcers and treatment basically went like years of antacids. Bit of my lanta quickies. I I don't mind the quickies flavour of them. 

The bacteria eye. Some Tums have some Tums. Take a quick keys. Oh, when I was a kid, I was a little bit jealous of parents being able to have the quickies cause they're having like lightsabers, lollies. I wish they do like maybe a a fruit tin. 

I just believe that. 

I like the chewy ones. I like the chewy cricket, not. 

The. 

Brighty ones. 

Flavoured quick eggs or like a life savers thirst flavoured quickies. 

That, yes, that'll be good for us. 

Yeah, but no, no. 

Yes, he is of antacids. My dad had one. It was like a white Milky 1, you know? No, it wasn't my land. It was called something else. And it was. No, it wasn't one. It was. It was a prescription one. It was like a. It was like a heavy duty one. Yeah. Yeah. I can't remember what it was. 

My lanta. 

The gaviscon. 

This is worth a whole bunch of products. Ohh really? 

Wow. 

Jason. 

Well, I had a funny name. 

That'd be that. 

The prescription medication to get addicted to would. 

It's just very yes. But not just the antacids, but also those high risk surgeries. Diets were a thing. You can't eat this. You can't eat that lots of pain. 

Yes, dieting. Spicy food. That's right, yeah. Marshall, Margo. No, it's bacteria. Just have some antibiotics. You're sort. 

Yeah, you'll be right, mate. No probs. 

Of yeah, easy, yeah. Call me and take two of them and call me in the morning. 

And it it saved thousands of lives and it stopped a lot of surgeries needing to happen. But I I think big. Pharma was a bit ******. 

The Big pharma comma, especially the people that in the at the end asset business just went ohh man we need this they they're like look at this guy they've they've stalled that these guys have been going since the 70s and we've kept it quiet for a while and we've pushed him too far. He's drunk himself and he's cured it. 

Especially ankasha. Community. We need to pivot. 

And now he's told the world we are. They're they're done. They're, you know. And so he, he's the Doctor Who drank bacteria, the global science media like this is the final nail in the coffin for any urban myths about stomach ulcers and the medical institutions have had to go. Ohh yeah, I guess. 

No. 

Hmm. 

Yeah, we told them to rack off years ago. 

We probably shouldn't have told you to. 

After all that. 

Sorry, how bad and and the Nobel judges are like, these guys are definitely gonna win because look at how courageous and stubborn and crazy that refusal to accept bad science. But we'll do bad experiments and as a consequence, he Barry even says it's a bad idea. He said that in the grab that we played at the start. 

Whoops. 

But he also said this, which is hilarious. 

A lot of. 

People in the field thought it was a good experiment and went ahead and did it themselves. Not all as successful as myself, because I did have an infection only for two weeks, but I know a colleague from New Zealand he had it for three years. He could not get. Rid of the bacteria. 

Three years. Ohh, Barry, what have you started? 

But did you see that it's like. 

All these copycat scientists who are like. 

Yes. 

Finally, getting to indulge there. Doctor Jekyll, Mr Hyde, mad scientist fantasy where they can drink. They can drink the serum and become the monster and then cure themselves. They get the antidote and cure themselves of. 

Yeah, Barry did. 

It. 

Three years. Jeez. You'd be pisssed off, Miss Barry. 

The monster it's. Like something out of a classic novel. 

So 20 years on, the breakthrough still stands as one of the most important medical discoveries of the. The 20th century and. 

Yeah. 

Ulcer related deaths plummet worldwide, which is fabulous. It's fabulous, but it's also one of those Australian legacies it's, you know. 

Dude. 

It's just that legend status. He gets legend status because he's like, oh, I've got no one to experiment on. It's gonna. And the reason why he had to do it himself is because otherwise they gotta wait for they gotta do it. They gotta go and get volunteers. They gotta screen people that he's like, and he's just going off it. We gotta do it myself. 

Yes. Exactly. Great for Australian too. 

It's just the Australian way. 

Let's go over there with that. Guy drank the the bacteria. Let's go over to Australia. Those guys are crazy. 

Yeah. Yeah. 

Put us on the map along with the Wi-Fi and the. Black box and the the. The ear implants. Yes. Yes, the boy. You drink the bacteria. Alright. Mean time then? November 2005 is when we have the birth of 1 Pepe the frog. 

The the cochlear implant, yes, and the and the bloke who drank the bacteria and cured it with antibiotic. OK. 

I don't remember this at the time and I said Pepe the frog out loud and I was like, I wonder what peppy looks like. Yeah. And then our son just went fossicking in my what do you mean game and found peppy straight away? I was. 

And. A picture of him. 

Like. Ohh, that's peppy. Yeah. 

Yes. 

In his infancy, Peppy was basically depicted as a Stoner saying the phrase. Feels good, man. He then became a popular Internet meme, even shared by celebrities. According to CNN, Pepe the frog was one of the biggest memes on Tumblr in 20. 15 but like some kids do when they. Grow up, Pepe. Fell in with the wrong crowd. Commenters on bigoted, racist and anti Semitic threads in online forums like 4 Chan 8 Chan and Reddit transformed Pepe. He went from teenage Stoner frog to various symbols of hate, including Hitler and the Ku Klux Klan. Member but not all Pepe memes are hateful, the ADL said. It's important to examine use of the meme only in context for Newseum Lauren Stephenson. 

Thank you, Lauren. And what a lovely new sting you have at the end. Of your little. Segment that was so good. Yeah, so I mean. 

Alright. 

Things ended badly for Pepe, but in 2005 things were still quite innocent for flipping the frog. 

Well, that's no. Well, that's when he started. So he was. He was designed by a cartoonist called Matt Fury. And he was a frog. But he had a person's body, frog head on persons body. And he originated in the web comic called Boys Club in the 1st edition, which came out in November 2000 and. 

Yes. Yes. That's right. Yes. In November 2005, yes. So still very innocent. 

Pause. 

Well, he kind of. I mean, he he was a. A frog with a human body wearing a blue. Shirt and he's in the 1st edition and he was actually doing a wee. He was doing a wee. He had his. He still had his pants and they were just pulled down and he was doing a week and one of his roommates was like cause he left the door open while he was doing away. And one of his friends says to him. 

Those are Stoner. Ohh yeah. 

Hmm. 

Why did you keep your pants on and just lower them while you're doing your way? 

Yes. 

Probably didn't use that many words. Probably just said. What are you doing? But you know, I had to take picture and peppy just that's when Peppy turned around was like feels good, man. And so then, you know, Stone a frog who just would, you know, casually doing away with his pants. 

Yeah. Yeah. Yes. On yes, and that's that's all fine. Perfectly innocent. Just a frog taking a ****. Yeah, but then. 

Yeah. 

No problem. 

As you do. 

Then you know 2008 to 2010, we've got Myspace, we've got 4. We've got Reddit, we've got all those really skip if you're not savvy. If you're not savvy on the Internet, if you don't get memes. 

Hmm. 

You don't wanna be. Hanging around those places cause they're gonna eat you alive. Mm-hmm. Yes. And. And. And that's where Peppy fell in with the wrong crowd. Like they said in the in. 

Yes. The story? Yeah. So they they turned him into. There was sad. Peppy, smug, peppy, angry, peppy and then it became it. Like obviously really popular, and still nothing too bad. But we get to 2015 and he's one of the most popular memes on 4 Chan and Tumblr. 

Yeah. 

And then things. Get, uh, a little bit dicey. So then he becomes associated with the alt right movements and some of the variations of the peppy meme aligned with Nazis, Klu Klux Klan, white supremacist. So yeah, not. So great for, for peppy and I. Think he was also linked to? Trump's campaign in 2016, somehow. 

Yeah. Do you know what that was like? Ohh. We've been dealing with Trump since 2016. 

Yeah, I was like. Huh. Ohh wow. 

That's depressing. 

I believe it's been. Yes, 2016. Yeah, yeah. And he was even classified. So he got an official classification as a hate symbol by the anti defamation. 

That's that's when it all kind of came crashing down. Yeah, the the ADL were the ones that were like. But they do say that context means everything but. 

League the ADL? Ohh. Peppy. 

I think they had. You know, how they have free comic. Book. Day. So the guy that invented him, fury he, he, he he came out on in 2017 on free comic book day and he's like that he's dead. He killed him off. He's peppy, he's dead. He's he cannot and and and because because of the fact that he was being used as a hate. 

Siri. We can't have. We can't. 

And so I've created this character. 

Have nice things and an innocent frog taking a **** and. 

Yeah. And you've and you've taken him and you've turned him into. 

Look what you've done. Look what you've done. You've taken the ****. 

You've turned him into a war criminal, yes. Effectively, you've turned him into Hitler, which is just, I mean, he's. 

Please. Just doing away? Yeah, being chill. With his pants on. 

And it's it, it is. It is the blueprint for why we as a society can't have nice things because there is always going to be some kind of fringe dwelling, whether it be left or right, doesn't matter movement that is going to take something nice and wholesome that a lot of people. 

Exactly. 

Love and enjoy and just work with it and ruin it for everyone. And then we can't have. And then it's gone. It's over. 

If you are interested in peppy, though, there was the documentary came out five years ago called Feels Good Man, and it actually went into the detail of his creation, his mummification, and the fight to actually save his character, and it reframed it in into a case study. 

Yeah. 

And how Internet culture can spiral beyond the creators control because he did obviously lose control of this. Art. He's almost he's almost like. 

Ah, the Jesus Christ of the mean world. Like, you know, he's, like, loved by everyone. And it was like the philosophy behind it that feels good, man. It was all OK. It was all great. And then somewhere, somehow, everything got lost in communication and they killed. Him. 

Hmm. 

But even after that came out, I think a lot of online communities particularly. Artists and Meme fans worked to reclaim his wholesome roots. They wanted him back in in wholesome. 

Peppy. 

I mean, you know. It's too late. As soon as you Chuck a. Schwartz sticker or something? 

There's no coming back. 

Hold on. I mean Volkswagen. 

Number one at the US box office, a little animated film by the name. Of chicken little. 

He saw the signs. He tried to warn us. Now you know donkeys tower. Save us all. He's got a class. 

Run. 

The sky is falling. 

When it comes to saving the world. It helps to be a little chicken. 

I loved this movie I, but I only I like. I love the chicken little story. Even as a kid, I love the story with the Akon and the acorn, not Akon, not like. 

Acorn, like the complete opposite of the dad that calls Acorn Acorn and you've called an acorn acorn. 

Mr lonely. 

Yes. Yeah. 

Yes, love this full circles. 

So there's a chicken. There's a chicken just sitting out in the field and under a tree, and acorn fell on his head and started seeing Mr an Acorn. It's the sky is falling on my head and. 

Ohh. 

It just it's just. 

That story. 

Is so transcendent of just is that the word I'm looking for? I don't even know. I called the acorn Akon it. That's that I've. I've lost my. Mind that story is just so it's one of the most relevant fairy tales of all time because you know this thing happens. 

Yes. 

And. 

And this person is hysterical and the groundswell of hysteria picks up and they throw it, and they share their truth and. And then everyone's like, well, it must be the truth. And it's like nobody's, like, maybe that's fake news. You know, it's just like, yeah, nobody fact cheques, chicken little. And as a consequence, without that fact checking and chicken. 

And and that's their truth. And they share their truth with everybody. And everyone comes along for the ride. 

Yes. 

No, no. 

It'll just manages to create an international incident pretty much just from one little icon. See, I did it again. Why can I not say acorn? Let's raise the bar and read something. 

Yes, well, no. Didn't read it #1 on the New York. 

Rates and getting the simulator jure. 

No, it's a. 

Book we didn't read, but. We read the reviews. 

Times. Bestseller, it's called a a breath of snow and ashes. 

Hmm. 

I believe it's part of what's that show. I think your mum watches it, Outlander. 

Oh, oh, that one. It's like a time travel show or something, isn't it? Doesn't somebody get transported back in time? So. 

Alan. Alan, is that? 20 and then. 18th century or something is that that was that. Is it the same 1? I don't know. I think it's kind of related. 

Yeah. Like. Ohh, maybe it is. Is it like a sequel to Outlander? 

It's it's Outlander series. Maybe I'm thinking of Highland. 

Thought, you know, I didn't read the book, Highlander. Oh, that was great. That book was Christopher Lambert. And showing kind of their their sensation you're feeling. It's the quickening. Yeah. And there could only be 1 and you'd have to cut their heads off. There's like that dude. Kergan was tracing like Christopher Lambert. 

What was highland? That was a movie, wasn't it? 

I don't. Know. 

Around he's like. 

Ohh OK, I don't know. If no, there's. I don't know if this is. 

Christopher Lambert and. 

Related. 

Sean Connery. 

Anyway, maybe you could do this synopsis and we'll find out. 

What it what it's got to do? 

OK, So what did you say? 

Yeah. 

Street smart? That sounds very Scottish to me. The year is 1772 and on the eve of the American Revolution, the long fees of rebellion has already been lit. I'm going to. 

Die if I. Keep. 

Are you getting a bit light headed? 

Men lie. Dead in the streets of Boston and in the backwoods of North Carolina, isolated cabins burned in the. Forests with Chaos Brewing, the governor calls upon Jamie Fraser to unite the back country and safeguard the colony for King and crown. But from his wife, Jamie knows that three years hence, since the shot heard around the world will be fired and the result will be independent, I'm not sure. That made any sense, but I tried really. Hard with those loyal to the king, the dead or in exile. And there is also the matter of the tiny clipping from the Wilmington Gazette dated 1776, which reports Jamies death along with his skin. For once, he hopes his time travelling. Family may be wrong about the future. Boots man. 

Do you need to take a little break? 

We'll rest. That's good. Replace my electrolytes people. Need some black pudding now? 

Very good. Let's find out what. Thought Rachel FM one star. 

Rachel from hello and welcome to Rachel FM with our special guest, Jennifer Aniston. No. 

I think at. This point we can all acknowledge the physical hotness, distinctiveness and prowess of the main character. 

He's got a very sexy voice too. 

Really satisfied without more of the same adjectives every time they show. Are they even satisfied every time they ****? 

They have adjectives every time they ****, or they they just want to do some similes. 

Yeah, apparently. What's the adjectives? 

Where do we go out the back? 

And shake out me splattering adjectives describing words not like or as no describing. 

There's. 

Words. I don't think I have many ways to. Articulate how to describe a ****. 

Ludmilla over the cover, David. One star. There are million and one mentions of buttocks and breasts, and that's a teensy. 

Bit much for me. What's wrong with you? Don't you like buttocks and brace? 

No, I don't thank you very much. They're a little bit unshaven over there in Scotland. 

Now I'm seeing. Yeah, it's not working. Really. Yeah. Good. 

And one star, when I left the characters yesterday, Claire and Jamie had just finished a conversation about John Grey's gayness. 

Hmm. 

And whether Claire should fix Higgins's haemorrhoids. 

OHS and Claire fix Higgins's haemorrhoids. 

Then Clare performed surgery on said haemorrhoids while discussing the virtues of fibrin ones. This is not what I want from my romance novels. Those in all caps that bits. 

Yes, I got that. 

Yes, you should have. This is not what I want from my romance novels. 

More Moreen one star. 

Maureen, one star. If I had to sum it up, Game of Thrones in a kilt. 

There was lots of discussion and lots of one star reviews. People were very upset because there was a lot of sex, a lot of ********. As, as we alluded to. One of those reviews there. 

Really. Yes, yes. 

So I found. A fairly sexual passage, and I'm hoping that maybe you could read it authentically in your kilt. 

Really. 

Audio book. Yes, the narrator. 

I suppose you could dress my own. Are you ready? Yes. OK. Yes, just. No. I was actually trying to rank. I love you. I like you. I worship you. I have to have my inside you in terms of relative sincerity. Did I say that? He said, sounding slightly startled. Yes. Weren't you listening? No, he admitted I meant. Every word of. It though his hand cupped 1 buttock, weighing it appreciatively, still do come to that. What even the last one laughed and rubbed my forehead gently against his chest, feeling his jaw rests snugly on top of my head. Oh, I, he said, gathering me firmly against him with a sigh. I will say the flesh requires a bit of supper and we rest before I think of doing it again, but the spirit is always willing. God ye have the sweetest fat wee bum. Only seeing it makes me want to give it ye again directly. Is lucky you're went to it. The Crappit old man says knock or you'd be on your knees with your arms in the air this minute. 

Wow. So spicy with that accent. 

I don't know. We went spot on the chair. Clean up on aisle 3. 

OK. That was our very last summer programming last best bits of 2005. Next week we are getting into 2006. Yeah, I don't know what's happening yet, so I haven't. 

For this year, yes. 

Done the research, hopefully. 

We'll figure it out. 

Hopefully Daniel's back from his holiday as well, so we can have a new intro. 

Oh gosh. Yes, otherwise you'll end up with the. Holding Daniel yes. 

Yes. 

Nobody wants a holding Daniel. We just want a real Daniel. Anyway, we'll see how we go with all of that stuff. You can come and find us on the socials, in the lead up to it. We'll probably do some things and be fidgeting around there. If you've got a boom, you could send one of those in, for example, voice messages and stuff. Maybe we could load a few booms into the cannon before we actually start. That would be awesome. Otherwise, just sit idly by and wait until next week when we break into 2006. 

Yes, please do. 

On T -, 20. 

Catch you then. 

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