When Nelly Furtado got promiscuous

Rewind to 4–10 June 2006…

💃 New era, who dis?
Nelly Furtado drops Loose and flips her entire brand overnight. Gone is the floaty ‘I’m Like a Bird’ era, in comes full Timbaland-produced main pop girl energy. It’s wall-to-wall hits and suddenly she owns the clubs, the charts and your iPod. 

🚓 Small town, big feelings
After 12 years, Blue Heelers signs off and a nation quietly spirals. Mount Thomas felt like home, the characters felt like neighbours and we’re still not over Maggie Doyle. The finale marks the end of ‘everyone watching the same thing at the same time’ Aussie TV energy.

☄️ The sky literally goes boom
Somewhere in Arctic-adjacent Norway, a meteor explodes mid-air like a surprise jump scare from space. Windows shake, people wake up convinced it’s the end times and scientists later confirm: yep, just a casual airburst. No crater, no damage - just a reminder the universe can absolutely humble us at any moment. 

🧱 This could’ve been an email
In Bristol, a suspected WWII bomb shuts down the city centre… only to be revealed as a chunky bit of concrete. Full evacuation, bomb squad, peak chaos — all for what is essentially aggressive pavement. To be fair, the UK doesn’t mess around with bomb scares… but still. 

💔 Rom-com but make it… uncomfortable
The Break-Up hits #1 and tricks everyone into thinking it’s a cute love story. Instead? A painfully real look at a couple who break up but refuse to move out. Passive aggression, petty fights and one iconic lemon rant later, audiences are like… wow, that hit a bit too close to home.

📸 Reality TV but with zero HR
The Janice Dickinson Modeling Agency premieres and immediately chooses chaos. Janice is yelling, models are crying and the line between tough love and are we okay with this? is… blurry. Peak 2000s reality TV where being unhinged wasn’t a bug, it was the format.

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The year is 2006. We head to the hills and learn reality is scripted. Your Sony Cyber Shot uploads 462 blurry regrets. A Facebook poke makes everything complicated. And Twitter's like, cool story, you've got 140 characters. Go. T-minus 20. Rewind 20 years with Joe and Mel. 

Weekman from June 2006. 

T-minus 20. I'm being a sexy ***. I want to forgive you. T-minus 20. 

I hate this long decent relationship. 

And I want to forget you. You have no style or succession. This is a beauty. This is very nice. Yeah, boys. 

Konnichiwa, friends. This is T-minus 20, the podcast that rewinds to the exact same week 20 years ago, unpacking the biggest stories in news, pop culture, music, movies, and the random moments that you forgot, or at least tried to, with your hosts Joe and Mel. Hello, Mel. 

Hello. If it made headlines, if it hit the charts, or if it traumatized a generation, we're going to talk about it. And the 4th to the 10th of June is what we're talking this week. Here's what's going down. 

I think it's amazing that they put the word promiscuous so craftily into a song like that. 

A new Nelly era unlocked. 

This week when he is there. It's all Timberland Beats, not Timberland Boots. 

In most towns and cities in Great Britain, men and women have come to know the meaning of aerial bombardment. 

That's right, aerial bombardment. We're not talking about just a casual crop dusting around the office where you mess with your co-workers and colleagues. We're talking actual bombs from World War II being discovered in England. They pop up all the time and they certainly did this week 20 years ago. Oh yeah. Yeah, you know what that is? 

I remember that twang. 

Maybe you don't. But anyway, it's the end of a television year for Australia. Sad, sad moment. Yes, if you, one of our international visitors, or maybe six of you, you're like, what the hell is that show? Well, we'll tell you about that show and what you might have been missing a bit later on. And look, I don't know, I'm just feeling it in my waters today. I just feel like, I feel like having a bit of a whinge. And in order to have a bit of a whinge correctly, I think we should just do this. The first thing I want to whinge about is that that's a really elaborate piece of production and we don't use it very often. So I feel like sometimes we don't use it enough given the amount of effort we put into it. So it's time to open up the boom box. It's time to open up the boom box with a little bit of an early boom there. 

What's the boom box, Joe? Can you explain? 

Well, thanks, Mel. I'm glad you asked. This is your safe space. This is your safe space to have a whinge. And when I say have a whinge, it's usually a whinge that sort of happens at around that Generation X boomer kind of level that I think is perfectly justified and absolutely validated right here, right now on the podcast that we call T-minus 20. So all you need to do is if you've got a complaint and you are worried about somebody saying, okay, boomer, and giving you a bit of side eye, you can cast that worry aside and send your boom to us. And we'll recite it out as part of the podcast and we'll affirm you. That's what we'll do. We'll affirm you with a boom. And that's what that's all about. You can come over to see us on the socials, search for T-minus 20 podcast, slide into our DMs, a boom, you can write a boom, you can use a quick voice message for a boom. I think you only get it like a minute or something. Then we'll play. You can boom about how long it takes to do a message and how difficult. 

It is to record your voice. Exactly. 

All of those things. You can do all of those things over there on the socials. Mel, have we got a boom this week? 

I do, but my lock screen just locked. Now I've got to unlock it. 

Oh, bloody lock screens. 

Recognises me. Can I just say like the facial recognition? Never recognises me if I'm eating or if I've put my fringe in a different way. 

Doesn't recognise you when you're eating. 

Yeah, I thought it would because I'm often eating. That's a standard face for me. 

Like if you're just hideous when you're eating, you couldn't understand why you couldn't get a second date. I mean, that's not the case with you. don't look hideous when you're eating. 

Don't I? 

Maybe you look different. I'm not sure. 

I do bother you when I get stuck in it though. 

I mean, if you were ever like in a situation where suddenly you're a fugitive and you're wanted by the law, you know, some agents were following you without a Snickers bar or some chewing gum or something, maybe like, where did she go? Exactly, with her magic invisible chewing gum. Something like that. What's a boomer? 

Cello Buster. 

Cello Buster. 

Cello Buster. 

Wow. 

Whoever invented open in-app links that redirect you to the App Store instead of actually opening the app even when you already have the app installed on your phone should be involuntarily turned into a beanbag chair. 

I don't know about turning somebody into a beanbag chair. I feel like that's a bit extreme, Chello. 

What about an inflatable chair? That's very... 

T-minus 20 and it's and it's and it's sponsors and associates do not advocate for turning anybody into a bean bag because that's a fairly, you know, serial killer style thing. But up until that, it's still a safe space until you threaten to skin people alive and turn them into a chair. But thanks for your boom all the same. Once again. 

I hate that too. I hate, you don't actually remember the skinning people alive. 

No, either. 

Yes, the clicking back to the boom, yes. Taking you to the app store. That is very, very silly. 

It is. It's really annoying. 

But clicking on any link these days is just fraught with danger. And I'm too scared. Remember how the school thing got hacked across the globe? 

Canvas. 

We get an email from the school, ReCanvas Hack, through Canvas, telling me to click on a link to go to Canvas to read about the Canvas hack. Don't do it. So I didn't know what to do about the hack because I wasn't going to click the link because I'm like, what if this is the scam because of the hack? 

So now you're off the grid. 

Because of course I'm going to want to know what happened and I'm like, I'm not going to fall for that. So I don't know. what the outcome is. I haven't clicked on any links lately. 

Is our son still in school? Do we even know? 

I don't know. 

While we're on the subject as well, I never thought being a parent, when you actually send your child to school, I was not prepared in any way, shape, or form. Not so much for all of the jobs, for all of the f**king emails. 

And then the parents group chats. 

Oh, the WhatsApp parents group. I can't keep up. 

What day's sports day this week? 

I can't keep up. 

Has anyone seen Little Johnny's jumper? He lost it in PE. Did someone accidentally bring it home? Where's the excursion to next week? 

It's just, it's... 

Well, no one wants to read Canvas, so nobody knows what's going on. So then I've got to go on the WhatsApp group and ask everybody. 

Battlefield peppered with a crater full of booms. 

That's good. We're ready? Yeah, let's get into it. 

Oh, nothing like the sweet, soothing sounds of that. It's brought us all back to reality. We boomed too early. No, I feel better. No, I had too much energy. I needed to. 

It happens usually too late in the show. People might have stopped listening by then. So it's good to bring the booms to the audience that doesn't listen all the way through. 

Yeah, fair enough. Well, it's the hatches matches and dispatches. 

Oh, speaking of trying to make people listen the whole way through. 

Segment at the end of the show. That's right. Great segue. Well done. Hatches matches and dispatches. We normally do a birth, death or a marriage. Sometimes when we don't have anything else, we just do a birthday. And that's one of these weeks where it's just a celebrity having a birthday that said this. 

Drinking. your own pee is truly unpleasant. 

Yeah, we'll find out who that is at the end of the show. 

June 2006, we have a meteorite in Norway resulting in a massive explosion. 

Oh, I remember, actually, I do remember this story in the news. I remember hearing about this story in the news. I thought it was the apocalypse over there. 

Well, yeah, because Norway isn't exactly a meteor hotspot. So when things start exploding in the sky, everyone pays attention. 

Are you sure that it's not actually a media hotspot? A media hotspot? Yeah, there's not much media in Norway. Nothing to report here. No, a meteor hotspot. 

Are you sure? No, I don't think so. I don't think so. I think this is big news. Really. 

I feel like they've maybe had a few. I mean, I don't know. I'm not a meteorite aficionado. 

On the 7th of June 2006, one does tear through the atmosphere and explodes mid-air, producing a massive sonic boom. 

Sonic boom, yes. 

Locals report a blinding flash and shock wave strong enough to rattle windows and wake people up. They compare the sound and intensity to a nuclear blast. 

Yes, they thought they were under attack. 

Yes, they were saying that a Hiroshima level comparison. 

Well, I don't know about that. 

Maybe that was slightly exaggerated. 

Absolutely, which probably fueled the controversy because there was no crater or impact site found. 

No, it was an air burst. I think it exploded before it hit the ground. 

Yes, which is a thing apparently. 

That's very rare, but very dramatic as well. 

Yes, where they just blow up before they're under so much pressure from entering the atmosphere that they go kaboom and they are obliterated. 

Global headlines. It happened in an area that wasn't very hugely populated, thank goodness, because I think if it had been over a densely populated city, that probably would have. 

Meteor bits everywhere. 

Caused all kinds of. 

You'd pick a meteor dust out of everything. 

Dramas. 

Exactly. 

Yes, They do have another one, I think, seven years later, which was actually more. 

The Chelyabinsk Meteor. 

Yes, I believe that one was more notable. 

From the town Chelyabinsk, it was a big air burst then too, but they are apparently the closest thing that Earth has to a cosmic jump scare. Jesus, frighten the sh*t out of me. 

No injuries, no damage, which is really the best case scenario, but I do love a little, yes, it's. 

The equivalent of outer space, outer space just waiting outside the atmosphere, similar to what you used to when your dad had come out of the dunny and just go, Yes, okay, there was another thing that could have exploded over in the UK as well in the news. The Broadmead shopping district in Bristol, busy retail hub, picture this, people are going about their shopping, doing their day-to-day sort of thing, and then suddenly, suddenly somebody stumbles upon some unexploded ordnance from World War II. And this actually happens quite regularly in the UK. People are finding bombs and stuff everywhere from the Battle of Britain and whatnot, you know, with all the aerial bombardment that would have happened during the Blitz. So they are kind of used to it. So there's some construction workers out there digging away and they find this suspicious object underground and they think, this is a potential World War II bomb. And it was buried underground in what was a known World War Two bomb target zone, so they put two and two together. Bristol was one of those cities that was heavily blitzed. during World War II. And the object was this large, solid, cylindrical, round sort of shaped thing, which, you know, most bombs, long, cylindrical, match the description, unexploded as well, covered in dirt and corrosion, all of the things. Yeah. And it was found in a construction site. And construction sites are like, you know, usually where a lot of this stuff pops up in the UK. Now that's a workplace health and safety thing that you wouldn't be really prepared for, isn't it? All those other things you got to deal with on a job site, and then you got to deal with unexploded ordnance from the 40s. 

So they call it in, and mass evacuation of the city centre. You can imagine the chaos. City centre. Yes. Evacuating everyone, closing down businesses. Mind you the tradies on the construction site. 

It's real. They just went down to the pub, bought a couple of bags, got on the pokies, got drunk. had a punt. 

The bomb disposal experts arrive. I'm sure they would have had those little robots that look like little mini short circuits. 

Yes, and then the tradies were concerned that they were going to take their jobs. 

They investigate. 

Don't you let that robot take our jobs. 

Looks at the cylindrical object that's been sitting there and covered in dirt and corrosion. Investigate. It was a bomb. No, it was a chunk of reinforced concrete. 

Oh, ********. 

That looked like a bomb. 

Really? It's a concrete shaver. 

So they shut down the whole city for a chunk of concrete. 

Wow. There's like some dudes like, I've got this really cool idea for some garden ornaments. You know how you got concrete swans and concrete lions? 

There's one near us where they've used an old toilet and they've planted flowers in the toilet. 

Yes, oh, maybe we'll just do a concrete bomb. That'll look that'll really set the garden off. So to speak. And probably the neighbours too. And the cops. Guys, speaking of bombs, I don't have anything really. Let's go over to music. 

Rihanna's calling it in. There you go. 

Oh, really? SOS. SOS please someone help me. 

It's not healthy for me to feel this way. Oh, you are making this hard. You got me tough and turning in sleep. 

Yes, that's number one on the Australian charts. And then of course that call from Rihanna goes over to the UK charts and it's like, I think you're crazy. 

I think you're crazy. Just like me. 

I don't even made a metal. It's concrete. How did you even think it was a bomb? You are crazy. 

And then, over in the U.S., this is the top five. 

Me and the rest of the family here singing, Where'd You Go? I miss you so. Seems like it's been forever with you. I got the right temperature official to you from the storm. Hold on, girl, I got the right tactics to turn you on. And girl, I wanna be the papa, you can be the mom. Oh, oh, SOSP. They see me rolling, they hating, patrolling and trying to catch me riding dirty, trying to catch me riding dirty, trying to catch me riding dirty, trying to catch me riding dirty, trying to catch me riding dirty, my music's so loud, I'm swinging. 

Chamillionaire, how dare you? 

New #1. 

Knocked Rihanna down two positions. In the charts there was Riding Dirty. 

Riding. 

It's not Riding Dirty. I just did an old person thing. Go back to the boomers. 

It's Riding Dirty by the Chameleon Air. 

By the Chameleon Air. 

The Number 2, Bad Day, Rihanna in at #3 SOS, Stembridge #4, and Fort Miner, Where to Go? 

Yeah, with the dude from Linkin Park. 

Yes. 

That's that one. So there's no, there's all the same songs. 

Yeah, just a different order. 

That's boring. Is there anything new? 

Well, yes, an album release from Nelly Furtado. 

This reminds me of when Jewel went from being, because remember Nelly Furtado was known at this stage that I'm like a bird. Don't sing like an old lady. 

It was just folksy. I was like a bird. No, I was trying to be folky. 

You sound like an old lady. 

You sounded like that. Maybe a little bit BOE. 

You sounded like the old lady that looks after Sylvester and Tweety Bird in the war. I'm like a man. Yes, no, but it reminds me of when Jewel went from like the full folk intuition. 

That's better. That's better than my Nana. Right. Great. 

Yes. Anyway, we won't dwell on that. 

Jewel's razor era. 

But yes, that's right. And then she sold out to Gillette, didn't she? Was it Gillette? 

No, Shick. 

Oh, Shick Intuition. Sorry, Gillette. You lose. Jewel has chosen Shick instead as the superior razor that she would like to name after her song and sell out to. 

Which was very handy because it had like the Like the shaving cream in built into the razor. But then once it ran out, it was useless. 

Become a bit dry then. 

And it did cut. You did cut yourself a lot with it. 

Oh, really? 

Yeah. It's very dangerous. 

It's not a very good ad. It's a good idea. I don't want to get sued by Jewel. 

It's a good idea. 

Okay. 

Yes, this is where she is. She's gone. It's a rebrand, really. 

No razors, though. She didn't do a rebrand. She didn't do the razor thing. 

So album we're talking about, Loose. 

Loose by Nelly Furtado. 

Furtado. 

Yes. That song Man Eater was on that album. 

It was. And she's moved from that folksy sound into really sort of club ready, R&B, bit dancey, Timbaland's on board. 

Oh yes, with the whole... I'm all alone and it's you that I want. I'm all alone. He was just the it's producer at that stage. So any kind of collab with him was going to make sure that your career was fairly safe at this stage in the early 2000s. 

Beat driven, synthy, weird percussion often was signature. 

And of course, I mean, his ego is such that not only does he have to produce it, but he's got to put himself all over it as well. 

He was featured very heavily in that particular song, Promiscuous. And she'd moved into this new look, new me, new wardrobe, new sound, and very sexy. She'd gone from folksy to very confident and sexy. 

I'm like a bird to. I'm like a. 

It was very good looking video clips. 

Was it? Yeah. 

So Maneater was on there, Promiscuous, All Good Things and Say It Right. Lots of number ones came out of that particular album. And very notable for her, evolution. 

Well, this is where we, this is like, this is where I sort of have that comparison to Jewel. Like, is it an evolution or is it a selling out? Because it's a completely different musical direction. And look, people are allowed to change musical direction. Okay. 

What are these selling out? She didn't like pedal razors or anything. She just changed her sound. 

Yes. But it's like you're known for one thing and then you do another thing. And when you're known for one thing, you build an established fan base and then you and they know that they know you for that and they like you because of that. And then you do something different. And then you basically are opening up a door for them not to like you, which I think is brave. Don't get me wrong. 

I think we all liked it. I think we liked this evolution. 

I mean, I'm just, I'm just saying. 

Look, I'll counter your argument. Quite often when artists were releasing their first album, they were very much defined by the label that they were signed to. 

Well, in the pop music industry, I take your point. 

I often didn't have a lot of control over their image or their sound. And you do find that when they released second, third, 4th albums, Maybe they grow a bit more into what they want to do and they're okay. So she's like, alright, so maybe it was a bit of that. I don't know. 

She's like, alright, I'll do this like a bird **** and I'll weather the storm just so I can go and eat some men. Is that what you reckon? 

Mind you. Early Nelly Furtado wasn't terrible. I liked. 

I like Bird as a beautiful song. 

Yeah. 

And these are okay too. I'm just, it's just, it was just a very good like. 

You just sound like you have a problem. 

I was a little bit taken aback by the change in musical direction. 

You were, yeah, by the sounds of it. You didn't like the reinvention. It was just a bit of a shock to you. 

Look, if the truth be told, I couldn't give a about any of it. I'm just trying to feign some interest to keep this podcast rolling along. 

She's had a bit of a comeback too. 

Has she now? 

In recent years. 

Very good. Is that interesting enough for you? 

Yeah, that was maybe a little bit too interesting. 

Oh, sorry. A bit over the top. 

You take it back and not. 

Sold out a little bit. Just went from like a bird to full-blown man-eater in one fell swoop. I get it, swoop. 

Re-emerged 2022 with festival appearances, collaborations. She did some more. She reunited with Timberland, did some stuff with Dustin Timberlake as well, released her 7th album in 2024. And a lot of of younger audiences, as is the current trend, rediscovered her through TikTok, particularly the song Promiscuous was having a bit of a resurgence through the TikTok. 

I must say, like all cynicism and ridiculousness, that song's never gone away, Promiscuous. That's just been around. And that is one of, that is actually one of those songs where you go, I can't believe that's been 20 years since that came out. But I mean, I don't think that's ever left like commercial airplay. You hear it around a lot. You see it on the TV A lot. Anytime there's like a bit of a sexy interlude on some kind of favorite drama series or whatever, they might drop that song into it or something, you know, perhaps maybe a reality program. 

Well, on like Blue Dealers or something from Mr. Spots Up. going on a bit of a first date or something. I don't think I don't think I've ever heard it on a TV show. 

We'll get to Blue Heelers later on as well. 

Over the past couple of years as well, there's been a lot of commentary about her look and how different she looks. Hello, it's 20 years later. But people were saying that from her ultra lean loose era, there was a lot, there's been a lot of discussion, which I think is terrible about how she looks and about her weight. 

What, like a, so yes, so body shaming. 

Yeah, absolutely. A lot, a lot over the social medias over the last few years. She's responded and good on her pretty directly and publicly, basically saying she's never had any cosmetic surgery beyond veneers and she's actually more comfortable in herself now than she ever was and people need to chill out about women aging like actual humans and just get a grip. 

Yeah, look, I concur. I mean, nobody talked about how chonky bloody Timberland was in all of that stuff, sitting like a big fat mogul in his chair going, yep, with all the stuff, you know, barking orders and. 

Is he chonky? 

Timberland. Yeah. It doesn't matter if he's chonky or not, though. 

Is he? I don't know what he looks like. I'm just asking. 

I think he's a, I think he's a, I mean, he's certainly not. 

Is he hefty? 

Well, he ain't an elite athlete, that's for sure. 

When have you seen Timberland? 

Timberland. 

Why would you? When did you see him? Are you confusing him with like Fat Joe? 

No, I was looking for a pair of boots on Amazon and I put Timberland in the search thing and I actually saw a photo of him on that. Oh, okay. 

I thought you were just confusing him with some of the other bigger dudes. 

I'm not trying to body shame him either, but what I'm saying is it's like nobody does that. Nobody does that. 

No, that's true. Yes. And like even Fat Joe, he was called Fat Joe, but nobody really cared. It was just, oh yeah, it's Fat Joe, whatever. 

As they say on Christian television, I think there's something in that for all of us, don't you? It was good to see at least something happening in music, even if it was Nelly Furtado, and I wasn't super... I'm sorry that I wasn't super interested. 

That's okay. Look, no one would have noticed if you didn't give yourself away. 

I know, I just... 

Well, I like to be. 

I like to be authentic. 

I tell you were overly interested and then it was at last. 

You get nothing but honesty here. 

Well, thank you for coming, Clean. I appreciate that. 

We are. Do you know, I just realised too, based on that last segment, that this show is actually less scripted than the hills. Like it really is. We talked about the hills last week, but this show is less scripted than the hills. Yes, as we move. 

I think everybody is well aware of this. 

I think we're quite well prepared to talk about. 

Oh, look, off on a tangent again. 

Yes, anyway, let's go back to the box office. Let's go and watch some stuff, shall we? 

There's another, we've got another new number one this week in the US. Movies are busy. 

Yes, this is Vince Vaughn and Jennifer Aniston. A rom-com. Not a bad one, though. The breakup. 

Gary. 

Yeah. You got, you got 3 lemons. What my baby wants, my baby gets. No, but I wanted 12. Baby wanted 12. Why do you want 12? Because I'm making a 12 lemon centerpiece. So no one's even gonna eat the lemons. Are you suggesting to me that these are just show limits? After 2 years together, Gary and Brooke have reached a critical point in their relationship. Fine, I'll help you do the dishes. No, that's not what I want. You just said that you want me to help you do the dishes. I want you to want to do the dishes. Why would I want to do dishes? I'm done. 

And she was. It's a good interaction, good chemistry between the two. I think, you know, good comedic timing with Aniston and Vaughn. 

Well, they were a couple. 

Were they? 

At this time. Yes. 

Is that right? 

They were. 

Also, I will say good timing as well. Shiloh, remember? Shiloh Jolie, Pitt, born last week. Everyone's like, what does Jen think? Jen don't. 

We better go watch Jen's movie and take it to #1 at the box office. 

Jen don't give a rats. Jen's still working. No, Jen don't care what anyone cares. Everyone's like, everyone's like, what does Jen think? Jen don't care. Jen's working. She got a movie out. 

But then we all went to watch the movie because we still wanted to know what Jen thought. 

It's also called the breakup. So it's like, how does Jen handle a breakup? You know, yeah, but it's not real life. It's a movie people. So get a grip. 

Yes, exactly. So they break up, but they don't want to move out of their shared condo. So they instead continue to live together and have this big passive aggressive war of emotions. 

Yes, it's petty. You heard the lemon thing there? 

Well, that's a fair call. How can you make a lemon centerpiece with three lemons? That's stupid. 

Why the **** would you want a lemon centerpiece? 

Because they look good. Do they? Lemon centerpiece. Remember when we were looking for, when we were going to open homes, did you not notice the abundance of lemons on display in open homes? 

Can't say that I don't think. 

And they smell fresh. They smell fresh. It's a nice color. People have display lemons. I don't see that this is a big problem. 

Problem. We might break up after this. Oh dear. Lemon centerpiece. When I'm going to look at a home, right? I'm not looking. I care about the trinkets. 

I care about how it's. I really hope it. 

Has a lemon centerpiece. I'm like, I hope it doesn't have ******* termites. 

Look at those beautiful lemons. I'm checking the structure. 

I want a builder's report. 

It looks clean. It's not, you know, there's not lots of crappy trinkets. This is class. Classy lemons. It looks good. It smells good. Amazing. 

Who would have thought that lemon centerpieces would be the cause of all these breakups? 

Yeah. 

Who knows? It's all right. It's all right, kids. Mum and dad aren't arguing. We're just fighting. I mean, what? 

Just disappointed. Disappointed in your lack of understanding of lemons. 

All right, I'll meet you halfway, okay? Because I don't want to I don't want to end up like Vince Vaughn and Jennifer. for Aniston in the breakup. 

But we loved it too because we knew that they were a couple. So everybody wanted to go watch the couple together obviously. 

See the chemistry in action. And look, they were funny. It was a funny rom-com. 

She is funny though. She can be, yes, and so can he. 

Vince Vaughn, you know, I think we were getting, I mean, we had a lot of movies. 

We were getting a bit sick of him. 

A lot of movies with Vince, but I think it's a press tape because she, yeah, exactly. Yes, that's exactly. So much star power there in that film. 

It made around 200 million worldwide, which is pretty good. 

It's good money because rom-coms cost ****** all to make. Once you've paid the cast, like it's not like, you know, there's not any special, no special effects. 

So, like, you know, lemons aren't that expensive back in the 2000s. 

It's not X-Men The Last Stand. Vince Vaughn isn't wearing those Pizza Hut sunglasses and having lasers shooting out of his eyes and, you know, steel things coming out of his arms. 

He's got those for free with that deep dish pan. Jennifer Aniston is his son. 

Some CGI blue chick that turns into other people. It's just lemons. 

12 lemons. 

That's probably where all the budget went to the lemon centerpiece. Exactly. That's it. So they made a fortune. They did really well. It became a cult reality check relationship type film rather than a rom-com, I think. So a lot of the blokes kind of enjoyed it as well. 

But they break up in real life for realsies not long after this as well. Must have been the lemons. Small screen. 

Yeah. 

We had a premiere on the 6th of June, the Janice Dickinson Modeling Agency. 

She's one of the most successful models of all time. I've done every form of a cover you can think of. And now she's opening her own modeling agency. But will the industry take her seriously? People don't buy you as having a real agency. Everyone I'm talking to takes it as a joke. Maybe I am too over the top. Maybe I am, but I have faith. and heart and passion for this. She's not just looking for the next supermodel. 

Are you sporting a six-pack or not? 

That's hot. She's looking for models that can make her business a success. I need girls and guys that are going to make the Janice Dickinson Agency money. She's the boss. All right. What if no one shows up? And when Janice holds an open call. 500 people. She'll need to use her skills as a professional photographer to determine which prospects have what it takes to make her startup business a success. You have to have sexuality to model. Out of over 500, only a select few will be chosen and become the first models of the Janice Dickinson Modeling Agency. 

She was mad. Janice Dickinson was mad. I remember her. I think this came after her appearing on America's Next Top Model Model, where she was. 

Did you say America's Next Top Model? That was the Australian channel. 

Not intentionally. Not intentionally. But she was mad. 

I think Next Top Model was maybe running currently. I think we've already had a few. Cycles. They called it Cycles, remember not the season. They'd already had a few cycles. But I think it's still continue. Yeah, I think it was running in parallel maybe. But yeah, so she's branched out on her own on the Oxygen channel at this stage. Yeah, reality modeling, we loved that. This was before we found Next Top Model Problematic. So we were largely okay with this. 

Janice featured on a lot of highlight shows like The Soup at the time because she was so mad. 

It's a bit unhinged. 

Yeah. she was nuts. 

Don't you think, so remember we were talking about Shiloh being the dog's name from the song. Don't you think Janice would be an excellent name for a cat? 

Janice the cat. 

I feel like Janice is an excellent name for a cat. 

I think so too. And I think if Janice Dickinson was going to do a voiceover for an animated character, she'd be a great voice for a cat. 

But I think a cat called, I'm going to call that cat over the road that comes in our driveway. I'm just going to call it, I don't know what its name is. I'm just going to start calling it Janice. 

Really? That's what I call it. That's what I call it. Trying to get it out of the yard, tormenting your dog. 

Yeah, no, it's Janice now. It's him in the garden. Janice. 

Yeah, that's really good fun when you're raking up the leaves and you get a big bit of cat diarrhea from Janice. 

Yes, that did happen today, actually. 

Certainly did. Thanks very much, Janice. 

So, Janice? 

Good thing you're not pregnant. 

Non-cat Janice assembles a group of not pregnant. 

Yeah, cat shit's really bad for pregnant women. Not Janice Dickens models again. 

Is it bad for pregnant cats? 

What cat ****? 

Oh, you're saying good thing I'm not pregnant. I thought you meant it's a good thing Janice the cat isn't pregnant. And I'm like, well, why would a pregnant cat have a problem with its own ****? 

You know what? Just like across the board, it's a good thing. And the Janice Dickinson Modelling Agency, also a good thing. Rather enjoyable show, if I do say so myself. 

A group of aspiring models, and she starts tearing into them. Lots of critique. 

It's just her shouting at people, basically. It was really so... And it did really well. It actually did really well. 

No HR. 

No HR whatsoever. Oh my God. So many seasons, so many episodes, all on your favorite cable TV network, which was, I don't know, was it? 

It was on Oxygen. 

Oxygen or E or whatever we had. I think it was E over here. 

Did we have it? 

I don't think we did. We did. I've watched it a couple of times. Yeah, I quite enjoyed. I was like, who's that? Oh, it's that crazy woman from Top Model. I'm going to watch that. Janice Dickinson. I like her. 

Well, we don't like her anymore because Top Model has... 

What'd she do? 

Well, a lot of clips have been resurfacing of Top Model. 

Oh, yeah. 

And the body shaming. 

Oh, she's terrible. 

The racial sensitivity, the chaotic makeovers, mean, exploitative, wildly inappropriate. 

I don't think that she was... I don't think she was about as tyrant. Tyra Banks. 

She was still a bit harsh, a bit nasty. 

Of course she was. You know what's wrong? They're all hangry. They're all hangry. They live on lettuce and cigarettes. And they've just permanently got the *****. They're unhinged all the time. You've seen us like it's like it's I mean, if they were sponsored by Snickers, it would just be Kumbaya, Kumbaya all the way around, campfires and models around the thing. They wouldn't be, they'd be a little bit chunkier, but they'd all be happier and we'd be happier for it as well. Probably wouldn't have anything to watch though. 

No. Anyway, from cats to Blue Heelers. 

Oh, hang on a minute. 

Hi, I'm John Wood and I played the character of Tom Croydon in all 510 episodes of Blue Heelers. Tonight marks the end of an era as we farewell this iconic series. It becomes tonight the longest running one hour police drama in Australian television history. And I'd like to take this opportunity to thank you, the viewing public, On behalf of Southern Star 7, myself and all the cast and crew, for your incredible loyalty over the past 12 years and for making us one of the highest rating shows ever. At the end of the show, we're going to show you some of the special events, births, deaths and marriages of the Blue Heelers over the past 12 years. I hope you enjoy it. Thanks again. See you around. 

That's where I got the idea to hook the hatches matches and dispatches. John Wood for the last episode of Blue Heelers. That's where I got it. Do you like it? 

So you've been holding on to that idea for 20 years, have you? That'd be really great if I ever start a podcast one day. 

Hatches matches and dispatches at the end, just similar to what they did. 

Well, you should have called it a hatches match. 

You know, I've got to have some originality, otherwise I might get sued by. 

That was my mum, not you. 

I don't want to get arrested or sued by Tom Croon. Do you think John Wood, when he introduces that, he's a little bit bitter and twisted? Like, just listen to the. 

You does sound a bit ******. 

Hi, I'm John Wood and I played the character of Tom Croydon in all 510 episodes of Blue Heelers. 

In all 510 episodes. 

Yes, until I got axed. Yes, you know. 

And you never gave me a gold. I think he did get a gold. I think he did. I think he got one towards the end. 

It's like a consolation. 

I think he got one. 

Is that like, you know, just an attrition thing? It's like when famous people go back to the universities they went to and get honorary doctorates or. 

Something like that. Look, I don't know, but I did work at the affiliate station when they were trying to For Blue Heelers. I remember there was a lot of chatter. There was a lot of chatter, and I think TV Week was sort of pushing him. John Wood is good. 

Give him the Logie sort of stuff. Yeah. Well, it was a milestone for Australian television back on the 4th of June. 

It was 510 episodes. 

2006, 12 years, 12 years, 510 episodes as John Wood clearly articulated. 

And how much freaking **** could go down in Mount Thomas. Well, yes, you probably need that too. 

That theme. 

I used to have to do back announcers when I worked at the affiliate station. 

And you'd be like, on Pride. 

Coming up next, week on Blue Heelers, John Wood still has the *****. And more drama and crime in Mount Thomas. 

Stay tuned. I know, like Mount Thomas was like Compton. 

It was. 

It really was. It was a hotbed of criminal activity. Who would have thought? 

Coming up next is It Takes Two. 

Next week. 

Who's going to sing the best? 

Tom Croydon versus the Yakuza in Mount Thomas. 

But because it had such a long outro, that's long. I'd always have to do the back announcers over the top of that song and it puts you in a certain mood. 

Oh, but you know, I mean, you're also sort of trying to segue between that and like Better Homes and Gardens or something as well, right? So. 

Well, no, and they do repeats of Blue Heelers in the afternoon. was Go Go Stop with that James Tobin weather guy when he used to do kids shows. He was very good on that. He was. 

He's quite good. He's quite the talent James Tobin. He really is. 

He's untapped talent. I agree. 

They should have put him on Blue Heelers. He would have won over. 

He should be hosting Family Feud. Yeah. 

Anyway, back to Blue Heelers. Sorry, yes. I mean, Mount Thomas, like we said, hotbed of scum and villainy. Yes. it's very. And Yahoo ship. I mean, there's lots of Yahoo in. I tell you what, you wouldn't buy a house in Mount Thomas. No value. 

Violence, trauma. 

Yes, exactly. 

Lots of balls spray painted around. 

Oh, really? Lots of petty crime and vandalism as well as some hot, yeah. 

But we liked it because it made regional Australia feel like, you know, there's stuff going on in regional Australia can be a bit. 

Well, apparently so. I mean, this was one of those shows that everybody apparently loves. 

I think everyone, I think everyone's mum. And everyone's auntie, like I didn't love it. I don't think people outage. 

Pre-streaming, you know, is this the sort of thing like that? I think it's a boomer thing. Like, you know, harking back to the days of country practice where the whole family used to watch a show together. 

Maybe. I don't know. Look, I don't. Do you know anyone that loves Blue Heelers? Let's get real here. 

Can I? I've got a confession to make. I have never. ever watched one episode of Blue Heelers? 

That's what I mean. 

In fact, I would rather sh*t in my hands and clap than watch Blue Heelers. 

Look, I think that's getting a bit too hard. Really? I think that's a bit too hard. But you could just say your Blue Heelers is indifferent. But this is the thing, like we're saying, like it's the most. 

That's probably a bit nicer, isn't it? 

It's the most loved Australian TV show and we're all devo that it's ended. But I'm questioning here, does anyone know anyone who loves Blue Heelers? Like even I'm saying it's a mum show. My mum My grandma didn't watch Blue Heelers. I just had to watch the ending of it and talk over it for work. But that doesn't count as watching it. 

Do you know anyone who watched Blue Heelers? 

Maybe. 

It's maybe the crime. Maybe that's a fortune. Maybe Mount Thomas runs deeper than you thought. Maybe Blue Heelers was a front for some kind of criminal activity that the network was engaging. Allegedly, I'm just alleging, I'm speculating. I have no proof or evidence to back this up. 

But nobody would have questioned it because they're too busy watching all the crimes that are happening in the show. 

12 years, 512 episodes. 

I mean, that's a lot of crime opportunity, isn't it? 

A lot of crime opportunity. 

I think you're onto something. I don't know anyone that's beloved of Mount Thomas. 

It's like, you know, barbershops. You know, there's barbershops everywhere now. And I'm like, and there's never any customers in the barbershops. 

Be careful. 

I'm like, how are that? Well, let's get Tom Croydon onto that one, shall we? Bring John Wood out of retirement. Let's start an investigation. And maybe, Mount Thomas was just alluding to the hotbed of criminal activity that exists in every single town. 

Maybe. I don't know. But apparently, apparently, there was a lot of emotional storylines, but apparently the biggest deal in Blue Heel is it's kind of the equivalent of Molly in country practice was death, the death of Maggie, Maggie. 

Doyle, played by Lisa McCune. That's right. It was the launch pad for Lisa McCune. How many Logies did she win because of this show? She did. Like all the Logies. 

Okay, well maybe, I don't know, maybe people did like it. 

Well, okay, it's the same people that read TV Week and fill out a form to vote for someone and send it in via snail mail. So that's what, that's, yeah. 

The death of Maggie Doyle was, yeah, apparently a bit of a shock. It was during a police operation and no warning. 

Really. 

And she dies. And Martin Sacks, PJ, was by her side, I think. Was that her husband or her boyfriend or something? 

I don't know. 

But she was the heart. She was the heart of Blue Hills, but not John Wood, it was Maggie. And everybody was so outraged because you can't do that to a main character. And you can't do that without, well, if you're going to kill off a main character, they have to, there has to be a lead up, they have to be ill. that you know that it's going to happen. 

Whereas this was a shock. 

She's a police officer. It was in the line of duty. 

Big shock. 

It's actually quite realistic. The audience felt very betrayed, apparently. Very betrayed. 

There was a lot of backlash. Maggie Doyle killed in dry fire in Mount Thomas. Genuine grief. 

People were crying and they still talk about it, apparently. I don't know who talks, but no one talks to me about it. But apparently people in the Blue Heelers circles still talk about it. Yes, right. 

Well, what are they? No justice. 

No closure. Just an unnecessary loss, Maggie. 

Think about the crimes that they could investigate in this modern day and age, you know, like they could be doing raids on tobacconists and, you know, seizing illicit vapes. That'd be a big one, wouldn't it? What other crimes could they be looking at in that? 

**** and balls graffiti. I found one the other day on my walk home. 

**** and balls graffiti in Mount Thomas. I think there'd be like investigating email scams. 

The canvas hack. 

They could look into that for us. Maybe they can have a spin-off series, the Blue Heelers Cybercrime Department. Yeah. There's another 12 years and 512 episodes for you. Oh, we could have, you know what we could have done? We could have done that as a dispatch. dispatch for Blue Heelers, or even like a dispatch, Mount Thomas, are you there? 

I feel bad for poo-pooing on it. 

Yeah, I know. 

But I do stand by the fact that I've never had a conversation with someone who's gone, how good was Blue Heelers? 

I think if you're going to blame anything for the death of Blue Heelers, it's not the fact that we didn't like it. It's the fact that reality TV was much cheaper to make. And it is a bit sad, really. When you look at it from that point of view, you know, you've got a need to see. 

Of a lot of those really big Australian series around this time. 

And a lot of those shows, like Blue Heelers, I can't believe I'm saying this after I said I'd rather sh*t my hands and clap than watch it. But a lot of those shows pave the way for some really big names in Hollywood. 

Yeah, that's true. 

That's like some big Australian names that we're all really proud of, you know, and they come from humble beginnings, like being coppers in Mount Thomas. You know, I can't wait to see John Wood in the next Marvel film as I don't know. 

It is sad because I wonder too how many people these days actually look into acting as a career. 

A vocation. 

Yeah, I wonder if that's still something that a lot of people do now because realistically you'd have to move overseas for that. 

This is like opening the boom box at the start of the show. I mean you look at that right and it's like you know people who are influencing and selling their bodies on OnlyFans are making more money than legit artists who have honed a craft to perfect themselves as an actor and oh my. That's heartbreaking. 

You make a fair point. Yeah. 

Anyway, this is. 

But I still don't know anyone who loves Blue Heelers. 

No, and me either. But Dino is still very sad. I'm just trying to walk back the comments, maybe softly blow, because I don't want to get complaints. 

Sad for the industry. 

I don't know. 

Sad week for the industry. 

I don't know how dangerous Blue Heelers fans are. So I just want to say. 

Well, they like crime, so yes, very dangerous. 

And in small towns too. So, okay, so let's do this. Just the actual hatches, matches and dispatches clue. And we didn't really have a birth, death or a marriage except for the death of Blue Heelers, which we used for fuel in the other segments. So now we've just got a celebrity having a birthday who said this? 

Drinking your own pee is truly unpleasant. 

Isn't it what? If you said Bear Grylls. Man, that was an easy one. That was a gimme, but I mean, last week's one was really complicated. 

Didn't we talk about that for ages? God, he drank his own ****. Can you believe that? 

The survival expert, the TV icon. 

That was such a big. 

I will absolutely drink that energy. I mean, the stuff that guy has put in his mouth. Oh my Lord. 

But it was the wee. Like we talked about that for months. 

The pee. 

Can you believe that? Can you believe that he drank that? 

And look, you can. 

That's crazy. 

Who do you? Yeah, I mean, I found more graphic was the footage of him eating this giant witchetty grub. It was this big fat grub that was like as thick as your ring finger and he bites into it and it just bursts in his. 

I was more affronted by the blowflies when you were playing that because I could hear them in my headphones. That was more annoying to me, the blowflies. 

I mean, Bear Grylls, the survival expert, I think he was the head of the Boy Scouts as well, if he still isn't in the UK. Was he? Yeah, expert, TV icon. 

He was a special forces soldier. Yeah, what do you mean? 

I mean, Man vs. Wild was a great show. That doesn't start until 2006, which we'll get there very soon. But yes, he turned adventurer, author, immediate, media author. He's good at what he did, which is much more than I can say for me, really. Born in 1974, nicknamed Bear from his sister. I mean... who's obviously a clear branding expert. Bear Grylls. Like what a great name. Bear Grylls. He's in the SAS. He learns how to survive. He learns how to stay calm when everything's going wrong. He actually suffered a near-fatal parachuting accident in 1996 where he broke his back in three places. It was actually one of those calls where it's like, you may never walk again. Yeah. And then two years later, 23 years old. So he's like 21 when that happens. Two years later, climbs Mount Everest stage 23. A high achiever, the youngest brint to do it at the time, becomes known for these expeditions. He crossed the Atlantic in an inflatable boat. He paraglided over the Himalayas. He's been through the Antarctic. He's someone who doesn't just like talk about survival. He's stress tested. He's like, I'll give that a go. They did that. I'll give that a go. Hence the pee drinking. 

Yeah, why not? Why not? And yeah, launches Man versus Wild this year, 2006. I think later in the year. So I'm sure we'll talk about it again. 

I can't wait. It's a great show. 

Pop culture. And a lot of it is around him dropping himself into extreme environments and then having to survive his way out of it. And there was this feeling of, is he going to die? Yeah. He might actually die. This show might end soon. He might die. This guy is crazy. 

This is what education looks like post *******. Right? he's got to do, he's got to do this to survive, maybe you shouldn't, but you could, you could do it, yeah. All of those things, all of those things. And look, as this very special treat, as a very special treat for everyone, I have Bear Grylls drinking his own ****. 

Drinking your own pee is truly unpleasant. If you're well hydrated. 

And your pee is... 

Like that? 

What's he weighing into? 

A large proportion of that is going to be fluids that can help hydrate you. If you're dehydrated though and your pee is stinking thick brown colour, that's just pure waste product. And that's not going to help you at all. 

That's a long way. 

Oh, he's drinking deep. And that's what these guys were learning the hard way. 

The fly is like, give us some. That sounds great. That's the abridged version, but that's quite graphic. He's out in the middle of the day. 

So his pain was obviously clear. 

Yeah, it wasn't bad. Kept him hydrated for a while. He actually didn't finish it all in one go. He stashed it at his back for a little bit later on, just in case he got thirsty. He's the man. Like, I mean, you know, tell me anyone who's braver than Bear Grylls. Well, there's probably a few people, but anyway, happy birthday to him. I mean, I don't expect anything quiet from him on his birthday. No. But that's it. That's the end of the show. And I just, I figured after the brown eye last week, you're probably ready for beggars drinking. Yeah, we've done it all this week, really, when I thought we had nothing. So we've boomed, we've celebrated unexploded ordinance, we farewelled Blue Heelers, and we've brought witness to... 

I think we've uncovered a Blue Heelers conspiracy, actually. I think we should look into this a bit further. 

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I don't think we've been on TikTok since. 

I'm too scared of the Corey Feldman fans over there. They don't like me anymore. I don't, I certainly not. 

Why are these two old ladies hating on Corey Feldman? 

You know, just my luck, just my, yeah, that was a great comment. Two old ladies hating on Corey Feldman. I thought that was good. That was very clever. 

I enjoyed that. 

Very funny. And I, like I said, I don't know what John Wood fans or Blue Heelers fans are like, so I might just... They could be assembling on the TikTok right now, starting little hate groups ready to come after T-minus 20. That'd be terrible. We'd need to recruit you guys all six of you to come and help us. Thanks very much for supporting us. You are the wind beneath our wings. Tell your friends, come and subscribe to the podcast. You can find it on all the platforms. We've done all of that stuff. Stuff is happening next week. Any ideas? 

At this stage in the planner, all I've got here is there's a book. So, far we've got a book, but I'm sure we'll find some other things. 

Yeah, well, you know. 

Otherwise, we could just talk about Lou Healers again. 

Don't let anyone ever tell you that we don't leave it all of the podcasts week to week. Thanks very much. We'll see you next time. 

See you. 

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