The week Google became a verb

Rewind to 11–17 June 2006, when Google officially became a verb, Nelly Furtado completed her glow-up from folk-pop darling to dancefloor queen and Pixar convinced an entire generation that a talking race car could have emotional depth.

🔍 Google wins the internet
This week, Google was officially added to the dictionary. That's right — a company became a verb. We look back at the moment Google conquered search, compare it to today's AI boom and ask the important question: if we used to Google everything, what are we calling it when we ask ChatGPT?

🚂 The most stressful POV footage ever
Long before dashcams and TikTok fails, a freight train collision in California became one of the first major accidents captured from the driver's perspective. The footage is terrifying, the town is called Kismet — literally means fate — and somehow this all feels very early YouTube.

🎸 Nostalgia for nostalgia
Sandi Thom's I Wish I Was a Punk Rocker topped charts around the world despite being a song about wishing you'd lived in a different decade. Which is funny, because now we're nostalgic for the song itself. The nostalgia cycle is complete.

🔥 Nelly's rebrand era
Promiscuous lands and suddenly the ‘I’m Like a Bird’ girl is gone. With Timbaland behind the controls, Nelly Furtado launches one of the biggest pop reinventions of the 2000s and gives us a song that still sounds like 2006 in the best possible way.

🎤 Touch this
Busta Rhymes scores the only number-one album of his career with The Big Bang, powered by Touch It — a song that was on every club playlist, every ringtone chart and eventually remixed with what felt like every rapper on Earth.

🚗 Ka-chow!
Cars races into cinemas and introduces the world to Lightning McQueen. Critics thought it was good, kids thought it was the greatest thing ever made and parents were about to spend the next decade stepping on tiny die-cast cars in the dark.

🔧 Welding, shouting, television
Monster Garage comes to an end after proving that almost anything can become a TV show if you add power tools, impossible deadlines and enough confidence. Peak Discovery Channel. Peak 2000s.

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The year is 2006. We head to the hills and learn reality is scripted. Your Sony Cybershot uploads 462 blurry regrets. A Facebook poke makes everything complicated. And Twitters like, cool story, you've got 140 characters. Go. T-minus 20. Rewind 20 years with Joe and Mel. 11 June 2006. T-minus 20. Freaking sexy back. I want to forgive you. T-minus 20. I hate this long-distance relationship. And I want to forget you. Yeah. You have no style or sense of fashion. Christ, this is a beauty. This is very nice. Yeah, boy. Welcome to T-minus 20, the podcast that rewinds to the same week, 20 years ago and asks the important questions. Why did we willingly download viruses from LimeWire? Why did every reality show involve welding something? And how did an acoustic song about wanting to live in the 70s completely dominate 2006 with your host Jo and Mel? Hello, Mel. And why are these two clowns talking about 2006? Just something to do. Why not? Episode 250. A routine crossing at the Kismet Siding in Madura County should ensure the two trains pass by safely. However, the inexplicable actions of the southbound train crew led to the two trains colliding. Yes, a big, big train collision. But no one was hurt. It was caught on camera. That was the big deal. The first time that that had happened, that that had been caught on camera in 2006. In 2006, Google officially entered the dictionary as a verb. meaning to search online. Today, we Google everything, even Google. Yes, Google officially becomes a verb this week 20 years ago and we're never the same again. Oh, I wish I was a punk rocker with flowers in my hair. I was never the same again after that because I'm like, I've never seen a punk rocker wear flowers in their hair. Yes, that's a clash of cultures really, isn't it? Yes, well, she wished that she was one, I guess. But what week are we in this week anyway? Oh, the 11th to the 17th of June 2006. The Force? Where did that come from? We're revisiting. I don't know. I do struggle. I don't know. Because, you know, we do try and record ahead of time in order to manage time. And so sometimes I do lose track of the weeks. And I almost lost track of the fact that this is our 250th episode. Oh, happy 250th. Yeah. We're nothing if not consistent. We have not missed an episode for like five years. Yes. Five years. That's probably all we've got going for us. But anyway. Almost five years. Every week. Every single week. Oh, there's a few best dogs, but we still talk at the start and the end, so that counts for every week. That counts as an episode. Yeah. Even if we're only sort of present for five minutes of that and the rest of it is pre-recorded, we were there for the episode. And as a result, 250 episodes, like I said, we're nothing if not consistent. And we wouldn't be doing it if it wasn't for our wonderful listeners, all four of you. Thank you. If you've listened to all 250 and you still keep showing up, we appreciate you. It's kind of the only thing that does keep us going. I know I grovel at the end of every episode where I'm like, oh, you mean the world too, isn't it? But you do. Yeah, it's true. I mean, 250 episodes, that's nothing to be sneezed at. But I wonder if it also speaks to success, you know, because it's like when we first launched this podcast, It's like, you know, you look at all this stuff online about how to launch your podcast and four or five steps to podcast success and, you know, you think about, like, progress and perhaps monetising and anything. And the only thing... I don't think we followed any of those instructions. Well, I don't think we followed too many of the instructions. It's too much of an impost on your time when you already work a full-time job. So we probably have never really promoted the show. No. As actively as we could. No. But look, I dig into the data quite regularly. And I think of our loyal listeners, I think the bulk are sitting in the millennial Gen X cusp. Yeah. A few Gen Xs. There's a few boomers. Is there? A few boomers. There's a few alphas as well. But majority sort of sitting around that Gen X. Oh, sorry, alphas. They'd be lost. But I bring something for our Gen X listeners. Do you? Yes. What do you got? Something I saw the other day on the socials, which I love. And it started out with someone, someone daring to ask this question. Yeah. Oh, you stupid person. What's the OK Boomer equivalent for Gen X? Because they're pissing me off. See. You don't put that out there. But they put it out there. I wouldn't put it out there. They put it out there. That Gen X is pissing you off. And the Gen X has thought, sure, we'll answer that question. Would you like to hear the Gen X answers to what's the OK Boomer equivalent for Gen X? Oh, like a wise man once said. Because they're pissing me off. Let's go to the comments. What's pissing you off so we can do it more? On behalf of myself and fellow Gen Xers, do we care? No, it's a pie chart. It doesn't really translate. No, in blue, taking up. Nine eighths of it. Yeah, and then the other eighth, no, but in yellow. Yeah, very good, very good. We don't care. We'll just respond with a, your mom, and go on about our day. And it's... Oh, it keeps going. I know that your mum sounds lame. Your mum goes to college. I just think when used at the appropriate time. Oh, yeah. And if you're caught off guard and you don't have a comeback, it just becomes so potent and powerful. Yeah, it's a real full stopper, isn't it? Yes, it can be. You can't come back for that. It can be. Full stopper returns. What else do we have? It's really sweet that you think we'd care about your opinion. Yeah, that's it. I think we're masters of sarcasm. It's impossible to insult someone who doesn't care about your opinion. Yeah, we're really good at that. Our parents had to have a commercial at 10pm every night to ask them if they knew where their kids are. Do you think we care? Yeah, where are your children? Oh, I haven't thought about that today. Yes. F*** off works for me. Jen X here and if you're pissed, just say so. If we're pissing you off, we may or may not actually care, but you aren't getting anywhere if you play games trying to craft a cute saying for a meme. No time for that s***. Yeah, that's the winner. Right there. Listen, we ran out of food three days ago and half our party has died of dysentery. We don't have time for your opinions. Dysentery. God, yes. You don't hear of people getting dysentery very often these days, do you? Or head lice. No. Head lice was much more of a problem when we were younger. And going from day to night, I thought going from day to night was going to be a much bigger part of my life. You know how you'd watch all the infomercials and be like, this shirt goes from day to night. What does that mean? Well, you just go to the office and you go out to the clubs afterwards, day to night. Yeah, I don't think I've ever experienced that in real life. I think you've blocked out some trauma there because head lice is still a thing and you know what I'm talking about. We did have an incident in our household. When you're a male with long hair, that's particularly terrifying. But we got through it, thank goodness. Yeah, look, I recall, though, having it probably at least three times a year. We've only had it hit here, touch wood once. Yeah, but the mere thought of it actually makes the skin on my scalp crawl. All right, we better move on. So let's move on to the Hatches, Matches and Dispatches clue. Little segment at the end, Hatches, Matches and Dispatches. Little clue at the start that links the segment to the beginning of the show, which is what we're at right now, just in case you're, I don't know, you jog shuttle shit itself. Yeah. So a celebrity having a birthday this week that said this. We're fraternal twins. Fraternal twins. Yes. And the other kind would be what? Identical. Identical. When you're, I think, identical to come from the same egg and fraternal, I think. Yeah, I never understood that myself. Oh, well. But the important thing is you're both here. We're back here. That's right. They are both there. Sorry, twins, celebrities having a birthday, as told to David Letterman there. We'll find out who it is at the end of the show. 14th of June 2006, we have the Kismet train collision, which is a head-on collision between two freight trains at around 5.50am local time in California on the 14th of June. Five injuries reported, but thankfully nobody was killed. This is extraordinary. I can't believe nobody was killed. When you think about freight trains, I mean, you've seen freight trains. We've lived in country New South Wales, and if you've ever been to a level crossing and seen a freight train go through with what feels like thousands of carriages, It takes a long time. They're so long. Yes. Yes. So they've got a lot of weight behind them. They're very hard to stop and I'd suggest that they're very hard to actually get up to speed as well. A lot of junk in the trunk. Eleven locomotives were involved across both trains for this one. Goodness me. Carrying freight. Freight just screams heavy to me too. Yeah, well, that's a lot of horsepower. Yes. One locomotive was destroyed beyond repair. Several others were eventually rebuilt. And the name Kismet, which is the interesting part, literally means fatal destiny, which feels very unfortunate in the circumstances. But this was one, and this is where it becomes so early 2000s, viral before viral. All right. Get on the internet. They'd just started installing forward-facing cameras in the trains. Yeah. Like earlier. Like POV, point of view cameras. Yeah, earlier in 2006. Like a dash cam in the train. Exactly, exactly. And this became one of the first major train crashes that was actually captured with these cameras. Yeah. I watched it. I expected it to be quite thrilling. No. I expected a bit of a jump scare. No. And I expected a holy crap moment. No. None of those. We were sitting in the train with the POV for quite a while. Yes. I'm like, where's the other train? I can't see the other train coming in. It was a fair way off. It was actually quite slow all in all. Really? Yeah, but I did see a dude jump out of the other train. Oh, he bailed. Yes, but he was okay. He was okay. See, that's, I mean, that's scary in and of itself because, again, like, you know, when you see train crashes, they generally concertina up and carriages go off the tracks and all sorts of things and, you know, you'd think you might be jumping clear. You may be jumping in the way of something. No, jumped out to the side. Long way off before the trains actually collided. Just went, hang on a second. And I think we might be on the same tracks here. Yeah, not 100% sure, but I'm getting out. I could do one of two things. I could apply the brakes or I could jump. And he jumped. Did he apply the brakes before he jumped? I don't know that he was a driver. It was just one of them. Said he was an engineer. The driver's like, listen, I'm going to apply the brakes. And the engineer's like, well, f*** this, I'm out. There's nothing more I can do here. See you later. That's me for today, clocking off a little bit early. Yep. Take it out of my paycheck. The video spread online and did become one of those really early YouTube clips that people would send to each other in email saying you have to watch this. Look at this train crash. And look, it was slow moving but it was quite shocking because you do see the train coming and coming and coming. You're like, oh, it's not going to stop. And then the footage just cuts out and goes black. Yeah. There was a bit of controversy about this train crash though, I believe. Upon exiting the slight right-hand curve just before the siding, the crew of train 2 noticed train 1 was still moving. Too fast to safely jump, they hit the floor, took cover and hoped for the best. In the end, the final conclusion by the FRA was a conservative one, stating that all indications were that the signal system functioned as intended, that signal visibility was not hampered by line of sight or daylight, And despite the claims by the crew of Southbound Train 1 that the first signal was clear and not yellow, there was no evidence to support the claim. The final line of the report simply says the probable cause of the accident was the failure of Train 1 to comply with the automatic stop signal. Yes, but they did claim that they didn't see the automatic stop signal, but then the report obviously says, no, the signal worked just fine. So operator error there. There were reports as well. Controversy. I don't know if these were proven, but there were reports that suggested that crew members on the train that went through the signal. That claimed that they didn't see a signal. Had drugs in their systems. Oh, dear. Which added another layer of controversy. And it became a case study for rail safety and crew compliance. Was that from the train of the dudes that jumped? You know, like they had drugs. Did the guy that jumped had drugs in his system? Oh, okay. And we will need to work out which train had the camera. Because it would make sense. So if the ones that cocked up didn't have the camera, then that's the one that jumped, yeah. Yeah, well, I'm not sure. But I just could see him becoming wildly paranoid, like, oh, no, there's another train coming, man, and just jump. I don't know. A little bit of technology and innovation now after that technological. And innovation. Yes. Have you just changed the name of this? We didn't workshop this. Technology and innovation. Excuse me. I don't think you can just make a bold name change like that. I think it's probably not great timing at our 250th episode to inform you that I've actually been, when I do the chapter headings over in the content management side of things, I've been calling it technology and innovation for at least the last year and a half. Oh, I don't like that. Don't you? No. I'll have to go back and change it all. Technology and innovation. Do a bulk delete. I don't know. I was just trying to – I thought it would help with the bloody search engine optimisation, the SEO. That's misleading. Do you think? Yeah. Well, it's innovative sometimes. We've had some innovations in the technology segment. I'd get around a segment just called innovation and we could read from the innovations catalogue each week. I mean, what about – well, that would be good. We could pick out an innovation of the week. I could get around a whole podcast of that. Yeah, I know. Me too. Yeah, we could easily do 250 episodes. Oh, yeah, because we've got nothing better to do. Yeah. Anyway. Episode number 3000, the Key Rock. And we just do a whole episode on the Key Rock. The meerkat statues. The innovation. The meerkat. Did they do anything innovative? They did meerkat statues. Were they motion sensing or anything? I think there were ones that, yeah, I think sensor lights or something. I don't know. There's a family of them as well. They were very big on meerkats for a while. It was like a period of time. Episode number 185, the over-the-toilet bookshelf. That's good. That's not a bookshelf. It's a storage system. Storage system. I mean, this is the thing that we could debate. I was going to get one of those to go over the washing machine. The listeners would be coming in and going, gee whiz, that episode about the over the toilet thing where you had that heated, robust discussion over whether or not it was a bookshelf or a storage system. My God. I thought you were going to break up the band. I thought there'd be no more of that podcast. Just workshopping a few things here. Okay. Well, this is what could happen if we had an innovation segment. But for now, this is the technology. Over to the technology segment. I need to find some technology to do a bulk find and replace for the last 18 months' worth of technology innovation segments. Yeah. So this is not innovative. Yeah, over to you. This is technological. Yeah, okay, good. Google officially becomes a word. It made the jump from company name into the dictionary. It's a verb. Into a couple of dictionaries, in fact. Google is a verb. The Merriam-Webster and the Oxford English Dictionary. Good on them. Added as a verb, which is, as we know, a doing word. So it's something you do. Yes. Meaning to search for information online. Defined more broadly as to use, well, that came later, to use a search engine to obtain information. And then it became, yes, shading people. Go Google it, numbnuts. Yeah. Google was only about eight years old at the time. That's pretty big to then become a doing word. On your eighth birthday, become a verb on your eighth birthday. Become a doing word. Yes. Transitioned to a verb. And the reason, obviously, is that at this point in time, it's become the dominant search engine for millions of people. And I don't think there's many brands that have become everyday verbs or doing words. No. Well, Matus. What's your excuse to Matus? What? You know Matus the liqueur? What's Matus? You know, it's a liqueur. Then they have the ad and it's like, well, it's your excuse to Matus. Yeah, but they do it in the ad. Yeah, it's not official. It's not like they're in the dictionary. It's not official. And have you ever said, I'm going to go on Matus? No. That sounds weird. Yes. I wouldn't be saying that out loud. Something wrong with Matus. I'm going to have to go to a dentist. I don't know. The funny thing about this one, though, back to Google. Yeah. Google was pissed. They weren't thrilled about it. They were worried that it would make the word become generic, like escalator or thermos. They didn't want to be like thermos. Doing a Bradbury, that's a verb. And they were brand names. And I think their concern was, and Kleenex in America. Oh, Kleenex. It's like the British, they're vacuuming, they're hoovering. It's when the brand name becomes the thing. Well, what's wrong with that? So the proper noun becomes the noun. So these aren't doing words. These are naming words. The proper noun becomes the noun. Well, when that happens, I think you lose the trademark protection. Oh, so all of a sudden you become a verb and then it's like, oh, we've lost our trademark protection. Yeah, I might lose it. I don't think they did. Anyone can be me. But then anyone can use the word Google and use it in any way. So you could associate it with something that Google don't want to be associated with. Right. I'm going to go and Google my Microsoft or something. I don't know. Anyway, they weren't happy. Or I could go down to the, you know, the beach and Google topless sunbathers. Like it sounds like a pervy word. I think that's ogle. Yeah, I know. But it's, you know, and it's, but that's what I'm saying. Like it's like the connotation to Google something. Yes. I mean, have you heard of the phenomena of Google whacking, for example? No. Well, that's where you search for yourself. Oh. It's kind of masturbatory, isn't it? I'm going to go and Google whack. Is that what that is? I'm Google whacking. Yeah, it's where you search up your own name. So marketing at Google decided, look, let's bring out the brand style guide and we're going to tell people that they actually need to say. I feel like you're avoiding this. Have you ever Google whacked? Yeah, I have. Yeah, me too. I have when I built a website because I wanted to see how my SEO was going. It's only natural. Well, I had a website. I just wanted to see how it was going. You're going to get hair on the palm of your hands or anything like that. I think we should Google Whack now and see what happens. What do you want to Google Whack? Ourselves. No. And see what happens. I'm not doing it on air. That's inappropriate. It's inappropriate. This is a family show. Okay. We'll lose our clean rating. So the Google brand manual came out and went. All right. I'm going to Google Whack. People, stop saying you're going to Google it. We'd prefer you say you're going to search with Google. Oh, wow. That's very highbrow. Trying to enforce the style guide. We're searching with Google. We're searching with Google. Rather than Googling it. Nobody listened, of course. So I'll do my, obviously, my first name and my surname. So by 2006, people were already saying things like, just Googled it, I Googled my date, have you Googled yourself? There you go. And one of the first things many people do on Google or did when on Google was Google themselves. Stand back, I'm about to Google whack. Okay. Okay, so I'll put my name in. Are we ready for this? Oh, my LinkedIn profile comes up. Oh, and then an article on the ABC about T-minus. That's nice. There you go. Yeah. Well, that's good. Yeah. And then something that I replied to on Facebook. Oh, my Lord. I didn't think, wow, there you go. Was that you mouthing off on the notice board or something? And then there's another person that shares my name that works at Zurich Insurance. There you go. Maybe you should meet up. Somebody else has saved a whole bunch of presentations on SlideShare. That's not me. And then there's another one. Oh, that might have been me. I think I signed up to SlideShare in your name. There's another me that's raising funds for the Friends of the Earth Charitable Trust. I'm wondering if I've... Other you sounds a lot nicer. I'm actually also a chartered marine technologist that's speaking at the Subsea Cable Insurance Conference and Workshop of 2025. I think I might be doing a keynote. 16 years experience I had in that. You did a keynote last year. Yeah, I did one. It went really well. How did it go? It was good. Catering was good. Did you use your slide deck from SlideShare at your presentation? Yes. Yes, I did. I mean, you know, these subsea cable insurance deals don't sell themselves. There you go. So I just Google whacked myself. I feel so dirty. This is peak coming of age internet territory. Yes. Because searching online wasn't yet as big as what it is now. And although lots of people are using Google at this point, there were still portals like Yahoo, AltaVista, Ask Jeeves was still kicking around. I love Jeeves. Yeah, big fan of Ask Jeeves. MSN. Uh-huh. RIP Netscape. Sorry about that. This is saying, though, in 2006 that Google has basically won the search wars. Well, yeah. Getting added to the dictionary as a doing word is- We are search. The equivalent of planting a flag on the internet. Yeah. It remains one of the most successful examples of a brand becoming a verb. And the funny thing is other tech companies- Yeah. Bless. Have tried to achieve the same thing. How? Who? What? Uber it. Oh, I'm going to Uber it. Uber it. No. Zoom me. Remember Zoom was even, wasn't their website even zoom.me? Oh, maybe. Photoshop it. Oh, yeah, you're going to Photoshop it. Yeah, sure. Well, that's, I think, I feel like some of those kind are successful. Not Uber. Not like Googling it. No, it definitely doesn't have the broad range of appeal as Googling something. And I know you were worried, but their trademark is still in place. They actively protect it to stop it becoming a generic term. Yeah. I like looking at Google versus today. Right. So 2006 versus 2026. Yeah. So in 2006, if you had a question, you'd Google it. Yeah. And you'd get, I don't know, maybe 10 results if you like. Well, yes, but you don't really do that now. Now you just ask your favourite AI platform. Yeah, and they go and Google it for you. Looking up song lyrics, celebrity gossip, cheat codes, you'd Google it. Yeah. Now if you need holiday plans, recipes, workout programs, speech for school, you just ask AI. You ask like insert name of AI or put it into. I'm going to put it into Gemini. I'm going to put it into ChatGPT. I'm going to put it into Copilot. I'm going to put it into that. Yes. Search results that would mean you'd then have to click on something and go and read something that may or may not be 100% relevant versus a direct answer. Yeah. And Google, I mean, like, well, AI can Google it a bazillion times faster than a human can. And pull it all together into a conversational. A big, fatter conduit. Succinct answer. To get all that information, yes. Blue links versus conversational responses. Oh, yeah. Learning SEO versus learning prompting. What's that mean? Back in the day, you would optimise your content for search so that Google would pick you up in the search results. Having a title like technology and innovation. Yes. Yes. But now it's about learning prompting or it's about answer engine optimization. So I don't know if technology and innovation is something that the AIs would go, oh, that sounds really interesting. Maybe they're talking about the innovations catalogue. I might serve that up to someone. What would the prompt be? Yes, tell me now. Riddle me that. I'm not good at any of this. You'd be on the family computer to Google something, whereas now you've got all the answers in your pocket. Yeah, that's amazing, isn't it? Well, the answers in my pocket computer is worth more than the computer on my desktop, which just blows my mind how we just carry this expensive piece of equipment around and how we treat it. I see other people's ones and the screens are all shattered. Oh, my goodness. Take care of your pocket computer, would you? For triggering. The skill was knowing what to search for in 2006. Now the skill is knowing what to ask or how to ask it. Yeah. How to ask it well. That hits different, doesn't it? And how to then discern if the answer is in fact correct. Yeah, it's like, oh, whereas, well, I felt like Googling something was far more definitive than asking something and going, because that's the thing with AI still. You say, are you sure about that? Oh, yes, I am. Oh, yeah. No, no, no, no. But are you really sure about that? Oh, yeah. And then you'll come back and AI will be like. Oh, you got me. I am. Oh, but no, I'm not. And that's on me. Oh, good on you. Good call out. Yep, yep. Yep. Sorry. I'm walking that back. And because it doesn't have any feelings or emotions, it's very easy for it to flip-flop and walk back on its words. It doesn't get embarrassed. It's like, yep, that was on me. Sorry about that. Yep, I'll own that. No worries. What's your next question? Would you like me to do something more with this question? Should I make it into a slide deck on SlideShare for your keynote? And it's like, no, no AI. You have f***ing done enough. I don't know. AI, you have done enough. It hasn't even started yet, has it really? No, no. And remember to be nice for when it takes over the world. You think so? Yes. I don't think it can take over music. And I'm trying to segue to the music segment now, but I don't think that AI music is very good. I don't think so. I like the ones where it turns people's text messages into songs. Oh, that's fun. That's funny. I don't mind fun. Turning my mum's text messages into a country song. Yeah, that is fun. turning my partner's texts into an emo ballad. Yes. I do enjoy that. But the day that AI appears on the music charts or an AI-generated tune, I mean, like I say that as if it's a new thing, but, I mean, back in, like, the early 2000s we had the crazy frog. So, you know. Well, yeah, ringtones were turning. I can't really sit here and bitch about that when we had the crazy frog back in the day. And we paid money for it. We did. We used money. Well, I didn't, but people did. Money. People paid a lot of money. Like five bucks or something. They paid so much money for the crazy frog and people were flocking to it in their droves that they developed a mobile ringtone chart, which we will never discuss on this podcast except we just did then. But we'll never discuss it in the context of actually saying here's what was big on the mobile ringtone charts this week. Oh, that's a great idea. Oh, s***. That could go in innovation. That could be a whole other podcast. We could do that in the innovations podcast. Yeah, stick that in your search engine optimisation thing. Go and Google whack that. Oh, the GPTs would just be going, I'll give up. I'm not even going to listen to this anymore. This just doesn't make sense. You just explode the GP's brain. What does GPT even mean? I don't know. I've got no idea. Yeah, we just accept it, don't we? Some computer nerd thing, surely. Yeah. All right, are we going to listen to some music? No, I want to find out what GPT means. Are you going to Google that? Yeah, I'm going to Google that. Are you going to Google it or are you going to AI it? What do you choose? What's your choice? Googling or AI-ing? You know what? I'm going to go to ChatGPT. Do we trust it? No. It might talk itself up. Give it a nice. Oh, yeah. I'll be nice to it. I'll be like, oh. Hi. How are you going today? Like, should I use a mic? Yeah. No, I'll just type it in there. Oh, hey, dude. What does GPT mean? GPT stands for Generative Pre-trained Transformer. Here's the breakdown. Generative. It generates text, images, code, ideas, summaries, et cetera. Pre-trained, it learns patterns from massive amounts of data before you started chatting with us. Transformer, the type of AI architecture. It's not like that. It doesn't like look at a car and then become the car. It's not an alien. I wouldn't be surprised. It doesn't thrive on Energon cubes. Wouldn't be surprised. No, it's the type of AI architecture it uses, invented by researchers at Google in 2017. No. After it became a verb. Yeah, Transformers are especially good at understanding context and relationship in language. And the chat, for example, in chat GPT means it's packaged as a conversational assistant, of course. Fun fact, the original Transformer research paper was called Attention is All You Need, which sounds more like an indie album than a computer science paper. Is it making a joke? I didn't really stick the punchline, but yeah, it just made a joke. You gave your joke. I saved something in my Instagram while we're on a chat GPT thing. I think the Gen Xers that listen will enjoy this because we are feeling that, you know, it's all kind of doom and gloom and it is a little bit concerning. What is? The fact that we're not embracing the AI or the fact that our AI is on the rise? The AI things. I think we're just a little bit of fear of the unknown. Yeah, of course. Yes. Now, where is it? It's human nature to be afraid of the unknown. I heard an interview today about AI in creative spaces and the man being interviewed said, AI is data and data can only look backwards. Yes. Creativity looks forwards. Oh, right. See? Okay. So that's fitting. AI is a snapshot of the past being sold as the future. Yeah. See? There you go. On to that for a minute. Yeah. That's why we can't have it in music. Well, we got there in the end, didn't we? Let's actually do the segment now, shall we? Of course. No, that was good. I liked it. Good chat, Mel. Thanks. Thanks. Enjoy that. All right, let's start with the... 250 episodes. We should be good at, you know, I don't know if we're good at anything really. Okay, what are we starting with? I'm taking it off the rails. The UK? Punk rocker. Oh, this one. Oh, I wish I was a punk rocker with flowers in my hair. In 77 and 69, revolution was in the air. I was born too late into a world that doesn't care. Oh, I wish I was a punk rocker with flowers in my hair. That's in the UK, that one, isn't it? That's in the UK, but it was massive here in Australia later in the year. I remember this song taking off. I think September, October. Wow. And I think it was actually the biggest number one single in Australia for 2006. Is that a fact? I'll repeat that information later. It might not be a fact. Using up all my information. Just put it in the GPT or Google it. No, in the Wikipedia list it was yellow, And usually when the song's yellow, it means it's like the biggest charting song of the year. Fair enough. So I'm going by the yellow. Yes. Sandy Tom. Sandy Tom. T-H-O-M. Thom. Yeah. Sandy Thom. She was marketed as one of the first internet success stories because she was streaming concerts from her flat before social media stardom was really a thing. She was into the streaming. Yeah, wow. A bit of a cult following. Very ahead of the curve. Yeah. And people loved it because it's built on nostalgia. So she was wishing that she'd grown up in the simpler, freer days of hippies and punk rockers in the 70s. But critics and punk fans weren't convinced, pointing out that hippies and punk rockers probably were not really. Different scene. Different tribes. At odds with each other. Probably not going to get along. I think that's why this song did well, though, because it speaks to a generation that was starting to get into every. So you know how you did the thing about Gen X's at the start? In Gen X you had a scene, like you're a burnout or you're a jock. Jock. Or a nerd. Exactly. I was in the nerds. Yeah, I was sort of crossing over between nerd and burnout. Yeah, I was like quirky, oddball nerd, not full nerd. But the point is you had a scene. But I was nerd adjacent. So you kind of, well, yeah, so you kind of, well, you tried to sort of wedge yourself somewhere in a scene or a spectrum of scenes. I don't know. Whereas Sandy Tom's like, I wish I was a punk rocker with flowers in my hair. And everyone went, well, that's not the case because we're Gen X and those scenes are completely at odds with each other. But what you find is there's a generation coming through now that were brought up with rap, grunge, electronic music. Dance music. Yeah, like all of the whole gamut of music and they were exposed to all of it. And they didn't, I don't think they felt that they needed to like a particular thing or fit into a particular scene. They just consume all of it. You've just read out my playlist, yes. Yeah, so as a consequence, Sandy Tom wishes she was a punk rocker with flowers in her hair. All the Gen X's started shaking their fists at the clouds when everyone else was like, yeah, that's cool. It was nostalgia too. It's kind of what we're doing now. So she's in 2006 wishing she was in the 70s. Yeah. So that would be the equivalent of today wishing you were in the 90s. Right. And I, oh, my God. I wish I was a doof-doof head with piercings in my ears or something. That hits different, doesn't it? I wish I was a techno Viking. That hits really different. I wish I was an NKOTB lover. With, I don't know, metal studs on my jacket. See, it doesn't make any sense. Yeah. wearing adidas yeah look whatever but it this this song um i think i think a lot of people that were like they weren't sort of angry at the fact that it was like oh poor crookers don't wear flowers they were just like oh bless she's so young you know it was like she'll learn was like that like cute but and so it was nice because it's like oh they wish they were there while i was there you know so yeah i think it made the generation that was there and then the fact that she kind of got that wrong and almost endeared it to them because they're like, oh. Yeah, like when I see people cosplaying the 90s at Fancy Dress and I'm like, that's my culture. And it's like, oh, look out around Sandy Tom while Uncle Joe tells you a story about the 70s. I've still got those butterfly hair clips and the glitter hairspray and the frosty blue eyeshadow. Punk rockers, they didn't wear flowers in their hair. Oh, tell me more. You know, this song hits different for me now. At the time, it wasn't a song that I was a fan of. I actually got quite agitated by it because it took off. It was everywhere. You'd hear it in the mall and it was on ads. And we'll talk more about that. But it was a friend of mine had passed away fairly recently in the last couple of years and their sister, I think it was their sister, sang this song at their funeral. And this person was a musician as well. So now this song really hits different. I can't really look at it in any other context except for the fact that it was the song that was performed at my friend's funeral. And I'm still not a massive fan of the song, but it's just kind of what's happened now is in the filing cabinet in my brain, that's just where that song lives, if you know what I mean. And we were getting into acoustic era too. Yes. A singer-songwriter, sometimes playing an instrument, James Blunt, Katie Tunstall. Well, it's vastly different to what has been put out on the charts at the time as well, I think. So there's that folky edge but also it's kind of like stomp your feet as well and it's a sing-along kind of song and I think that's why. And, yes, you're right, it's that acoustic busker type street vibe that it has. Yes. Here in Australia, Rihanna is still number one with SOS. Would you like some rescuing? Yes. Okay. That was number one in Australia. Should we go over to the charts? Yeah, let's go. All right. SOS, please someone help me. It's not healthy. Oh, that's awkward, isn't it? Because now we've got a back-to-back Rihanna attack. I'm just going to have to do it. I'm sorry. SOS, please someone help me. It's not healthy. For me to feel this way. Oh, you are making work. Me and the rest of the family here singing Where's You Go? I miss you so. Seems like it's been forever. That you're misguised girl Whatever you are I'm all alone And it's you that I want Misguised boy You already know Cause you had a bad day You take me one down You sing a sad song just to turn it around You say you don't know You tell me don't lie While they see me rolling They hating Patrolling and trying to kiss me riding dirty Trying to kiss me riding dirty Trying to kiss me riding dirty Trying to kiss me riding dirty Trying to kiss me riding dirty My music's so loud, I'm swinging Number one, Chameleon Air. Yes, riding dirty. Bad day number two, new entry in at number three. We'll get to in a minute. Where'd you go? Fort Minor, which is the Lincoln Park. Mike Schnoda. Overheard us on the other day. It was so funny. He's like, oh, got to rip my Meteora CD, put it on my Nano. I was like, oh, my God. It's like travelling back in time. Isn't that amazing? Because my parents were like, what can we get him for his birthday? Yes. And he's got a hybrid theory, Linkin Park. And I didn't realise. He's turning into a bit of a Linkin Park fan. Half the other really good Linkin Park songs were on Meteora. I forgot about that bit. And I swore that I had it in the CD cup. I was looking at the CD cup. No, I didn't have it. Anyway, so I said to my parents, oh. thinking it would be an easy get. Yeah, well, yeah. Because you found Hybrid Theory at JB. Piece of cake. I just said, oh, can you get him this album? It's called Meteora. I sent them a picture of the cover. I said, go to JB Hi-Fi. It was a special order. They had to order it in. Yes. And it took weeks. That's right. Should have called it Palava instead of Meteora. And then my brother goes, did you forget you gave me that CD because you hated Lincoln Park in the 2006? Yes. My brother had it all along. I said, oh, no, don't interject now. It's a special order. Just let it go. It's a special order. Just let it go past the keeper. Now he's got to rip it and put it on his nano. They don't listen to the podcast anyway, so they'll never know. It'll be fine. And then Rihanna, double back-to-back Rihanna attack. Yes. She's on the way out, Rihanna, I think. Yes, she is. She is. Well, with that song anyway. But we do have a new entry, Promiscuous by Nelly Furtado. What do you spoke about? The album. Oh, the album. Loose. Loose. And so now the single's out. The week before. Last week. And she's achieving a lot of success. Lead single. Well, lead single for the US. That's an interesting one. We'll get to that next week. Really? That's next week. Oh, where there's too much Nelly Furtado news is never enough. Yes. So much Nelly. Yeah, lead single from Loose in the US. And we did already go into great detail about the reinvention from pop. Yes. Folky pop sweetheart. Yeah. To this sexy superstar who's teamed up with Timberland, who obviously was everywhere in the mid-2000s. It's the song that's that back-and-forth flirtatious conversation between them. This becomes her first US number one single and launches the biggest comeback in, I reckon, early 2000s. It's such a – did you call that a comeback for her? Well, she had I'm Like a Bird and there was quite a lag between that and this. Well, it's definitely a reinvention and I think we discussed that when we talked about the album as well. Yeah, it's one of those songs where it is like that's 20 years old, you know, because it's still very popular. It still gets trotted out a lot. It stood the test of time, that tune, that particular tune. Yeah, I don't mind it. There was a lot of chemistry between Nelly and Timberland. People were assuming that they were dating. Is that right? They weren't. Just a working relationship, strictly professional. and we'll be hearing a lot more of it. Very good. Over the coming weeks. Yes. We've got an album release as well, yes. Another album release. Not Nelly Furtado this time. It's this fella. Busta. Rhymes. The Big Bang. Yes. Is that what the album's called, The Big Bang? That song was Touch It. It was called Touch It, yes. It's a very suggestive album. Yeah. There's a lot of suggestive music on it. There's a lot of songs we probably can't play. No. We have a lot of beeping. No. Well, there was one on there called, I remember a single off this called I Love My Chick, right? That was with Khalees. The milkshake chick. To my horror when I actually looked at the album, it's not I love my chick, it's I love my bitch. Yeah. It's I Love My Bitch. And then Khaleesa's singing I Love My N Word. Whoa. And I'm like, well, we can't play that on the podcast. That was like my Jaquan revelation when it was everybody in this bitch instead of club. I know. Tipsy. Well, especially. The shocks just keep coming, don't they? 20 years on. As someone who was only exposed to Busta Rhymes really through Saturday morning television a la video hits in amongst like the Pussycat Dolls. When he looked like he was in a cheese grater. Yes, I thought he was much more into wholesome family fun entertainment. When he headbutted the ram too. It's quite vulgar. What was that song? Oh, I don't know. That was good. Break your neck. Oh, break your neck. One of those ones. Yes, anyway, it wasn't the family friendly entertainment that I thought. But the whole album, the whole album, very suggestive. And songs like Touch It, which was the lead single, I mean, well, it's not leaving a lot to the imagination there. No, I think we can guess what he's talking about. Yes. The Big Bang debuts at number one on the Billboard album chart, the only number one album of his career, in fact. Really? This is after he left his longtime label and signed with Dre's Aftermath Entertainment. So this is his first album with Dr. Dre, making it a bit of a career relaunch. There is a lot of collabs on this album. Stevie Wonder, Mariah Carey, Nas, Will.i.am. There is also a track with Eminem that it did quite well as well, not as well as Touch It. Yeah. But yeah, it was peak CD era hip hop. There were lots of guests. Critics liked the album. But, yeah, I don't know. This is where sort of Dre is getting in with Jimmy Irvine. I can't pronounce his name. Irvine. Yeah, you know where we're talking about that. What was that film? That's the Beats guy. The documentary. It's the guy that he did the Beats with. Yes, what was the documentary called? The Beats documentary. Oh, fuck, whatever it was. Anyway, that and then he's got a ground. That's why you're getting those big names like Stevie Wonder and Mariah Carey and Nass and Will.i.am and stuff because they're kind of all starting to move towards that Apple side of things, I guess. Yeah, potentially. Beats by Dre doesn't really happen for about another sort of four or five years, I don't think, but I feel like there's a groundswell there. Yes. Talking out my ass, if I'm being honest. Should we do another segment where I can talk out my ass more? You can have a turn if you like. I'll give my ass a rest. You'll clench it for a second? Yes, I'll just hold it in for a little bit. Keep it closed. Oh, a number one, a new number one at the US. It's back to your bring back the brown eye camp. The US box office and the Australian box office love this movie. Number one, Cars. Where am I? You're in Radiator Springs, the cutest little town in Carburetor County. How about some organic fuel? Take a car wash, hippie. Look, I'm Lightning McQueen, the famous race car. I love you, Lightning! I'm a precision instrument for speed and aerodynamics. You hurt your what? I know his type, race car. I don't mean to be rude here, but you probably go zero to 60 in like, what, 3.5 years? Whoa! When is the last time you cared about something except yourself, Hot Rod? Don't you big city race cars ever just take a drive? Won't you get hip to this time of time? Holy Porsche. Hey, do I spot a little pinstriping tattoo back there? Oh, you saw that? Yeah. Why does a Porsche wind up in a place like this? I fell in love. Oh, Corvette. Utterly absurd film, but it's very fun, very fun. I think I've seen it about 36 times. I've seen it probably as many if not more. It was a great little babysitter, that movie. Cars, the Disney Pixar film. Owen Wilson there as Lightning McQueen. Ka-chow. Yes, I mean, the famous Lightning McQueen. A merchandise frenzy that happened off the back of that with all the little toy cars. I think I've trot on about four or five Lightning McQueen's in the middle of the night, just laid out on the middle of the floor and had a massive dad crash. I'm like, oh, f***ing kachow, you, you bastard. Jesus Christ. It really hurts. Toy Cars and Lego, they hurt a lot. They hurt like hell. Yes, they do. Those rear view mirrors, ouch. What a fun movie though, hey? Yes, yes. Following the incredible run of Toy Story, Monsters, Inc., Finding Nemo, The Incredibles, expectations, Obviously sky high, but we were all very pleasantly surprised. Owen Wilson, as you mentioned. Doc Hudson was voiced by Paul Newman. Yes, that was amazing. Paul Newman in there as Doc Hudson. I think the reputation grew over time as well, thanks to the generation. Larry the Cable Guy as Toe Mater. I love Mater. Toe Mater, yes. Mater was the best character in there. So good. Yeah. heavily inspired by America's Route 66 and the decline of small towns bypassed by modern highways. And you alluded to this before, the real winner, probably not as much as the box office takings as the merchandise. It was a phenomenon in terms of Happy Meals, toy cars. Did they do a Hot Wheels collab? I feel like they did. Yeah, absolutely. Well, I don't even know that they had like little die-cast cars in their own right. They were great. Yeah, yeah. the colouring in books, the sticker books. They've even got Lego now too, Cars Lego. You name it, they've done it. Cars Lego. It's funny because there's a spin-off that they did called Planes about planes. Don't remember Planes. That's right, right? Did anyone care about Planes? It just wasn't as successful as Cars. Yeah, so there you go. But, I mean, we'll probably get to Planes. It comes out sometime. While we're on the vehicle sort of redneck side of things though, Monster Garage, do you remember this show? Well, I didn't remember. I didn't really watch a lot of it, although I am intrigued by it. It had its final episode on the 12th of June, 2006. Hello, everybody. It's a beautiful day here in Indio, California. It's 67 degrees and the wind is coming out of the southwest at six miles per hour. The conditions are near perfect. So sit the kids down, tie up the dog, grab your favorite beverage. The next Monster Garage Challenge is just around the bend. Join us now as Jesse James and his gang of Maverick mechanics rip, grind and burn transforming ordinary street vehicles into monster machines in the Monster Garage I like the music I know, it's great It sounds like an ad for a 90s music festival or something that's headlined by. Or like, no, when you go and see the cars that jump the dirt mounds. What's that called? Oh, the monster trucks. And then the ones that, what about the ones that go around really fast? What were they called? Oh, the sprint cars. The sprint cars. Remember when we used to have that? Yes. I miss that. I haven't seen that for years. That's a lost art, isn't it? The Goulburn International Speedway. Yes. Goulburn Speedways International? Fair dinkum. There you go. Remember that? Yeah. Could someone bring that back? The sort of people that attend those events would absolutely love Monster Garage and they would have been devo'd that it was the final episode. Yeah, crying. Final episode. Hosted by Jesse James. This is the Jesse James who became a little bit more famous later on further down the track for his marriage to Sandra Bullock. It was such an unlikely pairing. Yeah, well, I think the relationship started when she brought her nephew to, Was it the Monster Garage or he was also in the Chopper's show, the custom West Coast customs? You know the dude. You know the type of dude. It's like full Dickies overalls, hair gel, like lots of hair gel, possibly frosted tips, quite a short, almost like halfway between a pompadour and a flat top sort of hair gel thing. Lots of hand tattoos on the fingers. Yeah, hand tattoos, goatee, goatee, no moustache. Yeah. And possibly the silver beads that they'd wear around the neck, the round beads, silver beads, you know, That very new metal kind of, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Ball bearings. Yes, they listen to groups like Cold Chambers. Maybe some eye shadow if they're feeling a bit saucy as well. Bit of guy liner. But they look tough. Bit of guy liner. They still look tough. Yeah, and a rag poking out of the back pocket. Yeah, that's right. So tough that they actually turned. Maybe a bandana too. Turned cars into monsters. And I think she took her nephew either to the monster garage or to some other garage and that's how they fell in love. When Sandra met Jessie. Yeah. But, yes, this show, back to this show, the gimmick. gimmick. You take an ordinary vehicle and you transform it into something completely ridiculous in a week. Like a monster truck or something. Well, there was one that they upcycled a lawnmower to mow a football field. There was a school bus that became a pontoon boat. Yep. Absurd. Just unnecessary. Absurd stuff. Completely unnecessary stuff. Americans with too much money. You know, Discovery Channel just opening up a checkbook. How can we go further than Pimp My Ride? How can we go further than a fish tank in the boot of a car? Yep. Let's make a pontoon school bus boat. And we made 2006 love this shit. Well, we were done with it actually because it finished. Well, we were sad. It would probably make way for something else, like another show. There was American Shopper as well. Well, I think maybe we moved on from this to duck hunting yet. Not yet. Because it's got to happen. It's coming. You know, the writing's on the wall. It's coming. I love the duck hunting camouflage. Can I just say of all the camouflages, it's the most interesting. Yes. It's the most interesting camouflage. A selection of shrubs. Wouldn't wear it. Wouldn't wear it myself. Nice selection of shrubs. But it's very interesting. It's going to be the undergrowth or the upper growth. It doesn't matter. It's very autumn. Yeah, it is very autumn. Very autumn. So the appeal wasn't the finished product in this show. It was watching people somehow make a terrible idea kind of work. Yeah, right. And it was a reminder of back when reality TV was building an entire series around a niche hobby and everyone loving it. Like duck hunting. Oh, we've got TV shows we didn't watch. We've got books we didn't read. Now, have you renamed this segment? No, it's just books we didn't read. Okay. What do you... We didn't read. I thought it was just books. No, it's books we didn't read. You've added that on there. That's a big call. Sometimes we have... There's been one or two occasions where we've read the book. That can be handled... That can be handled with a simple disclaimer at the head of the segment. No, it's fine. It's fine. It's under control. Well, this is definitely one I didn't read. I don't know. You strike me as potentially a Patricia Cornwell fan. Did you read At Risk? I did not read At Risk by Patricia Cornwell. So thankfully the title of the segment, Not at Risk, Everything Under Control. What is this? What does she do? She does like murdery, mystery stuff. So I've got some music. It's called The Grid by Savk and it's powered by this YouTube channel called Breaking Copyright. That sounds illegal. It sounds nefarious but it's actually a good way to get copyright-free music and if you credit them, hopefully you do the right thing. It said, please cut and paste this in the description. And I'm doing a verbal cut and paste here. But I think I've done enough of it now so I can actually get on with the synopsis. A Massachusetts state investigator is called home from Knoxville, Tennessee, where he is completing a course at the National Forensic Academy. Oh, did you ever do that? Were your parents like, you know, mum or dad would go away for a course from work? To the National Forensic Academy? Maybe not the National Forensic Academy, but they'd go away on a course. Interstate? Yeah. No, my dad did like a night course that went for like five weeks or something. Something like that, yeah, a training thing. I remember that. But it wasn't the forensic academy. My dad worked for the bank and he had to go away for a course. And I'm like, you better bring me back a present. Oh, yeah, we used to. I actually don't like to. Oh, no, my dad went to conferences and my brother would always ask him to bring back space food sticks. Yeah, exactly. Why? I don't know. Your father's not an astronaut. I know. I think he asked him once and dad forgot. So then he just asked him every time he went away. and I don't think my brother ever got his space food sticks. You do realise they sell them at Woolworths. Okay, let's get back into this. Maybe you should tell my brother. He's completing a course at the National Forensic Academy. Okay, good. His boss, the district attorney, attractive but hard charging, is planning to run for governor. Hard charging? Yes, hard charging. What's hard charging? I'm just reading the words. Okay. And as a showcase, she's planning to use a new crime initiative called At Risk. She's going to the National Forensic Academy course. With her PowerPoint. She's going to show off at risk. It's motto. She needs to bring some Mentos to just kind of sweeten them, you know, give them a little handout before the presentation starts. Look, I go with fruit. I think it depends on what time of day. Mint is good for the morning if they've had the coffee. Yeah, and then fruit in the afternoon. Conference is the word. Fruit in the afternoon at conferences. What the f*** is going on with this book? Oh, in particular, she's been looking for a way. No, you didn't say the motto about risk. At risk, its motto, any crime, any time. Oh, that's good. In particular, she's been looking for a way to employ cutting-edge DNA technology and she thinks she's found the perfect subject in an unsolved 20-year-old murder in Tennessee. If her office involves, oh, sorry, if her office insolves the case, it ought to make them all look pretty good. Right? Right. Right. Her investigator is not so sure, not sure about anything to do with this woman, really, But before he can open his mouth, a shocking piece of violence intervenes. An act that shakes up not only both their lives, but also the lives of everyone around them. I wonder if it's just the lives of the people that are on the course. Like if they're at the training course. It's not a random event. Is it personal? Is it professional? Whatever it is, the implications are very, very bad indeed. And they're about to get much worse. Sparks fly. Traps spring. Twists abound. This is the master working at the top of her game. Do you think they did, like, some trust exercises? So did you assume that her showcase was at the National Forensic Academy course? I thought maybe, yeah. Oh, I took it as two separate events. Oh. No, I think you're right. I think it might be at the same thing. That would make sense. I think it would make sense. Because it would be a lot of effort for Patricia to write about two separate events. Yeah, I agree. And how much better is the synopsis made just quietly by that music, the grid, by... Yeah, it's good. Powered by breaking copyright off YouTube. There you go. Check out their channel. At risk. Let's see what people do. Reviews. What have we got? Sporty Rod one star. Sporty Rod. Was settled on two stars until the undercooked ending. Disclaimer, I read this whilst sick and may have had a case of the grumps. Oh, do you think so? Sporty Rod? You should change your name to Grumpy Rod. Yes. Penandra. Penandra. It sounds like a plant. It does, doesn't it? Oh, I went over to Nana's house and the Penandras are in full bloom. Divine, divine Penandras. Geez, they look good. They give off, they're quite pungent though, the Penandras. Yeah, it's not the kind of smell I expected. No, it's very musky, very musky, the Penandra. This one is so bad, I don't even want to pass it on to the rummage sale at church or the bag for the thrift shop. I'm not sure that I can, in good conscience, foist this onto some poor, unsuspecting Cornwall fan. Well, penandra. Foist. That's good, isn't it? Penandra. That is a great use of the word foist. It's kind of yeetish, isn't it? Yes. It's a year older yeet. Imagine if your search engine, what if it went the other way around? What if a verb became a search engine? Because I'd like to look something up on foist. Yeah. Oh, dear, those search results. Check that on your home house computer. Let me foist that for you. Grace Rodriguez, one star. Yeah, at risk of feeling like you're having a stroke because the sentence structure, writing style, a dialogue are just that bad. What? What? Wow. She's leading by example? Is she trying to illustrate something there? I don't know. I got this book from one of those free libraries people have in their yards. When I opened it up, there was an orange sticky note. What do you think makes a story good? What's your favourite story? From Ruth. Oh, Ruth. All the books I got from that library had notes from Ruth. Ruth, if you're reading this and or listening, I love you and thanks for the subtle warning. Love heart emoji. Isn't that nice? Ruth's got a community library and puts a little note in there for people to think about before they read the book. Yeah, and pose a question before there's even time to ask a question. Well, hang on a sec. Ruth, I haven't even opened the first page. I'll let you know after I've read this one. Steve Sh*tstone. Sh*tstone. Oh, my goodness. See, I haven't got my glasses on. I haven't worn my glasses because we're on camera for the podcast. Steve Sh*tstone. Sorry, I actually read that as Sh*tstone. That's not even a joke. I just actually thought it was a quirky name. You thought someone had that as their last name? Steve Sh*tstone. I don't think Goodreads would allow someone with the last name Sh*tstone. Anything is possible on Goodreads. One star from Steve Shillstone. Reads like an undeveloped synopsis. Oh, that's scathing, Steve Shillstone. Shillstone. Lee, one star. Oh, yes, Lee. What's Lee say? I felt that all of the action happened behind the scenes and I struggled to keep up. It was almost like I read spark notes with the dialogue left in. Elizabeth, one star. A collection of farts entering the world through paper. Wow, that's scathing. I do really love it and I love that we're only doing... A collection of farts. I mean, I just want to pat us on the back for a second. Entering the world through paper. Yes, a collection of farts entering the world through paper. That's beautiful. I've noticed something and I think our attraction to these one star reviews in Goodreads is there's a bit more to this because whenever I've searched for a review for something, like a product or service, when I've Googled it, when I've searched for a review, when I've foisted, when I've gone for a review. When you've gone for a foist, yes. I'm not interested in the five-star things. No. I'm not interested in what's right with something. No. I'm generally always... What's wrong with it? What the f*** is wrong with it? What do the people hate? Uh-huh. That's good. So based on all of this, I'm never going to read this book. No, no. It's been helpful. No, I don't think so. Oh, time flies when you're foisting things onto the podcast. Thank you very much for listening. Oh, no, we've got to do this, don't we? Haven't got my glasses, forgetting where I am in the show. Oh, my goodness. It's going really well. Oh, dear. Yes. Gen X is. You all right? Yeah, I think so. Don't have a nap. No, I will after this, actually, I think. Just a little lie down. It's the Hatches, Matches and Dispatches clue. A celebrity this week having a birthday that said this. A celebrity that said this to David Letterman, in fact. We're fraternal twins. Fraternal twins? Yes. And the other kind would be what? Identical. Identical. When you're, I think, identical to come from the same egg and fraternal, I think. Yeah, I never understood that myself. But the important thing is you're both here. We're both here. That's right. Yes, well, they were there. They were on there. Isn't it fraternal and paternal? Fraternal and paternal. I don't know. Not fraternal and identical? I don't know. I don't know. All I know is that if, you know, parents of twins, man, they do it hard and they do it well. It's a challenge. Could you imagine? No. Just one is hard enough. Imagine having twins. If you said Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen, it would be great. I feel like we've done something about these guys before and I don't know if we. We talked about their make-up and we've talked about their New York minutes. But we didn't talk about their birthday. Oh, we may have. We're up to episode 250. Who knows what's happened? I don't even remember what happened in the last episode. Exactly. I don't know. We've probably boomed the same thing repeatedly. I know I've told the same story at least three times. And I need my glasses and I don't know what segment we're up to. Yes, let's talk about the Elsons. Yeah, I feel foisted. Became famous sharing the role of Michelle Tanner on Full House as babies. Late 90s, early 2000s, basically their own entertainment industry. Is this a milestone birthday for them in 2006? They're 20. Oh, there you go. So they're 40 now. Wow. Isn't that crazy? Michelle from Full House is 40. The little baby. Yes, milestone birthday. Yeah, well, she's the one when you got it, dude. Yeah, that's the one. Yeah. So annoying. Movies, books, dolls, magazines, clothing line, direct-to-video adventures. If you're a millennial girl, they were unavoidable. Yes. Among the first child stars to become genuine business moguls. So they were turning 20, this time 20 years ago. This is when they're sort of moving from that child star era into fashion icon. They were seen to be more boho. Remember the big glasses and the big bags and the big overcoats? I feel like they were really protected as a brand, the Austin Twins. Like, I mean, there was still a bit of mystery to them, I guess. You didn't see them out partying like other child stars. No, not really. But, I mean, there was still all the tabloid comments on their weight and all of that sort of stuff. Yeah, that's right. Skinny and stuff like that, but whatever. I mean, they were world dominating when they were 20 years old, were they not? Absolutely. So they would have a pretty good birthday. Every magazine was obsessed. So they used to be in like your total girl when they were younger and then they sort of moved into who and people and paparazzi chasing them around. We're always interested in what they wore, who they dated. And now their sister Elizabeth is probably the more famous Olsen. Well, I feel like for anyone younger than millennial. Yeah. They wouldn't even know who they are. No, they'd be like, who? Who? Oh, they're sisters of her. Oh, okay. It'd be the other way around. Yeah. Because they've basically disappeared from Hollywood. They've both left acting behind to focus more on fashion. Yeah. The Row is their label. a very respected luxury fashion brand and has won lots of major industry awards. Rarely doing interviews these days. Don't blame them. I mean, they've been on camera. Well, they were on camera at nine months old. That's when their acting career started. I mean, that's just, that's a lot. That is a lot. And for years they were probably one of the most photographed. Yeah. It was all a lot. Siblings. I mean, it's a lot for me. This show's been a lot and I think we're at the end of it. So happy birthday to the Olsens. Well, I've still got one more Olsen thing to say, if that's all right. Can I do that? Is it okay or are you going to fall asleep? Be my guest. No, I'm not going to fall asleep. I follow an interesting account on Instagram called Olsen Doodles and they haven't been as active lately. They take famous pictures of the Olsens and you know the continuous line drawings where it's just one line and it does the whole drawing? Yeah. They do a continuous line drawing of very famous Olsen photos. Oh, good. It's called Olsen Doodles. and it's on a bright coloured background with a continuous line drawing of one or maybe two of the else. You just never know what's going to pop up in Olsen Doodles. Right, I thought that was going to be like my hope. So for anyone who's interested, at Olsen Doodles. When you said Olsen Doodles, I thought it was going to look like one of my high school textbooks. Giant doodles on everything. We're definitely at the end of the show now. It's time to go. It's gone from bringing back the brown eye to drawing s*** on pictures of the Olsen streets. What? That's the end of the show. And, look, I'm sorry, you probably won't want to listen again after that comment. But anyway, if you do, we'll be back next week. You can come find us on the socials in the meantime. Search for T-20 Podcast. Episode 250 in the books. A new high, a new standard set for podcasting and consistency, courtesy of your illustrious host, Jo and Mel. Anything going on next week, Mel? Oh, Taylor Swift. Yes. What? Can you believe it? She's entered the chat. She has. Taylor Swift has entered the chat, ladies and gentlemen. Where it all began. It's fascinating. Ground Zero. Fascinating. Tay Tay, Ground Zero. Next week, TT-2020 with JoJo and Mel Mel. See you next week, mate. Bye. 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