The week Taylor Swift’s origin story began

Rewind to 18–24 June 2006, when Pluto got some new friends, a teenage country singer quietly launched a global empire and everyone suddenly learned what drifting was.

🤠 Taylor Swift starts the long game
A 16-year-old Taylor Swift released her debut single, ‘Tim McGraw’. It was a clever country song about hoping someone remembers you when they hear a favourite artist. Turns out the real story was that nearly 20 years later, the entire world would remember her. 

🌌 Pluto's glow-up era
Pluto officially named its two newly discovered moons, Nix and Hydra, turning our favourite tiny planet into a full-blown mini solar system. Scientists were celebrating, school posters still had nine planets and nobody realised Pluto was only weeks away from one of the biggest demotions in science history. 

🐢 Goodbye Harriet
Australia said farewell to Harriet the Galápagos tortoise, who died at the incredible age of 176. She'd lived through six British monarchs, possibly met Charles Darwin and spent her final years becoming an unlikely Australia Zoo celebrity. 

🕺 Shakira breaks the planet
"Hips Don't Lie" was absolutely everywhere. The horns hit, millennials activated and Shakira's already-finished album suddenly became one of the biggest success stories of the decade. School discos, weddings, sporting events — there was no escape. 

🚗 Tokyo Drift confuses everybody
The Fast & Furious franchise ditched most of its cast, moved to Japan and started talking about drifting. Fans weren't sure what was happening, but they were about to spend the next six months putting giant body kits on virtual cars and pretending they understood JDM culture. 

⭐ America's Got Talent begins the chaos
NBC launched a talent show where singers, magicians, comedians, ventriloquists, dancing dogs and people making questionable life choices could all compete for a million dollars. Reality TV had officially entered its ‘anything goes’ phase

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The year is 2006. We head to the hills and learn reality is scripted. Your Sony Cyber Shot uploads 462 blurry regrets. A Facebook poke makes everything complicated. And Twitter's like, cool story, you've got 140 characters. Go. T-minus 20. Rewind 20 years with Joe and Mel. Week of 18, June 2006. T-minus 20. I'm getting a sexy bag. I want to forgive you. T-minus 20. I hate this long decent relationship. And I want to forget you. You have no style or sense of session. This is a beauty. This is very nice. Yeah, boys. 

Remember when Pluto was still a planet? Talent shows hadn't yet taken over every screen on Earth, and Taylor Swift was just a teenager with a guitar and a dream. Well, welcome to T-minus 20, the podcast that rewinds to the exact same week 20 years ago and asks the important questions, why did every movie suddenly involve drifting? 

How did Shakira make an entire generation incapable of standing still? 

And could anyone in 2000 predicted that the girl singing Tim McGraw would one day break the internet by simply existing. No, not possible. 

Each week we're diving into the news, movies, music, TV, tech, tech, and pop culture that shaped the mid-2000s. Not tech and innovation. 

We're having a dig from the previous episode. 

A healthy dose of nostalgia, hindsight, and the occasional Unnecessary, maybe necessary tangent. 

Yes, look, if you've not joined us before, my name's Joe and that's Mel over there having a go at me for my previous indiscretion. And this is what is happening this week. 

Back in 2006, scientists using the Hubble Space Telescope made a surprising discovery. Two new moons orbiting Pluto, later named Nix and Hydra. At the time, Pluto was still in the middle of its planet versus dwarf planet identity crisis. 

Poor old Pluto, having that identity crisis. And then, you know, it just gets even more complicated when Nixon Hydra move in and say, hey, where are your new moons? 

Tires are slipped. When you drift, if you ain't out of control, you ain't in control. Still need a dictionary. 

Yes, still need a dictionary for that. Tokyo Drift. Tokyo Drift officially saves the Fast and Furious franchise, I believe. 

And we all learn what drifting is. I don't think we knew before that. 

No. 

But I was trying to do it in my Pulsar. I remember. It doesn't work very well. 

I remember when this came out, everyone's like, Another Fast and Furious movie. 

Cars was sick. 

Another Fast and Furious movie. 

When you think to my love, I hope you think my favourite song. 

There she is, sounding so country. 

Can you believe we're at the week where it all began for one Taylor Swift? 

This is it. Ground Zero. The world is going to meet Taylor Swift. 

And it wasn't really across early days, Tay Tay, and it's an interesting story. 

Is it? Can't wait for that one, then. Any other interesting stories before we move on? 

Of course. Of course saved in my nostalgia folder on Instagram. I've got a new survey to do, actually. That was signed up. I've got to do a survey on packaging. 

You'd love your surveys. 

But I've signed up. 

Yeah. 

I was doing a survey on returns policies and I filled up with free text comments because I had a lot of views, had a lot of thoughts on that. Now I'm going to help them with packaging. But I had my say on packaging. 

I don't know how smart it is to say that you love surveys in a public forum because then you'll just be forever doing surveys. So I guess if you love them, it's okay. 

I've had one where I agreed over the phone and I said, I just can't do it right now because we were going out to dinner and I was nearly home. I was like, I'm just about to go out to dinner with my husband. So could you call back? And I gave them a time and they rang back at that time and I was on another call and they've been trying to ring me for the last, I think, four weeks. 

You're playing hard to survey. 

I am. I don't mean to, because my phone's now got this thing where it screens. And then I press the wrong button, and then I can just... Oh, yeah, the screening thing. Yeah, I just... I'm sorry, survey people. I really want to take this survey. It sounds like a good one. Yeah, well, call her back now. 

She's free now. She's doing a podcast. Don't worry about it. You could do it live. We'll do it live. 

I came across a thing that said that people are sharing the most millennial thing they still do on a regular basis. There's so many, because to me, the millennial is still the young generation. The millennial in my mind is still the youth of today. But I feel like they're still kids. 

They're not. 

I feel like they are. So when I come across millennial, well, I think we're Gen X with millennial rising. It depends which you read, but we're on the cusp of millennial. 

Yeah, millennial. 

Can't even say it, that's how old I am. 

Moronial. 

Anyway, they asked for, they did a survey and they asked for millennials to share the millennial thing they still do on a regular basis. 

Right, what's the outcomes of, did you participate in this survey? 

I'm not a millennial. I'm a Gen X of the millennial rising. 

Trying to, I'm trying not to date you, but okay, sure. 

No, I'm not. I can't lie on a survey. 

No, you can't. That's otherwise the data's corrupt. You don't want to corrupt the data. 

Yeah, exactly. 

Okay. All right, Gen X reading millennial stuff. 

Phone is for fun internet, open brackets, posting, close brackets. Computer is for serious internet, open brackets, booking flights, close brackets. 

Yes. this is where we're on the same page. We're not as different as what we once thought we were, Gen Xs and millennials. We are a little bit more aligned. 

We did use to sh*t on them a lot, didn't we? 

Yeah, we really did. We hated them. But now I feel like we're not that far apart. 

Yeah, The most millennial thing you still do on a regular basis, end most texts with lol so they know I'm not mad, lol. 

Yeah. 

I do that. I do that. 

Yeah, but maybe I'm really mad, but I don't want them to think that I'm mad. 

Because lol can be seen as they're just putting that there to soften what they told me. 

Yeah, to soften the blow. 

Yeah, they're actually really annoyed. 

Yeah, like you're a f**k wit. 

LOL. 

Yeah. 

Most millennial thing you still do. Repeat my phone number two times when I leave voicemails for people to call me back. Like caller ID doesn't even exist. 

I do that all the time too. But I think it's the former radio announcer. I mean, it's like that number again. You know what I mean? And if you're one of the first five callers, I'll probably screen you and **** ** answering it. 

Yes, especially if you're a survey. Sorry again. Most millennial thing you still do, me and my side part are together until the coffin. Do you have a side part? I used to, and then I was told it wasn't cool. Now I've got a middle part. I tried to go back to the side part the other day, but because I've got a fringe, it doesn't work. And then I looked like I looked like an emo. I just noticed because of my fringe. 

I just got rid of the bangs. 

Because I had to, well, they're too long, so I flicked them out. Because I think that's what you do now. 

You flick them out, and then you turn them into a middle part so you don't have the bangs anymore. 

They're called curtain bangs, actually. They have a name. 

Oh, the curtain bangs. You don't want to look like one of the sheepdogs on the cartoons that they're more Ralph, you know, I did. overgrown bangs. 

Dangerous, very dangerous. they ruined whichever one comes after millennials said we don't do side parts anymore. Yeah, But now that I'm getting old and my hair's thinning, I can't do a side part because then there's just no hair on one side. Oh, that's I need to do a middle part. 

How trumpy of you. 

Most millennial thing you still do. Ankle socks for life. 

Oh, yeah. Same. 

I know. 

People are like, you're not wearing any. So hang on, mate. Yes, you are. 

I can't believe that they've gone back to those long socks that you push down. We used to have to wear them to school. And we all hated them because they're supposed to be knee high and then you'd push them down and they'd look like leg warmers. The walker socks. 

Well, now you need to get them. 

The men wore them with shorts to the office. Remember the walker socks? You pull them up and you fold them over and then we'd push them down down in the 90s and then they'd get saturated when it rained and it'd be like wearing soggy sausages on your legs. 

Yes, but these days they're very practical and they need a bit of compression as well because of your fluid retention. You're of the age where there's fluid retention and it makes flying on airplanes very difficult. 

Ankle socks for life. I agree with that one. Most millennial things still do. I still wear my crossbody bags across the body. 

Oh, instead of just a little. 

You don't have to wear crossbody anymore. What are you so helpful about? Because when you wear it on one shoulder and you like shoulder droops, it falls down. 

Who says that you're not allowed to wear? 

A cross body bag? Who wears after millennial or maybe the one after that? I don't know what they're called. 

It's called a cross body bag. 

Yeah, no, you're not allowed to wear them across your body. 

Then it's a simple shoulder bag. Heaven forbid I start talking about different types of bags and assume to know more than you. 

Yes, well no, you can't do that. Peace signs in photos. I never did that. That's a millennial thing. 

I've started doing that more often now. Like I just do it. 

Just to hide something or to distract from your face. 

Just getting into the Japanese kind of culture, you know? 

Oh, okay. 

So I'm like, yeah. 

Why don't you do a thumbs up? That feels more genetics. 

Good on you, mate. You're beauty. 

Yeah. Peace sign. Peace sign feels too young for me. It's too juvenile. 

I have noticed that. is a moment. About 90% of the photos I'm in, I'm always pulling a stupid face. I just, I just, I don't know what it is. I just can't be photographed without going, and doing some goofy face. 

My draw full of random *** cords that go to like 1996 fax machines. Because what if? 

Yeah. 

We need to hook up a Nokia 3210 to a fax machine. You never know. That day could roll around. 

Yeah, you never know. Do you know out in the shed, I think I've got about 7 or 8 jug plugs. 

What's a jug plug? 

You know the jug plug that's still like, it goes like a power at one end. You plug it into electric kettle. or other things that take the jug plugs. It's like the power thing and then there's a block. 

Like the 70s kettles. Yeah, That's like not even something about era. 

A jug plug. They do, they run power supplies and stuff as well. I got three of them. 

What would you ever need to plug that into? I got. 

Three of them and none of them connect to anything because I don't have anything for them to connect to. 

Listening to lose yourself every time I work out. 

I do that. Oh, really? To pump yourself up. 

It's on my list. Yep. Oh, and here's one that I think you and I can relate to. Saying, Cabs are here. 

Oh, cabs are here. 

Whenever an Uber, a cab, or any car arrives in the driveway. 

Yes, the Jersey Shore reference. Oh, I missed that show. Cabs are here, freaking cabs are here. Cabs are here. yes, those were the days. Let's go over to, we say they love this podcast. T-shirt time, cabs are here. Snooki and Co. 

Just snooky in general. 

Just in general. The situation. 

Remember when he headbutt the wall in Italy and he didn't realise it was a cement. It was like cement. Cement wall, not a plaster wall. He had to have a neck. He was in a neck brace in the neck scene. 

That was good. 

That was very good. 

It was. This is good too. The Hatches Matches and Dispatches clue. Little segment at the end of the show. Hatches Matches and Dispatches. This week it is a. 

Dispatch. 

It's a dispatch. Oh my goodness, it's a death. A celebrity, a celebrity that passed away that said this. 

I remember when she joined the show, Fox said, she's not going to have more than a couple of lines in the show, is she? No. Now she's supporting me and everything. 

Yeah, we'll find out who that is. Big influential figure in the entertainment business. We'll find out at the end. 

Me, 21st of June. 

I even did like the big professional point. I felt like I was looking at you. 

I was looking down because I've got the Pauly D's on my lock screen now going, Cabs are here, and I was looking at his hair, so I didn't see you. 

I was like, Coming to you in three, two. 

Wow, sorry about that. would have been good if I saw it, but I was looking at Paulie's hair. 

In your own time. 

Isn't he good? Just whenever you read. Two new moons. Well, I don't think they're... 

Is this part of your bring back the brown eye campaign? 

No, 2 moons. What's better than one? Two new moons. Now, they're not actually discovered. They were discovered, I think, a year ago. But this is the official naming of two moons that are orbiting Pluto on the 21st of June, 2006. Pluto is still a planet at this stage, but not for much longer. So we'll discuss that in a few months. 

In spite of having two moons. 

People were already debating whether it should be a planet or not. That discussion was already happening, but the decision gets made later this year. So, Pluto's moon count jumped from one to three in 2005 when astronomers announced the discovery of the two moons. At the time, they thought there was only one moon, Charon was the name of the moon. Sharon. 

Sharon. 

Sharon. 

I think it's a sure, like a CH is a sure. 

Why would you spell Sharon like that? 

Because they're scientists, because science. Sharon. 

Sharon. 

I'm sticking with Sharon. 

The new moons are named Nix and Hydra this week in 2006. 

Now they sound like Sharon's kids. 

Nix is roughly. 

Nix, Hydra. Stop eating the lumps in the sand pits. 

And Nix is roughly 50 kilometres across and Hydra is 60, so a little bit bigger than Nix. 

Yeah, little moons. 

They orbit much further out than Sharon. Discovery helped scientists learn more about how the Pluto system formed. 

Yes. 

And it was a big deal because, like you mentioned, Pluto's already a hot topic in astronomy circles and in astronomy dinner parties and astronomy gatherings with heated debates about whether it should retain its planet status. 

Yes, and they're like, well, if you had Charon orbiting around you, I think you'd want to be a planet as well. 

And now you've got two more moons. Doesn't that upgrade your, doesn't it help your argument? Like if you've got moons, you should be a planet, shouldn't you? 

I don't know. 

I don't know what the rules are. 

I think planets have moons. 

We didn't know about these moons for a while because they were very faint. 

They were. 

They were a lot dimmer, 5,000 times dimmer than Pluto. 

Well they're very small. They're small moons. 

Scientists found them by analysing old Hubble images. They were originally named S slash 2005 P1 and S slash 2005 P2. 

Yeah. 

Very bureaucratic. 

Yes, until we got Nyx, the goddess of the night from Greek mythology and Hydra, the many-headed serpent. And it did. 

Was a Hydra in Astro Boy, remember? 

Yeah, it was. 

That one scared me. 

Oh, scary, all right. Yeah, Astro Boy had really met his match in that particular one. But we're not talking about that. We're talking about a cartoon dog. 

Yes, sorry. 

So Pluto, this did make Pluto, I mean, this pushed the argument. The thing was, is it looked like a little solar system. Like these things orbiting around Pluto. Did Pluto have rings, perhaps, but they were too faint to see? Was this because of some kind of impact into Pluto that then obviously caused the moon? 

He's starting Pluto rumours now. 

Just throwing a few Pluto, just a few speculators out there for Pluto. 

It also built excitement for NASA's Pluto mission, which had kicked It's helping your business case. 

It's helping New Horizons business case. 

Help us find some more stuff out about Pluto. The timing was impeccable because we had years and years of NASA planning for the mission for the New Horizons. They launched the New Horizons in January 2006. We named the new moons in June 2006, and then in August we get Pluto demoted. 

Oh, wow. 

What a letdown, Here at New Horizons. 

We don't think Pluto is a planet anymore. I mean, that's a bit rough, isn't it? 

Rude. Pluto eventually ended up with five moons. 

How could you not be a planet with five moons? 

Caberos and Styx with a. 

Y. Yeah, like the river Styx, I'm assuming. 

Styx. Wasn't that, wasn't that, wasn't Styx in a band? 

There was a band called Styx. 

Wasn't there a person called Styx? 

Oh, there is, I got the thinking of the drummer from Steel Panther. 

Steel Panther. That's right. 

Styx. 

Styx. 

Styx. That's easy. 

Do you spell it with a Y? 

Styx with a Y and Zedinia with a Z. Styx Zedinia. 

There was a band called Styx. 

It's like, that's, you know, that's like not Gen X. That's probably more whatever the one was before us. 

Boomer. 

Boomers. Yeah, it's a boomer group. 

Styx. Oh. In 2015, New Horizons flew past Pluto and sent back stunning images that completely changed our view of the now dwarf planet. And it remains one of the most passionately defended non-planets in science, because in 2006, most school posters still had Pluto on the chart. 

Yeah. I think it's quite divisive in the science community. I'm sure that there's been many a conference, for example, where maybe at the after conference drinks, some scientists have maybe had a few too many and then maybe punched on over the fact that Pluto is a. If you call it a dwarf planet one more time, I'm going to you up. 

All right, back on Earth. Back on Earth on the 23rd of June. Oh, we've got some sad news. Harriet. Harriet does. 

Oh, that's right. Harriet the Galapagos tortoise. This creature is incredible. The Galapagos tortoise Harriet. I know because she was at Australia Zoo with Steve Irwin. 

We're celebrating Harriet's 168th birthday. Woo! Happy birthday, sweetheart. On this adventure, we're going to take you to meet her relatives. Before finding a home at Australia Zoo, Harriet travelled the world. We will follow her footsteps and explore the islands where this giant Galapagos land tortoise was collected in 1835 by the great naturalist Charles Darwin. 

So that was, she was, that was at 168th birthday that they celebrated there. 

I'm sorry, but at 168. 

Yeah. 

I just would not have time for Steve Irwin's antics. I'd just be like, dude, just ******* chill. I just had too much party poppers and your crikey's. Just give a girl a break. 

This party's more about me than it is you. 

Far out. 

More about you than it is me. 

Had enough, Steve? 

Well, interestingly though, Harriet the Galapagos turtle, because so she was 168 there, she lived on to be 176 and that's when she passed away at 176 years of age at Australia. Zoo. She was a very much loved resident there. But she, as you would have heard in the sound bite, also, she was found by Charles Darwin. 

Well, that was, I don't know if it was proven. 

It was on the Crocodile Hunter Show. It's true. 

That was one of the most famous claims about her. 

That turtle, that turtle, oops, that's going to **** the scientist off. That tortoise, that tortoise, what's the difference? Tortoise has got toes. 

Is that the difference? 

Yeah, turtles. I don't think have, I don't know. 

Which one bites you? 

The turtle, like a snapping turtle. A turtle. 

They'd probably both bite you, wouldn't they? 

I don't know what the difference between a turtle and a tortoise is. This is terrible. 

I think the tortoise is bigger. Harriet weighed around 150 kilos. 

Yes, she was. 

We thought she was born around 1830, had lived through the reigns of 6 British monarchs and one of the oldest living animals on Earth. 

The same timeline as Charles Darwin and the crocodile hunter. 

Well, yes. So the most famous claim about her is that she may have been collected by Darwin during his visit to the Galapagos Islands in 1835. So if it was true, He personally bridged the gap between Darwin and smartphones. 

Yeah, right. 

Pretty amazing. 

Yeah. Turtles live most, tortoises live mostly on land, like the Galapagos tortoise. 

Oh, right. 

Whereas turtles usually live in the water. In around in the water, but they're all part of the same reptile family. There you go. 

Was the toe thing true? 

No, the toe thing is totally... Oh no, a turtle has webbed feet or flippers. Yeah. Whereas A tortoise has stumpy elephant-like. 

Oh, they have toenails, don't they? I recall. 

I was close and I should have remembered because I mean, this is like basic. 

Were you a tortoise nut in your young age? 

No, but I mean it was something that we would have learned in school or on Sesame Street or something. It's been a while. Charles Darwin, Steve Irwin, the crocodile hunter would have told you. 

Harriet's favourite foods were hibiscus flowers, watermelon and paw paw. Spent much of her life incorrectly identified as a male tortoise. 

Oh, did she? 

Huge. My parents did that. 

What? 

They got a dog called Louie and then they found out Louie was a girl. 

Oh my God, how do you not know? 

I mean, well, they didn't look. They were being polite. 

Remember we had a cockatiel named Wally. And then Wally laid an egg. 

So I mean, we're just as bad. 

Well, yes, but I'm not very good at sexing cockatiels. Not A cockatiel sexer by trade. I find birds very hard to sex. I'm not a, I mean, and I'm not a Galapagos tortoise sexer either. 

It wasn't until decade later that her sex was confirmed. 

Really? By a fully qualified, certified Galapagos tortoise sexer. Yes. 

What a job. Harry remains one of the oldest tortoises ever recorded. But modern research suggests that some may be capable of living beyond 180 years under ideal conditions. And the eerie thing too, her death occurs just a few months before Steve Irwin's own death. He dies this year in September. So extra poignancy in hindsight. 

Really? Well, I mean, but not related, you know. There was no connection between the two crimes. 

To the music now, and we'll start. 

It's under more positive things. I'm a bit sad about Harry. 

That was sad, but you should look she had a good life. Yes, she did. That's a long time. Those biohackers would be way jealous. 

Yes, they'd be like trying to splice some. Yeah, exactly. 

Put that in your biochemistry. 

Korean skin care companies. 

Grind it up and put it on your face. 

Bits of Galapagos tortoise shell, can I? 

Your bits of who knows? Wacky. Okay, UK. So this is what we alluded to last week. So Nelly Furtado's album Loose is Out. 

Yes. 

And her song Promiscuous is choshing over in the States. But #1 in the UK, Interesting. 

A bit of a theme to the album Lucy, a promiscuous girl and man-eater. 

Interesting. This was the first release in the UK. It was promiscuous. It was number one over and released, the first one. 

Released over the years. Well, did it go, it went to #1 too, didn't it? In the UK. 

In the UK, yes. And she said it's not literally about some evil femme fatale destroying men. She described it more as being about confidence and ego and people getting caught up in their own image, being the hot person at the the club. I watched the video clip to it today and it starts off with her walking her dog Toby. Toby, I don't know if Toby is a Great Dane or a Doberman, kind of something in between that. And Toby sees a cat and Toby runs off after the cat. So she chases after Toby. And then she ends up in a warehouse. She goes into this warehouse looking for Toby. Where's Toby? Looking around the warehouse. Then she goes into a room and it's full of all these beautiful half-naked people that have these eyes that look like wolves. They had those weird contact lenses in and they're all staring at her. So what does she do? She just starts dancing. 

Right. 

And then they all start dancing and then they're grinding and it's sweaty and they're all beautiful. And all their clothes are coming off and all I could think of is where the **** is poor Toby? 

Right, there's a lost dog. 

There's a lost dog and you are just like stripping off and grinding on these wolf people and we've lost Toby for ****** sake. 

Did they find Toby in the end? 

It's very stressful. 

Was there a conclusion? 

I fast forwarded. Just to find out what happens. Because I was like, I can't deal with this. 

I can't deal with it. 

Like she went from like a corporate shirt down to a t-shirt and then she's wearing a white Bond singlet. I was just like, this is too much. Stop stripping off and go and find Toby. So we get to the end, she's still dancing and then she just sort of walks out. 

Somebody post something on the community notice board and say, no, please make sure you post this on the lost pets community notice board. This isn't the notice board for lost pets. This is the notice board for people who like to grind on people with wolf eyes. 

She walks out. from the Woolfire people and just like, see you later. And then she sees Toby and then she smiles. So it was just coincidental that Toby turns up when she's finished her dance, but she wasn't actively searching for him at the end. He was just there. 

Was Toby like a shape shifter? Was Toby like maybe the head of the Woolfire people? And maybe Toby wanted to take that whole relationship a little bit further. 

I didn't think of that. 

Which is... 

No, but Toby was in a different room. You know what? Toby was outside of the warehouse. Toby wasn't in the warehouse at the time. 

You say you didn't think of that, and it's probably best that you don't think of that. Anyway, it's very worried. Yeah, good on you, Nelly Furtado. Man-eater #1 over in the UK. What have we got? Let's go to the charts over in the States. Because you had a bad day. 

Take me one day. You sing inside a song just to turn it around You say you don't know, you tell me don't lie. 

Meet me in a trap, it's going down Meet me in the mall, it's going down Meet me in the club, it's going down I miss you, it's girl Whatever you are, I'm all alone And it's you that I want. 

I miss you, it's boy. 

You already know They see me rolling They hating Patrolling and trying to kiss me riding dirty Trying to kiss me riding dirty Trying to kiss me riding dirty Trying to kiss me riding dirty Trying to kiss me riding dirty. 

I know I'm on the light My hips don't lie I'm starting to feel it's light All the attraction and tension Don't you see, baby, this is perfection Boy, I can see your body moving Half and more half, man I don't, don't really know what I'm doing. 

Whoa, Shakira. Shakira. Smashing away into the charts over in the States there. 

Number one, riding down to #2, Nellie Furtado, promising it to #3, nothing new, and she will talk about that next week. 

Right, it's going down. It's going down by Young Jock. Yeah. 

And Bad Day #5. 

Was that like Young Jock? I would have thought it'd be more Scottish, like with a name like Young Jock. Like, it's good, Dean. 

Maybe before his voice broke. 

We'll talk, we'll get to that next week. 

Yeah, next week. 

So, Shakira. 

Releases what would become the biggest hit of her career, Hips Don't Lie, absolutely everywhere in 2006. For some reason, in my mind, I feel like Hips Don't Lie was her first song, when I know it wasn't. It's whenever, wherever. But I feel like Hips Don't Lie was way before 2006, but I've fact checked it repeatedly and I'm like, yeah, you're wrong. What was going on in my brain then? I don't know. Look who knows. Blends Latin pop, hip hop and dance hall into one giant earworm. was released in February, so it took a little while to become #1, but obviously the best-selling single of one of the best-selling singles of the decade tops the charts in more than 20 countries. countries and featured on a reissue of her album Oral Fixation Volume 2. 

It's just a... 

It's also the name of her tour. It's a terrible name for an album title. Yes, I don't like it either. The album had underperformed initially, but the song completely turned things around. The song actually wasn't meant to exist. It was quickly recorded after the album was already finished. 

An explosion for them. 

And it's built around a sample of Wyclef Jeans or Jeans. Jeans. 

Wyclef Jeans. 

Wyclef Jean's song Dance Like This from the movie Dirty Dancing Havana Nights. 

Oh, that one. 

Yes, ladies up in here tonight. 

Was that a straight to video thing? Dirty Dancing. 

I don't remember it at all. 

No. Is this kind of like Grease 2, right? 

Oh, I loved Grease 2. 

Did you really? Yes. 

Grease 1 and Grease 2. 

Yeah, well that's.. 

Let's bowl, let's rock and roll. 

Okay, that's what I was just thinking, like Dirty Dancing Havana Nights really does sound like the Grease 2 of the Dirty Dancing films. But that's just a theory I have. 

Not for me, because Grease 2 is good. 

I mean, I could be wrong. I mean, it's like me thinking that maybe Nelly Furtado was alluding to the fact that she was having sex with a Great Dane. 

I'm not sure if it was a Great Dane or a Doberman. It looked more Doberman to me. 

Well, the reviews, the jury's still out. 

I'm not 100% sure. I have to go and watch the video. Maybe if I check the comments, someone will identify the type of dog. I'll do that for next week. 

Yes, but Havana Nights. Dirty Dancing, Shakira. 

Yes, and there was a lot of pressure early in her career to sound more American and she said, stuff you, I'm not doing that. And then, good, glad she did that. This remains one of her biggest selling singles, frequently appears on lists of the defining songs of the 2000s. Played at weddings, sporting events, parties, school discos, and that horn section when the millennials just run to the dance floor, as do Gen X's. We all run, we all run with the Sabbath trumpet spilt vodka cruiser guava flavour. 

Do they? 

We get out there and the hips don't lie. 

To do a bit of the hips don't lie. 

My favourite, my favourite about Shakira, remember that story a few years ago? 

The warthog stole her hairbag. 

She went after it and got her hairbag back. 

Unhand my handbag, you filthy warthog. She's number one in Australia as well. 

My hips don't lie, and I'm starting to feel it's fine. All the attraction, tension. Don't you see, baby, this is perfection. Boy, I can see your body moving. 

Did you say half animal, half man? Boy, I can see your body moving, half animal, half man. It's a real bestial, real bestial theme to the music, which is, you know, you were talking before about her wanting to sound, well, then wanting her to sound more American. Well, I don't think they sound much more American than this. 

When you think, I hope you think my favourite song, the one we dance to. 

Where it all started, 19th of June 2006, Taylor Swift releases her debut single, Tim McGraw. 

That's right, there was like life before Taylor and after Taylor. BT and everything now is 80. 

16 year old Taylor releases her very first single, although she wanted to call it when you hear Tim McGraw. But the label said. 

Just drop the when you hear. 

Just go with Tim. 

Do you want to put it in brackets or anything? 

She wasn't sure. 

Yeah. 

Wasn't sure. Just another teenager at the time, teenage country singer trying to get radio airplay. 

Yeah. 

Nobody could have predicted that this was the beginning of one of the biggest music careers in the history of forever. 

Oh, hang on. Oh, yeah, you're probably right. Probably right. But like a very different sound to what we're used to. 

She was country. 

She started out as country. So in 2004, she was born in Pennsylvania, but she moved to Nashville, Tennessee at 14 years old to pursue a career in country music. Now, that's some, you know, that's so interesting because it's like, obviously she's still with her parents. So they're like, oh, we think she's got something here. We're going to upend our entire lives. I mean, how often does, I guess it happens a bit in the states. with the Dream Factory, right? 

I wonder, I feel like there might be a bit of stage mom there. 

Perhaps. It's just not something that you kind of hear of in Australia where it's like, you know, my son is really gifted in the arts. 

We're gonna move. 

So we're gonna go and move so that they can go and, you know. Perform in a production of, I don't know, guys and dolls at the queue in Queanbeyan. 

Yeah, don't be an idiot. You're no good. 

Get a real job. But in Australia, if it was sport, different kettle of fish altogether. Well, we'll move to the other side of the planet. What? He's skiing. Oh, we'll move to Antarctica. He's a good skier. We'll go to Antarctica. Yeah. 

In 2004, so that's when she moves at 14 years old, but she also then signs a songwriting contract with Sony ATV Music Publishing. The youngest person that they've ever signed, and also gets a recording contract with Big Machine Records in 2005. She spends four months towards the end of 2005 recording her debut album, Taylor Swift. 

Self-titled. 

Wrapped up by the time she'd completed her freshman year of high school. So she's still studying alongside the launch of the music career. 

Yes. Now, is this, is she writing about ex-boyfriends yet? Is this happening? 

Yes, this is where it all began. This is where it all began. She's writing the song about a boyfriend who was leaving for college. And she developed the idea for it during maths, during a maths class, apparently. 

She was studying, doing a maths. 

Yes, should have been. 

See, what would you be doing then? 

You'd be doing trigonometry at 14, maybe some algebra. 

There's your answer to how useful maths is in life. Taylor Swift, she just went, ****** maths. I'm going to start writing songs in maths class. And look how far it's taken now. 

She wrote that song in 15 minutes. So she probably still had time to do her cosine and sine. 

A bit of long division, just in between long divisions. 

Pythagoras. thought about how her relationship with her senior boyfriend would end because he was leaving for college. So when you hear this song, I hope you think of me is the general vibe. Oh yeah. After finishing school that day, she went to the offices of Sony to finish the song with co-writer Liz Rose and they completed the track on a piano. And according to Rose, she came with the idea and the melody and knew exactly what she wanted. 

The sad thing, I mean, he's going off to college. He's not thinking of you at all, do you? Like, I'm sorry. He's got the newfound freedom. 

He's out doing, like, if he were that guy, I'd be going around going, that was me. That was me. I was the first one that she wrote about. 

Yeah. And he kind of. 

Forget about John Mayer and whoever else she's written about over the years. 

This is all kind of, this is all. I kicked it off. But it's like when you hear this song, I hope you think of me, it's really nice. It's not like that Alanis Morissette level of. it's not that kind of breakup, it's just a breakup where it's like, it's a soft breakup. It's a conscious uncoupling. 

Yes. 

It's not that they cheated or anything like that. So, I mean, that's all still to come. Yeah. 

She didn't think it would be her first single and her label disagrees. So not let's do it. And when you think about it, she's trying to break into the country music scene. And then she's name dropping Tim McGraw. 

She's name dropping Tim McGraw. 

And if anything, it's going to. like a bit of curiosity, surely. Be like, what? Why? is this called? Why? 

Mrs. McGraw will be like, why is this 16 year old girl writing songs about you, mate? Oh no, it's not like that. No, it's not. 

She even chose who was going to produce it, a guy by the name of Nathan Chapman who produced demos for other artists in Nashville. 

That's just not a very country name, is it? Nathan Chapman. 

At a studio that was a converted one car garage in the back of the offices. 

That's pretty country. 

And the label was a bit skeptical because he'd never produced a commercial album. They'd go, I don't know about this Chapman dude, but she felt they had the right chemistry and well, the rest is history really, isn't it? So her and her mum literally traveled around. This is why I'm thinking maybe stage mum, literally traveled around promoting the song to radio stations. And one radio exec recalled her insisting on playing the songs live from the back of a pickup truck in a parking lot rather than handing over a CD. 

Wow. 

Doesn't that freak of the boardroom, the. 

Showcase of the boardroom. 

But she's like, well, I'm not coming into your boardroom. We're going to sit in my truck and sing, and you can come out here and listen. 

Come out here and listen. Yeah, well, that's part of the hustle, isn't it, really? 

Yeah, That's something. That is the days when that still happened, and they drove around from radio station to radio station. 

It's such a big thing in the States, the hustle, though. I remember even when we were in LA and every second person wanted to sell you their CD or their demo. Yeah, And it just, that just reminds me of that sort of stuff. But I mean, country was stunning. I mean, it's always been massive in the States. 

It has. 

It's probably bigger than a lot of that mainstream stuff in a lot of ways. Even though it's niche, it's just very big. And you've got people like Carrie Underwood. 

It's starting to go more mainstream too. 

Yeah, Rascal Flatts, the Chicks or the Dixie Chicks at the time, but now the Chicks. And then Taylor Swift has come in with something that is like, it sounds country and it's got the same sound and vibe, but it's not something that's actually happened in country music, I don't think before. In that it's that teenage view of things. 

Yeah. 

It's a teenage. 

Because usually it's an older. 

And it's a teenage girl perspective. It's like very Dear Diary, Dolly Doctor sort of stuff, right? Yeah. 

And it's basically the blueprint for future Taylor. the storytelling, the diary style lyrics, singing about loves as well. The debut album goes on to sell millions. Within 3 years, she's then releasing Fearless and becoming a global phenomenon. Nearly, nearly 20 years later, it feels more like, less like a debut single and more like the opening scene of something big. And it's just, I don't know, if you heard that 20 years ago, would you for a moment have thought that this girl is going to go on to be this global superstar selling out tours, becoming totally mainstream, every album is a hit? 

Not really, but also there's, I remember stories from people who had seen seen her, like she toured Australia before she became massive, right? It was like I saw her in a small venue like the Metro in Sydney or some bar or something. And then it's like, the next time she's out here, she's like selling out, 100,000 or maybe 80,000 seat arenas. Just crazy. I mean, that's it. That's the biggest story of the week. Taylor Swift dropped me a theme. But we'll go over it. Indeed. We'll go over to the box office. The number one film in the States is Cars, the Disney Pixar film which we spoke about last week. In Australia, the number one film is the Fast and Furious Tokyo Drift. 

It's called Drifting. What do you mean drift? The cars are lighter. Tyres are slick. When you drift, if you ain't out of control, you ain't in control. Still need a dictionary. 

On the other side of the world, on the wrong side of the law, a new style of racing rules the Tokyo Underground. 

How you guys get away with this? 

And all the best drivers want in. 

Who's a tourist? Let's see what the kids got. Unless race. 

But when you live on the edge, Anything can happen. You came to the wrong place. 

So this is the third Fast and Furious film and it confused everyone because none of the original cast are in this one. So they did 2 Fast and Furious movies and then all of a sudden they did Fast and Furious Tokyo Drift and it was like this little side thing, this little side thing. So instead of LA street racing and muscle cars and Vin Diesel, they go to Japan and they do drifting and stuff in smaller cars. And many fans thought this might be the actual death knell of the series. Just had Lucas Black in there as Sean Boswell. So he was in that show, American Gothic. Remember that short-lived horror series, American Gothic? He was in that child stars. Bow Wow, your mate, is your mate. 

Yes, he's not little anymore. He's Big Bow Wow. His name is ******* in that. 

******* of course. Sun Kang as Han, and it was directed by Justin Lim with a brief cameo, very brief cameo from. Maybe they couldn't afford him. $85 million film opened at #1 in the US box office, grossed about $150. $9 million worldwide, pretty good return on investment. Was actually the lowest grossing Fast and Furious film at the time, probably because it didn't have, you know, Brian O'Connor or Dominic Toretto in it. Nobody, but I guess, and at the time, nobody really was familiar with drifting so much. Like a lot of Western audiences, this was their first exposure to Japanese drift car culture. Unless you were into like video games where it's been happening. 

Yeah, but you know, like I was a Nissan lover from way back. 

Skylines RX-7s, Toyota Supras, and it basically showed everyone what that was. So, you know, I think that there was the orange and black Mazda RX-7 that Han had on there. was the Vale side body kit that became very iconic. The Nissan 350 Zs, the Mitsubishi Lancer Evolutions, the Silvias, Nissan Silvia Drift Cars. It was responsible for a lot of Need for Speed sort of gamers and stuff. 

And lots of spoilers and body kits. 

Yeah, lots of that. It just all looked very plastic. I mean, it was not a great film. Like, it wasn't a very good movie. It was just a bit of character. I mean, the Fast and Furious films. they are what they are. But this is still definitely, I think, one of the weaker ones. And it was purely because it just diverted entirely. 

Yeah. 

And then was still under the franchise. It's like when they did the triple X stuff and it's like, oh, it's still in the Fast and Furious universe. I was like, no, I don't think it is. That's a bit weird because now he's Xander Cage. He's not Dominic Toretto. Like it's all very strange and I don't understand it, but it was all it was all aimed at a very specific demographic. Yes. And you know. It was the, if Taylor Swift is off writing her little 16 year old love song country things, then this is probably what the 16 year old boys were doing really, for being honest. Let's go to TV now over in the States. You know, Guilty Pleasures, I love this show. 

June 21st, two of the biggest names in television, Simon Cowell and Regis Philbin, will come together for the biggest talent search ever held. America's Got Talent. A one in a million chance with a prize of $1,000,000. America's Got Talent, hosted by Regis Philbin this June on NBC. 

It's sorry about the bad audio, but I think it got... 

Did you record that off your TV? 

Yes, well, I recorded off somebody's TV. I think it was maybe in Chernobyl, but it's... I love this show, not because of Simon Cowell, who I don't love, or any of the judges or anything, but I love this show because it's variety. It's variety TV. It's like you go from one act to the next and there's variety. You don't know what's going to happen next. And if you get something that's a bit of a dudge, you can kind of endure it because again, you don't know what's coming after that. 

Yeah, you don't know. I think that's part of the joy. You're not sure what's coming next. And they mentioned Simon Cowell, but he wasn't actually a judge. He was a creator of the show and it was already over in the UK. But he didn't become a judge on the show until 2016. 

Is that right? 

Yes. So it started out with Regis hosting. 

Yes. 

And then we had David Hasselhoff. Oh Hasselhoff was one of the judges from Baywatch because he was pretty big back then. Brandy, the singer and Piers Morgan. 

Oh God, Piers Morgan is a judge anyway. Well, but I mean, you know, it's variety TV, so you can have a variety of judges. Exactly. And that was the thing. Like you would see somebody balancing chainsaws and then there'd be a dancing dog. 

Yes. 

You know, maybe a dog balancing chainsaws. Who knows? 

Novelty performers. 

Yes. And this was kind of, again, where a lot of that early viral content came in as well. 

There were always videos published after the episode, wasn't it? 

Yeah. The real tearjerker things where you get, there was a lot of stuff where you get like, I remember one in particular, I think it was a Got Talent audition where it was a blind autistic guy playing the piano. He was just like, he was really struggling until he sat down and played the piano. And then it was like this amazing moment. So full of moments like that, which you can go and Google yourself. I'm not going to play them all in the podcast. But I mean, it's still going. The show's still going. 

Yes. 

Simon Cowell is a judge on it now, though, I think. 

He still is. 

Maybe Howie Mandel. I mean, Sharon Osbourne's been a judge on there. 

Yeah. 

Lots of people's. Mel B, I think, judged on there at one stage. 

And we've had it here in Australia. 

Yes. 

Is that where the goal that ended up, he got lost and then they found him in a cave. Was he on there? 

Was he a Got Talent person? I thought he was an idol or a pop star, maybe a pop star. 

Oh, I thought he was a Got Talenter. 

Look, I don't know. 

I was in the cave. 

Maybe his agent put him up to it. 

I don't know. That was interesting. 

This will really get tons wagging. I mean, these shows are aimed at attention seekers. 

Oh, yes. 

So it wouldn't surprise me. 

The first winner was a singer called Bianca Ryan at just 11 years old and won $1 million. That's the other thing. The prize was $1,000,000. So let's bring out. It was like a school. It was basically a school talent show. 

That's what I love. But it wouldn't just be singers. It wasn't just singers. You get like. 

What would be your talent? If you had to, if someone rang you up and said, you have no choice. 

Yeah. 

You have to go on Got Talent. So quickly find a talent. What would you do? 

Oh my God. 

Surely there's like some niche thing that you can do? 

That no one else can. 

No one or that no one's thought of doing on the show. 

Anyone could do the **** that I do. Yeah. I just, I just don't, I can't do anything that would go over well with the judges, I guess. 

Yeah, fair enough. 

Do you know what I mean? Like, you're painting me into a corner. It's like, one, two, three, go. It's just, it's not going to end well. I'm going to end up being one of the people that's on the awkward novelty clip, you know, where they use sound effects of crickets or some **** because I've embarrassed myself. I'm really good at embarrassing myself. 

Well, there you go. There's your talent. 

I could probably do that. just embarrassed myself. I just show up and they'd be like, Oh, it's you. 

It produced a lot of stars though, so you never know. Terry Fator, who was a ventriloquist, who did celebrity impressions. 

That's what I was like. you could see, like, you could see a ventriloquist on there. 

He got a Las Vegas residency out of it for years. Grace Vanderwaal, a 12-year-old singer, they said she sounded like Taylor Swift. And she got a, she released music and was in a Disney show. And Shin Lim, who was a close-up card magic guy. Oh, magic. That's actually, that's what I hate about that. There's way too much magic on that show. 

There is, there is way too much magic. I just thought about what my talent is. 

What's your talent? 

I can 2 bucket wash the **** out of a car. So I would, this is what I would do for I've Got Talent, Joe's Got Talent. I would come out and I would, first of all, I would spend probably about two to three hours clay barring the car. It'd be a long segment. 

Very long. 

Clay bar the car just to remove any impurities off the paint. And then I'd go through the two bucket wash process where I'd have a clean bucket. 

Would you be talking us through it or would we just be watching? Would you mic yourself up and explain the process? 

I don't think I might introduce like a little bit of sort of interpretive dance with it. As I'm moving the microfibre cloths over the surface of the car or the clay bar, I might introduce. 

A little bit of choreography. 

But that's not really that's not really the talent. The talent is not to dance while it's just a two bucket wash the car, really. I don't want to dilute from the actual talent. I'm really good at it. 

Okay. 

The cars get a very good point. 

I don't think that's been on there before. That's a new talent. 

Yeah. Put like a Daewoo Lanos up on the stage. Give me a clay bar and some detergent, a chamois. Yeah. And 2 buckets, some water. Way to go. 

It's the show that shifted from can you sing to can you literally do anything that will make people look up from their phones. 

Two bucket wash a car. 

I'd look at that. 

Yeah, see? Be like, well, I don't know what to look at today. I was sitting here on my phone, hang on, there's a bloke two bucket washing a car. from 2 bucket washers to kicking the bucket, the hatches, matches and dispatches clue. And we do have a dispatch this week, a celebrity that passed away way back in 2006 that said this. 

I remember when she joined the show, Fox said, she's not going to have more than a couple of lines in the show, is she? No. Now she's supporting me and everything. 

Now, if obviously a very famous producer in Hollywood referring to his daughter Tory there, if you said Aaron Spelling. You would be correct, of course, Fox saying, Oh, she's only going to have a small role, the ultimate nepo baby. And he's like, Yeah, of course, she's not going to say much in there. She ended up being a main character. But Aaron Spelling passed away on the. 

18th of June, 2006. 

Yes. 

Complications. He had a stroke 5 days earlier and passed away from that at the age of 83 with a private funeral several days ago. 

Buried him pretty quick. He was pretty young. But he was born in Dallas, Texas, 1923, son of Jewish immigrants, grew up during the Great Depression, wanted to be an actor, realized he wasn't that good at it, so decided to write and produce, right? Then he took over television, really. I mean, you think of the shows. 

I had no, like I knew he did a lot, but I was looking at the list today going. 

There's like Steven Jay Cannell, and then there's Aaron Spelling, basically. Yeah, so we're talking like Charlie's Angels, Starsky and Hutch. The Love Boat. How good is the Love Boat? 

Great show. 

Fantasy Island. That was all the 70s stuff. Fantasy Island. The Plan, The Plan, Miss O'Rourke. Fantasy Island. What's your fantasy? And then Dynasty. 

Oh, yes, my grandmother used to watch that just for the costumes. That was her excuse. I only watch it for the costumes. 

TJ ****** with the Shatman, William Shatner. TJ ******. 

TJ Oh. 

Detective show. Very, very big in the States. Not so big in Australia, TJ ******. And you might have been a bit young for it. for it as well. 1990s though, this is where it really comes into the fold for our generation. 

Beverly Hills 90210, gosh, I remember the first time I watched that, I was wearing green jeans. Remember when green colored jeans were in? I was wearing a pair of green jeans. 

And I was like, oh, this show's great. 

It was on a Friday night, 90210. 

Yes, not the green jeans. You wore your green jeans on Friday night for 90210. 

It's a special thing. 

You had your costume. 

Yeah. I don't think I wore them every time, but I just distinctly remember going, God, I love these green jeans. God, I love this show. 

Yeah, and then, well then, grown up 90210, Melrose Place. 

Oh, wasn't that scandalous. 

I loved that show. 

I wasn't allowed to watch it, but sometimes I'd sort of sneak out and hide behind the couch. 

In the lounge room to watch it. So good. It was a really good show. 

Heather Lockley, it wasn't it. 

Heather Lockley was in there. And who was the one that was on? Kimberly. Kimberly, yes. 

Yeah, I can see it. 

She was a Desperate House was. Kimberly, Kimberly Melrose Place. 

The redhead. 

Favourite character? 

Yeah, she was great. 

Great character. Seventh Heaven, of course. 

I didn't know that was him and I didn't know Charmed was him. I didn't know that. 

Oh, he's like so many. The list goes on. 200 TV series and TV movies. Like interesting, interesting. dude as far as, living the American dream, coming from nothing and becoming the biggest name in TV. 

Yes, and I remember the big deal once she got famous in 90210, it was all about the house. 

Oh yeah. 

The spelling manor. Remember, it was like, I don't think it was ever on Cribs, but it was just this, infamous house because it had 123 rooms. It was bigger than the White House. It had a bowling alley, a beauty salon. They had a room for wrapping freaking gifts. 

A gift just a gift wrapping room. That's great. 

Imagine that. 

Well, yes, because it'd be like, have we got any wrapping paper? Yeah, it's down in the gift wrapping room. It's all here. 

Oh, great. Plenty of paper. 

Yes. 

Multiple swimming pools. And just amazing. It was an amazing house. And I just always remember thinking, God, I wish I was born. 

Well, that's the house that Fantasy Island, The Love Boat, Starsky and Hush, Charlie's Angels, Beverly Hills, 90210, Melrose Place, Charmed and 7 Heavenville, amongst other titles. That's it. That's it. That's all we've got time for. Rest in peace, Aaron Spelling. But of course we will be back next week. Anything going on or should we just make it a surprise? 

I think we've got a book that I was supposed to talk about this time, but I didn't. Well, no, it's still #1 next week, but I just thought there's just too much going on this week. 

Yeah, I hate to get overwhelmed with all the content. 

Yeah, too many things. 

Yes, you like the Aaron spelling of podcast content. 

Something to do with Donald Rum spelled. I'm not sure what. Yeah, look, that's all I can see at the moment on the list. That's interesting. 

We haven't really looked at any of the Iraq news for a while. 

Look, I've been there has been news, but I've just been ignoring it because I'd just rather talk about the turtle. 

I think so too. 

I just felt all ward out. 

I appreciate that. 

And with everything that's going on in today, it's just. We just don't have time for war. 

Wars and petrol and stuff. And it's just like we just want to, we want to reflect on the good times. 

Yeah, the tortoise that died. 

So look, you know, we're not the ABC. It's not, you know, unbiased news. It is a little bit skewed. And it's skewed towards the fact that, you know, we just don't want to feel sad. Yeah. We don't do the podcast to feel sad. So I don't know, you know, talking about the death of Aaron Spelling might be sad to some people. I really couldn't give a **** about him. But, and that's why we don't talk about the wars at the moment. We'll probably have to at some stage. 

I think we're going to next week because that's the only thing that's on my. 

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Behind the scenes. 

If that doesn't turn you off, I don't know what will. 

BTS content. Yeah. 

BTS, yeah, like the train was, that train was last week, wasn't it? Yeah. Okay. Well, that's it. I've got enough waffling done now. We'll see you next week. See you. Bye. 

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