The week the internet beat TV

Rewind to 2–8 July 2006

🌐 The internet officially won A UK survey revealed young people were now spending more time online than watching TV. We weren't doomscrolling TikTok just yet — we were busy on MySpace, MSN Messenger, Habbo Hotel and YouTube when it was still the new kid on the block. Turns out this was the moment the internet quietly took over our lives.

🚀 Houston, we have... confidence again NASA blasted Discovery into space on the only Space Shuttle launch ever to happen on US Independence Day, proving the shuttle program could still fly safely after the Columbia disaster. 

🎾 Wimbledon gets cheekier Forget the forehands — Centre Court was briefly stolen by a streaker who cartwheeled (!) across the grass during Maria Sharapova's quarter-final. It was peak mid-2000s ‘look at me’ behaviour, back when viral fame required a lot more commitment... and a lot fewer clothes.

🦸 The Man of Steel returns Superman Returns soared into cinemas with a blockbuster budget, a brand-new Superman and enough nostalgia to make Christopher Reeve fans misty-eyed. Warner Bros. was already talking sequels... which makes hindsight a cruel thing.

🎤 The Silver Fox reigns Fresh off his American Idol win, Taylor Hicks debuted at No. 1 with Do I Make You Proud. For one glorious moment, landline voting could launch you to superstardom overnight... even if the fame didn't quite last.

🚽 Innovation or crime against bathrooms? After Joe’s revelation that he renamed the ‘technology’ segment to ‘technology and innovation’, Mel has doubled down on the innovation component… We dive into the wonderfully unhinged world of Innovations, where leopard-print toilet seats and over-the-loo storage cupboards were somehow being marketed as must-have home upgrades. The storage unit? Surprisingly practical. The leopard loo? That's a commitment.

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Transcript

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The year is 2006. We head to the hills and learn reality is scripted. Here's Sony Cyber Shadow, 462 blurry regrets. A Facebook Pope makes everything complicated. And Twitter's like, cool story. You've got 140 characters. Go. D-minus 20. Rewind 20 years with Joe and Mel. D-minus 20. I won't forget you. I hate this long different relationship. I won't forget you. Yeah, boy. 

Welcome to T-minus 20, the podcast that rewinds to the exact same week 20 years ago and asks us the important questions like, why did we spend 3 hours customizing our MySpace profiles? 

Why were reality TV winners bigger than the actual celebrities? 

And who looked at a toilet seat and thought, this needs more effort? With your eyes, Joe and Mel. 

Each week we jump back exactly 20 years to read the biggest news. Usually we take and pop culture moments of the era, we got the nostalgia, we got the questionable fashion choices. And all the hindsight that comes with it. Charles spends more than three hours a day glued to his computers. Like 61% of teenagers, he prefers the web to television. 

Yeah, preferring the web to television. He's an incident. WWW. Is it taking over? We shall see. And lift off of the space shuttle. 

Discovery returning to the space station, paving the way for future missions and beyond. 

Finally, finally, discovery gets off the ground. We have beautiful starts. A few better delays. Yeah, a couple of minutes. A foam scare. You don't have a foam scare on your space shuttle. It's a terrible, terrible thing. 

You've been gone a long time. Where'd you go? 

Where'd Superman go? Doesn't matter. He's returned. We'll find out exactly what happened in the film segment, because I hate to spoil the movie. This is a Superman movie that didn't do as well as what people were expecting. We did live up to the height. I don't think it lived up to the height. 

We can discuss later. 

We will discuss later. There are lots of things that we need to discuss. We need to discuss the fact that I feel like last show I kind of got off on the wrong foot, you know. I just stuck with me through the whole thing. The youth words, yeah, they're just cranky. The optics weren't good for me after that, but I be like a wowser. And in true wowser form, I just think we should just, you know, embrace it and do this. Let's not open up the boom box. Let's not do something I'm really good at, which is whinge. I've got a black belt in whinging. And opening the boom box creates a safe space for whinging, specifically boomer style complaints. Where in other forums you would be lampooned with an OK boomer comment. Actually, whinge, you know that won't happen here. We'll embrace it. We'll open up a whole boom box about it and we'll boom to our hearts content. And if you want to be a part of it, all you got to do is boom at us online. Just go and see us on the socials and slide into our DMs on any platform. It doesn't matter. 

We got to boom for you. I think we have to give a moment to save Selwin. This whole segment is thanks to Selwin. Remember his song. Yeah, he had that song booming and we were discussing it because you got it for free. on CD single at JJ's, and we discussed how booming sounds like something that boomers would do when they're completing. I just feel like we need to pay homage to Selwyn. He gave us, he gifted us this segment. Well, to me, he's better known as being a patron saint of booming than an actual singer. 

Yeah, well, I think Selwynos should be paying homage to us. 

Really, for a sponsorship deal with that? 

Breathing new life into booming, because really, like, booming didn't go very far back in the day. 

Do we have to pay Royals? We carried it, we probably wouldn't tell you lots. 

If you can't shut it up and stop thanking him so much, it'd probably just go straight through the keeper, but now you've opened that door, I don't know we're going to be able to close it, and now I'm feeling like it's not as safe a space as it once was. You've got this week royalties. 

No, I've got one from Raw Honey with Dylan. Oh, that sounds raw honey with Dylan. 

It's not really bad. 

No, it's because it's a raw milk that you're not supposed to have, isn't it? It's not something that you shouldn't have. 

It's really good, everyone's like no royalties. I think you don't... Dylan. 

Dylan also knows about booming Dylan has the best boom. Oh my gosh. Are you ready for this? Yes, please. Why the Netflix helping me spell a movie they don't have? The point is that you're typing the movie that you look in and Netflix finishes it for you. 

Yeah, the predictive text is like, did you mean? It's like, it's like, but did you mean it's helpful? It's a little bit patronizing, right? Like, it was like, when you touch something like, did you mean this? 

Yeah, it finishes it for you and it doesn't have it. 

It's like, yeah, I got you, did you mean this and you're like, I did mean that. It's like, don't have it. 

The equivalent of when you went to the video store and you picked up the case and it was rented already. 

Sorry, I'm out. Yeah, sorry, I'm out. That is annoying. 

I agree, I agree with Dylan. 

Netflix has got enough money. 

Go on hire it for me. Go down the blockbuster and get it and put it in your system and watch it. Fetch. 

Oh no, that's a different brand of TV thing. it just feels good. It just feels good to kind of shake it out a little bit, It's something. 

At the same time I watch a game that take a moment. I'll tell you how you feel, I'll tell you how you feel, I'll tell you how you feel, I feel calm now after releasing. 

You've exorcised the demons. Excellent. Well, it's the hatches matches and dispatches clue. A celebrity birth, death or marriage that we talk about in a segment at the end of the show, with a little hint for you as to who that's going to be. This one is a dispatch. It's a death. A famous person who died back in 2006. Who said this? 

I firmly believe I'm innocent the charges against me, as I have said from day one. I still firmly believe that as of this day, but despite what happened today. I'm still a very blessed man. 

They're always, they always believe they're innocent, you know. Yeah, don't want to go to prison. Not that I've been to prison, but you know it's like what are you winning for? I don't know, we just don't do anything. We'll find out who that is at the end of the show. Fourth of July, 2006. The Fourth of July. Yeah, Independence Day. 

Independence Day. That's very good, because we finally, finally got Space Shuttle Discovery off the ground. 

I mean, what a time, what a time to do it, hey, Fourth of July, 2006. The rocket's red glare. No bombs bursting in air, though. 

No, I was from the Kennedy Space Center. 

That's right, the Space Shuttle Discovery takes off successfully from the Kennedy Space Center. Mission Control, very happy about that. And I like, I love the way that they talk over there. So we obviously had a whole launch there, but I just like this little bit, as they're about a minute into the launch, as they're soaring off into the upper atmosphere, like, I think they end up, like, you know, within a minute, like 20 miles above the Earth. That's right. Linda joined on the flight deck by Pilot Mark Kelly, Flight Engineer Lisa Nowak, Mission Specialist Mike Fossum, Mission specialist Kier Sellers Stephanie Wilson, and Thomas Rider of the European Space Agency down on the mid there. Rider headed for six months on the International Space Station. Everybody just sounds so cool, calm and collected. And I'm hearing that is like, you know, six months on the International Space Station. 

Six months on the International Space Station. 

My goodness, that'd be unbearable. Imagine sitting in that tube for six months, pooing and weeing into some kind of, like, the toilets almost look like a face mask. Imagine if you got that confused in a space station. You know, all of those things that astronauts have to do. 

With, sometimes don't work and they have to pay money to go on Elon or. 

Honestly, the first thing that I think of where we go anywhere these days at. 

My age is where's near the toilet. 

Just in case, yes, exactly, and then go before we leave, and the. 

Situation road stop has the tidiest toilets. 

I'm always hearing these horror stories about, people on the International Space Station are being in out of space on things and toilets failing, and that just sounds like my worst nightmare. 

So, from the actual metal box floating above the Earth, this was the third launch attempt after two weather scrubs. 

Yes, they scrubbed the launch. I mean, that's pretty cool term as well. All the terminology is cool. 

And I think there was thunderstorms on the 1st July, and then there was bad weather on the 2nd July, but there was also some hiccups along the way, and we are still very, very nervous because Columbia obviously was not that long ago, and this one was pushed back because they were worried about the foam shut over the foam. 

It was a 5 inch. They're like, Where's that from? Yeah, like you can giant spatial, you look at the bottom there's a 5 inch chunk foam on the ground. Like when you go to the. 

Carnies and the little bits of the right left over in the middle of right as you're being flung around. Very similar. Can you please put that back on? 

And you're like, Now I know how an astronaut feels. 

I did for a while. That's right. 

All that would need to happen is... Now we have a catastrophic failure of the toilets at the carnies, and it's basically the equivalent of... 

Same thing, exactly. That char-ch could have launched me there with that missing piece anyway. 

Well, actually got to be careful because I put my face mask on and it was on somebody else. 

But in one of the weirdest pre-launch stories, they had to deal with turkey vultures that were hanging around the launch pad, and a vulture strike had damaged the previous mission, so they had to get some bird control measures into it. 

The turkey vultures. It's a bird control, but they get a whole bunch of Greek men to just put nets over it at night time. 

I don't know how they did it. I don't know how, but they did control the vultures, that was good, and we were successful on the Fourth of July. 

Well, thank goodness, imagine if they weren't successful on the Fourth of July, they would have got a few nervous people. And there already was people like, can NASA actually even do this probably anymore without things falling off or exploding or whatever, and also like people like, well, how quickly can the privateers start to make space travel a bit cheaper and more available to people? And then, like, you know, this is still when space access is run by the government, privates isn't really coming. 2003 was Columbia, that was terrible. And so as a consequence, there is a lot of hype around this lawn. So for it to be successful on the Fourth of July, oh my goodness. It was, but that was good. Now it's like the private years and stuff, it's almost like the early days of aviation, really, isn't it? You know, with space these days when you've got like SpaceX and whatnot all out there and Bezos with this big blue ***** that flies up and down in the space all the time. 

Well, I think if you can change the upper atmosphere. Can we just, let's give some credit to Discovery first, we start talking about big ***** back to Discovery, so it was considered a success. They reached the space station safely, they did 3 space walks, and they returned without. 

Any major issues, there was? 

No problem with the toilets, and they declared it effectively back in business, the shuttle program, allowing other missions to resume. as well. So we're all happy about that. But yes, comparatively, back then, years and years to get ready for such a mission, and so much money, and testing and testing again, and everything. 

We're all glued to the television. 

Whereas now, SpaceX is launching them so often, it barely even makes the news. They fly and land themselves. Private citizens are going into orbit. 

Katie Perry's been up there. Would you do it? Would you? If somebody ever do a space flight, would you do that? 

Space flight. Depend how long it would take. I wouldn't do one of those ones that takes years. 

I get bored. No, I'm not going to go around the Earth in like a few hours. 

I'm not going into, like, going into an alien life. 

Activate A centrifuge, collect astrophy, and. 

Try and save the world. I would have done most of it except the chain. 

Would you go up and down in the blue *****? 

Sure, why not? I go up and down in the blue *****. 

Oh, that's good. That's answered that question. Okay, let's go over to sport. Oh, my goodness. Oh, it's not really. 

Oh, this is the sport I like. 

Is it what tennis? 

No, what happened at the tennis? I love this story. It's great. Fourth of July. Also the Fourth of July. Wimbledon, Centre Court, Maria Sharapova. 

Maria Sharapova versus Alina Deventieva, and I think sort of during the course of the match, we're running out on the court, and do you think I could find evidence of that? 

No, I saw it was great, it was. 

In Dutch, it was in Dutch, it was in Dutch. 

I think I was thinking about this, because we were talking about Moon and Brown Eye being lost. Streaking doesn't happen that much anymore. 

There's been a few really big events, and it's influencers have used it to actually generate a little bit money, but also there's also the story. I mean, I don't know how much credence you add to them because you don't believe anything that you read on the internet these days, but apparently people have like risked like fines and life bans by saying, you know, at the Super Bowl, for example, like going onto a betting platform and saying, Okay, at the Super Bowl, in the third quarter, there will be a streaker, like, and then it's like, I'll put like a **** of money on it because I'm gonna make enough money to pay the fine and do the whole thing, and then profit off it as well, but then you can never go and watch a game. 

I hate sport, I'm not encouraging it, or because I hate the other. 

Thing is, there's not these streakers that will come out and they'll. 

Have like a website, yeah, or a QR code somewhere. No, that's not. I like good old streakers, good old streakers that are just doing it for the normal. 

Had a bit too much, been to the sun, too much champagne, strawberries, and strawberries and cream, the creams curdled in his guts, he has the sun. It's only a warm day, you know, in England, they're not used to the hot weather, so anything over about twenty-two degrees and they start to flip out. 

Well, this is good 'cause he ran out, he had good footwear so he could run fast, yes, he performed a little dance, and this is where I'm glad they actually blown part of the foot jack, because he did a cart. He did a cartwheeling naked, that's not a good idea. That's very bad naked, because your legs are very wide and you're seeing at all angles, all 360 of them. 

That was a sign-filled episode, wasn't it, like good naked and bad? Yeah, very bad naked. 

Well, running, a man running naked. It just, yeah. 

The worst one is he's coughing. 

Coughing when you're naked. 

He did a little dance as well. When you see a. 

Human coughing in the nude and it's like, I'm not sure if they're gonna make it. Yes, he did a little dance with me. He did a car wheel first and then a little shimmy and then Sciri came out and I think that'd be red blanket. 

Anyway, he's a Dutch, he's a Dutch guy, he's a Dutch guy, he's a Dutch guy, he's a Dutch guy, he's a Dutch D.J., D., D., D., D., D., D., D., D., D., D., D., D. 

D., D., D., D., D., D., D., D., D., D., D., He's A., He's A., I's A. I's A. point of view because he was doing it for a show he was filming himself and he's sitting in the crowd and he's looking at the camera and he's looking around and he's like okay here we go you can see him getting ready for it and he has actually gotten clothes and velcroed them together so he's ripped his outfit off a la snap pants and you see him do it rips it off jumps a. 

Couple of rows so bad naked over the top. 

Of his head he's out there before anyone even knows what's happening he's ripped it yeah the velcro was just taken it off in a second jumped. 

A couple of rows of seats run out there done his little cartwheeling he's there spectator you said he was smart I'd say he was clever and there's a. 

Difference between smart and clever because a smart person wouldn't cut wheel naked it we'll do he got he got detained and he got taken he got taken away. 

I think you had to pay fine. 

I don't know what it was, but it ended up on the show, and you don't even get sponsors. 

I bet somebody paid that for it. 

Yeah, well, the show probably can actually try before you die. 

Yeah, well, what would you try before you die? What's one thing that you'd like to try before you die? I don't think Streak would not make my list of things to try before you die. 

Yeah, no, I need a support when I'm running, so Streak's not going to work for me. 

Does it really have to be something extremely? I don't want to experience that, you know, I guess something, because I can. I think I'd like to, you know, go and see something or experience something, but not Streak. 

No, not Streak. 

Like, you know, maybe I'd like to try, I don't know. Pizza in Italy or something. That's it. I mean, it's not exciting. It's not gonna race, but it's also not gonna have a car wheel naked at Wimbledon, is it? We haven't really discussed it since last time, but I'm going over to the Technology Innovation segment. 

Yes. 

I'm still running with the title. I don't understand how hard it is to do the bulk name change over on the Agro. 

Well, you've kept the name, and I've gone for it. 

You've gone for it. You're complicit. 

Yes, you know why? I jumped on the Wayback machine today. I jumped on the Wayback machine and I travelled to 2006 and I typed in innovations.com.au. 

Oh, really? And then you're joking about it. So they had a presence the innovations catalogue. 

It was a very dodgy. 2000 website with a little flash and ugly buttons, broken links, but I got there. So hang on, it was a rough trip. It was more bouncy than the space shuttle. Bits of phone fell off, but I got there. I got there and I found innovations July catalog 2006. So this is legit, the technology and innovation segment now. But it's innovations with a. 

S on the end of it's not innovation. It's innovative. 

I can't help but suspect. 

That you have hijacked this segment now and changed the course of it. Well, you just gave something to name. 

Without first checking with me. So I thought, let's double down. Look, it was a judgement call. Yeah, I've made a judgement decision. I don't think you're going to be disappointed because we were discussing the over the toilet story. But what do you think? 

Wait, just wait, I won't be disappointed if we can still occasionally include other. 

No, this is not exclusively the innovations catalogue. This is just from time to time when I'm perusing the 2006 edition in the way back machine and I come across something and I go, oh gee, that'd be good. That's innovative. I'll sold in. 

Okay, well, in an attempt to sound like I have some kind of pool of authority over the show, I'll allow it. 

Great. So you will allow it because we were discussing the over the toilet storage. Yes, what was in the July 2006 catalogue. It's actually called a bathroom storage cupboard. And if you scroll right down to the bottom, we'll put this on the social for our listeners to see, but scroll down and have a look at the 2006 version. 

I do feel like it's in every innovation catalogue. It doesn't matter that's the point. 

Have a look at the 2006. I don't think it has those doors on it anymore. 

It's very young, it's got that colonial that colonial style. It's like colonial style architecture, architecture, not architecture. It's simply a piece of furniture. Anyway, yes, colonial furniture. 

And so I've got the description made by convicts. 

Sorry, yes. 

Great loose storage. Turn wasted space into storage space. This good looking storage unit fits over the toilet, making best possible use of your wall space. It's easily assembled. It adjusts to accommodate most standard cisterns and new beds. The glossy white finish and unbreakable acrylic window panels will go well in any bathroom. It's the perfect place for storing anything from your favorite perfumes and cosmetics. I's the dunny. I's not included. 

I was going to do my makeup, you know? 

That's practical. Still sold today. Makes use of dead space. But yeah, you're very expensive perfume just one floor away from disaster, isn't it? 

Yes, well, it could come in handy though in a pinch as well, you know, having some perfume on hand in there. That's true. Yeah. 

And so I can get the price. I think it was like $50 something. 

So flat pack, flat pack. 

But here's the thing, like the innovations website, for all its faults, it was actually quite innovative for 2006, because it offered me out that you might also like. 

Oh, really? 

And you know what it offered me? A Leopard toilet seat. 

See, I was wondering where that was headed. 

Can you scroll down and have a look back? I'd like you to describe the toilet seat, because the toilet seat is exactly as I'd imagined the leopard. 

Toilet seat. Oh my gosh! That's a very leopard toilet seat. 

It's actually got leopard heads. 

It actually looks like somebody has dehydrated an actual leopard and molded them into the toilet seat. So, exactly. So, when you flip the lid up, there's a leopard giving you side eye, right? And I think the reason why the leopard is giving you side eye, because if you're blogging with it, it's like you better lift up the other seat before you take... 

Oh, don't have a look at the colors. Have a look at the colors. That's very helpful if you've got barley bellies. Well, see, that's very splattery. 

I've got a problem with that because I like toilets to be spots. I don't know if the leopards change their spots there or somebody's... 

So there's a description for this one. Put a leopard in your bathroom. Easy to fit, easy to clean. Replace a drum toilet seat with this easy to install, stunning leopard design toilet seat, made from MDF, sealed with a polyurethane coating, and quality chrome tinges. It's hygienic and easy to clean. 

Who would you, I mean, who would be in the market for a leopard toilet seat? 

I don't know, like if it was just standard leopard print, I may be convinced, but I'm not down with the two leopard heads staring at you while you're doing your business. Yeah, that's pretty good. 

I'll put some music underneath the key rock. I will come now that you surprised me, but I'll come better prepared to the next one. And between our powers combined, our Warren Buffett and the Gates Foundation, you know, from a previous episode, it'll be amazing. It'll be incredible. Let's do music. Come on. 

All right, number one in the UK still. She's a man here in Australia. Hello. 

Yeah, we got to hear again our new US chats. Do I make you proud? It was only a matter of time, wasn't it? We go backwards from #5, Riding Community, #4 going down by Young Jock 3, Promiscuous Nellie and Timberland, 2 Hips don't like Shakira. She got bumped off the top position by the number one song, Do I Make You Proud by Taylor Hicks, the American Idol winner. 

Yes, the one that he was so old because he was in his 30s, so young because he had grey hair. And he had the like the Swifties, but he was called the Soul somethings. 

Soul Patrol. So that's his debut single, like they always do. 

It went straight to #1, dominates the charts, I think maybe just for a week. Temporarily. They never really last very long at the top of the charts. 

I don't think they do. I don't think they buy the position. But what I think happens is it is just that flashing the pants thing. So they put the album out, there's still got to be the hate for the episode, people going by and then it's done, done, burned it straight away. 

It was one of the biggest digital downloads of 2006, though, so they're starting to buy it off the iTunes. 

I mean, that's the market too. You don't think about digital downloads, people download digital, not necessarily into full album experiences. They're embracing this new business model where they do just purchase singles, which starts to become a way. 

That's fine for the idols because you don't want a whole album. 

Of course, but it does eventually, I think, shape the way music is written into the future, because it's the people are generally going, Well, eventually I'll get an album, but I'm just going to pump out a few songs here and there. But they're not yet. 

I think sometimes in an album, the songs come together or they have a certain flow about them, and they build a bit of a show. 

It's a moment in time. 

Yeah, and they're well, you try to make your music diverse because you don't want the same thing across the album, whereas when you just releasing singles, you probably. 

Just go for what you know. A bit diverse, the same thing across the album, particularly there's some kind of concept or something that links it together. Threads and threads. Whereas you know, when people start buying more singles online, we lose that a little more. I mean, you can still buy. Did you ever buy a singles or CD singles back? 

I bought a lot of CD singles. It didn't ruin very easily cardboard, wasn't very durable, didn't like that but then plastic CD covers on a CD sink weren't very strong either, it always cracked. 

There was probably a whole bunch of landfill with, do I make you proud in a cardboard CD cover somewhere? Maybe, I don't know, it's number one, maybe there's less landfill than. 

What there would have been if it didn't go to the board. 

Sold 298,000 copies. 

That's in the first week. Yes, although I mean, he wins Idol and he has that number one song, but I don't think there was any long-term pop stardom. Not for this guy, no. I think it plateaued very, very quickly. I think he did a little bit of touring and may have done some theatre some musical theatre. 

I mean, the timeline probably significant me short for him too, because of his age. I actually don't want to know him, so he didn't make me proud, but good luck to him. All right, over to the box office. Now, this one's an interesting one, this film. I remember a lot of hype about this film, and I remember a lot of negativity amongst the fanboys. We're still not, it's a superhero film, we're still not hitting sort of Marvel style superhero stuff yet, but we're getting close. And one of the biggest names in superhero films, well, it doesn't get much bigger. I mean, this is the white whale of superhero films. This is the main event of superhero films. We're talking about characters, anyway, main event of superhero characters, the big one, the big, the big chongus, Superman, and he's returning. 

You've been gone a long time. 

Where'd you go? You have big car. Even though you've been raised as a human being, you are not one of them. It's not easy for me to live my life being who I am, keeping secrets. 

Hi, OK, welcome back. I see everybody back at the munch again. 

Hello. Yeah, well, you've been gone. Fearless reporter Lois Lane as a mommy. But if you ask me, she's still in love with you-know-who. 

How would you give us that? done, so do the rest of us. The world doesn't need a savior. 

I need to fly. 

This has got a little reunion, isn't it? I'm a fan. I'll have advanced technology. Thousands of years beyond what anyone's been driving. 

But millions of people will die. 

Billions. You wrote that the world doesn't need a savior. But every day I hear people crying for one. 

They leaned so hard into the nostalgia with the John Williams theme, the original theme for the Christopher Reeve Superman movie, which is my original Superman. 

Is this one and Kate Bosworth on a boat at some point stuck in a boat? I did see this one there, yeah. 

I'm sorry, and to be honest with you, I feel like her, Kate Bosworth. 

I liked that movie, yeah. Did you? Because I remember on a boat. See if I didn't remember that. 

That's so that's a good movie. If you can remember one scene. 

I thought she's attractive to shame she's stuck on that boat. 

With Superman. Yeah, one snapshot. I thought it was pretty trash. No, I didn't like it because, and I think they leaned into the nostalgia to the point where they almost broke it. So he was Brandon, Brandon Ruth, Ruth, Ruth, Ruth, Ruth, I'm going to say. It's like when Ray Warren. to commentate the state of origin, be Steve Renton, and be like, Rude, Renton off, Renton off. I did the rabs. Yeah, so they really lent into the Christopher Reeve nostalgia with it. They used that thing from John Williams. The suit was very similar. It wasn't one of those sort of Kevlar musly suits. It was like the spandex stuff. 

Can you have erect *******? I feel like he had erect ******* as well, especially. 

If he's going to his life ultras. 

Yeah, I do. Maybe that was maybe the Batman. 

Yeah, one of those. Yeah, anyway, so like it was in the cinemas on the 28th of June in 2006, but it became one of the biggest movies in the world in the week of the 2nd. 

Is the 4th of July kind of like a big deal for movie releases because it is a holiday, middle of summer? 

Skyrockets in Flight, and then Streaker and Wimbledon's Afternoon Delight, and then beyonc� McMahon of Godless America. 

They spent over $200 million making this up. 

They did, and there was so much hype for it. It was directed by Bryan Singer, who just finished the X-Men movies, and I was like, Oh, this could be good, but it wasn't, and like you said, it was one of the most expensive movies ever made at the time. They had Brandon Ralph, I'll say Ruth Ross, and then you had Kevin Spacey, I mean, Spacey, even, yeah, Kevin Spacey was in there as well, and I mean, we still like Kevin Spacey at the stage, and it's such a shame with him, because he was such a great actor, and he was a really great Lex loser, I had high hopes because of that, and when they were incorporating, you heard the Marlon Brando dialogue, there was Jor from the original films. I mean, that got me excited as well. But then it was just him, like it was such a slow film. It was, for what it was, it was really slow. Like he's stalking Lois because they've broken up and he's disappeared, you know, he's moved on with life and had a kid and it's like, oh my goodness. And then Lex Luthor comes out and it was just like he was going to create a new continent made of kryptonite or whatever and make a fortune for the real estate boom. And you know, I think he was saving a passenger jet in a baseball stadium. He saved a crashing passenger jet in a baseball stadium. That was very Superman of him. It was all, you know, but it was just like there was big sequences in it, but the stuff in between, just it just was hollow. If I've ranted too much about it, am I too invested in Superman? A little bit, yeah. Not my Superman. No, not your Superman. I really like Henry Catal. I love Christopher Reeve's Superman. 

I like the dog. 

Crypto. Oh, the new Superman. That's the new DC one. I really like Henry. I like that one with the dog. I didn't mind the new one. 

I like Kay on the boat. 

Yeah, well, I think Superman's very golden era DC, so it's kind of got. I don't know, it's a bit campy in a lot of ways and that's you gotta kind of let that go and that's why you enjoy, it's part of fun of it all, but I don't know, there it was and there it went and it was a very expensive film and I think it. 

Did reasonably well, it made its money back, at least it gross $300 million. 

And there's another one here in Australia the same weekend as well. They did expect more, they did have it as a continuation of the Christopher Reeve movies rather than a reboot and they thought that they were going to do more of them, but after this they decided to pack. 

Up the cape and so there you go. All right, launch the small screen. 

Well, actually, the smaller, small screen. Maybe they would have made more money on Superman, except for the fact that this stuff is happening over on the. 

Small screen on the house computer screen. 

Exactly. 

We had a survey out this time 20 years ago that found young people spending more time. time on internet sites than watching television for the first time. TV has dominated entertainment for decades, and this was one of the first really clear signs that the internet was actually starting to become the centre of the youth's lives. 

Probably, you know, because when they go in and they search for something, they get instant gratification, and like Netflix, they turn around and say, Oh, no, we don't have that. I know what it is. We know what you're looking for. I know exactly what you're. 

Looking for, but I don't know. Interestingly, internet in households in Great Britain at this stage, this was a UK survey, only 57% had internet access as well, so that's just over half, yet it's dominating television at this point, making it even more remarkable, and obviously not on smartphones at this stage. You have to go on the house computer. No, the house computer monitor is. 

Not as good as your TV. No, they're going and looking up things like rotten.com, you know, that sort of stuff, right? 

No, I don't think. 

That's what they were looking at. Too pucks, autopsy photo, the Kennedy assassination footage, things like that. 

No, people were on MySpace, Messenger, Bebo, Habbo Hotel. What's Habbo Hotel? I never heard you. That was like, we used to advertise the hotel. 

It was like a little Sims thing, but you were a person moving around and have a hotel with other people and I think you could chat, like you're advertised with me and chat and stuff. 

I think around a year at this stage. 

Facebook's still a university thing predominantly. 

It's close to getting there. But yeah, the YouTube on the MySpace and the Messenger mainly. They're doing that more than watching TV. So it's a pretty significant cultural shift. It is, and like it's kind of one of the markers for the end times. 

And then I mean, if you look at like the iPhone is still about a year away, but that's probably the other marker for the end times as well. And the iPhone. 

Even though people had iPhones, they weren't fully connecting them or having them online and watching things on them in that kind of way for a little while. No, just trying to work them out. I think people were playing that tap-tap game mainly that's what I remember three times. 

I's things like Words with friends and stuff like that. Scrabble, Scrabble was big things like that. It doesn't fully become a toilet just yet. But there's plenty of things of kids to do on there at the moment. 

It's not productive. We're realizing now that we're moving from scheduled programming to on-demand media. Internet lets you choose. TV tells you what. TV tells you what your neighbors at this time. Whereas internet gives you some choices. 

So you can do whatever you like. 

Where do you want to go today? And broadcasters are starting to go, oh. 

We're competing with this now. So that if you make the choice, if you make the choice, you committed to however long the download would take as well. 

So yeah, that's big commitment. Maybe go and watch neighbors while you were downloading your illegal song offline while it took like 18 hours. 

You'd start at neighbors and you'd finish it the nightly news and you go to bed and you get up the next day and see what your progress was like. That's what you're doing, that's what you're. But it is an interesting stat and certainly one of those ones where it's like not going to reverse. 

Today, here in Australia, 91% of Australian adults use an online service to watch video content each week. YouTube and Netflix are the biggest players. We spend an average of 19.5 hours per week on social media, almost 3 hours a day. I remember I didn't even watch TV for three hours a day. 

I was probably on the higher end of that average up until about, I reckon, six months ago. And I've definitely dialed that back. 

97% of Australians age 15 to 19 use social media daily. For the first time, we now access news via social media platforms more than via traditional outlets. 

So fraught with, well, it's just dangerous because of the amount of misinformation that's doing around as well. And also the fact that it gives people a platform, like people with platforms. stay in their lanes as well, which I find very dangerous, especially with politics, like, which frustrates me a lot, because, and we're talking about a particular celebrity today that's a comedian that just decided to start speaking out about the state of political play and things like that, and I'm like, I don't just think that person is in the best mental state to even be given a platform to say that. And the funny thing was, that person was doing that on social media and because the TV needed something to report in the news, they played the social media clip and then invited them on the show to elaborate more about it. 

So, you know, it's soil, isn't it? And that 20 hours per week, the social media, that's just social media, that's not even counting things like streaming, gaming, messaging, or God for your actual work. Well, yeah, I mean. 

You say actual work, I mean, this is outside work, this is construction event. outside of working hours, I think. 

But it's the information overload as well. It's the expectation that you're always on, so people expect you to respond instantly. But your nervous system also thinks you need to respond, like everything is treated as an urgent thing. 

You need to respond to a ping or whatever, it pulls you out of what you're in. It's a noise that cuts through all the other noises that sounds like. 

Nothing else that says pay attention to me. Yeah, I was reading something the other day, and again it's just someone making something on the internet because you know it's resonated with you. Look, I think it sounds it does sound legit to me. It says you're absorbing more in a single day than your grandparents processed in a month. Oh yeah, I believe in a day. Notifications, opinions, outrage, disasters, advertisements, noise. Your nervous system wasn't built for this. 

I totally agree with that. I mean, I'm like to play a boom in the end. I do agree with that, because it is exha. coming at you at a million miles an hour from a million different sources. Yeah, it's all coming at you and it's like, and you're. 

Expected to absorb it and have an opinion and act on it and if you don't act on it and you don't support it, there's something wrong with you and there's the outrage. Here's the thing. 

This is where I've slowed down a lot of stuff with these in the last six months. I still like to do things like this content creation stuff because I feel like that's good for soul and doing a bit of research, but I'm certainly back on social stuff because. Who is expecting you to do this stuff? Who is expecting you to do this stuff? It's them. It's the people that they expect you to do that because they're trying to drill a behavior into you that's going to make you spend more, watch more, look at more, consume more, absorb more. And you don't have to do that. You can touch grass, like as the kids say. You know, you can go outside. You can stop. You can just stop. And there's such a, I'm starting to get preaching now, but there is such a magical thing that can happen if you decide to stop. Just for a second and just take a breath and just like, because it is so hard. But it's hard. 

It's not like the whole thing is set up on gamification. It's the concept of like poker machines and FOMO and all that stuff. The notifications and like I even see it because I don't spend a lot of time on social media now, but the notifications have increased so much because it's notice that I'm not spending time on there. It's that concept of someone's like something, we've got to go and see what it is, or someone's shared something that you might be interested in. 

I'm not actually interested in that. You can't compete with the dopamine hit that you get back, like the pace that you receive the dopamine hit. You get higher dopamine hit from other pursuits. Like I look at, say, going to catch a fish, right? Where you're like, you bait your hook, and you'll sit quietly and patiently until you get bite and bring a fish in here, this massive dopamine hit. It's huge, huge sense of accomplishment, but that can be replicated in a digital space through a device or whatever in seconds, and a million times over here. And then you need. 

More and more and more because it's not there's no fulfillment behind it, so it's kind of not real. So then it's like, I need more, give me more, give me more, and the thing is too, that people aren't bored anymore. You don't want to be bored. Like every time you have a free moment, you're sitting there. You feel like you need to be doing something, you're not being productive, or you've got to then just automatically pick up your phone because you're like, I've got nothing to do on board. But boredom is where the creativity comes from, and boredom is where you solve problems or you learn things, or you go and teach yourself something just so that you're not bored anymore. 

Yeah, exactly. And you know what stopped me, I think, in a lot of ways, because when we first adopted it, I didn't pick this up until probably around 2009 or 10. I was like, held off for ages, I wish I'd never started, but I mean, you kind of had to, eventually, like, what would you be doing now if you decided not to do that stuff? It was originally status updates and stuff. The thing that's made me go back is it is memories, like just this relentless barrage of memories every day. I look at the status updates and I think, what the? 

F* did I share that again? You were deleting a lot of things the other day. 

I've been doing that every day. Every day I check the memories and some days I miss it because I obviously don't. But every day if that pops up and I see that notification, I check it and I just delete as much of it as I can. I wish I never put it out there in the 1st place because who cares? No one gives a . It's not important. See, opening the boom box at the start of the show really set the tone for the whole thing, isn't it really? There's gonna be so many people be like, I'm definitely not listening to that show because of those. And there's probably a whole bunch of other people. 

Why are those two old women talking about Corey Feldman again? 

We should put that on a T-shirt. 

That was the best endorsement, I think. they took that comment off because I went to go TikTok to go and screen cab it's gone. I think it's like one of my favorite comments I've never had against anything I've ever done in social media. Greatest achievement? 

That was a dopamine hit. That was massive. I was just like, I can't come back. 

There's no come back for that. 

That's just, but I don't have to go find them else to save the point. Maybe the whole account's been demolished or deleted or some people coming back. Who knows, but that's what happens. You set the pace out. There will be whole bunch of people, though, like, I couldn't agree with you more and the ones that we want to talk. Exactly. You never change your opinion if you'll hang around with a bunch of like-minded people. I think the same.. Yes, exactly. Let's do this. So we actually have a dispatch this week. 

But do we? 

Do we? Oh, really? Okay, well, a person who allegedly died that said this. 

I firmly believe I ministered charges against me, as I have said from day one. I still firmly believe that as of this day. But despite what happened today, I'm still a very blessed man. 

Oh, yes, very blessed so much. 

Hashtag blessed. 

I have a heart attack on the 5th of July at the age of 64. If you said former Enron executive, the infamous Kenneth Lay. That was a hard one. I don't expect many people who got that. That's not really big fans of Enron or Kenneth themselves is close to follow the story. What's your special interest? I don't know. Kenneth Lane of the coin of Enron. Well, you must be a hit party. Yeah. 

It was an interesting story, though. Well, yes. Very interesting story. 

Tell me more. 

Well, I don't know. The Enron thing was interesting, but he died of a heart attack on the 5th of July while on holiday in Colorado. Obviously, Enron was he was. This is where it gets interesting. The death came just weeks after he was convicted on fraud conspiracy. So immediately speaking conspiracy theorists are like, Did he actually die? He's on a holiday. He had a heart. 

Attack in Colorado, and then he was eaten by a bear, so there's nobody. No evidence. He just disappeared. I made up the eaten by a bear. 

Oh, that's right. Well, he maintained that he didn't knowingly commit fraud. Yes, I see. And he was the face of corporate greed in the early 2000s. The collapse was massive. 

It ruined the lives of thousands of people. 

It was the corporate scandal, you know, before we had the GFC, anyone was the one that you're talking about. 

You're talking like thousands of jobs, thousands of wages, superannuation, pensions, health plans, all of that stuff. They just, it was all going overnight, so it was terrible. And he kept saying that he didn't do it, but I don't know the prosecutors argue that he was a big player and he created a culture that allowed widespread deception. So when you get that sort of put in front of you, get guys saying, I mean, it's like you just lean into that widespread deception potentially. And then it's like because of the widespread deception, it's like, well, he actually had a heart attack at 64. He was on holidays in Colorado. And everyone went, right, maybe, Who knows? He might be out there somewhere hiding today. 

He was the poster boy for Corporate Greed in the early 2000s. 

So I don't think any people kind of missed him too much. But look, it is that he died on holidays in Colorado. And while it's hard to believe, I think that there's really no conspiracy there at all. As much as I'd like to do it to make it sound exciting, I think we had enough excitement being the old people that we are for one episode. 

Well, I tell you what, finding the innovations catalog in the wayback machine was very exciting. That was great. 

You wait, do you see what I'm going to have some really cool innovations music. We're gonna shine that segment, shine. 

So, do you want, should we bring it back next week? 

Yeah, no, polish it up real nice, turn it sideways, and no, that's the rock. Sorry, I apologize, but yes, we can bring it back next week. What else can we bring back next week? Or maybe not bring back, I should say, like bring up, like you know, maybe not bring up, discuss. Sable screw castor oil for you down. 

The back of the throat, stop the bed spins. Some Lily Allen discussions. Lily Allen. 

I thought you, I thought that you, because you slurred your speech a little bit there. I thought you were referring to one of those contemporary rappers that was like Lil Yallen. 

Lil Yallen. Yeah. Oh, Twitter, Twitter, Twitter, Twitter launches the public. 

Yeah, that's right. Absolutely. 

Cool. 

All right. That'll do those stories more. Next week we'll do music, do videos, do all that stuff, videos for the videos. That's right. I said it. We'll do all those things more. In the meantime, come check us out on the social post off all week videos. You can see what we look like. That's speaking **** that I need to delete. No, but one of the socials always, so you come up for us, look for T-minus 30 podcast, that's all you do, search for all one word even, that'll show up in your search history. 

In your browser thing, you'll see a little thing with the logo, and then you'll be able to. Can I just say, too, I really hope someone out there has noticed with the logo, the effort that went into the font for the logo, the T-minus 20, the minus and the letter 20, I found 50 cents font, and it's actually 2 fonts. So the minus is the same as cent, and the 20 is the same as 50, so I've actually used 50 cents to create the minus 20. So I really hope that someone out there has popped their 50 cent in the club CD on and Look at the cover and gone, geez, that looks like the T-minus logo. It took me to figure out what that freaking font was, and it wasn't just a regular font that you get in Canva. I had to purchase two fonts, two fonts to get the 50 cent fonts. 

Do you people, do you see a loyalist? Does anyone appreciate that, besides me? 

Loyal listeners appreciate the. 

And what about the time I spent? 

Two hours changing the tape that came out of the cassette logo, because that guy wrote in and went, that's not how the tapes. 

Be careful, because you sound like you're attacking him. 

I'm not attacking him, he made a fair point, he made a fair point, but he did mentioned that's not how the tape would come out, and I spent two hours redrawing the tape, 50 cents font. I think it was more probably more like 5 hours. 

These are the length I'll go to. But when it comes a fact that's the psychopathic hard work It goes into producing this podcast for free. So, if you could continue to enable us. 

I know, I'm in debt actually, I'm purchasing. 

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We haven't had a review for a while. I need nice ones. 

That's right. 

That's a nice review on iTunes. 

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