The week the internet tried to fire Beyoncé

Rewind to 13–19 August 2006, when internet petitions were becoming a thing, every celebrity seemed to have a side hustle and the Innovations catalogue was convinced you could get ripped without leaving the lounge room.

🎤 Beyoncé vs the internet
Déjà Vu hit the charts but it was the music video that stole the headlines. Thousands of fans signed an online petition demanding Beyoncé remake it, complete with less frantic editing and a different director. Imagine trying to crowdsource creative feedback for Beyoncé in 2006.

👑 The JonBenét case takes another twist
A decade after the murder of JonBenét Ramsey, the world thought the mystery had finally been solved when John Mark Karr was arrested in Thailand. The dramatic confession made global headlines, only for DNA evidence to unravel the case just days later.

💿 Paris Hilton proves the haters wrong
Everyone expected a celebrity vanity album. Instead, Stars Are Blind became one of the catchiest songs of the decade and, twenty years later, we're all finally admitting we secretly loved it.

📰 Reporting from the world's most dangerous places
Fox News correspondent Steve Centanni and New Zealand cameraman Olaf Wiig were kidnapped while reporting in Gaza, reminding the world of the extraordinary risks journalists take to bring us stories from conflict zones.

🏃 Fitness, but make it foldable
The Innovations catalogue promised the Brilliant Air Walker would tone your entire body, protect your joints and then neatly fold into a cupboard. Peak 2000s logic: if the exercise machine stored away easily, you could pretend it wasn't becoming an expensive clothes rack.

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Transcript

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The year is 2006. We head to the hills and learn reality is scripted. Your Sony Cyber Shot uploads 462 blurry regrets. A Facebook poke makes everything complicated. And Twitter's like, cool story, you've got 140 characters. Go. T-minus 20. Rewind 20 years with Joe and Mel. 

Week of 13, August 2006. T-minus 20. Bringing sexy back. I want to forgive you. T-minus 20. I hate this long distance relationship. And I want to forget you. You have no style or some succession. This is a beauty. This is very nice. Yeah, boy. 

Have you ever wondered what was happening this exact week 20 years ago? Sure you have. Sure you have. You wanted something to talk about. Maybe you just scratched your head going, geez, I wonder where I was, what I was doing. Well, welcome to T-minus 20, the nostalgia podcast that rewinds to the same week exactly 2 decades earlier to revisit news, pop culture, weird trends and forgotten moments that had us all talking. And we're talking now. You're talking. Well, I'm talking to you. And then the other person that's going to be talking is Mel. I'm Joe. That's Mel over there. Hi, Mel. 

Hi, here's some words. Every episode we separate the things that generally mattered from the things that we absolutely were convinced mattered. And then we asked what still holds up today, whether you were glued to the 6 o'clock news, you were living for video hits, or you were just trying to customise your MySpace profile without crashing the house computer. We've done the digging. You don't have to. Welcome to the 13th to the 19th of August 2006. 

Bass and hi-hat. What? Oh. 

J. Ready. 

Let's go get them. Let's go get them. Well, they were coming to get you, beyonc�, I have to say. And it was because of that song. Deja vu, which enters the charts. And we liked it. Well, the world liked it. But thousands of people didn't like the film clip. And we'll talk more about that very, very shortly. 

Tonight on Nightline, breaking the case, 10 years after the murder of JonBenet Ramsey, US authorities want to talk to an American man being held in Thailand. Could this be the break that ends the mystery and one family suffering at last? 

Could it indeed? Jon Bernet Ramsay, it was just one of those mysteries that graced the cover of every single gossip magazine, like Who Week. Not a gossip magazine, I guess it was gossip magazines. It was all kinds of magazines. Jon Bernet Ramsay's image seemed to sell magazines. 

Who magazines? 

Our attraction to true crime. Crue crime? Yes, that. Crue crime. I'm professional. 

And this week was the twist that wasn't really a twist in the end. No. 

We'll get you to the twist that could not be shortly. 

Is it really possible to lose weight, get in shape, tone up, swim down, and have fun doing it? And I tell them, of course it is. 

That's a lie. It's not possible. It's not possible. And we'll tell you why a little later on in the show. 

In the technology and innovation segment. 

That's right. That's right. Those stories and more this week on T-minus 20 and now this. I feel like I'm bumbling through the show a bit like a boomer anyway. So why not? Why not open up the boombox? We haven't done it for a couple of weeks. And if you're not familiar with it, the boombox is your opportunity to send us your boomer style complaints. The problems that you may have with the present day that would find a younger person looking you up and down and going, okay, boomer, and judging you. And we don't do that. We don't do that here. There's no judgment here. It's your safe space. In fact, we will loft you high on our shoulders and celebrate your boom by putting it in the boombox and discussing it And all you need to do if you want to be a part of it, if you want to communicate your boom to us, is slide into our DMs on the socials. Go and find us on the platform. Search for T-minus 20 podcast. You can't miss this. Big yellow logo. Send us a DM with your boom. Record one if you like and we'll play your voice on the radio. Well, it's not the radio anymore, is it? It's the podcast. Just had a flashback to a former job. Okay, boomer. All right. What have we got this week, Mel? 

This is a good one. 

Is it? 

Yes, it is from Beano Baggins. 

Oh g'day, Beano Baggins. 

Beano Baggins. I overheard someone asking someone else the other day, can I bum a scroll because they deleted Instagram off their phone? 

Oh, that's so sad. 

Can I bum a scroll? 

Can I bum a scroll? That's so sad. That's because we're addicted to the scrolling. 

Not bumming a smoke anymore. 

That's how bad things are. 

Not bumming a dowry. 

You can't live without a scroll. 

Bumming a scroll? 

Your thumbs are getting, what, twitchy? 

When I first read that, I thought they meant cinnamon scroll. 

Yeah, that would make a lot of sense to me. I jumped straight to food too. Yeah. 

Can I bum a scroll? 

Yeah, that's only because I'm counting macros and I'm hungry all the time. I'll raise that. You can bum a recorder. Well, don't do that, but. 

I'll take requests. 

Will you? 

Yeah. 

For your recorders. 

As long as it's only got three or four notes in it, nothing too complicated. 

Let's not try and spruik too much interactivity, because we're already. 

I haven't brought the recorder out for a while. 

But I mean, if you start soliciting for requests, you're going to dilute the booms. Do you know what I'm saying? 

I don't. Okay. 

Like our footprint, our audience footprint? 

And then I'll be distracted. 

I don't want to assign them. 

Too busy learning a song in the recorder and not doing my research. 

I don't want to assign them too many tasks. I feel like even saying find us on the socials is asking too much. 

Yeah. 

You know. 

Probably. 

So I'm not, hopefully I'm not asking too much now to guess the hatch, match and dispatch clue before the end of the show. You know, it's, this is, well, what have we got this week? A birth, a birth, a marriage. 

We've actually got a birth. 

A celebrity who is having their 20 20th birthday that was born this week 20 years ago. I'm not going to like this person, am I? Just basically because I'm old and cantankerous. I know. 

Because they've been bumming scrolls since 2004. 

That statement depresses me so much. They said this. 

I found that I'm aging rapidly. I've calculated it and in three months I'm going to look like this. I need to prepare for my future. So I bought a bunch of old people products. No, I didn't buy dentures, I don't buy a wheelchair even though I might actually need that. Because my knees sound terrible. How about like interesting old people products that if I was old I wouldn't even think about buying. But maybe they can benefit me. 

I hate him already. 

Old people products. 

I hate the guy already. Old people products. Find out. Probably just like a weight pack. Yeah. It probably is. I mean, I don't even know if I can reserve my hate for something like this. I just don't have time. Go bum a scroll elsewhere. We'll find out who that is at the end of the show. Actually, we have to get a bit serious here for the news because it's a pretty big story that comes out on the 14th of August in 2006 when we have the kidnapping of Fox News journalists Steve Centani and Olaf Wigg when they're in Gaza. Now, they set off for what should have been another day of reporting and they vanish in broad daylight. Gaza at the time was in a pretty volatile period. Isn't it interesting? The more things change, the more they stay the same. After the capture of an Israeli soldier by the name of Gilad Shalit in June 2006. So foreign journalists were reporting from the region despite kidnappings becoming more common because it's volatile and that's how they make their money. It's their job to go and report on these things and it's how the rest of the world knows what's going on over there. So most of the abductions had ended within hours which made this particular case unusually serious because this was not one of those sort of, hey, we'll give them back to you in a couple of hours after we get our message across type things. This went for a little while longer. 

It did. They were ambushed by masked gunmen in the Gaza City on the 14th of August and a previously unknown group calling itself the Holy Jihad Brigades eventually claims responsibility. Nine days after They were abducted. They released, the kidnappers release a proof of life video demanding the release of Muslim prisoners who were held in the US. 

They did that. And they also, as part of that video, I think, or maybe it was another video, but there was a couple of videos, I think, at the time. They had one where they made them announce their conversion to Islam as well. 

Oh, yeah, I remember this. 

My name is Steve. I'm an American. After I entered Islam, I changed my name to Khalid. I have embraced Islam and say the word Alam. And my leader is the Prophet Muhammad. Peace be upon him. Please, President Bush, please, Tony Blair, open your minds to Islam and bring peace to all people around the world. My name is Zola. I'm from New Zealand. After I entered Islam, my name became Yacob. 

It's time that the leaders of the West listen to the people, take notice of the millions protesting in the streets, stop hiding behind the I don't negotiate with terrorist myth. This is interesting because the holy jihad brigades were sort of more framed as or trying to frame themselves. I wouldn't say they were framed as, but they were certainly trying to create this narrative of them being a more peaceful. But I mean, yeah, but you kidnap someone at gunpoint. So that kind of goes out the window a little bit and they were forced to convert to Islam at gunpoint. 

After almost two weeks in captivity, they are released. unharmed on the 27th of August following negotiations by Palestinian officials. And I guess a reminder of how much war reporting changed after Iraq and Gaza. 

Well, yes, but Steve also spoke about what they actually did while they were there in captivity. They didn't have as bleak a view as what I guess some would. And I think they very much relied on each other's company when they were doing that. 

Well, it was frightening at first and terrifying because we were manhandled and handcuffed with sharp plastic ties. I still have a mark on my wrist where it dug into my skin and we were pushed down onto a cement dirt floor in the dark and didn't know what would happen next. Then conditions improved. We started meeting our captors. Time went on. Hope became stronger as time went on, but we never knew for sure what would happen. We kept each other's hopes alive. We kept each other's spirits up by talking a lot, just making conversation about past experiences, what we'll do in the future when we get out, about the places where we've been and where we've lived and about the people we love. And we kept them in our minds and in our hearts. 

He sounds like one of those news readers that's always on. Like he doesn't have a, he doesn't have an off voice. 

No, he's quite the projector. 

He'd be fun at barbecues, wouldn't he? Hi there, really great to join you next to the grill there, Joe. What are you cooking there today? You know, sort of thing. 

Over to you. 

Maybe that's why they let him go. They're like, oh, ****. Be quiet. But in all seriousness, it is very interesting, like you were saying, because it does change the way a lot of war reporting happens. 

And a lot of training is now standard for many journalists, the hostile environment training. And in 2006, It's something that doesn't happen as much now, but we did see a lot of those hostage videos because the internet is a thing, YouTube's online, we've got a lot of social sharing happening and that's how these videos get released and then shared. So it was quite a new thing and it did happen a lot in 2006. And there was, as they kind of alluded to in the video, the proof of life video around the government not being willing to negotiate as well and being quite firm on that. 

Yeah, I think when you talk about that hostile environment training, I think that's quite interesting. And like Steve Santani and Olaf, we came out of that relatively unscathed, which I think is, and they were quite stoic as well. Now I'm sure that there's some kind of trauma attached to that. But I think the hostile environment training for those guys is the fact that they were children of the 80s. Do you know what I mean? They probably were letting themselves in the house at 10 years old, drinking out of the hose, staying up until the streetlights came on, burning their ***** on aluminium slippery dips, all of those things. 

Breaking bones at little lunch. 

Exactly. 

Keep going for the day. 

They breed them tough. And I think that's what probably held them in good sense. 

Flying foxes. But weren't they dangerous? 

Well, yeah, and I mean, but also in the 80s, it was, you were taught strange danger and things like that. So as much as you were allowed to free roam, there was always the fear that was instilled in you from the adults. It wasn't so much that they'd enforce anything, but they'd certainly try and scare you into enforcing things yourself. So stranger danger and the fear of being kidnapped was a real thing. 

Earthquakes, quicksand, really triangle. 

So there's a very real chance that when it happened, they're probably like, oh *** **** it, my mother told me about this. She's going to be insufferable after this. I mean, I'm trying to shed light on a fairly bleak story there, but that had a pretty good outcome. This next one, unfortunately, doesn't have good an outcome. And we all remember the JonBenet Ramsey case. It was a huge case, that 9-11 call. 

It began the day after Christmas, 1996, on a quiet st in Boulder, Colorado. Just before 6 in the morning, Patsy Ramsey made a frantic 9-1-1 call after finding a ransom note in her kitchen and her daughter missing. 

Police. What's fine on there, man? We are kidnapping. Explain to me what's going on, okay? There's a note left and our daughter's gone. A note was left and your daughter is gone? How old is your daughter? Six years old. She's gone. Six years old. 

Yeah, it was, look, and unfortunately it was a really bad outcome. It was the worst outcome. Six-year-old John Benet Ramsey was found murdered in a Colorado home on Boxing Day in 1996. And this case, I just remember, for years and years and years, and this is almost a decade after the fact, the media were completely obsessed with it. And it had a lot to do with that child beauty queen, child beauty pageant type thing. And the fact that, kid was very much in that child beauty pageant scene. And a lot of the photos that you'd see on the cover of those magazines that I was talking about before were of those beauty pageant type photos. And it was like, there's obviously creepy guys following, people following these beauty pageants around. 

And they were dressed up like older women. They weren't dressed up like children. There was also the ransom note, which was kind of bizarre in itself as well. And a lot of scrutiny many of her parents over the years. 

The parents were judged fairly harshly in the media by my recollection. But when we get to fast forward to August in 2006, the investigation is going nowhere. Nothing's happened, there's been no charges, none of that stuff. And then suddenly, In August, American school teacher John Mark Carr is arrested in Bangkok after months of communicating with a documentary maker who is investigating the case. So somebody's picked it up, done this true crime documentary. He's like, you know, I've got a lead here. And this guy, John Mark Carr, confesses to being with JonBernet Ramsey when she died and he keeps saying her death was an accident. 

He's then deported to the US. There's wall-to-wall media coverage. I remember this one. Less than two weeks later, though, DNA testing ruled him out. Investigators found no evidence he'd even been in Colorado when the murder occurred and the case was dropped. But he did keep saying, I love Jon Benet and she died accidentally. Over and over. 

You had to be suspicious. of the fact that it was like somebody who was obviously trying to get an angle to sell a story of a case that had gone cold. And immediately speculation ran rife about the legitimacy of it anyway. So when it was disproved, I mean, it didn't stop the media from being whipped into a complete frenzy again. And I remember it quite well because they're like, they got him, they've got someone. But it just was not the case. And I think it's one of the biggest examples that you will see of one of those fake confessions in true crime history. 

Yeah, and it also shows how easily the 24 hour could turn an investigation into this media circus even before the evidence has come in. 

Yeah, but what it was, the guy, so the guy was obsessed. with the case. He was obsessed with the case. And almost everything that he had mentioned when he was confessing had been content that had already been published in books or on documentaries or news reports. So he was just consuming a lot of information. And it was a lot of information that was easy to access because the media were going crazy with it. So it was really easy to get hold of. This is why I think investigators now are a bit more cautious about publicly identifying suspects, for example, Before a lot of that forensic evidence is complete, because you don't wanna sort of get all these people coming out of the woodwork just making **** up. Well, a change of pace, the technology and innovation segment has reared its. 

It has the innovation arm of the technology and innovation. 

You've found an innovation. So there's no groundbreaking technical discovery or milestones or anything. You've just found a gadget that you want to talk about. 

I've just been hanging out in the way back machine in the innovations catalogue from August 2006. 

And this was one of the big sellers from August in 2006. 

And yes, I'm going to take us back to a time where every lounge room had a piece of exercise equipment that promised to body workout, but mostly became an expensive clothes horse. 

For 20 years, people have asked me, Tony, is it really possible to lose weight, get in shape, tone up, swim down, and have fun doing it? And I tell them, of course it is! You can do it! 

Toni, the total body trainer has been an amazing success for over 20 years. Why has it been so popular for so long? 

Because it's total body exercise. It's total body fun. If she leans forward, she's working her chest, she's working her **** she's working her legs. If she leans back, she's working her core, she's working the inside of her thighs, she's working her arms. And if she's stopped right now and she wants to stretch out, she's got total body stretching. 

Was this one of those ones? It's like an elliptical, but it was just like a swing for your legs and your arms. So you kind of. 

Excuse me? 

A series of levers. 

Excuse me. Just. 

Yes, just. 

We're talking about. 

You're the one that said it was it ended up being an expensive clothes horse. 

Well, yes, but that's mainly because people are too lazy. 

Out in the shed and you need to make a cocoa. 

That's on the purchaser, not on the equipment. 

I mean, we've got one out in the shed at the moment that I've got the rags for the cars drying on. 

This is the brilliant air walker slash jogger, low impact, full body exercise that folds to fit into a cupboard. 

Is brilliant the brand or part of the description? 

I'm not sure. 

They're just like it's brilliant. 

I'm not sure. It said brilliant air walker jogger across the top in the innovations catalogue. 

To fit into a cupboard. That's important information. 

That's probably the biggest selling point. 

Yeah. 

Would you like to hear the description from the catalogue? 

Absolutely. And please, like, let's, you know, let's have some polish. 

Okay. 

Put some polish around this. Put a bit of stank on it. 

All right. 

Yeah. 

The smooth gliding action of this air walker lets you walk or jog without placing undused strain on your joints. Feature packed, it has been designed to give you an even more complete workout. Roll the air walker out of the way on smooth casters. Tone arms and upper body with the moving handles. Adjust the resistance using your body position and weight. Non-slip foot pads, stomach support pads, sturdy metal construction. Measures 145 by 51 by 68 centimetres, packed to easy for... Packed for easy home assembly, maximum weight 120 kilos, $299. Wow. 

I was just, okay. That was nice. 

Was it? 

Yeah. 

You want to buy one? 

I don't know if I want to buy one of them. 

I just remember. 

If you could, yeah, that was good. 

I feel like a lot. There was a lot of crossover between the Innovations catalogue and TVSN. 

There was. 

And I've recently learnt, because I have come across someone who worked at TVSN. 

Is it like a symbiosis, so they together? 

I have discussed, yes. Well, I was talking about TVSN one day And someone said, I used to work there. 

What? 

And I said, what? You were going to regret telling me that. Yeah, really. Because I'm obsessed with people, as you know. 

She is going to be a pain in your ***. 

Yes, she made the mistake. So I think I'm allowed like one question every time I talk to them. 

Right. 

Like I'm being limited. 

So, and is that question like, how much would I expect to pay? 

No, I'm generally asking about Moira because you know Moira went to work there after Good Morning Australia. She went over there. Yes, I'm asking about Moira. And I was asking about the staff discounts because I was actually thinking about going and working there, because if the discount was good, it'd be worth it. 

One question at a time. 

Sorry. 

How is Moira? 

Great. Lovely. 

She's good. She's working. Still kicking on, doing products. 

Well, this person doesn't work there now, when they did work there. 

At time of... 

And they got some really good discounts, so it sounds like a good workplace. 

Tell me about the staff discount. 

Good. 

Right. 

Good. And they do this thing, I think, like, could we? 

Good. Staff discount. Good. I'm glad we've cleared that up. 

Great. But then they told me. 

Yes. 

TVSN and the Innovations come up with the same thing. 

Yeah, they are. There you go. 

I didn't know this. But it makes so much sense. 

Yeah. 

Because do you remember on TVSN, they had the air walker and they had about four or five people lined up on separate air walkers walking on air during the segment. Pulling the levers as the legs are talking and then interviewing them while they're air walking. 

I do remember that. Their legs going at the same time, rocking back and forward. 

So innovative. 

Well, and fun. Fun, apparently. 

It looked like a lot of fun. 

Do you reckon? I don't think it was fun. 

But it's good on the joints. And that's what we need. But I love the biggest selling point. 

It might be good after a couple of joints. I don't know. But anything is. 

The biggest selling point wasn't the workout. It was that it folded away into a cupboard for when you just didn't want to do the workouts. 

And that's where it was then stays forever. 

And early 2000s really was the era of fitness. 

There was a lot of them, wasn't there? 

Yeah, Walker. There was the, well, the ab, the ab, they started with the ab. ab roller, and then there was the ab chair, then there was the ab swing, then there was the ab king pro. 

That really evolved. 

I had the ab roller, and I had the ab swing. 

And that was that frame, that curved frame. 

That was the roller, and you lay down and you roll. 

And you hold onto the frame and you just roll forward in the frame. 

But then there was the seat and you sat in the seat and you held the handles and you pulled your legs in and then you moved them to the side. 

Which you were demonstrating with a plumb on that office chair. 

Yeah. Wasn't it? 

Again, seamless, you do that, seamless, do that, make that action while you're doing the voiceover, and we, you, I don't think I think it'll be a clean up on aisle 3, if I'm being honest, yeah, there was that. 

What else did we have? No, remember the one where you put the thing in your legs and you close your legs? 

What was that one? The Thigh Master. 

The Thigh Master with Suzanne Summers. 

Yes, and you squeeze your thighs together. 

Yeah, that's probably more 90s than early 2000s. 

And then there was the one if you've got a door, you've got a gym. 

Oh, total gym. 

Yeah, is that what that was? If you've got a door, you've got a gym. Suck it up, princess or something like that. 

That's good. The twist boards. 

And you stood on it. 

And you held a handle. 

Oh, yes, you did. I think the prototypes of that, the first ones they sold, didn't have a handle on them. And I feel like they needed to kind of pivot because people were getting injured. 

The Vibra plate? They're back in fashion. 

A Vibra plate. 

Yeah, we stand on the vibrating plate. 

Oh, right. 

Remember. 

I thought that was like a dinner plate that vibrated so it makes you really work for your food. 

Flying off to the side, there goes my meatballs. 

Can't pick that one up. Certainly losing weight now that I've started using this Vibra plate. 

No, it was a board that you stood on. 

Yeah, right. 

And then you, just because it wobbles your muscles. 

So you stand on it while you're trying to eat. 

No, it just makes your muscles control. They're back in. 

They're back in. The vibra plates. 

Yeah, I don't, they're called something else now. I think it's just a vibrating plate. People stand on them and it just apparently gives you muscles for nothing. You don't have to do anything. 

I've seen some viral videos where some ladies have been sitting on them and it's. 

Do you remember the one? 

Doing something for them. 

The one was like an inversion machine. I can't remember what it was called. But you put yourself in it. 

And then you go upside down. 

And you put yourself back and hang upside down. But it was like a cheap, a cheap like, yeah, innovations version. 

Yeah, I think there's some people really probably themselves up with one of those things. 

You know, you'd have to assemble it yourself too. Often no instructions. It's very dangerous. 

Needs me, I'll be inverted for the next half an hour. It was a simpler time. I mean, you know. 

I do miss the gadgets. 

Do you? 

Yeah, remember my Orbitrek? 

Yeah, public liability be damned. 

Loved my Orbitrek. 

I used to go out and listen to lots of music out in the shed on your Orbitrek. Get a good album in and then you'd come inside. 

What was the other one, The Firm, where I had the hand weights? 

Oh yeah. 

And it had all the different DVDs where you did this. And the hand weights, you just add little weight plates to the end. That was good. 

Not the John Grisham novel. No, the hand weights. That's right. That's the firm. Anyway, it's the music segment now. 

Sorry, I'm still in the innovations. 

I understand. I understand. 

My heart is still in innovations. 

It's hard to jump from world to world in our little time-travelling multiverse that we've got, but we're over in music land right now. Music land. If we were going to do an amusement. park would be in music land now and we'd be getting ready to ride the Australian charts and the UK charts with Shakira because she's still number one there with Hips Don't Lie and let's go over to the US charts. 

Wanna go down like that I can't get all for you 'Cause everything I seek is true And I don't want no substitute Baby, I've been waiting, waiting Think I wanna make a move Now, baby, tell me if you like it Tell me if you like it I think you're crazy I think you're crazy I miss you with girl Whatever you are I'm all alone And it's you that I want I miss you, boy You already know Yeah, I'm all gone What you waiting for? 

At least there's some movement there. Things are changing up, which is really good. 

Two new inches. 

Because a couple of weeks ago for a couple of weeks, it was just the same stuff. 

Same thing. 

Yeah. But now not. Now not, things happen. Why I forget to talk? 

Promiscuous #1. Crazy #2. Me and you #3. Nothing new there. Same old thing. 

No. 

But we get to #4 and #5. Hello new entries. Deja Vu, beyonc� and Jay-Z in a #4. And Fergie Ferg, London Bridge at #5. 

That's why I'm struggling to do things that require brain activity because Fergie came onto the charts and I immediately became less intelligent. she's a black-eyed pea. Like, I just don't like him. 

Yeah, I've still got feelings about that. 

Exactly, because she did that London Bridge thing, and I'm sure we'll have a conversation about that at some stage. 

Saving that for next week. We've got two new entries this week. We're going to focus on Deja Vu by beyonc�. 

So deja vu, which is something that I think listeners of this podcast would experience due to the fact that my short-term memory is pretty much shot as I fastly approach 50. And quite often I find myself telling the same stories. And I'm fairly certain that I've probably done that on numerous occasions in this podcast. 

Yeah, me too. 

Apologies for that. 

Also reminds me of the nightclub I used to go to. That was meant for over 25s, but I was under 25. 

Were you? 

I know. 

That's disgraceful. 

So outrageous. 

Is that just because you looked old and haggard even when you were young? 

Yeah, pretty much. 

Good stuff. 

No one asked. No one questioned it. 

Wow, that's. 

Ray Martin was there once. 

Well, of course he was. 

Well, actually, no, I think he was downstairs, but he talked to me. Lovely guy. 

Well, he would have got in no problems. 

Yeah, he was over 25, well over 25. 

Probably a table with bottle service or something to that effect. 

But not that deja vu we're talking about. Lead single from her second album, B-Day. 

Not the thing that you wash your *** with. 

No, and not birthday either. I'm thinking it's beyonc� Day. 

So it's B day. It's B apostrophe DAY, not BIDET. 

Yeah, I think so. 

Not like the Japanese toilets. No, She probably would have got less complaints if it was. 

She recorded the album in just two weeks, inspired by her 25th birthday. maybe it was. Wanting a more live funk driven sound and reunites her with Jay-Z after the success of Crazy and Love. 

Like they make it sound so impressive. She recorded it in two weeks. She didn't write it in two weeks. She recorded it in two weeks. 

It takes a lot out of your voice singing all those songs. 

Yeah, well she's young and fit. 

Worldwide hits reached number one in the UK, top 15 here in Australia. Praised for its horn heavy funk sounds. 

There's a bit of horn in there. 

Sampled a 1979 song called Do It to You Satisfied by BT Express. But it wasn't, nobody really, everyone's like, yeah, sounds good. Yep, great. beyonc�, Jay-Z back together. Yep, I was happy. 

I actually was getting a bit tired of beyonc� at this stage. I mean, she's a mega star. The rest of the world clearly weren't, but she's just, she's the hit factory. And I feel like that there was a bit of backlash with this hit. 

There was not because of the song. This is where it gets interesting. The video premieres. Fans launched an online petition asking Columbia Records to reshoot the entire clip because they thought it was confusing, over edited and too sexually suggestive. 

I agree. 

I watched it. I watched it today and I felt seasick. 

There's a lot of stuff going on. 

There's a lot of over the shoulder filming. It's a bit janky. There's a lot of zooming in and zooming out, like the person's just discovered the zoom button and going... She's moving a lot and she changes costumes a lot unexpectedly. Like I need a bit of warning when you're going to change into a different beyonc�. It's too much. And it just felt like that time I ate, I had too much creatine and got dizzy. 

Yeah, right. That's the effect it had on you. 

It didn't feel good. So I agree. I would have signed this petition had I watched the video in 2006. 

I've just given my parent a video camera and now I am at their movie night and I'm watching them use all the features of the camera all at once. Yes. 

Look what this can do. 

In a very short amount of time because there's zooming and panning and zooming and panning and focusing and drop focusing and blurs and all of these things. 

And very shaky, shaky hands, nervous. 

And then they get to the edit and they start doing more things to it. And it is an over-engineered piece of of trash. That's what it is. I don't mind the sexually suggestive stuff. 

No, that's fine. That's fine. Yeah, it's just. 

I need something to distract me from the in and out and the in and out of the zooming. Or maybe that was where the sexually suggestive thing was. He's like, I'm ******* you with the camera. I don't know. Do you know what I mean? Well, that's what the zoom is, you know. 

I don't know that that's where they were going, but the petition was an online because this is when we started. There was actually a website called petition online, I think. 

Right. 

Well, the online petitions. For people who wanted to start petition, petitions were really big in the audience. 

Before change.org, there was petition online. It's not a very sexy name, is it? 

But this is when we realised people power, we can all complain online. Great. 

And get our own way. 

Fabulous. Fabulous. Let's complain. 

I feel like this is a bad lesson for us to learn because it certainly has taken off. 

Petition online doesn't exist anymore. 

No. 

But I found the petition. It was in the Prince online fan community. 

Was it in the? 

In the music colon non-prints forum. 

Oh, okay. So it has been filed correctly. 

Good file conventions. The petition opens with two Columbia Records, the division of Sony BMG. This petition is for the advocacy of having Ms. beyonc� Knowles, Columbia Records, Music World Entertainment, and all other entities associated with the creative process of creating the long-form music video known as Deja Vu reshoot aforementioned video immediately. 

Wow. See, that's good. That's a good solid opening. 

Clear. 

We know exactly what they want. 

Yep, and I think that's. 

As soon as you get those keywords. 

Like entities, entities is official. 

Entities aforementioned and you actually name the full name of the business. 

Long form, long form. 

You use the correct salutations. It's really good. It's so far. 

You're impressed? 

Outstanding. 

You sign. Where do you sign? 

Absolutely. 

It then lists the reasons. A. There is no clear story or theme to the video. 

Check. 

B, the dancing is erratic, confusing, and alarming at times. 

That's a line ball. And I think it's confusing and alarming because of the camera movement as well. 

It's alarming with the costume changes that you're not expecting to be like, beyonc� was wearing a different outfit. Now, whoa, how did this happen? 

And the in and out motion of the zoom lens as well. 

That's erratic. 

It is. It's like. 

And confusing. 

Yes, I feel like it's like having sex with your eyes. 

I think this, I think that argument supports C, these sex sexual themes beyond beyonc� and Jay-Z were alarming and show unacceptable interactions between the two. 

I think they're married. 

I don't think they're married at this stage. 

Oh, they're not. Oh, they're doing the unacceptable interactions out of wedlock. 

Yes. 

Oh, well, okay. 

D, the fashion was unbelievable and ridiculous. 

Well, have you seen a celebrity? Have you actually seen one in the wild? 

I don't know about D. I don't know about D. I don't know if I agree. I don't feel that it was ridiculous. Like I wouldn't wear it, but it wasn't. It wasn't like wearing a shoe for a hat, ridiculous. It was just not my taste. I feel like D. Bit harsh. Maybe undermines the petition a bit. 

I think all of the points up until now are kind of invalid because there is no clear story or theme to a music video. That's like every music video almost ever made. Doesn't matter. 

Doesn't matter. 

Some have stories. 

We're not comparing to others. We're just talking about the aforementioned video. 

Furtado and the dog, for example, that had a story. Okay, I know it's and I get it in the context of the aforementioned video, but I feel like it is still the foundation for the outrage and it needs to be benchmarked. Do you know what I'm saying? So the sexual themes between beyonc� and Jay-Z were alarming and show unacceptable interactions between the two. Again, it's music video and those things occur. 

Well, the dancing was alarming. 

Yeah, and then an unbelievable and ridiculous fashion. 

Again, I think DI, yeah, that's. 

But what I will say is the last three, the last three are straight home runs and they are absolutely why this video needs to be reshot. 

I'm putting that 100 emoji on all of these. 

Echo vis-a-vis immediately. 

The editing causes one to get dizzy and disoriented. See previous comment about the creatine. 

Absolutely proven. Yes. 

F. The overall feel leaves a sense of much to be desired. 

I wholeheartedly agree. 

That's what I thought. This leaves a lot to be desired. So I think I actually said that when I watched it. 

I got to the end of it and I was like, I still desire so many more things. 

A lot of things. 

It hasn't achieved. So much. There are so much more desire left in me. I am absolutely, I am overflowing with desire at the end of this. I have not. 

And it's not because of the alarming and unacceptable interactions. 

No, I have not experienced any satisfaction and I am currently filled with desire. 

Gee. This video is not a clear representation of any of the song's themes. 

Absolutely. 

We didn't see any deja vu's in there. was no nightclub with Ray Martin. 

No. 

There was no flashback to something that you have said before in another podcast and repeated again. 

There was no... young girl under 25 trying to sneak into there with a fake over 25 ID. there was none of these things. And just in general, there was no deja vu to speak of as far as anything recurring. There was one beyonc�, one Jay-Z in the film clip. 

And lots of outfit changes. 

Yes. 

None recurring. 

Unique outfits. Hardly a deja vu by the definition of the word. 

But that is not where the petition ended. 

I think you should say That is not where standing. The petition ended thusly. 

Not with standing points A to G. No, where standing. 

I've invented a new word. Just go with it. It's basically where standing is basically when you can only stand up during a full moon. he's where standing, it's a full moon. 

We also have demands. 

Yes. 

This didn't say this, but the fans then go on to say, and I quote, we... 

The royal we, the undersigned, the undersigned, aforementioned ergo vis-a-vis notwithstanding. 

Ask that an alternative video be shot featuring more choreographed and less spontaneous dancing, clearer visual themes that relate to the lyrics. 

Yeah, I'd look, I'm not so much on the choreography and the dancing, but definitely clearer visual themes that relate to the lyrics. 

Less gyrating. 

That's borderline. I'm not going to sign if there's less gyrating. No, I want some gyration. I want some gyration with my more choreographed and less spontaneous dancing. I want less, I want planned gyration. 

Less scenes of non-existent sexual chemistry between Mr. Carter and Ms. Knowles. 

That just feeds into some kind of Hollywood Illuminati plot that they'll put together as like puppets, figureheads. 

Less zooming and quick cut edits. 

I support that. Look, the last point is probably the most valid and the one that would win my series. 

Oh, that and the visual themes that pertain to deja vu-ing. 

Yes, look, and really they did put a lot of the blame squarely on the shoulder of the director of this film. Sophie Muller, Mueller. 

Mueller, I'm going to say. 

Mueller, Mueller, anybody? 

They suggested replacing Sophie with someone acclimated to urban themes. 

Oh, yes, right, okay. 

They specifically mentioned Hype Williams. Hype Williams being the brains behind... 

A Busta Rhymes. 

Woo-ha, woo-ha. No scrubs, my money, my problems, getting ***** with it. Basically, any Video clip that looks like it was filmed inside a cheese grater. 

Should have been a Hype Williams. 

No, that is Hype Williams signature. You've seen people get inside the cheese graters and start dancing around. It's like, oh, yeah, that looks like that looks like my money, my problems. That looks like woo-ha. 

Dancing in the cheese grater. 

Yeah, that's Hype Williams's look. So, yeah, they look, I like that they didn't just... 

Because when you say a cheese grater, I'm thinking of like people shaving flesh off their body and bleeding it all over the floor. You're talking about like they're sort of pinhole light beaming through. 

So people have been doing it on the socials. They take a photo of a cheese grater inside the cheese grater, they light it up, and then they shrink themselves down and they dance in it. 

It looks inside it, man. 

Hyp Williams vibes. 

Think of how much money they would have saved. 

I like that the people complaining here and signing, they didn't just complain. They came with solutions. 

They did. 

They came with solutions. They they wanted and they even suggested, they even suggested an alternative. I agree. 

I think that there should be a. And that's very constructive. 

I don't know what it's doing in the Prince Forum, but it's very constructive. 

Well, you know, it's obviously been buried somewhere and it needs to see the light of day. I can see like a DIY Hype Williams film at home yourself kit complete with complimentary cheese grater in the Innovations catalogue. 

See what I did there? 

I tried to create a little bit of deja vu within the music segment. And I think that's, you don't have to like everything that is art, but you still have to appreciate it. And I'd like to appreciate it. 

That was art. That was art. 

Yeah. 

Speaking of art, we also have an album release. 

Well, all the good art happens in Paris. 

Even though the guys are crazy, even though the stars are blind, if you show me real love, baby, I'll show you mine. 

I just realised how that sounded, and it's actually not how I meant it. No, I don't say that. It's not what I meant. At Paris, with Paris, there you go. That's what I should have said. 

Paris the art capital. 

It's gone now. It's off. It's out of here. 

Paris. Paris's album Paris is released this week, 20 years ago. I have it on CD. I proudly have it on CD. I was never ashamed. I love it. I love it. And I particularly love that song, Stars are Blind. 

I remember being violently against it when it first came out. 

You were very annoyed that I bought it. 

Yeah. 

At the time I remember. But I've got to say, it's freaking catchy. 

I've got to say, I like that kind of cruisy coastal reggae thing. You know, I could probably sit back on a balcony watching the ocean, sipping a few cocktails. 

Oh, even though the guys are crazy. 

Singing that **** to myself, yeah. 

Amazing. And the video clip, she was looking hot. That's hot. 

Well, yeah. 

Most people assumed it was going to be a bit of a publicity stunt rather than a serious music project because she's obviously come off the back of the simple life at this stage. There was obviously the big scandal a couple of years ago as well. She's released a few kind of quirky books. And she brings this out. She threw a bit of money at it. 

I think that was the thing. It's like if you've got money and get yourself a good producer. 

We get Scott Storch, who's worked with beyonc�, 50 Cent, Christina. 

You can put out an album. And even if you're kind of lampooned at the time, if you've got a good producer behind it, because there's obviously people that love or hate Paris at this stage, and the haters are going to obviously flock around it. But ultimately, 20 years down the line, I think history's been pretty kind to Stars Are Blind. And I think it's because she invested in a decent producer. 

Yeah. Sounds good. Sounds great. International hit, Stars are Blind. Top 20 in Australia, in the UK and US. The follow-up single was Nothing in This World. It charted not as strongly. 

Yeah, don't remember that one actually. 

It's on the album. I can go get it out of the shed. 

Oh, okay. It's really cold out in the shed and I think they're spiders. 

It's become a cult classic. Plenty of millennials defend it. Yeah, she was. It's gotten a bit of a cult following over the years. And I mean, listening to it now, it wouldn't be too far fetched for someone like Sabrina Carpenter, for example, to release something that sounds similar to that. I think it holds. I think something like that could be put out today and be successful. 

I think, well, I remember, and it had a bit of a renaissance on the socials, really, where Paris was spotted at some event and it had come on. The song had come on and she was dancing and singing along to her own song and just living her best life. And I thought, that's, that is living, like good for you? 

Well, I was watching the video today and then I read the comments and it related, Ms. Boom, Boom, Boom, Boom, Boom commented, Paris Hilton once said that when she listens to her music, she cries. Honestly, that's the most iconic thing I've ever heard. And what I love, if you go and watch the video clip and you read the comments, Paris personally, Likes all the comments. 

Are you serious? 

And still is liking them. So comments that have come... I'm not sure, but all the ones that are... No, I reckon it's her. 

I reckon she reads the comments. 

I love it. I'm going to believe it's her. A few other comments. Lulu Christie, when I gave birth to my first daughter in 2006, this song was playing on the radio. At that point I'd been in labour in the hospital for around 48 hours and the radio had been on all that time playing this song one or two times each hour. I'm not exaggerating. It was a smash here in Denmark. I was getting a bit tired of the song, but sorry. 

Unlike Candyman, which we were talking about by Christina Aguilera, I think the other week, that was being played in the car while she was being driven off to prison. 

At Ya Moon Sung. Who else is drunk and single and nostalgic for when you were sober and single? 

Sure. 

I love your comments. 

Yeah, that's nice. That's nice. I'm glad that it's not like all hate. Yes, read out Blue Ha. I'm a 6 foot 2, 125 kilo bloke. I played rugby back in the day when this came out and I used to play this all the time and pretended I was being ironic, but secretly loved it. I am now 42 with three kids and bad knees and still sing along to this when it comes up on my playlist. 

Amazing. 

That's a great comment. 

Amazing. Sophie Birch, 7076. Paris has always been my guilty pleasure. I am a 59 year old grandma who loves her music, her perfumes, her TV shows, even watched her cooking and loved every minute. Now eagerly awaiting the arrival of her book. 

Yes, and then it's Frankie Alex replies, go off grandma. 

Yes. And you, Camilo, I love you grandma, you rock. And then I came across this comment at Peter Lullaway 3498. Pete's wife here, 52, and she my quilty reality star. 

I think she means quality reality. 

Or guilty. 

Guilty reality star. 

I'm not sure. 

It could be guilty. It could be quilty. She could be into making like quilts. 

I don't actually think it's Pete's wife here. I think it's Pete. 

Really. 

Pete's just, you know, tried to put an accent on to make it sound like... 

Like when you, yeah. 

Pete's wife here, but I think Pete secretly loves Paris. 

It's like when you go to the chemist and you have to buy some kind of embarrassing medicine. 

You're like, I always do that, yeah, when I have to buy I buy stuff for, like, my toe fungus. I was, Oh no, this is because I go, Have you used it before? I'm like, Yeah, my partner has. He's used it a lot. Yeah, excellent. 

I'm glad that you're picking up your hormone replacement therapy on my behalf as well. Thanks. I'm running out of those testosterone patches as well. go and pick up. No, of course. Let's go to the box office. That's the best place to be right about now. Well, we've got all the number one in the US was still Talladega Nights, The Ballad of Ricky Bobby. And then in Australia, we talked about it previously, the number one in the box office there was Miami Vice with Colin Farrell and Jamie Foxx. 

So we'll just have to talk about TV. And we had a premiere of a show that I think only lasted about That's right. 

It was, it was, look, it wasn't bad in principle, but what it was, a concept that was completely stolen from the ABC. 

Correct. 

So this is like commercial TV just going, oh, what's going on over on the ABC? There's this show called Speaks and Specs that's wildly popular. It's really popular. I love it. And it's rating its **** off. What are we going to do? Well, we need to do our own Speaks and Specs. So we're going to do a show called You Maybe Right. And that will be our Temu, because the song, you may be right. the Billy Joel song, really good version by me right there. Could have actually been used for the theme. You could have been on the show. It was ahead of my time. 

I think they sang on the show, didn't they? 

Behind my time, maybe. Anyway, they wanted to do Speaks and Specs prime time commercial TV, so they did You May Be Right. And it was actually based on a a Swedish show called Dobby Doo, right? So it's like a celebrity panel quiz type format. It looked, smelled, quacked, exactly like Speaks and Specs when you watch it. So it was premiered on Channel 7, this time 20 years ago, hosted by Todd McKenney, who was still on contract probably from Dancing with the Stars or something like that. And it was a whole bunch of pop culture questions backed by a house band, which was the Scared Weird Little Guys, the comedian duo. And then were like, this is just speaks and specs. 

Yes. 

And they went, no, it's Dobby Doo. 

But not as good. Behind the scenes production was a mess, faulty buzzers, teleprompter issues. There was a really famous bit where his teleprompter wasn't working, poor old Todd. And a four-hour recording for a one-hour show. Ratings collapsed. Oh, four episodes. It was. Seven pulled the plug after just four episodes. It's funny because I was working at the Seven affiliate station at that stage. So I was doing. 

And we were also watching ****** and Specs and big fans of that show at the time. 

Before it started, but before it started, they were promoting the out of it. And I did so many voices, voiceovers for it in the lead up. And then it was just like, oh yeah, that stopped. No more. 

See you later. 

And it was a really good example of networks going, oh, people love the format. Let's just copy it. Kind of like what we were talking about with we had Dancing with the Stars happening on 7 and then you had this skating stars stacky thing over on 9. It's like, oh, we'll just steal the format, change it a little bit so we don't completely copy it. But usually the copies don't really work out. It proved that chemistry beats budget and that's the thing, ****** and specs. Not only was it the format, it worked really well because of the host Adam Hills and the regular panelists, Alan and Miff, who were amazing and the chemistry between them and their guests. 

And they had a common thread every episode that would bring everything through. It was just a perfect show. Like that was simple and it was authentic and it was great. And then as with all commercial stuff, they were like trying to bottle that lightning and then sell it themselves. I mean, this happens in music all the time. 

Yeah. 

Look at grunge. Great example. You start out with Nirvana and Pearl Jam and Soundgarden and then at the other end you end up with Creed. Do you know what I mean? And this is basically the same thing. And I mean, Adam Hills was funny because after they got axed, they only lasted 4 episodes. They got rid of it. And Adam Hills comes on and goes, welcome to Speaks and Specs, the music show. That may be right. But like, and this is the thing, there's talented people on you may be right. This was an example from the first episode. Okay, and now bizarre musical game. 

You will hear the lyrics of one song to the tune of another. 

It's a game we like to call Looney Tunes. And here's the Scaredy's with an example. I'll come for you at nighttime. I will raise you from your sleep. I will kiss you in four places as I go running along your street. And we will never meet again, so shed your skin. Let's get started, and you will throw your arms around me. Hunters and collectors, sorry. Yeah. So I mean, that's great. But they did that on speaks and specs as well. Probably better. 

Yeah. 

Do you know what I mean? And more live and less rehearsed. 

That's even the way Todd was speaking, it felt very scripted and rehearsed. Whereas speaks and specs felt a lot more natural and off the cuff and you got those real reactions to things. 

And I think that the recordings like, you know, you talk about like a four hour recording for a one hour show. You can be in a studio audience and you can see your one hour show, maybe take two to four hours to record. And if the vibe's good, that's great. But if it's marred by technical issues and let's do this again. 

Sitting there watching that for four hours. 

Ruling, especially while they're struggling with equipment and teleprompters. 

You'd be getting up there trying to help. 

I'd be like, I'll fix it for you. I'm really good at that sort of stuff. Very handy with that stuff. 

It was also a time when networks were a lot quicker to axe flops. You don't see that as much these days because things are recorded as packages in lots and paid for ahead of schedule but back then there was quite a few shows I remember even at the station that I was at where it would air for two or three episodes and they'd just cut their losses and go nope this isn't working done and they didn't even really give it much of a chance or if they had filmed a whole season they'd shelve it and then use it for summer programming or they'd put it in like a 10.30, 11.30 at night time slot. 

Yeah, and just trot it out to get rid of it. It's a real shame, actually. And it's a real shame that, you know, this always happens in the creative arts space, whether, and even if it's commercial or whatever, whether it's TV or radio or film or whatever, where it's like the bean counters get into the heads of the creatives and they throw a bunch of money at it and they say, do that thing that you did before and do it again. 

Or do that thing that person's over there is doing. Copy that because that's working. 

Because that's money. And immediately that doesn't work because people have a really good nose for authenticity and they can smell a fake a mile away. And it just seems like they never learn. And the great shame of it is, that early 2000s, we're getting to a stage where reality TV is so much cheaper to produce and all you're really paying for is crew costs and talent. Talent falls by the way. All these people that have been working all of their lives in the business, like the scared weird little guys and even Todd McKenney and all of that, honing their craft and perfecting it, end up on a trash heap because reality TV is coming in to take all the jobs. At least, at least there's still space for like cameramen and sound recordists and editors. But I mean, it won't be too much longer before that goes as well. That was kind of bleak, wasn't it, the way we ended that last segment? I mean, this is what happens when you open the boombox at the start of the show. It can sort of set the tone. 

Yes. 

We can get a bit more wowsery in the episode when we do that, which is what I think I did then. 

But now you should start a petition. You're erratic, confusing, and alarming at times. 

Really? Well, maybe, yes I am, all the time, actually. I'm surprised you've made it. 

It causes one to get dizzy and disoriented. 

Exactly, and I'm surprised you've made it this far. 

But if you have... 

Hatches, matches, and dispatches clue. And again, I just, I feel like it's going to take a pretty dark turn because I said at the start, I don't think I'm going to like this guy. A celebrity. A celebrity who was born this time 20 years ago who said this? 

I found that I'm aging rapidly. I've calculated it and in three months I'm going to look like this. I need to prepare for my future. So I bought a bunch of old people products. No, I didn't buy dentures. I didn't buy a wheelchair even though I might actually need that. Because my knees sound terrible. How about interesting old people products that if I was old, I wouldn't even think about buying. But maybe they can benefit me. 

Yeah, that's, whoa, man, that's a lot. That's obviously a YouTuber. You can tell by the erratic cuts, the low production value, and the horrible attention details. 

The things that don't relate to the title. 

So editing, and those edits that are just like, it's like a Michael Bay film. It's like every edit goes for two to three seconds that they have to change. It's really annoying, as is that person. I don't even know them. But if you said, I mean, what the f*** is a muffin juice? Apparently Muffin Juice was born on the 13th of August, 2006. And the world will never be the same again. 

Muffin Juice is famous for uploading Fortnite videos around the age of 12 in 2018. Started out on, I think, some of the, what's the gaming one where they filmed themselves gaming. 

Oh, Twitch. 

Twitch. 

Nobody, nobody should be famous at 12. 

Yeah, I don't know. He was on one of those and then he did a YouTube thing. Nothing good. 

Actually, it's not nobody should be famous at 12. Babes are people who have been famous at 12, but nothing good comes from being famous at 12. 

And he's, Shtick was wearing a cardboard box on his head while he was doing, because he did some satire and parody stuff as well. And his whole thing was he, I think sometimes he wore a cardboard box and then sometimes he put a graphic of what looked like a cardboard box, but it was just a square in the cardboard colour with a face on that. 

In researching it, I saw some of it. 

And then there was a video in 2023, very exciting, did a reveal, did a reveal of his actual face, took a cardboard box off his head and went, hey, this is me, I'm muffin juice. Here I am. 

I'm muffin juice. See, that's interesting. I could have started a YouTube channel. My dad used to call me box When I was a kid. 

Muffin juice stole your idea. 

I tell you what, I'd rather be called box head than muffin juice by my father. 

Muffin juice, that just screams when you've like left a muffin in a Ziploc bag in the bottom of your school bag. for too long and it's fermented. 

It's created its own weather pattern. 

Yeah, Hence the muffin juice. But you know, we should just shut up because muffin juice has millions of followers and more money than we'll ever have and makes a living playing games on YouTube. 

Yeah, he's doing a lot better than us. Yeah. 

Happy birthday. 

Yeah, you prick. It makes me feel about bloody 200 years old. Yeah. Like, and you know, we're aging by the minute, so we should probably wrap it up. 

Maybe we should have a look at some of those old people things that Muffin Juice tried in his video. 

No. 

Did you see what they were? What were they? 

Oh, wheelchairs and stuff. I don't know. Like, no. 

Might be helpful. 

No, I'm not going to watch anything, beyond what I've had to do for the research to this show. I'm not going to watch anything created by somebody called Muffin Juice. And he thought of that name when he was 12. So he's got to run with it as well. 

No, I like when you do your signature in year four and then you're stuck with that. 

It's like, I think you pay Microsoft 5 bucks to change your gamer tag. So, you know, when you were 12 and you put Mr. *** **** 69 in there, you can kind of... 

It's good to know. 

As you move into, as you mature into becoming an adult gamer. 

Why haven't you changed yours then? 

Far more responsible name. I actually have. good. 

Bad time. 

Yeah, absolutely. That was not just to be clear, though. 

Yours wasn't muffin juice. 

No, or *** **** 69. They were none of my gamer tag. Had an underscore in there, everybody. 

Had an underscore. 

I'm not going to reveal it, but it was after 69. There was no 69 in my gamer tag. Unfortunately, there's been no 69 in my life for a very long time. And that is the end of the show, which is ended on a fairly negative Boomers style note. So hopefully, hopefully, Mel, there's something a little more positive next week. 

Dizzy and disorienting is erratic. 

Erratic and whatever it was. 

Too many sexual themes. 

Oh. Once again. 

Doesn't relate to the song title. What is next week? If you can give me the rough date, I can tell you. 

What we're coming up. 20th till the 27th of August. 

20th of August. Let's have a look and see what might be happening. Someone retired from the NFL. 

Oh, yeah. 

Oh, Iron Maiden released, I think, an album. 

Oh, good. 

That's exciting. 

I'm excited. 

Yes, and I think there's some true crime. Good. That sounds good, doesn't it? 

Well, it's certainly an improvement of the quality then. We won't be loosening up buttons. We'll be doing something with the number of the beasts. So that sounds good to me. If you're interested, come and find us on the socials where there's lots of activity happening over on the socials pages during the week. Mail shares all sorts of good stuff and it'll certainly clean your algorithm out a little bit if you start liking and following some of that stuff. A little bit more wholesome, a little bit more fun. Just something that's not, you know, serious or filled with rage or hatred or anything like that. Good, clean, fun. And that's what we're all about here. And we're all about you too. Thank you very much for listening to us. Tell your friends as well. Get them to listen to us. Say, hey, I've heard this really good podcast. They're a bit all over the place, but you know, they try. Thought that counts. Exactly. Thanks for your support. We'll see you next week. Search for T-minus 20 podcast on the socials. Bye. 

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