Sexy Came Back

Rewind to 10–16 September 2006, when Pluto's replacement got a name that perfectly matched the chaos, Michael Schumacher shocked Formula One, Dog the Bounty Hunter found himself on the wrong side of the law and Justin Timberlake proved sexy was, in fact, making a comeback.

🪐 Meet Eris... the planet that wasn't. The object that helped get Pluto kicked out of the planetary club was officially named Eris, the Greek goddess of discord. Fitting, considering astronomers are still arguing about Pluto two decades later. Oh, and it was almost called Xena after the warrior princess. Science really missed an opportunity there.

🏎️ Schumacher says goodbye... sort of. Fresh off a win at Monza, Michael Schumacher announced he'd retire at the end of the season while still chasing an eighth world championship. It felt like the end of an era... until he surprised everyone by coming back a few years later.

🤠 Dog gets collared. Reality TV's most famous bounty hunter, Dog Chapman, was arrested over his role in capturing convicted rapist Andrew Luster in Mexico years earlier. It's one of those wonderfully bizarre headlines where the guy whose whole job is arresting people suddenly needed someone to post his own bail.

🎤 Timberlake brings sexy back. Justin Timberlake dropped FutureSex/LoveSounds, the album that transformed him from former boyband heartthrob into one of pop's biggest solo stars. "SexyBack", "My Love", "What Goes Around... Comes Around"—it wasn't just an album, it was a cultural reset powered by Timbaland beats.

🧙 Pretty boys with powers. The Covenant hit cinemas with magic, muscles and enough Abercrombie energy to power an entire shopping centre. Critics rolled their eyes, but hindsight has been much kinder to this gloriously over-the-top supernatural teen flick packed with future stars.

💔 Operation: John Tucker Must Die. Before revenge plots unfolded via Instagram Stories, four girls teamed up to destroy the school's biggest heartbreaker the old-fashioned way. Flip phones, pop-punk and deliciously petty payback—it doesn't get much more 2006 than that.

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The year is 2006. We head to the hills and learn reality is scripted. Your Sony Cyber Shot uploads 462 blurry regrets. A Facebook poke makes everything complicated. And Twitter's like, cool story, you've got 140 characters. Go. T-minus 20. Rewind 20 years with Joe and Mel. Week of 10, September 2006. T-minus 20. Bringing sexy ***. 

I want to forgive you. T-minus 20. I hate this long, decent relationship. And I want to forget you. 

You have no style or sense of fashion. 

This is a beauty. This is very nice. Yeah, boy. 

Welcome to T-minus 20, where we dust off one week from exactly 20 years ago and find out what was actually happening while we were busy customizing MySpace profiles, buying ringtones, convincing ourselves that low-rise jeans look good on everyone. They didn't. And every headline gets a second chance and every forgotten fad gets the reunion tour that it probably didn't ask for. Thanks to us, your host, Joe and Mel. Hello, Mel. 

Hello, actually, speaking of low-rise jeans, see these jeans I've got on here. These are my jeans that I bought in 2001. 

Really. 

Yeah, they are. 

Are they low rise? 

Yeah. 

How do you, how do you, what is low rise? Is that all when it's like right down and you can almost see your *****? 

You've got to shave a little bit more than you probably normally would. Well, look, these are as low as I'd go. They're just on the hip bones. But now that I'm older, I'll wear a body suit. So there's no risk of anything rolling over the top. 

No little **** creeping over the top. 

No, don't need to shave to wear these jeans anymore. 

Just peering over the top of the fence. 

Speakaboo. 

Yeah. 

No, but I loved these jeans when I bought them and that was like so expensive back in the day. I spent all my paycheck from like about 3 weeks on them. So I was like, I'm never throwing these out. And look, good as new. Yeah, they look great. 

They look fantastic. That's the... 

Just wish they were a little bit higher, but you know, we can't have everything. 

Denim is timeless. 

Okay, we are revisiting the stories that everybody was talking about, the movies we queued up for, the music we couldn't escape, and the bizarre moments that somehow slipped through the cracks. Some things have aged well, others have absolutely not. 

No, there's three standout stories this week, though. There's this one. 

Eris, you're a dwarf. Named for the Greek goddess of discord. 

Who would have thought? that astronomy could be so much musical fun. Yeah, that's right. The discovery that kicked Pluto out of the planetary club finally gets its official name and a couple of songs that we will play a little bit later on. 

It has been an exceptional, really exceptional time with Motorsport in more than 30 years has given to me. I really loved every single moment of the good and the bad ones. 

A big bombshell from Michael Schumacher this week, 20 years ago. 

And the federal marshals came to our residence, my son, my brother and of course I and Bess, and arrested me for kidnapping, a felony and a conspiracy, another felony. 

Yeah, dog the bounty hunter. He's in trouble. He's been hunted. 

He's my second favorite dog after the DOGG. 

Really. 

I loved that show. 

He's been caught. He's been taken to the pound. 

He had great hair. 

Dog the bounty hunter. 

He did. He got a mullet and he shaved the sides and he had those sunglasses. 

What's that from that blue that blue stuff that the bikies wear that's kind of the that the stone that blue kind of stone. 

Acid wash. 

No, that's denim. They're not talking about your jeans. You know how they have those the jewellery, the ornaments that kind of look like that American Indian stuff. and it's got the blue kind of stone in it. 

I have no idea what you're talking about. But he bore that, did he? 

Oh, look, whatever it was, it was just this large turquoise blue kind of stone. Yes, exactly. That was Dog the Bounty Hunter. But look, we'll get to that. We'll get to all that very soon. In the absence of having anything really constructive to contribute at the moment, I think, given it's a nostalgia podcast, I was pondering a few things. And it's a question that we could probably repeat many times over and have a multitude of different answers to. I was just thinking to myself, with all of the stimulation we have, last week we were talking about how you've got the internet in your pocket now and screens are everywhere and massive boomer complaints when we opened up the boombox. You should have been there. Go back and have a listen if you like. But it just begs the question, and it really begs the question every week, what is one thing that you could bring back from your childhood that doesn't exist anymore and have in 2026? What is one thing? 

Are you asking me? 

Yeah, I mean, give me one. I could, I can give you hundreds. 

But there's, you know, there's the obvious, like, let's, I mean, they're still around, but things like CDs, you know, going back to the old school music and, you know, taking photos on film and having to get them developed. But I think, one thing that I stumbled across the other day and I thought, geez, that doesn't happen anymore. That's a shame. Letter writing. Back in the day where you would hand write a letter of what had been happening in your life and you'd go down to the post office and you'd buy a stamp and you'd stick it on and you'd mail it off and then the recipient would be waiting a week or two for it to arrive. 

Yes. 

And you just, I think it taught A lot. You could use your modified cursive writing because you used to have to use your fancy writing when you were writing a letter. You learned to be patient. 

Oh, didn't you learn to be patient? 

Then you also kept in touch with people and I think it was more than just this superficial kind of in touch over the social media that we have these days. I felt like it was deeper. And my mum was going through her cupboard the other day and she found a letter. from my dad's grandma, so my great-grandma, so not her grandma on my father's side. And she wrote a letter to my mum pitching about my grandma and the fact that my grandmother hadn't visited her for a while and started a rumor that she'd run off with Gough Whitlam. It was the most wonderful story of how my grandmother, either she got washed away, I've got it here, either she's been washed away with the floods, with all this rain, have been having, or she might have flown to Europe or somewhere with old Gough Whitlam. And then it went on to say that someone else has been very sick. All the ailments, there's lots of talk of ailments and examinations and doctors and yeah, it was great. It was great. And look at that handwriting, isn't that beautiful? 

It is stunning. And it's so lovely that you've kept that. It is one of those things that it's a long, well it's a long gone art form really. 

When did you last? Send a letter. 

I've sent a few Stanley worded emails, but yeah, no letters. 

But everything's email. 

Yeah, but it's also one of those things where it's like, I haven't heard from you for ages, and you can almost play a bit coy and just go, well, I wrote you a letter. 

Yeah. 

Didn't you get it? 

Yeah, post a message to the wrong address. 

That is an amazing thing to bring back. 

I think we should. And I think this is the thing, emails taught us to be so impatient and just this immediate. 

I mean, it sounds like we're opening the boombox a little bit. You know what I reckon we should bring back? 

What would you like to bring back? 

Boredom. Boredom. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. cool to do. So there is no infinite scroll, for example. And it kind of feeds into the fact that, not having a device, I think is the other thing. But bringing back boredom. So you actually get to a point where it's like information stops, entertainment stops. You have to then go and actually be creative. 

Create something yourself. 

And make your own fun. 

Yeah, I used to collect number plates. I used to write down number plates of all the cars in a book and I kept it in my stack hat box along with the rice cake and then the moths ate the rice cake and ate some of my My number plates was very upset. But that's what I did to keep myself occupied. I'd go around and I'd memorise number plates on cars and the type of car it was, what colour it was, make and model. And I just kept this dossier of number plates just in case the police ever needed it. 

Fair dinkum. 

Yeah. 

That's really starting to make me rethink bringing back boredom now. 

I bet you're right. We do need boredom back. I was reading something the other day and it's like we've invented all of these things to make things go faster. So things like your email and your computers and everything. But instead of all that stuff happening faster and giving us more time to be bored, we now have to fill that with other things. Everything has to go fast. We've made you some extra time, but now you need to fill that extra time with more things that need to go fast rather than... Yes, okay. 

Sorry, you just, you just burned. Yeah, no, keep going. Please carry on. I'm with you. 

But you're right. I think boredom is where creativity came from. 

Yeah, and so I feel like we're going to actually end up with this massive creative drought. Or, and this is where people go, I just get AI to do it. And it's like, yeah, but you're being lazy. Like, if you were bored, you wouldn't make AI create your fun. 

No. 

You create it yourself. You know, like we have. Look, at the hard work that you put into the. 

I taught myself to play that, yes. That's not AI. That's not AI. That's legitimate. 

Hadn't picked up a recorder for what, 40 years? 

Not since the percussion band with Mrs. Duffy. 

Exactly. 

Year 2. 

You got out there and you taught yourself. 

I gave it a red hot go. 

How to finger that tune? 

I did, and I, God, I'd fingered it well, didn't I? And then you'd chuck some flange on it. 

Within of its life. Fabulous. I'm a bit flustered after that. It is the hatches, matches, and dispatches clue. Yeah. This week is what it was, birth, death, marriage. This is a birthday this week. 

Birthday? Yeah, birthday. 

It's a celebrity who said this. 

Really just ultimately play with you, what you love, you know, don't ever. Don't ever write music or anything to, quote unquote, make it or, I want to be rich. I want to be famous. It's like ultimately that's poisoning the well, and nothing could come from that. And people will smell that a mile away. 

Now, I'm not entirely familiar with that person, but I do like picking up what they're putting down. 

Yes, well, they were probably bored and taught themselves a musical instrument. 

Exactly. 

And then look where they are. 

That's right. You don't get, you don't, Jimi Hendrix doesn't come from the continuous scroll. that's not who that person is, by the way, just quiet. But that doesn't come from the continuous scroll. That comes from boredom. 

Yes. 

Bad things come from boredom too, like this podcast? 

13th of September 2006, we're heading out to space. Outer space. 

The final frontier, apparently. 

We have the naming. Now, this is a planet that was discovered a few years ago in the early 2000s, a few years ago in T-minus 20 years. So like 2002, 2003, something like that. And we spoke about it at the time, but at that stage, it didn't have a name. So is this like a bunch of numbers and some letters? 

Yes. So does this planet have like hippie dippie parents where they're like, oh, we're not going to give it a birthday. We're just going to give it a naming day. 

Maybe, And we're not going to name it straight away. We'll just see what it grows into. 

Yeah, oh, how original. 

And this planet grew into Eris. 

Eris, Eris, Eris. Depends on which side of the, which hemisphere you're from, I don't know. Yeah, Eris, Eris. But that was the big thing. We spoke about this last year, right? This was the big object. 

It was a few years ago. 

Beyond Pluto. No, it was 2005. 

Oh gosh. 

So a year ago. I know it's flown by. 

Not really. Yeah, this is when they called Xena after the TV Warrior print. That was like a placeholder name. 

Yes, and it's a problem because it was a dwarf planet, but it was larger than Pluto, which meant that there was a dilemma, a controversial dilemma. And as a consequence, Pluto gets demoted. 

Yes, because of this planet. 

To dwarf planet because Eris is bigger. So 13th of September 2006 is when it all happened. The International Astronomical Union. Isn't that a great name? Wouldn't you love to be a member of that? I don't know what the f*** they do, but I like the idea of saying I'm astronomical Carrie member of the International Astronomical Union. 

That's probably the biggest union that ever unions. 

It's pretty big. 

If it's international and astronomical. That's a big union. 

That's big. They named it. They named the object. Fair enough. 

They can name any, they can rename me if they like. That's how much power they are. 

That's the power that is wielded at the hands of the International Astronomical Union. Yeah. They officially named the planet Eris. Eris Eris. 

After the Greek goddess of discord and strife. 

Which is, I think Pluto would have found that quite appropriate. 

And the moon, it had a moon, and they called it Dysnomia, which is the goddess of lawlessness. Now, do you get the reference here? The goddess of lawlessness. When it was originally named. 

Xena. Lucy Lawless. 

Yes. Oh, look at that. Not only astronomical and international, but also quite humorous. 

Yeah, finger on the pulse. Yeah, I like that. one. That is very clever. Nice little Easter egg there. Very much so. And of course, the whole thing about discord, strife, lawlessness, disruption, very much a cheeky acknowledgement, I think, to the argument that. 

The outing of old made Pluto. 

Amongst the members of the International Astronomical Union and their detractors. Yes. Yeah. I don't know that they had detractors. I'm just trying to sound intelligent to you. But I think a lot of people at the time were a little bit upset because they liked Xena. They were very happy with that original name. 

Yeah, and I think it was actually one of the astronomers. It was the guy that saw it. 

Yeah. 

It was his daughter. She liked the show. 

Yeah, so then, but then it's like dysnomia, goddess of lawlessness with the lawless joke. You know, when they're all upset that they've changed it from Xena to Eris and then they put that little lawless thing in. It's like, are you having a go? Are you having a go? International Astronomical Union? Is that what you're doing? Poking the bear? Trying to rub people's noses in it? It's a little bit, it's just, I don't know, there's a little bit of mean-spiritedness behind it. I'm making things up. I'm speculating. I'm trying to create controversy where it doesn't exist. 

I love the fact that, you know, this isn't even one of the planets that is on the chart at school or one that you hang from the roof. Mercury Venus. 

Not on our charts. 

Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto. Now no longer Pluto. 

Eris goes in the end. It's not even there. 

Oh no. Yet it has all these songs about it and I think that's wonderful. 

Look, who would have thunk that the International Astronomical Union were party animals? Well, they didn't, okay, they didn't come up with the songs, but what there is, there's a whole world of musical Yes. That exists beyond the stars. 

Just about this dwarf planet. 

Here's a sample. 

Eros, you're a dwarf. Named for the great goddess of discord. My name is Eres, I am a dwarf planet. The furthest dwarf from the sun the humans found yet. 

Let's have a talk, Pluto. We know you've been feeling blue. They changed your class, so you go blame it on the IAU. Now you're a dwarf planet, and you're not thrilled it's plain to see. But if you look at what makes a planet great, the dwarfs have two out of three. You orbit a star, and your star is called the sun. You have enough gravity to make you round, but you're missing one. Do you clear your surroundings? Dwarf planets don't clear their neighborhood. They don't have enough mass, but join the class. If you don't know their names, you should. Ceres, Make, Make, Aumea, Eris, Pluto. Ceres, Make, Make, Aumea, Eris, Pluto. 

Isn't that a banger? 

I like that one for all the dwarf planets. 

But the last one is a banger. 

Yeah, that is good. 

And it tells the whole story. 

Yeah. 

And it helps you remember things. So it's very educational. And it even name drops the International Astronomical. 

Union, which I thought was pretty good. That was a good little dig there. Yes, I love that. I love that planet is so well known that it has musical tributes. 

Yeah, it was like Jack Johnson started, you know, bought a telescope. We got to mess around with the astronomical community a little bit the other day actually. 

Why aren't they passionate? 

Well, because I love it. Where we're based here in Canberra, there's Mount Stromlo Observatory, which is wonderful. It's a wonderful place. I mean, you can mountain bike up and down Mount Stromlo during the day. If you ever come down to Canberra, get amongst it. Mountain biking at Mount Stromlo, fantastic. Even with that, you don't even need to ride your bike to the top of the hill. You can just put it on a bus and they drive it up there. Then you can ride back down. And when you get up to the top of the hill, there is Mount Stromlo. Observatory. So we went there the other night in a freezing cold. 

Had a special night. Yes. 

One week in August. 

Yes. Where you could just go and all the volunteers brought their telescopes and they just let you look in them, which very kind. They were very kind and very generous. 

The gear. Serious. Wow. Oh my gosh. 

I liked the trivia guy. He was incredible. They put a big trivia up on the screen, which was projected onto the what are those things called the dome. The dome. 

Yeah, that was good. While we were waiting for a look in one of the many telescopes that we were queuing up for. 

Being quizzed on the one, what was that? The big telescope starts with them. 

Magellan. 

Magellan. 

Magellan telescope. 

They're asking us about the mirrors. Yes, I have no idea. But that was fun. It was a bit of fun. And he was very humorous. I thought he was great. 

And I did walk away from it a little smarter. So if you're into astronomy, mate. Mount Stromo was the place to go. They know how to party up there. 

Yes, they love Eros. I reckon they've probably got a tribute song to Eros as well. 

I was fascinated. I've never looked through a telescope at a nebula or a star or a planet before. That was a first for me. 

Was it? 

And I found it very interesting. I found looking through the lens of a telescope. 

Work with my **** eyes. I didn't really see much. 

I feel like I should have probably wore my glasses, which I never wear, which is problematic. I don't need them for driving though, so relax everybody. But yeah, and so I found that really hard. But now they've got these things where they have like these capture cards connected to the telescope, which is connected to an iPad. And they can look. 

Yeah, I was waiting to look in that guy's, I was like, where do I put my eye? And he's like, no, it's on the iPad. I was like, what? 

I've got to look into something. 

How does this work? 

Golden opportunity missed because it was only a few weeks ago. We could have, I think we, I feel like if you'd have gone into one of those sort of sessions, I don't know. I think if you'd have worn an Eris t-shirt or something, as opposed to a, I think that it could have been on. I think it could have been on for young and old. People would have been throwing down. 

Yeah. 

Because it's that kind of debate. 

Yeah, I'd say so. 

The Eris Pluto thing is that kind of debate. And listening to the passion that these people were discussing astronomy about. With, I don't even know. I dare say that... 

Team Pluto. 

For me. 

For them. For them. 

No, I think it was actually a mixed bag. I think there were a few rabble rousers in there. I think there were a few areas. I've been a healthy debate. 

Yeah. 

And well, this is the thing. This is where the lines get blurred. And I just feel like, you know, if we had a state a bit later. You could have started some ****. I think there would have been some glasses. Over to sport. Mel's over there at the sport desk being the sport aficionado that she is. Mel, give us some sport. 

Sure. 10th of September 2006. Formula One's greatest winner. A shock, stunning announcement that nobody believed would stick. 

From 1 Michael Schumacher. 

To make it short in a way, he's going to be my last Monza race I'm going to do at the end of this year. I've decided together with the team that I'm going to retire from racing. It has been an exceptional, really exceptional time what motorsport in more than 30 years has given to me. I really loved every single moment of the good and the bad ones. Those ones make life so special. particular I should thank my family, starting with obviously my dad, my passed away mum and obviously my wife and my kids who at all time supported at what I was doing. 

I love the poise and the composure. I mean, this is a guy that races hundreds of kilometres an hour. And just the calmness and composure when he speaks. I find there's something very soothing about Michael Schumacher. I think that if the calm app had existed in Schumacher's time, I think, and they have got Schumacher onto the calm app, I think. 

He would be significantly more chill than what you are. 

Easily one of the top five voices to download on the calm app to read your bedtime stories. Schumacher. Absolutely. 

He dominated Formula One with Ferrari throughout the early 2000s. But by 2006, Fernando Alonso and Renault had broken Ferrari's reign. Schumacher was still fighting for an 8th world championship. And then after winning that Grand Prix at Monza there, that's where he was. Yeah, he's like, no, that's it, I'm out at the end of the season, that's it. And Ferrari even confirmed that Kimi Raikkonen would replace him. So he ends his career with 91 race wins and seven world titles. 

That's pretty good. 

Narrowly misses an 8th championship after late season mechanical issues. But here's the thing. He came back. 

He did. He retired twice. 

Gotcha. 

Look, it happens. 

Joke's on joke's on you. I'm back. I think he came back in 2010 with a new Mercedes team, but then retires again in 2012. 

And then of course, unfortunately, which is so sad. There's the skiing accident in 2013. 

So yeah, that was a year after he retired. 

And I think we've spoken a little bit, well, not about the skiing accident, we've spoken about Schumacher in that context before. His family have really kept his medical condition very private and good on him. Good on him. It's nobody else's business really. And it's also interesting though, since 2007 and since Schumacher kind of left the scene, Ferrari hasn't won a driver's championship. 

Haven't they? 

No. So, and he's just such an influence, like he's, I mean, is he the goat? He'd be up there. 

I feel like he is. I feel like he is. 

Schumacher, Senna, these guys are legends, you know. And he's definitely, I think, yeah, I'd say Schumacher's probably QB1 for Formula One. 

Do you think Formula One is like, more popular or more, I don't know, more mainstream today than what it used to be? Or is it just that we've been exposed to it a bit more ourselves? 

I think we've been more exposed to it because our son's really interested in it. But I also think it's a lot more accessible. 

I feel like it is. 

And I think it's it doesn't because it's quite an elite sport. It's an expensive sport. But what I love about the like, I love Drive to Survive. I think that's a fantastic show. And I find that actually even more exciting than the races. But I've After watching Drive to Survive and understanding more about what happens around the track, I've actually found the races to be quite exciting. 

Yeah, because you know them and you're worried about them. You're worried about them stacking it because you've come to know them. And the other thing too is They all seem like really nice guys. 

To an extent, they've quite ego. 

Some of them have ego, but they're all still, I don't know, there's just something really likable about all of them. 

Yeah, there are some characters there. Like if you look at some of the modern ones, like I really like Lewis Hamilton. 

Yeah, he's great. 

In spite of the Kardashian connection. 

Well, I think that's the other thing too. The fact that he's going steady with her has probably brought a whole new audience to Formula One as well. 

I really like Fernando Alonso. 

Oh, I love it. 

Because he's the bad guy and he's the oldest guy in the competition. Yeah, Oscar Piastri. I mean, everyone likes him because he's Australian. I'm not a huge fan of Oscars. 

He does. a few crash outs. Yeah, he's great. Not actually crash, like a few little tent. 

He's got a bit of an attitude, and it's the same with Max Verstappen. It's always seems to be the guys that are doing well that end up being the villains in Formula One. And Schumacher was probably no different back in his day, although I just don't think anyone could really hold a candle to him. I like Yuki. 

I like Yuki. 

Yuki. Yuki Snow. 

Yeah, always swearing. 

Yes. 

There was so many beats whenever they had him on the mic. 

They are great characters. It is a great show. And you know, they'd be nothing without people like Schumacher. I think what I am what I'm a little bit concerned about though is 'cause now we're riffing and we're talking about Formula One and stuff, and I'm not really sure about the fan base. we're kind of on the fridge. Our son is die hard, died in the wool Formula One fan. Well, I'm not really sure about the fan base. And last time we spoke about cyclists, we got comments. 

Oh, yes, we did. 

So I just don't want to, I don't, I feel like Formula One fans are probably cyclists with more money. So I don't want to **** them off. As for music and pop music fans, I'll **** them off all day, every day. Don't worry about that. It's a music segment. 

Yes, in Australia, still, I wish I was a punk rocker. 

Oh, I wish I was a punk rocker with flowers in my hair. In 70s, 70s, 60s, 9 revolutions in the air. I was born too late into a world that doesn't care. Oh, I wish I was a punk rocker with flowers in my hair. 

And Justin Timberlake's sexy back is back at #1 in the UK. 

Apparently not. 

And the top five over in the US. 

When you're gonna give it up to me When you're gonna give it up to me How come every time you come around my London, London Bridge Wanna go down like I'm bringing sexy back The mother boys don't know how to act I think it's special what's behind your back. So I'm turning around and I'll pick up the slack. 

Yeah. 

New #1. New #1. Yes. 

In the US charts. 

Sexy back. 

The spies. Remember the spies? 

The video copies. Spies. Was that that one? That was the spy one, the sexy back. And then the one goes around. 

Yeah, the spy. 

Yeah, the other one. 

#2, London Bridge, #3, Sean Paul, give it up to me. Crazy, #4, Buttons, #5. 

Buttons hanging in there. Buttons the cat. 

So interesting, Sexy Back is now at #1 in the US. This is also the same week that he releases his album, his second solo album. Future Six Love Sounds, I believe it was called, something like that. 

Yes. 

Now, girl, I remember everything that you claimed. You said that you were moving on now, maybe I should do the same. Maybe I should do? 

That goes around, comes around. 

Allegedly about Britney. 

Yes, and everyone was like, oh, it's about Britney. And then Q Popular culture media just teeing off and victimizing Britney Spears because Justin Timberlake wrote a song. That makes sense. 

Yes. So the second his second solo album, producer Timberland, who was yelling all over his sexy back. 

Not the boots, the producer. Yep. 

I know every time I see his name, I think of the boots. 

The boots, yeah. 

They were popular when I was in college. 

Timberlands. 

Yeah. But they're dirty easily because they're like yellow. 

Timberlake. All they needed is a timber sky. 

Yes, very, very futuristic was the sound of the album. 

They could get a couple of escorts in there, be Timbuktu. 

What happened there? 

Well, Will.i.am also helped produce the album. 

Sorry, I got distracted. 

Debuted at #1. 

Will.i.am had something to do with it, did he? 

Yeah, he did, he did. And yeah, helped to find the sound of late 2000s pop. They actually weren't going to bring out Sexy Back. 

As the lead single. 

Yeah, there was. 

And lo and behold, here it is at #1. 

They weren't going to because people were worried. They thought that they wouldn't accept Justin rapping over such an unusual beat. 

He was rapping? Is that what he was doing? 

That's what they said. Oh. It's an unusual beat. Justin's rapping. I don't know how this is going to go down. 

And then it went to #1. 

Yeah, then they released it. I was like, okay, all right, we'll eat our words. 

Yes, and they did. 

Yeah, so that was the album. And I think this is where, because I think we had Justified, obviously, and people liked that. was good. 

Yeah. 

But I think this is where it was like, okay, NSYNC is actually, actually over. Because he's not a one hit wonder now. He's got the second album out. 

He's a man now. He's a man. He's not in a boy band. You can't be in a boy band when you're a man. 

You can't. 

He's doing future sexy love sounds. He's wearing suits. 

He's being a spy. 

He's being a spy in video clips. He's writing revenge songs. Yeah, he's a man. 

But I think this is where it gets interesting, though, because he's become a bit more complicated over the years, because now we're looking back over the Super Bowl incident, for example, and the fact that nothing happened to him and Janet's career was basically over. We're like, actually, in hindsight, that's a bit crap. Brittany brings out the book and we're like, oh, is that how he spoke to Genuine? 

He was very young. He's a very young guy who had the entire world at his feet. 

The interviews that he gave after they broke him. 

Look, I know I'm not making excuses for him. I'm not making excuses for him. But what I am saying is he's a very young guy who's had the entire world at his feet. Nobody is saying no to Justin Timberlake. 

Are you on Timberlake? 

Not at all. But nobody, nobody is saying no to Justin Timberlake in 2006. He's getting away with a lot of stuff, potentially. Or he has the potential to get away with it. 

Like I said last week, even the DUI that was only a couple of years ago, we were fine with that. Nobody seemed to care. Oh, well. 

That's, I mean, the DUI is his fault, but the way that story is handled is completely out of his control. 

Yeah, but I think we're just, I don't know, he just always seems to just be always pretty clean. Teflon timberlake. 

Nothing sticks to Teflon timberlake. Teflon Timberlake. Don't heat him up in the kitchen. If you've got birds, you'll kill them. You can't use Teflon cookware around budgies. They die. 

Yeah, I didn't know that. 

Fumes kill them. 

And I didn't find that out the hard way. Let me just say, I didn't know. I just turned, I was like, oh, that's interesting, didn't I? 

It's like, oh, were you in a coal mine or did somebody just cook with Teflon? Sorry, let's go to the box office. Let's go to the movies. Let's go to the movies because we have this new film at the, was this number one in the US? Yes, The Covenant. 

They are the descendants of a secret legacy. Fons of Ipswich. Granted a world of untold power. But this Friday... 

Have you met Chase? 

Hey. He just transferred in. Every power... What's happening to us? Comes with a price. What do you want your power? They're dead. Covenant. Join the Covenant. MySpace.com. 

Yeah, that's how old that was. Join the Covenant on MySpace. 

Must have had a MySpace skin. Remember when you get the movie skins on your MySpace? 

This had a very young Sebastian Stan in it, this film. Who's that? Sebastian Stan is Bucky Barnes in Captain America: The Winter Soldier. He played Tommy Lee in the Pam and Tommy TV series, Sebastian Stan. I watched a movie that he was in the other day called Fresh, where he was capturing people and harvesting them for food. It was an interesting movie. It was on Disney too. Get that up you Mickey. Yeah, so the Covenant, okay, this movie. I conscientiously objected to this film. Did I even say that correctly? I think so. We'll leave it. I won't edit it out and we will press on. So this movie, I conscientiously objected to this film because this was about, okay, this is about witches, right? This is about the Salem, Salem witch families with supernatural powers. So think about, you know, The Craft. The Craft is a really big film amongst Goths, you know, with Neve Campbell and Fairuza is a. 

Like witches? 

Yeah, it's like it's a bit more witchy. It's a little bit, it's a little bit, it's got a veneer on it that's a little bit sort of sugar-coated. Sexy witch. Yeah, and it's a little bit. 

Not like your old witches with the mole hairs. 

No. Good-looking witches. We're like our witches that are like summoning demons and spitting up green vomit and blood all over paper. 

With the crooked fingers and the long nails and claws. 

I have Newton. 

Yeah, missing an eye too. 

So these witches, these witches. These are hot ones. These are the Abercrombie and Fitch of ******* witches. It's Abercrombie and Witch. That's what it is. Abercrombie and Witch. It's so ****. Witches in low rise genes. 

So. 

It's about 14 age descendants of Salem witch families with supernatural powers. Stephen Strait, Sebastian Stan, Taylor Kitts, Toby Hemingway and Chase Crawford, whoever I loved. And the critics thought it was *** **** and they were correct. But it still debuts at #1 in the US box office because Abercrombie and Witch. Like it's just, it's like the OC. 

I think there was a lot of shirtless supernatural stuff happening. 

It's like the OC with supernatural stuff. And look, as I've said before, anything that kind of grooms young people and provides I am all for. Not yakult. I know it sounded like I was talking about a probiotic drink. Also important as you age. 

Absolutely. 

You've got to get your probiotics in, really help your digestion. For when you're doing spells. 

Not the yakult. 

The occult. The occult. It's fine by me. So the critics hated it, but the Gen Z and millennials thought it was great. They thought it was a guilty pleasure. And look, I feel like I want to watch it again, but I want to hate watch it. It's one of those movies I was looking at the trailer and I'm like, I remember this film. And I hated it. And now I feel like I want to hate watch it all over again. 

With a glass of your coat. 

I think it's one of those movies that could be hate watched live on the internet with a bunch of people just criticizing it. Yeah, be awesome. Be awesome. It's, and it is like a before they were famous showcase for all those young actors, like we were saying. Shirtless supernatural boys. I mean, this is the gateway to bad things, like the Vampire Diaries, like Twilight. Like this is taking the monsters and the folklore and the gore and the horror that we know and love. And it is seriously putting a polo shirt and a pair of chinos on it. And I'm not okay with it. 

We had a new number one here in Australia as well. John Tucker must die. 

This story is about John Tucker. He is the man, captain of the basketball team. He lost it to the homecoming queen and the prom queen at the same time. He's got two girlfriends. Whoa, scratch that. Three girlfriends? He's mine. Stay away from him. I am dating John Tucker. This guy is cheating on all of you. Him, you're beating each other? We have something in common. We all want to kill John Tucker. What are you girls up to? Destroying a man. All right, play nice girls. If we combine all of us, we can make him fall in love with you and we'll yank it all out from under him. Who's the new cheerleader? She's not into high school boys. 

And so another teen movie, but over this side of the pond. And this is the difference. Like you can kind of pull this off. I don't mind some of these teen movies. I mean, I can't, it's not, I don't know, I'm not into some of the culture and stuff, but if it's a good story and it captures that, this is a nice little time capsule, this one, John Tucker Must Die. It's a good nostalgia movie. Four girls realize they're all dating the same guy and they decide that revenge is going to be a team sport and Yeah. 

Stars Jesse Metcalfe as John Tucker. He was the, was he the gardener in Desperate Housewives? I was having it off with, was it Gabrielle? Oh, Cenise. 

I'm thinking of Gary Sinise. 

I love your smile. 

No, I'm thinking of Gary Sinise, who played Lieutenant Dan in Forrest Gump. Of course, Lieutenant Dan. 

Same thing, so similar. 

Your wife is screwing the gun. 

Yeah, he was in it. 

Yes. 

Brittany Snow. I don't know who Brittany Snow is, but I heard someone talk about Brittany Snow today, actually. I heard Brittany Snow's name referenced with us some series that someone was watching. Who was talking about that? I don't know. Anyway. 

Hold, please call her. She was in Pitch Perfect. She was in The Beast in Me. She's in The Pacifier. 

With The Beast in Me is what they were talking about. 

She's in that movie X with The Beast in Me. 

Someone was talking about that. 

Yeah. 

What's that? What's that about The Beast in Me? 

I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. 

Okay. 

I think it's a new thriller series or something. I haven't got to it yet. 

Well, she's good. She's good in that. She's also in this box office hit, I should say. And like you said, it's got that nostalgia. Mall fashion flip phones, bit of punk music happening in the background. But still very pre-social media. Had that guy that was in Gossip Girl that then did the show You. 

Yeah, it's just, I mean, it's apples and oranges compared to the Covenant. 

Was in it. 

Ashante was in it. 

Yes. 

Was she? 

Was, yes. 

I don't remember. 

She was one of the girlfriends. Not one of the four that want to kill him. She's just one of the many girlfriends. 

Got it. It's not as classic a film as what Clueless is, but it's kind of, it is, I think, it still taps that nostalgia vein. 

Yeah. 

Now, let's make the leap back into TV, into reality TV. America's most famous bounty hunter, made famous by reality TV, Dog the Bounty Hunter. Ozzy Osbourne did the theme song to Dog the Bounty Hunter. 

Did he? I didn't know that. 

I don't think he worked too hard on it. It's not a great tune. But he is there. Dog the Bounty Hunter at the time was probably one of cable TV's biggest reality TV stars. 

We enjoyed it. 

The mullet. 

We watched it. 

The wraparound sunglasses, the bulletproof vests, the wife, Beth on Dispatch. 

They always did a prayer, remember? They'd always stand around holding hands and do a prayer. And it was a point at the end or before they went in. I don't know, there was a prayer. 

But it was a really fine line, I think. Because I at first was slightly confused. I wasn't even sure if Dog the Bounty Hunter was somebody who was involved in law enforcement or an actual criminal. And it was maybe it was the look. Maybe I shouldn't have judged a book by, me of all people should not have judged a book by its cover. But on the 14th of September, it seems some other people judge that book by the cover as well. And Dog, Duane Dog Chapman, the bounty hunter, is arrested by US marshals in Hawaii. Oh, the irony. 

And the federal marshals came to our residence, my son, my brother, and of course, I and Bess, and arrested me for kidnapping, a felony, and a conspiracy, another felony. Which had been dropped. We were never charged with any felonies in Mexico ever. We were charged with a minor crime called deprivation of liberty. All of a sudden, three years go by and blam, they hit us with, you know, now you're being charged with kidnapping and conspiracy. 

I mean, deprivation of liberty, tapping, tomato, tomato. it's kind of the same thing. 

Yeah, I don't really even understand. So a bounty hunter is someone who catches the baddies. But they're not supposed to, isn't it illegal or is it legal? 

I don't understand. We don't have them here. But bounty hunters over in the States, I guess, are a thing. And I believe that they get paid money to find the baddies. They catch people who have skipped bail. They go after people who've skipped bail and then they get the money for capturing them. That's how I think it works. 

I think it's legal in some states, but not all of them, I think, too. And I think you used to run into a bit of trouble with that. as well. So he was arrested and it was in relation to an incident in 2003 where he captured convicted ****** Andrew Luster in Mexico. 

Now the interesting thing about Andrew Luster is he had a pretty solid rap sheet. He was a bad man. 

And also I think he was the Max Factor Cosmetics air. 

Yes. So not only was a bad man, but a bad nepo baby. 

Bad rich man. 

Yeah. And so, and I think, I don't know if they caught him on the show. I can't remember. But in that interview, that grab that I played, I didn't have it in full, but he dog mentions Andrew Luster extensively throughout that interview. And I think he's doing it because he's probably been advised by his legal team very clear his motivations as to why he was going after that guy. 

Yes, and I think they argued that he'd illegally kidnapped him. Yeah. 

Deprivation of Liberty, I think you'll find. 

But yeah, it was an interesting show because it blurred the line between this celebrity and law enforcement very, very early 2000s. I don't think you could get away with a show like that. Like dog. 

No, probably not. 

But at the time it was great. I love your family. 

I have seen a lot of copycat bounty hunting type videos on TikTok. So once you, yeah, so once you start like the algo, the algo starts pushing dog, or if you start, if you search for dog, then the algo will start pushing other bounty hunters. 

Other bounty. Oh, okay. 

If you like that, you'll love this. 

He's some more bounty hunting. 

Yeah, I'm like, no, I'm just doing research for the show, I swear. 

He actually did serve prison time before He was a bounty hunter, convicted over his role in a fatal shooting during a drug deal. But he did say that prison changed his life, changed his life around, turned his life around, turned his life around, then decided to catch the baddies himself. 

He became huge in reality TV services. 

Captured more than 6,000 fugitives, according to him. 

Yeah, now in 2007, though, I think you might remember this. Remember they had the leaked phone call where he was using a lot of racial slurs. 

Yes, So he kind of. 

Got, and that's kind of the first example of a lot of those things that we see quite often nowadays where people had to walk that back. He reckons he's captured more than 6,000 fugitives, which you cannot independently verify. That's like, you know, Gene Simmons talking about his conquest. Like, I can't, verify that, apparently very religious, we, I think in 20 twenty-six now. I don't know what he's doing now. I think he's retired. But Beth, Beth is dead. 

She passed away from cancer in 2019. She was a fan favorite. Everyone loved Beth. 

Yeah, because she was such a **** ***. And I think, you know, she kept dog honest. She kept him honest. And there was an endearing quality to their relationship. 

Yes. 

But it was a pretty trashy show. I mean, you know. All right, quick show is a good show. It is time to wrap it up. It is the Hatches, Matches and Dispatches segment. I'm still reeling from last week's Dispatches, which we didn't actually use as Dispatches in the same, so we're just going to try and just... Keep it at a birthday. Yes. A celebrity having a birthday said this. 

Really just ultimately play with you what you love you know don't ever don't ever write music or anything to you know quote unquote make it or you know I want to be rich I want to be famous it's like ultimately that's poisoning the well you know and nothing could come could come from that and people will smell that a mile away. 

There never a more truer word spoken by 1 Mikey Way. What's A Mikey Way? Well, it's the sweet you can eat between meals without ruining your appetite. No, Mikey Way, not Milky Way. Mikey Way, bass player, founding member of My Chemical Gromance, and younger brother of frontman Gerard Way. Great song. And teenagers do scare the living **** out of me. The older I get, the more frightened of them I am. 

Yes, and I don't even know what they're saying, but I'm still scared. 

And if I do try and correct them and they hit me with a witty comeback, I've got nothing. I just sit there. And I just think, who am I? What have I become? Because I can't match which with a teenager. They are terrifying. They are terrifying. My Chemical Romance, loved by teenagers. I actually like My Chemical Romance as well. 

I don't mind them either. And I love this with Mikey. He used to work at Barnes and Noble bookstore. And he spotted Irvine Welch's book, Ecstasy, the Three Tales of a Chemical Romance. And he then he was the one that named the band because he liked the phrase Chemical Romance from when he was shelving, shelving the books and went, oh, that's a good name and chucked a mind in front of it to make it a little bit more personal. I think that's wonderful. 

The books. Yes. And you know, while he was doing that, wasn't actually learning the bass. Wasn't actually learning the bass. Like I'll start a band, we'll call it this. Wasn't actually learning the bass. 

Very little experience. 

He didn't know how to play before he joined My Chemical Romance and he learned on the job. which I think is great. I think, I mean, when you go on for a gig, there's nothing better than getting that practical experience. I mean, there's a little bit of nepotism there because his younger brother, Gerard, who's also a founding member of the band. But it's, you know, it's like, I just, I like this guy's vibe. I know he hasn't got any experience, but I like the vibe. I like what he's bringing. 

Maybe he lied. Maybe he lied on his resume and said he had, you know, like 10 years bass playing under his belt and he'd written such bangers as. 

I do think having to figure it out. He's probably going to that argument up a little bit. 

Well, I don't think his older brother should have been on the panel. Maybe he wasn't because maybe it's like that's his brother. So they had the other guys on the panel and the other guys didn't know. Conflict of interest. So maybe he had lied on his resume. What's his name? Mikey. 

Mikey who? Mikey Way. Oh, that's funny. We've got a singer named Gerard. Gerard Way. Never seen him before in my life. Can you play the bass? No, you're hired. You can learn as you go. 

I'll learn. I'll learn. Also, did you know that they're cousins with Joe Rogan? 

No. 

They're apparently cousins with Joe Rogan. 

Really. 

The way boys. 

Jamie, can you just bring that up for a second? No, not like that, Jamie. Wow, I didn't know that. There you go. That's very interesting. Do you know the Black Parade is probably the I think the magnum opus for My Chemical Romance as far as I'm concerned. He nearly quit during that. They were recording at the Haunted Paramore Mansion. I believe that's in Hollywood. And he struggled with a lot of anxiety and depression and alcoholism at the time. It's funny, I think, too, with a lot of musicians and creatives. A lot of their best material is born from when they are in a pretty bad way. You know, there's some really good art that's created out of suffering. or under sufferance. And I think that's the case with the Black Parade. He thought he was going to leave the band or planet Earth altogether, he said. And then he went and got help. And thank goodness that he did, because he's got one brother, fellow musician Gerard. He's got a cousin, which is Joe Rogan. And it's his birthday this week. Happy birthday, Mikey Way. That is the end of the show. We are about to head on our way somewhere, but not here, out of the podcast studio. There are things happening next week though, Mel. Yes, no, maybe. Could it be a surprise? 

Well, you keep talking while I'm scrolling. 

Oh, yeah. Well, this is the thing. You're never going to get bored if you keep scrolling, are you? 

You're just going to be... look, we've got some album releases. We've got something from Apple. Maybe a book. Or that might be the next week. I can't really tell because I haven't highlighted the cells correctly. But there's things. There's things. 

There's things. It's delightfully ambiguous and it'll be a surprise. So we will see you next week. Come and see us on the socials. In the meantime, we might drop some hints as to what's going to be in next week's show. And you can interact with us. Send us a boom. Do whatever you like. Just come and say g'day, slide into the DMs, search for T-Mart. Minus 20 podcast on Facebook, Instagram, YouTube. That is it for this week. We appreciate you immensely. Thank you so much for listening and we'll see you next week. 

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